ELO Heaven Exists? | OW2 Hot Takes #29
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Hot Take: They should swap the functionality of Mauga’s charge and Rein’s charge, for both gameplay and lore reasons.
It makes far more sense for Rein’s charge to function like Mauga’s currently does. A huge, lumbering man in armor should be unstoppable and immune to CC. Not to mention the fire effect makes sense with that rocket booster on his armor, and he should be bowling people out of the way. Plus, that heavy stomp already acts like a miniature earth shatter which is more cohesion with his kit.
Mauga on the other hand can struggle in those close-up engagements with small hitbox heroes, and having the ability to pin one and do massive damage would help him greatly. Plus, it kind of fits that rugby play of stuffing another player into the wall. And, Mauga’s whole identity as a “berserker” should have a weakness to CC.
I imagine mauga just sliding across the battlefield
Good idea
Cold take tbh we all know the devs are clueless
Hot take: I think they should add an on screen warning symbol for mei’s ult, like they have for dva’s and tracer’s. If Cassidy can glow like a lighthouse mei and have a small on screen indicator.
Cold Take: Venture is so annoying because they were designed with 250hp heroes in mind. Think about it. If it was season 8, would they release a dps that does 80dmg per shot, 70dmg melee, 110dmg on one ability and 100dmg on the other while getting shields? Of course not. That would be crazy OP with 200hp heroes. Everyone else was designed to kill 200hp heroes and after the health increase has relatively lower damage, but venture was designed for 250hp which is why fighting them makes you feel exactly as squishy as you were in S8 and before.
Hot take: Elo hell exists and all the streamers saying it doesn't are ignorant. Bougr got hardstuck in diamond as lifeweaver and only eventually got to GM when switching accounts and with less overall matches
The thing people forget is that elo hell exists for some heroes like lifeweaver, but doesn't for others like sojourn.
or maybe lifeweaver just sucks ass and shouldn't be used as an example for ranked as a whole
@@maxchess6734 good point
Elo hell is real and so is heaven. Both work about the same just in reverse. Heaven is when you have been in your desired rank so long it doesn’t let you rank down and hell is when it decides you no longer can rank up. I burn through accounts especially when deciding I want one trick a new hero. I use on account to learn it in ranked and then when it gets stuck lower than I want I redo placements having learned the hero and get placed higher and can begin climbing normally
if you onetrick you deserve not to rank up
Hot Take: Quick Play is not only an awful place to practice, but it's easily the worst part of Overwatch/ Overwatch 2 as a game overall.
I've been playing since release in 2016, and didn't actually go explore with other modes like Arcade and Comp until late Overwatch 1/ Overwatch 2.
As a result of that I absolutely hated playing this game but loved everything else about it (outside of not feeling like I had a character who fit my playstyle).
But QP is literally the most asinine mixture of low ELO players pretending to be sweats in a game mode that literally doesn't matter in any capacity, as they attempt to rob any amount of fun from other players by tossing slurs in chat when they're losing, demanding character swaps or pockets, and making either their own team or the enemy team lose out on joy by being "scoreboard sallies" as KarQ so eloquently puts it.
As a result it has more toxicity than comp, and less fun than say doing Elims in Arcade or Events like mirrorwatch.
The only time when I feel QP is actually as much or more fun than Comp or Arcade is when HACKED weekends happen or the april fools event ... wait the april fools event was also in arcade, nevermind. 💀
My qp experience is different, but I respect for actually giving a hot take lol
Hot take: parents deserve to play quick play too. Arcade has different game modes and are all open queue, which many people do not want to play. Instead of leaver penalties in QP, just make an unranked comp mode with penalties.
Or put leavers in a separate leaver queue. Before the ban system half of my matches were as backfill. Only because I can't backfill twice in a row. It is so much better since the ban system was introduced.
Yes!!! I try my best to play quick play when I’m certain my kids won’t need me but life happens! Does blizzard want me spending money on this game or not??
I won't say they don't deserve to play, but why should the rest of the game have to suffer if someone leaves mid game? If you have one leaver, you're likely to cycle through around 3 players until someone sticks and picks a hero. Just because it's not ranked, doesn't mean that the people playing the game done deserve a good playing experience too. Back filling into a lost game with less than a minute left is so annoying.
@@sayyestosporks I’d say parents leave way less than an angry childless gamer who rage quits games. I never quit games i want to play!
If you know you're gonna have to tend to a baby every 15 mins just don't play a multiplayer game 😂
Hot Take: Awarding “comp points” for Quick Play wins, even at a massively reduced rate like 3 per win, would improve comp matchmaking for low ranks because people wouldn’t feel like they had to play comp just for gold guns, and hopefully at least some of the people treat comp like QP already would just play QP instead.
But for this to work they’d also have to fix how comp points work *in* comp because it’s ridiculous that we went from 25 pts per win to 10 pts per win on too of removing end of season rank rewards. I know they’re trying to incentivize people to play more but it just feels BAD.
They were trying to get people to play MORE with that? I got a couple hundred comp points in ow1, thought about playing comp for the first time since ow2 launch to get a golden gun and when i saw that shit i just said nah im not playing that much comp
A win gives you 10 points immediately but also counts as 1/10 of the way to 100 points, so 20 points total. For the first time even losses progress towards the points. For the entirety of OW1 and first 3 seasons of OW2 it was no more than 15 points per win, aside from end-of-season rewards - which I agree should've been kept but just make it legacy points only, so people can actually get Jade/whatever other variants there'll be in the future AND Gold weapons, not choosing between one or the other.
@@lizabeth529 End-of-season rewards aside, in OW1 you needed 200 *wins* (15 points each) for a golden gun, which with a 50% winrate means 400 games. Now losses also progress you to the points, so the amount of *wins* needed varies depending on winrate, but with 50% you only need 260 *games* to get 3000 points.
@@Raksoforback ayo fr? didnt know about the 10 games thing maybe ill hop on comp
Oh my. "DPS have no utilities to help the team other than damage." The role is called Damage. They do Damage. Supporting the team is the Support's job.
Using that false logic, I guess supports should not have damage then eh?
@bobothebob4716 but support is a general term. If the role was called "healers" sure but it isn't. Support is anything from dmg, healing, or utility. It's an extremely general term
@@bobothebob4716 If "Its called Damage. They do Damage." is false logic to you, there isnt much helping you in the first place. Also imaging having a role doesnt do damage lol. Supports do (typically) less damage. Part of supporting is doing damage.
mei: am I a joke to you?
So we gonna ignore Sym's ult doing 0 DMG?
Saying 6v6 is more deathmatchy than 5v5 is a bananas statement 😂
Kinda depends on the comps and skill levels of the players tbh.
ELO heaven is a thing, it’s around GM2 and it becomes very hard to drop below GM5.
Hot Take: Let one of the DPS slots to be a flex role that allows them to switch between a regular DPS, and an open queue spec'd tank i.e less health. It allows for variability and can have some interesting team comps and might solve the whole 6v6 vs 5v5 as you can switch a a second tank as needed. ik queue times might be worse but gameplay might be better
I like this idea actually. I feel open queue with a 2 limit role lock could work too, so the team could decide which role they want one of. Solo tanking is just not it
you know what I might agree somewhat on elo heaven not the part when the guy was listening to podcast mid comp game lmao but if I play my comp games at early afternoon there would be chill people and less toxic teammates but the que times are fast then opposed to playing late night comp where everyone is tired and que times are long asf
I can’t really disagree with him though. I guess it’s personal preference but I play so much better when I’m listening to music & attempting to actually enjoy overwatch. Of course most of the time people aren’t in team chat so communication isn’t the issue
I learned it in ow 1: play ranked only from 4 pm to 10 pm on weekdays. Outside of that the awful/degenerate players are much common. Weekend is a coin flip, sometimes good sometimes awful.
Another Hot Take: (I'll try and keep the background in the read more section, But basically-)
Life Weaver is a more viable support than Mercy/ higher tier than her, and has a similar skill ceiling to Baptiste, but that skill ceiling doesn't manifest as DMG+HPS, it manifests as screwing over the enemy team + HPS.
Why I feel this way? I'm a Illari+Lifeweaver main. I play alot of Mercy, Kiriko, Ana, and sometimes Lucio whenever they're needed/ I used to main them before dropping them off my personal roster for any number of reasons (I still love Kiriko).
A good lifeweaver can keep your teammates from ever taking damage in the first place, can keep the enemy team from touching the objective(s), can create artificial choke points, can actually create some really stupid combo play with other teammates like Rein and Cassidy, cancel enemy ultimates and abilities (Bastion Barrage, Mercy Rez, Sigma Ult, etc etc), but above all else the thing that gives Life weaver that "Swing the game in your favor!" factor, is sheer control!
This came to me in a fit of concussed stupidity as most things in this game do😂, just a few minutes before writing this I was playing a wide match of comp, we had a tank who seemed half asleep or just incredibly new, they were playing horribly, running in on their own, and getting killed or leaving us vulnerable and spaceless so we could BE killed.
My 3 choices as Illari were either out aim and out damage the 4 people on the enemy team that were swarming us, try to out heal the incoming damage from the 4 enemies swarming us, or follow the tank and help them kill whoever they were chasing only to inevitably come back and find us outnumbered and out team dead (all of these end badly).
tl;dr changed to Life Weaver, and blocked *our* Tank from doing the same things over and over that were getting them killed, and gripped them back when they were running off on their own or when it was just a legit team fight and they were on the verge of dying.
Mercy hits CTRL-Z on someone dying, Lifeweaver makes sure the mistake doesn't happen in the first place, and in a game where enemy-uptime is so important I'd absolutely say Niran is better than Angela in this specific facet/ category!
Hot take: the scoreboard is ass because it doesnt even show score. Id would also be better if it showed more random information to the player but not the lobby, like turrents destroyed, ult kills, headshot kills, and so on.
Not something with a lot of impact but just something you can look at and see what (and how) you have been doing.
Mirrorwatch mercy but when she detonates your soul it speeds up your respawn timer by a percentage like 30% or something
Hot take: with the season 9 health buffs, it’d be better to revert Cassidy’s grenade back to flashbang because the insta-kill potential on a flashbanged target is much lower with higher health pools. Magnade feels bad to use and to get hit by. The range on flashbang makes the ability feel more balanced.
Hot take for a lifeweaver rework/ way to make him more in line with a dps style healer: allow him to use both hands at once. He can thorn volley with one hand while he charges heals in another! This would allow for an increased skill floor and ceiling and would also make him much more dynamic and feel better to play.
Hot take: as a mercy player reverting her movement nerfs or even a slightly increased healing for tanks might make her viable again but she’s so bad unless you have a goated dps
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Hot take: the terms "situational" and "niche" are used too often to downplay how bad characters are in a majority of situations. Yes, having a character be strong on certain maps and contexts, while not being as strong elsewhere is fine. However, when a hero is considered good ONLY because of strength on 1-3 maps, then there is an issue.
Take zen as an example with junkertown, havana, and circuit. While he doesn't have the most egregious disparity, his value gets so inflated by content creators saying "he's outclassed everywhere else but on these maps he dominates." It gives a false impression of his strength and allows people to overlook his issues bc he is so strong on three (3!) escort maps (note how it's never control, push, or flashpoint).
Hot Take:
Tanks that are weak to stuns should have a built in window of vulnerability to CC instead of always getting hard shut down when stunned.
Example:
For ball, make him immune to stuns when in ball form, and weak in tank form. This would actually fix Ball's issues IMO
Obviously balance around it so he isnt a nightmare to play against.
i don’t think the first guy was saying he wants flash bang back, i think it’s more of hindered is just as much of an issue, and it should be reworked in some way
Hot take. Sigma, Echo, and Zen float so they should not trigger Junkrat traps.
Koji pick my hot take.
Hot Take: Suzu is an unusually strong ability relative to its competitors like Immortality Field (IM). IM has a 25 sec cooldown where as Suzu has a 15 sec cooldown. IM only keeps players from falling below 20% HP meanwhile Suzu make player invincible, intangible, heals 80 HP, cleanses all debuffs for an addition 30 HP if the debuff is worse than a head cold. Suzu almost needs to be split into two abilities if it going to be balanced properly.
imo, venture was prob made with cd cycles of genji not doom and what they need are some qol changes such as no camera lock out on dash but also another escape tool to relieve the downtime like genji’s wall climb or dash reset just to cover that little bit missing in their kit or maybe 1 sec less on each cd. halving drill dash after burrow is just not enough.
I really like what you said about the product of overwatch being good. It really is a fantastic and fun experience and its a shame public perception of it isnt great
Hot take: Sombra should be removed from the game. She’s not OP but her counterplay is incredibly boring unless your team has incredible cooperation (which most don’t). She’s designed to prevent people from participating in the team fight, and it feels like the whole focus of the game becomes stopping her. Balanced character but bad for engaging gameplay, ball main bias though.
KarQ talking about a lassos, just gave me an idea for a hero that has a skill-shot chain ability that tethers them to an enemy for a couple seconds. Could be fun.
Hot Take: Balance is getting bad because developers are focused on giving characters “kill/sustain combos” vs moves that synergize with the game and lore
Honestly that's a great point, so many people feel like the teamwork factor has not been there for a while
KarQ should have said play oldschool RuneScape to the last guy. That is THE new father game.
Hot take: 6v6 was not the only reason for long queues in ow1 and i think people need to take other balance aspects when talking about 6v6 to 5v5.
Cold take among anybody with a brain. Probably is a hot take amongst ow players though
I love the “Don’t raise them to be a Brig main” advice so much XD
Hot take: what if they change hinder nade to an actual flash bang? It wouldn’t stop movement or be a stun so I don’t see why people would be too upset. It would only last for a second or so at most and give Cass an interesting dynamic in duels
That was an iteration while they reworked and they said it was not fun. The goal was to reduce the feeling of helplessness. Getting completely stunned or blinded is much more frustrating than a hinder nade that has bullshit target tracking.
It’s the same reason people hate invincibility support abilities. No one wants to fight against something that completely removes your ability to attack the enemy. If you can’t see your enemy, you’re just spraying and praying at that point, and this is not the game for that.
@4:06 not a hot take, but a dumb one. Almost all damage heroes DO have abilities that support the team: Dynamite, Mag nade, Echo ult, defelct, Sonic, junk trap, mei wall/slow/ice block stall, phara boop, disruption -zoning, heal station, hack, teleport/turrets, turret, wall hacks.
That was every hero except for bastion, reaper, venture and tracer. Bastion and Reaper only really have damage. And you could argue that even a Tracer who doesn't do good damage still contributes by making the enemy team always have to turn 90 degrees or 180 when attacked from behind, or force them to swap to something to counter the Tracer. Also I didn't include any ults in that list apart from echo's (but echo offers the most utility in the game).
We need damage taken and healing received on the scoreboard. Basically we need the custom scrim scoreboard.
Hot take: cas hinder is fine, he basically serves as a dps version of brig really good at protecting teammates from dive heroes, also that nade is the only we have to check high mobility heroes other than sleep dart only change I would like to see is so his nade doesn’t cancels jq’s ult rather than that I think people over exaggerate about the nade.
Hot Take: With the removal of the 2nd tank, and the new heal reduction DPS passive, tank is not only the hardest role to play in OW BY FAR but also one of the hardest roles to play in any competitive online team based game. No other role in any game has as many in game responsibilities as tank, and no other role in other games gets blamed as much as tank. You can play perfectly, keep track of everything and you will still get blamed most of the time if you lose, even if it's not the tanks fault. Combine that with the fact that tank is the least played role in OW, it's the hardest and most often least rewarding role in OW. Anyone who dislikes the upcoming tank fixes should play some tank games and see how miserable it is most of the time. Yes, I am a tank main.
Some people just hop on overwatch just to make things terrible.
Well yeah sadly its one of the few ways to have fun in the game these days, alongside baiting people into flaming you to farm reports. I wish the gameplay was better so I actually wanted to play but solo tanking is too cringe, its honestly sad how trolling and farming reports is the only way to have fun on ow anymore.
its what happens when you sap all the fun out of the game though and replace it with dumbassery like gamewide profanity ban and qp penalties which force people to stay trolling/afk in games they would just requeue otherwise. I just can't help but feel what you're saying is a reflection of the direction they took the game, if people were happy with the game they would just hop on to play and have fun and that would be it. But the direction ow2 head in is just so anti fun, its honestly wild the most fun thing you can do is just farm reports on people cause the report system is so fucked
Heck yeah, lasso! I've been saying that. It's so obvious.
i love these videos but the neon bg mekes me dizzy a little 😵💫sorry
11:10 bro starts saying he must be doing something wrong and doesn’t even try to understand the person
Dps do have a lot of utility outside confirming kills. I have won games just by continously attacking backrow as sombra. I was such a nuisance that the dps would focus me to try and protect their dps and the rest of my team would gun them down. You just have to know how to play with your team
SCALDING HOT TAKE FOR SUPPORT MAINS: Supports should not have a way to attack is what I thought at first, but to make it more fair, supports should not get most of their value from dealing damage. That is not their job! I am a tank main, and so many times I have dps moiras, or people who opt to pick illari to dps, or dps kirikos, and it isn't the correct play. My supports were down over 4k healing one game, and I was the one being blamed. Dps had horrible kds too.
3:18 w change!!!
13:15 As a metal rank player whose friends that play OW are all Masters and up with a few top 500s in there, I can say with certainty that it doesn't help you rank up. Playing games with my friends is stressful and very difficult. We basically have to gameplan around what I can or can't do and the win rates aren't great. It is good practice and it helps in my solo play but in many ways playing solo is far more chill and fun.
Idk take (after listening to the Sym take in 18:11): maybe you should charge your beam by right clicks, like if you hit 3 maximum shots while you are walking to the point your beam is charged and you can engage immediately
I'm confused. You state here that you feel 6v6 was more "deathmatchy". This is counter to what everyone was saying on OW2 release. Examples (paraphrasing): "5v5 feels faster. There are more skirmishes." - "OW2 is much more deathmatchy compared to current OW." - "OW2 is more about your individual skill and less about your team as a whole."
So, it might just be you misremembering but its not that hard to find videos about OW2 beta that are counter to what you claim here.
Hot take: qp should have a leaver penalty ONLY within the first few minutes of the game, maybe 5. When I play qp and have leavers, it’s only really annoying when they just give up after first or second fight, when it is still very winnable. But if you’ve been trying to win for awhile and the experience is just horrible (qp is just for fun after all) I don’t see why you need to be punished. It’s especially bad when you just want to learn a new hero like ball, but then you get counter swapped by everyone. How can you learn a hero if you don’t even get a chance to breathe
Healing received would be a killer stat.
hot take: backfilling a losing game isn't a big deal. it's not like you don't play losing games all the time in comp
HOT TAKE: I think the way they did tracers pulse bomb was incorrect, I believe what they should have done was keep the projectile size nerf on the pulse bomb but also increase the time it takes you to get the ultimate and increasing the overall damage back to 400. This would make landing a pulse bomb more rewarding as it is already difficult to consistently land one and that kiriko could just suzu it.
I miss overwatch one not everything was bugged , things died and tanks were fun to play . I used to have like 60 kills a match .
Coming from paladins to ow, i prefer having damage mitigated, and wish paladins had it in eom stats.
There are multiple champs in paladins that are tanks, but don't have shields, and i would love to see how much damage i took/mitigated as raum or atlas. 🤷♂️
I think there should be stricter text chat bans. Every day I get something toxic. I play the game to have fun after a stressful day of work only to get bashed in game for just trying to have fun. And the vast majority of the time I’m playing quick play and getting bashed. Call it weak mentals all you want, behaviors like this make it less likely for people to enjoy that game and keep playing it.
I just think stricter penalties for abusive chat is really important. It even relates to people choosing not to be in vc because of the large amount of people just bashing players
I personally enjoy 5v5 over 6v6, however, I can see how queueing up for the Tank role isn't as fun as what it used to be. Especially when both the DPS and Supports have another person that they can rely on. I'm not a Tank player by any means, so this doesn't affect me at all. But couldn't Blizzard add a separate Tank role to queue up to? For example roles would include: Tank, Shield Tank, Damage and Support (1, 1, 2, 2). This would allow the game to go back to 6v6 and avoid the issue of players picking 2 shield tanks, which causes too much busyness on our screens (which is what Blizzard wants to avoid). Obviously, I think more tanks would need to be added into the game first before doing this (not that this would ever happen, but it's nice to pretend). I don't see a reason as to why they couldn't physically do this as there used to be separate roles for Defense and Offense back in OW1. Again, I'm content with 5v5, but I feel like this could be the solution that both the players and developers could be looking for. Sorry for the long comment!
Metal Rank Hot Take: This community doesn't want 6v6 back BECAUSE 5v5 allows them to play more for themselves than with their team. 5v5 has allowed the metal ranks to thrive with their selfish actions.
Flash was a better skillcheck for more Heroes that mag nade
Hot take: Current Overwatch is Overwatch 0,75. While we have gotten some really good new things added, it still feels like we're missing features from OW1.
Cold take
@@ironman1458 really? Feels like most people are saying that OW2 is better. Glad to hear it tho
Who else preferred playing with or against flashbang? This magnet nade is just cheesy & annoying
I did. I play as Sombra mostly, and flashbang was scary, and I appreciated that actually. Hinder gives flankers a chance to still fight back in a weird way
@@MasterMemoHinder is better for flankers, but it is far worse for tanks...
Elon Heaven is 100% real as I struggle to get any Smurf below gold 5 because the game puts me in winner's queue where unless I hard throw and Mei wall my own team I am guaranteed to win.
Nah, its stupid, they took away Sombra's CC because "its too much" but then they literally give the same CC to Cassidy and suddenly OW players are like "Its okay, its fun!"
Ah young one,
Cassidy used to have a much better CC called stun grenade, compared to that hinder is only an anoyance.
Sombra's hack locks you out of all abilities, Hinder only does movement.
Hinder is also much easier to play around compared to Sombra's hack which was almost always free value.
While i agree their cc take is hypocritical because they first reduced it, then increased it again because *oh noes* the mobility creep of this game makes it hard to secure kills.
Your example however is not a good one.
Good ones would be giving hog a slow, re-adding brig stun in her ult, and reworking Orisa into having 1 stun and 2 displacement abilities.
@@charchadonto id rather have my cds locked than movment locked.
@@french_toast223 ehm.. you realise having your abilities blocked is WORSE? then just movement right? Because locking abilities also locks your movement abilities like tracer blink?
And prevents Doom from using block or Winston from using bubble?
@@charchadonto Hack has a channel time, you can blink as tracer to break her los, so to say sombra stops tracer from blinking is only true if you are a bad tracer. Mag nade you can react to sometimes but it doesnt have a "channel time" with innate counterplay that announces whats about to happen the way hack does. If he throws it on you when you're going for someone else you don't see it coming, compared to hack which always announces its gonna happen and you have multiple ways to avoid it.
"And prevents Doom from using block or Winston from using bubble?" As a winston player no cause you can just bubble to break los on her hack or just zap her. She doesn't block winston from using bubble because he can use it during the long ass channel time, and then she can't hack him. Or just turn around shoot her. You can bubble cass nade too but if you are diving a support you won't even see him compared to hack which announces to you thats it gonna happen way in advance regardless of if you are looking at sombra or not and gives you time to counter play it
@@charchadonto "Hinder is also much easier to play around compared to Sombra's hack which was almost always free value." Sombra hack is only free value if you're bad. As a wisnton player sombra is an easy matchup and even on ball you can outplay her easil unless they start going brig and stuff. Literally just shoot her or break los and she literally can't hack you
the thing is the same with QP hacked
ppl dont play the "event" if the changes are shitty for them (so one time played and not more)
and it doesnt matter which data you get - you would get data if you combine them with rewards
OW Scoreboard is still shit af - numbers out of context - Final Blows/Elims/Deaths/Damage Taken/Healing Done/First Deaths/Ultimates Used
Flash bang was generally still better
Remember when flash was like the only stun?
But it wasn't. Ana sleep dart, Old brig shield bash, Mei primary fire, doom fist....
@@FabricatedPheonix still kinda right if you only count ability wise and ana brig and doom fist punch are later release heroes
Wasnt ana the first new hero? @madara992
He’s talking about a time before Anna was in the game.
@@darkcircle899yeah, there was also shatter, Mei freeze, mei Blizzard, hog hook, Junkrat trap was just a root tho.
Hottake, I think Orisa has been a good character since day 1, I think people didn't know how to play her and I think sigma coming into the game was the only reason people really started to hate her. Double shield was fun the way sombra with perma invis is fun, it's 1 sided. And then I dislike what she became in overwatch 2. They didn't have to change her that way since they went to 1 tank. And they could have just given us an alternate version of her then they could say they had another tank
Hot take: Everybody uses the term "low skill floor" wrong. People say it about easy-to-play heroes like Moira or old Brig, who give high value even to beginners. But if a high skill ceiling means a hero is valuable in skilled hands, then logically, a low skill floor should mean a hero is less valuable in unskilled hands. Heroes that are still effective with minimal skill have a high skill floor because even near this floor, they provide great value. Am I crazy, or is the community's terminology backwards?
PS. Love the content!
mfw when damage roles has to contribute dmg
I’d 1000% take flash over hinder, that shit also lasts like a second or 2 and has like 10 times the range as flash. As doom or tracer you damn near die every time if you get hit with it at least flash only lasted like half a second
Flash was Guaranteed death. Hinder isn't. Flash stops someone from being able to play the game entirely, hinder does not. Flash you can crouch behind a corner like an ahole then press the button when someone crosses the corner and get a kill, with hinder the person can still fight you back.
Flash was beyond cheesy. Hinder feels cheap AF because of the tracking but its the lesser of 2 evils. Saying you'd rather be stunned than crippled is ridiculous and I think the only reason anyone says that is cuz they realize Flash is clearly stronger and they want the cheese back.
@@tigerfalco This doesn’t really apply to ball and doom though. Like yeah you can fight back with your 4 shots and piss cannon but it’s not much of a threat without your mobility. Of course you can use mobile to bait the nade but if you’re comparing hinder vs flash I think flash isn’t objectively worse to play into.
@@pasty609 If you're a tank that has like 400 to 700 effective HP it probably doesn't feel bad to be hit with something that literally forces you to stop playing for a whole entire second while somebody who has enough damage to kill you in 2 Bullets is right there lining it up.
I'll admit after the HP buffs it may not be as bad as it was before but I still do not like the idea of it. And as someone who has played a lot of mobas I truly do not understand why anybody is advocating for a character they don't play to have a stun over a cripple which is much worse
@@tigerfalco For sure flash is worse in a bunch of matchups, I'm just saying there are matchups where the opposite is true.
@@pasty609 im pretty sure that's only the case because the hinder technically last longer. If you made the hinder length the same as the stun duration you should easily see what I mean. When you have the HP to survive a short stun, of course a longer duration cripple feels worse. Either way I will never advocate for the return of flash, and I'd take Hinder any day. Theyre both cheap, but at least McCassidy can't corner camp with stun and 2 tap a squishy with roughly 0 effort.
Hot take: the whole "support not healer" is very unhelpful to the greater discussion. I feel like it gets bandied out a lot in a way that is reductive. While it's fair to say that contributing to damage is a part of a support's job, their job, ultimately, is to do just that - support. And sometimes that means you're gonna be mostly doing healing or protecting.
I genuinely think they should revert all ow2 changes and go back to the last patch of ow1. They just gotta nerf shields
Flashbanging as a pre-fire used to be so cheap. Please no.
Sym is way too squishy for being so close range with no mobility... Also her tp just explodes too easily for it to be viable, idk how to buff her either 🤔 she may need a rework again.. 😂 I think the idea of sym is really cool tho! So her cor design should remain, maybe add some turrets with her ult wall too... 😬 It's just not exciting to use at all in it's current state
Hot take: some characters don't need to be good in all elos. Sym and Hog are solid in lower ranks, we don't need to buff them because someone in grandmasters can't 1v1 the echo as a short-mid range gimmick character.
That’s not really a hot take, a lot of high level streamers echo this opinion
Stun was better at least you have to get close to use it.
Guys definitely right about psychological attraction to support role; there’s certainly a power incentive that comes with the role.
Agreed. He's not completely wrong. Take FFXIV for example. (And I'm sure other MMOs might experience it too.) I've seen healers refuse to heal for instance, if they don't like how their tank is tanking the enemies. Toxic? You bet. But we can't deny it's not an actual thing, unfortunately. lol
There could be, but you're also ignoring a lot of other factors. Some people got into support because of the heroes there and it was their first fps. That's why I picked up Lucio. A lot of other people just fell into being support mains because in open queue, someone needed to do it.
@@MasterMemoyour point on "someone needed to do it" is so true though. Back in the early days before role queue before even Ana was released someone had to support the team and that was me xD But maybe I was susceptible because I have always veered towards supporting my team etc. In dnd and other rpgs etc. I always gravitate to wards those sorts of roles but it isnt a power thing, it's a "i want to look after my team" xD
@@MasterMemo I’m not ignoring any factors, I know all that stuff too. I’m just saying that social psychology related to peer power dynamics also plays into it, and that the person was right when they were suspicious that could be a thing. Like the other guy said, it happens in all games with support, and lines up. I think hero aesthetic is probably the main choice for people to pick a hero.
I am a DPS (junkrat) main. But when I queue support, my feeling is "Alright, I'm in charge, now"
Arcade isn't fun because the open queue setting is still applied. Wanting to play as doom and JQ have you at 375. To top that off, you have people running 3 tanks that aren't really affected by the hp decrease. So in conclusion they just need to stop the bans in QP. If someone leaves the game then accept it. Competitive should be the only place you should be banned for leaving. I know they like short queues which is why I don't suggest a new mode.
Youre 100% right with all this
Nothing makes me feel better about my overwatch IQ than some of these absolute clunker hot takes lmao
As a support player, whenever people are homophobic, racist, transphobic et la, I instantly mute block report them and then ignore them from healing for a few minutes. By that point I usually just lost track of who was being rude and play the game like normal, but now with less yapping in my ears😌
Edit: look I’m not about to fight with half a dozen different people over a damn CZcams comment. But just to clarify; I don’t he’s toxic teammates outside of team fights. You got poked before the fight starts? You almost got picked off afterwards? Damn, that sucks, hope the other support can help you 👐🏻during an actual fight, there’s too much going on for me to remember or care about who said what, plus I already had them blocked and reported by that point so like…
“if you’re a bad person ill throw” lmfao get off your high horse this is the internet go play Minecraft if you want a safe place
@@vex9179”this isn’t Minecraft get off your high horse” Don’t be a jack ass on a video-game, not that difficult. You got nothing good to say? Hop outta mic and stay quiet, use the in-game ping system if you wanna communicate.
People play to have fun and if they are in competitive, they want a cohesive team to play and win with. Don’t wanna work with your teammates and you want to be a douche, your teammates don’t owe you the courtesy to be nice back to you.
@@vex9179Behaving like a child throwing a tanturm over a video game has been so normalised you forgot it's embarrassing.
@@vex9179 that isn’t even close to what I said, stay in school, maybe you’ll pick up some reading comprehension👍🏻
@@pitblackbird3169 By "ignore them from healing", don't you mean that you stopped healing them ?
I think you didn't use rose tinted glasses right... I mean you were close but it's supposed to refer to how you can't see flaws in something and you were more saying that we can't help but see the flaws bc of nostalgia?
like exclusively the flaws, which I mean real :p
People who say Cass should get his stun back are cooking on a level of "mei should freeze on left click again"
Mei should never have lost her freeze. Also ow2 shouldn't exist
@@ironman1458 don't ever cook again, thanks
Hot take: buff Mercy
Nah, she's fine
@@Shrimp4Gura you obviously don't play her then. It's laughably bad
@@ryangibson8727 the dps passive working as intended i see
@@Shrimp4Gura Mercy hater. Anyone who can claim she isn't struggling is delusional
@@ryangibson8727 i was a mercy player back in ow1, could never get past mid plat. Now in ow2 ive been in diamond/master playing lucio, kiri, ana, and havent gone back because they provide more utility to the team than a permapocketed hitscan who goes 5-13 while the mercy player is screaming at us to swap to play around them. I did my blue beam jail time, 300 hours of it over the years, i tried to make mercy work in my games in ow2, but the game has evolved beyond the point where a mercy alone can carry matches by herself.
If we had qp give us comp points too then the elo heaven wouldnt exist
Abusive behaviors more common among Support players more than other roles, for example Mercy players intentionally refuse to heal specific teammates because they feel hurt 😂 (basically snowflake syndrome)
It also happens with a few tank players (ball or orisa mains) but yeah, it is mostly supports that throw because they're butthurt
bro karq will say ANYTHING to propagate the status quo and convince the playerbase that their criticisms are invalid and stupid
well yeah he gets money from blizzard of course hes gonna enable them
Hot take: widow should be able to grapple onto enemies and either autofire her smg like she does in the kings row cinematic or give her the ability to leap off of them for a charged shot. It just doesn’t have enough range to escape anymore and with the invisible boundaries on maps it can be hard to instantly know the best route to escape from a dive.
Alternatively allow us to consume the venom mine to apply poisoned rounds to her gun.
I'm so glad you mentioned my hot take. I can understand what you said, but I still think DPS should be called scout role or something.
Anyway, good video as always.
Hot take: the so called “high skill ceiling” heroes aren’t that hard to play.
Tracer, Genji, Echo mains are always on their high horse about how they play these characters cause they take rEaL sKiLl unlike the other nO bRaIn and nO sKilL heroes like Sym, Junk, or Bastion, and yet these characters don’t have get-out-of-jail abilities or tiny hitboxes or ridiculous range.
Just look at top 500, 90% of DPS’s hero pools are these characters, showing anyone can get value with them, while the off meta characters are few and far between, proving they take actual skill to play and climb the ranks. (Yes I hate how these heroes are always popular and yes I want these three heroes nerfed to the ground)
Is this real
You're not wrong, but only cause overwatch is a low skill floor game in general
Hot take: Tank has actually been very fun to play this season. If you think about it almost the entire tank class has been buffed for months straight. Having to orissa mirror was a bit annoying but in general I’ve never felt like the tank class has had more fragging potential. I think a lot of tank players are unhappy because they get too caught up in the tank duel when they could be in raid boss mode hunting squishies. This is from a D2 perspective btw.
I disagree completely. Tank feels worse to me every single season. Forced to play a different raid boss tank or else you legit get counter swapped by all 5 no matter what you play. Solo tanking is cringe and dead. But I respect the actual hot take
Da support king is back baby he neva miss we're eating good today y'all
Hi Silvers
Hot take : more skill demanding heroes should be oppressive if they are played correctly
The thing is, making a hero very strong (oppressive) makes getting a minimum value out of that hero very easy (like on tracer, and I suck at tracer)
Like, at the current state of the game, it takes more skill to play junkrat than to play mccree.
I do NOT need symmetra to be good. I hate everything about that god awful character.
I think instead of balancing the tanks. They should make new roles like a MOBA. Such as a “tank, brawler, dmg, and support”. That way you can mitigate the pressure the tank has on them to make space and take damage all while keeping balanced damage output.
Arcade que times are awful not even worth queing
The sppts saying "no" is soooo true 😭😭 I was on 10 hp hiding with a Kirko and I asked for healing and Kirko just looks at me at goes "No" 💀😂😂😂
Hot take: I like CC. I come from MOBA games, not FPS games. I don't find them "unfair" at all.
Bring back Flash Bang and Mei freezing enemies (lower primary DMG)
There is no world where a penalty should be in any unranked mode. It’s foolish
STATING-THE-OBVIOUS-TAKE: tanks belong to the support role. 2 dps & 3 supports role que is the best way to mitigate elo hell in all levels.
People are so determined to leave quick play games. I understand people have lives and that's fair. But if there's enough leavers, it just ruins the mode. Because honestly, if you can't play a round with all 5 team members there, it's not really overwatch anymore. And if it gets bad enough, then you get people going into comp just to have an okay game, but they dont want to sweat, so it messes up the game for real comp players.
Naw you off on quick play. These penalties are insane. It’s quick play. People leave and come in constantly and it does hardly anything.
It’s not just about losing or stomp. I’ve seen half my team in a circle dancing. I had a doom and a mercy jump on the boats in Rialto like they were on a date while the game was going on. And a thousand other things. I didn’t even like the old penalties, but these new ones are making this shit unplayable. It’s quick play. Y’all try hards go competitive.
And also being locked out of every other mode is also dumb. What an incentive to just turn your game off and play something else when I’m locked out of everything bc I left quick play.