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I think in Gen 5 there was a definite shift in Pokemon's visual style, with Gen 7-8 turning it waaay up. Generally speaking, unevolved pokemon became less animalistic and more cartoony, with gradually-increasing head-to-body ratios and a higher occurrence of those tall, oval-shaped eyes, while evolved ones received busier designs and complex features, and are more likely to reference overtly human things. Because the series has gone through different style phases, it's understandable that everyone would have their own favorite periods. The problem is, we've reached a point where you can place older and newer pokemon next to each other and they don't look like they came from the same franchise.
I had to force myself to like any of the new designs, I think we just became accustomed to the lackluster designs. I genuinely had a 🤨 face seeing the starter evolutions
I chose fuecoco which is (in my opinion) the best out of three so luckily i wasn't disappointed. But after seeing spirigato's evolution i know for a fact that when gen 10 comes out im going to look up the starter evolutions beforehand in case i choose one with a disappointing evolution
@@JasonClinardRoth His finally evolution really grew on me (despite the overdesigned face). One thing I would give these new Pokémon is that they have some of the coolest Pokémon cries, really unique and catchy
The same thing happened with Yugioh. Monster cards where actual monsters and grotesque things that look cool, but now every monster card played in meta is either another dragon or just a straight up human
We always had some questionable designs and I feel like we started getting more and more in gen 3. Gen 4 became my favorite because it gave some really cool evolutions to older pokemon, then anything after that I don't know what happened but I will always appreciate a well designed mon whenever I see one. Gen 6 for having the best fossil pokemon. The lore of pokemon has always been messy since Gen 7 with Sun and Moon but I don't play it for the plot. I will buy the games if they have any good mons that I like and with the removal of the national dex really makes me pick and choose if I want to buy a new pokemon game or not. If I don't see anything I like then I won't buy it.
Sugimori (the guy who designed all 151 pokemon + gen 2 and some more) did say that gen 3 was much more experimental in making new sorts of designs for pokemon and seeing what the public reaction to it would be
I agree with this entire video 😭 I was surprised hearing this games release was so soon. I bet they would realize these issues if people stopped buying the game but people gonna keep buying cuz it’s Pokémon 💀 honestly, A LOT of new games that have been released recently that are like… BIG names have just been meh. All these companies just popping out games cause we keep buying. The community gives feedback and they also usually don’t listen- so it’s kinda obvious money is the main goal not the reputation or the title of producing a God level game.
Your only saying it’s released soon because legends of arceus it’s actually been 3 years since the last main Pokémon game, because of covid Pokémon released legends arceus later
@@deandragon4796 confused on ur point here but the diamond and pearl remakes were a year span between this games release. The diamond and pearl remakes has its own issues with me personally. BUT you could tell Arceus has time given to it.. it was released in January… THIS GAME WAS RELEASED IN NOVEMBER OF THE SAME YEAR 😭 not even a year span in between..it’s obvious they can push back dates and it’s obvious what they put time into when putting games into comparison.
This was the first pokemon game where I looked at the designs for this gen and though more were misses than hits. I like maybe 10ish pokemon of the gen, and the starters, the secondary mascot of the gen, aren't on that list
Me and my best friend have been playing the games since red and blue. We have been saying this since like gen 4. It’s progressively getting more digimon and stupid with the designs every gen. I’m glad you been thinking the same thing haha
Idk man gen 5 had some really bad designs but it had some really good ones too I mean look at the bug type Pokémon easily the best generation when it came to that at least lol
I don't really have an issue with the design of the paradox pokemons. However, I agree with you about the naming system, Game freak gave the Ultra Beasts codenames and actual names. They could have done the same for the paradox pokemons.
Sometimes I think it may be my bias as these pokemon came out after I stopped being a child. But then I remember how much I prefer the pokemon xenoverse pokedex and think maybe there is a true decline in quality.
To be fair to the Ancient Amoongus, it was never stated that the modern pokeball design came before or after Ammongus. For all we know the modern design was made by an Amoongus fan.
Also it’s speculated that all of the weird time Pokémon aren’t even meant to exist and were manifestations made by the big machine using the thoughts and imaginations of people around it. “Maybe this looked like a dinosaur in the ancient past?” And then it farted out a mushroom dinosaur which makes no god damn sense, which is the point it’s supposed to make you think “hold on, that don’t make sense, something ain’t right.”
To be fair to the pokemon paradox, people theorize that the machines that the teachers created are not really time machines, but that they really created a machine that makes dreams and fantasies come true, something like the unown created a castle and Entei in that old movie, if confirmed in any dlc it could explain the shape of the paradoxes since the teachers are obsessed with the past and the future, the past paradoxes (even though I like salamence, volcarona and dolphan they seem more or less plausible for a true ancient pokemon) are basically a stereotype of how we imagine cavemen and that would also explain why they have no gender since they are creations, as well as future forms that are stereotypes of how we think of the future (dolphan , delivird and gallade/gardevoir are the only ones with a salvageable design for me since at least they have a different model since the others are basically a skin of cyborg) And speaking precisely of the paldea pokemon I agree with you, most of them are ugly, of the starters the only one that is decent is the crocodile but if at least the fire was like a real fire and not like vomit or phlegm or its head was like a crocodile skull would look like a threatening creature, seeing it from afar it looks like an old gentleman with a big nose and a bald head, and the knights look like characters from megaman.exe Perhaps many of these designs would look better in 2d or with a more advanced graphics engine, but we already know that gamefreak is not going to change the same graphics engine that they have been using since 3ds and that already shows its years since making another one implies time and effort and that means not selling for a while I am using a translator
Ghost and fairy Pokémon (depending on the specific pokemon and their concept) don't have to be believable they don't live in nature But yeah 100% new pokemon just aren't as believable some have always existed but never as many as we do now personally my favorite pokemon are ones that incorporate human concepts while still being believable animals corviknight is easily the coolest regional bird Unfortunately it seems alot of these new designs are popular with the people growing up now as their more use to these types of designs me included but idk something about the more believable pokemon has always been more appealing oh well ig Their are also still plenty of believable pokemon in newer gens (6-9) it's just that their are as many unbelievable ones now that break the immersion for all of them
@anonymousthoughts3487 why i said depending on the concept not all ghost pokemon are ghost they just have a connection to ghost or something similar those should be believable aslong as they can give a good explanation for why the ghost look a certain way then its fine for them to look a bit strange same thing with fariy
Honestly, I was coming into this video with my fists in front of my face ready to defend at least a couple of Game Freaks decisions, but you bring up some really freaking powerful points that make me rethink Game Freak and Nintendo.
I’d like another video from you explaining your reasoning behind this philosophy that “Pokémon hasn’t been good for a long time.” For example, where did you believe that it had fallen off? I get not liking the wider anthropomorphization of current designs, or the fact that designs like seen in Skeledirge are pretty busy, but that being said, I have an opinion on Pokémon, and it’s this: Darwinian evolution and the Pokémon world can’t work together perfectly. Since Generation 1, we’ve had Pokémon emerge from piles of waste that was hit by lunar rays like Grimer, Pokémon resembling clown-like mines like Mr. Mime, literal gaseous Pokémon which are either the souls of humans or living gas from another dimension like Gastly and Haunter. There’s been tool use since Cubone and Marowak, Machamp which seems to wear a literal wrestling belt, and Pokémon like Clefairy which somehow came to Earth from the Moon, implying life can be created there, as well. With all that being said, how can we apply our own definitions of evolution in our world to Pokémon, a fictional series where many designs are created out of pure whimsy? It isn’t plausible for a Charizard or a Magnemite or a Dodrio to exist, yet it does, because Game Freak simply figured it’d be clever, you know? Again, I can understand not liking for designs to be too busy, or for furries to be given more fuel in the form of Meowscarada or Quaquaval, but the designs have been this complex I feel since Generation 4, with the lore always having had mysteries and inconsistencies since Generation 1. It’s never been perfect, but past generations can be improved by new material in later games, such as the Old Verses in Hisui giving more history not read in Canalave Library, or new evolutions to existing Pokémon. There’s a Pokédex entry which literally says Primeape can get so angry it dies, and in Scarlet and Violet, Annihilape. SO COOL, a Ghost evolution that IMPROVES upon past material. Eh, I mean, maybe that’s just me. Like…I feel you in some respects about simplistic designs being better, or maybe choosing to root themselves in more classical and natural designs like a creature which exists in nature, but I argue it’s never been perfect, and that it’ll be hard to market the series with brand-new Rattatas and Pidgeys and Magikarps that look plain and don’t have something cool about them. Heck, not everything in Scarlet and Violet is even overdesigned, in my opinion. You really don’t like Wattrel or Kilowattrel? I think it makes sense in a world of pseudo-magic creatures that a bird could generate electricity with its wings and use that same electricity to hunt fish. But hey, maybe Pikachu having electricity to “roast berries” makes more sense to you, I don’t know. Or heck, Tandemaus and Maushold are *literally* going by Gen 1 design philosophy, and are less goofy and wild than things like Dugtrio, Magneton, and Exeggcute. Seriously, Exeggcute. You think a family of white mice is less believable than a group of sentient psychic seed eggs with angry faces? Where in your Darwinian evolution would Hitmonchan develop boxing glove hands, or for Machamp to be able to literally deliver 1000 punches in two seconds? That’s not a made-up statistic, either, check out FireRed’s Pokédex entry for Machamp. If you’ve ever watched the anime, you realize that Hitmonlee’s legs are springs, and that’s ridiculous for a variety of reasons. How would his muscles and legs work? Are you trying to convince me that a Pokémon lacking a mouth or a nose is just running around delivering spring legged roundhouse kicks in all directions? Darwinian evolution light influence some Pokémon here and there, but this is a world where Pokémon can be born from human ghosts getting trapped in objects by accident, or from plants and rocks and garbage suddenly gaining sentience over time and just being a species. There’s a point where logic can’t be applied anymore, and we have to accept that the series is, always has been, and will be one which remains intentionally vague for the sake of the mystery, as well as for the sake of the joke. We’ll never see Diglett’s feet, we’ll never know where Ditto comes from, and we’ll likely always find Jynx concerning. But I’d argue that’s what makes Pokémon fun, even if some Pokémon now look like Yu-Gi-Oh cards from 2005. Keep making videos, my guy. I don’t hate your opinion, I encourage you to keep discussing Pokémon, and even to keep playing Pokémon. I have a feeling we’ll find out a lot more about Paradox Pokémon and the Terastal phenomenon in the Scarlet and Violet DLC.
It started falling off from X&Y, arguably from Black & White too, but that was forgivable because it was a whole new continent with only new pokemon. X and Y introduced Digimon-like mega evolution, the trend where each game had a single gimmick, rather than introducing long term strategic depth. Double battles and triple battles have more longevity than z-moves, megas, gigantamax etc. To be fair I think Scarlet and Violet has the best new pokemon in recent generations, as well as the most bad designs too (I haven't finished the game but the future/past pokemon look ass).
@@Snoop_DuggBelieve it or not, I also play competitive Pokémon in the game’s official VGC ( Video Game Championship ) format, and it’s doubles. VGC official battles have been doubles from the start, since the Gen 3 games, four versus four, and with every new mechanic, you’re actually allowed to have double battles WITH Mega Evolution, Z-Moves…last gen, Sword and Shield, we were using Dynamax and Gigantamax in competitive, and I’d argue it was a lot of fun. Some people can’t handle all that fancy stuff, though. Having to use two Pokémon that might also be using mechanics is a lot harder than just fainting a wild Pokémon, and it’s just harder for some newer fans to process who started getting headaches from Gen 5 designs and stuff. I’d recommend going to an old video game store, purchasing a copy of one of the Gen 3 games, and that way you can play with simpler designs like Voltorb and Ditto and Muk. That way, there’s not as much going on during a battle, and your mind and vision can more easily process what’s going on. I mean, I’d feel terrible if somebody saw all of the details in the newer games and suffered migraines because they couldn’t handle more sophisticated designs and game mechanics, but luckily for you, there are earlier games with Pokémon designs that you could handle. Also, if you go to a store like Half-Price Books, you could enjoy the series by going to the kid’s section and getting one of the older legacy books, so you can enjoy the designs from older games without all of the harsh flashing lights associated with the video games. And I don’t mean any of this to be condescending AT ALL, it’s just that doubles + new designs + battle mechanics + general dynamic movement is too much for some minds to handle. I know my dog wouldn’t be able to handle taking all of that in, so I can’t assume that some people out there would be able to handle all that, too. If all else fails, there’s Animal Crossing, my guy.
@@MunkyDrag0n true like tbh the desgins started going down hill with gen 5 but i wasn't like rapid it was a slow progression it was when we got to gen 8 where the desgin took a rapid turn for the worst.
@@wigglermain overl most of the gen 8 designs are mid for example the starters finale Evo the look like shit and the legendaries are so mid and lore behined them is ever worse Failkings another mid design along with boltend one of the worst desgins from gen 8 . The only strong desgins from gen 8 are Corvinight and Dragabolt. The s tier desgins from gen 9 are better the strong desgins from gen 8 and there are more of them. Example Great tuck, Roaring moon . As far has gen 6 goes the gen 6 dex is far better than both gen 8 and 9 gen 6 as a lot of really good designs.
@@cesarshoonewolff9513 true but the strong designs from gen 9 make the string desgins form gen 8 look like crap for example Great Tusk, Roaring moon The box art legendarys and the starters and some others but you get it.
@@keylessdragonball1574 yes but it's for that reason, the legendaries and starters are very good together with other pokemon that were revealed before, but when I saw the rest I didn't like them and I only liked 20% of 100% of them but it's just my opinion
4:07 Crocodilians are very vocal creatures bellowing and Hissing at 90 decibels. Egyptian Plovers are birds that have symbiotic relationships with crocodiles cleaning their teeth after kills so it becoming a mic and the crocodile singing is actually not far off logic.
i was really hoping that because their doing open world now and they have to fit the pokemon into the world somehow they would naturally fall into making them look more animal ish but clearly they didint care and just slapped most of them down somewhere without thinking about it twice thank god james turner isint on the design team now
even tho i like some of the designs of 3-4 last pokemon games i agree with you some of them are really cool but not for pokemons imo also when less it is monster and more antro (or mb object) them it is less "pokemon" for me
I agree. I grew up with gen 1 and these newer designs look different, almost like a different show or franchise. Although the first gen also had some weird designs like magnemite and voltorb, the most designs were animal based and more sharper with longer limbs. The newer designs are rounded with short limbs and are made to look humanoid like magicians, etc. Especially the starters. I hate the designs since gen 5 but this is the worst so far. The SV games dont feel like pokemon to me. Its a huge dissapointment. There are fan art makers who can design better looking pokemon based on the old artstyle, they should have hired them.
You making too much sense. I saw some the designs and thought. "Damm this looks like Digimon". Anyways it doesn't matter since ppl gonna buy it regardless.
Bro, you are the only video I can find that talks about how bad the designs are. Now, I don't think they are all bad, but a lot of them are. gholdengo has to be the worst design I've ever seen. Then, how can suicune have a past form when it was literally created from the death of another pokemon. There literally cannot be an ancient form bc suicine didn't evolve. It was from an unnamed pokemon?
That's more bc the time machine in SV is not really a time machine, atleast it's implied that the paradox mons are not real in general, too bad this stuff is just, hidden behind books 99% of the players are gonna miss
@@chainbomb well I did watch a speculation video that all the paradox pokemon are not real. Like they were created from the mind of someone kind of thing? Is that what your saying?
@@chainbomb but idk of its bc they are all so new, but a lot of the pokemon designs this generation seem rushed or not well thought out. Not all of them of course, but some seem strange or just half baked idk?
@@MountaineerVapes Yes to the first question, and dw I do not like most of the designs this gen either, just wanted to point that out because it went over a lot of people's heads (me included until I searched up about it tbh)
I've heard the main designer of pokemon left, that's why the style is different. ths doesn't excuse stuff like Amoongus/magneton/porygon/mewtwo existing in the prehistoric past, or pokemon "evolving" into robots. I like ~20 of the new pokemon this generation, but they could be better.
This was exactly what i was thinking throughout the video lmao. I used one on a team and he was the one i used most, also his design is really simple but cool. I like how it's "eyes" are just it's organs or something and aren't actually it's eyes
Pokemon are no longer wild creatures. They are now characters with personalities and themes. And Gamefreak prioritizes those personalities and themes over the designs themselves. That’s the best way I can explain it. For example, Skeledirge has the singer theme, and also the bird theme. Gamefreak obviously prioritized getting those themes across in the design. But that makes the design just…weird. They were too focused on the themes rather than the visual appeal of Skeledirge. Another example is Quaquaval - they focused too much on the dancer theme without thinking about the visual appeal. Gholdengo is an especially disgusting example - it has a surfer theme, a trophy theme, and a coin theme, which all results in a really awkward design. I could go on.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!! This even spreads to the regular Pokémon, Bellibolt, Grafaiai, Scovillain, and Brambleghast all look like middle stages, yet they’re the final stage?!! Their designs just look unfinished it’s like if Haunter didn’t evolve into Gengar or Graveler into Golem. It sucks cuz those lines had so much potential yet they gave Pawmi a three stage line where they all look the exact god damn same.
I have to agree as the franchise since generation six for me the designs has started to become less and less interesting to me. The terrible story and nerfs to pokemon aside, I just lost interest in the franchise and I am close to thirty also. Either we had just outgrown the franchise due to it not meeting our childhood expectations "google that" and it is not as immersive as it used to be. It is just a soulless company pumping out the brand for currency and throwing a few classic pokemans from generation one and now two to get the nostalgic consumers to return for maximum profit.
There’s a theory that the paradox pokemon aren’t named correctly for reasons we will find out in the dlc. And I hope it’s right. Basically the names are censored or the paradox mons are just what we thought they were in the past/future and not actually real
The designs that make gen 9 overall better than gen 8 is the Legendary. The Box Legendarres from a desgins standpoint are way betetr then gen 8 along with great Tusk and Roaring moon . There are some other decent desgins Like Skeladirge and the regional brid mon . The main issue with gen 9 is that there are way more bad to mid desgins then atually good ones.
gen 8 has some of the most solid and 'makes sense' designs for pokemon, compared to gen 9 (way less flops/mid/horrible evos). Idk how gen 9 had so many bad designs, missed opportunities to evolve pokemon or when it does evolve them, the evolutions look the same or uglier. However the main legendaries for gen 9 are cooler/better than just dog with weapon and there are some bangers in the dex.
Lmao you're kidding right? Those shitty motorcycle lizards look horrible compared to Zacian and Zamazenta. Foh. Gen 9 is terrible. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
am i saying pokemon cant hold things? no. my favorite pokemon of all time is farfetch'd and he's a duck that holds a leek at all times, but that doesnt make him grass/flying
I don't really get it. I'm not like a die hard fan but i've played every game past gen 3. And there's nothing to really like about this game. It's horribly buggy, clearly rushed, and nothing is realized to its full potential. But then i go on twitter and everyone *fucking loves it.* i mean maybe i could just chock it up to a generational divide but like, i'm only 19. I AM gen z. It's like i'm walking into a different universe. It's so bizarre. Because i know if it was any other triple AAA game franchise it would be ripped to shreds. It weirds me out hard.
yeah i agree. i remember watching other videos where CZcamsrs ranked the new 'mons. and every time they gave one a compliment i would think "what? really? but it's so ugly." that dolphin thing is one of my least favorite. such an awful design for a Pokémon. and i actually like Incineroar. i agree that some of the prevos are cute. except for the paint monkey thing. that thing was pretty solid, i thought. but the prevo is so hideous. and completely unnecessary. i remember watching Arlo's review, and when he said the best thing about the new generation is the new Tenticool variant i was like "yeah! okay. i can agree with this." anyways....🙄
From Gen 5 onward you can see the designs getting more ugly and nonsensical. Besides a few bizarre entries such as Magnemite and Voltorb, Gen 1-4 was clean. Those creatures could reasonably exist in the wild in some alternate version of Earth. Gen 5 we got Pokemon carrying man-made objects, wearing human clothing prominently, and living trash. Gen 6 we got living keys and desserts not for any in-universe justified purpose. Gen 7's total problem was too much anthropomorphizing. Gen 8 continued that but added wild concepts like more food, a building dragon, and ugly as sin fossils/G-max Pokemon. Gen 9 is everything wrong with the previous regions turned up another notch. Nothing makes sense. There is no identity left. Gamefreak has lost the narrative. They've clearly given up in design, programming and lore.
Garbador seems more like a Pokémon/creature that adapted to city life. The Dex states that it’s a living creature that covers itself in garbage and not garbage that magically came to life. But yeah, the random anthropomorphizing and just throwing an object and saying “hey it’s alive!” Sucks, only ghosts types get away with it because of possession.
@@norock_ That is not an objection to what i wrote. You may think it is, but it's not. Gen 5 may simultaneously have the best designs and be the start of bad designs. Samurott, krookodile, & haxorus among others are brilliant designs. Others are not so good.
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 Wrong. The pokedex states it eats garbage making it a part of its body. That is a nonsensical claim to the point of being magic. If it is a slimey life form with garbage simply stuck on it, then why does it have full control over the pipes as seen in the anime? It becomes garbage. Otherwise, i think you understand my claim. Take a look at cryogonal. I think it is the epitome of bad design which we see all over again in garganacl.
I think the worst part of the whole "ancient pokemon" plothole shit is that we JUST had legends arceus. Wasnt that supposed to be the ancient shit with hisuian forms?
I'm pretty sure it's because of the mega laser back in gen 5 so that the ancient Pokémon became immortal. This would explain why they don't have pre evolutions. As for violet. The Pokémon all died out and so humans re built them. Except iron bundle who was built by a ancient civilization
The next person that brings up Hitmonchan or Jynx to me as a counter argument is getting blocked. 1. I made a video addressing them already 2. I HATE THEM. THAT IS NOT A GOTCHA CUZ I HATE THEM SO MUCH
@@mohatesmedia5170 It's part of the Theme they went with it... it becomes a Superhero... that's why, when it Transforms like that, it's Stats become super amazing, lol... and if someone doesn't like that Superhero Form, (I personally kinda like it,) they don't have to use it really, as it only goes into that form by switching out and switching back in. The Stats of the base Palafin Form might not be super good, but my favorite Pokemon is Wailord, so I'm used to loving Pokemon who don't necessarily have the best Stats or should have better Stats anyway, lol... but you're Complaint about the Pokemon's looks is purely Subjective. A Dolphin standing up like that isn't a new or a unique Concept for a Dolphin or Fish like Character. Plenty of other Dolphin/Fish Cartoon Characters before have had that same kinda Concept or look... of standing on it's hind fin as if it was legs. The Prehistoric and Future Pokemon Complaints, yeah, I can see that. Especially about them not even having real Pokemon names. It's kinda annoying, but these names probably sound better or make more sense in Japanese. It's almost like how the Native Americans would name themselves... I mean, if you hear what their name sounds like in their language, it sounds cool... but then you learn that the name is literally just, "Little Bear," or something like that, lol. Ya know what I mean?? It's all Subjective and there have always been at least some Pokemon in a Pokemon Game that seem like they don't even fit or seem like they don't belong, or Subjectively, that don't make sense and People don't like the Designs of... going all the way back the Gen 1 even. Exeggcute and Exeggutor, anyone?? Like, what the F**K even is it?? Lol.
@kriz2432 m8, you're right. These are subjective. This video is also a subjective video Let my man rant about whatever he wants to get out of his chest. We all gone through stuff like this.
Pokemon Scarlet was actually my first game 💀, I liked it at first but then i started playing other Pokemon titles and realized that it just sucks ass, i can't even draw a single pokemon other than sprigatito from how overdesigned they were. And i agree about the Pokemon not feeling like creatures who'd thrive in a complex ecosystem, it just straight up feels like a tame Rainfurrest.
Wtf the story was probably the best and I grew up in the mid of gens with Gen 4-5. I have been extremely critical with the new games. These designs are not ugly have u seen Gen 5? This was a good game no not amazing open world was not my thing with Pokémon. But the designs all of it was good. Elite 4 and champion tho? Complete joke. Second worst behind X and y. And this is coming from someone who plays every gym leader and elite 4 etc with Pokémon 2-3 levels lower.
As my first pokemon game, this was an awesome experience. The open world mechanic works amazing. However, i know that this pokedex is one of the worst ever. I love a lot of previous gen pokemon that im sad are not in this game. Almost all pokemon feel very new to me, so i don’t care a lot about the new ones being bad.
Clodsire is BABY but otherwise I agree, I’m not big on most of the designs, they are too complex and too human looking in most cases, a lot of them were just plain ugly this generation. I prefer animal/plant based or mythology based Pokémon over robots and cars. I was a bit more upset over the designs than the state of the game at release, they can update the game but these designs will be with us forever 🤣 Also do Pokémon from the past (specifically from this game bc fossils can breed) not have genders? If Cyclizar has a gender why doesn’t Koriadon? If one is an earlier version of the species/ a common ancestor why can’t they breed/ have genders. And how did cyclizar get so ugly and why is it half the size of it’s previous and future self? too many questions Though a manaphy/ phione situation with cyclizar and either box legendary would have been fun
While I agree that Pokémon are becoming a lot more character focused and humanoid in design I’d also like to point out that it’s not a new concept in Pokémon at all, for instance hypno, jinx and Alakazam all possess objects or clothing that defy what is natural in nature. I think the difference between the “older designs” compared to the gen 9 ones are that each new design are trying to sell an archetype. They’re trying to turn each new Pokémon into a character rather than a creature.
It aint a new concept but it is overused. We can’t levy that at older mon because it hadn’t become as frequent of a problem yet. The 8 out of 151 that were like that are different than the 40 out of 95 that do it every gen now
Yes because him wanting natural designs that conform to a reality within the pokemon world as it were means he wants ridiculously simple designs and nothing complex at all. Ironically your take here is terribly simple.
@@BryanB2o11 also, Norock spoke as if “rock with arms” and “ball with two magnets” were the only Pokémon from the first gen… when obviously not all Pokémon are good, at least MOST of the original 151 were consistent and GOOD… most Pokémon from gen 9 just look awful imo
@@bislacha1148 Gen 1 pokemon allegedly had to be very simple due to the gameboy's limited processing power. As technology became more advanced they kept getting more and more complex with the designs without realizing "just because you can doesn't mean you should". It's about progressing while maintaining an identity, which is what Gamefreak lost.
@@bislacha1148 well that's the thing, design isn't just about one person thinking they look better, design has purpose. Newer pokemon include a ton of references to the cultures of their regions, I'm not saying gen 1 is a bad gen design wise, but the only real criticism in the video is "they look like digimon they're too complex" (since saying "that's ugly" isn't really a criticism worth addressing). And well, the same criticism people have had since gen 5 "it's literally trash, it's literally an ice cream" while gen 1 was 1 thing + 1 other thing or also straight up a cartoon from something real. The guy in the video literally said "I have no background in design" so idk why you would try to so fiercely defend a non-argument.
@@BryanB2o11 Bruh, he literally says the designs are too complex. Also it's been over 25 years since gen 1 came out, I'm happy designs don't stay the same. I don't like every design in gen 9, but the criticism in this video is just not it. I vastly prefer some good and some bad over the same kind of design 900+ pokemon in.
As someone who was 7 when red & blue came out in the 90s, I hate the designs for most pokemon after gen 2 (arguably 3, but there's some kanto-ish looking gen 3 pokemon like wailmer, vigoroth, etc).... I actually like farigiraf, cetitan, clodsire, bramblin, flamigo, Great Tusk, Slither Wing, and Roaring Moon. The others are questionable though. Sinnoh though, sinnoh is the epitome of the ugliest gen. Stunky/Skuntank, Bronzor/Bronzong, Leafeon and Glaceon are the only decent pokémon-ish designs in sinnoh. I can't believe so many ppl defend sinnoh, it's so so ugly.
I can think Scarlet and Violet are fun, while also acknowledging these games were released as un-finished turds because Nintendo and Gamefreak have a huge problem with the way they handle pokemon. They either need to give a larger more capable company the rights to make pokemon games, or stop trying to release games along the stupid friggin anime. Who plays pokemon games because of the Anime? They essentially only want to use the anime as a marketing tactic to build hype for their otherwise un-finished turd games that will sell 10 million copies in a week regardless, because pokemon fans have high expectations for such a mishandled failure of a company just because they are nostalgic for the awesome games they grew up with.
In defense of the ancient Pokemon, it was never stated that these Pokemon don't have pre-evolutions. There might be an ancient ground fighting Phanpy in the past. Still doesn't make sense, the concept of futuristic Pokemon being more powerful makes more sense than old Pokemon de-evolving over time. Not that I am a very big fan of the futuristic Pokemon. I get that these are past and future forms, but they leaned too hard into the "dinosaur" and "Robot" theme. Some robots are cool, some dinosaurs are cool, but I feel they could have expanded beyond "future = robot" or "past = dinosaur". Oh well...
I agree with you about the Paradox Forms: fundamentally, they make no fucking sense (like Paradox Amoongus, like you brought up, who literally evolved to mimic Pokéballs: it would make no logical sense for it to still have the pattern in prehistoric times where THERE WERE NO POKÉBALLS) and the entire reason they even exist is for senseless nostalgia bait. Seriously, that's all Pokémon has become: a nostalgia-trap that's only purpose is raking in money from thoughtless shills.
pokemon evolution doesnt work like real world evolution and its been like that forever (whether intended or not). if it truly worked the way it did in the real world, 2 evolved pokemon that breed would make a baby version of that evolution instead of just the pre-evolution/pre-pre-evolution of that pokemon that can also evolve into... that pokemon. that was a lot of words but u get the point... probably. im not saying this is an excuse to just wildly misinterpret the idea of evolution, but i feel like you can give the ancient pokemon a pass. speaking on evolution, i think this new direction is just gamefreak evolving as well. the pokemon series, as a whole, has been about building bonds and GROWING with your pokemon and the people you meet along the way, so i think its fitting that more and more concepts get added to really spice up the games. im not saying older pokemon are "boring" by any means, im just saying that these newer pokemon due to their more "complex" nature are more interesting and it shows that these pokemon have a lot of effort put into their overall designs (visually and characteristically). do i think pokemon might be doing too much "evolving", probably, but do i think its a net negative, probably not. also, when you think about it, wouldnt it just make sense for certain pokemon to evolve based on humans? like, we and humans and pokemon have a lot of simuiarities (genetically speaking) even since the earlier gens and, well, pokemon just live around humans alot, so it would make sense for them to evolve like us since they are pretty intelligent compared to any other animals in the real/pokemon world. as for the ancient and future pokemon, this is a really good point i didnt think about. the ancient pokemon do kind of mess up the lore, but like i said, pokemon and humans are pretty similar so you can at least kind of explain them with that (minus brute bonnet and kinda sandy shocks). as for the future pokemon, they really could just be mechs, but again, humans are slowly replacing a lot of aspects of society with technology, so i could see pokemon adapting to that and, in turn, becoming mechanical themselves. technology has a lot of disadvantages, but at its core it would be an evolutionary advantage to become bio-technological or however u say it. also, i kind of like the paradox pokemon names, like maybe ancient humans somehow found out about them and gave them these titles. its not very likely that humans of today wouldnt change those names or at least give them new ones, but still. i feel like gamefreak doesnt put too much focus on the lore, more so just game design in general, but it wouldve been nice if they tried to keep it more consistent (even if game design matters more). also, really quickly, i dont know how long this was intended for the pokemon series as a whole, but people in ancient times used to be pokemeon/used to do stuff like... "breed" with them. i feel like that fact can kind of explain the more complex pokemon, since they are basically evolutions of what we humans evolved from, but i still wouldnt say it fully excuses all the humanoid pokemon/pokemon with human features and characteristics. ur 100% right about them needing more time to make games. releasing a game every year is difficult, and it shows that the devs have to cut corners in certain areas to meet deadlines. at the end of the day, i think pokemon is stepping in the right direction when it comes to the games quality wise (pokemon scarlet and violet fixed so many issues with pokemon, like the repetitiveness and slow main game), but as for world building, its more complicated. to put it in simple terms, id say they are stepping in the right direction, but they are just doing it too quickly. pokemon as a whole cant just stay the same funny birds and rats game for 9 generations, but i also dont think we necessarily need stuff like robot delibird. the series has kinda lost its original charm, but i feel like they more so replaced it with something a little more... "modern" rather than just only a loss. i feel like where a lot of people either dont focus on the worldbuilding or are simply onboard with everything gamefreak does, its refreshing to someone give criticisms with some level of merit. however, i feel like this video is an example of a point of view that goes too far in the opposite direction, to put it on way. i feel like we, as a whole, should find some sort of middle ground, where pokemon doesnt just stay the same forever, but it also doesnt change too much and lose the feeling of... pokemon.
So two things: Pokemon def tries the darwinian evolution thing. They have fossils and mew exist and mews lore is based in darwinism. They allude to the concept or out right make pokemon predicated on it. To say they don’t have it in the games or at least try to ignores pokedex entries and game mechanics they have had from the beginning and our confusion/disagreement is my point. They don’t mesh well. And when they draw attention to it by making a plot about it it gets bad. I shouldn’t be able to poke holes in them this quickly by remembering things. They have been doing this for 26 years. 2. All of what you said can be true and the pokemon can still look more animalistic. Nothing you said about concepts growth or change inherently addresses my issues. It actually exacerbates them. I don’t want my bond with pet to give it thumbs and culture because I have no business owning something that sentient and making it fight while saying its my friend and calling it an it. The game is buggy, the story is a mess and they haven’t had good design balance since around gen 6. They are a multimillion dollar company. These are not growing pains. They are making bad decisions. And because we keep paying them and because nintendo on the business end is low key evil this shit is gonna get worse. They aren’t stepping into a new direction and them stumbling. They are making hard decisions to cut corners because despite being one of the richest developers in the game they are constantly behind on tech, performance, and games. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into using full sized discs 20 years after disc tech happened because it was cheaper to continue to use cartridges or smaller discs. They aren’t having oopsies. They just suck. And they are making the choice to continue to suck on purpose and pokemon suffers because of it. This shit is gonna get worse. We do not owe them grace. It has been 20+ years since gen 1. They know better.
1. i do agree that a lot of the games lore is based on darwinian evolution, im just simply pointing out the fact that evolution as a whole has only been losely adapted into pokemon. even if it plays a major role in pokemon, its far from a 1 to 1 comparison (which is to be expected). 2. a lot of what i said was mainly just to provide explanations for the plot holes you gave. they arent the best explanations, and i dont even know if i 100% agree with them, but i also wouldnt say they are complete trash either. i feel like the whole concept of making pets fight for you in pokemon just opens a whole can of worms that isnt very easy to close. i can understand if u dont like the idea that you force sentient beings to fight for you, and when u start to ask if its consensual it gets pretty messy. i really dont want to talk about the problem much, but even then, looking at pokemon through that lense is gonna make the series as a whole look bad, not just the later generations (although you can say it was amplified). as for the bugs, they are unacceptable, and although its not like the game is made completely unplayable it is still annoying and probably shouldve been fixed by now. when it comes to pokemon stories, at the very least its different. more recent gen's stories have kind of just devolvled into you saving the world by beating up a legendary the evil team summoned, but pokemons story has never been very good (i just dont think the story is necessarily the main focus of gamefreak, its not like the story alone is gonna be enough content for a year), and i honestly think this has been an improvement. the story isnt the best, but there are actually some pretty well executed moments, like the whole deal with arven and his mom/dad. i dont really feel like anyone plays for the stories, but its understandable if you think they should be better after 26 years. in my opinion, they are trying to take a new step in the right direction (more so going too far into one direction than them taking a step and them fumbling, at least that was my original point). they are trying out new concepts for pokemon, they added another battle mechanic in the form of terastilization, the game is completely open world, the animations and overall feel of the game is more fast paced (especially since you get a mount in the tutorial), new types of moves and abilities have been added like zero to hero or revival blessing (both not balanced btw), they tried a new more detailed art style, they added that 4 player thing i forgot the name of, they simplified pokemon centers, etc. etc. a lot of this stuff, when executed properly, is really beneficial to the series as a whole, and, even if it might not feel like "normal pokemon", it just gives it a breath of fresh air overall. no more 10 hour unskippable cutscenes every 12 seconds, no more linear progression styles with repetitive stories, no more spending weeks trying to grind the perfect competitive pokemon, none of that. the game just feels more streamlined, and it would arguably be the best pokemon game quality-wise if its release wasnt so shitty. i will admit, pokemon games have been getting some what worse, and a lot of the problems i talked about are stuff thats more prevalent in recent gens, i wouldnt say any of the games are bad, minus maybe bdsp. you still have the pokemon from earlier gens and there has to be at least a handful of mons you like from any gen, you still have a pretty good competitive scene, and you still get a decent main game in general. gamefreak and nintendo as a whole arent exactly the best companies in terms of business, and they dont make the best decisions, but thats more a game freak/nintendo thing than a pokemon thing. those issues have kind of seeped into the games, as in the worldbuilding, performance, and even the character designs, but i wouldnt say the games suffer too much from these issues. this issue is honestly more of a subjective one as a whole, and no matter how much we argue we probably cant come to a consensus, but as i see it, pokemon is kind of in a middle ground. the series is improving in a lot of ways, like the story (as in the main game and the actual story) and quality of life, but its also kind of slipping in other areas, aka the pokemon themself and the overall performance and look of the games. in my opinion, if we keep going in the direction game freak is going, the overall main games are gonna be more bareable and competitive is gonna be more exciting and easier to get into, however pokemon is gonna keep losing its identity. id say it has lost some of its identity which is pretty sad, i do believe the games still have some merit.
I agree with the unfair crunchtime that they were given to create games, since it did feel so unexpected to have another game the same year that legends arceus was released, but I gotta be honest I love the designs for the pokemon and the paradox and new evolutions, some of them were my new favorites like maushold, annihilape, palafin hero form, and iron bundle. But ya I do agree with everything else you mentioned in this video about their development time
Yeah sure some designs might not be the best but personally the more simple the better why do you think a lot of people like gen 1? which is why the base form gen 9 pokemon are good the simple the better.
Except people bash on gen 1 designs and praise ones between 2-4. Gen 1 is very well known in the fandom for it's very "unique" designs like seel or ratatta or ekans.
I hate that prehistoric donphan looks carnivorous and has rhose weirs lip/teeth. It feels overlydesigb with the fur and the extra spikes and the longer tusks, i looks like it cant roll
Ok you have some fair points, some pokemon have some evolution that aren't really creative or interesting but my friend chill, the story, the character design and the pokemon are fine. Of course we had the issue with the glitches but Nintendo fixed it. Don't get mad with cause it will not be the same in the future i guarantee to you. I haven't got the game yet but from some game play videos i say it's pretty good game although the only thing that bothers me is that some gyms don't have good challenges for example the electric gym type, wasn't really good
We've been advising people against buying games with shit like this since gen 6, how do you think we got here? It's because GF, TPC or whoever just keeps refusing to give proper funds and development time for the games AND the fanboys keep buying the garbage. They only give out the bare minimum because it's the most they can give under the insane 3 year crunch. Also they can't fix the game in this bad of a state. It lacks more than just optimization and ain't nothing gonna fix that.
There is no consistency anymore. Another youtube channel talked about how consistent the first 3 gens were with their eye shapes. Now everything is all over the place.
I personally like all the new Pokémon but I genuinely am trying to grasp how a Pokémon that’s an engine is a problem but the Pokémon that is actual doo doo feces isn’t
They are both problems. But one happened in a generation where objects didn’t happen as frequently maybe 6/151 vs newer games where half of the roster is humanoid or objects. Like I said in the video its the frequency that creates the issue
I dont like the game either, worst they ever made. but i like the new pokemon designs. I hate the fact though that there are only 72 new pokemon and more than half of them are new forms of old mons
I seriously don’t understand why you are complaining about Ceruledge. Besides, we’re 9 gens 1. GameFreak has the right to get creative with the creature designs. Like, do you really want everything to look like Pikachu and Gengar?
Lol I agree pokemon design went lazy But some of your points doesn’t come across Like the wooper evolution is fine and cute And the canon example is flaw because like u said ur a gen 1er Tell me which starter has canons on its back. I think ur missing the point of “paradox”
I am making no more comment response videos and no more pokemon videos for a while. I wanna do other shit. This is the last thing for a while:
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Jussa fun fact: the inventor of pokeballs was obsessed with amoongus
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I think in Gen 5 there was a definite shift in Pokemon's visual style, with Gen 7-8 turning it waaay up. Generally speaking, unevolved pokemon became less animalistic and more cartoony, with gradually-increasing head-to-body ratios and a higher occurrence of those tall, oval-shaped eyes, while evolved ones received busier designs and complex features, and are more likely to reference overtly human things.
Because the series has gone through different style phases, it's understandable that everyone would have their own favorite periods. The problem is, we've reached a point where you can place older and newer pokemon next to each other and they don't look like they came from the same franchise.
I had to force myself to like any of the new designs, I think we just became accustomed to the lackluster designs. I genuinely had a 🤨 face seeing the starter evolutions
I chose fuecoco which is (in my opinion) the best out of three so luckily i wasn't disappointed. But after seeing spirigato's evolution i know for a fact that when gen 10 comes out im going to look up the starter evolutions beforehand in case i choose one with a disappointing evolution
@@JasonClinardRoth His finally evolution really grew on me (despite the overdesigned face). One thing I would give these new Pokémon is that they have some of the coolest Pokémon cries, really unique and catchy
The same thing happened with Yugioh. Monster cards where actual monsters and grotesque things that look cool, but now every monster card played in meta is either another dragon or just a straight up human
Dude as a yugioh player, either play the game or stfu
And all these different types of summons, pendulum etc.
Makes the game way too complicated
god this shit's depressing
@@Snoop_Dugg either play the damn game or sftu
@@pieromorantearenaza4801 how? I have no idea how that shit works 🤣
This whole gens designs is exactly like that meme of the badly drawn horse with a fewe well drawn bits.
We always had some questionable designs and I feel like we started getting more and more in gen 3. Gen 4 became my favorite because it gave some really cool evolutions to older pokemon, then anything after that I don't know what happened but I will always appreciate a well designed mon whenever I see one. Gen 6 for having the best fossil pokemon. The lore of pokemon has always been messy since Gen 7 with Sun and Moon but I don't play it for the plot. I will buy the games if they have any good mons that I like and with the removal of the national dex really makes me pick and choose if I want to buy a new pokemon game or not. If I don't see anything I like then I won't buy it.
Sugimori (the guy who designed all 151 pokemon + gen 2 and some more) did say that gen 3 was much more experimental in making new sorts of designs for pokemon and seeing what the public reaction to it would be
I agree with this entire video 😭 I was surprised hearing this games release was so soon. I bet they would realize these issues if people stopped buying the game but people gonna keep buying cuz it’s Pokémon 💀
honestly, A LOT of new games that have been released recently that are like… BIG names have just been meh. All these companies just popping out games cause we keep buying. The community gives feedback and they also usually don’t listen- so it’s kinda obvious money is the main goal not the reputation or the title of producing a God level game.
Your only saying it’s released soon because legends of arceus it’s actually been 3 years since the last main Pokémon game, because of covid Pokémon released legends arceus later
You do realize the games have to come out with the anime and the cards right??
To be fair crocodiles sing in real life (It’s to attract mates)
@@tonydanatop4912 if you consider deep growling that vibrates water on their backs then sure 😂 they sing
@@deandragon4796 confused on ur point here but the diamond and pearl remakes were a year span between this games release. The diamond and pearl remakes has its own issues with me personally. BUT you could tell Arceus has time given to it.. it was released in January… THIS GAME WAS RELEASED IN NOVEMBER OF THE SAME YEAR 😭 not even a year span in between..it’s obvious they can push back dates and it’s obvious what they put time into when putting games into comparison.
This was the first pokemon game where I looked at the designs for this gen and though more were misses than hits. I like maybe 10ish pokemon of the gen, and the starters, the secondary mascot of the gen, aren't on that list
Me and my best friend have been playing the games since red and blue. We have been saying this since like gen 4. It’s progressively getting more digimon and stupid with the designs every gen. I’m glad you been thinking the same thing haha
Idk man gen 5 had some really bad designs but it had some really good ones too I mean look at the bug type Pokémon easily the best generation when it came to that at least lol
I don't really have an issue with the design of the paradox pokemons. However, I agree with you about the naming system, Game freak gave the Ultra Beasts codenames and actual names. They could have done the same for the paradox pokemons.
Sometimes I think it may be my bias as these pokemon came out after I stopped being a child. But then I remember how much I prefer the pokemon xenoverse pokedex and think maybe there is a true decline in quality.
To be fair to the Ancient Amoongus, it was never stated that the modern pokeball design came before or after Ammongus. For all we know the modern design was made by an Amoongus fan.
Also it’s speculated that all of the weird time Pokémon aren’t even meant to exist and were manifestations made by the big machine using the thoughts and imaginations of people around it. “Maybe this looked like a dinosaur in the ancient past?” And then it farted out a mushroom dinosaur which makes no god damn sense, which is the point it’s supposed to make you think “hold on, that don’t make sense, something ain’t right.”
I agree for the most part, thats why I stopped playing the games back in Sun/Moon. Wish others quit too, maybe then they would change.
To be fair to the pokemon paradox, people theorize that the machines that the teachers created are not really time machines, but that they really created a machine that makes dreams and fantasies come true, something like the unown created a castle and Entei in that old movie, if confirmed in any dlc it could explain the shape of the paradoxes since the teachers are obsessed with the past and the future, the past paradoxes (even though I like salamence, volcarona and dolphan they seem more or less plausible for a true ancient pokemon) are basically a stereotype of how we imagine cavemen and that would also explain why they have no gender since they are creations, as well as future forms that are stereotypes of how we think of the future (dolphan , delivird and gallade/gardevoir are the only ones with a salvageable design for me since at least they have a different model since the others are basically a skin of cyborg)
And speaking precisely of the paldea pokemon I agree with you, most of them are ugly, of the starters the only one that is decent is the crocodile but if at least the fire was like a real fire and not like vomit or phlegm or its head was like a crocodile skull would look like a threatening creature, seeing it from afar it looks like an old gentleman with a big nose and a bald head, and the knights look like characters from megaman.exe
Perhaps many of these designs would look better in 2d or with a more advanced graphics engine, but we already know that gamefreak is not going to change the same graphics engine that they have been using since 3ds and that already shows its years since making another one implies time and effort and that means not selling for a while
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Ghost and fairy Pokémon (depending on the specific pokemon and their concept) don't have to be believable they don't live in nature
But yeah 100% new pokemon just aren't as believable some have always existed but never as many as we do now personally my favorite pokemon are ones that incorporate human concepts while still being believable animals corviknight is easily the coolest regional bird
Unfortunately it seems alot of these new designs are popular with the people growing up now as their more use to these types of designs me included but idk something about the more believable pokemon has always been more appealing oh well ig
Their are also still plenty of believable pokemon in newer gens (6-9) it's just that their are as many unbelievable ones now that break the immersion for all of them
@anonymousthoughts3487 why i said depending on the concept not all ghost pokemon are ghost they just have a connection to ghost or something similar those should be believable aslong as they can give a good explanation for why the ghost look a certain way then its fine for them to look a bit strange same thing with fariy
Honestly, I was coming into this video with my fists in front of my face ready to defend at least a couple of Game Freaks decisions, but you bring up some really freaking powerful points that make me rethink Game Freak and Nintendo.
Perfectly good analysis while still adding your own sense of humour. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I’d like another video from you explaining your reasoning behind this philosophy that “Pokémon hasn’t been good for a long time.”
For example, where did you believe that it had fallen off?
I get not liking the wider anthropomorphization of current designs, or the fact that designs like seen in Skeledirge are pretty busy, but that being said, I have an opinion on Pokémon, and it’s this:
Darwinian evolution and the Pokémon world can’t work together perfectly.
Since Generation 1, we’ve had Pokémon emerge from piles of waste that was hit by lunar rays like Grimer, Pokémon resembling clown-like mines like Mr. Mime, literal gaseous Pokémon which are either the souls of humans or living gas from another dimension like Gastly and Haunter.
There’s been tool use since Cubone and Marowak, Machamp which seems to wear a literal wrestling belt, and Pokémon like Clefairy which somehow came to Earth from the Moon, implying life can be created there, as well.
With all that being said, how can we apply our own definitions of evolution in our world to Pokémon, a fictional series where many designs are created out of pure whimsy? It isn’t plausible for a Charizard or a Magnemite or a Dodrio to exist, yet it does, because Game Freak simply figured it’d be clever, you know?
Again, I can understand not liking for designs to be too busy, or for furries to be given more fuel in the form of Meowscarada or Quaquaval, but the designs have been this complex I feel since Generation 4, with the lore always having had mysteries and inconsistencies since Generation 1.
It’s never been perfect, but past generations can be improved by new material in later games, such as the Old Verses in Hisui giving more history not read in Canalave Library, or new evolutions to existing Pokémon.
There’s a Pokédex entry which literally says Primeape can get so angry it dies, and in Scarlet and Violet, Annihilape. SO COOL, a Ghost evolution that IMPROVES upon past material.
Eh, I mean, maybe that’s just me. Like…I feel you in some respects about simplistic designs being better, or maybe choosing to root themselves in more classical and natural designs like a creature which exists in nature, but I argue it’s never been perfect, and that it’ll be hard to market the series with brand-new Rattatas and Pidgeys and Magikarps that look plain and don’t have something cool about them.
Heck, not everything in Scarlet and Violet is even overdesigned, in my opinion.
You really don’t like Wattrel or Kilowattrel? I think it makes sense in a world of pseudo-magic creatures that a bird could generate electricity with its wings and use that same electricity to hunt fish.
But hey, maybe Pikachu having electricity to “roast berries” makes more sense to you, I don’t know.
Or heck, Tandemaus and Maushold are *literally* going by Gen 1 design philosophy, and are less goofy and wild than things like Dugtrio, Magneton, and Exeggcute.
Seriously, Exeggcute.
You think a family of white mice is less believable than a group of sentient psychic seed eggs with angry faces?
Where in your Darwinian evolution would Hitmonchan develop boxing glove hands, or for Machamp to be able to literally deliver 1000 punches in two seconds? That’s not a made-up statistic, either, check out FireRed’s Pokédex entry for Machamp.
If you’ve ever watched the anime, you realize that Hitmonlee’s legs are springs, and that’s ridiculous for a variety of reasons. How would his muscles and legs work? Are you trying to convince me that a Pokémon lacking a mouth or a nose is just running around delivering spring legged roundhouse kicks in all directions?
Darwinian evolution light influence some Pokémon here and there, but this is a world where Pokémon can be born from human ghosts getting trapped in objects by accident, or from plants and rocks and garbage suddenly gaining sentience over time and just being a species.
There’s a point where logic can’t be applied anymore, and we have to accept that the series is, always has been, and will be one which remains intentionally vague for the sake of the mystery, as well as for the sake of the joke.
We’ll never see Diglett’s feet, we’ll never know where Ditto comes from, and we’ll likely always find Jynx concerning.
But I’d argue that’s what makes Pokémon fun, even if some Pokémon now look like Yu-Gi-Oh cards from 2005.
Keep making videos, my guy. I don’t hate your opinion, I encourage you to keep discussing Pokémon, and even to keep playing Pokémon.
I have a feeling we’ll find out a lot more about Paradox Pokémon and the Terastal phenomenon in the Scarlet and Violet DLC.
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It started falling off from X&Y, arguably from Black & White too, but that was forgivable because it was a whole new continent with only new pokemon.
X and Y introduced Digimon-like mega evolution, the trend where each game had a single gimmick, rather than introducing long term strategic depth.
Double battles and triple battles have more longevity than z-moves, megas, gigantamax etc.
To be fair I think Scarlet and Violet has the best new pokemon in recent generations, as well as the most bad designs too (I haven't finished the game but the future/past pokemon look ass).
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@@Snoop_DuggBelieve it or not, I also play competitive Pokémon in the game’s official VGC ( Video Game Championship ) format, and it’s doubles.
VGC official battles have been doubles from the start, since the Gen 3 games, four versus four, and with every new mechanic, you’re actually allowed to have double battles WITH Mega Evolution, Z-Moves…last gen, Sword and Shield, we were using Dynamax and Gigantamax in competitive, and I’d argue it was a lot of fun.
Some people can’t handle all that fancy stuff, though. Having to use two Pokémon that might also be using mechanics is a lot harder than just fainting a wild Pokémon, and it’s just harder for some newer fans to process who started getting headaches from Gen 5 designs and stuff.
I’d recommend going to an old video game store, purchasing a copy of one of the Gen 3 games, and that way you can play with simpler designs like Voltorb and Ditto and Muk. That way, there’s not as much going on during a battle, and your mind and vision can more easily process what’s going on.
I mean, I’d feel terrible if somebody saw all of the details in the newer games and suffered migraines because they couldn’t handle more sophisticated designs and game mechanics, but luckily for you, there are earlier games with Pokémon designs that you could handle.
Also, if you go to a store like Half-Price Books, you could enjoy the series by going to the kid’s section and getting one of the older legacy books, so you can enjoy the designs from older games without all of the harsh flashing lights associated with the video games.
And I don’t mean any of this to be condescending AT ALL, it’s just that doubles + new designs + battle mechanics + general dynamic movement is too much for some minds to handle.
I know my dog wouldn’t be able to handle taking all of that in, so I can’t assume that some people out there would be able to handle all that, too.
If all else fails, there’s Animal Crossing, my guy.
the entire Pokedex for me overall is better then gen 8 but that's it it stops there.
Gen 8 was a low bar to be sure.
@@MunkyDrag0n true like tbh the desgins started going down hill with gen 5 but i wasn't like rapid it was a slow progression it was when we got to gen 8 where the desgin took a rapid turn for the worst.
@@MunkyDrag0n gen 8 had the best pokemon designs imo
gen 6 and 8 have the best, most consistent pokédexes in my opinion. I’d love to hear out why you feel that gen 8 is so subpar.
@@wigglermain overl most of the gen 8 designs are mid for example the starters finale Evo the look like shit and the legendaries are so mid and lore behined them is ever worse Failkings another mid design along with boltend one of the worst desgins from gen 8 . The only strong desgins from gen 8 are Corvinight and Dragabolt. The s tier desgins from gen 9 are better the strong desgins from gen 8 and there are more of them. Example Great tuck, Roaring moon . As far has gen 6 goes the gen 6 dex is far better than both gen 8 and 9 gen 6 as a lot of really good designs.
I don't hate all of them like you but this is definitely the weakest generation when it comes to pokemon designs
I think the same way
nah gen 8 is the weakest overall with gen 9 being right above it .
@@keylessdragonball1574 I think gen 8 has more strong desings
@@cesarshoonewolff9513 true but the strong designs from gen 9 make the string desgins form gen 8 look like crap for example Great Tusk, Roaring moon The box art legendarys and the starters and some others but you get it.
@@keylessdragonball1574 yes but it's for that reason, the legendaries and starters are very good together with other pokemon that were revealed before, but when I saw the rest I didn't like them and I only liked 20% of 100% of them
but it's just my opinion
4:07 Crocodilians are very vocal creatures bellowing and Hissing at 90 decibels. Egyptian Plovers are birds that have symbiotic relationships with crocodiles cleaning their teeth after kills so it becoming a mic and the crocodile singing is actually not far off logic.
People not real life educated on real life shut just fantasy and fiction 😂 closed minded beings.
@@calvinjones4480 RIP
but do you even consider that was clown ass red hair singer crocodile? its a same looking as mr mime, and jinx
Everyone saying the same thing in the comments be like:🤓
i like the paradox names bc to me its like cave man named the old ones and future humans named the future ones something quick
Blaziken was the start of all this digimon-esque design
you're free to buy and enjoy these games as they come. but we deserve better.
i was really hoping that because their doing open world now and they have to fit the pokemon into the world somehow they would naturally fall into making them look more animal ish but clearly they didint care and just slapped most of them down somewhere without thinking about it twice thank god james turner isint on the design team now
Not really on topic but question, what 6 Pokémon do you like?
I liked Skeliderge Orthworm Cetitan Clawf Baxcalibur Toadscruel
even tho i like some of the designs of 3-4 last pokemon games i agree with you
some of them are really cool but not for pokemons imo
also when less it is monster and more antro (or mb object) them it is less "pokemon" for me
I agree. I grew up with gen 1 and these newer designs look different, almost like a different show or franchise. Although the first gen also had some weird designs like magnemite and voltorb, the most designs were animal based and more sharper with longer limbs. The newer designs are rounded with short limbs and are made to look humanoid like magicians, etc. Especially the starters. I hate the designs since gen 5 but this is the worst so far. The SV games dont feel like pokemon to me. Its a huge dissapointment. There are fan art makers who can design better looking pokemon based on the old artstyle, they should have hired them.
You making too much sense. I saw some the designs and thought. "Damm this looks like Digimon". Anyways it doesn't matter since ppl gonna buy it regardless.
Bro, you are the only video I can find that talks about how bad the designs are. Now, I don't think they are all bad, but a lot of them are. gholdengo has to be the worst design I've ever seen. Then, how can suicune have a past form when it was literally created from the death of another pokemon. There literally cannot be an ancient form bc suicine didn't evolve. It was from an unnamed pokemon?
That's more bc the time machine in SV is not really a time machine, atleast it's implied that the paradox mons are not real in general, too bad this stuff is just, hidden behind books 99% of the players are gonna miss
@@chainbomb well I did watch a speculation video that all the paradox pokemon are not real. Like they were created from the mind of someone kind of thing? Is that what your saying?
@@chainbomb but idk of its bc they are all so new, but a lot of the pokemon designs this generation seem rushed or not well thought out. Not all of them of course, but some seem strange or just half baked idk?
@@MountaineerVapes Yes to the first question, and dw I do not like most of the designs this gen either, just wanted to point that out because it went over a lot of people's heads (me included until I searched up about it tbh)
Arceus could've easily held me over until 2024. Definitely agree.
I've heard the main designer of pokemon left, that's why the style is different. ths doesn't excuse stuff like Amoongus/magneton/porygon/mewtwo existing in the prehistoric past, or pokemon "evolving" into robots. I like ~20 of the new pokemon this generation, but they could be better.
I agree with mostly everything, EXCEPT, if anyone dares to call Bellibolt ugly I'm ready to duke it out with yall
This was exactly what i was thinking throughout the video lmao. I used one on a team and he was the one i used most, also his design is really simple but cool. I like how it's "eyes" are just it's organs or something and aren't actually it's eyes
Pokemon are no longer wild creatures. They are now characters with personalities and themes. And Gamefreak prioritizes those personalities and themes over the designs themselves. That’s the best way I can explain it.
For example, Skeledirge has the singer theme, and also the bird theme. Gamefreak obviously prioritized getting those themes across in the design. But that makes the design just…weird. They were too focused on the themes rather than the visual appeal of Skeledirge. Another example is Quaquaval - they focused too much on the dancer theme without thinking about the visual appeal. Gholdengo is an especially disgusting example - it has a surfer theme, a trophy theme, and a coin theme, which all results in a really awkward design. I could go on.
It’s a case of 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
The open world mechanics are really good, but the battle gimmicks do not have longevity.
these designs really suck
I AGREE
Evolution in pokemon is pretty much like metamorphosis.
Much like how bugs evolved a larval state donphan may have evolved a pre evolution.
Tho paradox pokemon may not truly be past forms because they were made by a dream machine.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!
This even spreads to the regular Pokémon, Bellibolt, Grafaiai, Scovillain, and Brambleghast all look like middle stages, yet they’re the final stage?!! Their designs just look unfinished it’s like if Haunter didn’t evolve into Gengar or Graveler into Golem. It sucks cuz those lines had so much potential yet they gave Pawmi a three stage line where they all look the exact god damn same.
I have to agree as the franchise since generation six for me the designs has started to become less and less interesting to me. The terrible story and nerfs to pokemon aside, I just lost interest in the franchise and I am close to thirty also. Either we had just outgrown the franchise due to it not meeting our childhood expectations "google that" and it is not as immersive as it used to be. It is just a soulless company pumping out the brand for currency and throwing a few classic pokemans from generation one and now two to get the nostalgic consumers to return for maximum profit.
points were made. love this video.
These designs are amazing, easily far better than most Gen 1 Pokemons ( except the iconic ones ).
You are out your mind gen 1 n 2 weer very consistent the last gen where most of the pokemon designs were hits really been hit or miss since gen 5
There’s a theory that the paradox pokemon aren’t named correctly for reasons we will find out in the dlc. And I hope it’s right. Basically the names are censored or the paradox mons are just what we thought they were in the past/future and not actually real
The designs that make gen 9 overall better than gen 8 is the Legendary. The Box Legendarres from a desgins standpoint are way betetr then gen 8 along with great Tusk and Roaring moon . There are some other decent desgins Like Skeladirge and the regional brid mon . The main issue with gen 9 is that there are way more bad to mid desgins then atually good ones.
gen 8 has some of the most solid and 'makes sense' designs for pokemon, compared to gen 9 (way less flops/mid/horrible evos). Idk how gen 9 had so many bad designs, missed opportunities to evolve pokemon or when it does evolve them, the evolutions look the same or uglier. However the main legendaries for gen 9 are cooler/better than just dog with weapon and there are some bangers in the dex.
Lmao you're kidding right? Those shitty motorcycle lizards look horrible compared to Zacian and Zamazenta. Foh. Gen 9 is terrible. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
I do have to agree, Koraidon and Miraidon are pretty cool.
am i saying pokemon cant hold things? no. my favorite pokemon of all time is farfetch'd and he's a duck that holds a leek at all times, but that doesnt make him grass/flying
I think I just figured out how it feels to be a genoner
I don't really get it. I'm not like a die hard fan but i've played every game past gen 3. And there's nothing to really like about this game. It's horribly buggy, clearly rushed, and nothing is realized to its full potential. But then i go on twitter and everyone *fucking loves it.* i mean maybe i could just chock it up to a generational divide but like, i'm only 19. I AM gen z. It's like i'm walking into a different universe. It's so bizarre. Because i know if it was any other triple AAA game franchise it would be ripped to shreds. It weirds me out hard.
coming into this video im probs gonna agree with all your points just dont joke about my Homie orthworm.
yeah i agree. i remember watching other videos where CZcamsrs ranked the new 'mons. and every time they gave one a compliment i would think "what? really? but it's so ugly." that dolphin thing is one of my least favorite. such an awful design for a Pokémon. and i actually like Incineroar. i agree that some of the prevos are cute. except for the paint monkey thing. that thing was pretty solid, i thought. but the prevo is so hideous. and completely unnecessary. i remember watching Arlo's review, and when he said the best thing about the new generation is the new Tenticool variant i was like "yeah! okay. i can agree with this."
anyways....🙄
I am not actually a gen 1ner. I was being dramtic. My fav gen is 4
From Gen 5 onward you can see the designs getting more ugly and nonsensical. Besides a few bizarre entries such as Magnemite and Voltorb, Gen 1-4 was clean. Those creatures could reasonably exist in the wild in some alternate version of Earth. Gen 5 we got Pokemon carrying man-made objects, wearing human clothing prominently, and living trash. Gen 6 we got living keys and desserts not for any in-universe justified purpose. Gen 7's total problem was too much anthropomorphizing. Gen 8 continued that but added wild concepts like more food, a building dragon, and ugly as sin fossils/G-max Pokemon. Gen 9 is everything wrong with the previous regions turned up another notch. Nothing makes sense. There is no identity left. Gamefreak has lost the narrative. They've clearly given up in design, programming and lore.
Gen 5 has like the best designs in the series bro wtf you on about
Garbador seems more like a Pokémon/creature that adapted to city life. The Dex states that it’s a living creature that covers itself in garbage and not garbage that magically came to life. But yeah, the random anthropomorphizing and just throwing an object and saying “hey it’s alive!” Sucks, only ghosts types get away with it because of possession.
@@norock_ That is not an objection to what i wrote. You may think it is, but it's not. Gen 5 may simultaneously have the best designs and be the start of bad designs. Samurott, krookodile, & haxorus among others are brilliant designs. Others are not so good.
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 Wrong. The pokedex states it eats garbage making it a part of its body. That is a nonsensical claim to the point of being magic. If it is a slimey life form with garbage simply stuck on it, then why does it have full control over the pipes as seen in the anime? It becomes garbage.
Otherwise, i think you understand my claim. Take a look at cryogonal. I think it is the epitome of bad design which we see all over again in garganacl.
@@norock_ the embryo or the ice creams or the genies?or the chandalier or the gears or the coffin i guess.or sock and throw
is ok not everyone has a intelligence of a ham sandwich now i feel bad for the ham sandwich
I think the worst part of the whole "ancient pokemon" plothole shit is that we JUST had legends arceus. Wasnt that supposed to be the ancient shit with hisuian forms?
armarouge and ceruledge are armor evolutions
I'm pretty sure it's because of the mega laser back in gen 5 so that the ancient Pokémon became immortal. This would explain why they don't have pre evolutions. As for violet. The Pokémon all died out and so humans re built them. Except iron bundle who was built by a ancient civilization
If they can bring back fossil pokemon why/how tf would all the pokemon die out? Bring them back.
Fossils literally have no genetic material left and they can still bring back aerodactyl. That don’t make any god damn sense.
I also wanna clear up that I aint mad at you. I am mad at it
The next person that brings up Hitmonchan or Jynx to me as a counter argument is getting blocked. 1. I made a video addressing them already
2. I HATE THEM. THAT IS NOT A GOTCHA CUZ I HATE THEM SO MUCH
The only pokemon that i liked in this generation is that salt thing and New pseudo legendary
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Hey, we FINALLY got a Dolphin Pokemon and, if nothing else, at least Palafin should be loved and protected. 😤
They made it stand up. They made it buff and made it stand up. You deserve an actually good dolphin.
@@mohatesmedia5170 It's part of the Theme they went with it... it becomes a Superhero... that's why, when it Transforms like that, it's Stats become super amazing, lol... and if someone doesn't like that Superhero Form, (I personally kinda like it,) they don't have to use it really, as it only goes into that form by switching out and switching back in. The Stats of the base Palafin Form might not be super good, but my favorite Pokemon is Wailord, so I'm used to loving Pokemon who don't necessarily have the best Stats or should have better Stats anyway, lol... but you're Complaint about the Pokemon's looks is purely Subjective. A Dolphin standing up like that isn't a new or a unique Concept for a Dolphin or Fish like Character. Plenty of other Dolphin/Fish Cartoon Characters before have had that same kinda Concept or look... of standing on it's hind fin as if it was legs. The Prehistoric and Future Pokemon Complaints, yeah, I can see that. Especially about them not even having real Pokemon names. It's kinda annoying, but these names probably sound better or make more sense in Japanese. It's almost like how the Native Americans would name themselves... I mean, if you hear what their name sounds like in their language, it sounds cool... but then you learn that the name is literally just, "Little Bear," or something like that, lol. Ya know what I mean?? It's all Subjective and there have always been at least some Pokemon in a Pokemon Game that seem like they don't even fit or seem like they don't belong, or Subjectively, that don't make sense and People don't like the Designs of... going all the way back the Gen 1 even. Exeggcute and Exeggutor, anyone?? Like, what the F**K even is it?? Lol.
@kriz2432 m8, you're right. These are subjective.
This video is also a subjective video
Let my man rant about whatever he wants to get out of his chest. We all gone through stuff like this.
Pokemon Scarlet was actually my first game 💀, I liked it at first but then i started playing other Pokemon titles and realized that it just sucks ass, i can't even draw a single pokemon other than sprigatito from how overdesigned they were. And i agree about the Pokemon not feeling like creatures who'd thrive in a complex ecosystem, it just straight up feels like a tame Rainfurrest.
Wtf the story was probably the best and I grew up in the mid of gens with Gen 4-5. I have been extremely critical with the new games. These designs are not ugly have u seen Gen 5? This was a good game no not amazing open world was not my thing with Pokémon. But the designs all of it was good. Elite 4 and champion tho? Complete joke. Second worst behind X and y. And this is coming from someone who plays every gym leader and elite 4 etc with Pokémon 2-3 levels lower.
You can’t say the story was good and then say the elite 4 was bad. They are a whole third of the story.
@@mohatesmedia5170 dude difficulty and story are completely different things 💀💀💀
As my first pokemon game, this was an awesome experience. The open world mechanic works amazing. However, i know that this pokedex is one of the worst ever. I love a lot of previous gen pokemon that im sad are not in this game. Almost all pokemon feel very new to me, so i don’t care a lot about the new ones being bad.
Clodsire is BABY but otherwise I agree, I’m not big on most of the designs, they are too complex and too human looking in most cases, a lot of them were just plain ugly this generation. I prefer animal/plant based or mythology based Pokémon over robots and cars. I was a bit more upset over the designs than the state of the game at release, they can update the game but these designs will be with us forever 🤣
Also do Pokémon from the past (specifically from this game bc fossils can breed) not have genders? If Cyclizar has a gender why doesn’t Koriadon? If one is an earlier version of the species/ a common ancestor why can’t they breed/ have genders. And how did cyclizar get so ugly and why is it half the size of it’s previous and future self? too many questions
Though a manaphy/ phione situation with cyclizar and either box legendary would have been fun
Bro N spittin
While I agree that Pokémon are becoming a lot more character focused and humanoid in design I’d also like to point out that it’s not a new concept in Pokémon at all, for instance hypno, jinx and Alakazam all possess objects or clothing that defy what is natural in nature. I think the difference between the “older designs” compared to the gen 9 ones are that each new design are trying to sell an archetype. They’re trying to turn each new Pokémon into a character rather than a creature.
It aint a new concept but it is overused. We can’t levy that at older mon because it hadn’t become as frequent of a problem yet. The 8 out of 151 that were like that are different than the 40 out of 95 that do it every gen now
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Blastoise has cannons tbf
And I don’t like Blastoise so
it's fine dude, not everyone can appreciate designs more complex than "rock with arms" and "ball with two magnets".
Yes because him wanting natural designs that conform to a reality within the pokemon world as it were means he wants ridiculously simple designs and nothing complex at all. Ironically your take here is terribly simple.
@@BryanB2o11 also, Norock spoke as if “rock with arms” and “ball with two magnets” were the only Pokémon from the first gen… when obviously not all Pokémon are good, at least MOST of the original 151 were consistent and GOOD… most Pokémon from gen 9 just look awful imo
@@bislacha1148 Gen 1 pokemon allegedly had to be very simple due to the gameboy's limited processing power. As technology became more advanced they kept getting more and more complex with the designs without realizing "just because you can doesn't mean you should". It's about progressing while maintaining an identity, which is what Gamefreak lost.
@@bislacha1148 well that's the thing, design isn't just about one person thinking they look better, design has purpose. Newer pokemon include a ton of references to the cultures of their regions, I'm not saying gen 1 is a bad gen design wise, but the only real criticism in the video is "they look like digimon they're too complex" (since saying "that's ugly" isn't really a criticism worth addressing). And well, the same criticism people have had since gen 5 "it's literally trash, it's literally an ice cream" while gen 1 was 1 thing + 1 other thing or also straight up a cartoon from something real. The guy in the video literally said "I have no background in design" so idk why you would try to so fiercely defend a non-argument.
@@BryanB2o11 Bruh, he literally says the designs are too complex. Also it's been over 25 years since gen 1 came out, I'm happy designs don't stay the same. I don't like every design in gen 9, but the criticism in this video is just not it. I vastly prefer some good and some bad over the same kind of design 900+ pokemon in.
Dang
As someone who was 7 when red & blue came out in the 90s, I hate the designs for most pokemon after gen 2 (arguably 3, but there's some kanto-ish looking gen 3 pokemon like wailmer, vigoroth, etc).... I actually like farigiraf, cetitan, clodsire, bramblin, flamigo, Great Tusk, Slither Wing, and Roaring Moon. The others are questionable though. Sinnoh though, sinnoh is the epitome of the ugliest gen. Stunky/Skuntank, Bronzor/Bronzong, Leafeon and Glaceon are the only decent pokémon-ish designs in sinnoh. I can't believe so many ppl defend sinnoh, it's so so ugly.
I do totes agree with that... the Game def needed more time in the oven, lol.
I can think Scarlet and Violet are fun, while also acknowledging these games were released as un-finished turds because Nintendo and Gamefreak have a huge problem with the way they handle pokemon. They either need to give a larger more capable company the rights to make pokemon games, or stop trying to release games along the stupid friggin anime. Who plays pokemon games because of the Anime? They essentially only want to use the anime as a marketing tactic to build hype for their otherwise un-finished turd games that will sell 10 million copies in a week regardless, because pokemon fans have high expectations for such a mishandled failure of a company just because they are nostalgic for the awesome games they grew up with.
maybe they are tired of animal like designs?
Pokemon are animals. They are the local fauna. They should look like fauna or at least a large percent of them should.
In defense of the ancient Pokemon, it was never stated that these Pokemon don't have pre-evolutions. There might be an ancient ground fighting Phanpy in the past. Still doesn't make sense, the concept of futuristic Pokemon being more powerful makes more sense than old Pokemon de-evolving over time.
Not that I am a very big fan of the futuristic Pokemon. I get that these are past and future forms, but they leaned too hard into the "dinosaur" and "Robot" theme. Some robots are cool, some dinosaurs are cool, but I feel they could have expanded beyond "future = robot" or "past = dinosaur". Oh well...
y…you don’t like clodsire? 🥺
Truth
I agree with you about the Paradox Forms: fundamentally, they make no fucking sense (like Paradox Amoongus, like you brought up, who literally evolved to mimic Pokéballs: it would make no logical sense for it to still have the pattern in prehistoric times where THERE WERE NO POKÉBALLS) and the entire reason they even exist is for senseless nostalgia bait. Seriously, that's all Pokémon has become: a nostalgia-trap that's only purpose is raking in money from thoughtless shills.
pokemon evolution doesnt work like real world evolution and its been like that forever (whether intended or not). if it truly worked the way it did in the real world, 2 evolved pokemon that breed would make a baby version of that evolution instead of just the pre-evolution/pre-pre-evolution of that pokemon that can also evolve into... that pokemon. that was a lot of words but u get the point... probably. im not saying this is an excuse to just wildly misinterpret the idea of evolution, but i feel like you can give the ancient pokemon a pass.
speaking on evolution, i think this new direction is just gamefreak evolving as well. the pokemon series, as a whole, has been about building bonds and GROWING with your pokemon and the people you meet along the way, so i think its fitting that more and more concepts get added to really spice up the games. im not saying older pokemon are "boring" by any means, im just saying that these newer pokemon due to their more "complex" nature are more interesting and it shows that these pokemon have a lot of effort put into their overall designs (visually and characteristically). do i think pokemon might be doing too much "evolving", probably, but do i think its a net negative, probably not. also, when you think about it, wouldnt it just make sense for certain pokemon to evolve based on humans? like, we and humans and pokemon have a lot of simuiarities (genetically speaking) even since the earlier gens and, well, pokemon just live around humans alot, so it would make sense for them to evolve like us since they are pretty intelligent compared to any other animals in the real/pokemon world.
as for the ancient and future pokemon, this is a really good point i didnt think about. the ancient pokemon do kind of mess up the lore, but like i said, pokemon and humans are pretty similar so you can at least kind of explain them with that (minus brute bonnet and kinda sandy shocks). as for the future pokemon, they really could just be mechs, but again, humans are slowly replacing a lot of aspects of society with technology, so i could see pokemon adapting to that and, in turn, becoming mechanical themselves. technology has a lot of disadvantages, but at its core it would be an evolutionary advantage to become bio-technological or however u say it. also, i kind of like the paradox pokemon names, like maybe ancient humans somehow found out about them and gave them these titles. its not very likely that humans of today wouldnt change those names or at least give them new ones, but still. i feel like gamefreak doesnt put too much focus on the lore, more so just game design in general, but it wouldve been nice if they tried to keep it more consistent (even if game design matters more).
also, really quickly, i dont know how long this was intended for the pokemon series as a whole, but people in ancient times used to be pokemeon/used to do stuff like... "breed" with them. i feel like that fact can kind of explain the more complex pokemon, since they are basically evolutions of what we humans evolved from, but i still wouldnt say it fully excuses all the humanoid pokemon/pokemon with human features and characteristics.
ur 100% right about them needing more time to make games. releasing a game every year is difficult, and it shows that the devs have to cut corners in certain areas to meet deadlines.
at the end of the day, i think pokemon is stepping in the right direction when it comes to the games quality wise (pokemon scarlet and violet fixed so many issues with pokemon, like the repetitiveness and slow main game), but as for world building, its more complicated. to put it in simple terms, id say they are stepping in the right direction, but they are just doing it too quickly. pokemon as a whole cant just stay the same funny birds and rats game for 9 generations, but i also dont think we necessarily need stuff like robot delibird. the series has kinda lost its original charm, but i feel like they more so replaced it with something a little more... "modern" rather than just only a loss. i feel like where a lot of people either dont focus on the worldbuilding or are simply onboard with everything gamefreak does, its refreshing to someone give criticisms with some level of merit. however, i feel like this video is an example of a point of view that goes too far in the opposite direction, to put it on way. i feel like we, as a whole, should find some sort of middle ground, where pokemon doesnt just stay the same forever, but it also doesnt change too much and lose the feeling of... pokemon.
So two things:
Pokemon def tries the darwinian evolution thing. They have fossils and mew exist and mews lore is based in darwinism. They allude to the concept or out right make pokemon predicated on it. To say they don’t have it in the games or at least try to ignores pokedex entries and game mechanics they have had from the beginning and our confusion/disagreement is my point. They don’t mesh well. And when they draw attention to it by making a plot about it it gets bad. I shouldn’t be able to poke holes in them this quickly by remembering things. They have been doing this for 26 years.
2. All of what you said can be true and the pokemon can still look more animalistic. Nothing you said about concepts growth or change inherently addresses my issues. It actually exacerbates them. I don’t want my bond with pet to give it thumbs and culture because I have no business owning something that sentient and making it fight while saying its my friend and calling it an it. The game is buggy, the story is a mess and they haven’t had good design balance since around gen 6. They are a multimillion dollar company. These are not growing pains. They are making bad decisions. And because we keep paying them and because nintendo on the business end is low key evil this shit is gonna get worse. They aren’t stepping into a new direction and them stumbling. They are making hard decisions to cut corners because despite being one of the richest developers in the game they are constantly behind on tech, performance, and games. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into using full sized discs 20 years after disc tech happened because it was cheaper to continue to use cartridges or smaller discs. They aren’t having oopsies. They just suck. And they are making the choice to continue to suck on purpose and pokemon suffers because of it. This shit is gonna get worse. We do not owe them grace. It has been 20+ years since gen 1. They know better.
1. i do agree that a lot of the games lore is based on darwinian evolution, im just simply pointing out the fact that evolution as a whole has only been losely adapted into pokemon. even if it plays a major role in pokemon, its far from a 1 to 1 comparison (which is to be expected).
2. a lot of what i said was mainly just to provide explanations for the plot holes you gave. they arent the best explanations, and i dont even know if i 100% agree with them, but i also wouldnt say they are complete trash either.
i feel like the whole concept of making pets fight for you in pokemon just opens a whole can of worms that isnt very easy to close. i can understand if u dont like the idea that you force sentient beings to fight for you, and when u start to ask if its consensual it gets pretty messy. i really dont want to talk about the problem much, but even then, looking at pokemon through that lense is gonna make the series as a whole look bad, not just the later generations (although you can say it was amplified).
as for the bugs, they are unacceptable, and although its not like the game is made completely unplayable it is still annoying and probably shouldve been fixed by now.
when it comes to pokemon stories, at the very least its different. more recent gen's stories have kind of just devolvled into you saving the world by beating up a legendary the evil team summoned, but pokemons story has never been very good (i just dont think the story is necessarily the main focus of gamefreak, its not like the story alone is gonna be enough content for a year), and i honestly think this has been an improvement. the story isnt the best, but there are actually some pretty well executed moments, like the whole deal with arven and his mom/dad. i dont really feel like anyone plays for the stories, but its understandable if you think they should be better after 26 years.
in my opinion, they are trying to take a new step in the right direction (more so going too far into one direction than them taking a step and them fumbling, at least that was my original point). they are trying out new concepts for pokemon, they added another battle mechanic in the form of terastilization, the game is completely open world, the animations and overall feel of the game is more fast paced (especially since you get a mount in the tutorial), new types of moves and abilities have been added like zero to hero or revival blessing (both not balanced btw), they tried a new more detailed art style, they added that 4 player thing i forgot the name of, they simplified pokemon centers, etc. etc. a lot of this stuff, when executed properly, is really beneficial to the series as a whole, and, even if it might not feel like "normal pokemon", it just gives it a breath of fresh air overall. no more 10 hour unskippable cutscenes every 12 seconds, no more linear progression styles with repetitive stories, no more spending weeks trying to grind the perfect competitive pokemon, none of that. the game just feels more streamlined, and it would arguably be the best pokemon game quality-wise if its release wasnt so shitty. i will admit, pokemon games have been getting some what worse, and a lot of the problems i talked about are stuff thats more prevalent in recent gens, i wouldnt say any of the games are bad, minus maybe bdsp. you still have the pokemon from earlier gens and there has to be at least a handful of mons you like from any gen, you still have a pretty good competitive scene, and you still get a decent main game in general.
gamefreak and nintendo as a whole arent exactly the best companies in terms of business, and they dont make the best decisions, but thats more a game freak/nintendo thing than a pokemon thing. those issues have kind of seeped into the games, as in the worldbuilding, performance, and even the character designs, but i wouldnt say the games suffer too much from these issues. this issue is honestly more of a subjective one as a whole, and no matter how much we argue we probably cant come to a consensus, but as i see it, pokemon is kind of in a middle ground. the series is improving in a lot of ways, like the story (as in the main game and the actual story) and quality of life, but its also kind of slipping in other areas, aka the pokemon themself and the overall performance and look of the games. in my opinion, if we keep going in the direction game freak is going, the overall main games are gonna be more bareable and competitive is gonna be more exciting and easier to get into, however pokemon is gonna keep losing its identity. id say it has lost some of its identity which is pretty sad, i do believe the games still have some merit.
I agree with the unfair crunchtime that they were given to create games, since it did feel so unexpected to have another game the same year that legends arceus was released, but I gotta be honest I love the designs for the pokemon and the paradox and new evolutions, some of them were my new favorites like maushold, annihilape, palafin hero form, and iron bundle. But ya I do agree with everything else you mentioned in this video about their development time
mausehold sucks so bad it's so stupid design and even though I like iron bundle and I like delibird iron bundle is such a stupid name omg
@@user-tw5sz6wj9u I mean alright? It isnt gonna change my opinion on them I still like them alot
I have a question is this Pokémon game a pass or not because I pass on the last one because I didn't like the concept
Yeah sure some designs might not be the best but personally the more simple the better why do you think a lot of people like gen 1? which is why the base form gen 9 pokemon are good the simple the better.
Except people bash on gen 1 designs and praise ones between 2-4. Gen 1 is very well known in the fandom for it's very "unique" designs like seel or ratatta or ekans.
I hate that prehistoric donphan looks carnivorous and has rhose weirs lip/teeth. It feels overlydesigb with the fur and the extra spikes and the longer tusks, i looks like it cant roll
Have to add ya do some battles
Ok you have some fair points, some pokemon have some evolution that aren't really creative or interesting but my friend chill, the story, the character design and the pokemon are fine. Of course we had the issue with the glitches but Nintendo fixed it. Don't get mad with cause it will not be the same in the future i guarantee to you. I haven't got the game yet but from some game play videos i say it's pretty good game although the only thing that bothers me is that some gyms don't have good challenges for example the electric gym type, wasn't really good
Why should he chill? He's just sharing his thoughts on a game's design choices
@@Jay-kx5cb i know and i didn't mean it in a bad way
We've been advising people against buying games with shit like this since gen 6, how do you think we got here? It's because GF, TPC or whoever just keeps refusing to give proper funds and development time for the games AND the fanboys keep buying the garbage. They only give out the bare minimum because it's the most they can give under the insane 3 year crunch.
Also they can't fix the game in this bad of a state. It lacks more than just optimization and ain't nothing gonna fix that.
There is no consistency anymore. Another youtube channel talked about how consistent the first 3 gens were with their eye shapes. Now everything is all over the place.
I personally like all the new Pokémon but I genuinely am trying to grasp how a Pokémon that’s an engine is a problem but the Pokémon that is actual doo doo feces isn’t
They are both problems. But one happened in a generation where objects didn’t happen as frequently maybe 6/151 vs newer games where half of the roster is humanoid or objects. Like I said in the video its the frequency that creates the issue
@@mohatesmedia5170 there's more object mon in the old games than Paldea. Paldea only had the engines and salt pokemon.
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Your point is being addressed here
I dont like the game either, worst they ever made. but i like the new pokemon designs. I hate the fact though that there are only 72 new pokemon and more than half of them are new forms of old mons
The designs aren’t getting worse, you guys are getting older.
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No.
2 things can be true at once
No good sir it's called there's a line when it comes to Pokemon Designs
Drink milk bud
I seriously don’t understand why you are complaining about Ceruledge.
Besides, we’re 9 gens 1. GameFreak has the right to get creative with the creature designs.
Like, do you really want everything to look like Pikachu and Gengar?
Legit hate those two so no
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I understand your point, but I don’t think the anthropomorphism is as prominent a thing as you think.
Nah clodsire is peak. U tripping
Mostly every Pokémon in this region is good wdym
Mostly?! Lol
@@monfilamon3984 Maschiff sucks major ass, but I feel like every other one is spot on.
I gave up pokemon where you literally give people a flamingo with a name similar to a one piece villain
Half of then look like digimon ngl
Amoongus -> Pokéballs
There’s nothing wrong with Bellibolt, and everything wrong with its prevolution.
Fair point about the Future Paradox forms tbh. Very lackluster, futuristic doesn’t automatically mean robotic.
Totally agréé agree with you! Gen9 is the ugliest ever in terms of designs!
Lol I agree pokemon design went lazy
But some of your points doesn’t come across
Like the wooper evolution is fine and cute
And the canon example is flaw because like u said ur a gen 1er
Tell me which starter has canons on its back.
I think ur missing the point of “paradox”
Lit when you are a boomer:
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