Yes, both the arguments haters use to discredit Jordan and LeBron are so regurgitated and completely untrue it’s obnoxious and insufferable to have any type of discussion regarding the G.O.A.T debate and all-time great players on social media
Appreciating both MJ and LeBron seems to be impossible nowadays. Jordan in MY OPINION is still the greatest to touch a basketball. But that doesn't stop me from being a fan of LeBron. Just appreciate what LeBron is doing and respect and acknowledge what MJ did in the past. Don't spread factually invalid arguments that are rooted in emotion.
Daiton There are still people who don't understand that just because you like one player more, that doesn't mean everyone else is trash and you have to downplay their accolades for a millionaire who doesn't even know you.
Been saying this for years! Grew up a Jordan fan, but it doesn’t mean I can’t also be a fan of Lebron or even Kobe. That’s why I hate the 🐐 argument. There is no clear cut 🐐. I consider it more greatest of their era.
Blind stat readers kill me. I say it all the time. If you choose to read stats over understanding the game you're irrelevant. This kid at work thinks Russel Westbrook is better than KD for averaging a triple double the last two seasons. Just ridiculousness.
whoeveriwantobe- Yeah. It's sad when some people try to say "Jordan had no help. Then quote the PPG of his teammates". The Bulls were great Defensively and on the Boards. So I guess it's harder for some fans to see how good they actually were...
Andy Mejia- That's why I find it difficult at times to rate guys like Wilt and Russell. I didn't really see them play or know the CONTEXT of that era of basketball. I just have a stats and a few video clips to go by.
You know what's sad? Absolutely nobody talks about Scottie Pippen for his own merits. He was Kawhi before Kawhi but the only reason we talk about him is to either elevate or belittle Jordan. He's treated like a bum by Jordan fans and is considered a top 15 player by LeBron fans. Sad.
@@tankwhite.7036 its not lies. Half of those players on the Pistons weren’t old. 30 wasn’t old, if a player retired around 33 then they probably had injuries
Players like jordan and timmy will get a ring once they had good teams. That 2007 cavs that lebron had would have won a ring or two if they had players like duncan or jordan. Jordan ans duncan were both elite on both ends of the court and can dominate the game on offense and defense because they have rocksolid fundamentals even before they got to the nba.
I hate that argument so much. Pop is a good coach but dude had a terrible record the year before Duncan got drafted, they acting like the coach just carries teams easily or something. Phil did never miss the playoffs but he got outed from Chicago right when the main core broke up and then he went to coach a superstar Shaq with an up and coming all star Kobe and then he retired right when Pau declined and got too old and Kobe was getting up in age
MJ got through the Pistons because Isiah Thomas, the captain and most valuable player of the team, was coming off an injury that took him half of the season. As for the rest your right.
He never mentioned why The 6'9" players average more assist, but gave the reason that LeBron played power forward a lot for him averaging more rebounds which is a lie. Dan Majerle played Small Forward not shooting guard and was actually horrible on defense he was really slow and was over hyped because he was white. He never mentioned Reggie Lewis who gave Michael Jordan hell on both ends of the court blocking Michael Jordan shot 4 times in 1 game.
Maybe not. I start to watch NBA in 1994, so maybe the Jordan than I watch wasn't the best Jordan, but he was enough good to win 3 rings after he came back. LeBron is a really good player, the best than I can watch after Jordan (he is better than Kobe for sure), but Jordan played against so many good players, without a all star center and still dominate. Let's be honest, the centers dominated the NBA since the beginning. If you look at all the MVP, there are many more centers than other positions. Jordan played against David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Mutombo, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon and Alonso Mourning, and power forwards like Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone, Shaw Kemp and Charles Barkley. That was just amazing. LeBron played against many good players too, like Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitsky, etc. but the 90 was harder. I'm glad to watch those amazing careers, and LeBron is the only one who actually we can compare with Jordan. He isn't better, but be in this conversation is enough.
Philipp Ghadiri I lag every time when people say the name Rodman. Because... Who is Rodman? He never charge a team. He was a role player, a good one, but a role player. Without the right team, he was nobody. In San Antonio and Lakers he do nothing. The real all star was Pippen. Compare that with Orlando, with Grant, Penny and Shaq. Young Shaq and young healthy Penny. Or Seattle with young Gary Payton, young Shaw Kemp. Maybe the only two old all star was Stockton and Malone, but they were really good with that age, and the rest of the team was young enough to make a good fight.
Magic Johnson wasn't at the tail end of his career. Yes, in retrospect he was. But taking AIDS out of it, he was 2nd in MVP in '91 and was still just 31-years-old (birthdayAugust 14, 1959) when they lost to the BULLS in the FINALS. Magic was still in his prime. Worthy, Scott, Perkins, and A.C. Green were all in their primes (all under 30), and replacing an old Kareem with a very young Vlade Divac and Elden Campbell is pretty good all things considered.
@@thecommenter7405 Youngsters don't know this. The Bulls were still on the rise in 91. They only proved they could beat the Pistons. The Lakers led by Magic was the experienced Finals team.
@ScepticalCynic The Bulls won multiple games before they got Injured and Kareem was on his downside, Divac was certainly not as good as prime Kareem, but a decent replacement for old Kareem. Even with Kareem were swept by the Pistons
@@evanfabio8253 MJ has 1668 total offensive boards averaged 1.6 per game. Would've been 1.7 if he didnt play on the wizards. LBJ has 1386 total offensive rebounds. And averages 1.2 per game. Look it up on basketballreference.com see for yourself
Maybe, but without context it means nothing. He was a good rebounder but let's not act like he battled Ewing Hakeem and Shaq for half of his rebounds lol. Bron still the better rebounder, not that it means something.
If you look at the 1996 NBA finals for MJ more specifically the last 3 games, you can see how much of an impact it was when Gary Payton was guarding him. Yes the Bulls still won but the defence was shown.
MJ was the first out of only three players to ever record 200+ steals with 100+ blocks in a season, and the only one to do so twice (in a row for good measure), earning him the DPOY. He reached the 200 mark for steals six times in his career, peaking at 259 stls plus 131 blks in '88. LeBron's peak is 177 stls in '05 & 93 blks in '09. Three-pointers is the only category that's higher in today's era compared to the 80s. Field goal percentage, offensive rebounds (all-time low at single digits per game in 2018), assists, steals, blocks, etc... are all down. Back in the late 20th century; annual assists leaders typically reached the 900+ total mark (Stockton peaked at 1164), steals leaders with 200+ (A. Robertson at 301), and blocks leaders with 300+ (Eaton at 456). In the post-2000 era; such marks were only reached twice, thrice, and once (85 games played by Ratliff) respectively; all before the 2010s except for assists in 2017. Draymond led the league with 2.03 spg that same year and A. Davis with 2.57 bpg the following season, both all-time lows. The 1984 draft alone provided a yearly race for the steals title between MJ, Stockton (all-time steals leader), and A. Robertson (all-time spg leader); plus Hakeem as the only center to record 200+ steals. Guards won the DPOY five times in the 80s, once in the 90s, and zero so far in the new millennium.
Kids haven’t watched MJ games/highlights because they’re scared of the fact they’ll see a player superior to their idols (whether it be Kobe or LeBron). You can clearly see by the eye test who the most skilled player of all time is by watching his playoff performances and how easy he made it look. They say “you guys act like MJ is god”, basically on the court he was the closest thing to it
Gerald Wilkins and John Starks also guarded MJ as well as one could. I remember GW even being dubbed the “MJ stopper” at one point. Both of them played MJ in his heyday.
"Magic Johnson was on the tail end of his career" False. Magic was still in his prime in 1990-91 Season Magic won back to back LEAGUE MVPS The year before the finals
@@tj5180 Dan Majerle played SMALL FOWARD not shooting guard. LEBRON JAMES never played the Majority of any season at POWER FORWARD. He Conveniently didn't add Reggie Lewis who gave Jordan the most trouble on both ends of the court blocking his shot 4 times in 1 game and dropping 30 plus on him like nothing. He never explained why LeBron average more assist, even tho he supposedly played power forward a lot which we all know is a lie. He never put up the fact that most of the shooting guards was 6'3" or 6'4" that guarded MJ. Gary Payton 6'4", Derek Harper 6'3", Joe Dumars 6'4".....and the list go's on.
@@tj5180 That's 7-8 players out of hundreds and 2 of those are point guards and 1 is a small forward. I saw his whole career including his college career so I saw the players who defended him so stop it most were smaller than him.
Well in the FInals, he never choked like LeBron in 2011, not even close - his worst series in Finals was 1996 and he still was much better than LeBron in 2011
Zion Jasso lmao that was his first postseason back after playing baseball for 2 years😂 the fact that he could do that and still be expected to deliver clutch performances like he was in his prime is what makes him the goat
Even Isiah Thomas himself said why the Pistons lost to the Bulls, its when MJ stopped playing hero ball and started hitting options in the offense, rather than trying to do everything himself, so when people say "they got old" its clear they don't remember it well or their subjectivity has swayed their perspective over time.
“ Jordan being guarded by old white guys” I hate that excuse the NBA was 10000X more physical back in the day if blow on someone it’s a foul now it’s easier to score now than back then
Physicality doesn’t mean good. Nowadays it appears people can’t play defense because you actually have to be able to stay in front of them. It doesn’t require as much skill when you can just grab the man with the ball.
the_shantilly Yes, but then scoring 37 ppg is insanely difficult. No spacing, huge monsters in the paint who were actual shot blockers, and more physicality allowed in play.
the-shantilly How can you affect the ball handler when you can't have the slightest bit of contact with him. Offense already decides when to attack, now you allow him to move anywhere it wants unabated. Including right at the defender. Defenders should be allowed to touch the offensive player. Or else the defender is not much harder to beat than a cone, when doing drills. Young ali is right it's insanely easy to score nowadays.
When the Pistons were beating the Bulls, the Pistons were winning anywhere from 54-63 games per season. When the Bulls finally beat them, the Pistons were a 50 win team, then a 48 win team the next season, then a 40 win team the season after that. Its not so much that "they got old". Its just that their time as an elite team in the league had passed by the time the Bulls actually beat them. Isaiah Thomas had his wrist injury and was never the same player after that, and the Pistons were never an elite team in the league after that either.
I'm not an MJ fan but these are great points made. There are lies told about both MJ and Lebron by fans wanting to glorify the careers of their fav player. Many of the lies to the benefit of their fav player, many detrimental to the player they want to tear down.
The Knicks, Lakers, Sonics, Utah, Bad Boy Pistons, Stacked Suns team, Portland Trailblazers, Pacers, Heat... Come on. You guys know MJ and Kobe faced the toughest competition. Edit: I just named teams MJ faced and added Kobe’s name because he also faced some of the toughest competition and beat the most 50+ wins in the playoffs of all three players.
Jordan was a better rebounder than LeBron. In this era, those that run point get a ton of defensive boards. See Westbrook as a great example. But to further base my statement, look at offensive rebounds. 1.56 ORB career, 1.66 ORB with Chicago, including 1.59 in 97-98. LeBron is 1.21 ORB per game career, last season just 1.18 despite having tied a career high with 8.6 Total RBG. When needed, Jordan was incredible at boxing out, where as LeBron never even tries. Lastly, Jordan was a 6-6 shooting guard, which in his later years was more of a mid range shooter than a driver going for dunks, and played in an era where big men dominating the paint and hard contact was common place and not considered a foul. Despite that he still grabbed more boards in the offensive end than LeBron, who is a 6-8 athletic monster that has played SF and PF.
Keep in mind NBA players are measured in shoes now. Jordan was 6'6 barefoot so he'd be listed at 6'7 in the league today. LeBron is really only an inch taller unless he grew after coming into the league
If we take away the word “old” and Replace it with falling off… All those things remain the same. Those things weren’t as good replace it with falling off… All those things remain the same. Those things weren’t as good. then were going down the escalator . The Chicago Bullls were going up the escalator.
I hate how people away Jordan had bad defenders. The game was more physical, they had handchecking, and as said the people guarding him were all time greats. Bigs like Karl Malone, laimbeer, and other big ass centers would try to take Jordan out of games. Anybody who actually plays basketball against swole ass people knows that
Yi Li you must have nvr played basketball. Big players in general and I'ma use shaq as an example can't run they slow that's why the defend the post so yeah he's right Jordan was faster so he could out run big men. With more athletic guys of course is different
Baskets because it's basketball. Defense because you usually win when you prevent the other team from scoring. Leadership and clutch ability because team galvanizing and end game heroics may be necessary. CHAMPIONSHIPS are team goals and a great criteria. 10 consecutive scoring titles. AND scored most POINTS in NBA his rookie year, even more than scoring Champion that year because Bernard King missed some games. Nearly played 10 seasons without missing a game. Missed nearly a year with foot injury, and nearly two years to retirement. DPOY, everyone wants that. Third all time in total steals and steals/game. Only player that high on both steal list. Was leading shot blocker from the guard position until Wade passed him last year. Now he is second all time in blocks for a guard. ONLY player not named Chamberlain with over 3000pts in a season. 6 Championships, with 6 final's MVPS. Five season MVPS. NEVER EVER Lost in Finals. 72 win season During one of those CHAMPIONSHIPS. JORDAN is in a league all by himself. Quit trying to diminish his legacy. He was NEVER outplayed by an opponent, especially during the finals.
The one thing with Gary Payton was that he didn't start guarding Jordan full time until the Sonics were down 0-3. He was a major reason Jordan shooting percentage stats took a nose dive. GP is the best defensive guard I've ever seen.
All these legends are laughing their way to the bank and their status is untouchable and spectacular. Yet people are turning blue in the face discussing who's better than who and all this other stuff. There are countless factors such as era, team, coaches, situations, , positions, etc. That make every player's career different and we cannot really compare
Why do people say, "oh, LeBron is SUPPOSED to average more rebounds because he's taller?" But almost nobody says, "Jordan is a SHOOTING guard, he's supposed to score more?" Nobody ever mentions that LeBron averages more assists too but his "role" shouldn't be to average more assists than a guard. These are transcendent players so any advantage one has over the other, regardless of position, height, or athleticism should be valid.
And like others say his system is the one man system he makes all stars Role players because its just him yea it not T-wolves love but still an allstar who had to take a step back cuz lebron system no wonder Jordan doesn't have each and every stat when he played pg in the system he got more assists so wym
KD35Beast More Lies: Lie 4 - Lebron can win with anyone Lie 5 - Lebron never has enough help Lie 6 - Lebron is a better defender than Jordan because he fronted fucking Pau Gasol 1 time LOL
The Commenter FAX. LeBron is not a versatile defender, as shown by Curry exposing him one on one multiple times. Always has had contending teams with all stars and also never was the best perimeter defender in the league
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I think honestly they’re on the exact same level just in different respects LeBron and MJ are the 2 of the top 5 scorers of all time LeBron is one of the best passers of all time MJ is best perimeter defender of all time LeBron could guard every position at one point MJ and LeBron hit clutch shots
Lebron isnt the 2nd best scorer of all time 😂 Kobe, Wilt, Kareem, Tracy McGrady. All people who put lebron to shame in the scoring area. Come back when lebron stops shooting 60% of his shots from within 5 feet 😂. Should we be reminded of the less than 30% he shot from outside the paint? Does that need to be brought up again? Because it can. "Hur that doesnt help lebron so we pretend it doesnt exist" seems like a legit plan you got
Not really, MJ is the best iso and SOLO scorer of all times (one could make a 13 hour video of Jordan zig zaging past whole teams and acrobating himself vs 2 bigs in mid air), he is one of the best post players of all times (6 championships won with your 6,6 two guard as the primary post up player, let that sink in), he is easily the best midrange shooter of all times, a marvelous off the ball player, fast break, at the rim etc etc etc. Lebron is elite in driving and sort of passable at all the rest. Jordan, and dont believe anyone that says differently, was as good a passer. You just have to watch whole games to understand, especially games that he played as the ball handler. Lebron cant guard any position for more than 5 minutes straight because his stamina gets zapped fast. As for the ''clutchness'' well just watch both players 4 quarters in close games. You'll get it fast
@@mskidi he’s a good slasher that’s it dude couldn’t shoot the 3 and isn’t the best mid range shooter. On clutch shooting you can cherry-pick facts on both sides that make one not seem clutch or vice versa. Lebrons a way better passer and has better bball iq but ok 👍
I’ve literally watched every game Michael Jordan has ever played and Jordan is more than a scorer and defender. He was a coach on the court, he was a complete assassin on the court and did what needed to be done to win, he chose the positions that he played and roles that he fulfilled, Jordan was a complete basketball player emotionally and mentally, Jordan had the mentality that nobody could bear him and that added to his competitive edge, he inspired his team on the court with his hustle and attitude which ignited the rest of his team to compete...I can go on and on about the non-statistical game of Jordan that he possessed that lead to 6 championship rings. I haven’t seen anybody in the NBA today that holds a candle to MJ yet.
Top 3 jordan is not goat 1. all starter is all star and 3 superstar in the last 3 rings 2. His the best scorer on his team not on defense... defense goes to pippens brains and last 3 rings defense goes to pippen and rodman. jordan hogs all the fame that all his teammate deserves. he basically has a the 2 best defender in the league in his team who else would guard him in his position? 3. No actual players can compete with them let alone a team. Bulls is basically a superteam and just so it happens jordan was the best player in their team.
You didn't mention that big men no longer stay in the paint (3 sec defensive rule and not allowed to play physical anymore), allowing for a more even rebounding distribution when you compare positions.
True. The media tries to limit the Goat convo to Jordan, Lebron, and sometimes Kobe. smh But there are far too many greats for that!!! Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Moses Malone. Big O...
Filip Ćuić i think Wilt said it best when he and Jordan were arguing who was the goat. Wilt said " they changed the rules of the league to try and stop me, they changed the rules of the league to help you!" Bill Walton said after Wilt said that Jordan just got up and walked out of the room never said another word about it.
When someone says "Jordan isn't as good as Lebron at rebounding", its just a fact. Its not that they are saying that Jordan SHOULD have the same rebounding numbers as Lebron, they are simply stating that since Lebron gets more rebounds, that adds to Lebron's VALUE. Jordan is shorter and played a different position, so he SHOULDN'T be getting more rebounds than Lebron. That is beside the point of the fact that if you are a player that can get more rebounds for your team, no matter if its because of your height or whatever the case is, that player is adding VALUE. Therefore it would completely reasonable to use rebounding as part of an argument in comparing two players to each other in terms of who was more VALUABLE. By the way, in the year that Jordan averaged 32/8/8, the Bulls' record was actually worse than the year before when they had Sam Vincent playing point guard for 30 games or so averaging 8 assists instead of Jordan. So Jordan playing in that role did not improve their team.
Another fact that is all of Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis, Tristan Thompson seem to become worse rebounders when playing besides Lebron when Rodman, Horace Grant and CO seemed to be doing just as good as they always used to with Jordan, which probably means that the latter didnt feel like stealing his teamates' bread was necessary to pad his stats. He probably felt it was more important chasing his man in the perimeter instead of shagging off on defense to get uncontested rebounds. This is probably proven by the fact that Jordan has more offensive rebounds per game and actually knew had to box out. Furthermore, Jordan averaged close to 12 assists per game in the 1991 Finals and beat the Lakers 4-1 when Lebrons' double digit assists in the Finals usually come in series he gets swept.
Biggest lies could have been : * Jordan never choked once... * Jordan lost to the Orlando Magic because he was rusty (forgetting about the lost of H. Grant & Jordan's first round performance versus Charlotte). But, he played poorly. * The league never protected Jordan (many rules changes when he was playing). * Jordan took all the game winners.
kyclutch swerving If you're talking about Orlando. It was the TOs that killed the Bulls (24 committed by MJ in just 6 game) and most of them happened in the forth quarter & in key moments. Also, his shooting dipped in the forth [in the series, he shot 47.7% which was incredible]. I was talking about the Seattle series where Jordan was shooting terribly and even scored 0 points in the forth quarter on elimination game [before the game was of out reach, Jordan went scoreless for 13 minutes]. Sadly for Chicago (I was a Seattle fan), Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman took the leads. The game winner taken by Toni happened after Rodman grabbed an incredible offensive rebound and dished him the ball... Jordan had the pass, because he was MJ. But, he also had those moments versus Detroit back in the 1980s. If it didn't happened, Chicago would had won that series. BTW, I am not saying Jordan sucked. I am just stating that people are saying that Jordan never struggled [people used the term choke nowadays]. People are critizing for the smallest détail. Sorry, if it ain't clear. I am not an English speaking person.
NoLimit Chris I know. But, Jordan still dropped 50 on the Knicks and was really incredible versus Charlotte in the first round. Chicago handles his return like professionnals.
True, the Pistons weren't old but I don't think they were the same team either. The change in the Flagrant Foul Rule (1991) and internal turmoil hit the Pistons hard. Swept by the Bulls in 1991 (won in 7 the year before). Lost in the first round in 1992. And didn't even make the Playoffs in 1993. I'm sure 1991 was finally the Bulls year regardless, but it just wasn't the same Bad Boys...
Drogon nope there can't be because players play in different eras under different situations with different advancements to the game and everyone is biased and entitled to their own opinion a player right now could win all of mj accomplishments and more and finish with better career avgs and play with little help but well still have some half ass excuse to protect jordans legacy there is no goat just appreciate greatness when we see it
I’ve been hearing this a bit recently, could you elaborate on this. What is at stake for John Walls career. Throughout he’s been inconsistent and is one of the better guards in the league but does he need to prove that next season?
Saying Jordan beat the Pistons after they got old is a lie. What isn't a lie is that he beat them after the flagrant foul was added. So everyone needs to stop lying and saying it was super physical when Jordan won.
It was. I grew up during that era. He had to get bigger and stronger to beat them. They just grew up as a team and stopped allowing the Pistons to intimidate them
It Ya genderX- When did Jordan beat Kareem and Magic in the Finals?!? He did beat a Lakers team in 1991 with No Kareem, No Cooper, No Pat Riley, a Rookie Head Coach, and an injured Worthy though... A better question is when did Jordan beat anyone as good the Spurs or the Warriors?!? Jordan had a tougher road to the Finals but Lebron has had it much tougher in the Finals. Jordan was Favored in 32 Finals games and Won 24 Finals games. Lebron has been favored in 14 Finals games and Won 18 games in the Finals... *Jordan > Lebron but not because of Finals records* smh You could use Playoff win% if you want sense that would include Jordan's more difficult road to Finals, along with his easier Finals.
I disagree that West is so good that it’ll take 50 wins to make the playoffs. Probably 45-47 wins. LeBron’s Lakers will win 45 get 8th seed and lose 4-1 in the first round. If somehow they could get a 6th seed and upset a #3.
The 98 Bulls including Jordan were OLDER than the “old” Pistons that Jordan beat in 91. And yet the 98 Bulls still won a chip to complete their second three peat. Nick Wright is a shitheel.
It's an easy argument to win... Nick argues how MJ had a super team because of adding Dennis Rodman in 96-98, yet Dennis was 'old' in 1991 when MJ beat him hmmmm Dennis was still good, great in bursts but not even all def team 97 or 98, yet he was DPOY and all def in 1990, 1991
Bruh thank u for making this video I’ve been telling ppl this. Those pistons teams didn’t get old MJ finally got enough help to past them due Scottie becoming a all star level player. Then ppl act like Jordan was just this scorer that averaged like 2 assist a game when Jordan in fact had a 8 reb 8 asst season way before Lebron ever did. He also averaged 11.4 asst in his first nba finals. When he settled into the triangle offense with Phil Jackson his assist started to decline due to the fact the triangle offense doesn’t rely on one primary playmaker. Lebron is great probably top 3 all time but these kids really starting to disrespect MJ
Love both MJ & Lebron, but in all honesty, Lebron has played in the tougher defensive era. Let me explain in two words: FREE ZONES. As you all know, 'Isolation' basketball was pretty prevalent during the 90's. Why is that? It's because you can't leave your man, unless you're doing what's called a 'hard double'. The minute you wander into that area between your man and the ball-handler, you get whistled for an 'illegal defense' and a free throw. The Utah Jazz during the late 90's took advantage of this against the Los Angeles Lakers by putting Greg Ostertag in the corner so that Shaq would have to go out to the perimeter to guard him, which eliminated Shaq from protecting the rim against the Stockton/Malone pick'n roll. If they tried that today, Shaq would be able shift down without being whistled for an illegal defense. I'm not saying Jordan didn't face tough defenses, but for any person that's ever played organized basketball, they would know that FREE ZONES>>>>>HAND-CHECK. Isolation scorers LOVE the 90's rules (see Kobe Bryant quote), because they get to play 1-on-1. It's not a coincidence why isolation scorers are slowly starting to die out. It's because of the free zones. In conclusion, the 90's had tougher INDIVIDUAL man-to-man defense, but in today's game, TEAM DEFENSE is what matters. And TEAM DEFENSE>>>>>>INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE.
Go out to the playground, and tell the opposing team they have to play man-to-man defense. You can't shade, you can't leave within 3-4 feet of your man, you can't slide down to help in the post unless you're doing a 'hard double team'. People will laugh at you. It's the same exact analogy with the 90's rules vs. today.
Your wrong the physically weaker players like me..would rather play zone..you’re held less accountable for your “man”. Imagine someone better than you and your on an island with em..like man to man in football will clearly show who’s a better athlete. Zone alllows for mistakes and allows you to over compensate.
That slide on the defensive players was hilarious... Most of those players were in the Western Conference which means he only saw them twice a year and never in the playoffs unless it was the Finals. The players on the East were on the same teams (Mocrief/Robertson, Dumars/Rodman). Take a guess at how many of these players are under 6' 4". Meanwhile in Lebron's NBA career you had the likes of Metta, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Jaylen Brown, Giannis Antetokounmpo and that's just the East. I didn't mention Draymond, Kawhi, Kobe, Durant, etc... because they are out West.
Dennis Rodman saved him in 1996 finals you can’t argue that on optics. His impact on that series is way more valuable considering on the weak performance MJ had vs Dennis’ defensive presence on Kemp. Rodman was brilliant down the stretch in whatever critical scheme they needed. Jordan wasn’t deserving of MVP for that finals but all others most certainly.
Jordan had a heel and ankle injury in the 96 Finals, its amazing he even stepped out onto the court for that series. He was deserving, but should have been co mvp with Dennis
karmacigar Paxson and Kerr were role players, MJ set up Kerr by design in 97 and Paxson hit the only shot in the 4th quarter of the 1993 game 6 for the team, the rest of the points in the 4th quarter were all made by Jordan, who carried that team while no one else could score that whole quarter until Paxson finally made one in a key moment. Again a designed play though. Jordan carried all those scrub Bulls team, even in the 96 series when he was hobbling and barely able to play. If the Bulls played the Warriors today, it would at least be a series, they would not get repeatedly swept as Lebrons Cavs did. Im not saying they would definitely win, actually yes I am, I remember how lockdown perimeter defenders they were.
karmacigar Yes he did, Lebron was the most important piece of those championship teams, albeit superteams, ... Im just saying that its not quite on the level of what Jordan or Olajuwon did, being the lone superstars on their teams, on two of Jordans championships he was the only All Star , and the times when Pippen was an All Star he was basically half an All Star, Ok Ill give you two thirds an All Star if being generous.... What Wilt Chamberlain did in taking the stacked 60s Celtics to 6 or 7 games in the Finals makes him higher on my list than Lebron by quite a large margin, it would be like if Lebron was able to take the GS Warriors to seven games nearly by himself, thats what Wilt did in the 60s. Wilt was playing one on five, kind of like when Michael played one on five against the stacked 80s Celtics who had five hall of famers, took that superteam into overtime nearly by himself. People try to use that against Michael but it actually enhances his legacy, what he was able to do with a bunch of scrubs in the 80s . Pippen didnt come until 87 and wasnt an all star til the 90s.
This is such intelligent analysis of the actual facts rather than the myths. One thing I will add is that Michael Jordan was mainly guarded by Dennis Johnson in the 1986 playoffs when he scored 49 and 63 points. Dennis Johnson was a 9 time All Defensive team selection. The other thing is that the Bulls never faced the Celtics after 1987 because the Celtics couldn't get past the Pistons.
fanamations Perfect situation? Jordan came on the scene with drug addicts for teammates and then as much times as people like to throw around Pippen and Jackson, they fail to mention that Pippen was a rookie who had to be developed and Jackson was a rookie coach. I wouldn't say perfect amount of help either. In 2 Finals Jordan's #2 and #3 couldn't even average more than 15 ppg and then there was another Finals where only Jordan and Pippen averaged double figures while everyone else averaged under 9 ppg. As it pertains to competition the league was competitive especially with more teams added, don't believe the myth about expansion teams watering down the league. All in all, Jordan is the GOAT nothing was handed to him he actually had to go out there and get it.
About the scoring. Some stats what the hand checking rule did to scoring: Kobe Bryant 43.3% --> 45.0% FG% |||| 10.1 --> 10.2 FTA |||| 27.6 --> 35.4 PPG Allen Iverson .424% --> .447 FG% |||| 10.5 --> 11.5 FTA |||| 30.7 --> 33.0 PPG Lebron James .472% --> .480 FG% |||| 8.0 --> 10.3 FTA |||| 27.2 --> 31.4 PPG Gilbert Arenas .431% --> .447% FG% |||| 8.0 --> 10.0 FTA ||||25.5 --> 29.3 PPG Dwayne Wade .478% --> .495% FG% |||| 9.9 --> 10.7 FTA |||| 24.1 --> 27.2 PPG Paul Pierce .455% --> .471% FG% |||| 8.1 --> 10.3 FTA |||| 21.6 --> 26.8 PPG Dirk Nowitzki .459% --> .480% FG% |||| 9.1 --> 7.4 FTA |||| 26.1 --> 26.6 PPG Carmelo Anthony .431% --> .481% FG% |||| 7.6 --> 8.9 FTA |||| 20.8 --> 26.5 PPG Michael Redd .441% --> .450% FG% |||| 5.8 --> 7.1 FTA |||| 23.0 --> 25.4 PPG Ray Allen .428% --> .454% FG% |||| 5.5 --> 4.6 FTA |||| 23.9 --> 25.1 PPG So you can either remove 4 points from LBJs ppg average to see his performance in MJs hand checking era or add 4-5 points to MJs averages to get a perspective on his scoring potential in today's league. With LBJs body and no Dennis Rodman giving him the elbow crossbar on his chest, I find LBJs scoring not as impressive tbh. He is a good allrounder like Bird or Magic though.
@Legend Of Winning "I knew it was gonna be a lot of stress on me to return to the NBA, so I just decided to retire and walk away from the game that I loved. And I was in the [prime] of my career." czcams.com/video/B2DaiUB0iEc/video.html
Its a good day when Low and Dom post on the same day
Donquez Williams thats funny cuz i guess got done watching dom2k vid
Which was more impressive kobe 7 in 11 or lebron 8 straight
Quanjaquan Stewart same
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@@quanda_icon5903 well LeBron had a weaker conference, but at the same time in 2018 he didn’t have much help. I’ll go with LeBron’s 8 straight
I can’t even enjoy LBJ any more without the G.O.A.T debate. It’s getting really annoying
Yes, both the arguments haters use to discredit Jordan and LeBron are so regurgitated and completely untrue it’s obnoxious and insufferable to have any type of discussion regarding the G.O.A.T debate and all-time great players on social media
Appreciating both MJ and LeBron seems to be impossible nowadays. Jordan in MY OPINION is still the greatest to touch a basketball. But that doesn't stop me from being a fan of LeBron. Just appreciate what LeBron is doing and respect and acknowledge what MJ did in the past. Don't spread factually invalid arguments that are rooted in emotion.
Daiton finally somebody keeping it real
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Daiton There are still people who don't understand that just because you like one player more, that doesn't mean everyone else is trash and you have to downplay their accolades for a millionaire who doesn't even know you.
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Been saying this for years! Grew up a Jordan fan, but it doesn’t mean I can’t also be a fan of Lebron or even Kobe. That’s why I hate the 🐐 argument. There is no clear cut 🐐. I consider it more greatest of their era.
Blind stat readers kill me. I say it all the time. If you choose to read stats over understanding the game you're irrelevant. This kid at work thinks Russel Westbrook is better than KD for averaging a triple double the last two seasons. Just ridiculousness.
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That's all they got and go to today.
Little Stat googler s. Lol
Ikr
whoeveriwantobe- Yeah. It's sad when some people try to say "Jordan had no help. Then quote the PPG of his teammates". The Bulls were great Defensively and on the Boards. So I guess it's harder for some fans to see how good they actually were...
Andy Mejia- That's why I find it difficult at times to rate guys like Wilt and Russell. I didn't really see them play or know the CONTEXT of that era of basketball. I just have a stats and a few video clips to go by.
Why Agent still wearing a derozan Jersey still in the podcast cover 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Sup agent's towel
Why is agent skinny
You gon make him a new pic?
Agents Towel why not? Demar was super loyal to Toronto and they did him dirty. He's reaping him for that loyalty.
@@j_quan2594 he might
You know what's sad? Absolutely nobody talks about Scottie Pippen for his own merits. He was Kawhi before Kawhi but the only reason we talk about him is to either elevate or belittle Jordan. He's treated like a bum by Jordan fans and is considered a top 15 player by LeBron fans. Sad.
Raj im a huge jordan fan and consider pippen a top 5 SF ever he was a VERY well rounded player an all time defender and top 25 dunker ever
Preach
What are you even talking about? Every Bulls fan knows Pippen was LeBron before LeBron, he's a top 3 SF all time
I agree. Scottie was a all time great. He gets no respect
Iain Warren nooo they all want jordan to be the goat and act like he had no help and a trash coach they dont respect no one but him
If MJ didn’t beat the Pistons til they got old then the Spurs and Celtics when beaten by Lebron were qualified for senior citizenship.
Kobe best spurs okc Boston first before Lebron
@@ghost-bx7kw they were young when Kobe was round.
30yrs old was old back then, most players was retired by 33-35.
This video is full of lies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@tankwhite.7036 its not lies. Half of those players on the Pistons weren’t old. 30 wasn’t old, if a player retired around 33 then they probably had injuries
I'm kinda sick of the whole LeBron vs Jordan talk. Before we know it LeBron will be retired and we'll be wondering what happened.
Good .. can't wait tile he leave
Here comes Bronny
@@thubb326 then you gonna start wishing he was back in the league
The same people who say "Michael Jordan had a better coach and much more help" are the same people who say "Tim Duncan is a prodigy of gregg popovich"
Players like jordan and timmy will get a ring once they had good teams. That 2007 cavs that lebron had would have won a ring or two if they had players like duncan or jordan. Jordan ans duncan were both elite on both ends of the court and can dominate the game on offense and defense because they have rocksolid fundamentals even before they got to the nba.
you're a newbie... don't know much about the nba... MJ on particular
I hate that argument so much. Pop is a good coach but dude had a terrible record the year before Duncan got drafted, they acting like the coach just carries teams easily or something. Phil did never miss the playoffs but he got outed from Chicago right when the main core broke up and then he went to coach a superstar Shaq with an up and coming all star Kobe and then he retired right when Pau declined and got too old and Kobe was getting up in age
@@realitybites629 You are lying bruh
Faxxx, keep the community from trippin 💯
MJ2KALLDAY love your channel
mj pls do a video with LoW
MJ got through the Pistons because Isiah Thomas, the captain and most valuable player of the team, was coming off an injury that took him half of the season. As for the rest your right.
RCK El Combo no, the Bulls was gonna bust the pistons either way.
He never mentioned why The 6'9" players average more assist, but gave the reason that LeBron played power forward a lot for him averaging more rebounds which is a lie. Dan Majerle played Small Forward not shooting guard and was actually horrible on defense he was really slow and was over hyped because he was white. He never mentioned Reggie Lewis who gave Michael Jordan hell on both ends of the court blocking Michael Jordan shot 4 times in 1 game.
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Who else knows an off duty mall cop that was an all American in three sports in high school and got drafted by the MLB and NBA.
and has a master's degree in the Finessive Arts
RatedPending - Please Don't Sue Me lmao
Danimal The Animal and is the best GM in the league now
Danimal The Animal baseball is not a sport
They both have play different roles and are great in their own ways.
MockTen Beats but Jordan always will be better
kelviskk ok kid.. you haven’t seen Jordan play but ok ...
Maybe not. I start to watch NBA in 1994, so maybe the Jordan than I watch wasn't the best Jordan, but he was enough good to win 3 rings after he came back.
LeBron is a really good player, the best than I can watch after Jordan (he is better than Kobe for sure), but Jordan played against so many good players, without a all star center and still dominate.
Let's be honest, the centers dominated the NBA since the beginning. If you look at all the MVP, there are many more centers than other positions. Jordan played against David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Mutombo, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon and Alonso Mourning, and power forwards like Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone, Shaw Kemp and Charles Barkley. That was just amazing.
LeBron played against many good players too, like Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitsky, etc. but the 90 was harder. I'm glad to watch those amazing careers, and LeBron is the only one who actually we can compare with Jordan. He isn't better, but be in this conversation is enough.
True Ogre what .... they got Rodman after they won already 3 rings
Philipp Ghadiri I lag every time when people say the name Rodman. Because... Who is Rodman? He never charge a team. He was a role player, a good one, but a role player. Without the right team, he was nobody. In San Antonio and Lakers he do nothing. The real all star was Pippen. Compare that with Orlando, with Grant, Penny and Shaq. Young Shaq and young healthy Penny. Or Seattle with young Gary Payton, young Shaw Kemp. Maybe the only two old all star was Stockton and Malone, but they were really good with that age, and the rest of the team was young enough to make a good fight.
Magic Johnson wasn't at the tail end of his career. Yes, in retrospect he was. But taking AIDS out of it, he was 2nd in MVP in '91 and was still just 31-years-old (birthdayAugust 14, 1959) when they lost to the BULLS in the FINALS. Magic was still in his prime. Worthy, Scott, Perkins, and A.C. Green were all in their primes (all under 30), and replacing an old Kareem with a very young Vlade Divac and Elden Campbell is pretty good all things considered.
Shawn Kemp Jordan was still the underdog against the favored Lakers in 91.
The Commenter I remember that too. And didn’t the lakers beat run tmc that year?
@@thecommenter7405 Youngsters don't know this. The Bulls were still on the rise in 91. They only proved they could beat the Pistons. The Lakers led by Magic was the experienced Finals team.
@Shawn Kemp Worthy didn't get injured until the Bulls won several games in the finals
@ScepticalCynic The Bulls won multiple games before they got Injured and Kareem was on his downside, Divac was certainly not as good as prime Kareem, but a decent replacement for old Kareem. Even with Kareem were swept by the Pistons
Fun fact. Jordan has more offensive rebounds than lebron.
lol lies unless you could attach a source.
@@evanfabio8253 MJ has 1668 total offensive boards averaged 1.6 per game. Would've been 1.7 if he didnt play on the wizards.
LBJ has 1386 total offensive rebounds. And averages 1.2 per game.
Look it up on basketballreference.com see for yourself
@@trowabarton321 just checked and it's true. The only thing that data show is that MJ is no slouch on rebounding, and I agree.
@@evanfabio8253 And it was in a big man dominated league back then.
Maybe, but without context it means nothing. He was a good rebounder but let's not act like he battled Ewing Hakeem and Shaq for half of his rebounds lol. Bron still the better rebounder, not that it means something.
You forgot to mention that magic just won mvp the year before and finished second to MJ
If you look at the 1996 NBA finals for MJ more specifically the last 3 games, you can see how much of an impact it was when Gary Payton was guarding him. Yes the Bulls still won but the defence was shown.
People need to understand that the goat discussion comes down to personal preference. Don't get so upset if someone has a different OPINION than you
Coolhands444 sure but I think we’re all in agreement that Felton is the greatest of all time
Coolhands444 FACTS but then again i just think my opinion is better than most lol
Coolhands444 exactly. People act so personally offended when talking about if some player is 1 or 2 in all time standings
That’s true. I low key get butthurt when someone disagrees with me lmao.
Kung Fu Naki Nah fam Brian Scalabrine the real goat up in here.
@Legend Of Winning
What's the name of the background music that's playing on this video?
What's the beat in the backrounds name that starts at 2:16? Does anyone know
MJ was the first out of only three players to ever record 200+ steals with 100+ blocks in a season, and the only one to do so twice (in a row for good measure), earning him the DPOY. He reached the 200 mark for steals six times in his career, peaking at 259 stls plus 131 blks in '88. LeBron's peak is 177 stls in '05 & 93 blks in '09.
Three-pointers is the only category that's higher in today's era compared to the 80s. Field goal percentage, offensive rebounds (all-time low at single digits per game in 2018), assists, steals, blocks, etc... are all down. Back in the late 20th century; annual assists leaders typically reached the 900+ total mark (Stockton peaked at 1164), steals leaders with 200+ (A. Robertson at 301), and blocks leaders with 300+ (Eaton at 456). In the post-2000 era; such marks were only reached twice, thrice, and once (85 games played by Ratliff) respectively; all before the 2010s except for assists in 2017. Draymond led the league with 2.03 spg that same year and A. Davis with 2.57 bpg the following season, both all-time lows. The 1984 draft alone provided a yearly race for the steals title between MJ, Stockton (all-time steals leader), and A. Robertson (all-time spg leader); plus Hakeem as the only center to record 200+ steals. Guards won the DPOY five times in the 80s, once in the 90s, and zero so far in the new millennium.
That’s pretty darn impressive for someone who’s “just a scorer”
Kids haven’t watched MJ games/highlights because they’re scared of the fact they’ll see a player superior to their idols (whether it be Kobe or LeBron). You can clearly see by the eye test who the most skilled player of all time is by watching his playoff performances and how easy he made it look. They say “you guys act like MJ is god”, basically on the court he was the closest thing to it
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There’s a reason why Larry Legend the actual GOAT conversation starter said he’s god playing basketball.
And for all those idiots I meant GOAT conversation starter at the time
I watched him I think he is the greatest player lebron is the best o ever seen.
I love kobe but MJ is not human
Where did you get ya theme music from ?
LOW whats the background music you use
Gerald Wilkins and John Starks also guarded MJ as well as one could. I remember GW even being dubbed the “MJ stopper” at one point. Both of them played MJ in his heyday.
Throw stats out the window. Watch the tape. Jordan was far more skilled than LeBron and it isn't remotely close.
bwink23 Bron is a Malone body handling the rock.
True story. The eyes don't lie
But bron can do every thing
Darri 2K So could Jordan
Far more skilled?
They may not have been showtime but “tail end”? Magic was still one of the top players in the league cmon now
@Legend of Winning @ 5:00 min.. Well 32 must be old..... if 29 is old LOL - Had me dyin lol
"Magic Johnson was on the tail end of his career"
False. Magic was still in his prime in 1990-91 Season
Magic won back to back LEAGUE MVPS The year before the finals
This video is full of lies
@@tankwhite.7036 debunk it then
@@tj5180 Dan Majerle played SMALL FOWARD not shooting guard. LEBRON JAMES never played the Majority of any season at POWER FORWARD. He Conveniently didn't add Reggie Lewis who gave Jordan the most trouble on both ends of the court blocking his shot 4 times in 1 game and dropping 30 plus on him like nothing. He never explained why LeBron average more assist, even tho he supposedly played power forward a lot which we all know is a lie. He never put up the fact that most of the shooting guards was 6'3" or 6'4" that guarded MJ. Gary Payton 6'4", Derek Harper 6'3", Joe Dumars 6'4".....and the list go's on.
@@tankwhite.7036 those guys u mentioned were elite defenders and Jordan was getting guarded by taller defenders also
@@tj5180 That's 7-8 players out of hundreds and 2 of those are point guards and 1 is a small forward. I saw his whole career including his college career so I saw the players who defended him so stop it most were smaller than him.
Can we just say that Lebron and Jordan are both good😓
Kyle Ferdenand great* and yes
Lebron is good, Jordan is
Great!!! not good.
Nope
Jordan is the GOAT
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"He never choked"
Coolhands444 when did he choke late in an important game lol just curious
Well in the FInals, he never choked like LeBron in 2011, not even close - his worst series in Finals was 1996 and he still was much better than LeBron in 2011
KD35Beast agreed
Marcos M 1995 Eastern Semi finals against the magic game 6
Zion Jasso lmao that was his first postseason back after playing baseball for 2 years😂 the fact that he could do that and still be expected to deliver clutch performances like he was in his prime is what makes him the goat
Even Isiah Thomas himself said why the Pistons lost to the Bulls, its when MJ stopped playing hero ball and started hitting options in the offense, rather than trying to do everything himself, so when people say "they got old" its clear they don't remember it well or their subjectivity has swayed their perspective over time.
“ Jordan being guarded by old white guys” I hate that excuse the NBA was 10000X more physical back in the day if blow on someone it’s a foul now it’s easier to score now than back then
YoungAli It's not because it was more physical that it was better
Physicality doesn’t mean good. Nowadays it appears people can’t play defense because you actually have to be able to stay in front of them. It doesn’t require as much skill when you can just grab the man with the ball.
the_shantilly Yes, but then scoring 37 ppg is insanely difficult. No spacing, huge monsters in the paint who were actual shot blockers, and more physicality allowed in play.
the-shantilly How can you affect the ball handler when you can't have the slightest bit of contact with him. Offense already decides when to attack, now you allow him to move anywhere it wants unabated. Including right at the defender.
Defenders should be allowed to touch the offensive player. Or else the defender is not much harder to beat than a cone, when doing drills.
Young ali is right it's insanely easy to score nowadays.
Derrick Iverson yeah that’s true today’s NBA is better but less physical
The media started this comparison. Lebron barely in the top 10, he lost 6 nba finals. If you’re the GOAT you don’t lose 6 finals.
You can’t be serious with this dumb ass comment dawg
Damn you're stupid.
It’s impressive af to lose 6 Finals..... that’s more chances to win a championship than most player ever play in
shout out to my Twitter in the background at 8:03
I’m not a basketball guru, but just going by the eye test, I’ve never seen anyone do the things I’ve seen Michael Jordan do.
1.) lie - "He ONLY beat the Pistons when they got OLD"
2.) lie - "He faced weak plumbers"
3.) lie - "A nobody without Pippen"
Those are all true
Isiah thomas got hurt that season he was never the same after that, jordan beat them past their prime
@Tristan McFolley after winning 2 straight championship the pistons were never the same due to age, injuries, pressure and fatigue
bryanp2go you can say the same thing about Lebron beating the spurs and the Celtics
@@kjstyles3530 lebron beat the 73-9 warriors the best team ever, jordan beat weak teams like the jazz, sonics, suns
When the Pistons were beating the Bulls, the Pistons were winning anywhere from 54-63 games per season. When the Bulls finally beat them, the Pistons were a 50 win team, then a 48 win team the next season, then a 40 win team the season after that.
Its not so much that "they got old". Its just that their time as an elite team in the league had passed by the time the Bulls actually beat them. Isaiah Thomas had his wrist injury and was never the same player after that, and the Pistons were never an elite team in the league after that either.
I'm not an MJ fan but these are great points made. There are lies told about both MJ and Lebron by fans wanting to glorify the careers of their fav player. Many of the lies to the benefit of their fav player, many detrimental to the player they want to tear down.
The Knicks, Lakers, Sonics, Utah, Bad Boy Pistons, Stacked Suns team, Portland Trailblazers, Pacers, Heat... Come on. You guys know MJ and Kobe faced the toughest competition.
Edit: I just named teams MJ faced and added Kobe’s name because he also faced some of the toughest competition and beat the most 50+ wins in the playoffs of all three players.
Jordan was a better rebounder than LeBron. In this era, those that run point get a ton of defensive boards. See Westbrook as a great example. But to further base my statement, look at offensive rebounds. 1.56 ORB career, 1.66 ORB with Chicago, including 1.59 in 97-98. LeBron is 1.21 ORB per game career, last season just 1.18 despite having tied a career high with 8.6 Total RBG. When needed, Jordan was incredible at boxing out, where as LeBron never even tries. Lastly, Jordan was a 6-6 shooting guard, which in his later years was more of a mid range shooter than a driver going for dunks, and played in an era where big men dominating the paint and hard contact was common place and not considered a foul. Despite that he still grabbed more boards in the offensive end than LeBron, who is a 6-8 athletic monster that has played SF and PF.
SS454LS6 well Westbrook rebounds are mostly uncontested and stolen from his teammates as he sags from his man egging him on to shoot
Martin Da GOAT so is lebrons. He wont even allow his center to get rebounds
SC Challenger there is no evidence of that. The difference with Westbrook is that we actually have tape of him stealing boards.
TheGeno42 Dudley to haveca faster fast break
Keep in mind NBA players are measured in shoes now. Jordan was 6'6 barefoot so he'd be listed at 6'7 in the league today. LeBron is really only an inch taller unless he grew after coming into the league
Number 1 lie told about MJ by far is that Lebron is better.
Facts!!!!!
What I mean by "Facts!!!!!" is that it is a fact that LeBron being better is a lie
KD35Beast I made it more clear. Lol
But LeBron is better than Jordan
Yeremy Wilson better at being number 2? I feel you.
If we take away the word “old” and Replace it with falling off… All those things remain the same. Those things weren’t as good replace it with falling off… All those things remain the same. Those things weren’t as good. then were going down the escalator . The Chicago Bullls were going up the escalator.
I hate how people away Jordan had bad defenders. The game was more physical, they had handchecking, and as said the people guarding him were all time greats. Bigs like Karl Malone, laimbeer, and other big ass centers would try to take Jordan out of games. Anybody who actually plays basketball against swole ass people knows that
Yi Li
Lmao he was faster than all them slow ass bigs. What are you on about
samauri butler help defense you don’t need speed
samauri butler Boy your dumbass doesn’t realize that he drove to the paint while they were right there. You ever play basketball???
Yi Li you must have nvr played basketball. Big players in general and I'ma use shaq as an example can't run they slow that's why the defend the post so yeah he's right Jordan was faster so he could out run big men. With more athletic guys of course is different
Yeremy Wilson Shaq ain’t slow, like at all, bad example
The argument between LeBron and Jordan is really based on what aspects of the game you value most.
if you value skill and heart....then there's really no contest.
Baskets because it's basketball. Defense because you usually win when you prevent the other team from scoring. Leadership and clutch ability because team galvanizing and end game heroics may be necessary. CHAMPIONSHIPS are team goals and a great criteria. 10 consecutive scoring titles. AND scored most POINTS in NBA his rookie year, even more than scoring Champion that year because Bernard King missed some games. Nearly played 10 seasons without missing a game. Missed nearly a year with foot injury, and nearly two years to retirement. DPOY, everyone wants that. Third all time in total steals and steals/game. Only player that high on both steal list. Was leading shot blocker from the guard position until Wade passed him last year. Now he is second all time in blocks for a guard. ONLY player not named Chamberlain with over 3000pts in a season. 6 Championships, with 6 final's MVPS. Five season MVPS. NEVER EVER Lost in Finals. 72 win season During one of those CHAMPIONSHIPS. JORDAN is in a league all by himself. Quit trying to diminish his legacy. He was NEVER outplayed by an opponent, especially during the finals.
@@herbertnelsonjr.9899 yeah and LeBron has own case but yet you didn’t list his accomplishments
The one thing with Gary Payton was that he didn't start guarding Jordan full time until the Sonics were down 0-3. He was a major reason Jordan shooting percentage stats took a nose dive. GP is the best defensive guard I've ever seen.
MJ is the only player in NBA history to have 200 blocks and 200 steals in the same season. And he did it SIX TIMES!!!
He used SPORTSTALK JOE voice in this vid 😆😂
Serious question: Was that really that dude's voice in that video? That dude is the perfect epitome of a Lebron stan.
The Commenter yep, that's his voice, he doesn't look like how he sounds though.
Sounds like an old white guy. And he's always shitting on Bird and Jordan how they played against plumbers and unathletic white guys.
It's fucking ironic.
All these legends are laughing their way to the bank and their status is untouchable and spectacular. Yet people are turning blue in the face discussing who's better than who and all this other stuff.
There are countless factors such as era, team, coaches, situations, , positions, etc. That make every player's career different and we cannot really compare
You should name Dennis Johnson for the defensive players
Damn I don't remember C-Webb on the Pistons at all lol
Why do people say, "oh, LeBron is SUPPOSED to average more rebounds because he's taller?" But almost nobody says, "Jordan is a SHOOTING guard, he's supposed to score more?"
Nobody ever mentions that LeBron averages more assists too but his "role" shouldn't be to average more assists than a guard.
These are transcendent players so any advantage one has over the other, regardless of position, height, or athleticism should be valid.
H2Mass that’s completely different
Did you even listen to what he said
H2Mass Lebron is supposed to average more REB and AST because his system caters him to do everything.
DJC _ because lebron is listed as a forward like Simmons will be if fultz is healthy hes playing pg sometimes we not bout to ignore that
And like others say his system is the one man system he makes all stars Role players because its just him yea it not T-wolves love but still an allstar who had to take a step back cuz lebron system no wonder Jordan doesn't have each and every stat when he played pg in the system he got more assists so wym
Do the three biggest lies about LeBron James
Lie 1 - He's the GOAT
Lie 2 - No team Jordan beat is as good as the OKC and SA team LeBron beat
Lie 3 - LeBron played against much better defenders
KD35Beast those aren’t lies lol
KD35Beast More Lies:
Lie 4 - Lebron can win with anyone
Lie 5 - Lebron never has enough help
Lie 6 - Lebron is a better defender than Jordan because he fronted fucking Pau Gasol 1 time LOL
The Commenter FAX. LeBron is not a versatile defender, as shown by Curry exposing him one on one multiple times. Always has had contending teams with all stars and also never was the best perimeter defender in the league
Rishab Prakash you don’t need to win DPOY to prove that you can play good D. Also, it’s Curry he’s taken everyone’s ankles
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I think honestly they’re on the exact same level just in different respects
LeBron and MJ are the 2 of the top 5 scorers of all time
LeBron is one of the best passers of all time
MJ is best perimeter defender of all time
LeBron could guard every position at one point
MJ and LeBron hit clutch shots
LaVar Ball facts
Lebron isnt the 2nd best scorer of all time 😂 Kobe, Wilt, Kareem, Tracy McGrady. All people who put lebron to shame in the scoring area. Come back when lebron stops shooting 60% of his shots from within 5 feet 😂. Should we be reminded of the less than 30% he shot from outside the paint? Does that need to be brought up again? Because it can. "Hur that doesnt help lebron so we pretend it doesnt exist" seems like a legit plan you got
Not really, MJ is the best iso and SOLO scorer of all times (one could make a 13 hour video of Jordan zig zaging past whole teams and acrobating himself vs 2 bigs in mid air), he is one of the best post players of all times (6 championships won with your 6,6 two guard as the primary post up player, let that sink in), he is easily the best midrange shooter of all times, a marvelous off the ball player, fast break, at the rim etc etc etc. Lebron is elite in driving and sort of passable at all the rest.
Jordan, and dont believe anyone that says differently, was as good a passer. You just have to watch whole games to understand, especially games that he played as the ball handler.
Lebron cant guard any position for more than 5 minutes straight because his stamina gets zapped fast.
As for the ''clutchness'' well just watch both players 4 quarters in close games. You'll get it fast
@@mskidi he’s a good slasher that’s it dude couldn’t shoot the 3 and isn’t the best mid range shooter. On clutch shooting you can cherry-pick facts on both sides that make one not seem clutch or vice versa. Lebrons a way better passer and has better bball iq but ok 👍
I’ve literally watched every game Michael Jordan has ever played and Jordan is more than a scorer and defender. He was a coach on the court, he was a complete assassin on the court and did what needed to be done to win, he chose the positions that he played and roles that he fulfilled, Jordan was a complete basketball player emotionally and mentally, Jordan had the mentality that nobody could bear him and that added to his competitive edge, he inspired his team on the court with his hustle and attitude which ignited the rest of his team to compete...I can go on and on about the non-statistical game of Jordan that he possessed that lead to 6 championship rings. I haven’t seen anybody in the NBA today that holds a candle to MJ yet.
A candle? LeBron has a case
do the season preview again
Lakers without LeBron were projected 40 wins next year to say that LeBron can't add at least 10 wins is just idiotic
MJ has impacted the game more tho
It's called Marketing, when all the old heads like myself pass on the younger people will say it's LBJ, A.I., or Kobe.
Top 3 jordan is not goat
1. all starter is all star and 3 superstar in the last 3 rings
2. His the best scorer on his team not on defense... defense goes to pippens brains and last 3 rings defense goes to pippen and rodman. jordan hogs all the fame that all his teammate deserves. he basically has a the 2 best defender in the league in his team who else would guard him in his position?
3. No actual players can compete with them let alone a team. Bulls is basically a superteam and just so it happens jordan was the best player in their team.
You didn't mention that big men no longer stay in the paint (3 sec defensive rule and not allowed to play physical anymore), allowing for a more even rebounding distribution when you compare positions.
Anyone remember when low use to have the 2k gameplay?
He's the GOAT is definitely one of em
lol yeah sure if this video was lies about LeBron
He's the only goat in basketball. Nobody else was mentioned at that time.
He is the goat though.
No one talks about kareem and wilt when talking about greatest player, they are as great as mike and lebron...
I agree. Wilt was the most dominant player ever. Then I'd go with Kareem then Jordan. Well said
Filip Ćuić they in they own lane like people should leave LeBron in his💯
True. The media tries to limit the Goat convo to Jordan, Lebron, and sometimes Kobe. smh But there are far too many greats for that!!! Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Moses Malone. Big O...
I still renumber when Bernard king destroyed Jordan, too bad he was in love with the coco
Filip Ćuić i think Wilt said it best when he and Jordan were arguing who was the goat. Wilt said " they changed the rules of the league to try and stop me, they changed the rules of the league to help you!" Bill Walton said after Wilt said that Jordan just got up and walked out of the room never said another word about it.
When someone says "Jordan isn't as good as Lebron at rebounding", its just a fact. Its not that they are saying that Jordan SHOULD have the same rebounding numbers as Lebron, they are simply stating that since Lebron gets more rebounds, that adds to Lebron's VALUE. Jordan is shorter and played a different position, so he SHOULDN'T be getting more rebounds than Lebron. That is beside the point of the fact that if you are a player that can get more rebounds for your team, no matter if its because of your height or whatever the case is, that player is adding VALUE. Therefore it would completely reasonable to use rebounding as part of an argument in comparing two players to each other in terms of who was more VALUABLE.
By the way, in the year that Jordan averaged 32/8/8, the Bulls' record was actually worse than the year before when they had Sam Vincent playing point guard for 30 games or so averaging 8 assists instead of Jordan. So Jordan playing in that role did not improve their team.
Another fact that is all of Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis, Tristan Thompson seem to become worse rebounders when playing besides Lebron when Rodman, Horace Grant and CO seemed to be doing just as good as they always used to with Jordan, which probably means that the latter didnt feel like stealing his teamates' bread was necessary to pad his stats. He probably felt it was more important chasing his man in the perimeter instead of shagging off on defense to get uncontested rebounds.
This is probably proven by the fact that Jordan has more offensive rebounds per game and actually knew had to box out.
Furthermore, Jordan averaged close to 12 assists per game in the 1991 Finals and beat the Lakers 4-1 when Lebrons' double digit assists in the Finals usually come in series he gets swept.
Thanks for the s/o for Uncle Nate.
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So, the title is The 3 biggest lies told about MJ... Still more or less MJ vs LBJ vid... Low key Skip Bayles. MJ the goat tho.
Best Comment from Jerry West If he never played above the rim he would still be one of the greatest ever
And they say 90's is the weakest era! 😖
I am a simple man who has simple sayings.
Insult Nick Wright, get yrself a like
*SIMPLE*
Biggest lies could have been :
* Jordan never choked once...
* Jordan lost to the Orlando Magic because he was rusty (forgetting about the lost of H. Grant & Jordan's first round performance versus Charlotte). But, he played poorly.
* The league never protected Jordan (many rules changes when he was playing).
* Jordan took all the game winners.
Dave Toussaint in that series jordan choked a couple times i believe he avg. 30 on 50% for that series
kyclutch swerving
If you're talking about Orlando.
It was the TOs that killed the Bulls (24 committed by MJ in just 6 game) and most of them happened in the forth quarter & in key moments.
Also, his shooting dipped in the forth [in the series, he shot 47.7% which was incredible].
I was talking about the Seattle series where Jordan was shooting terribly and even scored 0 points in the forth quarter on elimination game [before the game was of out reach, Jordan went scoreless for 13 minutes]. Sadly for Chicago (I was a Seattle fan), Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman took the leads. The game winner taken by Toni happened after Rodman grabbed an incredible offensive rebound and dished him the ball...
Jordan had the pass, because he was MJ. But, he also had those moments versus Detroit back in the 1980s. If it didn't happened, Chicago would had won that series.
BTW, I am not saying Jordan sucked. I am just stating that people are saying that Jordan never struggled [people used the term choke nowadays]. People are critizing for the smallest détail.
Sorry, if it ain't clear. I am not an English speaking person.
Dave Toussaint great points thank u
Jordan wasn’t as well conditioned when he came back
NoLimit Chris
I know. But, Jordan still dropped 50 on the Knicks and was really incredible versus Charlotte in the first round.
Chicago handles his return like professionnals.
True, the Pistons weren't old but I don't think they were the same team either. The change in the Flagrant Foul Rule (1991) and internal turmoil hit the Pistons hard. Swept by the Bulls in 1991 (won in 7 the year before). Lost in the first round in 1992. And didn't even make the Playoffs in 1993. I'm sure 1991 was finally the Bulls year regardless, but it just wasn't the same Bad Boys...
Jordan's Wizards years seal the debate for me. Shit is underrated a hell.
There is no greatest player of all time and that's facts
Drogon nope there can't be because players play in different eras under different situations with different advancements to the game and everyone is biased and entitled to their own opinion a player right now could win all of mj accomplishments and more and finish with better career avgs and play with little help but well still have some half ass excuse to protect jordans legacy there is no goat just appreciate greatness when we see it
Jeff Nuamah thank you
Mark 2909 nice assumption but my favorite player is hakeem I'm not a Lebron fan I'm just an objective fan that doesn't argue with emotions like u do
im with you, it depends to much on what team he is, what coach he have, injuries...
20th maybe, but not 21st.
Is you going to a top 3 lies about lebron???
So we just going to go over the face that mj average 26ppg against the Sonic's 😂😂
I’ve been hearing this a bit recently, could you elaborate on this. What is at stake for John Walls career. Throughout he’s been inconsistent and is one of the better guards in the league but does he need to prove that next season?
Saying Jordan beat the Pistons after they got old is a lie. What isn't a lie is that he beat them after the flagrant foul was added. So everyone needs to stop lying and saying it was super physical when Jordan won.
Diandre Miller homie, u ever watch the Knicks- Bulls series?
It was. I grew up during that era. He had to get bigger and stronger to beat them. They just grew up as a team and stopped allowing the Pistons to intimidate them
Can we just accept lebron isnt as good as jordan☺️
Jsfolife *at gambling. Sure, you can have that. But at the game of basketball, it’s Lebron
No
Yes
Jsfolife exactly
It Ya genderX- When did Jordan beat Kareem and Magic in the Finals?!? He did beat a Lakers team in 1991 with No Kareem, No Cooper, No Pat Riley, a Rookie Head Coach, and an injured Worthy though... A better question is when did Jordan beat anyone as good the Spurs or the Warriors?!? Jordan had a tougher road to the Finals but Lebron has had it much tougher in the Finals. Jordan was Favored in 32 Finals games and Won 24 Finals games. Lebron has been favored in 14 Finals games and Won 18 games in the Finals... *Jordan > Lebron but not because of Finals records* smh You could use Playoff win% if you want sense that would include Jordan's more difficult road to Finals, along with his easier Finals.
Magic Johnson was on the tail end of his career🤔..he only played 10 seasons in the NBA so actually he retired in his prime😕
Lakers predictions is on spot
I disagree that West is so good that it’ll take 50 wins to make the playoffs. Probably 45-47 wins. LeBron’s Lakers will win 45 get 8th seed and lose 4-1 in the first round. If somehow they could get a 6th seed and upset a #3.
It was a hypothetical situation, of course people aren’t going to have to win 50 games to make the playoffs in the West
You should coverJordan’s 2-year gambling suspension.
Pappy Tron that’s practically the same thing
The 98 Bulls including Jordan were OLDER than the “old” Pistons that Jordan beat in 91. And yet the 98 Bulls still won a chip to complete their second three peat. Nick Wright is a shitheel.
It's an easy argument to win... Nick argues how MJ had a super team because of adding Dennis Rodman in 96-98, yet Dennis was 'old' in 1991 when MJ beat him hmmmm
Dennis was still good, great in bursts but not even all def team 97 or 98, yet he was DPOY and all def in 1990, 1991
Bruh thank u for making this video I’ve been telling ppl this. Those pistons teams didn’t get old MJ finally got enough help to past them due Scottie becoming a all star level player. Then ppl act like Jordan was just this scorer that averaged like 2 assist a game when Jordan in fact had a 8 reb 8 asst season way before Lebron ever did. He also averaged 11.4 asst in his first nba finals. When he settled into the triangle offense with Phil Jackson his assist started to decline due to the fact the triangle offense doesn’t rely on one primary playmaker. Lebron is great probably top 3 all time but these kids really starting to disrespect MJ
Honestly, I’m 15 and I see MJ as the GOAT, LeBron’s at 2
Love both MJ & Lebron, but in all honesty, Lebron has played in the tougher defensive era. Let me explain in two words: FREE ZONES. As you all know, 'Isolation' basketball was pretty prevalent during the 90's. Why is that? It's because you can't leave your man, unless you're doing what's called a 'hard double'. The minute you wander into that area between your man and the ball-handler, you get whistled for an 'illegal defense' and a free throw. The Utah Jazz during the late 90's took advantage of this against the Los Angeles Lakers by putting Greg Ostertag in the corner so that Shaq would have to go out to the perimeter to guard him, which eliminated Shaq from protecting the rim against the Stockton/Malone pick'n roll. If they tried that today, Shaq would be able shift down without being whistled for an illegal defense.
I'm not saying Jordan didn't face tough defenses, but for any person that's ever played organized basketball, they would know that FREE ZONES>>>>>HAND-CHECK. Isolation scorers LOVE the 90's rules (see Kobe Bryant quote), because they get to play 1-on-1. It's not a coincidence why isolation scorers are slowly starting to die out. It's because of the free zones.
In conclusion, the 90's had tougher INDIVIDUAL man-to-man defense, but in today's game, TEAM DEFENSE is what matters. And TEAM DEFENSE>>>>>>INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE.
Go out to the playground, and tell the opposing team they have to play man-to-man defense. You can't shade, you can't leave within 3-4 feet of your man, you can't slide down to help in the post unless you're doing a 'hard double team'. People will laugh at you. It's the same exact analogy with the 90's rules vs. today.
This
Your wrong the physically weaker players like me..would rather play zone..you’re held less accountable for your “man”. Imagine someone better than you and your on an island with em..like man to man in football will clearly show who’s a better athlete. Zone alllows for mistakes and allows you to over compensate.
And iso player are slowly dying out..look at iso stats compared to 20 years ago...you’re simply just providing inaccurate stats
yes but Michael got called for illegal defenses too, it worked against him just as much as it did for him, your point is null.
*_Steph Curry is arguably a Top 3 PG of All-Time_*
LeGoat James u crazy
LeGoat James at choking
LeGoat James he’s #2 to Magic
LeGoat James --Jason Kidd better than him bro
LeGoat James that is a good argument but magic johnson better
Really good video. Just not as eye opening as I wanted, because I'm pretty educated on NBA history and MJ so I was hoping for some real gems.
That slide on the defensive players was hilarious... Most of those players were in the Western Conference which means he only saw them twice a year and never in the playoffs unless it was the Finals. The players on the East were on the same teams (Mocrief/Robertson, Dumars/Rodman). Take a guess at how many of these players are under 6' 4". Meanwhile in Lebron's NBA career you had the likes of Metta, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Jaylen Brown, Giannis Antetokounmpo and that's just the East. I didn't mention Draymond, Kawhi, Kobe, Durant, etc... because they are out West.
Dennis Rodman saved him in 1996 finals you can’t argue that on optics. His impact on that series is way more valuable considering on the weak performance MJ had vs Dennis’ defensive presence on Kemp. Rodman was brilliant down the stretch in whatever critical scheme they needed. Jordan wasn’t deserving of MVP for that finals but all others most certainly.
Kyrie saved Lebron in the 2016 finals
Chris Bosh & Ray Allen also saved Lebron in the finals
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Jordan had a heel and ankle injury in the 96 Finals, its amazing he even stepped out onto the court for that series. He was deserving, but should have been co mvp with Dennis
karmacigar Paxson and Kerr were role players, MJ set up Kerr by design in 97 and Paxson hit the only shot in the 4th quarter of the 1993 game 6 for the team, the rest of the points in the 4th quarter were all made by Jordan, who carried that team while no one else could score that whole quarter until Paxson finally made one in a key moment. Again a designed play though. Jordan carried all those scrub Bulls team, even in the 96 series when he was hobbling and barely able to play. If the Bulls played the Warriors today, it would at least be a series, they would not get repeatedly swept as Lebrons Cavs did. Im not saying they would definitely win, actually yes I am, I remember how lockdown perimeter defenders they were.
karmacigar Yes he did, Lebron was the most important piece of those championship teams, albeit superteams, ... Im just saying that its not quite on the level of what Jordan or Olajuwon did, being the lone superstars on their teams, on two of Jordans championships he was the only All Star , and the times when Pippen was an All Star he was basically half an All Star, Ok Ill give you two thirds an All Star if being generous.... What Wilt Chamberlain did in taking the stacked 60s Celtics to 6 or 7 games in the Finals makes him higher on my list than Lebron by quite a large margin, it would be like if Lebron was able to take the GS Warriors to seven games nearly by himself, thats what Wilt did in the 60s. Wilt was playing one on five, kind of like when Michael played one on five against the stacked 80s Celtics who had five hall of famers, took that superteam into overtime nearly by himself. People try to use that against Michael but it actually enhances his legacy, what he was able to do with a bunch of scrubs in the 80s . Pippen didnt come until 87 and wasnt an all star til the 90s.
Lol can u make a video about mj without coming off as a lebron hater? Like ur vids but it seems like u dislike lebron
This is such intelligent analysis of the actual facts rather than the myths.
One thing I will add is that Michael Jordan was mainly guarded by Dennis Johnson in the 1986 playoffs when he scored 49 and 63 points. Dennis Johnson was a 9 time All Defensive team selection.
The other thing is that the Bulls never faced the Celtics after 1987 because the Celtics couldn't get past the Pistons.
Thank you for your objectivity and for doing your homework sir...you are well appreciated. Salute!!!!
Stephan curry is the best power forward of all time
what about muggsy bogues?
Tupac Shakur is the greatest 6th man of all time don't @ me
Besides Marshawn Lynch
Mj just had the perfect situation, perfect amount of help, competition, stats, etc
fanamations Perfect situation but lebron was in a weak east with a top 10 pf in bosh and a top 5 sg in Wade 🤔
Jason Double-00 hey for three year yep, LeBron was in the perfect situation. Until age, and injuries
Amount of help? You acting like Lebron had no help when he won his rings.
Astro he did, that's obvious
fanamations Perfect situation? Jordan came on the scene with drug addicts for teammates and then as much times as people like to throw around Pippen and Jackson, they fail to mention that Pippen was a rookie who had to be developed and Jackson was a rookie coach. I wouldn't say perfect amount of help either. In 2 Finals Jordan's #2 and #3 couldn't even average more than 15 ppg and then there was another Finals where only Jordan and Pippen averaged double figures while everyone else averaged under 9 ppg. As it pertains to competition the league was competitive especially with more teams added, don't believe the myth about expansion teams watering down the league. All in all, Jordan is the GOAT nothing was handed to him he actually had to go out there and get it.
About the scoring. Some stats what the hand checking rule did to scoring:
Kobe Bryant 43.3% --> 45.0% FG% |||| 10.1 --> 10.2 FTA |||| 27.6 --> 35.4 PPG
Allen Iverson .424% --> .447 FG% |||| 10.5 --> 11.5 FTA |||| 30.7 --> 33.0 PPG
Lebron James .472% --> .480 FG% |||| 8.0 --> 10.3 FTA |||| 27.2 --> 31.4 PPG
Gilbert Arenas .431% --> .447% FG% |||| 8.0 --> 10.0 FTA ||||25.5 --> 29.3 PPG
Dwayne Wade .478% --> .495% FG% |||| 9.9 --> 10.7 FTA |||| 24.1 --> 27.2 PPG
Paul Pierce .455% --> .471% FG% |||| 8.1 --> 10.3 FTA |||| 21.6 --> 26.8 PPG
Dirk Nowitzki .459% --> .480% FG% |||| 9.1 --> 7.4 FTA |||| 26.1 --> 26.6 PPG
Carmelo Anthony .431% --> .481% FG% |||| 7.6 --> 8.9 FTA |||| 20.8 --> 26.5 PPG
Michael Redd .441% --> .450% FG% |||| 5.8 --> 7.1 FTA |||| 23.0 --> 25.4 PPG
Ray Allen .428% --> .454% FG% |||| 5.5 --> 4.6 FTA |||| 23.9 --> 25.1 PPG
So you can either remove 4 points from LBJs ppg average to see his performance in MJs hand checking era or add 4-5 points to MJs averages to get a perspective on his scoring potential in today's league. With LBJs body and no Dennis Rodman giving him the elbow crossbar on his chest, I find LBJs scoring not as impressive tbh. He is a good allrounder like Bird or Magic though.
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"I knew it was gonna be a lot of stress on me to return to the NBA, so I just decided to retire and walk away from the game that I loved. And I was in the [prime] of my career."
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Heavily biased video towards Jordan.
Apokolips Lord that’s what low does. The guy is an idiot
it's hard not to sound biased when talking about the goat...
Awh the bias lebron fan is butthurt 😂 whats new