The Worst Advice for a Badminton Player!
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Pretty sure most of you have heard the advice: "Always have your racket up!" or maybe you also told that to some of your players if you are a coach. In this video I will explain why that advice is not helpful at all for almost every situation in badminton and what you should rather do with your racket when you wait for your opponents shot.
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In doubles, it is better for the players to have the racquets up especially for the net players.
I love that you included high quality slow mo footage from pro matches. Top notch 👍 and thanks for the tips!
At amateur level, people have relatively slow reflexes & the attack is also less sharp, so its good advice to keep it up & ready.
agreed
However, it also means that they are much slower to defend. In this case, it would be better to have the racket head at perhaps between shoulder level and head height so both attack and defense can be both accessed in a similar time frame. Then, it would become a matter of a lot of practice and playing to improve on this. I've seen some players/coaches tell beginners to hold their racket high above their heads, and in reality this does not work at all and makes for some awkward playing, as then they have a tendency to look up and not forwards, further reducing their reaction time
Have you even watched the video till the end? 😅
Yup, beginners almost always keep their racket too low and are not ready. Once they better understand the different situations, then they can understand when to raise or lower their racket. Until then, KEEP YOUR RACKET UP!
I would say "keeping it ready" is a good advice and learning right from the beginning how you can get quickly into a proper starting position from a neutral relaxed grip in front of you. In my experience "keep the racket up" often leads to a tight grip, that leads to a stiff forearm and that will mess up so many shots and racket skills in general. But it is just my point of view, I am not saying that it is the only or perfect way but I feel that it can be disadvantages to use the sentence
This is great advice since I have been told many conflicting things about keeping the racket up/down so thanks!
This is very helpful advice and while it actually varies by situation as you've said, I can see the benefits of having a loose "mid-high/low" orientation of the racket rather than always having it up. Thank you.
Relaxed and situational are the keywords here. Thanks coach for making to the point contents.
Great question about the racquet position, I was just beginning to ask myself whether holding it up was a good idea or not. I figured it was good to hold the racquet up if you're expecting to have to react to a fast shot at close range, but if you're further back and there's a smash then a lower racquet position does make sense.
why I always like Tobi's videos, they're always straight to the point, easy to understand. Cheers, from Java.
Great video! I haven't thought about this and play a lot of doubles so maybe this is why my singles defense is so bad. Small complaint: Please check your audio levels and maybe compress them slightly since there's several parts of the video where the audio level increases suddenly and is painfully loud compared to the level I was listening at before.
I utterly completely agree with you big brother, badminton isn't just physical its about mental capability also. 🔥🔥
Finally I have a source backing me up when I tell ppl it’s not always better to keep your racket up. I’ve messed up defending shots so many times because I was keeping my racket high up, it’s crazy.
Superb suggestions sir....
Thank u so much ❤
Keep posting important content sir
Thank u
keep the racket up is advice for new players who dont have the speed, strength, experience and reaction to fully react to shots, its good advice when learning how to play badminton, but should be unlearned once the person gets better to keep shots deceptive
I would rather focus on learning it the right way from the beginning on, for example creating habits that you quickly get into a proper starting position. That way you don't have to unlearn anything later on what would cost a lot of time and in my experience having the racket up also leads to other problems, so many kids tend to have a very tight grip. But yeah that doesn't mean it is the only way to do it
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Like most things, it is a case-by-case situation. Biggest usecase of "racket up" and "racket head up" for me is when hobby players who mostly use drive like shots in matches become passive and almost do not take a part of the match...it is a good short way to tell them to get on the shuttle and be proactive. Tough yeah, id should always come with an understanding of what it means for that player and where it applies.
@@tobiaswadenka8435 This is exactly my line of thought. It's much better to build a strong foundation and then slowly work on laying down the bricks to build your house. Further to this, a lot of players focus on difficult shots/tricks shots/backhand etc, without wanting to work on excellent footwork, stamina and consistency in all round basic shots aka. Those types of amateur players can actually have very decent hitting skills when the shuttle comes directly at them, but when they are moved around, they then become very inconsistent as they struggle to move around the court with any efficiency or fluidity
Love it. Great video.
I love this content so much 🐸
Thanks. I was wondering about where and how to hold my racket.
I have never kept my racket up.. yet I have excellent defensive play plus good reflexes
Came back to your most recent video for a video idea I think would be great. I’m an amateur at badminton and still learning but I always lose rallies because I am late to the rear court due to very fast and short lifts. A video idea would be for those who can learn how to punish their opponents’ short lifts like those jump smashes that pros do when they leap backwards.
Straight to the point, 10/10
I normally dont do racket up in single games but double mostly yes especially when the pace and drives games expected
congrats on 100K! Make a video when you get the play button
You’ve got a point Tobi! 👍
Great points to counter-argue against this general advice. However, I'd like to point out that this advice is extremely helpful and typically should be geared toward beginner-intermediate and/or casual players. Whereas your advice is great for more advanced and professional players. The reason being is that they are beginners/intermediate/casual players are typically not as physically adept/fit to lift their arm up in time to reach shots above the waist (this includes net drops, drives, and lifts/clears). This is normally due to several reasons, including lack of proper footwork, lack of muscle strength (need good strength in arms, shoulders, back and legs), lack of game awareness, and more.
Hence, when providing the simple advice "keep your racket up" to these players for casual matches or even in local tournaments, it is extremely helpful. This is because the opponents will normally not have as lethal smashes as the professional players do (as you've shown in the video) and their net drops will not be as tight. Their main concerns are typically flat or high shots. And if they don't have their racket up, they will not be ready to catch either. Having your racket up is the optimal location (almost equal distance in each direction) to reach up or block low or kill a net shot in these more casual scenarios - considering the things these players typically lack (see first paragraph). Hope you can see why this advice can be great advice for these casual players. It helps make up for these things they lack that professional players have. And helps them be more prepared for shots. :)
Either way, I think this was a really informative video and I always love your content!
Thanks, I knew a lot more after this vid
Good video 👍
Its actually a game changing technique for me (especially as a short player), I use racquet up when receiving serve in doubles games to try to dissuade any overhead shots.
I don't think I do it during rally though, where to keep it is pretty natural really, I guess just keep it at a position ready to receive the fastest shot they have at their position.
Thank you👍
Heyy please review nanoflare 1000z please cuz I liked your as11 pro review (your tutorial are always good though)
Hello, could you make a video on how to pack or carry your badminton rackets on a flight for different case sises (single, 4 pack, 6 pack, etc).
Thanks for the great content.
Makasih bang video tutorialnya..mantap😊
I would like to also add a point.
It's lowering our center of gravity for increasing our mobility, "racket up" making it wierd to do so. Because the game is more about position and posture to prepare the shot.
I think that in reading where the shuttle is going and how fast u positioning ur body before the shuttle, r what matters more than holding ur racket up,its disorganised ur rhythm..
racket up in doubles sometimes when at the net
Sir, at which tension do you play
How do we read the oppornent
I recognize myself on the wrong defense position…now I know what I have to work on 😃
THANKS
Perhaps it should also depends on the shot quality?
If you can manage to keep your opponent to play shots below the tape, keep the racket at chest height(at least) may be a better option than keeping it low?
I would still keep it low, as I am more relaxed now and if I am ready to get the racket up I am still there in time. The only problem is when you let it hang low and when you are not prepared to raise it quickly
Good 👍
When receiving serve it should be up to take a fast flick or attack a low serve I think.
Yes good point, I forgot about that
The focus on racket up should be on doubles front court players. And where you are in terms of receiving the drives and smashes. The closer you are to the net, the higher you racket..
Yea. Racket up is for front court players only. Even with drives, I keep my racket down lol
Nice❤
Great content but what about the situation where the player at the net play a flat shot to the rear court, if you have racket up you could intercept ?
(In single i mean)
Yes you can raise it already if you expect a flat lift, but i would still prefer to keep it low but to be ready to raise the racket as fast as possible. Then it will also become more likely that the opponent plays the flat lift, when you raise the racket he might avoid to play there
do you have links to the match footage used in the video?
Yes, just check out the super slow mo cam footage from the official German open channel. There you find a lot more!
When I tell people - beginners - to keep the racket up, I don't mean to lift it above their heads. I mean keep the racket in front of their bodies, say anywhere between belt and face height, ready to play. Many beginners will go to receive a serve with the racket arm just hanging limp on the side otherwise.
What type of your racquet model and string used?
I use the Yonex ArcSaber 11 Pro. String: Aerobite with 12,5kg main and 13kg cross
Better to rephrase from "racket up" to "racket front". Most players are not experts and are slower.
"Racket up" usually becomes head-high on the right. Awkward. "Racket front" becomes chest-high and central position
Remember to stay loose and relaxed
Yes good idea!
I reckon when people say they were taught to keep their racket up, that advice was given in the context of a doubles player advising another doubles player.
In most cases for doubles, you generally benefit from having the racket up during defense for counter attacks etc.
Depends on from where the opponents are hitting, when they can hit from high up you also have to keep the racket low in double defense, only when they are lower and like you said, you think you can counter take it up. Like in some of the videos that I showed
@@tobiaswadenka8435 indeed u are right as well.
In my country Singapore, the average age / skill playing badminton is abt 35 to 40. Most doubles attacks wont be angled as high on average as such assuming average skill levels. Also almost all courts 95% are doubles players hence why my comment.
Hows the badminton demographics like in ur country?
Only time I keep my racket up is when I do drives battles at net height.
This advice works, when you are playing in doubles on net
0:29 Man, ASY looks even lovelier in slow motion. Edit: That whole slow mo compilation is great, and really is a great start into the rest of your discussion.
Why do we keep the racket up? Players from beginners to advance have the racket up so that they don't have bad habits of keeping it down the whole time. Many players when clearing at the back drag the racket from low to high and that takes too long to react.
Trying to look intimating when at the net or receiving serve. Over head cross court smashing/drops requires the racket to be high.
In conclusion professional players reaction speed is super fast compared to an advanced player so timing is reduced and hence why we remind each other to keep the racket up.
Nobody says "racket up" to somebody defending a smash. (though smash defense can be done from there). The phrase "racket up", is something that is sometimes said to players at the net. As for the rear court. I haven't much heard coaches use the phrase "racket up", I tend to hear them say prepare the racket early. (And indeed they don't need to 'cos there is time). Going through every shot and asking if racket should be high or low is a big subject. It'd be good to cover racket carriage specifically at the net. For example, something you didn't mention is after a net shot. (where racket would be up). Also you didn't cover what level up e.g. if net tape level or if higher. I've often heard net tape level recommended. But sometimes i've foudn that having the racket higher can threaten opponents more and cause them to lift higher. But sometimes some partners don't like the player at the front having their racket too high 'cos it could block their view. One time I saw a player smash and it hit the racket of their partner who had their racket quite a bit higher than net tape level. It'd be interesting to see an analysis of racket carriage in the front..
I also saw that blocking of a smash when the net players raises the racket all the time. A former coach of mine once said to raise the racket when you hear the smash sound of your partner, then you are ready for the next one but the smash has alrady passed you before you can bring the racket up.
and about you other points: there is a lot more that you can say about the topic and so much more details. I am also qutie sure that the phrase "racket up" is not so much of a problem in countries with more badminton culture, as most players and coaches know how and when to use it, but here unfortunately I have met quite a few players that got told to have the racket up always what led to tight grip, usually also turned to the forehand side what eventually messes up so many other things in terms of foowork and racketskills.
Please put a disclaimer that your advice is for singles. when my opponent is smashing for doubles I bend Low and keep my racket up because I can counter his smash that way even if it is steep unless it is a half court smash or a really high jumping smash. Take a look at how the minions especially Kevin counter smashes sometimes. Just because u can’t do it doesn’t mean others can’t
If you expect a return from a lower-than-net high in double, you should keep the racket high.
Yes, like I said there are exceptions, especially in doubles where keeping the racket up is important
Single &double are different.
When you’re in the forecourt and your partner is attacking a high shuttle, it’s most definitely ‘racket up’.
Yes but I would wait until you hear the sound of the smash of your partner before you lift the racket up
Sukamuljo putting his racket down is strategic. He's baiting the opponent to hit the shuttlecock his way.
How about elbow up? 🤔🤔😃
I've thought about this, but I stayed silent because I basically have no credibility.
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Maybe you could caveat your sound advice and observation to the different forms of the game. Singles generally allows more time between shots. Doubles, particularly men's doubles tends to be flat games. Hence, the advantage of a higher racket head.
But I agree with you that it depends what is the likely shot that your opponent will play that should decide where our racket head is. What I think it should mostly be is in front of us loosely held.
Yes totally right, that the character of the cateogry has a huge influence on the racket position
keeping the racquet up is more like the advice for doubles player at the front court i think?
Yes I think it started there and if you only use it as a guideline for that it is totally ok (like I say in the video) but I started to hear that advice more and more often in wrong situations or as a general advice and that can harm your game
its not righ t ,its not wrong , its a starting point , learn and progress , change and adapt, a lot of the time ,with new players, they will say, yeah but you said,
as long as your racket arm isn't flopping around like a dead fish it's probably ok
Racquet up is for doubles.
i'm not sure what problem this advice is trying to solve. i'm not aware of any generic coaching to keep the racket up. generally, the deeper you are in the back court, the lower you would keep your racket, certainly when you might receive a smash. as you move towards the net your racket would normally get higher, for sure in the flat game situation, and i'm also going to keep my racket high after any net play, especially in men's doubles. not only will i keep my racket high in those situations, but i will use a very short stroke on the shuttle so that i can instantly snap my racket back up to a high position, and this is very helpful in any fast, flat game like you often encounter in men's doubles or after attempting a net kill
there is a reason why some players, especially smaller players like kevin sukamuljo, choose to keep their racket low even in situations where others keep their racket high, and that is not to be 'more relaxed' or anything like that. sukamuljo's playing style is based on explosive mobility, especially lateral mobility when he is in front. being small and light is a big help and so is keeping your center of gravity low. you racket doesnt weigh much, but your arm weighs a lot. raising your arm significantly raises your center of gravity and reduces explosive mobility
i'm not sure what level of play you are talking about, but i dont see advanced players keeping their racket too high. i do sometimes observe a failure to adjust racket height when approaching the net or the use of longer-than-necessary strokes at the front of the court, and in those situations a failure to keep the racket in a high position to be able to handle a fast upward or flat reply
I hope that the people that I play against watch this video and keep their racket down
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At a low level, the vast majority of people have flat smashes that are more likely to be up by chest area or eyes. No way I'm putting my racket down in a textbook defence position.
Every low level player ends up slower when their racket is low, even if they are using a nanoflare or something.
Yes, I hope they take this advice 😏
Это совет для профи,не для начинающих. Голову ракетки для любителей рекомендую держать на уровне глаз, ребро обода смотрит на волан.
hi
its idiot advice if you are being told to hold your racket up in a defensive position and in the back of the court. But if you are staying on the net, you should hold the racket "ready" at least. There is a big difference in relaxing and being ready for a shot.. I like to hold the racket up while on the net because it is very easy to try and "flick" the racket head and then have no control over where you hit the shuttle. Being ready and racket first is golden rules in my head, at least at the net.
would a better generic advice be "have your racket ready and in front of you"?
instead of hanging on the side
Hey Tobi,
interessante Sichtweise. Ich bin kein Profi oder Trainier, daher die Frage von mir: Was hältst Du denn von dem Video vom DBV Training, wird es hier deiner Meinung nach richtig oder falsch umgesetzt? czcams.com/video/-xQpY_z1c7s/video.html&ab_channel=DeutscherBadminton-Verband
Bin auf deine Meinung gespannt.
Bedanke mich im Voraus für die Antwort!
Mit sportlichen Grüßen
i was playing in a club and they wouldn't serve unless my racket was up and they would get angry when they were looking and i would serve but it didint count because there racket wasint up, not like they missed or good serve just weird
First!
I think u get the context wrong. Tis advice is given to eg. front court player in a doubles. All when u prepare to smash, … . It’s common sense. Context, context, context.
Maybe it started there but I have heard so many people using it for situations where it doesn't make any sense as they don't understand the context. But i can imagine that this is more a problem in non badminton countries (like where I am from) where people don't have a good picture how the sport should look like and where many people lack a deeper understanding.
If it were in German, I would subscribe ...
Ist in arbeit 😉💪
Absolute nonsense completely wrong advise
You mean keeping the racket up or not doing it all the time?
@@tobiaswadenka8435 professional players can get away with bad racket carriage, but you must coach most lower level players to return the racket head to neutral after all shots, ie neutral is roughly waist and to chest high.