2021 Ford F-450 Platinum Towing Up 6% Grade | Here's Why RAM & GM Are Losing Against Ford...
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- Check out my first tow video with the 2021 Ford F450 Platinum up 6%. In this video you will see 0-60, MPG, and gear ratio's! Like | Subscribe | Share
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While we were driving without the camera rolling JB made a u-turn and there was a guy in a mid 90s Ford dually in the traffic right behind us and his jaw literally dropped when he saw how tight we turned!
Man that would have been so good to get on camera.
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I find it a little bit funny that everyone talks about how great the F-450 wide track front axle is when it comes to turning radius when the curb to curb turning diameter for the 2017-2022 MY F-450 is 50.4 feet and the 2013-2018 Ram 3500 Crew cab Long Box has a curb to curb turning diameter of 49.2 feet. The F-350 is just a joke when it comes to turning. F-350 CCLB is 57.8 feet and a short box is 53.0 feet.
The F-450 couldn't turn around on one of the jobsites without a 3 point turn where the the 2014 Ram 3500 CCLB could do it but just barely. The 2020 F-450 also has a longer nose which makes the wall to wall turning diameter even worse than the Ram. I'm in no way knocking the F-450. Just pointing out that the turning diameter is not best in class.
@aaronolsen8787 I wonder if the 450 with the adaptive steering option turns tighter. Justin and I did a turning circle with my 450 and his Ram Short Bed 3500 SRW and the 450 came within 3 inches of turning completely inside the Ram. We have that on video but never released it but if I can find the footage I'll put out a video. Also I had a 22 F-450 Platinum last week with the adaptive steering and drove it near my house and towed one of my trailers in a tight area and was amazed again how much easier it was to maneuver than my Silverado 3500.
@@hitchedtohorsepower The adaptive steering makes no difference in turning radius. They are both limited to a max steering angle of 45° due to the steering geometry of the axle setup. The F-250/350 have a steering angle of 38° I believe which is why the F-450 turns so much better with its ~6" wider axle.
The GM CCLB has a curb to curb turning diameter of 56.1 feet which is just a bit better than an F-350 but no where near an F-450. So I'm not suprised at that.
The 4th gen (2013-2018) 3500's have a better turning circle if they are 4x4 trucks, the 4x2 are 4 feet worse in the CCLB variety. The 4.5 gen (2019-2023) are also worse but now the 4x2 and 4x4 versions have the same turning circle. A 4.5 gen CCLB has a curb to curb turning diameter of 53.5 feet. So an F-450 will turn sharper now against a newer Ram.
These are all based on stock offset wheels and tire (width). If the CCSB Ram you tested the F-450 against had a 0 or even worse a negative offset it would probably turn worse than an F-450. Especially if it had wider tires. So if the F-450 turned sharper that would be my guess as to why. Either that or he didn't have the steering cranked on the Ram.
I had installed 0 offset wheels and tires as a summer set and couldn't turn around in places that I was used to turning around no problem. My stock offset is +44 IIRC. Those didn't last long, as it just made maneuvering so much more difficult. I couldn't believe it. That was with the same 275 stock width tire on there as well. The wheels were an 18x9 vs the factory 18x8 I believe.
I can tell you for a fact though that my 2014 Ram 3500 CCLB 4x4 with stock wheels and tires turns sharper than a 2017+ F-450. Not by much though. I'm definitely not knocking the F-450, they are an amazing truck. They just won't turn as good as a 2013-2018 Ram 2500 or 3500. They'll turn sharper than GM or Ford CCSB 3500's/350's though which is pretty amazing.
Ram guy- Fords are dumb!
Also Ram guy- secretly configuring a F450👀
So true. I've had trucks from all of the big 3 so I'm not brand loyal. All the new truck are wonderful but until Ram or GM come out with a 4500 pickup that's not detuned and a wide track I decided this was the best. Thanks for watching!
@@hitchedtohorsepower I agree 100%
@supperterofsanity lol! Don’t know how I missed this comment👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork lol you was on Ford website I know😂😂
😎no🤞🏾
The wide front axel and turning radius was the main selling point for me when I got my F-450. The ride is actually a little better than I expected. I’ve been super pleased with my truck so far.
This was a nice review JB. I have been looking forward to this since you hinted at it the other day.
Good stuff bro. I just recently purchased a 21 F450 and 5th wheel RV. Trust me, you will not go wrong with the F450. I'm not brand loyal to any of them but Ford got it right with this truck. Also thank you for the good reviews bro. I'm a fellow CZcamsr and can appreciate the hard work you're putting in bro!!!
I appreciate the comment, congrats on your purchase, I will have to come over and check you out. As you know this isn’t easy but very rewarding 👍🏾
Congrats man! What's your channel? I'd like to check it out
I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. Ram needs to offer the wide track front axle for there 3500 long bed dually trucks at least as an option. That turning radius is killer for a truck that long
I hope next remodel we see a 4500 with a bed from the factory. Only issue I see is RAM trucks are heavier so they will have to deal with that or raise GVWR to 14800. Thanks Dennis 👍🏾
Same with GMC sierra denali 3500. Sell it as a 4500 widetrack with an 8 foot bed please.
F450 is king of the heavy duty trucks, plain and simple. 6.7, wide track front axle, 4.30 gears is just an unstoppable pulling force. The stability you get with a dually is incredible. F450 was more truck than I needed, I am truly enjoying the 21 F-350 Tremor 6.7. Ram has a great platform, and I'd say this again, Ram 6.7 cummins is stiff competition for Ford, but the F-450 is just the king of the jungle! Thanks for the videos!
Hot shot is mainly RAM. All about stopping power
@@cincytechie513 well the f450 is king of stopping as well. It has by far the largest brakes.
Yea king lol both ram and fords are in a huge recall at the moment. Ram with combusting engines and ford with those special front axles you seem to love so much
These 10 speeds are no joke. We've got the 2020 F350 SRW and when I tow our dump trailer I'm cruising at 75mph w about 13-14 mpgs in 10th gear. I also just picked up a skidsteer 3 weeks ago. Combined weight of 20k lbs averaging about 12mpgs for 350 miles no need to stop for fuel on a 48 gal tank😂😂
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I got a company f550 short wheel base dump. Despite it being a complete BEAST it can turn tighter than a Honda accord, Now that's saying something.
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2022 Super duty , TFL just revealed larger 12" screen. Order banks open up 3/15/21!!!!! Good , now Ford can be more competitive with RAM on the interior/screen! What an awesome time to be in market for Diesel truck!!!!
Not really. Be ready to spend about $12k to $15k when the fuel system gives out after the warranty period is up. Or, something else. I'm a Ford fan and worked as a tech at a couple dealerships but all the newer diesels just have too many problems. WAYYYYYYYY too many.
It's not just brand dependent. It's ALL of them.
Don't get so caught up in the high power numbers. Sure, the power is nice to have but is it worth it if you have to shell out around $15k for a repair or possibly more if the engine goes?
If you're prepared for these high repair bills, then buy one and be happy. But if you think you're going to have 200k repair free miles or even 100k repair free miles, you will be lucky to get 100k or more without something major happening.
Just got a ship date for the March 31st! Ram 3500 dually with 4.10s to ship shortly!
Congratulations on the new truck! When did you place your order? We ordered a Ram 3500 CCLB dually Limited on February 26th and can't wait!
Congrats!!!
You'll love it!
@@kims782like wise! I placed the order Jan 25th, got the VIN on the 26th. Last week i received and email from RAM that it should be at the dealer on the week of March 31st.
You guys probably think is a stupid question. But how does one "order" a truck..?
Great video ! You are absolutely killing it with the content man great work 👍. The 450 doesn’t even know that things behind it . Nothing tracks straight towing like a dually , having 19.5s takes that up a notch ...I’d like to see you get a 7.3L gas superduty to test , if possible.
Thanks bro, really appreciate it! Yea I’m hoping I can get a test in later this year 🤞🏾👍🏾
I'm a Dodge and Ford guy, with my top truck being a 2015 Dodge dually with Cumming HO and Assin R69 trans at 277k, and great exhaust brake. The benefits of the F450 is the wide heavier duty front end on heavier hubs ,10 bolt, bigger rear end, plus 14 ply tires on 19 5 inch rims plus bigger brakes, with better turning radius. One disadvantage is the superior exhaust brake by Dodge, so both are very impressive trucks and pick the one which best performed tasks at hand
Well said 👍🏾
At the end of the day the f450 is faster, better trans, better turn radius. And the only thing ram has going for it is a jake brake? 😂😂😂😂
Great video man. 450 is no joke. You mentioned you need to test out the big boy RAM though which I entirely agree. I've got a 2020 3500 Limited megacab dually I'd be happy to have on your channel. Trouble is I'm in Texas though...
Thanks bro, yea you are about a days drive from me but thanks for offering 👍🏾
Wide track has been a Ford feature fo a long time. I had company trucks with them and could back in tight spots with ease. Turn full lock all the time and you'll eat tires at an alarming rate. That 10 speed and 4:30 untouchable. Love my dually until wash day...
😂 wash day isn’t fun for any truck owner especially hand washers like myself! Thanks for sharing, I wouldn’t think cranking the steering wheel would eat through tires 👍🏾
Yep, no automatic cat washes for that bad boy.
Damn, he made such a brilliant argument. I don’t need a 450 but why not? Lol better to have the overkill. I totally agree with that. The pricing on the 450 is so competitive as well if you’re looking at entry level with the stx or xlt.you can get them for 65ish-67k. That’s nice. I need to see if I could live with a vinyl interior vs cloth vs leather. All I need is comfortable seats since I’ll be driving a ton. Cabin comfort will be important. I would definitely keep the wheels and just make the tires more beefy. I love the 450 stock rims. No one can touch rams exhaust brake though. But this was such a beautiful and honest head to head. I loved these videos. You both are amazing gentleman and I appreciate this brothers.
Thanks for the comment bro! Yea the 450 makes more sense if truck will be hooked up often or hauling something in the bed. Robert will most likely have his loaded this was so it only makes sense to have the best truck to do this kind of heavy lifting 👍🏾
Awesome video! Dang that thing is a beast!
Thanks bro and I agree 💪🏾💪🏾
Thanks! I'm very happy with this truck. I've had 3/4 or 1 ton diesel trucks since I got my learner's permit at 15.5 but this thing is on a different level!
Awesome video jb that wide track and 430 gears are great with the 10 speed also rams needs to offer 410 gears on single wheel diesel's with both transmissions crazy how you can get 410's with single wheel gas but not diesel
The gassers need it though more so than the diesel.
I know it’s a dream, but I wish we could get manual transmission in all diesels now.
You say that until you drive 600 to 700 miles a day.
I'll be honest, I wanted my friends 2002 F-350 7.3 with the 6-speed manual but after hauling a few times with my 2002 F-350 with the 6.8 V-10 with 4-speed auto, I think I would get tired of having to change gears with my hands so much.
I know that being able to control the RPM range or power seems like a great thing with a manual but I think you would have to admit that it would get old changing gears all the time if you were towing something every day or even once a week.
I bought a 2007 F-250 with the 6.8 with the newer Torqushift 5-speed auto and I'm looking forward to seeing the difference in power from the older 6.8 (2-valve in my 2002) to the newer 3-valve version in the 2007 and the additional gear in the transmission. I think both of those things together will make my desire to have a 6-speed manual go out the window.
I'm just commenting because I am really a fan of the 6-speed in my friend's 2002 F-350 but I think I would get tired of changing gears all the time.
@@eldridge201 some of us will always prefer manuals to auto. I don’t mind shifting gears. Always enjoyed it. And yes, I have gone 6-700 miles. Towing at that with manual trucks
What’s even more impressive about Ford is their engine and transmission are designed and built in house. That might be why Ford trucks perform so well, everything is designed to work together.
Ford uses this as a advantage but I think it’s a good thing to collaborate with outside companies especially ones known for its history in the diesel business. I remember when Lexus collaborated with Yamaha to build the V10 in the LFA and that’s hands down the best sounding most respected engine ever built.
I do agree that the Fords powertrain work hand and hand better then RAM’s currently 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Ford is like Apple, where their devices are optimized because the software and hardware are designed to work together. In Ford’s case the engine, transmission and powertrain computers are all optimized to work together since they’re exclusively used in Ford trucks. Whereas Ram has a Cummins engine mated to a Toyota transmission. It works but they were never designed to work together.
Also, Yamaha has been making engines for Toyota since the ‘60’s. They have also made engines for Ford, the original Taurus SHO.
6.7 powerstroke was designed by AVL in Austria
@@beaus3472 they were an engineering consultant during the design phase and co-developed it with them to reduce development time. But that doesn’t change the fact that it is an in-house engine.
@@khakiswag Lol
Ford sure does have a lot of gadgets. Their mirrors are the best in the business by far. Comparing the two trucks isn't apples to apples but both trucks performed great. I don't have a need for a dually so when my 2021 Ram 3500 HO gets here I'll be crazy excited. Awesome video as always JB.
Nice, you picked the RAM! I don’t have a need for a dually but I’m sure one day I will pull a trigger on one! Did you look at a Sierra AT4?
@@JB_WhoWork I did look at the AT4 and it was very nice. I just liked how the Ram drove and really everything else about the Ram. The Aisin is definitely not as refined as the GM 10 speed but that really doesn't bother me at all.
And I e heard the Aisin in the 2021’s have gotten better so that should put that to bed too 👍🏾
I just got the camera for the back of my trailer and will setup Ford's Pro Backup Assist, review to come. Part of me thinks its pointless because I can back a trailer into some very tight spots but if it works as advertised it could be a huge time saver. Still no replacement for being able to back a trailer up but it might be a nice example of helpful tech!
Not apples to apples in terms of performance, stability, etc but in terms of price the MSRPs are darn close. When I was shopping lots of the Rams were right there in the high 80s to even low 90s even with a single rear wheel! To be fair I think Ram will deal a bit where the F-450s are so hard to find rn that the dealers are saying you want it you pay sticker or even a bit more. Thankfully through some connections I got Ford Executive pricing but don't think that played into my choice of Ford because I can get that pricing for almost any manufacturer (it's good to have powerful automotive industry friends 😁)!
Love the 450, always have. The 250/350 still suffers from the death wobble so I would go 450. One negative thing is the interior is cheap plastic and outdated but that will change soon to match the new 150 interior. But that equals significant higher cost making this 90k truck a 100k truck. Great job as usual, JB.
Any solid axle vehicle can get death wobble including ram/fiat hd's which can and do get death wobble quite often.
@@OmahaWayne wrong. Ram resolved their DW issue on the 4th gen and haven’t had any of it since. Ford still has not. Hence the fact they’re still getting sued continuously for it. And the federal site NHTSA is overran with DW complaints. Look at all the YT videos on the super duty death wobble, it’s pretty insane.
@@BigMikeRobinsonFJB LMAO...I know of 2019 rams that already have it. Goggle will show you many more.
If lawsuits meant anything fiat would have closed years ago. Wranglers have had it on every model since 1996
I agree, once they update interior, RAM is going to have to add a 450 to stay competitive, thanks bro 👍🏾
@@OmahaWayne wrong yet again. Actually get your facts straight and put the ford fan boy to the side before you comment.
That truck is the real deal!!!!!! I want one.
Nice review. Thank you
Good review brah!
Ram needs wide track on next Gen Dually
Mega Cab with long bed 🤣
Thanks Mikey, I hope that they add it, then you can just go 4500 👀
Take my 💰
No mega and long bed
Ford is kicking ass right now. They always set the bar and then the others come along. Like the "Torque wars" against RAM. They're @ 1,075 tq. What difference does 25 tq make?
Awesome review. You guys are dead on with the dually towing impressions. I’ve said it for years. The 3/4 and 1 ton SRW trucks are superior to 1/2 tons but at the end of the day they are still just pickups. A dually is made for this and it really makes towing feel like nothing is back there.
I also think you are selling your trailer a little short on how much a load it truly is. Pushing 10,000 pounds with that much tongue weight is a load. Bumper pulls tongue weight is worse than a fivers hitch weight because it’s so far behind the axle. Plus your trailer is pushing 35’ counting the tongue.
Now my observation about the Fords performance is i couldn’t really see a major difference in acceleration which I wasn’t truly expecting too. However I will say based off my truck I think mine downshifts more and gives more rpm to boot. However I think that might be due to gearing and that’s something people don’t think about. That 4.30:1 don’t have room to downshift too much or it would redline the truck. I think a 3.55:1 or 3.73:1 would actually perform better at that task.
Great video. I subbed his channel. Looking forward to seeing some videos from him. He seems like a cool knowledgeable guy about towing and trucks. Also I’m interested in what other horsepower he has lol.
Yup and you are spot on, nothing comes close to a dually and this video showed this! I’m looking forward to towing heavier (a lot heavier) with his and my truck!
Interesting point, Chevy went with the 3.42 with their 10 speed and I honestly think with the high gear ratio, a higher axle may not be necessary.
I’m sure he appreciates the support 👍🏾👍🏾
I think that was their reasoning and they are doing that across the board too. Even the half tons they went with a 3.23:1 for normal trucks and maybe 3.42:1 for the max tow trucks with 10 speeds.
Like my truck even just driving it empty with the exhaust brake on if I tip the brakes it almost instantly downshifts and then I end up having to give it gas because it gets too slow. Sometimes I just leave the exhaust brake off because of that.
Thanks for the subscription. I should have some videos by next weekend. For a little hint of some of other vehicles I'll have on my channel check out my Instagram page hitched_to_horsepower
I’m definitely saving up for a ford f450 dually my 5th wheel camper and my gooseneck trailer or inclosed trailer
Love the Ford Super Duty Period
How about a Ford 7.3 gasser and ram 6.4 towing Comparison
Dodge needs to make a detuned 7 liter truck hemi v8 to replace the 6.4 truck hemi
I look forward to it but so hope the RAM does better than the GM they tested up the Ike. The 7.3 beat it by close to 2 minutes.
Dam man Now I really have to make a decision do I go with the ram 3500 or the Ford You did not make this easy for me lol.
Are you in nascar truck race that you have to fuel rapidly or going to tow a trailer?
Ford F-450 turning is awesome. Thanks for finally reviewing an F-450 JB super review.
What up Ric?!?! Yea I am glad I found a viewer since I haven’t had time to find another Ford dealer... thanks for sharing, hope all is well 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Things could not be better Brother. Hope all is well with the family.
Awesome! All is 💯 here 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Love hearing all is good.
Good video bro RAM does need one
Thanks Albert and I agree 👍🏾
F-250 with high capacity tow option comes with 3” hitch as well.
Thanks 👍🏾
3” receiver is non sensical payload is everything
Ford shouldn’t offer F250 diesel as payload nothing F350 diesel and F250 gasser only
Ram needs to add panoramic roof and telescoping steering wheel!
I was under the impression that FORD's exhaust brake is very weak compared to any RAM diesel...
It has definitely gotten stronger compared to the 2017 I drove. I could hear/feel it this time around. RAM’s is still better and the transmission works better to slow you down 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork great video and a well needed topic!
Thanks bro 👍🏾
Nice!
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Frederick md, you’re local. If you ever want to do a 03 lb7 review lmk 😂
Hit me up mid next month!
By spec F450 is medium duty class but slids under legally because they limit weight stamp
Would like to see this in middle of summer and see the engine, tranny, etc temps then.
Well yeah because the F450 is such a beast that's why. Even though GM and Ram doesn't have to make anything like the F450 dually they have plenty of hauling power especially the ram with the high output cummins that one's still impressive even though it comes close but yeah ford just keeps going hard af and I guess they got sick and tired of hearing "Found On the Road Dead" or "Fixed Or Repaired Daily" and the engineers stepped their game up big time. And look how powerful they haul with a horse trailer that sucker still hauls like it's nothing with a horse trailer and passes people up easily like that F450 is a machine. Ford is really getting reliable when it comes to simple power. But I'm also a ram guy too I'm both Ford and Ram and maybe Toyota for full size trucks.
Will the f450 be a huge difference when it comes to insurance and registration
Nope, it has the same GVWR as the 350
How many miles to have problems in the Transmission?
This truck is a beast. My dads is deleted and nothing can touch it
I'm sure I'll delete mine, I done that with all my other diesels but after the warranty is out. There's part of me that wants it gone now because the emissions on diesels is such a huge cause of problems but I can't bring myself to void the warranty after spending almost $100 grand on a freaking pickup 😂
@@hitchedtohorsepower I did my f350 at 1000 miles, my dad did his 450 at 40,000. 450’s are badass. Gearing with those little tires get going. I’d say go till you have problems with your def, and you will then delete it. Dealer will give excuses on why it won’t be covered. After that I’d say they truck will last a long time and could tow the world
Fact bro, I feel the same way 👍🏾
@@jaimegutierrez3815 yup that's what I did with my Jeep Ecodiesel. The dealer quoted $5k to replace the diesel exhaust filter at 90k miles that was the time to delete it. At first it was great because the service manager was on board with the delete and said I'd be crazy to fix it. Even told me he'd still cover warranty stuff on everything else unfortunately he quit that dealership a couple months later 😒
I have the 3500 Ram Dually with the 4.10 gearing and I have the same performance as that 450. Plus mine was cheaper. Win!
Ya, it's crazy how much more expensive the 450 is. Ford capitalizing on the higher number to justify a 10k+ increase
Stock for stock , No you don’t. Unless your truck is deleted and tuned lol don’t be a fan boy! 😂
@@Matts000 guess it depends on what is meant by performance.
LMAO
Same performance?! Not in a million years
The Ford is:
Faster
Same fuel mileage
Turns better
Tows more
Looks much better
So...how did you win?!
LMAO😂😂😂😂
Get a Ford
@@mattieice4689 enough with he fan boy stuff. It is faster for sure but actually has a lower payload than a comparably equipped Ram CC. The max towing is a few thousand lbs more but the payload being lower makes that meaningless because you aren't gonna hit the max tow before you're overloaded.
What is the small screen on the left above the dash? Is the truck tuned?
Edge insight CTS3
It’s a display that uses the OBD2 to watch the parameters of the truck and has many PIDs that you can preselect to monitor (Exhaust gas temperatures, DPF soot accumulation and regen status, boost) and so many more. Good investment if you’re interested in the performance of your vehicle snd the details it can offer.
Yes CTS3. I like being able to keep an eye on all the important temps while towing.
@@hitchedtohorsepower what measurements are you most interested in that the trucks screens don't have?
@@matthewr3986 EGTs are a good example of overall health. The cluster will give you engine oil temp but usually not coolant temp, the position of the vanes in the variable turbos if you start noticing that it's slow to change under throttle that can give you a hint that there's some sticking which if you catch that early you might be able to save the turbo. Fuel in the rail temp for driving in extremely cold weather will let you know if you need to be adding anti-gel or is the fuel system doing its job. Also just the trans fluid, engine oil, and coolant temp right in front of you at all times no matter what you're using the cluster for might give you a few minutes warning of a problem an that could save a motor or transmission. The CTS3 also allows you to manually regenerate the diesel exhaust filter which is the biggest reliability problem with all newer diesel. The computer should keep up on it but sometimes it doesn't. We know how we've driven our trucks and more importantly might know what we're about to do so if we know we are about coming into a city at rush hour but have 30 minutes of highway driving regen the filter so it never gets to full because they are ridiculously expensive if they fail. On my Jeep Ecodiesel mine went out at 90k miles and the dealer said it's not covered by warranty and it was $5,000 to replace if nothing broke while it was being done and they said most likely something would break!
I think Ford rules the big tow package trucks right now. Let's see if Ram can get an 8-10 speed transmission. GMC needs to up their torque by 150 foot pounds.
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Oh and don't let me forget the wide track front end for Ram and GMC.
why don't Ford have the temperature for the Axle, that is something good to know. When towing its good to know if your axle is overheating.
Do you have a CDL? Im guessing your trailer GVWR is over 12K and the F-450 is 14K (puts you over 26K GCWR pretty fast). That is the biggest problem with a dually for me.
Most trailers manufacturers like this rate the GVWR at 9,900 or so to avoid several problems. It also helps people that want to park their trailers at their homes. HOAs of course make their own rules but in most areas that have laws about parking in residential areas if the trailer is rated at 10k or more it's commercial and can't be parked but under 10k your free to do what you want. My trailer has 2 5200lb axles so it's only rated slightly under but I've seen ones with 2 7k axles that the manufacturer will let you option a sub 10k GVWR. Also if DOT pulls you over and suspect your over 26k they have to stick it on the scales, if you're not over 26k you are fine without a CDL. Another thing to keep in mind is a 1 ton single rear wheel is actually rated to tow slightly more than a DRW because the truck weights less and the suspension is basically the same. The duals don't add towing capacity just stability, which is huge if you're towing a lot.
There are 12 states that require a non-CDL-A license ! Check with your state DMV.
@@TonyBenton0728 That would work for in state travel only.
@@KnightAtomic If you are not involved with commercial hauling that’s all you need. I live in Georgia we don’t need a Non CDL-A to pull a combined gross weight over 26,000 lbs if we are not involved in commercial hauling. There are states that do require a Non CDL-A to pull some RV trailers .Illinois is the strictest because of length. I have looked it up . Because on another CZcams channel I got into a long back and forth with this person thinking he knew more than anyone else. I have a CDL because I drove for over 41 years retired now ; I can’t drive commercial because I don’t have a medical card.
@@TonyBenton0728 I know here in ND they are getting more strict. 26001 if trailer is over 10000 CDL-A is required unless you are a farmer within so many miles of your farm. Have had many friends get hit for not having it when pulling a LQ horse trailer with a dually.
Went from Chicago to Pennsylvania in a friends f350 pulling 8,000 lb. trailer. By the time we got into Ohio my back was so beat up from the stiffness of the suspension I vowed to never ride in his truck again. My brothers Chevy crew cab 2500 diesel is night and day better suspension wise than the f350.
I’ve heard this from a few other viewers. Was his a work truck?
@@JB_WhoWork NO. it is used for pulling a 16,000 lb. 48 ft. race car trailer.
Good video $2.95 for diesel ⛽️. Good days!
Thanks! It’s insane isn’t it???
Diesel is pretty good and not expensive
Love the 450 but don't need the 4.30 gears. My 2015 F-250 would cruise at 85 mph at 2000 rpm.
F250 vs F450 is apples oranges, with your criteria by Prius
I will say this sitting on the side of your camera I watched your previous video with the ram you guys are getting thrown around in the cab in the F4 50 when you’re driving in the snow that looks really rough
Do the ford f 450 use the CP4 fuel pumps ? I know the 2021 RAM went back to the CP3. I:am a little concerned about the CP4. That's the only thing I have against the fords.
Ford uses the cp4.2. Arod powerstroke tech just had a video of a 2013 6.7 powerstroke, 1.3 million miles. Mostly orginal motor/pump and only did brakes 2x and it is deleted.
Big thing is replace the fuel filter often, every 10k or so. Better yet but an aftermarket larger fuel filter on. I haven't put any aftermarket parts on this truck yet except for the Edge Products CTS3 and that only monitors the truck it doesn't alter anything. On my 06 Silverado 3500 Duramax a huge Cat fuel filter was one of the first things I did and I think it helped a lot. It was sure easier to change than the factory filter that required removing the passenger side wheel and fender cover!
I believe that a good aftermarket fuel filters are the best defiance against a fuel pump failure. I think If the fix was that easy, then why was the CP4 replaced with a CP4.2 and RAM going back to the CP3. IT'S such an expensive repair if one goes out. Right know I think that I'm siding with the RAM and the CP3. Even though I love the turning radius of the F 450.
@@Thomas-er2uw yeah a good fuel filter isn't going to compete prevent against fuel pump failure but I'll still go with one. I ended up replacing the CP3 on my Silverado at about 275k miles. It hadn't failed but the psi was starting to drop and I since I was replacing injectors I didn't want to destroy them if the pump failed. Interesting thing is shortly before the psi started dropping I was losing prime, there was a small hole in the fuel system somewhere. I ended up replacing the cat filter with a lift pump/ filter. I always wondered if the air in the system started damage the pump.
The CP4 was designed to use European High Grade Diesel, in the U.S. we have low quality. The key is to use Ford or a reputable Cetane Booster to properly lubricate the CP4. I had a 14' go half million miles no problem. My 18' injectors started to have to much flow back and decided to replace the entire CP4 and just replace the fuel injectors and added a bypass fuel disaster kit. All this was at 311k miles. The engine is extremely reliable, worth every penny.
Ahh good ole Fredneck MD. lol
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How much weight were you towing, I missed it.
Watch all the way through, it’s in there 😀
@@JB_WhoWork I did, ADD Ya know.
Lol! I’m gonna start putting it closer to the beginning 👍🏾! I have ADD too lmao 😂
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JB, I'm worried about you jumping ship Brother!
lol!!! Who know what the future holds 🤷♂️
@@JB_WhoWork I always say if I could build my dream Truck it would be a F-450 with a Cummins HO and Allison transmission.
Man that would be a really nice combo and would add a 15k GVWR and it would be golden 👍🏾
Were was there extra 1000 rpm over the Cummins ? Cummins is 3000 rpm to power didn’t look all that impressive to me .
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Ford needs to get off the stick and get an exhaust brake that actually works. Uphill ain't the problem. Downhill is. I know multiple people that turned down the new Fords for that 1 reason. All of them went to Ram even though they liked the Ford better because the Ram exhaust brake is worlds better than Ford's
There is no comparison. Ram is night and day better. I drive a Ram 4500 for my hothsot trucking business and the exhaust break is awesome. Ford needs a big improvement to even come close.
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Just as impressive 570 miles to E!!
😂😂😂! Going up grades is no joke towing
Wait till I put out the video on the 100 gallon aux tank that's going in soon! 148 gallons should get me about 1,700 miles towing and over 2,400 unloaded!!!
Trans temp during drive?
It didn’t change from when I discussed it at the end
Ram 3500 HO Cummins Turbo-Diesel has 1,075 LB-FT TQ
Isn't it a little bit counter intuitive to have more towing capacity but less payload with the f450? I was just looking at the numbers. To get passed the 30k tow number your tongue weight on a lot of trailers is likely going to need the extra payload that the f350 dually has but then it's rated to tow less.
Probably why RAM hasn’t built this truck yet because a MegaCab dually is below 5k...
@@JB_WhoWork According to the VIN lookup on my Limited MegaCab Dually it says; Max Payload: 5084.18lbs Max Towing: 34084.18lbs.
Must be with max tow w/ hitch in the bed then 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork ya must be. I'm sure it's gooseneck as well and not 5th wheel. I wish they'd give you mad tow for everything all in one place. They list max bumper pull in some other literature. GM is doing it right putting all that stuff in a sticker inside the truck.
I agree, GM makes life easier with towing information 👍🏾
You can actually pull triple actual enclosed trailer
JB, will you leave Ram for a Ford?
Probably not but I will definitely own one in the future 👍🏾
Wait until you gotta replace those 19.5 tires . Lol 😂 $$$$$. Pay 💰 up ! 🙈
This!!!
Yes they are expensive, $300 to $350 each but since they are commercial grade tires they should last about twice as long as the 16" or 17" on a 1 ton. The tires for my last truck were $270ish each so yeah its a huge hit when you have to get them but less overall. It also pays to have a great relationship with a time shop that will take the tires off the wheels to rotate them every 10k miles and they should go 120k miles 🤞. They were quite good in the snow too! I wasn't expecting it to be great because of the tires but it went down unplowed roads with 6ish inches on it without any problems!
If I'm getting that I'm deleting it The 1st thing I am doing
See there, I told you I was disputing your RAM claim.
Still no better engine than Cummins. The guy talked about having more RPM to play with but Cummins straight 6 already has that. Also, you're comparing a softball to a bowling ball, with the 4500 Dully vs. 3500 single track. I can take a dully 3500 vs. a single 3500 and you will say the same thing about how nice it tows. Also, 373 gears vs. 430 gears, stupid crazy difference.
I have noticed the Ford 10 speed transmission does run hotter (on average) than an Aisin or Allison branded GM. 208F would be very high for the Aisin.
208 is nothing for Ford, they run hotter. Minimum temperature to accurately check fluid level is 193. The PCM won’t engage the cooling fan clutch for transmission temperature until it reaches 240.
@@khakiswag Yes, I have read where this is the case. I'm not an expert, but it seems the hotter temps could be an issue when it comes to fluid breakdown based on some of the info available out there, unless Ford is using a high-heat tolerant fluid. www.txchange.com/heatchrt.htm
Its better to compare with a Dodge Ram 3500. Apples to apples.
I hear a lot of hot shot drivers complain about the 10 speed and in all Fords for that matter.
😂 yeah ok
not very clear with the cameras
And still uses a CP4...
Get good diesel and it should last a long time 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork You can never guarantee the quality of diesel in the ground at a gas station... I roll a '06 LBZ so I'm not worried about it. However, its a known issue regardless, and have cost a lot of people a lot of money, hence why Dodge went back to the CP3 in 2021 and GM on the LP5.
But Fords are good to löök at
No you want trade your Ram are kidding me i dare you
I'd still take a ram over ford.
I went back and forth between this, the Ram and the Silverado but the axle settled it for me. The 10 speed was also a big plus for both Ford and GM. Most of the Rams I priced out were within a couple grand for 3500. The GMs are quite a bit cheaper and while I was tempted to save the ten grand I figured I tend to keep trucks for 10 to 15 years so over that the extra wasn't as much of a factor. Plus if I do decide to get rid of it the 450s take the amazing resale of all diesel trucks and does even better. But all these new trucks are so amazing and far more capable than almost all users will ever ask of them that you really can't make a bad decision. Just stay up pm the maintenance and they'll last a long time!! Thanks for watching and I hope you check out some of my upcoming videos. They should start coming out by next Sunday 😁
Tried dodge or ram junk compared to Ford I tried to like it but nope not even close really Ford is just a better built truck. But they are all nice but Ford just seems to be more of a truck rougher ride
@@greglewellen4510 I wonder if that Ford will have death wobble after 10000 miles.
@@davidharris9259 well I’ve had about 8 of them and all lifted some leveled only one death wobbled and it was a loose bushing on track bar. Made a bushing never failed again.
Ur a sell out bro that truck is a 450 duelly long box with a programmer
Doesn’t have a tune, just reads out data. Watch the first video I did on the truck
It's not programed or tuned in any way. The screen is an Edge Products CTS3 that is only monitoring temps and other parameters. They can manage a tune but I don't have anything performance done.
Fords are weekend warriors ram is a everyday tow vehicle. Way to many problems with fords I’ve seen in my field
Cool story
Nah, not winning. The inside on the Ford is fugly.
It works in my opinion but it wouldn’t win many contest if comparing interior 👍🏾