AVRL: "This is worse than Contenders from last year" | Uncoachable Episode 19

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  • čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
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    In our longest episode yet, we're joined by OWL caster and streamer AVRL as he gives his insights into the behind-the-scenes of OWCS and the budget constraints holding the broadcast back, and his overall thoughts on the current standings of Overwatch Esports.
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    0:00:00 Coming Up
    0:01:36 Plat Chat Intro Segment
    0:04:39 Swiss Stage
    0:07:17 Capitology
    0:15:13 Back to Swiss Stage
    0:41:35 Budget Affecting Quality of OWCS
    0:56:55 The Quality of the Broadcast
    1:59:55 Ex Oblivione Drama
    2:28:00 Twisted Minds New Signings
    2:33:36 ROC Esports Drama
    2:37:53 Korean Uncoachable
    2:48:20 Falcons Win and Korea Recap
    3:02:14 Crazy Raccoon and Japan OWCS
    3:09:40 Low FACEIT League Signups
    3:35:34 QUIZ!
    3:42:23 Client of the Week
    3:45:53 Rank the Guest
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Komentáře • 93

  • @SimplyDoomSlayer
    @SimplyDoomSlayer Před 2 měsíci +70

    0:00:00 Start of video
    1:45:07 Unter pouring water UNBELIEVABLY loudly and then giving a shit-eating grin
    3:50:14 End of video

  • @tloydie6383
    @tloydie6383 Před 2 měsíci +119

    yaki mention at 1:38, this could be an unbeatable record

    • @tloydie6383
      @tloydie6383 Před 2 měsíci +21

      chris' mic and camera already out of sync, this episode has top 1 potential.

    • @Roch-kl5ge
      @Roch-kl5ge Před 2 měsíci +1

      We getting a Yaki mention leaderboard right?

    • @djsr61
      @djsr61 Před 2 měsíci +5

      we’ll have to see the speed running committee accepts this run, wasn’t a natural conversation mention, but a forced one.

    • @trucywrightREAL
      @trucywrightREAL Před 2 měsíci

      thank you🙏

  • @AetherMoose
    @AetherMoose Před 2 měsíci +47

    Im convinced that the operating budget for the entirety of OWCS, wouldn’t be able to afford to run a single Season 1 OWL team.

    • @lucas411_
      @lucas411_ Před 2 měsíci +9

      Honestly you are almost certainly right

    • @magicmarker7658
      @magicmarker7658 Před 2 měsíci +2

      That’s just how it is. It’s gotta be rebuilt from the ground up.

  • @jsels777
    @jsels777 Před 2 měsíci +41

    And here again we have four bright young men with loads of ambition, competence, and ability to speak, coming together for their 19th week in a row to discuss overwatch esports

  • @-mattking
    @-mattking Před 2 měsíci +9

    0:29:44 Fully agree with Avrl that it's just impossible as a casual viewer to follow these games. Even as someone who's watched OWL for years, I find myself just looking for results on twitter because it's way too much effort to go searching for individual POVs during the matches

  • @iroh6815
    @iroh6815 Před 2 měsíci +83

    Holy yappington 4 hours

    • @duckdudette
      @duckdudette Před 2 měsíci +5

      I'm loving the trend of the episodes getting longer!

    • @quanked
      @quanked Před 2 měsíci +8

      The podcast is getting 2 hours longer every 20 episodes can't wait for the episode 220 24 hour special

    • @matthewmccloskey515
      @matthewmccloskey515 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I'm all for it

  • @knaki2521
    @knaki2521 Před 2 měsíci +7

    27:10 Peps had a few thousand veiwer with Poko doing watchparty, it was very hype seeing them take 2 map to ENCE

  • @nuj6802
    @nuj6802 Před 2 měsíci +12

    AVRL’s podcast aura is so powerful I forgot this wasn’t his main podcast

  • @fatneckbeard7334
    @fatneckbeard7334 Před 2 měsíci +23

    I'm sorry for the competitors but rolling EMEA and NA into one product is one of the best decisions they've made in this new system. Im one of those losers who still watched OWL the last couple seasons and even i wouldnt have been watching NA if it wasnt immediately after EU

    • @jonathangoliath91
      @jonathangoliath91 Před 2 měsíci +3

      yeah they're targeting viewers of convenience who watch something only cus it's put in front of them

  • @yasuh4550
    @yasuh4550 Před 2 měsíci +6

    In spite of the accusations of perhaps lack of empathy, I really think that Chris is the HEART of the show. Bro cares and is passionate.

    • @actionmarco8556
      @actionmarco8556 Před měsícem +2

      they should put Chris in charge of the broadcast for EMEA/NA

  • @milkwithpulp2083
    @milkwithpulp2083 Před 2 měsíci +17

    we should start scripting OWCS matches like its WWE

  • @zaku2939
    @zaku2939 Před 2 měsíci +21

    Sure Nekkra might be more energetic/fun than Avrl but does she even play overwatch or follow any overwatch at all when she's not being paid to do so? It doesn't seem like it by listening her cast. She seems like the biggest sweetheart so I feel bad that casting Pokemon regionals are 4/days per month max (with a lot of travelling too) because I think she fits that role perfectly.
    People like Custa and AVRL have the passion for overwatch, they care, they put in effort to follow the game (and the scene) a lot in their free time. I was actually shocked that AVRL kept track of contenders so much even when he was employed (or at least it seemed like it). It's obvious that passion/knowledge for the game was not their #1 hiring criteria (assuming that everyone involved requested approximately the same salary/pay).
    I guess I'm closer to hardcore viewer (like AVRL said) so that's a bias of mine, just like a lot of redditors.

  • @genericname7163
    @genericname7163 Před 2 měsíci +33

    bless my chungus life

  • @brianward308
    @brianward308 Před 2 měsíci +12

    No one is going to beat the Yaki record. This record could live on for years

  • @KaiDoesMineCraft10
    @KaiDoesMineCraft10 Před 2 měsíci +4

    What Christfer is talking about at ~ 2:51:00 reminds about how in the FGC they will talk about head-to-heads in terms of matchups
    Where one character will tend to win 7 games out of 10, because in fighting games they will frequently play in sets of many games of many rounds. So you can see played our in front of you how a person who is better than another will lose a few rounds or a few sets but will usually win more.
    I generally think while other sports or games are team-based head-to-heads can always be represented more as a matchup, as some ratio

  • @AetherMoose
    @AetherMoose Před 2 měsíci +7

    Chris should give his players a weekly reward for whoever gives the best trash talk during a match or even on socials. incentivize it

  • @divingbird143
    @divingbird143 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Avral is the goat guest

  • @Kajor1
    @Kajor1 Před 2 měsíci +15

    Capitology my goat 🐐

    • @Anima_Kesil
      @Anima_Kesil Před 2 měsíci +1

      My jaw dropped to see him get his own section LOL

  • @Kurena
    @Kurena Před 2 měsíci +1

    The quiz might be the best part but whenever I hear genji is with you I know my second favourite part is on the way

  • @pranavsrao6
    @pranavsrao6 Před 2 měsíci +7

    1:10:00 I think what avrl says about you can only shit talk while winning is definitely true. I remember in season 2 people hated super because he used to shit talk and reddit called him racist cuz he called the titans 'ugly sloppy players' but that all kinda went away when shock started winning.

  • @temmoi5681
    @temmoi5681 Před 2 měsíci +18

    THEY GOT AVRL

  • @hannie-byt3
    @hannie-byt3 Před 2 měsíci +3

    “overwatch…still a fucking crippled product which no one in their right mind would watch over another esport.” Chris! What an indictment!

  • @NineKK999
    @NineKK999 Před 2 měsíci +4

    The Goat Avrl.

  • @thiinkiing
    @thiinkiing Před 2 měsíci +2

    shoutout to unter the prop comic 3:06:50

  • @iampineappleonpizza
    @iampineappleonpizza Před 2 měsíci +10

    The yappocalypse is here... 💀😩

  • @astralinhd4976
    @astralinhd4976 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I agree with Chris in regards to the Swiss stage. I never watch anyone on Overwashed, but I was really excited to watch them play Swiss.

  • @SE7VENprod
    @SE7VENprod Před 2 měsíci +4

    Not lying about saudi fans, during world cup i got so many death threats for just rooting for the opposite team

  • @Matt-qm1th
    @Matt-qm1th Před 2 měsíci +3

    53:00 ( general section) I personally think the Asian broadcast talent is significantly better, the casters are much more enjoyable to listen to, they feel like real people who actually understand the game, they criticise bad plays and commentate with proper discussion. While I’ve seen many plays in na and EMEA where the casters just don’t want to be negative at all and it feels like they just glaze everyone even when they play like complete shit. The Korean casters feel more genuine and I actually enjoy listening to almost all of them( especially ninek and unknown)

    • @actionmarco8556
      @actionmarco8556 Před měsícem +2

      you are not wrong. But the language barrier thing is true, too. I think Gclef and Unknown are fine, but NineK is really hard to understand sometimes. And yeah, we all love the guy, but ...

  • @GuerriIla
    @GuerriIla Před 2 měsíci +4

    So when are we getting capitology on uncoachable

  • @RuneSkimmy
    @RuneSkimmy Před 2 měsíci +3

    "is the price barrier really that prohibitive for faceit league?". all of those discord leagues that you mentioned are free and have dozens of teams with heavy moderation against smurfing, casted matches, etc. All for free. Average age of these leagues is probably 20 or below, not a demo with much expendable income. and again, even with expendable income, these leagues do the job for free and offer more. I don't see unique niche that faceit is trying to fill, this seems like an already solved problem.

  • @JimmyTheRabbit
    @JimmyTheRabbit Před 2 měsíci +4

    the sub to patreon to cancel us bit was inspired 😂

  • @HaxenCo2023
    @HaxenCo2023 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What a lot of people don't realize is that what we have is contenders with a bit of extra money. People were begging for this. Also, contenders did tend not to stream some matches. Especially on Day 1 and 2

    • @stetague1636
      @stetague1636 Před měsícem

      People love to complain but the views speaks for it'self

  • @voidjet2777
    @voidjet2777 Před 2 měsíci

    Can we get the Press Q live link?!

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks!

  • @knaki2521
    @knaki2521 Před 2 měsíci +1

    29:20 Holy yapp, Swiss is very popular

  • @TSUNGFX
    @TSUNGFX Před 2 měsíci +2

    Haven’t watched yet but I love seeing avrl

  • @Youknowmikekhan
    @Youknowmikekhan Před 2 měsíci

    I like over heads ,povs, and I wish I could hear every callout

  • @tsotnats
    @tsotnats Před 2 měsíci

    As someone that got into the game after the switch to 5v5, the only reason i started watching overwatch esport is because streamer teams got into owcs. I dont know who kevster or kai are, and I never saw them stream - sometimes their names show up in some gm ranked games, thats it. Why should i care about whether two guys i dont even know the faces of win a tournament against a bunch of other faceless players? Like you said, sports is always about emotions (of which shittalking and getting mad definitely is a part of). Coming from counterstrike, retired pros are so popular that they can just stream fulltime after quitting and still live comfortably. When it comes to overwatch, half of the players dont have a picture on liquipedia and I cant find anything about them.

  • @At0micFruit
    @At0micFruit Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think FACEIT League promotion has been severely lacking - and they only seem to be promoting it to a small audience. Genuinely think the only way they are going to drive reasonable sign-ups is if the main OW accounts (talking the playoverwatch accounts, not OW Esports etc.) promote on socials and in an ideal world in game. OW's esports scene in general has always felt really detached from the core game to me, the closest we ever got was around the 2023 World Cup with the splash screen and shop bundle, and then very infrequently some mention of OWL in some forgotten part of the menu. Until they change their approach I don't see how they get the average OW player invested or even just initially intrigued.

  • @SubwayLover
    @SubwayLover Před měsícem +1

    Watching this while shitting on the toilet 💯💯

  • @Kronman590
    @Kronman590 Před 2 měsíci

    I cant believe they had the king of korean contenders on and didnt make the quiz like name every player who won kr contenders smh

  • @redyoshi6554
    @redyoshi6554 Před 2 měsíci

    I can say as someone who doesn't go on reddit or usually comment on Overwatch in general. I have stopped watching the official broadcasts and started watching watch parties instead because they are more knowledgeable about the game and aren't just stating the obvious.

  • @re1ser_f175
    @re1ser_f175 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I thought Mag being prohibited to compete in EMEA made sense, but I was also confused by spectra not being allowed because I thought he was on M80 playing in NA. At the same time I was confused by TM being allowed to sign Kellan and vigilante since they were in the same boat as Mag

    • @kryptokly1435
      @kryptokly1435 Před 2 měsíci

      spectra was allowed, no idea why he wasn't on the team

    • @avidcule
      @avidcule Před 2 měsíci

      Spectra was allowed but he would only join if Mag joined.

    • @genericname7163
      @genericname7163 Před 2 měsíci

      Kellad and vigi are signed but theye cant play unti after roster lock ends

  • @mr.izanami1796
    @mr.izanami1796 Před 2 měsíci

    We need someone to track the minutes chris yapps in each episode!

  • @hijaudragon
    @hijaudragon Před 2 měsíci +2

    AVRL was thinking of Frankie

  • @maxl6384
    @maxl6384 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Unc-oachable

  • @spacejazz6272
    @spacejazz6272 Před 2 měsíci

    i feel like Unter is actually cooking with the top 8 auto qualify and the swiss is just for 9-16. am i missing something obvious for why it's a bad idea?

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 18 dny

    anyone see jaynes new transition LOL, "sarah invented esports" now

  • @WiSims
    @WiSims Před 2 měsíci

    Do you guys think the viability of OW Faceit competition would be stronger if they let more teams "keep playing"? Like FaceIt already places every team at the end of swiss stage. The Top 16 are the only ones that move on, rightfully so, with prize pool/broadcast. Why not keep doing that but also run brackets for teams 17 - 50 or 51-100? No broadcast, maybe a buy in entry fee to fund prize pool then go on to play in their own semi casual beer leagues against the other teams in your tier. So even if you're gonna get smashed by a top team, you'll still keep playing and have a reason outside of comp. It seems that's what they're trying to do but why not attach it more with the blizzard product?

  • @lukebalogh3676
    @lukebalogh3676 Před 2 měsíci

    cool series. good talking points. owcs doomed to have shit coverage tbh, very sad but at least theres some good banter to watch on here

  • @SleepingDoishy
    @SleepingDoishy Před 2 měsíci +1

    YAKI!

  • @alexwacker6366
    @alexwacker6366 Před 2 měsíci

    Yo, CGL mention!

  • @mfg587
    @mfg587 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I get the ufo thing

    • @mfg587
      @mfg587 Před 2 měsíci

      LOL this is great

  • @VesselSplat
    @VesselSplat Před 2 měsíci

    For how many times they have said it, I don't think they ever done it 10:20

  • @broelocklite3875
    @broelocklite3875 Před 2 měsíci +1

    sp9rk1e making the world cup team is funnier when you know he was booster but no one cares that he did it at this point

  • @ReedoTV
    @ReedoTV Před 2 měsíci +1

    Esports is definitely a ground up thing. Just look at Smash Bros.
    They are happy if they made enough money to pay for petrol and the Nintendo thugs didn't turn up and take a bat to their GameCubes.

  • @airculver
    @airculver Před 2 měsíci

    Hitler referenced at 1:19:14

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 2 měsíci

    blinkertonow approved.

  • @macyyyyyyyyyyy
    @macyyyyyyyyyyy Před 2 měsíci

    "need to get emongg to promote faceit" nice pred avrl

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 2 měsíci

    but AVRL the real goat

  • @Nett11
    @Nett11 Před 2 měsíci +4

    T

  • @actionmarco8556
    @actionmarco8556 Před měsícem

    What is Unter drinking there? Don't tell me you drink Budweiser man...

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 2 měsíci

    Unter goat

  • @gnade1330
    @gnade1330 Před 2 měsíci

    keep doing 4 hours

  • @hamoudalqarni7237
    @hamoudalqarni7237 Před 2 měsíci +3

    EXO team is the best at virtue signaling and hypocrisy. I think they want to be the righteous but they come off as manipulative hypocrites. I just feel bad for their current players and I hope they do will next stage.

    • @avidcule
      @avidcule Před 2 měsíci

      I hope their players leave, fuck Exo.

  • @ryanjarvis7225
    @ryanjarvis7225 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Why did Unter say that choosing Custa/Jaws over Nekkra/Lemonkiwi was an appeal to tradition? Super weird comment, again

  • @stetague1636
    @stetague1636 Před měsícem

    All the money has gone on terrible casting and pronouns under the players names

  • @PhillipMoxley
    @PhillipMoxley Před 2 měsíci

    WDG are a joke, honestly. They've made poor decision after poor decision after poor decision

  • @Nic-so3zn
    @Nic-so3zn Před 2 měsíci +1

    AVRL IS SO FUCKING BORING DUDE

  • @masonbridgers4085
    @masonbridgers4085 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks!