A couple of updates from CES to the specs discussed in this video. The monitor panels will apparently offer 1000/400/250 nits brightness which we believe is for 1-3%, 10% and 100% APL measurements. The durability improvements for monitors is 1.5x, and for TV's it is 2x.
250nit @ 100% APL for QD-OLED sounds about the same as last year, but 2x durability is of course great for long term usage. Personally I'd just want a desktop size 16:9 27" 1440p 240Hz QD-OLED.
@@tftcentral The Rtings review of both S95B(1st gen) and S95C(2nd gen) show a microscopic picture of the pixel layout and it's exactly the same. I have no idea what the real situation is at this point. Maybe they kept the same for the first two generations specifically for TV panels and will update finally on 3rd gen.
Perhaps that change was only applicable to monitor panels where there’s a focus on text clarity. Looking back at the slides we were taken through that only really talks about it in the context of the new high PPI panels
Love the content, it makes it so much easier to plan ahead when you know where the tech is going and what's coming up and going to actually be available to buy.
Very much appreciate how in-depth these videos (and the website) are. You and Hardware/Monitors Unboxed are pretty much the only places to get genuine monitor reviews/information from an actually knowledgeable source - so, please keep it up. Personally, I’m very much looking forward to these 32” 4k panels, but I am worried about the DP1.4 w/ DSC connectivity. I’m not really inclined to believe it is the dealbreaker that many on Reddit and CZcams think it is, but I’m curious if you have any plans for an in-depth analysis on if it affects image quality and/or creates additional issues with the user experience? I have seen a few comments saying that it can cause obnoxiously long black screens when alt+tabbing on nvidia gpus, and I’m worried that since it will be compressing even more data than normal DSC use cases (i.e. 4k 144hz/165hz) it could exacerbate anything previously perceived as a non-issue. I think an in-depth video like that would go a long way to ease I and many other users woes before making such an expensive purchase.
Thanks for the feedback and I’m really glad you’ve found the content interesting. Funnily enough we’ve very recently published a detailed article all about DP 2.1 and this topic. If lent itself better to written format than video and it will be available publicly mid this week, although available early access for our Patreon supporters already tftcentral.co.uk/articles/when-is-displayport-2-1-going-to-be-used-on-monitors You may also find the podcast/video I did with Tim from HUB interesting 😀 czcams.com/video/H4XqJacLaGQ/video.htmlsi=X6c1fF5WOC7zaYpC
This would be great, agreed. The HP Omen QD-OLED should have DisplayPort 2.1. I've heard that there can be some issues with DSC on Linux as well, and it can theoretically limit supersampling, since it does require display engine hardware to perform DSC.
@@tftcentralin that article I found reference to "dsc 2.0" and "dsc 3.0" which I'm puzzled by... I thought the latest version is 1.2a and in fact, I can find no information about a 2.0 and 3.0 version anywhere... so what is the article really referring to?
Burn out is something you buy, you still have to baby it to last any meaningful amount of time. First oled screen came out in 2009 for samsung phone and 15 years later it is still a problem, so not gone go away unless oled will change from the ground, meaning things that emit light. For now everyone just dodging problem with all the pixel refreshers and brightness compensations to hide burnout of pixels, and these techs is band aid, not armor.
rttings tested burn in and at first they found worse burn in than in woled panels but then came a firmware update that fixed "burn in" cause turns out it was just buggy software on the pixel refresh side. so it seems burn in is indeed not really bad with qd-oled panels and Dell gives you a 3 year warranty for burn in too
The only problem is a flat panel is so un ideal. My peripheral vision for flicks in fps games is much better using a curved panel. I hit more shots using a 1000r curve vs flat. My eyes also have less eye strain.
Thanks for compiling a list of monitors using the 3rd gen Samsung QD-LED panels. I was unable to find a list anywhere else, so I appreciate the effort you put into curating this data. I also enjoyed your explanations between the different gens of QD-OLED.
If the smaller panels indeed carry these 3rd gen benefits other than the brightness increase, it's good news for monitor buyers. Hopefully combined with additional new OLED care techniques like border/multilogo detection, the new panels can already be safely used for most productivity work.
The new 27” and 31.5” QD OLED panels are definitely gen 3 panels with the various benefits covered in this video, although the monitor peak brightness is still limited to 1000 nits I’m afraid
@@tftcentralWhy would anyone want a monitor that can do peak brightness above 1000? Unless you don't value your eyes of course. Peak brightness of 1000 should be plenty enough.
Very tempted to buy 32 inch 4k monitor but decided on the 42 inch LG C3, i prefer bigger screen for more immersion. Great video, looking forward to the new monitor reviews 👍
Really excited to see if the VRR gamma shift/flicker is resolved as Samsung's press release seems to have indicated. I was one of the first early adopters of the LG C9 and noticed it right away, reached out to John Archer from Forbes, and he reported on it and got LG to put out a statement about the issue. I've always thought that gamma shift wasn't fixable, but maybe it finally is.
I was holding off for the flat 32 inch 4k qd oleds but I couldn’t resist ordering the Alienware this morning. Excited to give it a try when it shows up and hoping the curve feels fine and looks good.
Does that mean that G9 OLED 2024 version (G95SD/G93SD) will not get "proper" 3rd gen OLED panel ? And this will be still gen 2 panel with some enhancements like "OLED glare free" and "OLED Safeguard" ?
Please, 34-40" ultrawide 240hz qd oled or the new WOLED RGWB. Also manufacturers, please ditch the ridiculous 800R curvature. I dont need 34" VR glasses. 1500R/1200R please.
Thanks. Is that increase in brightness and durability, while retaining last year's energy consumption, due to using phosphorescent blue OLED or has that technological improvement not yet come to the monitor space? Has it been integrated into Samsung and LG TVs for 2024, at least?
sat here with a LG c3 i just bought that has a really bad pink tint on the 3rd right of the screen when sat in center, Deciding whether to get a refund and get a new updated screen or just send back for straight replacement, i should just get refund then get the new generation qd oled instead shouldn't I really? :S ( i mostly do desktop and gaming use on PC)
Very interested in the ELMB information along with if its compatible with g-sync Pulsar. NVIDIA said its coming to PG27 monitors in 2024 and the only one I know of is a OLED
It won’t be on their OLED I’m afraid as those don’t feature the Native Gsync module. See here for info on NVIDIA Gsync Pulsar and the forthcoming PG27 monitor tftcentral.co.uk/news/nvidia-launch-g-sync-pulsar-allowing-ulmb-at-the-same-time-as-variable-refresh-rates But Asus are adding BFI to their oled monitors (but not at same time as VRR) tftcentral.co.uk/news/bfi-black-frame-insertion-to-feature-on-the-new-asus-rog-oled-gaming-monitors
@@tftcentral as a motion clarity enthusiast it sucks to hear it's not coming to OLED and I hope NVIDIA is looking to extend this to other display types. With that said ELMB is very disappointing. Not only because if doesn't feature VRR support but because its limited to 120hz BFI, not even 60hz or 240hz unlike the TVs which feature 60hz just fine. This makes it very niche.
@@tftcentral you did only test a 240hz display however and they have displays going up to 480hz, I know some BFI implementations have issues maxing out a panel so it is possible the 480hz panel can do 240hz strobing. But even then we're missing a 60hz option.
Fantastic looking monitors. Will be interesting to see how the HDR experience holds up on these compared to the LG competitors which will have MLA technology. If only they offered an MLA option at 42" as well!
32in flat glossy 4k QD OLED at high refresh rate and high brightness is the ultimate Holy Grail of monitors. Edit: Hopefully all monitors in 2024 will be glossy or they'll sit on the self collecting dust.
Blue pho-led have 100% energy efficiency BUT half the lifetime of the even short life span of regular oleds. They mean to use them for mobile phones where energy efficiency is important and life span of the device is small.
It was improved quite nicely from Gen1 to Gen 2, to the point where i'd say it;'s generally very good. with the higher density of the 4K panels i'd expect it to be very impressive tbh
It would be nice to see an improvement in baseline monitor brightness signalled by support for DisplayHDR True Black 500, but it doesn't sound like that's what they're going for.
There is some really bad communication going on. It seems only the tvs are Gen 3 "panels" monitors are "3rd gen" (3rd year attempt) but actual gen 2 panels? According to what the manufacturers reps and such are saying. Or they are just misspeaking as well. If 140 ppi = 3rd gen. Then they must be wrong
They might be getting it confused with what generation of OLED monitors it is they are manufacturing. For instance this is Dells second OLED monitor (the AW3225QF) and so to them it might be THEIR second gen. But as you’ve said, the high DPI panel is clearly only possibly thanks to the new pico inkjet process and as you can see from the slides in the video, that’s clearly part of gen 3 panels.
Greetings, the MSI MAG 341cqp is everywhere advertised as 'nextgen qd oled' by MSI, is it truly a new panel or is just the original Samsung G8 / Aw3423dw panel + some martketing ? Thanks.
It’s the same panel from Samsungs first gen in fact, they only have one. The TCON and their add on tech is likely to be different to it’s a newer generation from MSI’s point of view compared with their previous 34” model
All the standard QDOLED semi glossy coating (as we call it), unless a display manufacturer adds their own additional coating like Samsung Electronics have oddly decided to do
White oled stack is misleading. Not sure where you found that image, but the original/official LG showed one oled layer blue, one green, one red, actually stacked, to produce white. Then color filters to give r/g/b subpixels respectively, with the white subpixel being clear.... Samsung doesnt stack blue layers.... Their official information noted one layer of blue, then color filtered with quantum dots.... And no polarizer.
that came from the Samsung Display presentation they took us through, and is also used on their website in their 2023 and new 2024 whitepaper/brochures. Have you got a link to where LG.Display demonstrated the design of WOLED please?
I’d expect it to start appearing more this year but there are reasons why it’s delayed and not ready yet tftcentral.co.uk/articles/when-is-displayport-2-1-going-to-be-used-on-monitors
@@tftcentral for me oled highlight is already more than good enough, you don't need more than 1000 nits when viewing 10-20 nits apl scenes it starts to be too much contrast. When viewing high apl scene ~100 nits, these oled lose all contrast because now your highlight don't look like highlight anymore.
They might not be quoting a peak luminance figure in their specs. The panel from Samsung has 1000 nits peak luminance in its spec, but each display manufacturer may deliver something different. Eg they may tone it down to lower for one reason or another. So when it comes to actual displays using these panels it will still be important to see independent testing, even though the specs on paper may be the same
1440p 32" 120Hz Oled with polarizer would be dream monitor for me. 4K panels with violet tint, not so much. Would really like to replace my Samsung S32D850T which has great colour but nonexistent motion clarity.
Yo Simon! Idk if you've seen but Samsung Display had a 27" 4k panel on display at CES. My source is Digital Trends' video on QD Oled improvements. You can see it at the timestamp 6:24 in the video titled "Samsung's 3,000-Nit QD-OLED Hides a Secret Weapon | CES 2024". This implies Samsung Display are ahead of LG Display in bringing this format to mass production. If it's possible could you reach out to Samsung Display and get an updated roadmap from them? I'm particularly interested in this panel.
Theres actually been one confirmed since this original video. Info here An update on all the OLED monitor panels czcams.com/video/vSIEQYMjpQ4/video.html
yeah all the announced 34" ultrawide panels with 240Hz are using LG.Display's WOLED panel. Info on that panel here:czcams.com/video/2L_OtIQEXOk/video.html
@@errgoseven4680I have the Alienware qd-oled from last yr, I play valorant a lot of immediately forget about the black bars and most games nowadays support them
I heard in a reddit post that the next-gen QD Oleds of Samsung coming out next year is going to be regular RGB Subpixel structure and will eliminate textfringing. Do you know more about it or was it just nonsense? @tftcentral
QD OLED is already in the correct RGB order but in a triangular shape instead of a straight stripe. There’s no plans to change that at the moment that we’ve seen or been told by Samsung. I expect the Reddit comments are getting confused though with LG Displays WOLED plans where that is in their future plans. See here OLED monitors 2024 / 25 - Better text, glossy coating, brighter HDR, higher res, higher refresh! czcams.com/video/2L_OtIQEXOk/video.html
the s95d still uses the one connect so i won't consider that with the dropout issues so i'll get the s90d instead. hopefully that will have the gen 3 panel as well since the only the s90c 77 got the gen 2
@kevinkunz1946 I’m not sure but they are wrong. If you watch our video you’ll see that one of the key developments for gen 3 this year is the new pico inkjet process which is what enables the higher pixel density of 4K! That’s what is being used in the screen he’s talking about
I’m not sure but they are wrong. If you watch the video you’ll see that one of the key developments for gen 3 this year is the new pico inkjet process which is what enables the higher pixel density of 4K! I can only think maybe they are confusing things because they are Dells second generation of OLED monitors after their 34” was released in 2022? But they are def considered third gen panels from Samsung.
That’s not been proven yet, and I’ve not seen any details about what UHBR capabilities (if any!) it would offer. All a bit vague at the moment with the HP model
A couple of updates from CES to the specs discussed in this video. The monitor panels will apparently offer 1000/400/250 nits brightness which we believe is for 1-3%, 10% and 100% APL measurements. The durability improvements for monitors is 1.5x, and for TV's it is 2x.
250nit @ 100% APL for QD-OLED sounds about the same as last year, but 2x durability is of course great for long term usage. Personally I'd just want a desktop size 16:9 27" 1440p 240Hz QD-OLED.
May i ask if gen 3 TVs like S90D will have the new pixel layout different from eg S95B?
I believe all the panels have the updated pixel shape/size from gen 2 onwards
@@tftcentral The Rtings review of both S95B(1st gen) and S95C(2nd gen) show a microscopic picture of the pixel layout and it's exactly the same. I have no idea what the real situation is at this point. Maybe they kept the same for the first two generations specifically for TV panels and will update finally on 3rd gen.
Perhaps that change was only applicable to monitor panels where there’s a focus on text clarity. Looking back at the slides we were taken through that only really talks about it in the context of the new high PPI panels
Love the content, it makes it so much easier to plan ahead when you know where the tech is going and what's coming up and going to actually be available to buy.
Very much appreciate how in-depth these videos (and the website) are. You and Hardware/Monitors Unboxed are pretty much the only places to get genuine monitor reviews/information from an actually knowledgeable source - so, please keep it up.
Personally, I’m very much looking forward to these 32” 4k panels, but I am worried about the DP1.4 w/ DSC connectivity. I’m not really inclined to believe it is the dealbreaker that many on Reddit and CZcams think it is, but I’m curious if you have any plans for an in-depth analysis on if it affects image quality and/or creates additional issues with the user experience?
I have seen a few comments saying that it can cause obnoxiously long black screens when alt+tabbing on nvidia gpus, and I’m worried that since it will be compressing even more data than normal DSC use cases (i.e. 4k 144hz/165hz) it could exacerbate anything previously perceived as a non-issue. I think an in-depth video like that would go a long way to ease I and many other users woes before making such an expensive purchase.
Thanks for the feedback and I’m really glad you’ve found the content interesting.
Funnily enough we’ve very recently published a detailed article all about DP 2.1 and this topic. If lent itself better to written format than video and it will be available publicly mid this week, although available early access for our Patreon supporters already
tftcentral.co.uk/articles/when-is-displayport-2-1-going-to-be-used-on-monitors
You may also find the podcast/video I did with Tim from HUB interesting 😀
czcams.com/video/H4XqJacLaGQ/video.htmlsi=X6c1fF5WOC7zaYpC
This would be great, agreed.
The HP Omen QD-OLED should have DisplayPort 2.1.
I've heard that there can be some issues with DSC on Linux as well, and it can theoretically limit supersampling, since it does require display engine hardware to perform DSC.
@@tftcentralin that article I found reference to "dsc 2.0" and "dsc 3.0" which I'm puzzled by... I thought the latest version is 1.2a and in fact, I can find no information about a 2.0 and 3.0 version anywhere... so what is the article really referring to?
@vertic1nferno sorry that’s the compression ratio. So 2x and 3x
This is great news! V3 Gen3 Panels on these 2024 QD OLED Monitors.. I cant wait. Thx Simon.
I expect 4k 32 displays to be over 1 Grand, which would be okay if they fixed burn in issues and it can be used for both gaming and work
They are $1200 already announced
Burn out is something you buy, you still have to baby it to last any meaningful amount of time. First oled screen came out in 2009 for samsung phone and 15 years later it is still a problem, so not gone go away unless oled will change from the ground, meaning things that emit light. For now everyone just dodging problem with all the pixel refreshers and brightness compensations to hide burnout of pixels, and these techs is band aid, not armor.
as long as they last 5 years not a problem
rttings tested burn in and at first they found worse burn in than in woled panels but then came a firmware update that fixed "burn in" cause turns out it was just buggy software on the pixel refresh side. so it seems burn in is indeed not really bad with qd-oled panels and Dell gives you a 3 year warranty for burn in too
27 inch 1440p 480Hz QD-OLED is my absolute dream panel, crazy how far tech has come
The only problem is a flat panel is so un ideal. My peripheral vision for flicks in fps games is much better using a curved panel. I hit more shots using a 1000r curve vs flat. My eyes also have less eye strain.
40 inch curved ultra wide is my dream panel
@@jjglaser you need a curve on a 27 inch monitor? You’re trolling lol
32" glossy curved 4k OLED is my endgame monitor, but the 38" size is also appealing
Very few games will drive the 480hz at 1440P.
Unfortunate they weren't able to fix the ambient light lifting blacks. Hopefully LG learned their lesson and skip the matte finish this year.
I sent you the images on twitter! HP posted the Spec sheet! DP 2.1 and includes cable in the box, as well as first i have seen of HDR True Black 400
Thanks for the links on twitter. I’ll look in to it. Quite a lot of (most?) OLED monitors have the True Black 400 certification though
@@tftcentral ironically i typo'd along with what i think was a typo also of True black 500.
alienware 34 inch also has trueblack 400
Do they have a release window for it?
@@danijelb.3384 no, sounds like Q2
i’ll still be rocking my AW3423DW for years to come…It looks like a dream 😍
Which led tv is support dual screen split screen multiview ??? Left side cctv Right side movie
Thanks for compiling a list of monitors using the 3rd gen Samsung QD-LED panels. I was unable to find a list anywhere else, so I appreciate the effort you put into curating this data. I also enjoyed your explanations between the different gens of QD-OLED.
Glad you found it useful and thanks for the “super thanks” 🙏
Great video. Thanks for compiling the list of monitors using this 3rd gen panel.
If the smaller panels indeed carry these 3rd gen benefits other than the brightness increase, it's good news for monitor buyers. Hopefully combined with additional new OLED care techniques like border/multilogo detection, the new panels can already be safely used for most productivity work.
The new 27” and 31.5” QD OLED panels are definitely gen 3 panels with the various benefits covered in this video, although the monitor peak brightness is still limited to 1000 nits I’m afraid
I want to root for samsung but it seems like only the hp omen will have displayport 2.1 while all the others stick with 1.4
@@tftcentralThe benefit being a bit more efficient at those 250/1000 nit values with Gen 3?
Potentially yes, which helps with durability and environmental credentials
@@tftcentralWhy would anyone want a monitor that can do peak brightness above 1000? Unless you don't value your eyes of course.
Peak brightness of 1000 should be plenty enough.
No idea why they won't launch an ultrawide option. A 34" 4K ultrawide is my endgame monitor.
Appreciate these videos as always boss.
Very tempted to buy 32 inch 4k monitor but decided on the 42 inch LG C3, i prefer bigger screen for more immersion.
Great video, looking forward to the new monitor reviews 👍
Immersion is much better on an ultrawide compared to a big TV. A TV is not made for close viewing.
If only they could release a 38 inch ultra wide 3840 by 1600 monitor with 240 hz 😢😢
Still can’t believe 4K 240hz with 1080p 480hz is only 1199!!! Let’s Go !!!!
Very thorough and in-depth review. 👏🏾👏🏾
Need BFI though....
I've been waiting for your videos. Keep it up
Really excited to see if the VRR gamma shift/flicker is resolved as Samsung's press release seems to have indicated. I was one of the first early adopters of the LG C9 and noticed it right away, reached out to John Archer from Forbes, and he reported on it and got LG to put out a statement about the issue. I've always thought that gamma shift wasn't fixable, but maybe it finally is.
I hope there will be some new 49" monitors with 5120 x 2160 resolution later this year.
I was holding off for the flat 32 inch 4k qd oleds but I couldn’t resist ordering the Alienware this morning. Excited to give it a try when it shows up and hoping the curve feels fine and looks good.
No 34 inch upgrade to gen 2 or gen 3? So annoying. Thats what i was holding out for
The G6 & G8 Oled📺 looks promising 😊
Does that mean that G9 OLED 2024 version (G95SD/G93SD) will not get "proper" 3rd gen OLED panel ? And this will be still gen 2 panel with some enhancements like "OLED glare free" and "OLED Safeguard" ?
Thank you very much for your analysis of this topic. I'm really looking forward to OLED monitors with a glossy finish.
What about the finish on the TVs? Could you make a video more focused on the TVs and when to expect them?
I'm still holding off for a 42" 16:9 qdoled
Great Video that true colour and the right contrast ratio is what we are looking for apart from apatoping to the environment and surrounding.
Super content as always. Cheers!
Very good video, loved it keep up the great work
Thanks!
I think I'm going to save up my money for either the technology to mature more or for nanoLED to reach consumers before I buy one.
Please, 34-40" ultrawide 240hz qd oled or the new WOLED RGWB. Also manufacturers, please ditch the ridiculous 800R curvature. I dont need 34" VR glasses. 1500R/1200R please.
Thx very much for the video!
That G8 looks very promising. Glad to hear other manufacturers will be releasing their own version using the same panel.
I like your shadow box of game controllers. Is that home made?
It is 😀
Are the benefits of QD-OLED vs WRGB-OLED technology noticeable in SDR content? (TV channels for example)
Dose the new Samsung s95d have Gen 3 Samsung QD-OLED panel ?? I searched everywhere. There is no clear answer. Thanks for the vid
Not sure for the tv space I’m afraid since the sizes are not as clearly defined in different generations
Thanks.
Is that increase in brightness and durability, while retaining last year's energy consumption, due to using phosphorescent blue OLED or has that technological improvement not yet come to the monitor space? Has it been integrated into Samsung and LG TVs for 2024, at least?
I don’t believe so yet. Certainly not referenced at all in the Samsung material
sat here with a LG c3 i just bought that has a really bad pink tint on the 3rd right of the screen when sat in center, Deciding whether to get a refund and get a new updated screen or just send back for straight replacement, i should just get refund then get the new generation qd oled instead shouldn't I really? :S ( i mostly do desktop and gaming use on PC)
That 77 inch will be my next TV. Or maybe the 2025 version
I preordered the 360hz 2k 27 inch qd oled from Msi for 999, I'm pumped to try out that buttery smoothness!
Very interested in the ELMB information along with if its compatible with g-sync Pulsar.
NVIDIA said its coming to PG27 monitors in 2024 and the only one I know of is a OLED
It won’t be on their OLED I’m afraid as those don’t feature the Native Gsync module. See here for info on NVIDIA Gsync Pulsar and the forthcoming PG27 monitor
tftcentral.co.uk/news/nvidia-launch-g-sync-pulsar-allowing-ulmb-at-the-same-time-as-variable-refresh-rates
But Asus are adding BFI to their oled monitors (but not at same time as VRR)
tftcentral.co.uk/news/bfi-black-frame-insertion-to-feature-on-the-new-asus-rog-oled-gaming-monitors
@@tftcentral as a motion clarity enthusiast it sucks to hear it's not coming to OLED and I hope NVIDIA is looking to extend this to other display types.
With that said ELMB is very disappointing. Not only because if doesn't feature VRR support but because its limited to 120hz BFI, not even 60hz or 240hz unlike the TVs which feature 60hz just fine. This makes it very niche.
@@tftcentral you did only test a 240hz display however and they have displays going up to 480hz, I know some BFI implementations have issues maxing out a panel so it is possible the 480hz panel can do 240hz strobing. But even then we're missing a 60hz option.
@Hybred it’s possible yes, but the at display isn’t being released for a while so we’ll have to confirm when it’s available
I'm looking forward to the PG32UCDM. Expensive but I think it'll be worth the upgrade from my ROG PG278QR 1440P/165HZ.
Note the HP Omen version will have DisplayPort 2.1
All I care is the ambient light reflection
Fantastic looking monitors. Will be interesting to see how the HDR experience holds up on these compared to the LG competitors which will have MLA technology. If only they offered an MLA option at 42" as well!
32in flat glossy 4k QD OLED at high refresh rate and high brightness is the ultimate Holy Grail of monitors.
Edit: Hopefully all monitors in 2024 will be glossy or they'll sit on the self collecting dust.
If given the choice I would take curved , but yah that's my end game specs .
The Alienware is slightly curved and releases by the end of January
The new sony flagship tv has an amazing anti glare coating. Maybe this will be the future
@@danijelb.3384apparently it's releasing in two days on the 11th.
no phosphorus blue backlight but this is still pretty cool! it's my dream monitor, might go with lg depending on the burn-in tests on these monitors.
Blue pho-led have 100% energy efficiency BUT half the lifetime of the even short life span of regular oleds. They mean to use them for mobile phones where energy efficiency is important and life span of the device is small.
Hello dear sir, just purchased the Samsung G60SD 27", is this monitor a gen3 oled panel ? what about the pixel layout ?
Yes the 27” and 32” QDOLED panels are both officially gen 3 and include the updated sub pixel shape and layout
@@tftcentral thank you sir! the monitor is quite impressive i must say, excellent quality, colors and pretty much everything else
so how is the text clarity on this new models? already good enough?
It was improved quite nicely from Gen1 to Gen 2, to the point where i'd say it;'s generally very good. with the higher density of the 4K panels i'd expect it to be very impressive tbh
I'm all in for the 1440p360 panel, just not sure which model to get. but certainly won't be Samsung because of white bezel and matte finish.
Are the new Samsung panels flicker free?
id like the size of LG ultragear 45 inch ultrawide but i want QD-OLED tech, sadly no-one makse that size, with same perf as g9 oled
Is there any improvement on the blacks turning grey in lighter rooms ?
Apparently not 😞
It would be nice to see an improvement in baseline monitor brightness signalled by support for DisplayHDR
True Black 500, but it doesn't sound like that's what they're going for.
There is some really bad communication going on. It seems only the tvs are Gen 3 "panels" monitors are "3rd gen" (3rd year attempt) but actual gen 2 panels? According to what the manufacturers reps and such are saying. Or they are just misspeaking as well. If 140 ppi = 3rd gen. Then they must be wrong
They might be getting it confused with what generation of OLED monitors it is they are manufacturing. For instance this is Dells second OLED monitor (the AW3225QF) and so to them it might be THEIR second gen. But as you’ve said, the high DPI panel is clearly only possibly thanks to the new pico inkjet process and as you can see from the slides in the video, that’s clearly part of gen 3 panels.
Greetings, the MSI MAG 341cqp is everywhere advertised as 'nextgen qd oled' by MSI, is it truly a new panel or is just the original Samsung G8 / Aw3423dw panel + some martketing ? Thanks.
It’s the same panel from Samsungs first gen in fact, they only have one. The TCON and their add on tech is likely to be different to it’s a newer generation from MSI’s point of view compared with their previous 34” model
@@tftcentral thank you.
Are these glossy or matte? I’ve heard different answers.
All the standard QDOLED semi glossy coating (as we call it), unless a display manufacturer adds their own additional coating like Samsung Electronics have oddly decided to do
White oled stack is misleading. Not sure where you found that image, but the original/official LG showed one oled layer blue, one green, one red, actually stacked, to produce white. Then color filters to give r/g/b subpixels respectively, with the white subpixel being clear....
Samsung doesnt stack blue layers.... Their official information noted one layer of blue, then color filtered with quantum dots.... And no polarizer.
that came from the Samsung Display presentation they took us through, and is also used on their website in their 2023 and new 2024 whitepaper/brochures. Have you got a link to where LG.Display demonstrated the design of WOLED please?
will dp 2.1 become mainstream next year for monitors (assuming more GPU will support dp 2.1 next year)?
I’d expect it to start appearing more this year but there are reasons why it’s delayed and not ready yet
tftcentral.co.uk/articles/when-is-displayport-2-1-going-to-be-used-on-monitors
@@tftcentral dp2.1a is official
260 nits to 300 nits, so ~15% improvement over gen 2, OLED still moving at a snail pace.
For full field white. But for peak brightness highlights there’s a 50% increase to 3000 nits which is impressive
@@tftcentral for me oled highlight is already more than good enough, you don't need more than 1000 nits when viewing 10-20 nits apl scenes it starts to be too much contrast. When viewing high apl scene ~100 nits, these oled lose all contrast because now your highlight don't look like highlight anymore.
I can't believe Samsung put a matte finish on their flagship TVs, what the hell were they thinking?
hows it looking for 45inch ones?
None on the panel roadmap from Samsung. But check out the Lg Display WOLED roadmap for some options coming up 😀
Is Samung Display still planning the 34" uwqhd 240hz qd oled panels this year?
Yes. Info being gathered on this…
I hope for an 48inch monitor not a tv used as. Miniled or oled and no autodimming.
Really getting tired of these marketing teams throwing 'AI' into everything. Be honest, you are using an improved algorithm compared to last gen.
lol yeah I agree. Samsung are pretty bad with using the word “Quantum” with everything too 😀
dell aw2725df Is this monitor a gen3 qd-oled panel?
Yes all the 27” and 32” QD-OLED monitors use gen 3 panels
How come msi new qd 27 inch oled only mention 250 on the product page when you talk about 1000 nits
They might not be quoting a peak luminance figure in their specs. The panel from Samsung has 1000 nits peak luminance in its spec, but each display manufacturer may deliver something different. Eg they may tone it down to lower for one reason or another. So when it comes to actual displays using these panels it will still be important to see independent testing, even though the specs on paper may be the same
I just need a Gen 3 QD-OLED 1440p 27" Flat screen monitor.
So, Samsung said Gen 3 QD-OLED will no longer have VRR flicker, so does that mean both new AW models releasing this week will feature this, correct?
Where did they say that?
1440p 32" 120Hz Oled with polarizer would be dream monitor for me. 4K panels with violet tint, not so much. Would really like to replace my Samsung S32D850T which has great colour but nonexistent motion clarity.
Definitely looking forward to LG's the most.
I will buy a 65 inch TV and a 31.5 4k monitor this year
Yo Simon! Idk if you've seen but Samsung Display had a 27" 4k panel on display at CES. My source is Digital Trends' video on QD Oled improvements. You can see it at the timestamp 6:24 in the video titled "Samsung's 3,000-Nit QD-OLED Hides a Secret Weapon | CES 2024". This implies Samsung Display are ahead of LG Display in bringing this format to mass production. If it's possible could you reach out to Samsung Display and get an updated roadmap from them? I'm particularly interested in this panel.
I’ll try and get some further information. Gut feel is it won’t be this year but I’ll try and find out 😀
Why no new 21:9 panel?
Theres actually been one confirmed since this original video. Info here
An update on all the OLED monitor panels
czcams.com/video/vSIEQYMjpQ4/video.html
Damn no upgrades to 34''. Ill just buy ipa for now and will upgrade to Qd OLED when gen3 is out
Some further updates on that since this original video 😀
An update on all the OLED monitor panels
czcams.com/video/vSIEQYMjpQ4/video.html
Any news on 34" 1440p 240 hz? I thought I saw a clip elsewhere of one from Asus
That Asus display is based on a new panel sourced from LG Display. Hence ,it is W-Oled.
yeah all the announced 34" ultrawide panels with 240Hz are using LG.Display's WOLED panel. Info on that panel here:czcams.com/video/2L_OtIQEXOk/video.html
Hope Samsung comes up with good products, and by good I mean trouble free. I often see posts about issues
The LG 2160p 21:9 screens on their roadmap look much more interesting to me than these 3rd gen qd-oled panels
good luck with your black bars
@@errgoseven4680I have the Alienware qd-oled from last yr, I play valorant a lot of immediately forget about the black bars and most games nowadays support them
If Samsung releases their own with DP2.1, it’ll be my endgame monitor.
Naw I’m done with black bars, with 32 inch everything works and looks good including consoles
I heard in a reddit post that the next-gen QD Oleds of Samsung coming out next year is going to be regular RGB Subpixel structure and will eliminate textfringing. Do you know more about it or was it just nonsense? @tftcentral
QD OLED is already in the correct RGB order but in a triangular shape instead of a straight stripe. There’s no plans to change that at the moment that we’ve seen or been told by Samsung. I expect the Reddit comments are getting confused though with LG Displays WOLED plans where that is in their future plans. See here
OLED monitors 2024 / 25 - Better text, glossy coating, brighter HDR, higher res, higher refresh!
czcams.com/video/2L_OtIQEXOk/video.html
Is the AW3225QF going to be glossy?
Standard semi glossy QD OLED coating
These are glossy correct??
The standard panels will continue to have the same semi glossy coating of previous QD OLED panels yes
the s95d still uses the one connect so i won't consider that with the dropout issues so i'll get the s90d instead. hopefully that will have the gen 3 panel as well since the only the s90c 77 got the gen 2
The dropout issue was because of the 40gbps limit of the one connect box, that MIGHT have been fixed with the s95d, remains to be confirmed
Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDM will have HDMI 2.1?
Yes, although capabilities not fully listed yet. Expect full bandwidth plus VRR though
Which Panel has the Gigabyte Auorus FO32U2P. 2gen or 3gen QD-OLED?
All of the 27” and 32” QDOLED panels are 3rd gen
@@tftcentral why is he saying this is a 2gen panel? czcams.com/video/uIs5DGOul-U/video.htmlsi=3YF00V17XXfR94pV
So confusing 🤷🏻♂️
@kevinkunz1946 I’m not sure but they are wrong. If you watch our video you’ll see that one of the key developments for gen 3 this year is the new pico inkjet process which is what enables the higher pixel density of 4K! That’s what is being used in the screen he’s talking about
@@tftcentral thanks for the quick reply. Keep up the good work.
I don’t need 480 hz. Even 240 is plenty esp if it will save me money
No new Qd-Oled 34" Widescreen? Thought there was one releasing in 2024.
Not that they told us about. Believe they are still updating that panel at some point though
Looking forward to the curved UHD from Alienware 👀
ffs. why dont they make 43" 120 tv with that tech? i want to use it as a monitor
Def buying that 32 inch 4k. Would love to see 5kx1600…. 1440 is too little. I wish we would move past it
40” 4k would be great at some point.
Did they mention when exactly will be the release ?
For which?
@@tftcentral For 1440p 480hz panel monitors in other brands, such as Asus and Dell Alienware
I am going to wait for a curved 1440p 360hz.
and will be in 2025 a model with 4k 27" or 30"?
27” 4K expected then yes
@@tftcentral thx!
I'm only interested in the 27" 4K variety. Anything larger I can make out pixels. Sitting further back is not an option.
If you can make out pixels on a 32" 4K display, you are a human microscope.
@@TEGvTEG my normal view distance is 2 feet.
I love 27" 4k 240hz OLED
Why are reviewers like digital trends and Linus saying the new Alienware Aw3225qf is a Gen 2 panel ?
I’m not sure but they are wrong. If you watch the video you’ll see that one of the key developments for gen 3 this year is the new pico inkjet process which is what enables the higher pixel density of 4K!
I can only think maybe they are confusing things because they are Dells second generation of OLED monitors after their 34” was released in 2022? But they are def considered third gen panels from Samsung.
So is hp the only one with new display port? Is that jensen paying off display companies to stay on 1.4 so people dont go buy amd gpus?
That’s not been proven yet, and I’ve not seen any details about what UHBR capabilities (if any!) it would offer. All a bit vague at the moment with the HP model