Cheers. Yeah had to do my research to make sure your not ending up with too many fin positions and none that actually work but this was a good balance and didn't put the quad fronts too far up or leave the sides too far back for 2 plus 1 seems to work in these configs keen to try Red as a single fin. Thanks mate
Yeah absolutely.. If your a minimalist and just want to enjoy yourself drama free from all the insane selection and marketing we have these days a nice Mid is a good choice.. For us locally a Mid and a longboard covers 75% of our the waves that we get especially for me older and slower now unfortunately. Some kind of solid Hybrid for roadies and maybe a grovel board if you want to have a couple of shorter options. Cheers for watching.
Nice looking board, beautiful glass job. I had a 7'4" mid length made by HC Surfboards at Ruakaka. I put a swallow tail in it. It is a beautiful board and rides like a dream.
Thanks Chris. Yeah this one has been going pretty well. Actually got plans to do either a long fish which would be mostly this boards front end but a touch wider and a nice swallow tail a little wider or make a mid twin which could be this board but with the addition of a wing so actually adding to a straighter rail line and more drive around the fins. This one was made with bigger but still rolling waves in mind so good to know similar works. Thanks for your support :-)
Mid life crisis, buy a red convertible Corvette, Mid Length Crisis, buy a Channel Islands red egg board. 😂 Beautiful board, definitely need to get my hands on one of those modernized throwback eggs 🏄🥇👌
Great and entertaining vlog! How about some vid of your break and some background on you..how many boards etc , how you support your habit, how your wife/ girlfriend puts up with your addiction...:)
Lol yeah mate. Lots of people seem to be keen for some surf / surfing footage. Haven't got some to film me but maybe can get a show of the local break sometime. As for the wife I don't have one that's how I get away with that. I also don't live with anyone so yeah I only have myself to annoy 🤣🤣 My girlfriend is an absolute legend and very understanding and also loves cleaning so yeah living the dream buddy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's usually people with wives make those kids of comments 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Although I was thinking to shape me a longboard, in my head I'm not ready to go for it and surf longboard. Not having a midlength board in over a year, plus the lack of surfing I'm doing now due to MTB and awful surf conditions lately. I'm contemplating in a midlength. Perhaps a copy of the weird board I shaped me 4 years ago. I may do a small shallow tail or squash. IMO a midlength is a must in a quiver, regardless how many good thick fish boards this one has.
GO SURF • 0 seconds ago Yeah absolutely.. If your a minimalist and just want to enjoy yourself drama free from all the insane selection and marketing we have these days a nice Mid is a good choice.. For us locally a Mid and a longboard covers 75% of our the waves that we get especially for me older and slower now unfortunately. Some kind of solid Hybrid for roadies and maybe a grovel board if you want to have a couple of shorter options. Cheers for watching.
Love the outlines on both of them. Nice job. Are those Fusion boxes? If so, why did you choose those vs the latest FCS boxes? Did you hand shape both or CNC? If hand shape, it would be really interesting to see a video on how you made the outlines. Thanks!
Hi Sorry for the late reply only just getting round to checking for the messages I have missed. Cheers appreciate the positive feedback and support :-) FCS2 Boxes, I also use Futures. Hand shape 100% dont have access to CNC shapes. Yeah I should do that some time. So I can do a rough outline on CAD software or create completely from scratch. I use a slightly more intricate version of this technique to do it completely manually. czcams.com/video/EMM_bg8bS1A/video.html Same flexible bar style but I use some paper and panel pin off nose tail and wide point then use the bard to create a smooth curve. Transfer that paper template to 3mm MDF then cut it out and clean it up. I use that template to mark the blank the use a jigsaw to cut the blank. I have bought and ridden a lot of boards so have a bit of an eye for what I like. it's not too complicated though once you get to know the Nose at 12" back measurements, tail at 12" up and width and how far forward it is a lot can be plotted from these 3 points. Plus once you get a few templates it's easy to take a nose of something and a tail off something else then make a new template line to blend them all together and create another template. Cheers.
Nice review! I am curious what works better for knee - shoulder waves - the 2 plus one with the big fin box and center fin (like you have)? OR just regular size 5 fin boxes with a thruster, quad or twin plus trailer option? there are really no reviews on this? Some say the big center box makes the tail heavy and stiff. I would also like to know which board you like better in knee - waist high? cheers!
Hi Allen. Yeah I think it really depends on the feel you like and your riding style. I think I talk about that a bit in the board I made myself most recently. I think if your generally riding hybrid short board style you might enjoy the 5 fin style and if your usually on a longboard the single and side bites might suit you better. Or you might want the opposite for a different feel. One thing I have learnt is it can be difficult to have it all in one package for fin placement. It's ok if you don't mind a compromise and want to try everything but if you know you want a twin or a quad or a twin and trailer it's usually optimal to get exactly that. If you get a single and sides the quad is often a compromise or after though and a thruster isn't the ideal placement for a twin so it can get annoying trying to do everything. I have had mids that the quads are in the wrong spot and doesn't feel right because the side fins are positioned well forward and also had the sunday which I didn't love the ride as a twin or as a single depending on the waves and a lot of it is personal preference. On a glidy mid a certain fin set up also will work better than on something that's more a big guy shortboard design. I personally love my quads but that's not everyone and my other board works amazing as a single fin.
Awesome videos! Really makes me want to try more different boards/try shaping a board! Better find myself a shed and get down to Sadhana I guess! Would love to have a surf on that blue one! Think it would go so well
Cheers mate, Yeah it's definitely a cool bucket list tick off making a board even if it's just one. You can get kits and Sadhana or Jay even does a learn to shape course in the winter where you learn and shape it and he glasses it for you. I'm actually going to be looking at selling the Blue one as that and a couple of others were intended to be made for sale anyways and can't keep them all. Guess you live in CHCH ?
@@lawson45uk that's what I figure! Gotta try it and I might love it! Been looking at the Sadhana kits a bunch! Think I'd give glassing a go myself, got bits and pieces of experience with glass so will be interesting to see how it goes! Oh really? I guess selling them is a pretty good excuse to make more and try different things (and pay for materials!) Might have to take a look when you do want to sell 😎 Yea man Chch based, sure beats the surf back in London! Love it 😂
@@bartkayaking1 yeah nice. Give it a crack if you got some experience and willing to give it a go. I have just been using PU blanks with epoxy resin. Good combination of the two and epoxy is much safer to use at home. Yeah I have put one or two on trade me but it's been kinda difficult to to even get that materials costs back. Guess it's a unknown back yard shaper vs the price of some of the cheap mass produced boards these days. Locals that see them seem really impressed with the quality and design but I guess I would be pretty dubious or a back yard no brand knowing they made it properly. Ironically its kinda the opposite. I have had boards mass produced boards that have terrible glass jobs and fin boxes haven't even been glued on or had reinforcing patches fitted. Hit me up on Instagram go_surf_nz if you like mate. Some pics of the boards on there too. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk yea I really like the idea of PU with epoxy, I've heard the pu blanks are easier to shape but I'm not a fan of that styrene smell from the resin, so epoxy might be the go! Yea it's tough I bet buying without seeing it, off TradeMe or similar! I recon you're more likely to have a great board with way more attention put into it from someone who knows what they're doing rather than a mass produced thing! Yea I'll flick you a message! Also if you want some surf video for the old CZcams and you're Chch I'd happily point a camera/come swimming with a GoPro 😎
@@lawson45uk CI surfboards super light glassing. Good marketing scam because they are trashed after a dozen or so surfs. Fine if you are a sponsored surfer !!!
Red one looks really nice mate, fantastic shape. A combination of age, fat guts and watching too many Torren Martyn surf movies has seen me just by a custom mid this week…….yet to be surfed.
Lol cheers mate. Ironically sold that one to a young fella as ah alternative to his JS 30 litre whatever board so sorry about that rest of us old guys that are now still getting less waves 🤣🤣 cool middy sounds nice. What sort of dims and fin set up. Embrace it buddy it's an excellent thing to have in your quiver 👌🤙👍👍
@@lawson45uk haha, I had enough young blokes rounding me up at snapper on the weekend! 7’2 x 22 x 3 bout 50 litres. Single plus side bites. Really pinny tail, looks the business, all up to me now.
Hi Sorry for the late reply just finding the few messages that slipped through the net unanswered. I have used some shapers performance single and sides as well as some AM large quads. Both work well. I'm quad kinda guy generally but like to experiment to. Not tried as a single yet but suspect that would go nice too in a decent wave. Cheers.
Very nice work, I talked to you about buying the CI MID on your last vid.. I'm going for it... BTW that comment/ dance about tiktok was funny...I don't get it either lol..
Yeah cheers buddy ;-) Let me know what size you get and how it goes. I would love to get hold of the CI Mid Fins but there expensive and hard to get here in NZ at the moment. Maybe next year. Cheers.
just wanted to compare, what level surfer are you and can you tell me top boards you recomend for groveler, good waves up to head high, foot over head, double over head- waves are for oahu summer south shore and north shore not top spots but good spots. im intermediate surfer almost 50 , 200 lbs. not pulling airs, can ride tube, turns , floater, nothing really radical . like know idela dims and volume also aloha, g
Hi Greg. I'm very much average at best in my ability, would say I'm intermediate on a good day unfortunately :-) lol waves we get are extremely soft and slow too. Wouldn't claim to know what would work best in Hawaii as the waves there are probably very different but saying that I also see and hear regular people talking about and using many similar boards so guess my mind is probably thinking big and powerful waves but guess there would be quite a mixture. I have ridden a lot of Firewire and Lost too so i'm probably gonna call up a lot of these, doesnt mean there arnt other good options... If I were putting a quiver together for those waves here I would go something like Bean bag for propper grovel, or an actual longboard. OG puddle jumper or seaside if it's not tiny but not hollow stuff. Upto head high decent waves probably something like your Rocket Wide, quiver killer psycho killer, they would be happy at a foot overhead but you could go to Uber XL or something a little more performance orientated. Double overhead we dont really get often I would probably get onto something like the ghost or even a a pretty pointy mid with rocker for a rolly point... To be honest if your in Hawaii would be easy to just go Groveller, Gremlin, Shadow, Ghost from the Pyze Havent owned but only heard good things. I think most of the boards I ride in the similar dims and volume would suit a decent surfer 200LB in Hawaii maybe add eve a little or take a little away depending on what you like for your volume. Hope that helps, The Bean Bag, quiver/psycho killer, RNF retro Seaside are all boards I keep coming back to and have a great time riding. Also longboards and mids something like aFirewire Special T or Gem and something like a Seaside and Beyond or ci mid or a chilli mid or a Phze mid be handy. Aloha..
I’m really digging CI mid as I’ve heard it’s an all round board and I’m toying between getting a 7.0 or 6.10. Wdyt? I’m 178cm (5ft10) and 75kg. I’ve been surfing for 2 years and wouldn’t consider myself too advance but I was surfing a 6.8 hybrid fish 45L before and can catch waves and go down the line.
Honestly you could go for either that's one good thing about mids you can go a little longer and get more glide and wave range or go a little smaller and get a bit more performace and less wave catching and range. At your weight you should be able to duck dive either though the 7ft might be more of a just so if your gonna ride it in decent sized waves with some shape the 6'10" probably suit your weight better. If your in easier waves less hollow or a point and want a bit more glide and cruise maybe the 7. i'm 84kgs and would go the 7 for me so the 6'10" could be good for you but if your looking to keep all the volume your fish has you might need to go the 7 too. Hope that helps.
Hi there, I have a fins question, if that's alright? So what would the difference be between having the larger centre fin and a normal thruster set up? Im guessing that the larger fin allows you to turn the board from further forward? But would it also make the board turn a bit different too? Thanks!
Hi Max. Yeah Maybe have a look at my fin guide that details the difference between a single fin single and stabilizers, twin, thruster quad etc that might help a little but yeah a single fin is a very different feeling from a thruster. You will get more glide and flow and less drag but also won’t be able to drive and force things in the same way you can with a thruster. A single grip and pivot point simplifies things a lot but isn’t necessarily going to give you the same ability to perform more aggressive direction changes, you rely more on what the wave gives you than what you can make yourself. The single with side bites is like an extension of that same set up with more stability and helps get you on a rail more easily. Yes for sure you can turn a board from further up with a single fin and it will free the board up a little especially in waves with little push. It’s more common to see these set ups on longer boards these days but Midlengths and 70’s inspired outlines and fin set ups are becoming more popular again too. It’s more of a personal preference than a right and wrong and sometimes nice and fun for surfers just to have some more options for trying out a feel or a style of fin set up they like in the same board. Hope that helps. Thanks.
@@lawson45uk Thanks for taking the time to answer with such good detail! So would it be possible to have a large centre fin box and sometimes surf it as a 2+1 and perhaps sometimes put an adapter in and surf as a standard thruster? I spoke to a shaper here and he said it would have a different pivot point, but wouldn't necessarily not work. Forgive me if thats a stupid question!
@@bigthyme So yes this is absolutely possible if you have a look at my fin guide video it shows exactly how to do that with FCS 2 fins too.. Cavate to that and what your shaper is saying is fin position is also extremely important for optimal performance in a given fin set up on a given board length and style. For the right board at the right length you can make a single fin, 2 plus 1, thruster and quad work reasonably well without compromising position buy too much but that’s not the same for every board at every length…. I learnt some of this before I started shaping and lots more after 😊 Without getting crazy detailed with numbers and bearing in mind these numbers are tail to the back of the fin you might have a stock thruster set up with front fins around 280mm and rear fin around 98. A longboard designed for side bites might have the front fins (side Bites) placed up 420mm so even if you get the cluster right as your shaper is saying your essentially turning off a different point on the board which might not be at all optimal. If you look at something like my own midlengths I have made I have put the side fins in a slightly compromised position so it’s just a few mm high for a thruster and just a few mm low for a side bite and it works pretty good.. That doesn’t work on all boards, all tails and all lengths though… There Is actually quite a lot too it. Usually the worst thing between a single fin box and thruster is most boxes you will struggle to get the thruster fin all the way back to where it should be. True Ames have an offset fin that helps solve this… So yes some boards it will work if it’s designed right. I’m ok with the concept of playing with one swiss army knife board to get a feel with some compromise but you can’t beat the right board with the right fin set up and the right design for it so yeah for sure go play or design something that will do what you want with the shaper but for me optimal is if you want a single or a twin or a quad design the board and the fin position to suit ideally. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk ah yes I'd not really thought about the effect with regards the side fins. Thats a very important point. As I sent that last message, I did think I was asking the classic swiss army knife question of one board literally doing everything and perhaps losing what's good about a set-up. Like you say, its probably better to enjoy the different set-ups and styles. Sorry to keep asking questions, but I have one more if thats alright? So would a midlength (say 7'2), with the same outline, rocker etc still flow and have momentum (rather than need pumping), regardless of whether it was a 2+1 or a thruster set up?
@@paulisexpensive Ha ha all good mate. It does work for some boards to be a do it all fin set up and have that choice and variety and to learn how the different set ups feel in one board is really cool especially if your not wanting to have a big quiver of boards. Honestly and just my personal opinion nothing drags as badly as a thruster for myself in the slow weal waves I surf at my level of surfing. Guys that rip can use thrusters really well to manufacture speed and put themselves where they want to be I would fin a 2+1 less drag and more glide in the same board. Obviuosly it depends on the board and how it was designed but for say something like a CI Mid I would expect to loose glide and trim if you converted it to a thruster. Different board with different concaves possibly a different result but for me generally I just stay away from thrusters I find them way to hard to get going and carry speed for my level of surfing and the local waves. Cheers.
Im going to look at a board to purchase today after work...first thank you for being responsive for all the quirky question I ask..you have been very helpful! I have to decide betwene a stock Crowd killer 6'10" @43.5 liters and a Hypto Krypto PE custom shaped 6'11" x 21.5x 2.75 @45.3 Liters. I want a high volume board to get into waves early instead of getting hung up under on the lip and being pinched over when the size and the speed of the waves get bigger. ..in like the racy steep 6' - 10 face or the slower rolling but still steep 6 - 10' face type waves. I'm 5'7 @160lbs. I can pump up and down the line pretty well but not to skilled in shredding the lip of the waves or full cut backs..mayne because my usual boards are high volume fishes. Is the two boards comparable or is one going to be clumsy becuase of the design and my height combo..or..what do u think? I've been using my buddies super high volume 7'2" @ almost52 liters and getting into bigger waves super early and having a blast but I cant duck dive it and I get tossed around. I am able to duck dive a 46liter puddle jumper..enough to get by if that helps.
Hey buddy. I have asked a guy Bret or Brent that had commented on this same review to chip in as he has a big hypto so can maybe help. With a big hypto I would personally be a bit concerned about the placement of the wide point as it's more designed to be a smaller board but I haven't ridden one that high so probably unfair for me to just make an assumption. I have had a 6'2" and persoablly also like a more balanced template but plenty of my friends absolutely love hyptos. The crowd killer I have heard great things and that would be my choice again just as it's a bit more balanced. Rocker is probably ok for the waves your looking at too. if you wanted less rocker and a slightly more cruisy carving momentum based ride with less rocker you could also consider the smooth operator. Basically something not too far off my red one would probably suit you nicely. Your pretty light so on a shorty you would be riding less volume than me but sounds like you have a good idea of what you enjoy so stick to that as there is no right and wrong just whatever makes you the most happy and gets you lots of waves ... Getting pitched over can sometimes be too much volume too but if your in early enough that's less of an issue. All up my personal choice would be the crowd killer just because of reasons stated I like a more balanced template and I think for your weight that 43 litres should still leave you with a nice grippy refined rail on that length of baord. The party crasher could also be worth a look but again that's if you wanted more tail size and less rocker. 6-10 ft faces the crowd killer should go good. That's more of a big guy shortboard rocker party is more like a big guy rocket so a step down from the crowd killer. But yeah out of your choices I personally would go the crowd killer as it's designed to do the job your looking at 👍👍
@@lawson45uk bam..your quick reply saves the day..I'm driving to meet the guy selling the crowd killer now..I just needed a little extra design confirmation because I was swaying that way . Your you tube channel rocks..keep it up!!
@@josephhatamiable Mint. Cheers mate. Let me know how you get on. I love me quiver killer and the crowd killer is just an upside version I I have heard from people that own and love both so should be great 🤙
Yeah definitely something to have a go at very rewarding. Some places do courses or shape your own schemes now too so you can have a board and support. Local guy will have you shape it with guidance and then glass and sand and finish it for you
@@SkipperSurfReview Oh Just realized it's you I like your videos too mate. Great work so thanks to you to for the content. It's nice to see another impartial I know it's a lot of work for something that's just a passion for no material reward but the community is great and it's nice to help people out. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk will check it out! My buddy has started shaping in his garage. Having full time job is a bit harder to do it consistently but we will get to it😁
Lol cheers mate. I really want to do a tick tock parady now too. Change that popular one to b$#ch I'm a ghost .... Christmas dinners a roast ... When I wake up gonna eat my cornflakes and some toast 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cheers mate. Yeah working on that. Had come up with Dark Horse and a couple of other options but not too sure people keep asking me to get a logo going 🤣 open to ideas too 👍
Cheers. I usually stick to 6oz bottom with a 6oz fin reinforcement patch and 6 + 4 top. That's what this it. Done the odd 4oz bottom and 6+4 top but don't feel the weight and flex benefits are sufficient gain for the durability for us non pro riders and Glasser's
Cheers Carlos :-) Will take that as a huge compliment the CI is a beauty :-) How you like it? Rides most conditions? CIs almost always perform really well no matter what the design.
@@lawson45uk It goes amazing in small and big surf, in fact when it is overhead it gives me more confidence to go, just have to play with the center fin set up and all good after that.. being 52 years old and about 87 kg, I should have moved to a mid-lenght a while ago... still ride my 5'9'' Seaside thou.. cheers and Merry X-Mas
@@cctcsc Nice mate. That sounds like exactly what I like about mids too.. When I first got my old piggy I couldn't get off it for a couple of weeks as I rarely felt like I was on the wrong board where the smaller boards it can be fat, slow, crowded and lots of Logs and sups to compete with so I would just get frustrated and no waves which I still do so hopefully these ones see me back on the mids more. Problem is i love shaping and riding the smaller ones still :-) lol Really should accept my local waves and my ability are much more suited to mids, lots of guys surf them really well locally that would be struggling on shorter boards. Glad to head you have boards your stoked with, CI mid and the Seaside are both great choices. Have a great Christmas, hope you score plenty of waves :-)
Yeah I agree for size selection. It also relates to what length your user to riding on your shorty or hybrid to some degree too. If you ride a 5'10" shorty maybe 6'4"-6’8” is plenty for a mid maybe you still want to go to 7’10” and use it as your longboard totally agree everyone’s requirements and take on it is personal preference.👍 I'm only about 5'8" so anything over 7 I can't duck dive then I want to be on like 7'10" after that I don't like the 7'6" range for me personally. A mate is a bit taller I made him a 5'11" hybrid and a 6'8" mid. He was looking at a 7'6" but also would have ideally gone a touch less width and even less volume on the mid. He's a very good surfer. It's all a trade off and personal preference. No real hard and fast rules. Cheers
Great job! Love the 5 fin boxes. I try to talk all my clients into that configuration.
Cheers. Yeah had to do my research to make sure your not ending up with too many fin positions and none that actually work but this was a good balance and didn't put the quad fronts too far up or leave the sides too far back for 2 plus 1 seems to work in these configs keen to try Red as a single fin. Thanks mate
When I first started in 1979 midlength was the normal size that I still ride 7 to 8 ft boards today
Yeah and some of those style outlines are still great now especially when paired to modern bottom contours :-)
That is such a fucking loved shape man. They are so functional in nearly all surf.
Yeah absolutely.. If your a minimalist and just want to enjoy yourself drama free from all the insane selection and marketing we have these days a nice Mid is a good choice.. For us locally a Mid and a longboard covers 75% of our the waves that we get especially for me older and slower now unfortunately. Some kind of solid Hybrid for roadies and maybe a grovel board if you want to have a couple of shorter options. Cheers for watching.
Fantastic review,very well explained as usual....keep it rockin ♥️🇮🇪🌊🤙🤙
Thanks mate appreciate your support :-) Have a good Holiday season as I think the PC term is now ;-)
Love the blue, I’ve shaped for years and it’s a sweet outline on the blue nice
Thanks mate :-) Appreciate your support
Nice looking board, beautiful glass job. I had a 7'4" mid length made by HC Surfboards at Ruakaka. I put a swallow tail in it. It is a beautiful board and rides like a dream.
Thanks Chris. Yeah this one has been going pretty well. Actually got plans to do either a long fish which would be mostly this boards front end but a touch wider and a nice swallow tail a little wider or make a mid twin which could be this board but with the addition of a wing so actually adding to a straighter rail line and more drive around the fins. This one was made with bigger but still rolling waves in mind so good to know similar works. Thanks for your support :-)
Great video! Learnt a lot from it. Good content!!
Cheers James thanks for watching the channel appreciate your support
Mid life crisis, buy a red convertible Corvette, Mid Length Crisis, buy a Channel Islands red egg board. 😂 Beautiful board, definitely need to get my hands on one of those modernized throwback eggs 🏄🥇👌
Cheers Mate, yeah just easy riding fun with Eggs and mids ,can't go wrong :-)
Great video...I love mid lengths but mine are more in the 8’ range...I prefer them pulled in with a touch of extra nose rocker.
Great and entertaining vlog! How about some vid of your break and some background on you..how many boards etc , how you support your habit, how your wife/ girlfriend puts up with your addiction...:)
Lol yeah mate. Lots of people seem to be keen for some surf / surfing footage. Haven't got some to film me but maybe can get a show of the local break sometime. As for the wife I don't have one that's how I get away with that. I also don't live with anyone so yeah I only have myself to annoy 🤣🤣 My girlfriend is an absolute legend and very understanding and also loves cleaning so yeah living the dream buddy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's usually people with wives make those kids of comments 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Although I was thinking to shape me a longboard, in my head I'm not ready to go for it and surf longboard. Not having a midlength board in over a year, plus the lack of surfing I'm doing now due to MTB and awful surf conditions lately. I'm contemplating in a midlength. Perhaps a copy of the weird board I shaped me 4 years ago. I may do a small shallow tail or squash. IMO a midlength is a must in a quiver, regardless how many good thick fish boards this one has.
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Yeah absolutely.. If your a minimalist and just want to enjoy yourself drama free from all the insane selection and marketing we have these days a nice Mid is a good choice.. For us locally a Mid and a longboard covers 75% of our the waves that we get especially for me older and slower now unfortunately. Some kind of solid Hybrid for roadies and maybe a grovel board if you want to have a couple of shorter options. Cheers for watching.
Love the outlines on both of them. Nice job. Are those Fusion boxes? If so, why did you choose those vs the latest FCS boxes? Did you hand shape both or CNC? If hand shape, it would be really interesting to see a video on how you made the outlines. Thanks!
Hi Sorry for the late reply only just getting round to checking for the messages I have missed. Cheers appreciate the positive feedback and support :-) FCS2 Boxes, I also use Futures. Hand shape 100% dont have access to CNC shapes. Yeah I should do that some time. So I can do a rough outline on CAD software or create completely from scratch. I use a slightly more intricate version of this technique to do it completely manually. czcams.com/video/EMM_bg8bS1A/video.html Same flexible bar style but I use some paper and panel pin off nose tail and wide point then use the bard to create a smooth curve. Transfer that paper template to 3mm MDF then cut it out and clean it up. I use that template to mark the blank the use a jigsaw to cut the blank. I have bought and ridden a lot of boards so have a bit of an eye for what I like. it's not too complicated though once you get to know the Nose at 12" back measurements, tail at 12" up and width and how far forward it is a lot can be plotted from these 3 points. Plus once you get a few templates it's easy to take a nose of something and a tail off something else then make a new template line to blend them all together and create another template. Cheers.
Nice review! I am curious what works better for knee - shoulder waves - the 2 plus one with the big fin box and center fin (like you have)? OR just regular size 5 fin boxes with a thruster, quad or twin plus trailer option? there are really no reviews on this? Some say the big center box makes the tail heavy and stiff. I would also like to know which board you like better in knee - waist high? cheers!
Hi Allen. Yeah I think it really depends on the feel you like and your riding style. I think I talk about that a bit in the board I made myself most recently. I think if your generally riding hybrid short board style you might enjoy the 5 fin style and if your usually on a longboard the single and side bites might suit you better. Or you might want the opposite for a different feel. One thing I have learnt is it can be difficult to have it all in one package for fin placement. It's ok if you don't mind a compromise and want to try everything but if you know you want a twin or a quad or a twin and trailer it's usually optimal to get exactly that. If you get a single and sides the quad is often a compromise or after though and a thruster isn't the ideal placement for a twin so it can get annoying trying to do everything. I have had mids that the quads are in the wrong spot and doesn't feel right because the side fins are positioned well forward and also had the sunday which I didn't love the ride as a twin or as a single depending on the waves and a lot of it is personal preference. On a glidy mid a certain fin set up also will work better than on something that's more a big guy shortboard design. I personally love my quads but that's not everyone and my other board works amazing as a single fin.
Curious about the fin boxes too. Never seen that FCS type box before. Great video BTW.
Cheers. Standard FCS 2 boxes and it's a futures strong box for the single fin. Epoxy it into the shaped blank glass and over them so good system.
Awesome videos! Really makes me want to try more different boards/try shaping a board! Better find myself a shed and get down to Sadhana I guess! Would love to have a surf on that blue one! Think it would go so well
Cheers mate, Yeah it's definitely a cool bucket list tick off making a board even if it's just one. You can get kits and Sadhana or Jay even does a learn to shape course in the winter where you learn and shape it and he glasses it for you. I'm actually going to be looking at selling the Blue one as that and a couple of others were intended to be made for sale anyways and can't keep them all. Guess you live in CHCH ?
@@lawson45uk that's what I figure! Gotta try it and I might love it! Been looking at the Sadhana kits a bunch! Think I'd give glassing a go myself, got bits and pieces of experience with glass so will be interesting to see how it goes!
Oh really? I guess selling them is a pretty good excuse to make more and try different things (and pay for materials!) Might have to take a look when you do want to sell 😎
Yea man Chch based, sure beats the surf back in London! Love it 😂
@@bartkayaking1 yeah nice. Give it a crack if you got some experience and willing to give it a go. I have just been using PU blanks with epoxy resin. Good combination of the two and epoxy is much safer to use at home. Yeah I have put one or two on trade me but it's been kinda difficult to to even get that materials costs back. Guess it's a unknown back yard shaper vs the price of some of the cheap mass produced boards these days. Locals that see them seem really impressed with the quality and design but I guess I would be pretty dubious or a back yard no brand knowing they made it properly. Ironically its kinda the opposite. I have had boards mass produced boards that have terrible glass jobs and fin boxes haven't even been glued on or had reinforcing patches fitted. Hit me up on Instagram go_surf_nz if you like mate. Some pics of the boards on there too. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk yea I really like the idea of PU with epoxy, I've heard the pu blanks are easier to shape but I'm not a fan of that styrene smell from the resin, so epoxy might be the go!
Yea it's tough I bet buying without seeing it, off TradeMe or similar! I recon you're more likely to have a great board with way more attention put into it from someone who knows what they're doing rather than a mass produced thing!
Yea I'll flick you a message! Also if you want some surf video for the old CZcams and you're Chch I'd happily point a camera/come swimming with a GoPro 😎
@@lawson45uk CI surfboards super light glassing. Good marketing scam because they are trashed after a dozen or so surfs. Fine if you are a sponsored surfer !!!
Red one looks really nice mate, fantastic shape.
A combination of age, fat guts and watching too many Torren Martyn surf movies has seen me just by a custom mid this week…….yet to be surfed.
Lol cheers mate. Ironically sold that one to a young fella as ah alternative to his JS 30 litre whatever board so sorry about that rest of us old guys that are now still getting less waves 🤣🤣 cool middy sounds nice. What sort of dims and fin set up. Embrace it buddy it's an excellent thing to have in your quiver 👌🤙👍👍
@@lawson45uk haha, I had enough young blokes rounding me up at snapper on the weekend!
7’2 x 22 x 3 bout 50 litres. Single plus side bites. Really pinny tail, looks the business, all up to me now.
@@alexanderturl Nice sounds like some good dims and plenty of volume.. Lets GOooooo :-)
Boards looking nice, What fins have you put in red there?
Hi Sorry for the late reply just finding the few messages that slipped through the net unanswered. I have used some shapers performance single and sides as well as some AM large quads. Both work well. I'm quad kinda guy generally but like to experiment to. Not tried as a single yet but suspect that would go nice too in a decent wave. Cheers.
Very nice work, I talked to you about buying the CI MID on your last vid.. I'm going for it...
BTW that comment/ dance about tiktok was funny...I don't get it either lol..
Yeah cheers buddy ;-) Let me know what size you get and how it goes. I would love to get hold of the CI Mid Fins but there expensive and hard to get here in NZ at the moment. Maybe next year. Cheers.
OMG i bought the 6'10 CI MID and I love it, can't get off of it..
Has anyone tried riding the CI MID as a twin? Lmk thanks
just wanted to compare, what level surfer are you and can you tell me top boards you recomend for groveler, good waves up to head high, foot over head, double over head- waves are for oahu summer south shore and north shore not top spots but good spots. im intermediate surfer almost 50 , 200 lbs. not pulling airs, can ride tube, turns , floater, nothing really radical . like know idela dims and volume also aloha, g
Hi Greg. I'm very much average at best in my ability, would say I'm intermediate on a good day unfortunately :-) lol waves we get are extremely soft and slow too. Wouldn't claim to know what would work best in Hawaii as the waves there are probably very different but saying that I also see and hear regular people talking about and using many similar boards so guess my mind is probably thinking big and powerful waves but guess there would be quite a mixture. I have ridden a lot of Firewire and Lost too so i'm probably gonna call up a lot of these, doesnt mean there arnt other good options... If I were putting a quiver together for those waves here I would go something like Bean bag for propper grovel, or an actual longboard. OG puddle jumper or seaside if it's not tiny but not hollow stuff. Upto head high decent waves probably something like your Rocket Wide, quiver killer psycho killer, they would be happy at a foot overhead but you could go to Uber XL or something a little more performance orientated. Double overhead we dont really get often I would probably get onto something like the ghost or even a a pretty pointy mid with rocker for a rolly point... To be honest if your in Hawaii would be easy to just go Groveller, Gremlin, Shadow, Ghost from the Pyze Havent owned but only heard good things. I think most of the boards I ride in the similar dims and volume would suit a decent surfer 200LB in Hawaii maybe add eve a little or take a little away depending on what you like for your volume. Hope that helps, The Bean Bag, quiver/psycho killer, RNF retro Seaside are all boards I keep coming back to and have a great time riding. Also longboards and mids something like aFirewire Special T or Gem and something like a Seaside and Beyond or ci mid or a chilli mid or a Phze mid be handy. Aloha..
That was awesome mahalo for the info, i dont ride Pyzels i dont care for them , i also ride Tokoros and Arakawa for step ups@@lawson45uk
I’m really digging CI mid as I’ve heard it’s an all round board and I’m toying between getting a 7.0 or 6.10. Wdyt? I’m 178cm (5ft10) and 75kg. I’ve been surfing for 2 years and wouldn’t consider myself too advance but I was surfing a 6.8 hybrid fish 45L before and can catch waves and go down the line.
Honestly you could go for either that's one good thing about mids you can go a little longer and get more glide and wave range or go a little smaller and get a bit more performace and less wave catching and range. At your weight you should be able to duck dive either though the 7ft might be more of a just so if your gonna ride it in decent sized waves with some shape the 6'10" probably suit your weight better. If your in easier waves less hollow or a point and want a bit more glide and cruise maybe the 7. i'm 84kgs and would go the 7 for me so the 6'10" could be good for you but if your looking to keep all the volume your fish has you might need to go the 7 too. Hope that helps.
Hi there, I have a fins question, if that's alright? So what would the difference be between having the larger centre fin and a normal thruster set up? Im guessing that the larger fin allows you to turn the board from further forward? But would it also make the board turn a bit different too? Thanks!
Hi Max. Yeah Maybe have a look at my fin guide that details the difference between a single fin single and stabilizers, twin, thruster quad etc that might help a little but yeah a single fin is a very different feeling from a thruster. You will get more glide and flow and less drag but also won’t be able to drive and force things in the same way you can with a thruster. A single grip and pivot point simplifies things a lot but isn’t necessarily going to give you the same ability to perform more aggressive direction changes, you rely more on what the wave gives you than what you can make yourself. The single with side bites is like an extension of that same set up with more stability and helps get you on a rail more easily. Yes for sure you can turn a board from further up with a single fin and it will free the board up a little especially in waves with little push. It’s more common to see these set ups on longer boards these days but Midlengths and 70’s inspired outlines and fin set ups are becoming more popular again too. It’s more of a personal preference than a right and wrong and sometimes nice and fun for surfers just to have some more options for trying out a feel or a style of fin set up they like in the same board. Hope that helps. Thanks.
@@lawson45uk Thanks for taking the time to answer with such good detail! So would it be possible to have a large centre fin box and sometimes surf it as a 2+1 and perhaps sometimes put an adapter in and surf as a standard thruster? I spoke to a shaper here and he said it would have a different pivot point, but wouldn't necessarily not work. Forgive me if thats a stupid question!
@@bigthyme So yes this is absolutely possible if you have a look at my fin guide video it shows exactly how to do that with FCS 2 fins too.. Cavate to that and what your shaper is saying is fin position is also extremely important for optimal performance in a given fin set up on a given board length and style. For the right board at the right length you can make a single fin, 2 plus 1, thruster and quad work reasonably well without compromising position buy too much but that’s not the same for every board at every length…. I learnt some of this before I started shaping and lots more after 😊 Without getting crazy detailed with numbers and bearing in mind these numbers are tail to the back of the fin you might have a stock thruster set up with front fins around 280mm and rear fin around 98. A longboard designed for side bites might have the front fins (side Bites) placed up 420mm so even if you get the cluster right as your shaper is saying your essentially turning off a different point on the board which might not be at all optimal. If you look at something like my own midlengths I have made I have put the side fins in a slightly compromised position so it’s just a few mm high for a thruster and just a few mm low for a side bite and it works pretty good.. That doesn’t work on all boards, all tails and all lengths though… There Is actually quite a lot too it. Usually the worst thing between a single fin box and thruster is most boxes you will struggle to get the thruster fin all the way back to where it should be. True Ames have an offset fin that helps solve this… So yes some boards it will work if it’s designed right. I’m ok with the concept of playing with one swiss army knife board to get a feel with some compromise but you can’t beat the right board with the right fin set up and the right design for it so yeah for sure go play or design something that will do what you want with the shaper but for me optimal is if you want a single or a twin or a quad design the board and the fin position to suit ideally. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk ah yes I'd not really thought about the effect with regards the side fins. Thats a very important point. As I sent that last message, I did think I was asking the classic swiss army knife question of one board literally doing everything and perhaps losing what's good about a set-up. Like you say, its probably better to enjoy the different set-ups and styles. Sorry to keep asking questions, but I have one more if thats alright? So would a midlength (say 7'2), with the same outline, rocker etc still flow and have momentum (rather than need pumping), regardless of whether it was a 2+1 or a thruster set up?
@@paulisexpensive Ha ha all good mate. It does work for some boards to be a do it all fin set up and have that choice and variety and to learn how the different set ups feel in one board is really cool especially if your not wanting to have a big quiver of boards. Honestly and just my personal opinion nothing drags as badly as a thruster for myself in the slow weal waves I surf at my level of surfing. Guys that rip can use thrusters really well to manufacture speed and put themselves where they want to be I would fin a 2+1 less drag and more glide in the same board. Obviuosly it depends on the board and how it was designed but for say something like a CI Mid I would expect to loose glide and trim if you converted it to a thruster. Different board with different concaves possibly a different result but for me generally I just stay away from thrusters I find them way to hard to get going and carry speed for my level of surfing and the local waves. Cheers.
Im going to look at a board to purchase today after work...first thank you for being responsive for all the quirky question I ask..you have been very helpful! I have to decide betwene a stock Crowd killer 6'10" @43.5 liters and a Hypto Krypto PE custom shaped 6'11" x 21.5x 2.75 @45.3 Liters. I want a high volume board to get into waves early instead of getting hung up under on the lip and being pinched over when the size and the speed of the waves get bigger. ..in like the racy steep 6' - 10 face or the slower rolling but still steep 6 - 10' face type waves. I'm 5'7 @160lbs. I can pump up and down the line pretty well but not to skilled in shredding the lip of the waves or full cut backs..mayne because my usual boards are high volume fishes. Is the two boards comparable or is one going to be clumsy becuase of the design and my height combo..or..what do u think? I've been using my buddies super high volume 7'2" @ almost52 liters and getting into bigger waves super early and having a blast but I cant duck dive it and I get tossed around. I am able to duck dive a 46liter puddle jumper..enough to get by if that helps.
Hey buddy. I have asked a guy Bret or Brent that had commented on this same review to chip in as he has a big hypto so can maybe help. With a big hypto I would personally be a bit concerned about the placement of the wide point as it's more designed to be a smaller board but I haven't ridden one that high so probably unfair for me to just make an assumption. I have had a 6'2" and persoablly also like a more balanced template but plenty of my friends absolutely love hyptos. The crowd killer I have heard great things and that would be my choice again just as it's a bit more balanced. Rocker is probably ok for the waves your looking at too. if you wanted less rocker and a slightly more cruisy carving momentum based ride with less rocker you could also consider the smooth operator. Basically something not too far off my red one would probably suit you nicely. Your pretty light so on a shorty you would be riding less volume than me but sounds like you have a good idea of what you enjoy so stick to that as there is no right and wrong just whatever makes you the most happy and gets you lots of waves ... Getting pitched over can sometimes be too much volume too but if your in early enough that's less of an issue. All up my personal choice would be the crowd killer just because of reasons stated I like a more balanced template and I think for your weight that 43 litres should still leave you with a nice grippy refined rail on that length of baord. The party crasher could also be worth a look but again that's if you wanted more tail size and less rocker. 6-10 ft faces the crowd killer should go good. That's more of a big guy shortboard rocker party is more like a big guy rocket so a step down from the crowd killer. But yeah out of your choices I personally would go the crowd killer as it's designed to do the job your looking at 👍👍
@@lawson45uk bam..your quick reply saves the day..I'm driving to meet the guy selling the crowd killer now..I just needed a little extra design confirmation because I was swaying that way . Your you tube channel rocks..keep it up!!
@@josephhatamiable Mint. Cheers mate. Let me know how you get on. I love me quiver killer and the crowd killer is just an upside version I I have heard from people that own and love both so should be great 🤙
Awesome work. I would like to shape my own!
Yeah definitely something to have a go at very rewarding. Some places do courses or shape your own schemes now too so you can have a board and support. Local guy will have you shape it with guidance and then glass and sand and finish it for you
@@lawson45uk thank you man!
@@SkipperSurfReview Oh Just realized it's you I like your videos too mate. Great work so thanks to you to for the content. It's nice to see another impartial I know it's a lot of work for something that's just a passion for no material reward but the community is great and it's nice to help people out. Cheers.
@@SkipperSurfReview I put pics of my shapes and build process on Instagram if your interested too go_surf_nz
@@lawson45uk will check it out! My buddy has started shaping in his garage. Having full time job is a bit harder to do it consistently but we will get to it😁
That intro was classic hahahahaha yeeeeeeewww
Lol cheers mate. I really want to do a tick tock parady now too. Change that popular one to b$#ch I'm a ghost .... Christmas dinners a roast ... When I wake up gonna eat my cornflakes and some toast 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@lawson45uk hahahahahahhahaha
@@lawson45uk nice board also mate 👍🏽
Those look awesome! I'm on the FCD Huevo Ranchero 7'2" x 21.4" x 2.8"
Cheers mate. They look nice too actually quite similar aye. Good sleek board the Huevo
Nice work 🤙🏼. No shapers logo ?? I love a nice logo ❤️
Cheers mate. Yeah working on that. Had come up with Dark Horse and a couple of other options but not too sure people keep asking me to get a logo going 🤣 open to ideas too 👍
@@lawson45uk Dark Horse is taken by Bic softboards unfortunately
Very nice. Whats the glassing schedule of the red?
Cheers. I usually stick to 6oz bottom with a 6oz fin reinforcement patch and 6 + 4 top. That's what this it. Done the odd 4oz bottom and 6+4 top but don't feel the weight and flex benefits are sufficient gain for the durability for us non pro riders and Glasser's
@@lawson45uk great stuff. Thanks :)
Nice board, it looks like my CI MID...
Cheers Carlos :-) Will take that as a huge compliment the CI is a beauty :-) How you like it? Rides most conditions? CIs almost always perform really well no matter what the design.
Thanks mate appreciate your support :-) Have a good Holiday season as I think the PC term is now ;-)
@@lawson45uk It goes amazing in small and big surf, in fact when it is overhead it gives me more confidence to go, just have to play with the center fin set up and all good after that.. being 52 years old and about 87 kg, I should have moved to a mid-lenght a while ago... still ride my 5'9'' Seaside thou.. cheers and Merry X-Mas
@@cctcsc Nice mate. That sounds like exactly what I like about mids too.. When I first got my old piggy I couldn't get off it for a couple of weeks as I rarely felt like I was on the wrong board where the smaller boards it can be fat, slow, crowded and lots of Logs and sups to compete with so I would just get frustrated and no waves which I still do so hopefully these ones see me back on the mids more. Problem is i love shaping and riding the smaller ones still :-) lol Really should accept my local waves and my ability are much more suited to mids, lots of guys surf them really well locally that would be struggling on shorter boards. Glad to head you have boards your stoked with, CI mid and the Seaside are both great choices. Have a great Christmas, hope you score plenty of waves :-)
haha im in this category but not yet for the mid lenght ;)
Lol di it go on you know you want to :-) lol
El invento se llama smooth operator de mayhem
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Pyzel owes you $ he stole yo name🤙
Lmao It was probably someone else before me to be fair but if you see Pyzel tell him he can license it for the small cost of a board from him :-P lol
I'm 5,6 - so a mid length board to me isn't the same as a mid length to someone who's 6,2
Yeah I agree for size selection. It also relates to what length your user to riding on your shorty or hybrid to some degree too. If you ride a 5'10" shorty maybe 6'4"-6’8” is plenty for a mid maybe you still want to go to 7’10” and use it as your longboard totally agree everyone’s requirements and take on it is personal preference.👍 I'm only about 5'8" so anything over 7 I can't duck dive then I want to be on like 7'10" after that I don't like the 7'6" range for me personally. A mate is a bit taller I made him a 5'11" hybrid and a 6'8" mid. He was looking at a 7'6" but also would have ideally gone a touch less width and even less volume on the mid. He's a very good surfer. It's all a trade off and personal preference. No real hard and fast rules. Cheers