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- LeBron James wants to make sure everyone knows he can still go out and get buckets. He put an Instagram post on his story that had a stat that read quote, 'from 2015 to 2017, LeBron went 177 straight regular season games without taking 30 plus shots. The next game he did, he scored 57 points on 34 field goal attempts.' LeBron put the hushing emoji above and hashtag 'washed king' below it. Hear what Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe have to say about LeBron's post and whether the King could average 50 points if he tried.
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Shannon arguments are not good. Also, MJ shooting % was 50% before he came back as a old player with the Wizards. Lebron is at 50% and falling as he gets older.
Lebron is who he is, he had chances to score more doesn't mean he wins, more shots takes away more assists and that's not lebron's game!
And again shannon kicked skip and mj a.., everytime i see skip disarmed, damn i thanked god.
The wise sharpe vs the dumb bayless
If this would be mortal kombat, i might say to shannon " finish him", "fatality"
@@TH-uy5ou Shannon doesn't know basketball, he keeps saying lebron is better because of rebounds and assists, THAT'S NOT WHAT SHOOTING GUARDS POSITIONS DO, THEY SCORE AND PLAYED DEFENSE. KOBE, WADE, DREXLER, DUMARS ALL DID THE SAME THING!
Lol
Shannon: " ...he'll got 40 thousands, 10'000 rebounds, 10'000 assist and a minimum of 5 c'ships..."
Skip: "...how many finals he lose?"
Lol that hilarious, cos skip is defending mj has the got, but he uses always the subjet that mj was 6-0 in finals, but russell got 11 (8-0 the first time), n robert horry got 7-0, so skip can avoid reality, n that is that mj wasnt the goat n that LEGOAT is better player than mj, even if LEGOAT wasnt a good ft or the best 3pt shooter, he dominates this league with less help than mj got, so if LEGOAT improved, he simple became the NBA GOD
Skip hanging off a cliff and bron comes and saves him
Skip: Jordan would've stomped on my hand he was a killer
“I met Michael in person. He farted in my face and it was better than anything LeBron ever did”
- Skip Bayless
LMAO
😂😂
bro i laughed too hard at this comment 😂😂
LOL u both wrongs for those comments lol
Skip's mental stamina is incredible. I've never witnessed a man at his age, have the ability to jump through so many hoops and not fatigue himself. That's amazing.
Pure factz 😂😂
😭😭😭😭I’m cryin
Skip is borderline senile
I think Shannon’s mental stamina may be at a higher level just for the fact that he has to debate against Skip jumping through those hoops haha. Most of us would’ve just smacked Skip after 20 seconds 😂
It's derived only from his devotion to bashing Lebron. It looks more like illness than anything
This show is actually called, “Keeping up with Lebron.”
Nah cause if it was they’d be making better numbers
Yawning…..please……🥱🥱🥱🥱
For real
They talk about everything Lebron just get more views
i wish this convo would just end already. there are too many "IF's". just let it go...on both sides....like Unc said , people that think Jordan is the GOAT are not gonna change...same thing with lebron...lets move on.
I guess Kyrie, Wade, Love and Bosh were just out there runnin'
As if Pippen wasn't doing what MJ couldn't do. Sadly the phony GOAT couldn't win without Pippen.
How can you run without legs?
@@multyz1 so magic couldn’t win without Kareem and worthy .. or bron couldn’t win without bosh, wade, Allen , Kyrie , love , AD … and mj could do what pippin could do but you have a home grown player that is versatile why not let him grow and nobody in the league scored like mj he averaged a triple double damn near when asked
None of them were as dominate in the league like Shaq.
So😂😂
“poor lebron, so his coaches were saying ‘YOU CANT SHOOT’ “ skip is hilarious man 🤣🤣
😂 that was a bar
Skip the GOAT lol
Nope lbj did not want to coach like on the cavs ok so it's on lbj ok
Lol I laught out loud when skip said that 😹😹and he’s right !!!
You guys are weird.
Shannon’s right but that doesn’t really matter, if you shoot more you’re gonna have more points. Jordan and Lebron’s roles on their teams were different.
Facts like if Jordan passed as much as Lebron he’d average 9 assists for a year
@@Phori859 facts… and less points. It’s common sense
@@carlosduncan1389 not really I think it was during the 80s or sum, he averaged 8 assists and 8 rebounds while still scoring 33 a game for the season
also, efficiency will go down if someone didn't play their natural play
ex. even if Embiid and AD can shoot outside, some night they could 3/4. But that doesnt mean they can be 9/12 if they shoot more
That's the point Shannon is making, if lebron were to play the same role as Jordan, given his efficiency, he'd average about 32 ppg given in those 4 extra shots he makes 2.
LeBron doesn't need to play defense his fans does it for him. Good lord lmao
I also love how Shannon forgets that lebron had 2 great rebounders in bosh and kevin love who when he got them were like 11 rebound a game guys.
Facts!
& he won ? that’s the point . when he can jus focus on scoring he wins when he have to do too much he loses
Not when they played with him
Look at there numbers when they played with him awful point
Bosh wasn’t consistent. There are times when Bosh have 3 rebounds in a playoff.
LeBron is literally controlling this show at this point. I think he knows that too....
Boom!👍🏿
He probably watches it then goes on his Instagram to make skip mad
This comment is so true.
Actually Lebron is paid for every post he makes. Many entertainment shows benefits from that.
He controlling whole ESPN 🏀
Skip: 2015-2017 is ancient history
Also skip: keeps bringing up lebron's 2011 meltdown
Why wouldn't he? People say Jordan won because his teams were way better.
That year, LeBron lost to a team they should have beaten and they lost because of LeBron.
@@MikeBNumba6 what do you mean why wouldn’t he? You can’t dismiss something by saying it’s ancient then bring up something that’s even more ancient. That’s hypocrisy at it’s finest
@@MikeBNumba6 that same Dallas team swept ballhog Kobe yet no one ever mentions that
@@MikeBNumba6 Dallas is better Miami is just more famous coz of Bron, check the roster 1 by 1 and compare
@@arizonaFIREent Isn’t Lebron supposedly better than Kobe tho? So that point is irrelevant.
5:00 How can Bayless have missed this one? The answer is Shaquille O’Neal because Shaq played with LeBron James just before LBJ took his talents to South Beach.
Skip is old and Shannon Sharpe is talking so fast that's why skip can't catch on.
When he was 37 lmao
Shaq? Really? How old was Shaq and what year was he in when he went to Cleveland? Dwade carried him and LeBron got the scraps of Shaq
Shannon is acting like MJ's career average is 30/0/0... LOL
Exactly 😂
Lmao this sums it up right here lol
Damn near close
😂😂😂
I love every time Shannon says "Don't do that, Skip"😂😂😂
thank god i was getting worried they would forget to talk about lebron today
haha good one
😅🤣😅😅
I remember when Kobe put Pau on the deck first time he played against him in the Olympics. Bron, D Wade, Carmelo and the rest of the young guys were mind blown that he did that. That is a great example of the different in mindsets IMO
Shannon always trying to descredit Kobe bruh Bron played with Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Davis and now he has Westbrook too Shannon stop talking basketball 🙃🙃🙃
Jordan averages 5 assist and 6 rebounds.. Along with averaging more blocks and steals than lebron so how was he just a scorer??
He averaged 8 assists one year, 8 rebounds another year and 40 points another year. He was capable of doing everything Lebron does and much much more.
Exactly. Shannon act like Jordan averaged 2 rebounds and 3 ast for his career. Jordan is a better all around player than lebron. He's a better offensive and defensive player, plus a better leader. Jordan got more out of his teammates than lebron. Lebrons teammates fail him because lebron is not a great leader, and he blames them when things go wrong.
@@GtheGreat1 and u wonder why??? Nobody wanted to play with Jordan but back then u wasnt just getting out no contract to play with a super team. Basically Bron could of played the same selfish way like jordan and shoot all them shots and Jordan blamed alot on his teammates but nobody talks about that. If i had to choose i would play with Lebron.
@@dukeb1342 you would choose lebron because he doesn't hold people accountable, he's not a great leader.Larry bird said it best: if I want to have fun I'll play with lebron, if I want to win I'll play with kobe. Jordan was demanding and won 6 rings because of it. He got the best out of his teammates. Lebron has superteams and still losses because of his bad leadership and ball dominance
@@dukeb1342 Jordan doesn't go out to press conferences and make excuses like Lebron. He puts in work in practice to MAKE his teammates ready for the big moment. Jordan didn't throw his team under the bus like Lebron has done, multiple times now.
I love how Shannon and Skip go back and forth with Lebron and MJ facts because it reminds me of a brotherly squabble about who's guy is better. 🤣🤣 Great stuff.
Shannon always makes good valid points and skip is just like "No"
@@IDK-rb1yv Skip makes points BUT he doesn't do any research on MJ & u could tell because his POV is based all on memory & his passion for the GOAT. Yet, he could shut Shannon down quickly with a couple of quick reminders & he doesn't
Skip: MJ is 20-0 in the finals
Shannon: but lebrons 0-25 in the finals so he’s been there more
One of the worse takes i ever seen
@@NBAKING149 MJ >>> Lebum
@@merciless2062 your opinion.. and whether u like lebron or not we all know bron is not a bum
@Pallani imagine being so salty tht MJ is the goat not Lebum tht u comment on something from 4 weeks ago to make urself feel better😭😭😭
@@NBAKING149 lebron is still an all time great but he’s still not MJ’s level. Face the facts bruh
This is great satire. Both of these guys are comic geniuses! :)
Im a LeBron fan but I love skips trolling man's said cubic zirconia championship 🤣🤣 14:30
Funny how skip didn’t want to refute the fact LBJ players 3 years longer than MJ and still has fewer shot attempts. That actually is incredible!!!
You’re not a LeBron’s fan. The latest doesn’t love anything about this POS …. Smart people either, by the way… Only Trolls do.
@@francoismerieux8770 it’s not that serious
@@benbarson2810 ???? What does that mean ? I do not have a right to reply ?
It was funny 2 yrs ago where you been, it's dry now
If you listen to Shannon Sharpe you’d never believe LeBron played with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, KLove or AD
None those players are better then Shaq give bron shaq his 8 yrs he would have 7 rings by now
@@tylerwest3161 if LeBron was drafted by the Pistons in 03 and Darko went #1 overall to Cavs there will be two things happening.
1. City of Cleveland will riot
2. LeBron starts his career off with a 5 peat possibly? 04,05,06,07, and 08.
@@tylerwest3161 LeBron went 6 against an unhealthy 5th seed with AD on his team. There’s no way he wins 7 with Shaq from 96 to 04
@@kase121 bro are dumb or something Shaq was literally unstoppable you put him in the pick and roll with bron how are you stopping them
kyrie, wade, love, bosh, allen, AD, ain't this enough? Reblon gets every credit when he wins like he won alone, then he had no help when he loses. Why is that?
😂 every post I seen like this forgot the main argument. What position Shaq plays? What position the ones you mentioned play excluding Bosh and no Bosh is no where near Shaq😂
@@blackice51374 dude, shannon tryin to act like Reblon had no help, he played with all time great caliber guards and forwards, reblon has always stacked his team to win and despite that he lost more than he won, you casually dismissing AD is the point. Should kyrie and wade play center to be considered as help?
@UCN8qNIfqUjWbDvZ1hPHk1_g you're a clown 🤡
Same thing apply to MJ!!
d fish did not initiate the offense lol. Kobe even said himself he always had to bring the ball up and he hated it. MJ had pippen and Bron had Wade and Irving. Both MJ and Bron played with way better playmakers than Kobe.
Kobe had better big men than MJ and Bron.
“Michael Jordan won championships with Bill Wennington”…..😂
Lol
Facts 😂😂
Lebron brought bums to the finals what’s ur point.
@Andre Samuels while playing against Duncan Ginobili parker Kawhi kd steph klay green
@Andre Samuels no he didnt it's not facts smh do you remember they all get hurt in the finals once but Bosh smh
9:10 what is Shannon talking about? Over Jordan's 6 championship seasons, he averaged 30.5 ppg. In the playoffs that jumped up to 32.6 ppg. So saying that Jordan did not win when he was scoring 30+ ppg, is simply wrong.
Jordan had a 36 ppg avg during his first 3 peats Shannon needs to be drug tested lol. He be acting like he didn’t watch Jordan’s career
And I hate when he drags kobe name in the dirt to uplift lebron.
@@starfireprincess When has ever dragged Kobe’s named in dirt lmao
@@AllBackends "if lebron had shaq for 8 years he would've won 8" umm did he forget lebron had shaq in Cleveland and they didn't vibe well at all?
Sometimes he so desperately try to defend lebron he forgets reality
Shannon says lebron never had great rebounders… umm, he could have just let Kevin limove do what he was doing in Minnesota. Then Chris bosh always averaged 11-12 Rebs a game before he came to miami. Everyone is acting like the players lebron played with weren’t all stars before they joined lebron. They would have had better individual careers had they not joined lebron. Period
Every time Shannon starts with this kind of argument, all you have to do is site Jordan's 88-89 season. 32/8/8, almost 3 steals per game, lead the league in minutes, shot 54% from the floors (as a 2 guard!!!) and 85% from the line. Lebron has never had a season like this in his entire career.
Did he win anything?
so basically James Harden from the Houston era and did not win. Do you realize 85% from the line is ONLY ONE MORE FT MADE more per game than Bron? On 100, it makes a difference but if both were shooting about 7 or 8 per game....it's one FT made. would you really think you'd see Bron as a great FT shooter is nobody mentioned % and just said one more a game? that's how insignificant it is.
MJ would not average 40 per game like old fans think. when the hand check rules were removed , players didn't start to score way more. this is a fact. they just talk like they did. there were players who were better than MJ from long range even in his era yet ...MJ 's career 3% is very very close to what Giannis had last 2 years. an uber competitive guy like MJ tried to shoot 3s at a higher rate but he was a 32% guy.
he would have to take more shots than Harden because his 3 isn't as good and get just as many, if not more , free throws. that type of player is easy to shut down today. there's a reason we don't play the triangle anymore because it's been rendered useless but it worked vs the lame rules from the 90s.
The bulls got to the conference finals that year
@@joostwillem8596 You shouldn't even bring up winning if irons lost nearly double the amount of times hes won. "Winning" should never be uttered out of a Lebron fans mouth.
@@Jdot2tact cap
Shannon: “Man I wish LeBron would’ve played with a guy like Rodman or Shaq….”
Man’s just threw Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD and Westbrook under the bus 😂😂😂😂
I don’t think you understand that pippen and Rodman were not the offensive talents . They were all time defenders so mjs job was to score .
@@frederickephran8762 duh
I don’t understand why they hype up Rodman like that. Yes he was an amazing rebounder & hustle player. But they act like he was a superstar. Rodman was never even the best player on his champion teams, let alone any team he was on
Good point,Shannon act like LeBron didn't have stars.
He meant early on in his career, also, none of the players you mentioned never will come close to shaq
How many times did Jordan average 30+ when he was winning championships, Shannon? 5 times if you round it, 4 if you use decimals. Only one he didn't make it, is his last season in Chicago where he played with an injured shooting finger and played in the slowest paced season of the 90's where no one really shined in terms of scoring. He still averaged way over 30 in the Play Offs, though.
Actually Jordan has been the MVP, Finals MVP, scoring champion and Play Offs scoring champion (all way over 30 ppg) in 4 seasons. 1991, 1992, 1996 and 1998 (at age 35!). All other players in NBA history? 1 time! Shaq in 2000, which was a historic year for him, that noone else was able to reach... except it was the norm for Jordan. That's how much Jordan dominated the league.
preach it skip!
Get em skip. Dont buy into the narrative though. Jordan and Lebron both have dominated their time. Same way shaq has. So on..This show just makes villains and heros for money
He said when he was averaging 36 or 37 I think.
@@hakshustletv he said, it wasn't until his scoring went down to 28... Which is a lie.
@Doc Holliday i didn't say he didn't win. Just that he didn't average 30ppg. Read it again.
Mike had Rodman for 3 seasons! Not his entire career
3 championship years. They also had Horace Grant for the other three rings and Scottie for all 6
Oakley and grant....so whats your argument
@@d.a.b2374 He had two great rebounders even without Rodman and it allowed to MJ to focus just on scoring while LeBron has had to do everything for his team since day 1
That how he got the second 3 peat.
Rodman. One man recking crew on defence and rebounding. Incredible.
He shut down one of the most Dominant big men in NBA history to help send the Bulls along with Jordan to another title .
He should have been MVP of the finals
Bulls vs Super Sonics. Oh yes. M Jordan gets too much credit for those 6 rings.
MJ had superteams. The best of help.
LOL 😂.
@@zakariakhaled4339 M Jordan had superteams. He had the best of help.
Ron Harper was no slouch. Very good defender. Toni Tucoach was a smooth
scorer and good defender. The list goes on and on. Michael Jordan had really great help. That's why i got King James as the goat over Michael Jordan.
King James literally had to do more and he did . Michael Jordan never had face
a scorer like KD who also had the better team . GS. If he did , somebody please name him. Make sure he's dam near 7' feet tall. Lol.
Let's See when Jordan Won his first Scoring title they Said No guard has ever won a Championship but he Won 6
No guard? And here I thought every team has 2 starting guards. 🤷🏾♂️
Isiah? Magic?
@@vigneshakkina211 like i said when Michael Came into the NBA hadn't no Scoring Champion ever won the Chip you See that's all they had because Mj was Winning Scoring title's and hadn't Won the Chip yet!!
Stop letting the media fan boys make things up for lebron. And don’t let his tweets fool you.
50 point games
1. Wilt 118
2. Jordan 31
3. Kobe 25
7. Lebron/lillard 12
60 point games
1. Wilt 32
2. Kobe 6
3. Jordan 4
4. Harden 4
5. Baylor 3
6. Lillard 3
40 point games
1. Wilt 221
2. Jordan 173
3. Kobe 122
11. Lebron 66
They could have said this and ended the conversation
You Jordan fans say LeBron has better stats than Jordan because LeBron played more seasons, lol, it's not about how many games/seasons you play, jordan on average attempted 23 shots per game in the season, lebron 19.
@@dynamic6645 so you're saying if LeBron shot 5 more times he could do the same?
I still disagree because LeBron is a worse free throw shooter and worse at jump shots..
I guess if he drives to the basket 5 more times and not get fouled then sure. But that's a big if
Good point
Jordan was 9x All NBA Defense and 3x Steals Champion.
Jordan is the only player since 1973-74 (when steals and blocks were first recorded) to submit 200 steals and 100 blocks in two different seasons. He didn't just score Shannon damn. We can Google this information..... damn.
And Jordan retired twice. He left points off his career too....
Good point
Its easier to score nowadays. In Jordans era every team had 7 footers patrolling the paint and goons put in to give hard fouls.
Yeah cause there's no 7 footers in the league today
@@kiltz1161i think his point was big men stayed strictly in the paint. While usually big men are used to spread the floor these days so it opens up the paint more to drive
In today's time we have big men who can shoot
Dou you think they will slow down lebron? Im not even a LeBron fan but that guy is a freak of nature and super athletic and one of the best finisher
@@warrengaytero1682 Yes they would. Hes suer athletic not fuckign Thanos. He simply would have a harder time scoring. Bro gets most his points off riving and has a mediocre mid range game at best. This era has 7 footers shooting 30 foot bombs. He dosent have to worry about getting clobbered at the rim every single drive. In a more paint dominant NBA, LEbron, the man who score this points by driving INTO THE PAINT is gonna have a harder time. This why ppl hate bron fans. Most of y'all are children and can't think critically.
Oh boy. How’d I stumble upon an old clip from 10 years ago. Feeling nostalgic 🤦♂️
That 50PPG could’ve come in handy in them 6 finals losses 👀
Coulda helped Jordan make the playoffs or make it to the finals just as many times
Wish LeBron could face EDP Malone and Philippe Stockton instead of MVP prime Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry
@@bambam23406 and still has less finals wins. Work twice as much to still not have 6.
@@Terror832 EDP malone 🤣🤣
@@bambam23406 he made less times coz he played less years and still won more, hold this L
Lebron James total 3 pointers made: 1,979
Michael Jordan total 3 pointers made: 581
Jordan may take more shots but he doesnt shoot the 3 like this era does.
Jordan averaged over 30 points taking 2 pointers. That's why he has more of a shot selection.
You do realize lebron average alot of those points below the 3 point line he just started really shooting 3 in 2018 go look at his averages early on
@@billwill2693 you just helped that mans argument
@@shaneanthonyy No I'm saying lebron I'd better 2 point scorer than mike. MJ had the moves lebron did it at rim. This guy is making it sound like lebron needed 3s to score 30 and he didn't
@@billwill2693 Again MJ is also the better 2pt scorer compared to Lebron since MJ has 30k points scored in 2pts in 15 seasons and Lebron has 29K points scored in 2pts in 18 seasons smh!
@@Josh-sk5xd Lebron has not passed MJ in field goal attempts if Lebron shot the ball as much as mj did per season he would probably have scored 50000 points in his career it took Lebron 5 extra season to get close to mike in FG Attempts. Give Lebron his credit
In MJ's 88-89 season he averaged 32.5 pts/8 rebounds/8 assists. That looks like a lot more than just scoring Shannon.
Those stats are crazy but to be fair he played 41 minutes a night which is crazy high and also impressive how his body was able to withstand all those minutes
Misleading stats is wat they call it wen westbrook does it and loses
@@NBAKING149 what you're forgetting is that Michael Jordan was all-nba defense so he's not just wasting all his energy on offense and doing nothing on the other end like Westbrook
And they did a whole buncha losing. Ive seen bron do the same exact statline in 07 and lose in the finals. Nobody cares about nothing unless you win a ring. Bulls team got more complete. It allowed jordan to score and play defense his natural two best talents.
One season ? 😂 whoaaa Lebron does it every season any great can do that for one
"You a hater" 🤣🤣 Shannon cracks me up
Shannon bring up players like, Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Cartwright and Rodman like they were All-stars lol
Rodman was an all star and is a hall of famer lol. Kerr has one of the greatest 3pt% for a career of all time. They were all great role players.
@@stevenadkins6 “they were all great role players” says this while only bringing up the names you know. How bout Armstrong? Cartwright? They didn’t go to the hall of fame or have a high 3pt%
@@stevenadkins6 ROLE players ain't ALLSTAR..one time Rodman grabbed 40+ rebounds and didnt score a single basket in two games back to back ..lebron wouldve had him traded!
@@stevenadkins6 Rodman was never a superstar. He was never a star player in the league. He was never a top 20 player in the league. He was never the best player on his team, let alone any of his 5 champion rosters. Rodman was the greatest reb & hustle player. Stop making it seem like he was more than that.
Bro finally somebody said it if skip would do some research he would destroy Shannon on the debates
I dislike that they make MJ only offense when he was a great defender. He wasn’t just score score score.
Exactly lol
Exactly. His facilitating is a little underrated too. Not a lot of ppl avg 23 attempts per game AND 6 assists in their prime.
If you transplanted the 90s bulls into today's era and they practiced three point shooting, they would win 6 chips in a row with Jordan averaging 45 points a game.
I mean this is straight facts
Skip had no argument and was just arguing feelings. At this point he’s a cartoon character 🤣🤣🤣
All Shannon's argument were hypothetical....
What ifs🤣🤣🤣
Shannon 'feels' LBJ is better and speak about what lbj never did as if that is going to make his arguments factual!
@@enigmaticgenius7717 facts
Shannon’s research guy needs a promotion 1:00 - 1:17 that’s some very good stats
It's a conceiving stat, Lebron shoots the most from 0-3ft from the rim and makes ~65%.. excluding his shots from 0-3ft he shoots ~37%.. so Lebron isn't a great shooter and that's why his FG% is higher than MJ's, as anywhere on the court (excluding 0-3ft) MJ shoots ~50%
@@TheMissiIe that’s just not true at all Lebrons midrange shooting from 8-12ft gotta be around 50%
@@TheMissiIe ok… doesn’t take away it’s a great stat that required tons of research
Damn right, either way you mix it no matter how much he shoots he hits half. The closer the shots the higher the percentage of course, but along w that comes the extra fouls & free throws so either way it’s advantage him.
yes, he could avg 30+ but we can never tell if that will translate to more wins, more rings
Thats why he didn't
Exactly
It would result on more rings. He would have won 2011, and won the rest that he won.
@@lessthanaminutenbaclips7409 maybe 2011 but he was averaging 30 against the Spurs and Warriors every time he lost..
@@lessthanaminutenbaclips7409 he wasn't aggressive that series
Nothing harder then playing both sides.. n Mike was asked to win.. job well done mike
Can’t win without a team. He was asked to defend and score. 1-9 without the all stars he had. Everybody needs help, including him.
@@consequencescomsequences5343 mike was asked to win games n he did that.. not sure what your trying to say kiddo.. of course theres trials n errors.. of course he wasnt coming right into the nba n winning off rip with one of the worst teams in the league.. mike paid his dues n when the time came to win he won.. of course he had a team its basketball .... duh.. lmao
@@russwagner8805 he was asked to score and defend. That’s the premise of what they spoke about in the video above. That’s why you’re a “Fan” and not a “Player”. Mans really gave an Opinion when the actual analysts gave facts and you STILL chose your own answer. Comical
@@consequencescomsequences5343 jordan was asked to win n he did that .. that's not a opinion.. them the facts.. n they was talking about if bron actually tried to score what would he average .. that's speculation n opinions at its finest.. I wont be replying anymore cuz your not making sense.. I'm 32 n I've been playing ball my whole life .. born in ohio..
@The Progressive Brit that's not true stats n the eye test say different.. I know you see a bigger stronger guy n you assume he is better . But theres no way he is a better defender on ball or off.. mike would leave his guy just to get steals or blocks .. multiple steals leader n plentiful of first team defensive.. your wrong sir.. with all do respect..
Coulda woulda shoulda with Lebron and it's hilarious when Shannon brings up Bill Cartwright and Bill Wennington playing with Jordan haha
Good ole Bill 😂
Jordan (6'6) offensive rebounds career average : 1.6
LeBron (6'9) offensive rebounds career average: 1.2
Jordan never told teammates to leave him uncontested defensive rebounds to pad stats. he didn't care.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yes because Lebron tells everybody while playing Dont rebound the ball I’ll grab every rebound.
What exactly was this stat suppose to prove? Bron still averages more rebounds and assist because he had a bigger role. Mj was always just a scorer.
Explain the stat tho I don’t see what you were trying to prove.
@@theadwatcher5335 that's what he does to catch the ghost from Chicago.
@@LoftyXsWaGX34 these stats were supposed to prove that you're a bronsexual. thank you for participating in this social experiment.
@@bartphilips2222 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s pure facts that Lebron is a better rebounder and assister than Kobe and Jordan but it’s ok your not ready to accept that.
I don’t wanna hear Shannon Sharpe talk anything basketball related… Especially when it comes to Lebron James…. It’s like Skip talking Tom Brady or Jordan…
Name one thing he said today that was wrong? This was directed at Skip Bayless who gives Lebron no credit. So Skip won’t give Lebron credit for getting to the finals in 07 and dominating for a decade and have superior competition in the finals, but gives MJ all the credit even tho he also didn’t win his first 6 years in the league and was focused on scoring and didn’t want to change anything until Phil got there so they can share the ball and be an actual team.
Facts
Lebron shot less but has more points
How does that make sense when MJ's shooting percentage is almost the same as Bron's, not to mention Jordan's buckets whilst dunks and layups, are mostly middies. Most of Lebron's buckets are at the rim.
@@FrankWhite248 that's because of the era and how he's allowed to shoot more 3s, in fact Jordan shot a better 3pt percentage when he shot more threes and has stated that he doesn't work on the threes part of his because it detracts from his whole game, which I agree with considering how some players today ignore other skills just for three point shooting.
I'm not saying every player, e.g. Steph Curry "the revolutionizer" himself has plenty of other skills that he can utilize other than 3pt shooting, which is what makes him an even more dangerous 3pt shooter, but also scoring threat. He can move well off ball, he's fast and agile, he has a good drive game, a good floater with a high release point which is necessary in the paint with giants whilst Curry only stands at 6'3..etc.
Ofc whilst he did shoot better with more attempts, there's also the correlation that he got worse with age, which is true, after the line became longer he got worse again, but in his prime during the first three peat he was dangerous there and improved the deeper he went into the playoffs, he is one of the only players to shoot 40% + in 3 separate Finals series and sure he only shoot about 4 attempts during that time, but it shows what he's capable of. The thing that goes against Michael Jordan is that his 0.1-0.5 3pt attempt seasons get counted against him and count towards his percentage. If you only count the percentages from the years he attempted at least one three, he shot 35% for his career.
@@FrankWhite248 bro do you know what the average 3pt shooting percentage was back then and now ? 33% on less average attempts back then and 35% on more average attempts now.
Jordan had seasons higher than both of those numbers without the shortened line. Jordan wasn't a terrible 3 point shooter and you didn't prove me wrong because you just said I was wrong without backing up your answer with any statistics.
He had 3 above average seasons by those metrics without the shortened line, 2 with the shortened line, because that was basically a long middie to him, which he made at an above average rate.
Not to mention his 3pt% in the playoffs where he is straight up average for the era and he is above average for his Finals appearances with 37% even by today's standards.
Case in point, not a terrible 3 point shooter, but a terrible 3 point shooters by the standards he set for himself. If Jordan had a 40% 3 point career average, what are you gonna do against him ? Nothing.
And if he had gone 6 for 6 with 6 finals mvps he’d have done that. But do you LBJ
OMG stop it man....
He's not MJ...
There's a reason he doesn't shoot as much as Jordan he doesn't have that mentality like Mike did period...this is just another attempt to feed into the BS plzzzzzz stop it HE'S not MJ.
Mike hitting free throws with his eyes closed & Bron struggling with his open. Nuff said
Lol facts
Because jordan isn’t a team player
Jordan can’t hit 3s tho but mentality bro
@@ballermvtb4853
If you seen him play 3's wasn't his game but he cld have adjusted easily....but why when offensively he was unstoppable!
@@jacobfarley247
LoL...tell that to anyone that played with him that has multiple rings.
That's probably one of the most insane stats I've ever heard. That's over 2 straight seasons where he didn't shoot more than 30 times, and he still averages 27 points a game. That just goes to show how efficient he really is shooting the basketball and being able to affect the game in more ways than 1.
Salute!
Who lebron? That’s false he’s not shooting the ball better. He’s dunking more and shooting layups. Had his shooting resulted in winning you have a case. Lebron also has the 2nd most turnovers.
@@williebender1895 his shooting is sufficiently better than before, he’s hitting threes from the logo whenever he’s hot just watch the games
Bro... He shoots close to the basket...
@@iluvcakes19 in 2015-17 he shot on average 4 3’s a game and made 34% of them which isn’t horrible
You know Shannon has lost when he says Jordan had Bill Wennington lol
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The late great Bill Wennington😅
2:03 OUTTA BOUNDS!! SHANNON 😂
*Shannon continuing to prove Skip wrong*
*Skip* - “LeBrick, LeCoulda, LeShoulda, LeFirstRound” 😂
LeGone.
LeMissedtheplayoffs3x lmao
Terrible logic by Shannon. The more shots you take in a game usually means your efficiency starts to drop. Otherwise you can argue DeAndre Jordan could average 50 if he took >30 shots too (his career FG% is 67.4%).
He gave you the math. Lebron has games where he averaged as many shots as Jordan and his efficiency stayed the same. Are you okay man? What's up with your listening comprehension.
@@paradigmshift7541 oh so if lbj takes more shots he would take more of the shots he makes less of? And you know that how? Lbj has taken more shots and his efficiency was the same on average. Lowest is 49%
@@obiwanyutuben Bro it’s alot harder to have great efficiency taking volume shots outside the paint. This is a fact.
Not to take away from scorers who mainly score from inside but it’s not comparable to scorers who mainly shoot the ball.
Bro you gotta use common sense too lmao. And for Lebron that’s only like a 4-6 point jump, so his efficiency won’t significantly dip on a few more shots a game
Thanks you
Too bad MJ never teamed up with 2 other top 5 picks. Twice. Once from his own draft class.
So what would have happened if Jordan had dominated the ball like Lebron and run POINT Guard?
He'll average 32, 9 and 8.
Jordan averaged a little over 5 assists a game. That's pretty damn good considering he's always mentioned as the greatest scorer. Also 6 boards.
My thing with Jordan is he was just way above the talent level in his era. He didn’t have to battle against a single top 20 all time perimeter player (In their Prime). I would love to see him go against the more skilled and athletic guards that he opened the door for. No doubt he would still be a best but his competition was overrated af. Centers dominated the game back then not wings like today
@@felipe5955 I would agree with you but Jordan came back with the wiz as an old man who was out of the league and still dropped points on good defenders, think he scored 40+ on Ron arrest after Ron was already a dpoy if I’m not mistaken , and that’s when he’s 38-40
@@felipe5955 Gary Payton, penny, grant hill, Isaiah Thomas, magic Johnson also he faced Kobe, AI, Vince Carter, t-mac in their prime when he came back at 40 after 3 years off and averaged 23 with the wizards
@Brian Gore Your missing my point. Jordan is a generational talent. Just like Lebron, Kobe, Magic, Bird etc he would be great in any era. I’m just saying Jordan faced weaker competition for the most part. Magic had Larry to duel. Bron had the spurs dynasty, GSW and KD as his main rivals. Kobe had the spurs dynasty also. The biggest rival jordan had were the pistons who led by Isaiah Thomas.
Yeah they swept 3 year Kobe Lmao
Whenever Skip is on the defensive and clutching for straws you can see it in his demeanour and how he talks 🤣
U a psychologists?
@@rl1491 No you don't need to be one to study human behaviour and body language.
Facts. When skip has his back to the he sqirms like a worm on a hook. Man is always biting his lip and and always back tracking
"What if Lebron would have Shaq?" Didnt he play with Shaq lol?
Good point!
Was that Prime Shaq? Please educate yourself
Was that Prime Shaq? Please educate yourself
@@scottymccarty471 no, but it’s still a valid point to say he had shaq
the most adequate thing skip said "the objective of basketball is scoring"
If Lebron shot more he wouldn't have that much assist either.
True, something's gotta give.. That or his efficiency
Its a very phony argument innit ?
@@shaneanthonyy I agree with you. This debate is tired and full of it.
Check their usage rate. Lebron's highest usage rate in any season ranks only number 50 all-time while mj has 4 seasons in the top 50, westbrook and harden also has 4. Lebron could easily up his points and assist all together if only he ballhogged.
@@blackmarlin3166 if he is efficient he can, but you can't say that because Lebron had the all time in turnovers, if the defender know Lebron wouldn't pass they can easily guard him Lebron had no go to move to be an effecient scorer.
LeBron and Jordan could be in wheelchairs and Skip would use LeBrons wheelchair speed against his legacy.
Ong lebron can’t even post on Instagram without it going against his greatness
That’s cause you LBJ stans overhype Lebron to no end.
@@yomommalikethismeat9968 and mj fans don’t !!????
@@Lifeofalexp1 nah we dont lol. Bron stans are OD and MJ fans just laughing at yall man
@@shaneanthonyy Jesus get off mj’s jockstrap already
Did Shannon just say Lebron never had another guy like Charles Oakley?? Lmaooo
Would've, could've, should've... Difference is that 1 player looks back and says he did what he needed to win 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Shannon: I wish i could've seen Lebron with Shaq.
Lebron teammates: AD, Westbrook, Kyrie, K Love, Bosh, Wade
Technically LeBron did play with Shaq lmao
@Joseph Brown how many rings do you think Shaq won without Kobe dummie?
@Joseph Brown Yeah, and that player won with Shaq as his teammate and won finals MVP over shaq averaging 35 ppg in the finals 😂😂😂
@CUBAthaGOAT Shaq is Shaq
@Joseph Brown well If you did have a profile pic it would be easier sir
LeBron usually scores on layups, dunks, and putbacks (0-3 feet).
Jordan also scored mostly from this range🤦🏾♂️ he was just a better mid range shooter while lebron is a better finisher
🤓 bad eyes huh? LeBron shot way better from 3 than Kobe and Jordan check the status
@@paradigmshift7541 989 career blocks 2063 steals is cherry-picking lmao this the NBA not pick up basketball at the YMCA
and still passed Jordan with 1.2K fewer shots
Bruh Jordan literally scored most of his points from that same range
The fact that they say things that never gets fact check, for the bulls first 3peat mike average 30 all 3 seasons and in 96 he also averaged 30
The name of this show should be Undisputed with Skip, Shannon and Lebron
Michael Jordan is the Greatest ever and will remain the greatest Shannon and Lebron are pissing me off so disrespectful
Lol facts
Aw u getting mad😢
Kareem is better than mj
@@jacobfarley247 Kareem only flaw is that he has less finals mvps than MJ. Kareem only has 2 finals mvps while MJ has 6 finals mvps. And MJ has 5 mvps in regular season while Kareem has 6.
MJ has more individual accomplishments than Kareem (although Kareem leafs scoring in nba history MJ has highest scoring average in nba history).
People forget Jordan averaged a ridiculous triple double when asked to run point, completely destroying the league.
The man put up 32/8/8 with all time great defense and people who don’t know the sport will tell you he wasn’t getting teammates involved 😂
Jordan was one of, if not the greatest playmaker in NBA history. He was an unmatched perimeter threat, with very underrated IQ, ball handling, craftiness, and versatile passing with very good accuracy.
What he slightly lacks in pure passing, he more than made up for that with his unmatched ability to draw defenses and get great looks for his teammates in the half and open court, in combination with his all time great finishing ability.
Yea. People forget about him running the point. I also don't think LeBron is that much better of a passer than MJ like most people do. MJ made some of the craziest assists I've ever seen. Especially during that last 3 peat. His court vision was just as good as LeBron's is imo.
@@heywella I agree, but Jordan was such an amazing scorer (10 scoring titles 😂), that his overall game is heavily disrespected by the media and casual fans.
He was as good a defender at his position as anyone that ever played, he was as good a playmaker at his position as anyone that ever played, and imo the best scorer ever.
If he didn’t miss multiple seasons he would’ve been the all time leading scorer as well.
You’re smoking on rocks. Unmatched perimeter threat? You going off 2k MyTeam rating or sum😂😂 best playmaker ever? This one of the most biased takes I’ve ever heard😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The worst part is I bet you never watched MJ play live or on TV but you got all this to say 😂😂
@@chasedmelo1072 all i did was state facts 🤷🏽♂️
You don’t gotta like it, but the petty insults are silly, I won’t dignify that 😆
Jordan was as good as any defensive 2 guard in nba history, many would say he’s the best, which is very strongly backed by statistics.☑️
Jordan has the record for PPG and scoring titles, despite missing 3 years out of his prime where he likely picks up 3 more 😂 and breezes past Kareem on the all time list. ☑️
And he’s one of, if not the greatest playmaker in NBA history, despite the narrative the mainstream media will feed you ☑️
Again, you don’t have to like it, you can have your own opinion 🤷🏽♂️
Mike was a much better all around player than he’s given credit for. He had a stretch in 1990 when he was forced to play point guard because Pippen was out. He had 10 straight triple doubles while averaging over 30 points a game. It was a record until Westbrook broke it a few years ago
he had 10 straight triple doubles when his team went 13-11 with a cast that won 27 before drafting him
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at the same age without mo-wlliams lebron went 11-0 with help that won 18 without him the next year with a similar rotation and 19 without him over 14-games from 08-10
jordan is an all-around slashline packer. He's nowhere near Lebron as a playmaker or floor-general. Stop box-watching
Sorry Shannon you were right until you said mj was only a scorer he was a scorer he was a lockdown defender a great passer leading his team in assists
This dude just said “2015-2017 is becoming ancient history” I’m done with this whole show. Thanks skip
yet still he always brings up the 2017 finals for kd
Yet he still brings up Tebow's halftime speech from over a decade ago 😆
And he still brings up the 2011 and 2013 Finals😭
@@AllBackends “the chose one became the frozen one”
👏THANK YOU!!!!..Skip does that hypocritical ish whenever it benefits him .. Glad to know others caught that also!!!
I agree w Shannon. But if mj shot the same as a career in the era bron is he’d average more because of the freedom of movement in this era and more space because of the role player shooters
I hate when people do this argument because imagine lebron in an era with out zone? They litterally tried to make the nba easier for MJ
But Lebeon plays in era where every single team plays man for 95% of the game
@@chuckbarkley2755 they play man but switch alot they didn't do that in the 80s
Jordan averaged 40 in a time he got beat up by giants guarding the paint.
@@forzaacmilan36 Juve are clear
But mj took 3 less 3 pointers than LeBron per game , and shot just 3 more FG per game , that is simply not true what Shannon says
And is Shannon somehow implying that Lebron would have more rings if he had shot the ball more and would not have lost 6 times in the finals? If Lebron could have won more by shooting more, then he is a coward for not doing so and a coward can't be the GOAT.
Omg, Shannon’s still trying lol
And if MJ played in this era he would average 40
Old head
Not true lol
Facts
On 30+ shots
@@kennyhernandez06 I'm 20
If LeBron played defense the way MJ did, he'd have made NBA all defense team 9 times with at least one DPOY
Lol facts
but in the playoffs statistically he has defended better than jordan and could guard all 5 positions, who cares about regular season awards
He should’ve won dpoy in 2013
@@ng7214 no real old guy big types in today’s NBA . He should be able to guard all 5
If MJ was asked to handle the ball as much as LeBron he would have at least one ALOY. Two different players playing two different roles.
Skip and Shannon I love listening to yall debate this shid 🔥
It’s the way Kobe, MJ, and KD scores the ball that makes them better scores. They can give it to you any every way possible
Free throws is skip only arguement for everything 😂
Right! He couldve said a.lot more but clearly he got that tap on the shoulder to chill .. now all he does is complain about the free throws..
You 2 lebron buthole fans no damn well leflop can't shoot free throws.
Tell me where skip is lying at
@@ressestevenson7309 can u read bro? How did u come to the conclusion we are lebron fans dipsh!+?
Tru goats know they are intangibles like free throws can make champion or leave your team without a ring
Shannon just made another case for Jordan "half of them couldnt play today"
Referring to Jordan's teammates, exactly Shannon Jordan played with plumbers for most of his entire career.
That goes both ways, he was also playing largely against plumbers.
@@toddjoseph2412 the amount of ignorance in that post is utterly ridiculous smfh
@@shaunphillips3236 really? All I did was point out that Jordan had a lot of bum teammates.
6 points game 3 2011 Final, enough said.
Kinda funny LeBron over there making his own teams recruiting anyone he wants so he can win jumping team to team
LeGm
He’s jumping team to team ??
He's been playing 18 years, how many teams has he played for? And you call that jumping from team to team? You do realize KD has played for the same amount of teams in less time? You do realize James Harden has as well? You do realize LONZO BALL has done the same amount of teams?? Okay bruh
@@Mark73172 lonzo ball doesn’t hop teams, he gets traded. Only superstars like Lebron can “hop teams” because they control where they go. With that out the way Lebron has only played with The Heat, Cavs and Lakers. That really isn’t a lot of teams for 18 years
@@1nfamousjustice those hoops you jumping are not even worth a further response after this... you get the point and you hear the Mike (pun intended) drop.
Every debate is either about Lebron,the Cowboys or Brady. Starting to get old 🤦♂️
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN STOP WATCHING NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO VIEW THE SHOW!!!!!!
Ya this show and espn as a whole kinda sucks now
@@dntgshot1236thanks. I didnt lol
Yet you keep coming bck here like us. They must be doing some right
@@SNIPEonSIGHT u must know me.. I actually read the topic of the debate before watching . So yea I'll be back when they "get it right" and actually have a debate worth watching.
There’s been 8 times in modern NBA history where the scoring title winner also won the championship.
6 of those times it was Jordan
The game is a team sport you casual
@@dynamic6645 Thanks. Didnt know.
@@KleinpeterHank your comment clearly shows it lmao
@@dynamic6645 so if you’re coaching the best scorer ever you wouldn’t put him in position to attempt the most shots on the team ?
@King Dunbar Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy, lol
Skip: so the coach was telling lebron "u cannot shoot! 🤣
Shannon act's like "two way player ' is a real thing. Bon Bon melts every 4th Quarter like ice cream.
Bon bon😂
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Shannon still pronouncing Mozgov as “Mozgodov” 😂
Shannon loves bringing up the 80s, well what happened from 2003 to 2011? thats 8 years lebron didnt have a title. It took him almost a decade just to get one, while joining a super team and choking their first trip to the finals.
But people act like the 80s didnt happen for mj. He didnt join a superteam he form a superteam he and wade got bosh to come to the heat to play
@@kevionwhite8806 that's a lie. Everyone talks about the first 7 years before mj won a championship. People always say make fun he got swept by bird twice and the bad boys killed him and he couldn't win till they got "old"
@@phillwilliams2781 actually people that dont believe that mj is jesus in sneakers state that but any die hard old head fan that talk as if mj came in the league and just start winning that he single handedly drag those bulls teams to 2 3peats act like the 80s never happen
Jordan didn’t make it to the finals lebron was younger and had more on his shoulders and he took his team to the finals
You can't make it seem like Bron was some solo act his entire career when he played with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie, Love, AD, Howard, and now Westbrook.
If MJ wanted he could have averaged more rebounds and assists. MJ chose to shoot more and played in the triangle so that answers assists and he played in a more specialized NBA, a true 1-5, and that answers rebounds.
He wasn’t allergic to either or incapable.
Shannon doing all these mental gymnastics to make LBJ look better.
His abandonment of teams, his failures in the Finals and his embarrassing ways he gave up on his team can’t be covered by all your mental gymnastics Shannon.
If if if
@@johnnyblingg oh like all the If If If you Bronsexuals do with LeBron and all his failures and LaCk oF HeLp?
Imagine averaging all those rebounds/assists/points and still needing super teams and going 4-6. Embarrassing.
@@114D Imagine thinking whining and bitching is a valid argument. lol embarrassing.
Does Shannon not know that Jordan was averaging 30 during the season for some of those championship runs or is his love for Lebron crying his memory?
All of his champion runs he did. He avg 33 in the playoffs & finals for his career.
LeBron passed MJ with fewer shot attempts so I'm not sure why we're having a discussion.
@@TrollinOn22s because he took way more 3s than mj. By a large margin. That’s why.
@@MR.__G nah, it’s coz he played more seasons
@Michael Martin that’s still an pro for playing 4 more seasons
Shannon literally said how many titles did Jordan win when averaging 30.......... Well Shannon he won 4 of his 6 scoring 30 in the regular season and for the PLAYOFFS he averaged 30 or more for ALL SIX TITLES 😂🤣😂 also why does Shannon talk as if Jordan & Kobe ONLY score & did nothing else like they didn't rebound & assist at ALL TIME LEVELS for SGs PLUS 1st team all defense every night smh
Kobe and Jordan aren’t even in the top 5 for all time assist as a shooting for so I don’t know where you got your information from and yes Jordan could rebound better than most shooting guards all time but he played 300 to 400 more games than most shooting guards so he was going to average more
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@@theadwatcher5335 that's why AVERAGES are a BETTER judge than totals unless the compared players played the same amount of games but thats what career AVERAGES are for..... Names the SGs with better AVERAGES than Jordan & Kobe in rebounding & assist & that list will be very short cause off the top I can only think of Clyde Drexler & Wade with numbers in they ball park
@@Tonio5100 I’m not going to put every single person but AI James harden Reggie theus Clyde and wade are al above Jordan and Kobe in assist Kobe isn’t even top 10 in assist he’s like 13th or 14th
@@Tonio5100 if you wanna see all of them you can look them up yourself but them being all time greats in rebounding and assisting is false. Lebron is a all time great no matter the position when it comes to assisting 8th all time assisting and 3rd in points ever and 42nd in rebounds ever
Imagine what Kobe would’ve done with Wade and Bosh? 4 str8 rings! and so would Jordan!