And when her sister said ‘I feel like you have so much potential, it’s just hiding behind fat and greasy hair and glasses’ what the actual fuck my heart broke for her
Honestly! From what I've seen, she has no proper support system. She is so vulnarable to be preyed on by 'wellness' nuts like that guy she is working with now.
I feel like there is a lot of factors that went it into her mindset and everything that she went through :( and I feel like her family was a big part of it
His video was so triggering in general, but that one was really bad. How did he not research eating enough to realize that those are pro-ana "tips"? The man wrote a book on fitness. It feels a little irresponsible
Being someone who has struggled with her body image because of her parents' comments about weight and clothing choices I empathize with Alivia's struggles.
YES like it is REALITY how are people going to be mad that she's showing that part of her life? She's all about reliability and being transparent with her viewers.. some people will be able to sympathize with her.
her parents remind me how they used to tell me that i was over weight when a dietrien told them that my weight was normal for my age and that if i lost a few pounds i would be going under weight but my parents idea of a good body is a skinny one because my mothers youngest sister is so skinny that she is actually underweight for her age and bmi but there is no way i can change their mindset
Omg your comment made me cry because that's what happened in my life too. This makes me so sad & sometimes always burdens my life. It's sad when it's come from people (family) who bully us who are supposed to give us the power to change & make us happy but instead they are the ones who stress us out 😞😢
@@gaberiella2054 “maybe you should change into something that covers you a bit more, once you’ll loose the weight you’ll be able to wear anything you want”. This kind of comments stick with you your whole life, even when and if you do lose the weight. I have lost 40lbs in the past year and a half and sometimes I still think “yeah I’m not skinny enough for this shirt”. I’m with you 🌸
The comments from her parents are what made me so sad. I remember being her age and getting similar comments from my parents while going through a period of gaining some weight in college, and it was heartbreaking...even though I knew it came from a place of love, it still hurt.
I know right.. I had a huge criticism made by a family member which led me to lose 10 lbs (and luckily didn’t hurt my relationship with food)in the past year but my mental health was so hurt, I still cry when I think about it and still think I’m fat 😔 Long story short, even if the intentions were good, the words still hurt and can still affect you in the long run
@@annaduong8743 remember as long as you have confidence and beleive in yourself, that’s the real beauty and no one can say otherwise. I struggled with a restrictive “diet” over quarantine. I was weighing myself way tok much so Ik how you feel.
@is it better to speak or to die? the dad isn’t a phycologist or a therapist though. He just wants to see his daughter happy and healthy. He does not really know any better.
@is it better to speak or to die? Sometimes, and i can't say 100% sure bcs idk Alivia and her parents, but some people really don't know any better. And as Asians, a lot of our parents grew up under the whole "tough love" regime. I know my dad did. His parents worked really hard throughout their lives to support the family but never really gave much thought to the emotional aspect of their lives. I'm not saying it's ok, but I'm sure that Alivias dad meant well for her and i do hope he can learn how to address issues like this in a better way
Chewing gum, drinking water, and brushing your teeth to stop yourself from eating were literally things I used to do when my ED was at it's worst. Those tips were taken straight from a pro-ana forum somewhere stg🙄
The fact that Alivia was so concerned about her weight made her contact Steve, but I think a psychologist would have help to solve the problem from the root. I don’t think a personal trainer was the solution, because Steve sees health from another perspective, he focuses on the physical image instead of an actual well-being and a healthy mindset.
@Teodora Barbu I got the most compliments when I was severely underweight because of a health condition. Some people really thought it made me look *fit and healthy". This is insane.
She appears healthier and happier though. Her internal dilemma was focusing on the weight and once she reached her goal, now, she’s at ease. Don’t hate on her.
Yes, I don't think anything of what Steve said was wrong or not delicate enough. He seemed pretty ok considering what his job is. A therapist would definitely have been more appropriate to begin with and to change approach to food an mindset, and then if still needed going to a trainer would be an option. But first what is needed is to learn to love herself more for what her and her body's needs are, accept them and start from there.
@@paramountofpuns6913 no, I believe she means that Ed’s or disordered eating is a result of coping habits, poor education of food, the media, etc. I think that’s what she means anyways
it also bums me out that she considers all criticism as "haters" and all her fans tell her to "ignore the hate" when it's valid criticism. She's in an echo chamber at this point and a lot of her fans are super young. She's such a sweetheart but dang, the way she talks to herself is a bummer. And she's SO young... I just want to hug her and tell her she's pretty haha
It’s even worse she hosts group chats (I think on Discord) with her fans so they can “support” each other by sharing their diets and such. Really just another proana group but on a new platform and under the guise of aiming for “health”
Yh, I accidentally started off a "hate thread" (concerned viewer's) chain in one of her older vids, coz Iv been there (I'm recovered from bulimia, the exercise type; I purged purely through exercising). I know what it's like to just binge so much coz the over exercising makes u so hungry. I was trying to bring it to her attention but she completely is in denial. Its sad coz she's so talented at dance, flexibility and making videos, I relaly feel for her x
"You might look like a supermodel, but if you are tormented by constant and intrusive thoughts about body fat percentage and the glycemic index of a carrot, you are not living a healthy life in my books." 👍👏💯
Alivia’s video actually got me out of my “let’s starve myself so I can actually see results” plan. Because I saw myself in her, I saw her binging, her shame and her exasperation. I downloaded this guys plan and was basically forced to eat if I wanna be better. I realised I can’t reach my body weight if I’m following these already failed unhealthy habits.
i am a person who LOVES to do a full-body, killer workout. every muscle on fire, heart rate through the roof, struggling to breath, you get the point. HOWEVER i do this because i love it. it makes me feel amazing. i don't dread it. i know my limits and am sure to stop if i feel physically sick and i have learned to take rest days. hating every second of working out, eating, etc will never put you in a happy and healthy place with food and your body
Same , I love working out it makes me feel awesome about myself but the enjoyment is now like “you haven’t worked out , youre gonna gain weight and lose your muscles” but now i feel better but that happened for a while and I kinda counted calories for a while and still am but today I didn’t! So I’m really happy about that and Im tryna learn how to take a break
To people writing comments: whatever your opinion may be, I urge you all to remember that Alivia will probably read all of these comments! I know I would if I were her. Plus she didnt always have such a big audience - she is only getting used to broadcasting to millions of people. So please be respectful in your criticism - imagine you are saying it to her face. Alivia's message isn't perfect, but we dont need to tear her down to criticise her work x
@@dimitridesantos2666 Her criticism is different to people bullying or shaming in the comments. And her criticism isn’t directed at Alivia but her trainer at ATU and the misguided and ill-informed “nutrition” information he gives out and his views on weight loss/body image
She totally needs therapy and deserved better care from those who she looked to for help. I used to watch her back in 2018 and I really hoped she would eventually get a therapist and seek a personal nutritionist.
@@GlamsUnknown yea bc she "doesn't believe in it" which is problematic mindset. And especially not to say this if she has such a big fanbase and her fans are mostly girls ages 11-16
I understand but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
I used to watch Alivia religiously. Literally refreshing her page looking for new glow up diaries videos. In my opinion, I feel like it started out really really good. But I think I stopped watching after I realized a lot of what was going on in her videos was going on a downward spiral of constant restrictions. And I would also like to point out how a lot of her fans are blinded to how unhealthy her mindset is because she doesnt look like Eugenia Cooney. Because she isnt "skin and bones". Society has always had a huge problem with assuming people do not have harmful eating disorders/tendencies just because they arent making them lose weight. Endnote: Please love yourselves. Stop telling yourself you arent good enough just because you did not eat exactly what was on your meal planner. You are so so beautiful and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.
My position is same as yours ! I was sooooo addicted to her Videos then I started spotting some unhealthy tips or unhealthy mindset , idk if you remember but when Alivia's sister said : " you have so much potential, you're just hiding behind fat ans greasy hair " , and It BROKE my heart ! 💔 Take care of yourself , send love 🤍✨
@@ourhaven ugh yes that part where her sister said that to her truly made my heart break for her. Thank you so much, and please take care of yourself too!
Same for me! I really unjoyed following the diary s1 but now, it kind of makes me uncomfortable to watch her fighting her "weaknesses" with her mindset. I really hope that she'll finally heal but in a healthy way.
@@manon5212 I can seriously relate with the uncomfortable feeling while watching this season. I hate how she tears down her "season 1 self" when in reality her season 1 mindset was much better.
Let’s consider Steve’s position here: 1) he is a celebrity trainer. He trains celebrities mostly for superhero roles which makes his methods purely aesthetic (symmetry) on the account of nutritional and psychological insight which takes a toll on those he tains. 2) his career is based in Hollywood so he targets specific audience, he is providing a product for appearance, not longevity and health. He is clearly successful at what he’s doing but he may not be the best match for Alivia; she needed guidance and support on her relationship with food (which is commonly attributed to mental and psychological imbalance), he had a product for her appearance. It is imperative that we get to know our trainers/dietitians/therapists/mentors’ backgrounds!!!
This is honestly so great. I’m sure he is great at what he does but getting in shape for a superhero role is so different than what regular people do to just be healthier.
Yup and even the celebrities he trains only train with him for a short period of time for the role before reverting back to a more sustainable way of eating and exercising.
@@GlamsUnknown Yes, but he should have known that he is not the right fit for Alivia and should have told her to get help from other people, nutritionists and therapists for example. He is so much older than her and should have known that there is a possibility of her having deeper problems.
Exactly -- his work is not useless if your goal is to be shredded and camera-ready, that's why he puts an emphasis on lines, symmetry, and posture. However Alivia needs a very different approach to get a healthy relationship with food and her body. It's not his fault, imo, that more trendy LA youtubers have hired him when he's had years of working with people who require very strict, short term solutions for a body that they are literally getting paid by studios to obtain.
I really don't think she has a junk food addiction. I think she just likes junk food like any other teenage girl but she keeps restricting herself from it which leads to a binge and guilty cycle.
@@sarahmeharg5693 I don't think it's a junk food addiction tho. The cycle comes from that scarcity feeling and restriction. I think a true junk food addiction would be more like the people on my 600 lb life. This is all speculation tho, I'm not a professional and have no clue what I'm talking about so you could be right haha.
@@emmacooper4286 yh i get you...i am a compulsive eater when i know the food is just a walk to the fridge; however i dont think she actually restricted herself from food when she was binging i think it was impulse. but im not her so i can only take what ive personally seen but it is a bit of both i think
I'm always astonished when people ideolise the "military way" in everyday life. Military discipline is necessary for two things: keeping soldiers focused and keeping them in formation during combat. It is not healthy but necessary in combat where the strength of the group relies in the strength of the individual in that given moment. It is NOT a way of life. Why would you want to live your life like you are at war?
That's how my mom talks to me. I used to believe her for years, thankfully I knew shit was bad and I have to move out ASAP and chose a decent amount of distance between us so that we don't have to go through this conversation often. She still reminds me I look like "I've gained weight" and that "I'm fat" during every single video call though. Having a messed up family can really convince all sorts of untrue things where you're not even able to grasp what is realistic and what isn't. This is why I think talking with a psychology specialist could truly help her with her journey to accept herself as she is and that our family doesn't necessarily always say the kindest and healthiest things to us and we don't have to believe them.
Tough love is sometimes what's needed. I know if I was in such an unhealthy overeating cycle and sugar addiction I would want my family or friends to try and slap me in the face with a hard dose of reality to try and get me to change
I remember once my mom pointed out how I had been gaining weight and had a small tummy, it was just one comment and she didn't think about it much, but it threw me into such a bad mindset and caused me to spiral. I tried to st*rve myself days after, and that's when my unhealthy drive to lose weight started, which I'm still trying to recover from, and all from one small comment. parents, or anyone, needs to be really mindful when handling this topic in kids and teens.
Sooo many times growing up, my mom told me to "suck in that belly" and "you look 4 months pregnant." Having 2 daughters of my own, I could never imagine saying something like that to them.
Yeah I remember both my parents making comments about my food and weight. First I was “too skinny” then if I gained 5 lbs they’d comment on how much I’m eating or saying I’m starting to get a belly and I need to “control my eating”. Now I’m 32 and still struggle with food and body image and my parents now try to tell me I’m too thin. I mean I already know the cycle would just continue if I gained weight and I don’t know why they can’t just not focus on my weight at all.
@@laurapatterson6877 Ugh, my mom too. The funny thing is, the more she said stuff like that, the more i gained weight. She stopped after a while...I think she realized that I'm just gonna keep gaining. Well guess what? Now I'm losing it now that people stopped calling me fat. My dad has never commented on my weight. Every time I talk about a negative feeling I have about my size/weight/etc, my dad says "weight gain is natural. It happens as you grow older, and it happens when stressful things in life happens. You're still beautiful". I wish my mom said the same things to me. For her it's always "oh your tummy is getting big" "oh you look smaller now, make sure you keep going" "oh I remember the time you were very small".
i love how you empathized with her instead of villainizing her like a lot of people are quick to do. edit: i would like to include that she must be held accountable for promoting steve especially as he spreads misinformation that is not only false, but extremely triggering to some.
Villainizing her is not the way to go, but she needs to be held accountable as she is an adult who deliberately made the choice to promote this man without looking into the facts. I get that she trusted him but the blame should not be solely put onto him. She is also responsible.
@@elektrakomplexet yes, definitely!!! i wish she would recognize that the criticism isnt necessarily 'hate.' she still needs to acknowledge the things to better, especially as a lot of her info is extremely misleading and triggering.
can’t recommend her latest upload enough. not really in your dietician realm for commentary bc she doesn’t talk about her diet, but it’s really inspiring to see her in her self love era
I stopped watching her. The self derogatory talk is not helping anyone and she needs to see that. People around her have done it to her for so long that she's normalized it and made it a part of her routine. It's not her fault at all. This is what she's seen on the norm.
The way Steve emphasizes sleep for the sole purpose of “burning fat” makes me want to stay up all night. Like sleep is a joy, a rest from all the insane dos don’ts of the day and to give yourself a break. Sleep should never be framed as another form of cardio.
His job is to help you get fit. He’s not here for random opinions. It’s his job. He’s promoting healthy sleeping habits bc they’ve been known to help. People can’t win. Jesus
@@elliecee8114 but he is promoting them for wrong and problematic reasons.like,"eat an apple" is a true advice which can both mean "because it is nutritious and good for your health" and "because it spikes your insulin in a lower level so that you get less fat from it"(it was a wrong information about insulin in her video).yes,sleep and exercise and eat healthy foods because it is nice for you,not everything you do must be related to weight loss it is soooo problematic
@@itsrollintime I get what you're saying but again like Laura above said, his JOB is to help people become fitter, lose weight, gain muscle, etc. OF COURSE, he's going to relate his tips to those things. He's a personal trainer, that's what they do. If you're not interested in losing weight, great news, you don't have to listen to his advice.
@@Melmellow16 I agree with that,you are right.I am just concerned that her viewers are probably(as I was before) young girls who have weight issue and body image problems.I mean if Steve said his points in a separate video who targets grown up people,it would be okay.But I am concerned that it would and probably will worsen those young peoples' body image problems,as expected.He even talks about body symmetry,that's crazy!As for Alivia,she already has so much body image problems.And as for a trainer,half of his knowledge about nutrition from that video was wrong.He isn't a saint,he wants to make money from people with body image problems and spreads wrong information
Eh i just thought that he sounded concerned for her. He knows that she struggles very badly w/ food and every time Alivia ate something “bad” she would have a mental breakdown. Her sister’s comment was the only thing that truly bothered me but never the dads. Ofc, he could’ve approached the situation better
"Discomfort = growth" THIS GIRL HAS BECOME A LIVING ED DICTIONARY I have never seen so many red flags for eating disorder or disordered eating in one persons thoughts.
I mean ED recovery is also discomfort? I’m recovering right now and it’s very uncomfortable but it IS growth, for me personally during my ed restriction was what felt comfortable
But discomfort does equal growth....just like it does with stretching, working out, trying new foods. You’re coming out of your regular zone which is good.
I understand but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
Alivia films and posts because it’s her struggle, and she knows its not okay. She posts it because it’s her journey to try to get through that ‘not okayness’ if that makes sense.
She posts her journey to tell others they are not alone. Not to encourage it, most fans take her journey as inspiration that they can improve their lifestyle on their own
I really think Steve Zim needs to be held accountable for what he's teaching/doing he is a trainer not a nutrition specialist. His whole target audience is young women, he's worked with many young female YT personalities to spread this miss information through the platform to young impressionable women. Diet culture is harmful and he's targeting an audience that is easily influenced by misinformation.
It was through the Buzzfeed Superhero & Michelle Khare vids that I found him and bought his books. His "rules" are very restrictive and easy to obsess over. Not a good match
Yup! I remember Mykie working with him and then uploading a video saying something like "i know restricting food wouldn´t work for me" and then it basically showed her eating two same meals every day.
Listening to this guy ramble on about symmetry and lines made me cringe so hard. People are not symmetric for the most part and we really don't need yet another thing to stress about. And I'm not even gonna touch his very questionable advice on nutrition and fitness which seems completely useless (and even damaging) for a person with disordered eating. It really feels like he just wanted to use her platform for a giant ad.
15:35 "chewing gum, drinking water and brushing your teeth" the fact that a personal trainer recommends to do the same things my eating disorder tells me to do...
@@AbbeysKitchen So I was right to be beyond concerned that the registered dietitian from the HOSPITAL told me the same strategies? I am disabled and was fully bedbound at the time. They even gave me the brand of a mouthwash that makes everything taste gross for hours after using it. I was so upset with the entire experience.
My mother always used to say: 'are you sure you wanna eat that?' It always made me feel so judged and it definitely didn't give me the feeling that she meant well, even though she probably did.
Omg same. The worst was when I'd be practically starving all day and as soon as I got too hungry to bear it any longer, I'd finally eat something only to have my mom say "Oh, you're eating AGAIN?". Parents need to realize the huge impact these kinds of comments will have on their kids for the rest of their lives.
My father would give me a plate of food and then take it away when I was in the middle of eating, telling me to not eat too much. What's funny is that my sister would get the same amount with nothing like this happening or comments, and our BMI were similar, which is both being at absolute beginning of healthy scale lol.
My mom was always dedicated to working out and losing weight. I felt like she was always on a diet growing up and I know the exposure to that stuff affected me especially when she would start saying stuff like “you’re gaining weight” or “you’re at the age when you can start doing abdominals”. I’ve since spoken to her about it and tries but I know she doesn’t really get it.
I ate at odd hours because of my schedule. whenever I would eat ANYTHING at any time, my dad would say "you're eating AGAIN?" I'm in my 20s and fixed my relationship with food (yay therapy) but damn does it make me resent him and my mom more for doing that shit to me all the time growing up.
As someone who has recovered from anorexia and compulsive eating, I found that I only binge when I try to eliminate sugar. If I just let myself have sugar when I want it, I end up eating far less.
I think Steve is just really used to training celebrities who are training for a role, he’s absolutely great at that and he gets results but celebrities also live a different type of lifestyle than we do.
And who knows if those celebrities have good relationships with food. They may get the physical results and do well mentally, or how they think about food also suffers. We don't know.
Really? For me it’s so helpful! I think it just depends on the person and where they are mentally. I am lucky enough to have mental clarity, and since I have a high metabolism I don’t have difficulties with weight gain/loss. I enjoy watching productivity CZcams because they inspire me to work hard and better myself. I don’t follow them blindly tho. I know how much my body can take and when it’s time to take a break. I also enjoy the glow up side because (although I love my body) I believe growth is important too, whether it’s working out for myself, getting my nails done to feel more confident or doing a face mask to relax! I think some channels can be toxic, but overall these types of channels have helped me out a lot. :)
Aja I think you summed up the issue when you said "work hard and better myself". There's this toxic, capitalist message that unless you are being as productive as your body and mind can take without causing a breakdown then you aren't good enough. It's bullshit. Who decided the more productive you are the better you are? Sometimes the most productive thing you can do for yourself is nothing! You can exercise without a "glow up". Wearing a face mask to relax is neither productive or glow up content so you're kinda just twisting whatever you want in their to fit the narrative.
I used to tell myself the EXACT same things as her when I was in the throes of my ED. And I can assure you, I was very much not happy and I wasn’t growing - I was completely stagnant. The fact that I can have a morning like today when I randomly decide I want a chocolate croissant with my coffee and not think about it other than how much I enjoyed it, makes me wanna tear up a little bit...
The problem is that she doesn't think she has an ED, she saays she has/had "disordered eating" when she clearly had binge eating diroder (which is a very serious ED) and now she doesn't have a healthy relationship with good either...
@@selinachen7795 believe a dietitian. Personal trainers and even doctors only take a few nutrition classes. Dietitians have years of education, training and experience with matters like this
Believe In yourself. Try new things and see what works! Although trial and error may seem counterintuitive because it is touch and go, nobody has the same body and mental space as you. Workout and diet in relation to body change and weight loss will turn out different for everyone.
Same. There's a lot in this video that is questionable too (I watched both this one and the one she's reacting to.) I agree with another comment here....it's time to believe in ourselves...our own instincts and do our own trial and error for our bodies/minds/needs.
It is definitely concerning, but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@Snow White ??????? How is it not socially acceptable?????? It's literally everywhere I turn. ALL of my female friends have talked about the aesthetic goal of skinniness and their striving for it or stress over maintaining it. That is the norm, not the exception. We're just now getting to the point where people are realizing it isnt healthy to achieve skinny at all costs.
To me it was about changing your mindset and achieving your goals, she has been emphasizing on mental toughness and changing behaviors a lot in the past chapters so i don't see it as "being skinny" , what i got from it was that , the goal is to be healthier ...
@@AbbeysKitchen I don't think Steve is the real problem. He may have exacerbated an existing problem. She should have be prescribed to a mental health professional or at the least a dietician who specialising in disordered eating.
Her family made me so sad. They saw she was struggling and essentially bullied her into losing weight. It’s only natural she resorted to extremely restricted eating and over exercising ):
I dont know exactly if she is an asian. But if she is, is "normal" asian family to do that. I can tell you from personal experience your asian family is the worst support you can get if you want to lose weight or have eating disorder. They think if they "bully" you , you will get motivated.
@@panda-OneeChan My asian mom always say you need to lose weight or why you eat so much but all i eat was three meal and she said i need to bully you because i want a pretty daughter.but I'm only 13 years old right now
I can say that’s your typical asian family. I grew up with my family constantly picking out how thin I was before and how I gained weight during my early 20s. It doesn’t help me but through this kind of videos guided how I think about myself.
I hate her motto saying "If I work hard, then I'm happy" no sis, you're gonna be burned out and unfortunately I have a hunch she will spiral down when that happens. Happened to me when I done workouts that made me puke. Took me 5 years to get into healthy shape
I thought the EXACT same thing. Even sadder, the person talking is her Dad... when you watch her videos you can see she is constantly bombarded with hateful and harmful comments from her entire family (sister, mother, father). I can’t imagine what it must be like for her to have parents that are just ED personified.
Right?? Ive never seen her videos so I thought at first that the man's voice was supposed to be a personification of her ED voice, especially cause it was so whispery and harsh. But...it's her dad like wtf
@@linesmakeshapes in the video it obvious it was her dad. pls they said that it was 12 at midnight which is why we were whispering did we watch the same video i-
As someone who has been in CBT for the past 5 years.. it always was a red flag for me. I hope a youtuber who is a licensed therapist or eating disorder therapist reacts to her video
As someone recovering from ED, I watched one of her videos and it was literally the most triggering thing ever. I used to be like her, where exercising became toxic to me. I no longer go for runs because they remind me of a very bad mindset I once had.
The same goes for me with roller skating. I used to love it because it fueled me with joy, but after someone told me I lost weight after doing it for a whole summer and eating like I've always did, I've started to look up the calories consumed by roller skating. I'm recovering after 8 years of disordered eating and 5 years away from roller skating, but due to that comment I have intrusive thought about food and weight even though I just want to enjoy some fun while moving my body. I hope you can get through it with running, I think it all comes with patience.
@@ellepie2122 Same. But for me it was walking. It started innocently enough, a simple way to alleviate stress. But the moment I got a pedometer app, it went off the rails. First 10k, then 15, 20, 30, then 40k a day, with no rest, pushing and pushing myself for hours at a pace that was one gear away from running just to meet the goals. All of this on top of 4-6 days of 30-60minutes of cardio and strenght training. And the calorie restriction. Always the damn calorie restriction. I get this girl, mostly because I see so much of myself in her. She is so addicted to her disordered behavior that she doesn't see that a food group isn't a problem, her beliefs about it are. She doesn't realize that her binging is caused by her restriction and low opinion of herself. And her environment is definitely not helping.
Once I commented that I get this whole thing with “glow up” and “fitness aesthetic”, but maybe she should go to therapy, due to her untreated binge eating disorder and then she wrote a community post about how she practically don’t believe in therapy and she’s in a better place now. I know her videos are obviously pre-recorded, but it seems like she sees getting help from professionals as a “weak” think to do. Same when she once referred to her BED as a weakness. I’m not a professional, but I went to therapy and I can’t shake off the feeling that something might be wrong with her perception of both good physical and mental health. 😕
I agree. I understand she has disordered eating not an eating disoder, howeve she can still go to therapy and really should try it. Therapy isnt for everyone ig, it was an awful experience for me, but she needs help from somewhere and its a good place to stat
@@hollyborradaile2670 I mean, it depends on the therapist, but the main thing in therapy is that you have to find the answers to your problem by talking about them. That’s what my therapist said to me. And I really did, with her help, of course.
@@hollyborradaile2670 Disordered eating can be just as bad as an eating disorder though. Eating Disorders just have a very fixed criteria. So claiming that disordered eating is just bad food habits like she did is wrong.
She went to a therapist and he told her she doesn't have an eating disorder, she has disorded eating, i don't know how they are different but she explained and even though i recommend therapy to everyone , most of my stuff and mental health problems i solved by myself so if she thinks she doesn't need therapy i think is fine
@@csoniah4432 Except a therapist on an ED hotline can not diagnose anyone. In several instances therapists overall are not eligible to diagnose eating disorders. So no, she has never been to a professional about her eating disorder. She called a hot line once.
Seeing some of the rude comments regarding her content I have to say: It’s very easy to be harsh and judge Alivia but have you guys thought that it’s a complicated issue?? I honestly believe that she is capable of getting healthier on the other side of this. She has a lot of stuff she is struggling with like: limiting beliefs, insecurities coming from her upbringing and from comments that her family is saying to her, from media, her own coping mechanisms to deal with all of it. She seems not to be aware of it - like most of us weren’t before someone pointed it out to us. Therefore she’s trying to help herself the best way she knows how and it’s obviously not healthy and it’s obviously not working but she is trying. It’s not like she means to do harm to anyone. She struggles with self-sabotage, self-hate yet she is still trying but she just doesn’t see yet that this mental stuff is what is holding her back. I personally think that therapy would help her more than dieting. And then dieting would also be good for her. I honestly think that constructive feedback is valid here but it also takes having empathy to fully understand what is going on with her. - to write an *actual* empathetic, constructive comment. Some of these are just rude, judgmental and hateful. And saying that she is responsible for someone else’s way of eating is pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Complete lack of accountability for our own lives. What she is going through does look like an ED to me. And that is helped through therapy + diet together. She is struggling with physical sugar withdrawals, insulin spikes and lows - these are things that only a diet can fix. So like I said it’s complicated.What she is doing is a documenting of Her own journey. Not telling people how to live their lives. And If we make choices based upon someone’s CZcams video then that is our business and our choices are our own responsibility. If you don’t like her content and you watch it then who is there to blame for it? But at the same time I understand the concern that promoting this way of being as sth healthy is not a good influence. I get that. All in all I think that we are all witnesses of how she takes her first steps on her recovery which is sometimes messy. And with time while taking the helpful feedback she will be able to take healthy steps to improve her life. let’s support each other instead of tearing down one another :)
Plus she isn't perfect, she obviously is going to make mistakes and the fact she shows her mistakes on CZcams makes her BRAVE af. If I put my mistakes on social media, I don't know... I will be cancelled
this is all well and good and people should be empathetic, but to some extent alivia DOES tell people how to live their lives, or at least strongly encourages it. she consistently uses the second person to address her audience- "you need to do x" or "you have to x" is language she often uses that it also commonly used in advertising and motivational speeches to make an audience take action. and let's be clear- it ceases to be just about her when alivia has a large platform, a younger audience, and makes PROFIT from these videos and this advice.
i think he needs to be held more accountable for the promotion of his diet/exercise plan due to the fact that this info wouldn’t have been promoted to this extent if he hadn’t started working w alivia
Personal trainers are not trained in spotting eating disorders, nor is that in their scope of practice. I don’t even think they’re legally allowed to suggest someone has an eating disorder when they’re not trained to spot or diagnose ED. So no, he cannot and should not be held accountable for that. Personal trainers have to largely operate off of what their clients tell them, unfortunately. Not saying everything this guy does is right, but it was not his responsibility nor should he be telling people they do or don’t have ED.
So my kids are 13 and almost 6. I have taught my kids and still teaching them that there is no unhealthy food, there is just unhealthy quantitys of food.
Focus on what the quality of the food does for your body as oppose to what it will make your body look like. I always ask my daughter if she had her servings of fruit and veg as opposed to saying don’t eat this or that. Developing healthy habits is key.
@@shangreer9060 As parents we are the ones who brings the food in the house, so how can parents get maf at their kids eating unhealthy when thats all in the house, and the "clean plate" rule only causes over eating
@@AbbeysKitchen I teach and live intuitive eating. We listen to our bodys ques and stop eating when full even if there is still food on the plate, I really get my kids involved in the food i cook and let them give themselves they amount.
I’m sick of hearing “intermittent fasting.” You’re not going to magically gain 5lbs from eating at 8am instead of 2pm if you eat the same number of calories. It especially irks me when influencers promote eating in only a 5 hour window. Like no!
Yep, I fell into the habit of intermittent fasting for almost a year then was finally able to break the cycle, I was almost always hungry when I was intermittent fasting and I feel like I ate more when I was doing it, when I stopped I lost a tiny bit of weight and I'm not always eating and I don't crave high sugar food much anymore
I literally just talked to my sister about this! I told her what only matters is how many calories you have eaten for the day. It doesn’t make a difference if you ate 500 calories at 3pm instead of 9am. At the end of the day as long as you didn’t go over your limit you are good!
Sometimes its not about weight, its about health. Its all about hormones. Youll be surprised to know some people who look skinny but actually have type 2 diabetes. And as Dr. Fung said you can exercise but you cannot exercise your liver. And its so weird, after I started IF, I started to crave whole foods. Although I do have occasional binges esp. after the Christmas holiday and days before my period. Otherwise, I want nutritious meal. Anyway, try to research on hormones and fasting. It's like a daily maintaince for your body. Also, I have a cousin, he's thin but he has problems with his liver. so you never know when you need a cleaning/detox. I think I saw it in dr. fung video that you never know that you have a fatty liver disease unless its in a very bad state unless you do CAT scan. (I cannot remember which video.)
@@CL-gc6pe my body naturally detoxes. I eat throughout the day, no restrictions to meal times, so I never binge. Having a liquid diet for a day or 2 or eating at 2pm instead of 8am isn't going to "cleanse" your body. Maybe you binge because you restrict? It is a vicious cycle.
The phrase that my mom used to tell my sister and I was "once on the lips forever on the hips" whenever we ate. I have never really had a weight issue mostly because I ignored her. My sister on the other hand, developed an ED and still doesn't have a healthy relationship with food/ health. Its just so destructive to listen to others projections
Her family actions towards her were so triggering to me. The way they talk to her was so toxic in my opinion. Also why didn’t she reach out to a nutritionist? Or a therapist?
She said she doesn't believe in therapy. Only strong will power, discipline, pushing yourself even when you feel anxious, sad,... Her words, not mine, I find that very immature and toxic.
Personally i don’t even trust all nutritionists. My last 2 experiences one kept on pushing me to drink milk / dairy when I am lactose intolerant. The second one gave me the medical medium diet...
@@sabri31 That sounds majorly problematic. Pushing dairy when you are lactose intolerant - wut? Have you considered a Registered Dietitian, preferably one with a good track record? (eg: word of mouth recommendation)
Same like the things her mom dad and sister said triggered me sm bc that is NOT how you talk to someone struggling with eating habits and weight. As someone who has struggled with bed it was so hard to watch
What bothers me the most is that her audience is very young teenage girls, and there's no disclaimer at all about going to a doctor, or eating according to your age if you're growing
For sure. However, the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@@popnloxx2566 she didn’t diagnose her she said that she THINKS that she had depression based on her eating behavior. It’s an assumption based on analyzing her eating behavior.
@@elyazialhamili3179 ik and I get where you’re coming from but idk I just feel like you can’t make that assumption based on a couple videos :/ anyways that’s just my thoughts, I wasn’t try to be mean btw!!
Would you mind doing a video on Linda Sun’s “I Exercised EVERYDAY for 365 days and What I Eat” because her mindset was what felt to be completely opposite of Avilia’s and it was really profound, in my opinion.
@@jeannevltll6818 same. ive noticed that both girls have different mindsets. linda's has a healthier approach to fitness compared to alivia, in my opinion.
I'm a nutrition masters student, and one of my assignments this semester is to do a nutrition book review. I chose Steve Zim's book, and I'm currently making my way through it. Thank you for taking the time to make this video to address some of Steve's concerning claims!
So glad you’re covering this. I have a younger sister who finds alivia’s videos really inspiring, and I had a lot of trouble explaining to her why the mindset portrayed in the “glow up” series can become dangerous. Sending her this video :)
I have to say Alivia’s series have triggered me a lot and have put me in a self-hate mood ;(( and although that was not her intention, the setting is just very very very pro-ED
The same thing happened with me I didn't eat so much junk food but after watching the series I don't know why I felt compelled to eat that chocolate bar always. I thought watching her videos would help me as a teenage girl trying to have a healthy lifestyle but it didn't. But then I switched to some other youtubers and I am getting new insights about health and lifestyle.
@@cosmics1708 true and the fact that she isn't putting trigger warninns on it especially she is talking about food which lots of her viewers have different experiences with doesn't sit right with me. i watched her everytime before, but i had to unsub bc my ed got worse with her season 2 :(( hope she'll be really ok inside and outside cus she deserves it after all.
This stuff about symmetry ... theoretically I get where he’s coming from, but oh boy it’s not like we are taught to worry about weight, cellulite, stretch marks, wrinkles, body hair etc, let’s add perfect exact millimeter symmetry to this
I agree with you. I don’t think symmetry is important in any way, unless it’s for competitive reasons or just vanity. Bodies will naturally be unsymmetrical just from favoring certain sides of are bodies than other. This guy is trying to train her like she is a body builder. =___=
Symmetry is vital when you are playing an action hero on film. It’s crucial!! He trains for aesthetics for celebrities. Alivia was the wrong client for him. She’s an average joe. She had no business seeking his expertise or seeing any trainee. She needs a therapist. . I have trained with Steve. He’s amazing at his job.
@@rylm76 she does say alivia should find a new trainer not because he is necessarily wrong but because his advice is not for alivia specifically (and by extension regular youtube viewers)
I used to watch her gymnastic and dance tutorials when I was 12, then her channel switched to weight loss. I continued watching, and it gave me a very early unhealthy relationship with food. I think she she should have been a bit more cautious of her audience
Honestly, me too. It's unfortunate how impressionable our relationship with food is when we are young. I think a lot of my unhealthy relationship with food began with the influence of social media and other people's comments.
How though she literally is spreading awareness to binge eating and how to help stop binge eating and have a healthy relationship with food, ive had binge eating in the past and Alivia has really helped me and she does give warnings.
I know this is NOT directly related, but as a parent I sometimes struggle with my young children on how to address food in a healthy/neutral manner. Esp for different age groups. Would you do a video series on this? I would think the needs of a preschool group would be different than that of a teenage group... If she's already done this, let me know, other fans!
I definitely think this would be a great video or even a great mini-series. My mom was always so encouraging of me to try new foods because she didn't want me to grow up picky like she did. I never had problems eating vegetables or fruit, or really anything. As I got older and went through high school and even into college, she became more critical of what I ate or if I looked like I had gained weight. Even recently, as I've moved away she still comments on how I eat or if I mention having had alcohol, assuming I've gone down this rabbit hole of not eating salads as much as I use to or that I'm drinking too much and just not eating as "healthy" as I used to, when her assumptions couldn't be farther from the truth. A bit of a ramble because this has been on my mind recently, but all that to say I do think this is a subject that could use some addressing because I know comments like this are coming out of a place of love, but as Abbey mentions in the video, the comments can have the opposite effect on children and teens, and from personal experience, they can clearly leave a mark even when the comments are made in adulthood.
Not taking away from the video Abbey made but I follow a dietitian on Instagram called kids.eat.in.color that talks a lot about feeding kids and using language that is not putting food into good or bad groups so if you want you can check her out too
This is so great! I’ve recently learned about the French method of & attitude toward nutrition. Unlike the US, French children are taught from a young age how to balance: their plates, meals throughout the day, taking a little bit of everything. They have a very holistic approach where they believe in indulgence in moderation & no restriction. They also teach kids nutrient values & there’s no such thing as “kid food” like chicken nuggets. Instead, they just eat smaller portions of nutrient rich “adult food.” This also prevents them from being picky too. It’s such a refreshing approach to eating & food, and has helped me to get rid of the extreme American diet culture that ignores balance & nutrients.
I’ve only watched a couple episodes of Alivia’s glow up journey but I actually really liked it. It resonated with me because of how raw and honest she is about her journey. I am so used to seeing diet & exercise related videos that make a healthy lifestyle look so easy when in reality its not easy for me. I don’t think her videos were ever meant to replace health advice from an expert but instead show the very real struggles one goes through on their journey to becoming the best version of themselves. Her videos inspire me to keep pushing through the bad days.
Omg her series really triggered me. 😭😭😭 I want the best for her. Her body before was quite similar to mine, so seeing how mean she was to herself and how much weight she lost made me feel really badly about myself. I'm also worried because her relationship with her family seems really odd. I showed my boyfriend to make sure it wasnt just me and he mentioned it before I even pointed it out. ;-;
Same!!! I lost a LOT (100+ lbs) of weight to be here, and for the first time since losing the weight, I felt like I didn't lose enough or do enough. It was a terrible feeling.
I couldn't watch beyond season 1 back when she was posting it in 2018 because it totally stopped being motivating after some time (I have a whole load of issues and I decided to just unsub because I recognized that she wasn't making them better).
I know this might sound weird, but I feel like everyone need to at least educate themselves about bodies and how our metabolism/or nutrients work. I used to be like her and binge eat all the time and do long hours of workout but since I started learning more about bodies and health in general (I'malso a bio student), I don't do those things anymore and beside that I keep a journal with me and write down what I love about myself, this also helped me alot with the mental part.
@@itskenzye i found fitnessblender really helpful. they have a lot of meal plans and such on there, but its all 2000+ calories, and kelly herself doesn't work out for more than 30-45 mins like 4-5 times a week. that helped changed my philosophy and made me realise that restricting + tons of cardio wasn't the way forward (especially seeing her own journey).
Yes I did that too it's so important! I have a history of eating low calorie because I wanted to lose weight. I was depriving myself of so many good foods and I felt miserable. Once I upped my caloric intake and did smart workouts I drastically transformed my body in less than 2 months. I wasn't doing anything restrictive, I was just focusing on being healthy and figuring out what works for me.
thank u abbey i don’t get triggered easily but i got an eating disorder at 12 and i’m 18 and this triggered me so bad for the first time in years. thank you for making a video on this, her fans are so young.
@@coolpig104 always remind yourself it wasn’t your fault and that you were worth recovery, okay. your body loves you so much and you should love it too
@@boldanabrasevic3020 it was really hard to watch i had to stop after a while. it made me feel really guilty about myself but luckily i’ve been recovered for a couple years so it’s easier now. thank you though :)))
haven’t watched yet, but I’ve always had a serious problem with even the name of the series and the term “glow up”. you DO NOT need to “glow up” in attractiveness or activity level as it is shoved down our throats. it’s usually paired with mental growth or mental self care, but the focal point is almost ALWAYS focused on becoming more palatable to other people. it irks me SO much.
if you watched the first season it was more of your definition of glow up but it started turning into weight loss=pretty and happiness towards the end and most def in the second season (i've been watching her from her stretching videos)
But I don’t understand why that is a bad idea. She want that. Why is that so wrong. If I want to look good for other people is that wrong? I mean I disagree but I don’t think is so BAD. She want to lose weight so??
@@Diane522 i think it is consideted wrong because it hurt and damaged her in a very visible way. She had an awfully wrong mindset all these times. Although as Abby stated, it is not Alivia's fault.
@@beyza2536 yes you are right. It just sometimes I think Abby is with all the listen to your body mentality and when a person is struggling and want to change that is really bad. But yes I saw the video and it was sad but I feel she wanted to share all of her journey even the things people don’t share. And health is not an easy topic everyone has their ideas and opinions.
I think Alivia is just so very young and impressionable, it’s not her fault that she ended up listening to that dude with the crazy advice about symmetry. I feel for her
For sure. The ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
This made me realize how common eating disorders are. So many of us have been influenced to think that we should “eat to live” because to “live to eat” is evil and unhealthy.
@adore domi *exploiting. And yes if you are going to capitalize off of young viewers she has a responsibility to make sure her content is promoting growth and positivity, and a healthy mindset.
@adore domi I don’t think there are many 30 year olds here...most of these ppl r here bc they came from her channel including myself. Also, I’m younger than her lol. In the video she is 18. Now, she is 20 and editing them as an adult. Also it is capitalism bc she gets millions of views on each glow up video that she is posting.
As someone going through ED recovery right now...following a strict military style regimen and mentality is the exact opposite of what she needs, recovery is all about completely letting go and then building back up a healthy foundation with your body, food, and exercise, NOT becoming even more controlling.
That is what I thought... The way Steve was pushing her to obsessively track her measurements, to the closest millimetre, was really concerning. It would be enough to send anyone down the rabbit hole of measuring, tracking, obsessing over minute changes etc. Let alone someone with Alivia's history :(
when i was struggling w my ED, my parents were making me feel as if it was my fault, and that they thought that i was a stronger person, and that they never would imagine me succumbing to beauty standards and how they thought i was much more mature than that. i felt so horrible and guilty, and it only ended up making my anorexia worse. i cant imagine how Alivia was feeling when her dad was telling her to not eat, and then her mom telling her to stay the way she is.
this happened go me as well it’s literally one of the worst things you can say to someone struggling because they wouldn’t open up if they didn’t trust you especially w the stronger person thing because most of people with eds that i know are huge perfectionists and it makes them feel like they failed
I had to stop watching the glow up diaries because it was destructive for my own journey. I realized that her way of going about “glowing up” was toxic and was doing me more harm than good. This video totally explained the “why” for me.
In my opinion, she isn’t in any place to understand the affect of her videos, because even though she reached her goal, she’s still living in the mess of her own mind. People keep mentioning that she needs to go to therapy and I agree, because in her mind, she’s just showing you her journey and she thinks she’s on the other side of her disorder, but she’s not. I have a lot of sympathy for her. She reminds me a lot of a long-time friend that I had that seemed to struggled a lot with this kind of disordered eating. If my friend had lost weight, she would’ve thought she was “better” too, because that’s all she could focus on. In her mind, she was worthless unless she was skinny. Alivia seems to be convincing herself that it’s not all about weight, but I would be willing to bet it all and say that in the depth of her mind (if she was completely honest with herself), it is. That’s the issue. Her mind still isn’t right. Her body got “better”, but her mind didn’t. Her mind figured out how to beat itself up enough to be “happy” with skinny habits, so that Alivia could convince herself that she too was happy. I don’t know if that makes sense, but it’s how I feel. I really feel terrible for her. She does need help and I don’t think all this backlash is helping, because now she feels guilty about her journey, when her journey is so like so many others. She’s just in the middle of it, not the end, where she thinks she is.
The loudest voice in her head is telling her: 1. She is worthless unless she is skinny 2. Any amount of pain and discomfort is worth it, for the glow up The loudest voice *not* inside her head, aka her family, are basically telling her the same thing. Look at how her dad shamed her for wanting a microwave mug cake. Therapy is the only way she is going to climb out of this morass of self-hatred. And even then, it's going to be uphill.
I'm so glad professionals like you are FINALLY talking about her. I am not a fan but I came across two or three videos and immediately noticed how toxic her mindset is. I left her a comment suggesting therapy and stressing the fact that it would not mean she is weak or anything. I feel sorry for her because she doesn't even realise how harmful this kind of mindset is. I have been there and still struggle nowadays so I understand. She must not be blamed. She must be helped.
I think Alivia use to be a dancer and a cheerleader. Her behavior reminds me of what happens to children athletes whose weight yo-yo’s like boxers, wrestlers or athletes who due to high workout regimen stay really underweight until they stop, dancers and gymnast. It’s very difficult for a lot of young athletes after they stop competing to truly understand that their body won’t remain as it was when they were competing. Also kids who have to focus on their weight for competition tend to develop binge eating.
That’s something I’ve noticed with Facebook friends/Instagram followers as I’m now a few years out of college-a lot of the athletes, especially women who had kids, changed a lot. I can’t imagine dealing with that since I’ve really only put on like 10 pounds since school ended but was never super fit :/
I remember finding her videos when I was like 14 and I thought the advice she was giving was going to change my life and make me "glow up" or whatever. I made that stupid "glow up journal" and everything. I'm finally growing out of those patterns of thought and building a healthy relationship with my body. I'm so appalled now by the message she's spreading and I can't believe I ever thought that way. Also, thank you so much Abbey because you've really helped me with healing my relationship with food and intuitive eating
I watched a few of her episodes and what I mostly got out of it is ''I want to be thin''. She focuses so much on the looks, and just the way she talks about her body and food, I think she needs to heal the relationship with herself and food, because that weight loss is not going to make things right. I wish the best to her and to the people that watch her and blindly follow her advice.
For sure, but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
true. it's like she shoves a bandaid on the mental toll diet culture has on her by exercise and a physical trainer who doesn't specialize in what she needs
@@AbbeysKitchen agree with this sentiment, Abbey. So perhaps you should have chosen a different title for this video. It reads as if you are calling Alivia problematic instead of the misinformed advice she is getting. The clickbait-y title kind of undermines your empathizing with her imo
@@copperlemons literally reads "problematic weight loss plan" though? Not sure how that seems to be calling her problematic when it's stating the plan is?
@@aab24209 it actually reads “Dietician Reviews Alivia D’Andrea’s Glow Up Diaries & Problematic Weight Loss Plan (OMG, NO!!)” which puts Alivia as the subject noun of this title and makes it sound exactly like the problematic weight loss plan belongs to her. And the (OMG, NO!!) and THIS IS NOT OKAY in the thumbnail is seriously clickbait. Abbey usually has good things to say so my point is that phrasing her title like this is unnecessary and again, undermines the empathy abbey is otherwise trying to convey in the rest of the video.
I watched Steve train a different CZcamsr without a history of disordered eating and it was a success, so I can see how Steve's approach can suit some people, but Abbey rightly calls out that this method is not ideal or adjusted for someone like Alivia. Great video btw
Yes I think he is flawed because he should know better when it comes to training someone with an ED. But for someone like me who doesn't and never has had an ED I personally didn't see or feel any triggers for myself from what he said. I think these trainers need to be more vigilant when it comes to their client's needs.
I’m not an expert, but based on lived experience, I think Alivia will probably relapse into binge eating within the next year, because she may have lost the weight, but she did not heal her broken mindset. I wish the best for her though
That’s my thought as well. Binge eating is so much more than sugar addiction. She’s such an amazing and inspiring young woman. I hope she gets the healing she needs to truly support herself.
@@naleahjones3269 its difficult to keep control of your eating disorder alone. i don't know if she has gone to a psychologist yet, if she has i'm happy for her
You may look healthy and eat healthily, but if you have an unhealthy mind then that's is just as bad as being physically unhealthy. Alivia may have achieved her goal of "glowing up" physically but she hasn't mentally. I think it would be best for her to speak to a therapist/specialist. I hope she can see that Steve was wrong, we just want the best for her!
Her "tough mindset" is really toxic. I was watching her livestream where she said that she was scared of uploading her video because she was being extremely vulnerable. She was almost on the verge of tears and telling herself "I'm a tough person" by doing this she's literally invalidating her emotions. Edit: also I think that she's linking her happiness to how she looks and her good habits. Incase if she happens to have a cupcake or fall back on her habits she would feel terrible because her happiness is coming from her habits, not from her self.
dude if you go through a struggle and get through it, you are being a tough person!! thats not invalidating emotions thats just believing in yourself to try harder wtf
@@yaaaitsrewindtime5655 i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say. Yes i 💯 agree that if you get through a struggle your a tough person. I didn't like that instead of understanding her emotions, she's invalidating them by being a "tough person". I love her content and watch it regularly, but the original season 2 was problematic which she herself admits (you can check her latest video on her channel)
@@shreyas7803 i know she changed everything lol its just you are misunderstanding her words tbh. shes not invalidating her emotions shes coming to terms with it and saying she is stronger! you only invalidate your emotions f you say "no i shouldnt be thinking this way" or "i need to stop feeling this way"
The empathy here is just so, so lovely. It's everything to someone struggling. I've never heard of this girl but from just what you showed it appears to be heartbreaking to watch. Thank you for showing kindness, it can mean the world to someone. I hope Alivia gets the support she deserves. Actually she just needs some love. I hope her audience is as kind to her as you were.
When a parent criticise what his/her children is eating it’s a tiktoking bomb. It can evolve really in a eating disorder, and I can testimony for that, or even worse, it really set an hiding/embarrassment feeling when eating something.
YES! I was always slim, but my mom was about my size and a little taller. I had broad shoulders from swimming, which gave to appearance of her being slimmer, and the rest of myfamily felt the need to comment on it, despite the facts i was perfectly healthy, and actually probably had a lower body fat percentage. but hey, then i got ana, which they never found out about bc im skeaky af, and i managed to drag myself out. but sucks to be them bc now i have a healthy relationship with food and exercise again, im slimmer and more toned than before whilst stillbeing healthy and mum stopped running as much, although still a lot, and gained a little. havent had that comment for a while now.
when i first started watching her it kinda drove me into having an ED :/ i was so young and started planning out my meals, counting calories like she said. I had a "glow up journal" at 12 that made me obsessive, i started to not eat at all.
The same thing happened to me I am a little bit older now and finally know how bad that some of this stuff that is put out by “influencers” and I am glad I went through it young because I can hopefully help my friends so they never have to deal with an Ed
even ed twitter called her out on this and one of my friends actually talked to her via dms about the potentially triggering nature of her content and she brushed it off as "hate"
When my parents comment on my body like “omg you look so good” it makes me want to continue barely eating because my brain sees that as what I am doing (starving myself) is working and that I can get my dream body
the" if..then" rule is so problematic! u cannot let your happiness depend on a result. You have to find happiness in what is now and not what might be in the future!
I can see that she’s really hard on herself and the whole series isn’t about doing it for yourself. I felt like she jumped from one person to another of people pleasing. First it was her mom/family, then it was Steve Zim. Whenever she binged and had to go back to work with Steve she kept worrying about what he was going to think/say.
And when her sister said ‘I feel like you have so much potential, it’s just hiding behind fat and greasy hair and glasses’ what the actual fuck my heart broke for her
Honestly! From what I've seen, she has no proper support system. She is so vulnarable to be preyed on by 'wellness' nuts like that guy she is working with now.
It was definitely very upsetting
Aw that’s bad. 😞😞😞
I feel like there is a lot of factors that went it into her mindset and everything that she went through :( and I feel like her family was a big part of it
That's so cruel.
Chewing gum, drinking water, and brushing your teeth were pretty common "anorexia tips" on pro-ED forums I used to go on back in the day.
That's exactly what I've been thinking
I know 🙁
Yep, Proana said all of that actually
YES. thats what i was thinking. is he trying to kill people?!
His video was so triggering in general, but that one was really bad. How did he not research eating enough to realize that those are pro-ana "tips"? The man wrote a book on fitness. It feels a little irresponsible
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Yes!
Being someone who has struggled with her body image because of her parents' comments about weight and clothing choices I empathize with Alivia's struggles.
YES like it is REALITY how are people going to be mad that she's showing that part of her life? She's all about reliability and being transparent with her viewers.. some people will be able to sympathize with her.
her parents remind me how they used to tell me that i was over weight when a dietrien told them that my weight was normal for my age and that if i lost a few pounds i would be going under weight but my parents idea of a good body is a skinny one because my mothers youngest sister is so skinny that she is actually underweight for her age and bmi but there is no way i can change their mindset
Omg your comment made me cry because that's what happened in my life too. This makes me so sad & sometimes always burdens my life. It's sad when it's come from people (family) who bully us who are supposed to give us the power to change & make us happy but instead they are the ones who stress us out 😞😢
@@gaberiella2054 “maybe you should change into something that covers you a bit more, once you’ll loose the weight you’ll be able to wear anything you want”. This kind of comments stick with you your whole life, even when and if you do lose the weight. I have lost 40lbs in the past year and a half and sometimes I still think “yeah I’m not skinny enough for this shirt”. I’m with you 🌸
Same
The comments from her parents are what made me so sad. I remember being her age and getting similar comments from my parents while going through a period of gaining some weight in college, and it was heartbreaking...even though I knew it came from a place of love, it still hurt.
I know, it was very upsetting to watch
I know right.. I had a huge criticism made by a family member which led me to lose 10 lbs (and luckily didn’t hurt my relationship with food)in the past year but my mental health was so hurt, I still cry when I think about it and still think I’m fat 😔 Long story short, even if the intentions were good, the words still hurt and can still affect you in the long run
@@annaduong8743 remember as long as you have confidence and beleive in yourself, that’s the real beauty and no one can say otherwise. I struggled with a restrictive “diet” over quarantine. I was weighing myself way tok much so Ik how you feel.
@is it better to speak or to die? the dad isn’t a phycologist or a therapist though. He just wants to see his daughter happy and healthy. He does not really know any better.
@is it better to speak or to die? Sometimes, and i can't say 100% sure bcs idk Alivia and her parents, but some people really don't know any better. And as Asians, a lot of our parents grew up under the whole "tough love" regime. I know my dad did. His parents worked really hard throughout their lives to support the family but never really gave much thought to the emotional aspect of their lives. I'm not saying it's ok, but I'm sure that Alivias dad meant well for her and i do hope he can learn how to address issues like this in a better way
I love how this woman pronounces every word clear and accurate, it's easy to understand her
Thank you!
Off topic but, is that you in your profile picture? You are so beautiful, you should look into modeling!
@@ITSLIZZ111 Thank you😊 It's me
Yes! She enunciates!!! 😍
@@m5marijamilosev хел јеа
Chewing gum, drinking water, and brushing your teeth to stop yourself from eating were literally things I used to do when my ED was at it's worst. Those tips were taken straight from a pro-ana forum somewhere stg🙄
It is extremely concerning advice!
@@AbbeysKitchen omg wait hi Abby!! I love your content!!💕
omg yes!!
Tumblr pro ana accounts are back lol in human form
@@lilyteegan they never left
The fact that Alivia was so concerned about her weight made her contact Steve, but I think a psychologist would have help to solve the problem from the root. I don’t think a personal trainer was the solution, because Steve sees health from another perspective, he focuses on the physical image instead of an actual well-being and a healthy mindset.
@Teodora Barbu hope you're gonna recouver soon
She believes that seeing a therapist will only worsen her disordered eating.
@Teodora Barbu I got the most compliments when I was severely underweight because of a health condition. Some people really thought it made me look *fit and healthy". This is insane.
She appears healthier and happier though. Her internal dilemma was focusing on the weight and once she reached her goal, now, she’s at ease. Don’t hate on her.
Yes, I don't think anything of what Steve said was wrong or not delicate enough. He seemed pretty ok considering what his job is. A therapist would definitely have been more appropriate to begin with and to change approach to food an mindset, and then if still needed going to a trainer would be an option. But first what is needed is to learn to love herself more for what her and her body's needs are, accept them and start from there.
"Your food issues are not your fault."
I needed this today. You said that and I cried. Thank you.
I'm so glad that was helpful ❤️
So did I. Sending you lots of love.
yes!! such an impactful thing to hear!
I didn't know what she meant by that. Is it someone else's?
@@paramountofpuns6913 no, I believe she means that Ed’s or disordered eating is a result of coping habits, poor education of food, the media, etc. I think that’s what she means anyways
it also bums me out that she considers all criticism as "haters" and all her fans tell her to "ignore the hate" when it's valid criticism. She's in an echo chamber at this point and a lot of her fans are super young. She's such a sweetheart but dang, the way she talks to herself is a bummer. And she's SO young... I just want to hug her and tell her she's pretty haha
I know, it is definitely upsetting
It’s even worse she hosts group chats (I think on Discord) with her fans so they can “support” each other by sharing their diets and such. Really just another proana group but on a new platform and under the guise of aiming for “health”
Echo chamber is the worst part
Yh, I accidentally started off a "hate thread" (concerned viewer's) chain in one of her older vids, coz Iv been there (I'm recovered from bulimia, the exercise type; I purged purely through exercising). I know what it's like to just binge so much coz the over exercising makes u so hungry. I was trying to bring it to her attention but she completely is in denial. Its sad coz she's so talented at dance, flexibility and making videos, I relaly feel for her x
No more an echo chamber than the HAES crowd
"You might look like a supermodel, but if you are tormented by constant and intrusive thoughts about body fat percentage and the glycemic index of a carrot, you are not living a healthy life in my books." 👍👏💯
Yup! ❤️
I wanna like it twice
17:14 if anyone needs this
I'm going to take a screenshot of this.
People are used to think about health like something only attached to what we see of our bodies, mental health is central and underestimated
Alivia’s video actually got me out of my “let’s starve myself so I can actually see results” plan. Because I saw myself in her, I saw her binging, her shame and her exasperation. I downloaded this guys plan and was basically forced to eat if I wanna be better. I realised I can’t reach my body weight if I’m following these already failed unhealthy habits.
Same ❤ in 2023
@@haleymeriwether1159 after seeing your reply after a year I am unfortunately back on my bullshit and nothing in my life has changed 👍🏽
i am a person who LOVES to do a full-body, killer workout. every muscle on fire, heart rate through the roof, struggling to breath, you get the point. HOWEVER i do this because i love it. it makes me feel amazing. i don't dread it. i know my limits and am sure to stop if i feel physically sick and i have learned to take rest days. hating every second of working out, eating, etc will never put you in a happy and healthy place with food and your body
you reminded me of linda sun so much 😭
@@jennie-qh4uw this has got to be the best compliment i have ever received. even if it wasn't meant to be one i still will take it as such
It’s the best feeling ever just enjoying workouts!
@@sydneyross8095 literally it is
Same , I love working out it makes me feel awesome about myself but the enjoyment is now like “you haven’t worked out , youre gonna gain weight and lose your muscles” but now i feel better but that happened for a while and I kinda counted calories for a while and still am but today I didn’t! So I’m really happy about that and Im tryna learn how to take a break
To people writing comments: whatever your opinion may be, I urge you all to remember that Alivia will probably read all of these comments! I know I would if I were her. Plus she didnt always have such a big audience - she is only getting used to broadcasting to millions of people. So please be respectful in your criticism - imagine you are saying it to her face. Alivia's message isn't perfect, but we dont need to tear her down to criticise her work x
For sure, thank you for sharing this
It’s even worse when you look at some of the things her mother said to her. As a mother of an 18 yr old, I cried. 😬
This comment is important!
@@AbbeysKitchen But isn't this video a criticism of her diet plan. Kind of a contradiction no?
@@dimitridesantos2666 Her criticism is different to people bullying or shaming in the comments. And her criticism isn’t directed at Alivia but her trainer at ATU and the misguided and ill-informed “nutrition” information he gives out and his views on weight loss/body image
She totally needs therapy and deserved better care from those who she looked to for help. I used to watch her back in 2018 and I really hoped she would eventually get a therapist and seek a personal nutritionist.
yeah and then lately she made a statement, she doesn't want to seek therapy.
@@GlamsUnknown yea bc she "doesn't believe in it" which is problematic mindset. And especially not to say this if she has such a big fanbase and her fans are mostly girls ages 11-16
@@lenkasustackova4560 It's everyone's choice ofc, but giving it a try at least may be helpful.
I understand but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@@AbbeysKitchen YES !!! Exactly!
I used to watch Alivia religiously. Literally refreshing her page looking for new glow up diaries videos. In my opinion, I feel like it started out really really good. But I think I stopped watching after I realized a lot of what was going on in her videos was going on a downward spiral of constant restrictions. And I would also like to point out how a lot of her fans are blinded to how unhealthy her mindset is because she doesnt look like Eugenia Cooney. Because she isnt "skin and bones". Society has always had a huge problem with assuming people do not have harmful eating disorders/tendencies just because they arent making them lose weight. Endnote: Please love yourselves. Stop telling yourself you arent good enough just because you did not eat exactly what was on your meal planner. You are so so beautiful and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.
My position is same as yours ! I was sooooo addicted to her Videos then I started spotting some unhealthy tips or unhealthy mindset , idk if you remember but when Alivia's sister said : " you have so much potential, you're just hiding behind fat ans greasy hair " , and It BROKE my heart ! 💔
Take care of yourself , send love 🤍✨
@@ourhaven ugh yes that part where her sister said that to her truly made my heart break for her. Thank you so much, and please take care of yourself too!
Same for me! I really unjoyed following the diary s1 but now, it kind of makes me uncomfortable to watch her fighting her "weaknesses" with her mindset. I really hope that she'll finally heal but in a healthy way.
@@manon5212 I can seriously relate with the uncomfortable feeling while watching this season. I hate how she tears down her "season 1 self" when in reality her season 1 mindset was much better.
Right!
Let’s consider Steve’s position here: 1) he is a celebrity trainer. He trains celebrities mostly for superhero roles which makes his methods purely aesthetic (symmetry) on the account of nutritional and psychological insight which takes a toll on those he tains. 2) his career is based in Hollywood so he targets specific audience, he is providing a product for appearance, not longevity and health. He is clearly successful at what he’s doing but he may not be the best match for Alivia; she needed guidance and support on her relationship with food (which is commonly attributed to mental and psychological imbalance), he had a product for her appearance.
It is imperative that we get to know our trainers/dietitians/therapists/mentors’ backgrounds!!!
This is honestly so great. I’m sure he is great at what he does but getting in shape for a superhero role is so different than what regular people do to just be healthier.
Thank you🙏🏽🙏🏽 somebody had to say it! It's not necessarily him doing his job wrong, it's just that him and Alivia make no match at all!
Yup and even the celebrities he trains only train with him for a short period of time for the role before reverting back to a more sustainable way of eating and exercising.
@@GlamsUnknown Yes, but he should have known that he is not the right fit for Alivia and should have told her to get help from other people, nutritionists and therapists for example. He is so much older than her and should have known that there is a possibility of her having deeper problems.
Exactly -- his work is not useless if your goal is to be shredded and camera-ready, that's why he puts an emphasis on lines, symmetry, and posture. However Alivia needs a very different approach to get a healthy relationship with food and her body. It's not his fault, imo, that more trendy LA youtubers have hired him when he's had years of working with people who require very strict, short term solutions for a body that they are literally getting paid by studios to obtain.
The way that I RAN in here lol.
I hope you find it helpful!
And I'm like, "Ooh, finally!" Lol
SAME
SAME
@@kayep2616 SAMEEE
I really don't think she has a junk food addiction. I think she just likes junk food like any other teenage girl but she keeps restricting herself from it which leads to a binge and guilty cycle.
Possibly. Thanks for sharing your insights
so a junk food addiction then? seeing as it leads into a cycle lmao
@@sarahmeharg5693 I don't think it's a junk food addiction tho. The cycle comes from that scarcity feeling and restriction. I think a true junk food addiction would be more like the people on my 600 lb life. This is all speculation tho, I'm not a professional and have no clue what I'm talking about so you could be right haha.
@@emmacooper4286 yh i get you...i am a compulsive eater when i know the food is just a walk to the fridge; however i dont think she actually restricted herself from food when she was binging i think it was impulse. but im not her so i can only take what ive personally seen but it is a bit of both i think
@@emmacooper4286 but with me i personally only eat junk food when its the only option so its a good thing i have an obsession for broccoli lmao
I'm always astonished when people ideolise the "military way" in everyday life. Military discipline is necessary for two things: keeping soldiers focused and keeping them in formation during combat. It is not healthy but necessary in combat where the strength of the group relies in the strength of the individual in that given moment. It is NOT a way of life. Why would you want to live your life like you are at war?
Exactly! I think we all have a problem with accepting that making your life easier isn't bad!
Because some of us ARE constantly at war with ourselves already.
TW: When I had an ED I wanted to live the military lifestyle just so I had an excuse to restrict and overexercise.
@@cottage2945 I just realized...I tried doing the same thing :( and that's because of alivia..I took "motivation" from that and got obsessed
Like david goggins?
Hearing her dad talk to her that way made my heart hurt so badly for her.
It was definitely very upsetting
That's how my mom talks to me. I used to believe her for years, thankfully I knew shit was bad and I have to move out ASAP and chose a decent amount of distance between us so that we don't have to go through this conversation often. She still reminds me I look like "I've gained weight" and that "I'm fat" during every single video call though. Having a messed up family can really convince all sorts of untrue things where you're not even able to grasp what is realistic and what isn't. This is why I think talking with a psychology specialist could truly help her with her journey to accept herself as she is and that our family doesn't necessarily always say the kindest and healthiest things to us and we don't have to believe them.
Tough love is sometimes what's needed. I know if I was in such an unhealthy overeating cycle and sugar addiction I would want my family or friends to try and slap me in the face with a hard dose of reality to try and get me to change
@is it better to speak or to die? uhhhh it worked for her look at her now
@is it better to speak or to die? ummmmmm, I'm sorry but I beg to differ. She seems like a whole and healed person in body, mind and spirit now
I remember once my mom pointed out how I had been gaining weight and had a small tummy, it was just one comment and she didn't think about it much, but it threw me into such a bad mindset and caused me to spiral. I tried to st*rve myself days after, and that's when my unhealthy drive to lose weight started, which I'm still trying to recover from, and all from one small comment. parents, or anyone, needs to be really mindful when handling this topic in kids and teens.
Oh no, I'm so sorry for your experience. I definitely agree!
Sooo many times growing up, my mom told me to "suck in that belly" and "you look 4 months pregnant."
Having 2 daughters of my own, I could never imagine saying something like that to them.
Yeah I remember both my parents making comments about my food and weight. First I was “too skinny” then if I gained 5 lbs they’d comment on how much I’m eating or saying I’m starting to get a belly and I need to “control my eating”. Now I’m 32 and still struggle with food and body image and my parents now try to tell me I’m too thin. I mean I already know the cycle would just continue if I gained weight and I don’t know why they can’t just not focus on my weight at all.
I remember being so sick one week that I was barely eating and I lost 10lbs and my mom praised me for losing weight.
@@laurapatterson6877 Ugh, my mom too. The funny thing is, the more she said stuff like that, the more i gained weight. She stopped after a while...I think she realized that I'm just gonna keep gaining. Well guess what? Now I'm losing it now that people stopped calling me fat.
My dad has never commented on my weight. Every time I talk about a negative feeling I have about my size/weight/etc, my dad says "weight gain is natural. It happens as you grow older, and it happens when stressful things in life happens. You're still beautiful". I wish my mom said the same things to me. For her it's always "oh your tummy is getting big" "oh you look smaller now, make sure you keep going" "oh I remember the time you were very small".
i love how you empathized with her instead of villainizing her like a lot of people are quick to do.
edit: i would like to include that she must be held accountable for promoting steve especially as he spreads misinformation that is not only false, but extremely triggering to some.
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Villainizing her is not the way to go, but she needs to be held accountable as she is an adult who deliberately made the choice to promote this man without looking into the facts. I get that she trusted him but the blame should not be solely put onto him. She is also responsible.
@@elektrakomplexet empathy is the way 🌻
@@yellowbags You can hold someone accountable and still emphasise with them.
@@elektrakomplexet yes, definitely!!! i wish she would recognize that the criticism isnt necessarily 'hate.' she still needs to acknowledge the things to better, especially as a lot of her info is extremely misleading and triggering.
can’t recommend her latest upload enough. not really in your dietician realm for commentary bc she doesn’t talk about her diet, but it’s really inspiring to see her in her self love era
I feel like the “Glow up” trend in general should’ve died back in 2020
Agreed. The word has been cheapened so much it's sad.
Agreed!
it started my anorexia :( i really wish i never saw those tik toks.
OMG YES
#shituglypeoplesay
Gonna skip this one as I'm in ED recovery but leaving a comment for the algorithm! I appreciate your content!
good luck for your recovery! 💖
Wishing you the best of luck!
Thank you! ❤️
wishing you the best of luck queen!
i wish you luck 🍀✨🥠
I stopped watching her. The self derogatory talk is not helping anyone and she needs to see that. People around her have done it to her for so long that she's normalized it and made it a part of her routine.
It's not her fault at all. This is what she's seen on the norm.
For sure. The ATU program is the real problem here
The problem with her is that she doesn't take critizism.
@@daddylingo9295 right, she mostly take critisism as hate and be like "ignore the hate" when it may be constructive critisism. It's really sad
same. i used to be so inspired by her a year ago in her first season but now a lot of things are off so i stopped watching as well.
@@daddylingo9295 exactly she didn't answer one 'negative' comment on season 2. She can't take constrictive criticism and chooses to ignore it
The way Steve emphasizes sleep for the sole purpose of “burning fat” makes me want to stay up all night. Like sleep is a joy, a rest from all the insane dos don’ts of the day and to give yourself a break. Sleep should never be framed as another form of cardio.
His job is to help you get fit. He’s not here for random opinions. It’s his job. He’s promoting healthy sleeping habits bc they’ve been known to help. People can’t win. Jesus
@@elliecee8114 but he is promoting them for wrong and problematic reasons.like,"eat an apple" is a true advice which can both mean "because it is nutritious and good for your health" and "because it spikes your insulin in a lower level so that you get less fat from it"(it was a wrong information about insulin in her video).yes,sleep and exercise and eat healthy foods because it is nice for you,not everything you do must be related to weight loss it is soooo problematic
@@itsrollintime I get what you're saying but again like Laura above said, his JOB is to help people become fitter, lose weight, gain muscle, etc. OF COURSE, he's going to relate his tips to those things. He's a personal trainer, that's what they do. If you're not interested in losing weight, great news, you don't have to listen to his advice.
@@Melmellow16 I agree with that,you are right.I am just concerned that her viewers are probably(as I was before) young girls who have weight issue and body image problems.I mean if Steve said his points in a separate video who targets grown up people,it would be okay.But I am concerned that it would and probably will worsen those young peoples' body image problems,as expected.He even talks about body symmetry,that's crazy!As for Alivia,she already has so much body image problems.And as for a trainer,half of his knowledge about nutrition from that video was wrong.He isn't a saint,he wants to make money from people with body image problems and spreads wrong information
@@Melmellow16 dom dom karaoke
That "you are NOT EATING RIGHT NOW." Clip with the mug cake made me EXTREMELY uncomfortable
same
Same. Not good.
When I first watched that clip I thought it was a ghosts voice 💀
@@nabila6401 LMAO U MUST BE SO SCARED 💀😭
Eh i just thought that he sounded concerned for her. He knows that she struggles very badly w/ food and every time Alivia ate something “bad” she would have a mental breakdown. Her sister’s comment was the only thing that truly bothered me but never the dads. Ofc, he could’ve approached the situation better
"Discomfort = growth"
THIS GIRL HAS BECOME A LIVING ED DICTIONARY
I have never seen so many red flags for eating disorder or disordered eating in one persons thoughts.
Discomfort never helped me grow, it made me miserable. It reminds me of my ED mindset.
I mean ED recovery is also discomfort? I’m recovering right now and it’s very uncomfortable but it IS growth, for me personally during my ed restriction was what felt comfortable
tbh my ed is my comfort zone so going to therapy is out of that zone and therefore, recovery is uncomfy but ultimately worth the pain
Discomfort definitely brings growth in a lot of instances, not just food.
But discomfort does equal growth....just like it does with stretching, working out, trying new foods. You’re coming out of your regular zone which is good.
you don’t need to “glow up” physically but mentally 🌈💗💓💞💕💖💘💝
I understand but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@@AbbeysKitchen 100% agree Abbey 💕
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Damn, that hit me so hard 🤧
Haha Linda Sun quote?
i seriously needed someone to talk about alivia because she has tons of fans that believe 100% what she does is okay and it's not
Alivia films and posts because it’s her struggle, and she knows its not okay. She posts it because it’s her journey to try to get through that ‘not okayness’ if that makes sense.
How come
She posts her journey to tell others they are not alone. Not to encourage it, most fans take her journey as inspiration that they can improve their lifestyle on their own
@@Nora-pw6pk Periodt
@@Nora-pw6pk exactly
I really think Steve Zim needs to be held accountable for what he's teaching/doing he is a trainer not a nutrition specialist. His whole target audience is young women, he's worked with many young female YT personalities to spread this miss information through the platform to young impressionable women. Diet culture is harmful and he's targeting an audience that is easily influenced by misinformation.
Agreed!
I found Magnus Method to be more balanced...
It was through the Buzzfeed Superhero & Michelle Khare vids that I found him and bought his books. His "rules" are very restrictive and easy to obsess over. Not a good match
Yes! And he was always on buzzfeed, where a lot of young people watched
Yup! I remember Mykie working with him and then uploading a video saying something like "i know restricting food wouldn´t work for me" and then it basically showed her eating two same meals every day.
Listening to this guy ramble on about symmetry and lines made me cringe so hard. People are not symmetric for the most part and we really don't need yet another thing to stress about. And I'm not even gonna touch his very questionable advice on nutrition and fitness which seems completely useless (and even damaging) for a person with disordered eating. It really feels like he just wanted to use her platform for a giant ad.
That's exactly what it felt like, an ad.
It was so weird.
It was definitely a concerning segment to watch
Agree! I have to wonder if he took her history into account at all, sure doesn't seem like it.
I think that guy is gabby hannas trainer Steve.
15:35 "chewing gum, drinking water and brushing your teeth" the fact that a personal trainer recommends to do the same things my eating disorder tells me to do...
It's extremely concerning
@@AbbeysKitchen So I was right to be beyond concerned that the registered dietitian from the HOSPITAL told me the same strategies? I am disabled and was fully bedbound at the time. They even gave me the brand of a mouthwash that makes everything taste gross for hours after using it. I was so upset with the entire experience.
My mother always used to say: 'are you sure you wanna eat that?' It always made me feel so judged and it definitely didn't give me the feeling that she meant well, even though she probably did.
Omg same. The worst was when I'd be practically starving all day and as soon as I got too hungry to bear it any longer, I'd finally eat something only to have my mom say "Oh, you're eating AGAIN?". Parents need to realize the huge impact these kinds of comments will have on their kids for the rest of their lives.
My father would give me a plate of food and then take it away when I was in the middle of eating, telling me to not eat too much. What's funny is that my sister would get the same amount with nothing like this happening or comments, and our BMI were similar, which is both being at absolute beginning of healthy scale lol.
same my mom told me if i gain weight i wont be pretty so both my parents comments had me with a bas relationship with food
My mom was always dedicated to working out and losing weight. I felt like she was always on a diet growing up and I know the exposure to that stuff affected me especially when she would start saying stuff like “you’re gaining weight” or “you’re at the age when you can start doing abdominals”. I’ve since spoken to her about it and tries but I know she doesn’t really get it.
I ate at odd hours because of my schedule. whenever I would eat ANYTHING at any time, my dad would say "you're eating AGAIN?"
I'm in my 20s and fixed my relationship with food (yay therapy) but damn does it make me resent him and my mom more for doing that shit to me all the time growing up.
As someone who has recovered from anorexia and compulsive eating, I found that I only binge when I try to eliminate sugar. If I just let myself have sugar when I want it, I end up eating far less.
YES YES AND YES. Everytime I go low carb I end of binging. When I eat complex carbs .. binges never happen.
same
Yes!
@Less But Better Life And even if you ate more sweets than that, it would still be ok.
This literally change my mind about sugar. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Alivia if you're reading this we love you and we just want the best for you
Of course ❤️
My jaw literally dropped everytime that trainer talked... he is everything I hate about the fitness Industry
I understand, his advice is very concerning
I think Steve is just really used to training celebrities who are training for a role, he’s absolutely great at that and he gets results but celebrities also live a different type of lifestyle than we do.
And who knows if those celebrities have good relationships with food. They may get the physical results and do well mentally, or how they think about food also suffers. We don't know.
This whole "glow up" and "productive" side of internet is so harmful.
Agreed 🙁
facts it’s so ridiculously exhausting
Really? For me it’s so helpful! I think it just depends on the person and where they are mentally. I am lucky enough to have mental clarity, and since I have a high metabolism I don’t have difficulties with weight gain/loss. I enjoy watching productivity CZcams because they inspire me to work hard and better myself. I don’t follow them blindly tho. I know how much my body can take and when it’s time to take a break. I also enjoy the glow up side because (although I love my body) I believe growth is important too, whether it’s working out for myself, getting my nails done to feel more confident or doing a face mask to relax! I think some channels can be toxic, but overall these types of channels have helped me out a lot. :)
Agreed
Aja I think you summed up the issue when you said "work hard and better myself". There's this toxic, capitalist message that unless you are being as productive as your body and mind can take without causing a breakdown then you aren't good enough. It's bullshit. Who decided the more productive you are the better you are? Sometimes the most productive thing you can do for yourself is nothing! You can exercise without a "glow up". Wearing a face mask to relax is neither productive or glow up content so you're kinda just twisting whatever you want in their to fit the narrative.
I used to tell myself the EXACT same things as her when I was in the throes of my ED. And I can assure you, I was very much not happy and I wasn’t growing - I was completely stagnant. The fact that I can have a morning like today when I randomly decide I want a chocolate croissant with my coffee and not think about it other than how much I enjoyed it, makes me wanna tear up a little bit...
I'm glad you are doing so well now!
The problem is that she doesn't think she has an ED, she saays she has/had "disordered eating" when she clearly had binge eating diroder (which is a very serious ED) and now she doesn't have a healthy relationship with good either...
We succeed despite the perfectionism, not because of it.
Great quote!
ooooh this hits hard. Thanks for sharing
I love this! I really need to let go of perfectionism because it's keeping me from the life I deserve.
In this world full of health advices,
I don't know what to believe anymore.
Same
@@selinachen7795 believe a dietitian. Personal trainers and even doctors only take a few nutrition classes. Dietitians have years of education, training and experience with matters like this
Believe In yourself. Try new things and see what works! Although trial and error may seem counterintuitive because it is touch and go, nobody has the same body and mental space as you. Workout and diet in relation to body change and weight loss will turn out different for everyone.
Nah cuz same
Same. There's a lot in this video that is questionable too (I watched both this one and the one she's reacting to.) I agree with another comment here....it's time to believe in ourselves...our own instincts and do our own trial and error for our bodies/minds/needs.
This whole series just screamed being skinny is the goal under the guise of “wellness”
It is definitely concerning, but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@Snow White How is it unacceptable?
@Snow White ??????? How is it not socially acceptable?????? It's literally everywhere I turn. ALL of my female friends have talked about the aesthetic goal of skinniness and their striving for it or stress over maintaining it. That is the norm, not the exception. We're just now getting to the point where people are realizing it isnt healthy to achieve skinny at all costs.
To me it was about changing your mindset and achieving your goals, she has been emphasizing on mental toughness and changing behaviors a lot in the past chapters so i don't see it as "being skinny" , what i got from it was that , the goal is to be healthier ...
@@AbbeysKitchen I don't think Steve is the real problem. He may have exacerbated an existing problem. She should have be prescribed to a mental health professional or at the least a dietician who specialising in disordered eating.
Her family made me so sad. They saw she was struggling and essentially bullied her into losing weight. It’s only natural she resorted to extremely restricted eating and over exercising ):
I dont know exactly if she is an asian. But if she is, is "normal" asian family to do that. I can tell you from personal experience your asian family is the worst support you can get if you want to lose weight or have eating disorder. They think if they "bully" you , you will get motivated.
@@panda-OneeChan My asian mom always say you need to lose weight or why you eat so much but all i eat was three meal and she said i need to bully you because i want a pretty daughter.but I'm only 13 years old right now
I can say that’s your typical asian family. I grew up with my family constantly picking out how thin I was before and how I gained weight during my early 20s. It doesn’t help me but through this kind of videos guided how I think about myself.
her family didnt bully her tho. she chose to restrict herself.
@@yaaaitsrewindtime5655 no they did. Maybe you didn’t hear all the comments they made, but they did bully her.
the second season is so triggering.... its in another level i can't watch her anymore
I'm sorry it is triggering for you!
I hate her motto saying "If I work hard, then I'm happy" no sis, you're gonna be burned out and unfortunately I have a hunch she will spiral down when that happens. Happened to me when I done workouts that made me puke. Took me 5 years to get into healthy shape
@@Leab955 same :/
Same!!!
Sameeee I don't like how she is so harsh to herself and pushes herself too much. I will just be more depressed that way
that clip with the mug cake...whoever was talking was literally saying the exact words my "ED voice" would tell me...holy shit :(
I thought the EXACT same thing. Even sadder, the person talking is her Dad... when you watch her videos you can see she is constantly bombarded with hateful and harmful comments from her entire family (sister, mother, father).
I can’t imagine what it must be like for her to have parents that are just ED personified.
Right?? Ive never seen her videos so I thought at first that the man's voice was supposed to be a personification of her ED voice, especially cause it was so whispery and harsh. But...it's her dad like wtf
@@linesmakeshapes I thought the same thing at first
ok but how is that alivias fault?
@@linesmakeshapes in the video it obvious it was her dad. pls they said that it was 12 at midnight which is why we were whispering did we watch the same video i-
Hearing her “rule setting tips” is insane to me as it’s literally the reverse of what you do in CBT to deal with problems. Like, word for word.
🙁
As someone who has been in CBT for the past 5 years.. it always was a red flag for me. I hope a youtuber who is a licensed therapist or eating disorder therapist reacts to her video
As someone recovering from ED, I watched one of her videos and it was literally the most triggering thing ever. I used to be like her, where exercising became toxic to me. I no longer go for runs because they remind me of a very bad mindset I once had.
i hope you are doing better now!
The same goes for me with roller skating. I used to love it because it fueled me with joy, but after someone told me I lost weight after doing it for a whole summer and eating like I've always did, I've started to look up the calories consumed by roller skating. I'm recovering after 8 years of disordered eating and 5 years away from roller skating, but due to that comment I have intrusive thought about food and weight even though I just want to enjoy some fun while moving my body. I hope you can get through it with running, I think it all comes with patience.
@@Blackonyeko I’m so sorry🥺 I recently began going for runs once in a while. I just remind myself that I’m doin it to feel good not lose weight
@@ellepie2122 Same. But for me it was walking. It started innocently enough, a simple way to alleviate stress. But the moment I got a pedometer app, it went off the rails. First 10k, then 15, 20, 30, then 40k a day, with no rest, pushing and pushing myself for hours at a pace that was one gear away from running just to meet the goals. All of this on top of 4-6 days of 30-60minutes of cardio and strenght training. And the calorie restriction. Always the damn calorie restriction. I get this girl, mostly because I see so much of myself in her. She is so addicted to her disordered behavior that she doesn't see that a food group isn't a problem, her beliefs about it are. She doesn't realize that her binging is caused by her restriction and low opinion of herself. And her environment is definitely not helping.
Once I commented that I get this whole thing with “glow up” and “fitness aesthetic”, but maybe she should go to therapy, due to her untreated binge eating disorder and then she wrote a community post about how she practically don’t believe in therapy and she’s in a better place now. I know her videos are obviously pre-recorded, but it seems like she sees getting help from professionals as a “weak” think to do. Same when she once referred to her BED as a weakness. I’m not a professional, but I went to therapy and I can’t shake off the feeling that something might be wrong with her perception of both good physical and mental health. 😕
I agree. I understand she has disordered eating not an eating disoder, howeve she can still go to therapy and really should try it. Therapy isnt for everyone ig, it was an awful experience for me, but she needs help from somewhere and its a good place to stat
@@hollyborradaile2670 I mean, it depends on the therapist, but the main thing in therapy is that you have to find the answers to your problem by talking about them. That’s what my therapist said to me. And I really did, with her help, of course.
@@hollyborradaile2670 Disordered eating can be just as bad as an eating disorder though. Eating Disorders just have a very fixed criteria. So claiming that disordered eating is just bad food habits like she did is wrong.
She went to a therapist and he told her she doesn't have an eating disorder, she has disorded eating, i don't know how they are different but she explained and even though i recommend therapy to everyone , most of my stuff and mental health problems i solved by myself so if she thinks she doesn't need therapy i think is fine
@@csoniah4432 Except a therapist on an ED hotline can not diagnose anyone. In several instances therapists overall are not eligible to diagnose eating disorders. So no, she has never been to a professional about her eating disorder. She called a hot line once.
Seeing some of the rude comments regarding her content I have to say:
It’s very easy to be harsh and judge Alivia but have you guys thought that it’s a complicated issue?? I honestly believe that she is capable of getting healthier on the other side of this. She has a lot of stuff she is struggling with like: limiting beliefs, insecurities coming from her upbringing and from comments that her family is saying to her, from media, her own coping mechanisms to deal with all of it. She seems not to be aware of it - like most of us weren’t before someone pointed it out to us. Therefore she’s trying to help herself the best way she knows how and it’s obviously not healthy and it’s obviously not working but she is trying. It’s not like she means to do harm to anyone. She struggles with self-sabotage, self-hate yet she is still trying but she just doesn’t see yet that this mental stuff is what is holding her back. I personally think that therapy would help her more than dieting. And then dieting would also be good for her. I honestly think that constructive feedback is valid here but it also takes having empathy to fully understand what is going on with her. - to write an *actual* empathetic, constructive comment. Some of these are just rude, judgmental and hateful. And saying that she is responsible for someone else’s way of eating is pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Complete lack of accountability for our own lives. What she is going through does look like an ED to me. And that is helped through therapy + diet together. She is struggling with physical sugar withdrawals, insulin spikes and lows - these are things that only a diet can fix. So like I said it’s complicated.What she is doing is a documenting of Her own journey. Not telling people how to live their lives. And If we make choices based upon someone’s CZcams video then that is our business and our choices are our own responsibility. If you don’t like her content and you watch it then who is there to blame for it?
But at the same time I understand the concern that promoting this way of being as sth healthy is not a good influence. I get that.
All in all I think that we are all witnesses of how she takes her first steps on her recovery which is sometimes messy. And with time while taking the helpful feedback she will be able to take healthy steps to improve her life. let’s support each other instead of tearing down one another :)
Best comment on here
Plus she isn't perfect, she obviously is going to make mistakes and the fact she shows her mistakes on CZcams makes her BRAVE af. If I put my mistakes on social media, I don't know... I will be cancelled
@H M proofs or i don't believe you.
this is all well and good and people should be empathetic, but to some extent alivia DOES tell people how to live their lives, or at least strongly encourages it. she consistently uses the second person to address her audience- "you need to do x" or "you have to x" is language she often uses that it also commonly used in advertising and motivational speeches to make an audience take action. and let's be clear- it ceases to be just about her when alivia has a large platform, a younger audience, and makes PROFIT from these videos and this advice.
Thank you for this comment.
If this Steve the trainer guy doesn't turn her away as a client and suggests real ED help for her, he needs to be held accountable.
i think he needs to be held more accountable for the promotion of his diet/exercise plan due to the fact that this info wouldn’t have been promoted to this extent if he hadn’t started working w alivia
@@gracem4420 Agreed.
For sure
Agreed
Personal trainers are not trained in spotting eating disorders, nor is that in their scope of practice. I don’t even think they’re legally allowed to suggest someone has an eating disorder when they’re not trained to spot or diagnose ED. So no, he cannot and should not be held accountable for that. Personal trainers have to largely operate off of what their clients tell them, unfortunately. Not saying everything this guy does is right, but it was not his responsibility nor should he be telling people they do or don’t have ED.
So my kids are 13 and almost 6. I have taught my kids and still teaching them that there is no unhealthy food, there is just unhealthy quantitys of food.
Good job being a good parent💛
That's great! I have a whole video about this topic if you're interested: czcams.com/video/93ZEhcr1BPE/video.html&ab_channel=AbbeySharp
Focus on what the quality of the food does for your body as oppose to what it will make your body look like. I always ask my daughter if she had her servings of fruit and veg as opposed to saying don’t eat this or that. Developing healthy habits is key.
@@shangreer9060 As parents we are the ones who brings the food in the house, so how can parents get maf at their kids eating unhealthy when thats all in the house, and the "clean plate" rule only causes over eating
@@AbbeysKitchen I teach and live intuitive eating. We listen to our bodys ques and stop eating when full even if there is still food on the plate, I really get my kids involved in the food i cook and let them give themselves they amount.
I’m sick of hearing “intermittent fasting.” You’re not going to magically gain 5lbs from eating at 8am instead of 2pm if you eat the same number of calories. It especially irks me when influencers promote eating in only a 5 hour window. Like no!
I understand!
Yep, I fell into the habit of intermittent fasting for almost a year then was finally able to break the cycle, I was almost always hungry when I was intermittent fasting and I feel like I ate more when I was doing it, when I stopped I lost a tiny bit of weight and I'm not always eating and I don't crave high sugar food much anymore
I literally just talked to my sister about this! I told her what only matters is how many calories you have eaten for the day. It doesn’t make a difference if you ate 500 calories at 3pm instead of 9am. At the end of the day as long as you didn’t go over your limit you are good!
Sometimes its not about weight, its about health. Its all about hormones.
Youll be surprised to know some people who look skinny but actually have type 2 diabetes.
And as Dr. Fung said you can exercise but you cannot exercise your liver.
And its so weird, after I started IF, I started to crave whole foods. Although I do have occasional binges esp. after the Christmas holiday and days before my period. Otherwise, I want nutritious meal.
Anyway, try to research on hormones and fasting. It's like a daily maintaince for your body. Also, I have a cousin, he's thin but he has problems with his liver. so you never know when you need a cleaning/detox.
I think I saw it in dr. fung video that you never know that you have a fatty liver disease unless its in a very bad state unless you do CAT scan. (I cannot remember which video.)
@@CL-gc6pe my body naturally detoxes. I eat throughout the day, no restrictions to meal times, so I never binge. Having a liquid diet for a day or 2 or eating at 2pm instead of 8am isn't going to "cleanse" your body. Maybe you binge because you restrict? It is a vicious cycle.
The phrase that my mom used to tell my sister and I was "once on the lips forever on the hips" whenever we ate. I have never really had a weight issue mostly because I ignored her. My sister on the other hand, developed an ED and still doesn't have a healthy relationship with food/ health. Its just so destructive to listen to others projections
Her family actions towards her were so triggering to me. The way they talk to her was so toxic in my opinion. Also why didn’t she reach out to a nutritionist? Or a therapist?
She said she doesn't believe in therapy. Only strong will power, discipline, pushing yourself even when you feel anxious, sad,... Her words, not mine, I find that very immature and toxic.
@@marijanailjic1790 that's unfortunate :( I don't like that she is setting herself up to be a wellness guru for that reason
Personally i don’t even trust all nutritionists. My last 2 experiences one kept on pushing me to drink milk / dairy when I am lactose intolerant. The second one gave me the medical medium diet...
@@sabri31 That sounds majorly problematic.
Pushing dairy when you are lactose intolerant - wut?
Have you considered a Registered Dietitian, preferably one with a good track record? (eg: word of mouth recommendation)
Same like the things her mom dad and sister said triggered me sm bc that is NOT how you talk to someone struggling with eating habits and weight. As someone who has struggled with bed it was so hard to watch
What bothers me the most is that her audience is very young teenage girls, and there's no disclaimer at all about going to a doctor, or eating according to your age if you're growing
For sure. However, the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
@@AbbeysKitchen absolutely, she needs better guidance, I hope she sees this
I actually think she had depression and was using sugar as a drug to temporarily relieve pain/emptiness. It's mindlessness
Not trying to be rude but you can't just diagnose someone with depression...
@@popnloxx2566 she didn’t diagnose her she said that she THINKS that she had depression based on her eating behavior. It’s an assumption based on analyzing her eating behavior.
@@elyazialhamili3179 ik and I get where you’re coming from but idk I just feel like you can’t make that assumption based on a couple videos :/ anyways that’s just my thoughts, I wasn’t try to be mean btw!!
Would you mind doing a video on Linda Sun’s “I Exercised EVERYDAY for 365 days and What I Eat” because her mindset was what felt to be completely opposite of Avilia’s and it was really profound, in my opinion.
i think she did a video on linda like 4 months ago cmiiw
I just love the vids from Linda as she always bring up the positive mindset, this is what I have always been looking for
I agree !! Now that i know linda I can't watch alivia and not being triggered !
@@jeannevltll6818 same. ive noticed that both girls have different mindsets. linda's has a healthier approach to fitness compared to alivia, in my opinion.
I'm a nutrition masters student, and one of my assignments this semester is to do a nutrition book review. I chose Steve Zim's book, and I'm currently making my way through it. Thank you for taking the time to make this video to address some of Steve's concerning claims!
I'm glad it was helpful!
So glad you’re covering this. I have a younger sister who finds alivia’s videos really inspiring, and I had a lot of trouble explaining to her why the mindset portrayed in the “glow up” series can become dangerous. Sending her this video :)
I'm so glad it's helpful!
you're a great sibling :)
I try haha
I feel so sorry for Alivia. Her family and friends don’t seem to get it at all, no wonder she feels like she has to quash all her emotions.
I have to say Alivia’s series have triggered me a lot and have put me in a self-hate mood ;(( and although that was not her intention, the setting is just very very very pro-ED
The same thing happened with me I didn't eat so much junk food but after watching the series I don't know why I felt compelled to eat that chocolate bar always. I thought watching her videos would help me as a teenage girl trying to have a healthy lifestyle but it didn't. But then I switched to some other youtubers and I am getting new insights about health and lifestyle.
@@varshaagrawal6147 same it's so triggering :-((( im so sad esp how she talks to herself
i watched one episode and it was awfully triggering i should never watch one again
@@cosmics1708 true and the fact that she isn't putting trigger warninns on it especially she is talking about food which lots of her viewers have different experiences with doesn't sit right with me. i watched her everytime before, but i had to unsub bc my ed got worse with her season 2 :(( hope she'll be really ok inside and outside cus she deserves it after all.
@@chimmychimmy5042 yes i understand it’s her story and she’s struggled but i mean cmon that doesn’t justify it. she knows better :/
This stuff about symmetry ... theoretically I get where he’s coming from, but oh boy it’s not like we are taught to worry about weight, cellulite, stretch marks, wrinkles, body hair etc, let’s add perfect exact millimeter symmetry to this
I agree with you. I don’t think symmetry is important in any way, unless it’s for competitive reasons or just vanity. Bodies will naturally be unsymmetrical just from favoring certain sides of are bodies than other. This guy is trying to train her like she is a body builder. =___=
It is very concerning advice!
Symmetry is vital when you are playing an action hero on film. It’s crucial!! He trains for aesthetics for celebrities. Alivia was the wrong client for him. She’s an average joe. She had no business seeking his expertise or seeing any trainee. She needs a therapist. . I have trained with Steve. He’s amazing at his job.
@@AbbeysKitchen oh Abbey. If you only did the correct research on him. You spewed a lot of incorrect information about him.
@@rylm76 she does say alivia should find a new trainer not because he is necessarily wrong but because his advice is not for alivia specifically (and by extension regular youtube viewers)
I used to watch her gymnastic and dance tutorials when I was 12, then her channel switched to weight loss. I continued watching, and it gave me a very early unhealthy relationship with food. I think she she should have been a bit more cautious of her audience
Honestly, me too. It's unfortunate how impressionable our relationship with food is when we are young. I think a lot of my unhealthy relationship with food began with the influence of social media and other people's comments.
same i remember watching her stretching videos for splits and everything. it makes so so sad :/
How doe. She always said that what she did was unhealthy
Same
How though she literally is spreading awareness to binge eating and how to help stop binge eating and have a healthy relationship with food, ive had binge eating in the past and Alivia has really helped me and she does give warnings.
I know this is NOT directly related, but as a parent I sometimes struggle with my young children on how to address food in a healthy/neutral manner. Esp for different age groups. Would you do a video series on this? I would think the needs of a preschool group would be different than that of a teenage group... If she's already done this, let me know, other fans!
I have a video about this on my channel! czcams.com/video/93ZEhcr1BPE/video.html&ab_channel=AbbeySharp
I definitely think this would be a great video or even a great mini-series. My mom was always so encouraging of me to try new foods because she didn't want me to grow up picky like she did. I never had problems eating vegetables or fruit, or really anything. As I got older and went through high school and even into college, she became more critical of what I ate or if I looked like I had gained weight. Even recently, as I've moved away she still comments on how I eat or if I mention having had alcohol, assuming I've gone down this rabbit hole of not eating salads as much as I use to or that I'm drinking too much and just not eating as "healthy" as I used to, when her assumptions couldn't be farther from the truth. A bit of a ramble because this has been on my mind recently, but all that to say I do think this is a subject that could use some addressing because I know comments like this are coming out of a place of love, but as Abbey mentions in the video, the comments can have the opposite effect on children and teens, and from personal experience, they can clearly leave a mark even when the comments are made in adulthood.
Not taking away from the video Abbey made but I follow a dietitian on Instagram called kids.eat.in.color that talks a lot about feeding kids and using language that is not putting food into good or bad groups so if you want you can check her out too
This is so great! I’ve recently learned about the French method of & attitude toward nutrition. Unlike the US, French children are taught from a young age how to balance: their plates, meals throughout the day, taking a little bit of everything. They have a very holistic approach where they believe in indulgence in moderation & no restriction. They also teach kids nutrient values & there’s no such thing as “kid food” like chicken nuggets. Instead, they just eat smaller portions of nutrient rich “adult food.” This also prevents them from being picky too. It’s such a refreshing approach to eating & food, and has helped me to get rid of the extreme American diet culture that ignores balance & nutrients.
Check out kids eat in color on Instagram! She ha tons of advice on this topic!!!
I’ve only watched a couple episodes of Alivia’s glow up journey but I actually really liked it. It resonated with me because of how raw and honest she is about her journey. I am so used to seeing diet & exercise related videos that make a healthy lifestyle look so easy when in reality its not easy for me. I don’t think her videos were ever meant to replace health advice from an expert but instead show the very real struggles one goes through on their journey to becoming the best version of themselves. Her videos inspire me to keep pushing through the bad days.
i completely agree
this.
girl, same.
Omg her series really triggered me. 😭😭😭 I want the best for her.
Her body before was quite similar to mine, so seeing how mean she was to herself and how much weight she lost made me feel really badly about myself. I'm also worried because her relationship with her family seems really odd. I showed my boyfriend to make sure it wasnt just me and he mentioned it before I even pointed it out. ;-;
SAME i watched since i was in middle school it wasnt good for me
Same!!! I lost a LOT (100+ lbs) of weight to be here, and for the first time since losing the weight, I felt like I didn't lose enough or do enough. It was a terrible feeling.
You’re not alone, it triggered me too. ☹️
I couldn't watch beyond season 1 back when she was posting it in 2018 because it totally stopped being motivating after some time (I have a whole load of issues and I decided to just unsub because I recognized that she wasn't making them better).
I'm sorry it was triggering for you!
I know this might sound weird, but I feel like everyone need to at least educate themselves about bodies and how our metabolism/or nutrients work. I used to be like her and binge eat all the time and do long hours of workout but since I started learning more about bodies and health in general (I'malso a bio student), I don't do those things anymore and beside that I keep a journal with me and write down what I love about myself, this also helped me alot with the mental part.
Can you please drop some sources! I want to recover and i need help
@@itskenzye i found fitnessblender really helpful. they have a lot of meal plans and such on there, but its all 2000+ calories, and kelly herself doesn't work out for more than 30-45 mins like 4-5 times a week. that helped changed my philosophy and made me realise that restricting + tons of cardio wasn't the way forward (especially seeing her own journey).
That's not weird that is just true !
Yes I did that too it's so important! I have a history of eating low calorie because I wanted to lose weight. I was depriving myself of so many good foods and I felt miserable. Once I upped my caloric intake and did smart workouts I drastically transformed my body in less than 2 months. I wasn't doing anything restrictive, I was just focusing on being healthy and figuring out what works for me.
@@komfykoala6083 Can you tell me what workouts you did? I’m really struggling
thank u abbey i don’t get triggered easily but i got an eating disorder at 12 and i’m 18 and this triggered me so bad for the first time in years. thank you for making a video on this, her fans are so young.
I'm so glad this is helpful ❤️
Same, feeling very triggered rn ☹️
I don't have an ed and it made me feel bad, can't imagine what you're going through
@@coolpig104 always remind yourself it wasn’t your fault and that you were worth recovery, okay. your body loves you so much and you should love it too
@@boldanabrasevic3020 it was really hard to watch i had to stop after a while. it made me feel really guilty about myself but luckily i’ve been recovered for a couple years so it’s easier now. thank you though :)))
And she even said that her family gives her support "in their own way". She doesn't realize they're not supporting her.
haven’t watched yet, but I’ve always had a serious problem with even the name of the series and the term “glow up”. you DO NOT need to “glow up” in attractiveness or activity level as it is shoved down our throats. it’s usually paired with mental growth or mental self care, but the focal point is almost ALWAYS focused on becoming more palatable to other people. it irks me SO much.
if you watched the first season it was more of your definition of glow up but it started turning into weight loss=pretty and happiness towards the end and most def in the second season (i've been watching her from her stretching videos)
Totally!!
But I don’t understand why that is a bad idea. She want that. Why is that so wrong. If I want to look good for other people is that wrong? I mean I disagree but I don’t think is so BAD. She want to lose weight so??
@@Diane522 i think it is consideted wrong because it hurt and damaged her in a very visible way. She had an awfully wrong mindset all these times. Although as Abby stated, it is not Alivia's fault.
@@beyza2536 yes you are right. It just sometimes I think Abby is with all the listen to your body mentality and when a person is struggling and want to change that is really bad. But yes I saw the video and it was sad but I feel she wanted to share all of her journey even the things people don’t share. And health is not an easy topic everyone has their ideas and opinions.
I think Alivia is just so very young and impressionable, it’s not her fault that she ended up listening to that dude with the crazy advice about symmetry. I feel for her
For sure. The ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
y’all just watch Linda Sun her videos are so good. the message behind them, her personality, the editing. highly recommend
Love her!
i do love linda, she always makes me feel better about myself
This made me realize how common eating disorders are. So many of us have been influenced to think that we should “eat to live” because to “live to eat” is evil and unhealthy.
Alivia is sooo young. Please be kind guys ! 😿
Yup! ❤️
True
@adore domi *exploiting. And yes if you are going to capitalize off of young viewers she has a responsibility to make sure her content is promoting growth and positivity, and a healthy mindset.
@adore domi I don’t think there are many 30 year olds here...most of these ppl r here bc they came from her channel including myself. Also, I’m younger than her lol. In the video she is 18. Now, she is 20 and editing them as an adult. Also it is capitalism bc she gets millions of views on each glow up video that she is posting.
@adore domi so what is your point? I simply said she has a responsibility as a creator. What does this have to with age?
As someone going through ED recovery right now...following a strict military style regimen and mentality is the exact opposite of what she needs, recovery is all about completely letting go and then building back up a healthy foundation with your body, food, and exercise, NOT becoming even more controlling.
For sure. Thank you for sharing
That is what I thought...
The way Steve was pushing her to obsessively track her measurements, to the closest millimetre, was really concerning.
It would be enough to send anyone down the rabbit hole of measuring, tracking, obsessing over minute changes etc.
Let alone someone with Alivia's history :(
@@MC-ko2mx it does! My ED got 10x worse cause of this mentality.
@@roj499 I hope you're doing better now
You 're so right
when i was struggling w my ED, my parents were making me feel as if it was my fault, and that they thought that i was a stronger person, and that they never would imagine me succumbing to beauty standards and how they thought i was much more mature than that. i felt so horrible and guilty, and it only ended up making my anorexia worse. i cant imagine how Alivia was feeling when her dad was telling her to not eat, and then her mom telling her to stay the way she is.
this happened go me as well it’s literally one of the worst things you can say to someone struggling because they wouldn’t open up if they didn’t trust you
especially w the stronger person thing because most of people with eds that i know are huge perfectionists and it makes them feel like they failed
I had to stop watching the glow up diaries because it was destructive for my own journey. I realized that her way of going about “glowing up” was toxic and was doing me more harm than good. This video totally explained the “why” for me.
It's just crazy to me how she doesn't see how triggering her content can be.
It's very odd to not have the empathy to see people are hurting from your content and working to understand why. It doesn't make sense to me.
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In my opinion, she isn’t in any place to understand the affect of her videos, because even though she reached her goal, she’s still living in the mess of her own mind.
People keep mentioning that she needs to go to therapy and I agree, because in her mind, she’s just showing you her journey and she thinks she’s on the other side of her disorder, but she’s not.
I have a lot of sympathy for her. She reminds me a lot of a long-time friend that I had that seemed to struggled a lot with this kind of disordered eating. If my friend had lost weight, she would’ve thought she was “better” too, because that’s all she could focus on. In her mind, she was worthless unless she was skinny. Alivia seems to be convincing herself that it’s not all about weight, but I would be willing to bet it all and say that in the depth of her mind (if she was completely honest with herself), it is. That’s the issue. Her mind still isn’t right. Her body got “better”, but her mind didn’t. Her mind figured out how to beat itself up enough to be “happy” with skinny habits, so that Alivia could convince herself that she too was happy.
I don’t know if that makes sense, but it’s how I feel. I really feel terrible for her. She does need help and I don’t think all this backlash is helping, because now she feels guilty about her journey, when her journey is so like so many others. She’s just in the middle of it, not the end, where she thinks she is.
The loudest voice in her head is telling her:
1. She is worthless unless she is skinny
2. Any amount of pain and discomfort is worth it, for the glow up
The loudest voice *not* inside her head, aka her family, are basically telling her the same thing.
Look at how her dad shamed her for wanting a microwave mug cake.
Therapy is the only way she is going to climb out of this morass of self-hatred.
And even then, it's going to be uphill.
Well triggers are triggered people's responsibility. CZcamsrs don't have to cater to everyone's triggers
I'm so glad professionals like you are FINALLY talking about her. I am not a fan but I came across two or three videos and immediately noticed how toxic her mindset is. I left her a comment suggesting therapy and stressing the fact that it would not mean she is weak or anything. I feel sorry for her because she doesn't even realise how harmful this kind of mindset is. I have been there and still struggle nowadays so I understand. She must not be blamed. She must be helped.
I think Alivia use to be a dancer and a cheerleader. Her behavior reminds me of what happens to children athletes whose weight yo-yo’s like boxers, wrestlers or athletes who due to high workout regimen stay really underweight until they stop, dancers and gymnast.
It’s very difficult for a lot of young athletes after they stop competing to truly understand that their body won’t remain as it was when they were competing. Also kids who have to focus on their weight for competition tend to develop binge eating.
Also, I really do hope she is able to get proper help and guidance going forth.
That’s something I’ve noticed with Facebook friends/Instagram followers as I’m now a few years out of college-a lot of the athletes, especially women who had kids, changed a lot. I can’t imagine dealing with that since I’ve really only put on like 10 pounds since school ended but was never super fit :/
She’s about my age, I can’t imagine how damaging constantly measuring herself and having people around her tearing herself down must be.
I remember finding her videos when I was like 14 and I thought the advice she was giving was going to change my life and make me "glow up" or whatever. I made that stupid "glow up journal" and everything. I'm finally growing out of those patterns of thought and building a healthy relationship with my body. I'm so appalled now by the message she's spreading and I can't believe I ever thought that way. Also, thank you so much Abbey because you've really helped me with healing my relationship with food and intuitive eating
I'm so glad my videos have been helpful for you! ❤️
same!
this is me rn :(
I watched a few of her episodes and what I mostly got out of it is ''I want to be thin''. She focuses so much on the looks, and just the way she talks about her body and food, I think she needs to heal the relationship with herself and food, because that weight loss is not going to make things right. I wish the best to her and to the people that watch her and blindly follow her advice.
For sure, but the ATU program is the real problem here. Steve and everyone else has let Alivia down/misguided her. This isn't her fault... it's diet culture and what she's been taught
true. it's like she shoves a bandaid on the mental toll diet culture has on her by exercise and a physical trainer who doesn't specialize in what she needs
@@AbbeysKitchen agree with this sentiment, Abbey. So perhaps you should have chosen a different title for this video. It reads as if you are calling Alivia problematic instead of the misinformed advice she is getting. The clickbait-y title kind of undermines your empathizing with her imo
@@copperlemons literally reads "problematic weight loss plan" though? Not sure how that seems to be calling her problematic when it's stating the plan is?
@@aab24209 it actually reads “Dietician Reviews Alivia D’Andrea’s Glow Up Diaries & Problematic Weight Loss Plan (OMG, NO!!)” which puts Alivia as the subject noun of this title and makes it sound exactly like the problematic weight loss plan belongs to her. And the (OMG, NO!!) and THIS IS NOT OKAY in the thumbnail is seriously clickbait. Abbey usually has good things to say so my point is that phrasing her title like this is unnecessary and again, undermines the empathy abbey is otherwise trying to convey in the rest of the video.
I watched Steve train a different CZcamsr without a history of disordered eating and it was a success, so I can see how Steve's approach can suit some people, but Abbey rightly calls out that this method is not ideal or adjusted for someone like Alivia. Great video btw
Yes I think he is flawed because he should know better when it comes to training someone with an ED. But for someone like me who doesn't and never has had an ED I personally didn't see or feel any triggers for myself from what he said. I think these trainers need to be more vigilant when it comes to their client's needs.
I’m not an expert, but based on lived experience, I think Alivia will probably relapse into binge eating within the next year, because she may have lost the weight, but she did not heal her broken mindset. I wish the best for her though
did u actually watch her videos?
@@naleahjones3269 yes we did
That’s my thought as well. Binge eating is so much more than sugar addiction. She’s such an amazing and inspiring young woman. I hope she gets the healing she needs to truly support herself.
@@naleahjones3269 its difficult to keep control of your eating disorder alone. i don't know if she has gone to a psychologist yet, if she has i'm happy for her
Guess what? She did, many times from what she said in her newer videos.
You may look healthy and eat healthily, but if you have an unhealthy mind then that's is just as bad as being physically unhealthy. Alivia may have achieved her goal of "glowing up" physically but she hasn't mentally. I think it would be best for her to speak to a therapist/specialist. I hope she can see that Steve was wrong, we just want the best for her!
she has already video where she included her working on her mental health in her yt channel
It would be great if you reviewed her newest video following this, its an incredible example of glow up/diet culture toxicity
Her "tough mindset" is really toxic. I was watching her livestream where she said that she was scared of uploading her video because she was being extremely vulnerable. She was almost on the verge of tears and telling herself "I'm a tough person" by doing this she's literally invalidating her emotions.
Edit: also I think that she's linking her happiness to how she looks and her good habits. Incase if she happens to have a cupcake or fall back on her habits she would feel terrible because her happiness is coming from her habits, not from her self.
Wow this is summed up really nicely. This is exactly what I was thinking and I'm glad to hear someone else say it
her parents prob told her negative things growing up
dude if you go through a struggle and get through it, you are being a tough person!! thats not invalidating emotions thats just believing in yourself to try harder wtf
@@yaaaitsrewindtime5655 i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say. Yes i 💯 agree that if you get through a struggle your a tough person. I didn't like that instead of understanding her emotions, she's invalidating them by being a "tough person". I love her content and watch it regularly, but the original season 2 was problematic which she herself admits (you can check her latest video on her channel)
@@shreyas7803 i know she changed everything lol its just you are misunderstanding her words tbh. shes not invalidating her emotions shes coming to terms with it and saying she is stronger! you only invalidate your emotions f you say "no i shouldnt be thinking this way" or "i need to stop feeling this way"
The empathy here is just so, so lovely. It's everything to someone struggling. I've never heard of this girl but from just what you showed it appears to be heartbreaking to watch. Thank you for showing kindness, it can mean the world to someone. I hope Alivia gets the support she deserves. Actually she just needs some love. I hope her audience is as kind to her as you were.
When a parent criticise what his/her children is eating it’s a tiktoking bomb. It can evolve really in a eating disorder, and I can testimony for that, or even worse, it really set an hiding/embarrassment feeling when eating something.
YES! I was always slim, but my mom was about my size and a little taller. I had broad shoulders from swimming, which gave to appearance of her being slimmer, and the rest of myfamily felt the need to comment on it, despite the facts i was perfectly healthy, and actually probably had a lower body fat percentage. but hey, then i got ana, which they never found out about bc im skeaky af, and i managed to drag myself out. but sucks to be them bc now i have a healthy relationship with food and exercise again, im slimmer and more toned than before whilst stillbeing healthy and mum stopped running as much, although still a lot, and gained a little. havent had that comment for a while now.
For sure. Thank you for sharing your experience with this
when i first started watching her it kinda drove me into having an ED :/ i was so young and started planning out my meals, counting calories like she said. I had a "glow up journal" at 12 that made me obsessive, i started to not eat at all.
Yea her older videos and advice were definitely a factor in my struggles with food
Aw I'm sorry to hear that😔 I hope you're doing better now and if you don't, please don't hesitate to seek for help, because you deserve to be happy❤
I'm so sorry for your experience and that it was triggering for you. I hope you are doing better now ❤️
The same thing happened to me I am a little bit older now and finally know how bad that some of this stuff that is put out by “influencers” and I am glad I went through it young because I can hopefully help my friends so they never have to deal with an Ed
I'm so sorry this happened to you ☹️ I know how it feels... hang in there kid, take gentle care of yourself ❤️
I found the new season so triggering. I feel like she try to teach us good but in a really bad way. :(
Ikr, I don't get triggered easily but this triggered me !
IKR. when i watched her in 2018 it changed me for the worse
It was toxic positivity. She never stopped being so hard and judgemental towards herself and that was the scary part.
@@ElenyM yes, and now she is promoting it to her young audience
I agree the first season was epic and she helped me so much through my recovery I was waiting the 2 season like crazy , now Im just disappointed)):
even ed twitter called her out on this and one of my friends actually talked to her via dms about the potentially triggering nature of her content and she brushed it off as "hate"
When my parents comment on my body like “omg you look so good” it makes me want to continue barely eating because my brain sees that as what I am doing (starving myself) is working and that I can get my dream body
the" if..then" rule is so problematic! u cannot let your happiness depend on a result. You have to find happiness in what is now and not what might be in the future!
yes, this!! thank youu
Exactly
noooo what?!
I can see that she’s really hard on herself and the whole series isn’t about doing it for yourself. I felt like she jumped from one person to another of people pleasing. First it was her mom/family, then it was Steve Zim. Whenever she binged and had to go back to work with Steve she kept worrying about what he was going to think/say.
who all are here after alivia's new video??