Full Auto Suomi in the 2021 AZ PCC Championship
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The Arizona PCC (Pistol-Caliber Carbine) Championship is a 10-stage competition held every year at the Rio Salado Sportsman's Club in Mesa, AZ. It is normally only open to semiauto carbines, but I was able to get permission to run a true submachine gun this year (full auto is truly not an advantage for this sort of competition...). So I took the opportunity to run nearly 750 rounds through a Stemple-Suomi, while kitted out in my proper Finnish Wanter War uniform. Any you know what? I had a great time and didn't come in last!
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The loud "THUNK" as the mag falls out and hits the metal beam at 4:41 was hilarious :D
Also the comment reflecting the thoughts of everyone watching XD
If Ian is going to drop a mag, in a match, on camera...it will be a 71 round Suomi drum. Legend.
It's the Finnish equivalent of the Garand ping.
I actually laughed, its like something from a Mel Brooks or Zucker-Abrahams film.
@@AshleyPomeroy 🤣🤣🤣
"Theres activators that give you a limited time target"
*Absolutely sprays the limited time target*
"I have a solution to this problem."
And draws a laugh from the observers. A good time was had by all
I read your comments just as he dropped the mag " clang that's not supposed to happen"
Stage 3, 70 seconds of penalties, still not worst in division... Somebody had a very unfun match.
Probably malfunctions or penalties. Went to a range a few years ago and this one poor guy got some really shoddy ammo that jammed up his gun a few times. Failure to eject property after almost every shot.
@@mjtheko Yeah, a couple of years back, we were shooting in light mud and one guy wiped out moving to the next shooting area. He didn't break 180, so they let him get back up and finish the stage.
or maybe too much fun
A lot of guys when they have a TON of issues and lose their cool will just take max time on stages and move on. Rip to this man's ego though lol.
Was someone using a NAA .22 magnum rimfire mini-revolver? I'd hate to try and run a comp with something that unfriendly.
"Ian, you can't just bring fully automatic Suomi on the semi-auto stage."
"Yes i can. Gun Jesus has allowed me."
"But Ian, you are the Gun Jesus."
*"EXACTLY!"*
Lol
Ian's permission slip reminds me of my high school hall pass. LOL😇
@@bronxkal9275 you can repeat the exact same joke someone else just made except less funny, congratulations
The poor guys taping up the paper for the next round: "Get another roll of tape, this one has 37 holes in too..."
At that point just say “Fuck it, get a fresh target”
Make sure Ian is the last person to shoot.
Problem solved
4:40 Lol. Best supporting actor in a comedy goes to Suomi drum.
Ammo: [finally becoming somewhat available]
Ian: does a dozen stages with a full auto sub machinegun
Ammo: Well, nevermind...
eating drum mags in foreign calibers is probably a good 30-60$ in bullets per mag
@@elmerjfapp5730 The Suomi is 9mm, not some "foreign caliber" per say.
@@elmerjfapp5730 Those damn European calibers... like 9x19mm ;)
@@benjipurrincho1474 that's what the "per say" was for. While the 9mm was invented in Austria it's one of if not the most popular pistol round world wide between the over 60% of law enforcement using it and the huge amount of civilians using it unlike other foreign calibers such as 9x18 or 7.62x25. Or another version of the Suomi which was chambered in 9x20. 9mm is made world wide where other offering are not.
@@benjipurrincho1474 not sure what part of "pistol round" you dont understand. The first .22 round was designed as a rifle round. But lets not let facts get in the way of your thinking.
I love that little permit Ian carries.
Ron Swanson would be proud.
Also Grunkle Stan
An Almost-But-Not-Entirely-Unlike-A Suomi *is* the permit. Any written permit is mere window dressing (or a pocket stiffener in this case).
"I am 12"
You gotta stay legal.
Ian you really just put the fun bar to the max and went for it
Ian is the Sterling Archer of competitions, he may just skim both the instructions and the briefing but damn does he look good doing it.
That'd be a fun and weird collaboration-have H. Jon Benjamin read the voice-over script for Ian's match footage.
Ian seems like a better person than Archer, in almost every facet. Then again, Archer is functions higher with alcohol in his system, so competition shooting wise, I don’t know who’d come out on top.
@@edm240b9 If that bar were any lower a potato could clear it.
Gun Jesus: RAMPAGE!!!
"Right?"
At least he has a legit permit, I was a bit worried at first.
He does in fact have a loicense for that
Kudos to the staff for allowing this, and for Ian bringing us a fun video showcasing such a firearm in a modern competitive environment.
I couldn't help but notice, that while he was having trouble with those tiny targets, any actual human size target would have been absolutely hosed.
@@stevekreitler9349 Very true - 1 inch outside an IPSC A zone (for example) is potentially still going to be a significant emotional event.
You can hear a laughter in the background when he sprays the "muh limited exposure targets". They're having almost as much fun watching as Ian has shooting.
How much that gun cost ya, Ian? - "Few thousand."
How much that ammo cost ya, Ian? - "Few million."
"Did you take the Suomi to the range?"
"Yes."
"What did it cost?"
"...Everything."
if the ammo was $500 the answer is 1/28th.
@@dcrose001 I’m from Kentucky and 9’s still $25 a box.
Also, it’s hyperbole for the sake of a joke
@@mrb692 It’s not always safe to assume that someone else has a sense of humor.
@@mencken8 my sense of humour is MIA on the subject of ammo prices...
Ahh yes, the Suomi’s designed purpose: firing from the rear seat of a 2004 Toyota Corolla.
We love to see you take on these challenges with such gusto!
Daddy, will Rudolph be pulling Santa's sleigh this Christmas? No son, Ian ate him
ROLFLMAO!
I just realized that theyre called reindeer in English probably because some guy saw a reindeer herder ride one. I presume the rider used reins, so reins + deer = reindeer. Its the kind of deer you can put reins on. Its not a very obvious connection though. Sometimes i get frustrated with English because of the weird names it has for some things. Im the kind of guy who wants to know _why_ things are called what theyre called.
I wonder if Ian took a glowing red crap the next day from eating Rudolph's nose.
@@Likexner You don't ride raindeer they are not really suited for that. But they can pull sleigh.
@@LikexnerSorry to spoil the fun buts that is probably not the answer. The herders that ride reindeer are to be found in Siberia (quite far from Brittain) were the reindeer are bigger. Closer to home the Sami herders in Scandinavia did not ride reinder and instead rode behind them in sleds as the reindeer here are smaller. However the Scandinavian language have had a large influence on English (via some rather violent visits in the early middle ages) and in Norwegian the animal is simply called Rein, add deer to that and we get the English Reinder.
(Btw rein as in that strap you control a horse with is called töm in Swedish, i imagine it is something similar in Norwegian and Danish)
I think that "permit" is priceless! It should be a t-shirt .
I want that damn t-shirt, right now.
@@Cheshire9k "I do what I want"
That's from Parks and Recreations, innit?
@@vaclav_fejt yep, Ron Swanson
New Rock Island Auction employee: Hi there, is there something you’re looking for?
Ian: I know more than you.
Really appreciate the narration over the stages.
I really enjoy watching you run these competitions with unconventional guns. Your fellow competitors, especially in your squad, probably get a kick out of it as well. I noticed you were enjoying your potted reindeer lunch alone.
I'd love showing up at a match and seeing someone doing something weird and funky like this.
@@VosperCDN I imagine reindeer meat is pretty good .
Now its not quite the same but I once brought an MRE to a construction job site. I got some weird looks but it was day labor and was all the food I had at the time. The chicken slop still tasted lousy though. Sometimes even hunger can't make something taste good.
I'd have been far better off with that potted meat, some soda crackers , slated licorice and a nice Long Drink.
"Sir, you can't use a full auto carbine here."
-"Oh don't worry, I have a permit."
"..."
"This is just a piece of cardboard that says 'I can do what I want'-"
-"I am gun Jesus, and this _is_ a gun range. Good day."
Reminds me of Foley on the BH gun club video range in Beverley Hills Cop 2 ;)
or as we talk full auto of Robocop when he does his first shooting range firing... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
Me and the squad once had to destroy old ammo with Suomi guns. We spent several hours on what seemed like half a cubic meter of 50's 9mm rounds. I didn't hear anyone having had even a single misfire or malfunction. The reloading started _really_ sucking ass after the first hour though...
The idea of "destroying" ammo really hurts to think about right now. Especially since that ammo would probably still be good if it were still around.
@@tackytrooper True, true. Though the military doesn't care much about money, and always has plenty of ammo stockpiled. Even in minuscule dumps like Finland, the army apparently has to get rid of the old stuff in order to buy (and store) new stuff.
If that was in the Finnish army it must have been quite a while ago.
@@MrZetor I mean it's just crappy because you know that kind of ammo surplus could have contributed to additional useful training, but instead some joes got to the range and were handed 60 rounds or something and told to make good of it.
@@vennijesperi Yeah, I'm old, I know. Trust me, I know. Thanks for the reminder though... ;)
This was 1995. Must have been spring since it was still a bit cold, but not too cold to shoot and reload without gloves and have your fingers freezing.
Steve1989 hasn't uploaded in what, 3 months now? Ian's providing us with a food section to hold us over with his lunch.
@Peter smith He mentioned in his last video that he's working on something big involving a Vietnam ration. Hope it didn't kill him!
@@SimuLord at this point he's probably immune to everything. Dude could eat some alien sewer sludge, say, "Whoa that's a little funky", eat it, and still be fine
FROM the scoring, there were some pretty sharp shooters at this match.
Lots of serious IPSC PCC guys, yeah.
had Ian brought PPSH the event would be known as CCCP
I love Ian competition videos. I always think people ask when he pulls up, "I wonder what he has brought this time...!?"
Ian on the range is what happens when that "he's weird, but he's cool" friend you had as a kid grows up.
I get the feeling that if Ian hasn't already he will soon buy one of those guns. Still fun video and that falling mag and the "Perkele" really made me smile :-)
Didnt he say he owns it?
@@WastelandArmorer No. He said this was the closest he could get to owning a legal full auto one. If he does have a Suomi, it must be a semi auto. I dont think he has one at all though.
I meant he owns the semple.
@@Likexner you misunderstood
The “permit” had made me spit my coffee. LOL
Something I hadn't noticed or thought of before. With an open bolt gun you most often only have to drop the mag to show clear since the bolt is already open.
In theory, yes - but range staff have so little exposure to open bolt guns that they don't know and just have you follow the same procedure as closed bolt guns.
Some types of competitions have rules that specify that a gun can only be shown clear after it has been fired, without firing a shot.
For safety, consistency of process is important.
This is just a showcase for Finno-philes. Flexing the superiority of the great Finnish sub gun.
That Texas Star right at the beginning is honestly a brilliant target.
Im a straight man, but damn he do be looking good in that WW2 Finnish uniform.
Keep it up brother!
memes, full auto shooting and food reviews. This one's got it all folks
That Parks And Recreation meme reference was great, lol.
10:57 If cactus is a no shoot. That is a lot penalties!
Although shooting cactus is illegal in Az it's more illegal to remove a saguaro cactus
Reactive target: *appears for a fraction of a second*
Ian: *PAAAAARPPP!!!*
Every FUDD ever, “the Garland ping got men killed in the field!! They could hear it and knew you were out of ammo!”
The Suomi and Ian at 4:40, “Hold my beer”… CLANG!!
What does FUDD stand for?
@@mantha6912 it's a reference to Elmer Fudd, dunno why they capitalized it in this case though.
@@NarcassiticGamer Are you sure that's the case? I've seen people capitalize the letters and even write it like "F.U.D.D." before.
@@mantha6912 Let's think of a good "backronym."
yea.. im just now realizing my fucking phone autocorrected "Garand" to "Garland"... fuckit...
I wonder how much of a disadvantage the fun of having a full auto gun is?
"Oh I forgot I was meant to engage these twice" and "I misunderstood the layout".
Bull, you were having too much damn fun and you got caught up in it
Good for you
The same sort of mistakes also happens in other gun matches Ian made, so it's not the gun, it's the User.
Impressive, not one malfunction in the entire match. Excellent!
750 rds!
The Finns know good weapons design.
Ians comment after the tinned reindeer "and now...back to the shooting". I really though he was going to do the Monty Python "and now...for something completely different" Was a touch disappointed 😃
And now for shooting something completely different.
No Russians were harmed during filming this video
Well, at least not physically. Might some emotional scars there that are getting mighty itchy…
... Probably.
"Mommy, when's Santa coming?"
"I'm sorry sweetie, but Santa won't be arriving this year."
"But why?"
"A bad man with a machine gun ate Rudolf."
When I lived in Scotland, we had a very good Game butcher.
One time the sign outside said
BAMBI.. You've Seen The Film,
Come Try The Burger...
I love that he slowly gets better throughout the video.
That was the most Elaborate match I have seen on this channel [with the proviso that I don't think I've watched all of them]
Such is the fate of all games (See IPSC or etc .), to gradually undergo changes to favor the specialized and esoteric.
That was a fine Perkele indeed!
Ah, the Ron Swanson permit. A classic.
Really glad to see Ian occasionally doing the proper support hand on the drum hold
the RO's doing target patching must have thought 'Oh crap' when they heard those long bursts :P
Welp, time to get new paper...
I like someone in the background, laughed at Ian’s bursts on stage 4 😂
Legendary weapon. That thing kept Finland independent.
Actually with all that rounds in the mag, this gun most probably would have done really very well in semi auto.
Needs a red dot too though.
@@chrisfs150 pretty sure the lack of reloading would make up for the (slight) speed loss with irons
For the most part. The long shots would still have been problematic due to being open-bolt. Having that bolt first fly forward before it fires does make it slightly harder to keep it absolutely on point.
It's amazing to hear your Suomi go brrt like a sewing machine and hit the targets with you barely reacting to the recoil. I'd assume in a real situation the whole burst would've hit a soldier without any trouble. Perkele was also very powerful, no wonder you did quick job.
It looks like the stages were very well setup, the hint system for hits etc. Really liked watching these stages in general, they seem fun.
Unfortunately you didn't have the glorious metal spoon-fork for the meat, but I assume it still tasted fine ;)
Would definitely like to see a follow-up on that dropped drum, really curious as if it suffered any damage. That drop was comically horrific.
No damage.
@@ForgottenWeapons No damage to what, the drum or the steel beam?
@@ForgottenWeapons Concidering the fact that they most likely used somekind of early prototype Nokium on the drum magazine, I'd be surprised if it took any damage.
@@Caldera01 The fact that it didn't elave a crater definitlely suggests prototype materials.
It's awesome that on stage 11 you were able to get 3rd in irons sights with a full-auto 90-year-old repro/original hybrid SMG in a long range setting. Just goes to show once again it's the shooter, not the gun!
Like to see more comps with historic full autos!
Remember when you would buy an amd-65 parts kit for 49.99 and they would magically arrive with one or two extra soumi parts kit thrown in as package fillers? I miss free parts kits days.
This sounds like heaven im irish we can't even have semi autos in 22cal but if you do a bitta looking the odd vigneron or an oul ak would pop up 😉
No one:
Ian: Perkele.
10:53 Gotta feel sorry for that cactus.
This was pretty cool and I think its a fairly accurate representation of The kind of combat distances a SMG would br pressed into
"Hmmm... Reindeer." That might be the first time anyone in Arizona has ever said that :D
I can’t quite decide, with those cackles, whether he’s Gun Jesus or Gun Muttley.
I hope Stemple's paying you for all the advertising you're doing for them.
Weird question, but...
Have you ever considered taking Carl and using an actual WWI era heavy machine gun in MG match? Time would be horrible and you would be exhausted, but then you'd have footage of what those people had to deal with.
Unfortunately, there are essentially no rifle-caliber machine gun matches. They few where such a thing is allowed are completely incompatible with a belt-fed HMG. Those guns were designed and used for static emplacements, not dynamic movement.
@@ForgottenWeapons a pity. But at least I know that I wasn't reason why you had to suffer lugging around a 50kg hunk of metal under the sun:D
Assault Maxim.
@@ForgottenWeapons guess Karl better start doing some squats to carry the gun and tripod then
I dont think we will be seeing Ian and Carl in a video together any more.
I love how Ian is right into this with the Finnish clothing, Finnish firearm and even the Finnish lunch. Bro, you're the best
That "perkele" at 1:23 was spoken like a true native, albeit with a slight swedish-finnish intonation, and it really made my day! I don't remember having that much fun in november of 1987 when I was shooting the Suomi while in the finnish army. Yes, we trained with old WW2 weapons then, and apparently some conscripts still do during their basic training. Or so I've heard from my nephew who is now at the last quarter of his one year service.
how the heck does anyone remember all the steps in each stage? i would end up last just from being forgetful about when/where to shoot...
Generally prior to shooting someone is going to go over how to do the stage. If you arn't first you will often be watching on average 4+ people do it before you. Generally they are also laid out in a remotely predictable fashion if you've shot some stages before the hardest part is often about knowing how many shots to what target but often the RO calling out hits and such will tell you if you left a two hit on one hit or similar (though not always).
the matches with strange guns have got to be one of my favorite things ever
I love that no matter what obscure gun you use, and how impractical it is, and how poorly you do (relative to having a better setup), there are always a lot of people that do way worse.
Only person who didn't have fun, was the guy taping his targets.
I really wanted to see Ian's face when the drum mag fell out and landed on the metal
Nobody gonna mention that he was sitting in mid air while having lunch? Just me? Okay.
Always enjoy seeing these. Thanks Ian
A pity that Ian never strafed a platerack….
Nice to see a Saturn Vue finally finding some use too!
I noticed that too. I would expect muzzle brakes would knock chips of plastic off of the panels. I saw a I guess it's a third gen I think Saturn sedan get t-boned by a CRV going about 35.... The CRV was actually messed up a lot worse but I think every single plastic body panel in the whole car was in shards on the ground. The passengers in the Saturn seem to be basically fine and both of the CRV passengers went to the hospital and looked like they really needed it.
I love it when you do commentary ADR over footage! This match really showed where an SMG shines as a weapon, that burst at 8:04 was something else.
Really appreciate the voiceover in this one, makes the video as a whole feel a lot more contiguous and informative.
Gotta say these are probably the video's I enjoy the most on your channel and I hope you keep doing them. Seeing these classic world war weapons in modern shooting competitions is a blast for me.
That was awesome mate! Loved the "permit" too👍🇭🇲
I think your skills handling obscure firearms in a competition has improved substantially over the years.
I've been watching this channel for 4 years I think, and by God it still delivers the fun and facts in spectacular fashion today. Its what makes Forgotten Weapons special
Looks super fun. Nice to see videos like this from you Ian
Going for a pistol match with full auto suomi, also cosplaying is a fun way to live.
Im going to go make my own full auto permit. Take that AFT!
They will 😁
@@LolTollhurst I better hide my dogs then.
Based
I love the types of videos on this channel
I really like watching your competition videos. Your years of experience make you a fascinating shooter
it may be Forgotten Weapons. But the Potted Reindeer really stole the show.
There appears to be two quite good iron sight competitors in the division as Ian was only once up to 2nd place. I assume #1 and #2 were mostly the same two persons.
It just so happens I don't like to assume things and had this need to check out the scores. #1 was mostly the same guy, but 2nd place was mostly shared by 2 guys and occasionally someone else, like Ian. The #1 John Gregory had an excellent run as he was was way ahead of everyone else with almost 24% lead to the second place! Overall 18th - with iron sights versus optics!
@@ylismsa What a Chad! And I really hate using or even thinking that word. But ... what an absolute Chad!
best thing I've seen in a long time! Nice work Sir
Excellent Piece. Thanks for sharing
would be interesting to see how he'd do with other similar era smgs
empties magazine into last target - "Screw you!"
"And verily, it was screwed."
~ Gospel of Gun Jesus, Book of SMGs, Chapter of the Finns, Line 63
I taped that target up myself. ;)
@@ForgottenWeapons 🤣😂
Thanks for posting that, it was a lot of fun to watch
Excellent, performance. Absolutely outstanding. That looked like a helluva lot of fun.
look like ian need to add luha for hes finnish soldier uniform
why are there bullet holes in the "safe area no ammo" sign
My guess is recycled (target) paper.
Wow now that is how you have a great day ! This was great to watch thank you !
The rate of fire is unreal. Well done Ian!!!
1:04 A Ron Swanson joke, ha!
I am always amazed at how well Ian does using what most shooters would consider antiquated, obsolete firearms. Ian claims he is no great marksman and does not spend the time practicing needed to truly become a contender. And at each match he uses yet another gun, which certainly does not help at increasing his scores. Yet the dinosaurs that he uses rarely leave him at the bottom of the results. I am sure he competes against all the guns that are currently flashy and trendy. So just how much "progress" has there really been in firearms in the last so many decades? I am all in for the oldies-but- goodies being given more respect.
Yeah, you're right, but a Suomi is still a very competent weapon. Might be a bit heavy, whatever, but it's awesomely reliable and has bullet proof feeding options.
I really enjoy your forgotten weapons videos. Thx man!
The voice over format is great... great video.