Jim Cornette on The Undertaker's Comments About The Montreal Screwjob
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- From Episode 143 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Bret said in his book that he suggested dropping it to a number of people: Taker, Austin, Mankind, Farooq. There was plenty of people Bret could have dropped the belt to besides Shawn. The whole thing could have been avoided.
It doesn't matter vince is the boss and vince said drop the belt to shawn
Why didnt Bret want to drop it to Shawn?
@@halfields3568 Cause Shawn said he wouldn't do the same
@@brians.2392 Bret had creative control though
@@coltonhorstman7637 He was leaving he had already made the decision to sign with wcw and he didn't have full creative control
Always cracks me up when Cornette just randomly adds in the words "whatever the fuck" to his sentences 😊
Since I started listening to him I find myself saying the same thing quite often.
Drinking game: a shot at every fuck or anyway
It's Jimbo's punctuation mark
That needs to be Corny's newest T shirt.
@@TomFoolery350 what about when they are together?
Bret should have forfeited the title by saying he lost his smile.
nah, that way, wwe loses a chance to put over a young guy, which was what vince wanted. he wanted shawn to be recognized as the next top star who replaced bret, and not just someone who won a battle royal for a vacated title. thats why undertaker being a transitional champion probably won't work for vince either
THANK YOU!
@@kcazzzzz How would Undertaker losing to Shawn not work as a top star putting over the next young guy?
@@JD-Media Shawn had just beat Taker to win the title shot at survivor series in the first place, which set off the taker/Kane situation. Vince should’ve just had Bret not win the title at summerslam and had Shawn win the belt at bad blood in hell in a cell
@@SpaceGhost92 A more simple solution... just have Bret relinquish the title on an episode of raw, say his goodbyes. Have a surviviorseries tournament to crown a new wwf champ. So many simple solutions could have been made instead of this huge ego childish mess that happened
Vince: Good idea there Undertaker! Bret can drop the belt to you and you can do it for Shawn a few months down the road!
Shawn: This is bullshit!
Undertaker: (begins to slowly tape his fists while eyeing Shawn)
Shawn: KK fine...don't hurt me....
Lol!! Best comment on this video for sure
Then Shawn blew Vince and "creative changed".
@@michaelwarren9256 Im thinking you got that backwards
@@johnkolko5199 I believe it's pretty accurate.
@@djcease1996 pretty disgusting either way. When Shawn finished Vince probably said to him, That's good stuff, pal.
Steve Austin would have been a better drop. Bret beat Austin in every match they had and was eager to put Austin over before he left, for the belt no less.
Very true. Bret has said on numerous occasions he was more than happy to drop the belt to Foley, Austin or Taker but vince was adamant on shawn being champion.
Stone Cold needed a long reign. Wouldn't make sense to drop to HBK at all. Cut him out completely makes the most sense but for someone who didn't draw, he had stroke
Austin had a broken neck and was having his return match against Owen for the Intercontinental title that night.
I knew he had done his neck in, but the mad man didn’t have any time off. Bret was a bigger draw at the time than Shawn, but not much. The industry was in a bad place due to Hogan making the business stale, scandals and economics. So people like Shawn and Bret, despite being far superior in terms of in ring performers, didn’t get the recognition they deserved. Vince didn’t want to pay Bret the contract that he signed him into, but he also didn’t want him to go elsewhere, so he tried to destroy his character before kicking him out the door. The opposite actually happened, but WCW being WCW missed the opportunity with Bret, who after the screwjob, was the hottest wrestler on the planet. I feel that they could have built a brand to go against WWF. WWF had Austin at the head and WCW should have had Bret. WCW could then have said, your champ is great, but your champ never beat our champ, our champ is therefore better, therefore our brand is better. If your look at the potential match ups in WCW, you had Eddie, Mysterio, Benoit, Steiner, Booker, Jericho, Malenko etc, these matches would have been superior to the Attitude era match ups for in ring quality.
@@kamborichardson1909 It's not entirely difficult though to see why he would have wanted Shawn getting the belt. Say what you want about him but the guy as a great talent in terms of a being a wrestling performer and his mic skills. His one major failing was his selfish, me, me me attitude. It's well known he was a prima donna and like Jim says, he Vince shouldn't have tolerated it and fired him for being unprofessional.
Everyone always forgets that Bret literally says “I’ll drop it to Foley or Austin” on wrestling with shadows. Vince wanted it his way exact way but don’t tell me this was the only way to get the belt off him or stop him going to wcw with it
Because that was all part of the work between Vince and Bret....it amazes me how people will accept obvious nonsense in order to make a story with gaping holes be true.
Vince wanted to clear Bret's money (we all act like Bret had no access to legal counsel in order to say "Fuck you, give me my money") so he had to do whatever Bret wanted (we also ignore the "reasonable" creative control in Bret's contract, so he could have sued for it's breach...but for some reason didn't) Bret loved being a babyface, a martyr, a victim AND had the added benefit of in his mind, making HBK a pariah with the locker room, which he'd been trying to do for 2 years and THAT is why Bret had to lose to HBK...
Shawn and HHH got in Vinces ear
The thing is that the match had already been announced as Bret vs. Shawn before Shawn made the little shitty comment about not putting Bret over. That’s what led to all of it but for Vince to change the match would have set a bad precedent. I’m on Bret’s side in the whole thing but it was a sucky situation for everybody involved.
But you seem to forget vince is the boss so Bret should of done it his way (Bret screwed bret)
@@78bcat if you watched Hitman Hart wrestling with Shadows, Hart had come to the end of his 1991 Contract and WCW made him an offer. They made it a big deal about who Bret was going to choose on RAW. People got invincere saying we can't lose Brett so Vince made bread some huge crazy offer like a 20-year deal and a few weeks later realized that it was a mistake and cancel the contract that part is also in the documentary where Brett receives a call from Vince at home and tells his wife that Vince backed out of the contract and wanted to talk to him about a smaller offer at the same time WCW was still offering a huge deal. So Vince owed no money at all. The contract that Brett signed could be voided before 90 days as are most contracts just in case something happens that's out of the company's control.
What suck about the entire situation is even though the two hated each other, they had awesome chemistry in the ring up until the last 3 seconds of the match
they had "chemistry in the ring" do you know how stupid you sound when you marks try to use wrestling jargon. Did it look like a fight? the smark age is gone. Oh go ahead talk about the work rate. get it out of your system.
bob beckey somebody’s triggered. Go ahead buddy, let out your anger, it’s okay, it happened 20 years ago, they can’t hurt you anymore
bob beckey and what is your involvement in the wrestling business lol?
True, the chemistry between them was off the charts. People often forget about that iron man match at wrestlemania.
@Lee Grace O.k. turn down your flames there moe.do you like a lot of chemistry in the wrestling ring? is chemistry important to you? did you watch the NASA launch last week for the chemistry between the astronauts?
you honestly are embarrassing yourself. Well maybe the chemistry fans might come to save you.
That Undertaker is the best drawn Undertaker I've ever seen
Has taker ever had a full beard?
It looks like Bruiser Brody to me
@The One and Only Shea Check the Undertaker comic by Chaos Comics back in 1999
I should show you the Undertaker sign I drew for Smackdown back in 2010. Maybe it was RAW...
@@yourgameisstupid When he came back at Survivor Series 05, he had the whole connection going and it was a good look.
To be honest, the screwjob was a major turning point. It was a real moment with real heat. McMahon rose to being the heel owner as a result, which created the stone cold v. McMahon heat. Most of the attitude era's angles happened because Vince did the screwjob. Without it, WCW might have won the war.
O RLY?!
That's a valid point before the Montreal screwjob WCW was winning hands down and the ratings
It really did screw Bret. His career never recovered.
@@penskepc2374 Mainly because WCW did not take advantage of the controversy.
@@shiranuiaensland1442they didnt even take advantage of just the mere fact that bret was there
Vince's picture needs a "black eye" in the thumbnail, as we all know what happened in the locker room after Bret chased Vince back there! (lol).
Sonic Boom
Interviewer-"Vince McMahon, you just got knocked da fuck out! What are you gonna do next?"
Vince McMahon-"Hospital . . . need . . . hospital . . ."
Vince chased Bret. Bret came out of the shower and Vince and his crew of guys were waiting in the locker room
@@chriswills936 Thats not really true. If you listen to the different wrestler accounts and watch the documentaries Vince went straight into his office and locked the door. Bret went to his office and tried to get in. You can see it in wrestling with Shadows(and bretts recent interview with stone cold) But, Vince stayed locked in his office. Bret went to his locker room and Shawn was in there. Taker got pissed and went to look for McMahon. After that he showed up with a bunch of people before Brett hopped in the shower. The rest is history.
Although I am a little confused. On how he got the black eye? I would assume from falling. Bc out of brets own mouth. He upper cutted him "so hard it lifted him off his feet and knocked him straight out"
I can see what Jim gets at when he said Taker didn't need the belt for long periods of time as he was a big enough star without, hell he had the streak alone which was enough of a badge of honor in of itself. It was legendary.
The streak wasn’t even a thing in the 90’s. Nobody talked about a streak.
I think he means that heels in general shouldn’t hold it that long, obviously to Triple H this doesn’t apply
@@kckc6578 it wasn't a thing but taker was already a big star with or without a belt, just like Rollins rn that's he's putting over so many guys, hasn't hold a title since 2019 and the man is literally the best wrestler in the WWE but obviously the comparation is absurd, taker is taker and Rollins is Rollins. But yeah, taker never needed a belt after the 90's, he had the streak.
Didnt need to be long term. They could've dropped it the next night at Raw. Have DX interfere so Taker doesn't look weak and that's that.
In all of the shoot interviews out there, you will almost NEVER hear anyone speak negatively about Taker. Not many in the business has that type of respect.
Unless you're Ryback who can't take constructive criticism at all.
Taker is the greatest of all time. Old school. Loved the business. Greatest gimmick ever. Just the best. Not Hogan. Not Flair. Not Sammartino. Not Dusty Rhodes. Undertaker all the way. Pure gothic badassness.
@@charlespage8692 Flair was the man, always will be.
@@zamiel3 what flair could do is have an entertaining match that suspends your disbelief and he fould do it with anyone.
@@charlespage8692 I think Michaels is the greatest of all time. Always the best match on the card.
I think part of the issue was, as Cornette implies here, Vince was making the point that when he wanted something to happen, it was going to happen. He probably didn't want to set the precedent that wrestlers could buck his creative direction.
5:31 "oh but Shawn would've gone ballistic"
Lol I keep imagining a cranky 1997 Shawn michaels screaming and yelling at everyone and no one in particular
Kinda sounds like that's how it actually was lol
he was like this. there was a reason why nobody expect hunter and vince liked him at this point
I said as much in the comments for the Taker video, Shawn wanted to humiliate Bret - putting the belt on Taker wouldn't have been sleazy enough for Shawn's ego....
Lmfao it's cool you know so much about everyone involved to say that
@@yourgfsbf9955 Literally everyone from that time, including Shawn himself have talked about what an almighty prick Shawn was back then. You don't need to know him personally to connect the dots of "Everyone says he was an asshole, including himself" and "Thus he was an asshole."
Isn't definitive proof the screwjob came about because HBK wanted to humiliate Bret, but it isn't out of the question. It's equally well documented Bret and Shawn hated each other.
@@yourgfsbf9955 well, actually, knowing them personally would lead to a bias when assessing the situation, you want listen to what each party has to say and look at the evidence, characters and situation. That's why when they eventually catch you and try you for fucking your cat, the judge will be impartial....
Forget about the complaints, it would have mucked up the undertaker / Kane story
@@PeteUnsigned "Wasn't sleazy enough for Shawn". Like you know Shawn, what he considers sleazy, or his intentions.
Knowing someone doesn't instantly make one bias. It does however, allow one to have first hand KNOWLEDGE of what a person would find "sleazy". As well as if their intentions were to humiliate someone.
Whatever you may think Shawn's intentions were, are irrelevant to his having the authority to make decisions for the company. Shawn would have had no actual say, if Vince wanted to put Taker in the match with Brett.
Yes, a judge is supposed to be impartial. Your comments are far from impartial.
Its crazy how Shamrock and Undertaker were both right there willing to take the bullet and take the title just so HBK and Bret could've stayed apart
But it HAD to be HBK/Bret. Nonsense. The dumbest shit in the world.
Ultimately it seems to have worked out for the best for everyone involved (except maybe Bret), so even though the situation was nonsense, it was probably the best thing that could have happened over the long term.
I guess it’s not sense it’s the biggest thing in Wresting history. It was a work, I’m convinced.
@@Director2024 If it was a work, someone involved would have admitted it long before now. Bret might keep kayfabe, but no one on the WWE side would. Also, as Cornette points out, they didn't even realize what they had or what to do with it after it happened, so I don't see how it could have been a work.
@ShadowAngel I agree with not putting it on Shamrock but I disagree that putting in on Taker wouldn't have worked. You could've had him get his revenge on Bret from Summerslam and win at Survivor Series then have Hbk vs. TAKER in a Casket match and have Kane screw him at Royal Rumble and help Shawn win just like what already happened that year but just make it that shawn wins the belt instead of retains it.
@@stinger5127 It's not just about avoiding a problem with Bret. Shawn Michaels had to be champion for a longer period of time so that DX got even more over, and that there would be a payoff at Wrestlemania for Austin. No way it would only be from the Rumble to Wrestlemania. They knew Austin would be the guy from Wrestlemania on. The belt can't change hands a million times before the payoff.
I always found it funny that Shawn beat Bret twice for the WWF belt but Shawn found a way to hand the belt over instead of dropping it to Bret. Shawn never wanted to lose to anyone, and even said that he would never put Bret over, yet internet trolls always blame Bret for "not doing business".
@Hybrid Eye78:🤦🏾♂️ don't remind me🤷🏾♂️
Hybrid Eye78 what the 7 foot monster .. that guy ?
@Hybrid Eye78 Sid was his friend
They both had Egos, Shawn repped it loud & proud while Bret just did it in a calm Canadian kind of way
@Hybrid Eye78 Hogan put over Shawn... The same Hogan who wouldn't put Bret over 'cause he was "too small".
undertaker could have won at ss 97 and kane screw him over at royal rumble and drop the belt to hbk
I said the same thing cause it wouldn't messed anything up from what we got at Mania. Undertaker lost to Shawn anyway. They been talking about how Bret was wrong for not considering the company feelings but what about Shawn? Shawn was all about him and not the company and PROBABLY the reason why he suffered that back injury at the Rumble. Bad karma
Bret beat Undertaker at Summerslam after Shawn screwed Taker. Two big Shawn v Taker matches at Ground Zero & Bad Blood which gave Shawn the number 1 contendership. It was Bret v Shawn at Survivor Series no matter what. Dunno why Vince didn't just trust Bret to drop the belt to Shawn, Taker, Shamrock or someone the next night in Ottawa.
@@theringmaster886 the thing is to me Shawn started the whole mess. As we know Bret doesn't mind the belt to Shawn via wrestlemania 12. When wrestlemania 13 was coming up we didn't supposed to get undertaker vs psycho sid for the title. It supposed have been Shawn as champion vs Bret. Shawn supposed to drop to Bret but he fake an injury(lost his smile) so he couldn't defend it. Shawn was for himself and only himself at that time. Remember they had problems with Shawn going out to perform at wm14, knowing he had the back injury and supposed to drop the belt. Now hearing this from Cornette it wasn't about trusting Bret it sounded to me it was all about pleasing Shawn
I was thinking the samething
@@greenleaf2988 you think that back injury was Real? He was gonna sit out his contract and go to WCW, however when his contract expired, WCW was dead, and when the cheques stopped rolling in, suddenly HBKs back was good to go. Amazing timing I think.
Lol that's how "Boss" Undertaker is for strongly suggesting/telling his own boss, the owner of the company, to go and get punched in the face!
“He was like Andre in some cases.. he was bigger than the belt” 🔥
I love Undertaker and Jim Cornette.
@Stephen Joens you must be a Russo fan.
@@VendreadMike95 bro eye invented resssling bro you know what I'm saying bro?
Imagine corny managing the Deadman
@@caseyj8313 , I’d piss myself if I saw the Undertaker with Corny behind him holding the urn and the damn tennis racket. 😂
“ If he was a African American lesbian nun and I was a shaved head nazi Martian from outer space. We could not have been further apart” Cornette on Vince Russo 😂😂 Take a bow.
I think Shawn got off on Bret having to do the job for him...I think it was something Shawn was laughing inside and was like a damn child that had to have his way he knew it was something that Bret didn’t wanna do..both guys were fucking hard headed and had to have their way
The Undertaker is labeled "most dominant force in wrestling history." MY OPINION...the size of Peer Support given by Taker and Respect received from his peers, Retiring Shawn Michaels, and then keeping up and relevant with the greatest YOUNG talents of the past 2 Decades, SAYS HES ALSO THE GREATEST TO EVER STEP IN THE RING. PERIOD.
Shawn and Vince have the weirdest employer/employee relationship.
;-)
Well you know...
Shawn literally kissed Vince on the mouth in public.
Butt buddies
Shawn would have denied Vince his "sexy boy" so yeah 🤣
Exactly, this is why I respect the Undertaker so much. Shawn was such garbage, always pushing to ruin someone's career.
I met jim in 2016 at a WCPW event in Manchester England which featured angle vs Rhodes in the main event. He was staying in character when I said hiya to him so funny hahah. We miss you on tele jim
I was at that same event, I asked Jim to sign my book; Russo wished he could write books like this and he said "no that would take too long" haha.
Jim Cornette is the only man I've ever known that can strap a bucket of... oh wait.
gqn2 no! Finish it 😆😂
The thumbnail would’ve been perfect if Shawn Michaels was crying in the corner
Vince wanted to have Bret leave a loser specifically to Shawn. It was all about Kayfabe. Bret offered to lose to anyone else.
Including Lombardi
And there was nobody else that would have made ANY sense business-wise.
The “core problem” was shawn michaels, plain and simple, the kliq was a disease to the wwf
With regards to The Undertaker stepping in at survivor series I remember having this same conversation with a friend at least 2 years ago and wondered the very same thing why he didn't. To me he was the perfect get out clause to this whole mess as Bret Hart and The Undertaker had nothing but respect and admiration for each other. I thought I was the only 1 who thought this but as it now is the case I infact wasn't The Undertaker himself thought the very same thing.
In hindsight it makes a lot more sense and who knows maybe Bret would've stayed a few years longer
@@malikevans2615 Brett would have still left. The entire point of him dropping the belt is because he was leaving the company to go to WCW for a ridiculous amount of money. Had he not been injured he probably would have been willing to come back to WWF when they bought WCW without hesitation.
There was a more bitter rivalry with shawn. It made more sense from a story telling point that he faces his biggest rival in his last match
Vince didnt want Shawn going to WCW. He had to placate him I guess
There was no mess. There was just a fucking manchild who was a bigger mark for his character than any of the 7 year olds in the seats begging for his sunglasses. Bret Hart WAS NOT A CHAMPION! He was an actor. His CHARACTER was a champion. But he didn't earn anything. He was WRITTEN to be champion. And therefore, he can be written to lose that championship the way the writers want. You would never see Carl Weathers whining like a little Bret Hart bitch that he REFUSED to film the fight were Apollo Creed loses to Rocky at the end of Rocky II.
They ENDED the Bret Hart/Undertaker feud. IT was over. You don't haphazardly throw in two guys who were no longer feuding at the THIRD BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR. After building up the Bret/HBK feud FOR YEARS. You also don't screw over your plans for The Undertaker long term by making him a weak looking short termed champion by having him drop the belt to HBK right after. (Which was also be a big fuck you to everyone that paid $45 for Survivor Series.)
Bret had creative control so he didn’t have to lose to shawn period. Losing to the undertaker would have been a perfect way to go about doing business.
Imagine Undertaker Having Creative Control And Refuses To Lose To Kane Hogan: Brother That's A Dick Move Bret Hart: Bruh You're Worse Than Shawn Michaels Shawn Michaels: Jesus Taker Just Lose The Fucking Match Undertaker: That Sentence Makes No Sense One I Wouldn't Have Creative Control Because A Certain Dumbass Wouldn't Let Me Have It Principal Celestia: I'm An Dumbass? Undertaker Are You That Stupid Kane: Are You Trying To Imply That Undertaker Is Stupid? SMH Undertaker: First Off You Dumb Bitch I'm Intelligent You Must Be A Smark That Hates Charismatic Wrestlers Chyna: Oh My God Hahahahahahahaha This Is The First Time I've Heard Undertaker Say Smark Shawn Michaels: Oh Shit You Pwned Her Principal Celestia: I'm A Smark? Well That Doesn't Surprise Me I Want To See The WWF Fail And All Of You Lose Your Jobs Undertaker: YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!! I Will Beat The Fucking Dog Piss Out Of Your Smarky Ass You Dumb Fuck Kane: Oh Boy Here We Go Vince McMahon: This Would Make For Great Business Using This Feud Between Undertaker And Principal Celestia Triple H: Those Two Clearly Hate Each Other
@cjetelomar2010 so you know what was in his f****** contract
Undertaker would have been a great choice
@UCDFKQOCNUN2pDthZ3s-_ZFw Thats not how this works. You may claim the burden on proof is on you.
1) Bret did not have creative control
2) that Hogan level politicking you’re advocating for and we don’t need more of that.
That would make sense since the undertaker ended up facing Shawn Michaels at the Royal rumble 1998!
Oh dam i was at royal rumble 98 the casket match
It should have went that way anyways, and do remember that back during SummerSlam the former lost the WWF Championship to Bret.
"Vince wanted his guy to get the belt". Which is kind of funny because HBK as champ tanked the ratings.
The stupid thing is, Bret was supposed to be "His Guy", replacing Hogan. He built him up as Champ, had him main event WM9....then had him lose to Yoko, and had Hogan come out and beat the monster Yoko in like 3 seconds. Dumbest ending to a WM ever (outside of WM8). Hart should have survived his match against the unbeatable monster Yokozuna, THAT'S how you tell people "THIS is the new guy". Then have Yoko beat him at Summerslam (which he did over Hogan anyway. Then have Bret get his belt back in the rematch at WM10. Easy peasy.
Vince also wanted Luger to be the next Hogan, OVER Bret, but that didn't pan out, so he went back to Bret. Vince then favored Diesel over Bret...even though the dude held the belt for a nonsensical year, and the ratings were in the gutter during that time. That entire time should have been The Bret Hart Show, when he was at his peak. Then he had Hart drop the belt to HBK at WM12, and surprise surprise, the egotistical male stripper character didn't boost ratings as champ in 96.
Hart easily could have had Vince's company doing better business in the mid 90s, but he KEPT trying to find other people to be "His Guy", instead of the guy he should have stuck with in the first place.
Ratings did start to tank because Shawn wouldn't drop matches none of those arseholes, and cronette says Shawn was all for himself. And then when the screw job news got out and got heat ratings started to tank even more I don't think it was until Austin when it turned around
@@Retrorevelations your fucking right. I love Shawn but he was a fucking unprofessional dick and you stated nothing but facts. Bret not perfect but he is a man's man!
Only an idiot thinks the bad ratings in 1996 had anything to do with HBK. It was an awful product overall. The HBK/Austin build up to Wrestlemania led to Raw ending Nitro's winning streak.
Bret gets a lot of criticism from the kliq and other wrestlers for taking the business too seriously yet HBK is the one that lost his smile, had Taker ready to beat the snot out of him after a match etc.
Why would Bret be criticized for something another group of assholes were doing?
Not mention, the hypocrites don’t realize that they themselves are taking it seriously by making the “time honored tradition” excuse. If it’s not serious, then Bret could leave however he wants and it shouldn’t bother anyone.
@@NastiMarvasti They are hbk fanboys, they believe everything about him ,He is the greatest of all time ,he is a christian so he is a nice guy now, bret had it coming etc . Thankfully Taker had enough and decided to deal with Michaels and his ego.
They call bret bitter ¿Why? ¿Because he is brutally honest ?
I rather listen to someone who tells it like is than two-faced backstabbers like Hbk,hhh,Nash and Hall.
It’s really nice to hear how much Vince loves and cares for Taker and viewed him as an attraction like he did Andre.
Hell in his book Bret said he'd have dropped the belt to Brooklyn Brawler.
Steve Lombardi the Brooklyn Brawler did have the ability to make anyone(pretty much) who got in the ring with him look good even if they were the shits. I say pretty much because I'm sure there's a tape out there of some guy with two left feet that even the brawler can do anything with
I love the thumbnail here, it’s perfect 😂👍
Bret lookin like he’s in South Park 😂😂
Loved the promo where Bret called HHH and HBK homos and said Shawn "barebacked" his way to a main event spot lol
lol link please
@@mrsain19 It's called Shawn Michaels after Bad Blood 1997 idk how to post links
Lol. I'll have to check that out
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@@skincarver1797 copy and paste
I love how everyone wants to retcon Montreal so as to theorize ways it could have been avoided. Which is fine, but people discuss it like it's some blight on the history of the industry (death and drugs serve that purpose). It actually had much utility. The screwjob created the most important character in the attitude era - Mr McMahon. For Bret's part, he got a story that he could carry with him to WCW. They dropped the ball.
As much as your right about wcw dropping the ball and im sure bret would agree with you but wcw set him for life with his pay. But on second though maybe if he never left he never gets kicked in the head by goldberg and has a longer carer. As for the Mr.Mcmahon comment your bang on the money. Great points brother
I agree.
Mr mcmahon is the don of all heels to date, same with stone cold babyface
McMahon vs Austin was the greatest rivalry ever.
McMahon did what was best for business, he played the best heel possible
Yeah, but now here in 2020, not just in Vince's company but in other promotion's the "evil owner" & variations of the Montreal angle has been done & overdone.
But it gradually unfolded the business and broke kayfabe. Not good long term and even Cornette says that
See? Goes to show Taker couldve taught Vince how to be a promoter and a human being. I wouldve loved to have seen a Taker-Michaels match where shawn overacted like he did with Hogan.
LOL. After the 3rd over-sell Michaels wouldn't need to pretend anymore 😂
Taker would’ve fucked him up
Would have hated to be in Earl Hebner's position in the screw job, damn!
Make sure you stretch. 🤣
Which position? Being the referee or selling shirts in the parking lot after the show?
Definitely Man.
Imagine The Screwjob Was Pulled On Undertaker Imagine The Reactions Bret Hart: Taker Has Lost It Undertaker: Which One Of You Dumbasses Did This Shawn Michaels: Oh Shit I Didn't Tell Undertaker That This Would Occur Triple H: That's On You Pal Vince McMahon: Hahahahahahahaha Pal That's Great
Would loved to have seem Taker telling Vince you have to man up & go talk to him & let him punch you in the face!! You have that coming & you owe him that! LOL😂😂🤩
Then also being a fly on the wall hearing Brett screaming from the shower, "Vince I your still out there when I get out of the shower I'm going to punch you in the face"!! Priceless!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shawn had a chip on his shoulder. He wanted the strap like anyone else but taking it off Bret Hart was the goal. He wanted to destroy Bret just out of petty rivalry. Not only would he have the strap he would be seen as better than Bret, added insult to injury especially doing so in Bret's own home, reduced Bret's image, fueled his own ego, and every which other way to flaunt superiority over "The Hitman". That's what it was all about. Shawn just wanted to make Bret beneath him however he could! 🤣
He did the same thing to davey boy smith
Shawn had nothing to do with the decision to make Bret lose.
@@FUGP72 this is a lie
Shawn himself has confirmed to be part
"Oh, I thought he was from State Farm." Jim had me laughing less than a minute in. New record.
I LOVE the Little Easter Eggs they put in the Pic of the Video to What the Story's about, and What they say in the Video, I usually Catch Every One!!! As I'm watching and hear Cornette say "Jake From State Farm" I'm seeing Now in the Video Pic, that they gave Corny a Red Button Shirt, and a Phone, as if He's from STATE FARM!!!!! LOL
Yea. It’s brilliant. I wonder how long the process takes to get these drawings done
Nice to be sober, isn't it!?
The drawings for these videos are hilarious lol.
If you want to know who to believe then just watch the interview bret and shawn did together. 1 guy is precise, consistent and matter of fact when he speaks. The other cant get out one sentence without a massive stutter and constant backtracking and is not the 1 who sustained brain damage.
The Undertaker probably had the greatest working relations inside of the WWE ever.
But to be fair, he probably is the most dedicated wrestler the company had to date.
I think they're all pretty dedicated. You can't be a wrestler if you're not dedicated. Undertaker, unlike most wrestlers, was a stand up guy who stuck to his word. Anybody who has to put as much into their work as a wrestler has to be dedicated.
My favorite story from all of this from what i heard previously, is after taker heard what happen, he stormed up to vince & forced him to face Bret in the locker room. And when bret started whooping his ass, taker stood by & said no jump in 🤣🤣
Imagine If Undertaker Whooped Vince's Ass LOL Oh Boy That's A Beatdown Of The Century
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The Original Montreal Screwjob that Cornette references in the long form podcast w/ Meltzer happened 66 years and 6 months and 6 days before the Screwjob in 1997.
The original Montreal “Double Cross” referenced by Cornette was May 4 1931 and involved Ed “ The Strangler” Lewis.
I'm listening...
Funny how Jimmy the "wrestling historian" didn't bring up something much more recent that Vince had a hand in, like screwing Wendi Richter with a rapid 3 count vs Moolah (disguised as Spider Lady) even though Richter kicked out at 1. Acting like Vince didn't know how to get a belt off someone unwilling/unscheduled to job.
Montreal was a work. Bret Hart practically said so in an inside the ropes interview. "I wish it was a work, then I could go back ten years later and have a grudge match with Vince McMahon." -Bret Hart talking about something that actually happened...audience laughed. He told them the truth for a change but they thought he was joking.
To the commenter who asked about the “original Screwjob” featuring Wendi Richter vs Spider Woman aka Moolah.
That happened in MSG on November 25 1985
Interesting result but not quite as clean.
The time separating that from Montreal was 11 years 11 months 15 days.
Completely unrelated to anything outside of anyone’s interest but my own. My wife was born 11/24/85 so just 1 day earlier
barfo281 - I don’t imply a Vince Jr connection , just a notice of the strange way things can be cyclical & right on schedule.
@@barfo281 he brings that up in an earlier video
It could have been interesting to see if Undertaker was inserted in the main event at Survivor Series 97 and it be a Triple Threat Match. Since Undertaker was cheated at Hell in a Cell due to Kane's interference; you therefore have a reason for inserting the Undertaker. Kane could have interfered again against Undertaker, Shawn pins Undertaker for the win (and the belt). Bret technically does not lose the match, but leaves in disgust because once again, he was "screwed".
awesome, it's just that triple threat matches hadn't taken off yet. Actually, it's a good question to ask, why did so many more gimmick matches and different match types get added in wwf 1998-2000? it seems like there were more match types added at ppvs in those three years than there were in the previous 15 years
i also think in those days triple threat opposed a sort of mano-a-mano storyline especially with a title involved
Wow, I never even thought of that. Funny enough, Taker didn’t have a match at 97 Survivor Series. It would’ve went down better and Bret would’ve gotten by his wish to leave the WWF on a good note.
Triple threat matches are dumb AF. You should never win a belt by getting a fall on anyone but the champion. It would suck slightly less if it went like this. If the first fall is against the champion, the wrestler to score the fall wins. If the first fall is against a challenger, they are eliminated and the match continues with the champion facing the remaining challenger.
@@piperar2014 I have often thought that to in order to give Triple Threat Matches more validity is that in order to win, you must score a fall on each opponent; with maybe a "Champion's Advantage" where the champion only needs to score one fall in order to win the match.
As an out-front Undertaker mark I would've loved to have seen the title go back to him in late '97. But, it wouldn't have been good business for WWF to deviate away from the big rematch between Shawn and Bret. Kind of like Hogan/Flair in 1991/92. They were on a collision course for WM8 and the match was even booked and advertised as the main event at one time, then they scrapped it. Granted, Macho had a better match with Flair than Hogan would've, but fans were majorly disappointed and that situation is still talked about to this day. Obviously Bret/Shawn wasn't nearly as big, but it was the money main event they were building to. Undertaker would've been booed if he beat Bret for the belt in Montreal and they would've lost heat on the Kane storyline, as in how does Taker win that match by pinfall without Kane getting the best of him.
Would've made a lot of sense. Bret drops to Taker at SS, Taker drops to Shawn in the Casket Match at the 98 Rumble, Shawn drops to Austin at WM14
Vince hiding from Bret behind Taker is heelarious.
Vince lucked out getting a "second" Andre for not only for the COMPANY but for himself too!
I find it funny Brett found a way to make Vince wait to get knocked out, imagine standing there in this guys locker room for a solid 15-20 minutes knowing he is going to knock you out when he comes out, hoping he doesn't, but knowing you have to stand/sit here and anticipate it.
Always enjoy listening 💯👍🏼 Thank you 🙏
This was awesome to listen to. Great questions, and great answers.
I would've loved to see a Triple Threat between HBK,Bret & Taker,that would've been money. Taker would pin Bret,who REALLY wouldn't have minded doing the job for Taker & then have HBK beat Taker at Royal Rumble 98
Match already happen
@@KrazyRaiden257
Yeah a dark match
@@CraigSmithII Yeah that should have been on TV
A triple threat match would have been a good solution to avoid that Montreal Screwjob mess.
It would have been interesting to see where Kane would fit in that championship storyline.
Make title changed on dq and Kane interferes and attacking undertaker and the bell run and taker wins by dq due to Kane interference. He drops in raw to Shawn after Kane interferes again.
"Who is your Daddy Montreal ?" - Shawn Michaels
Absolutely love Jim Cornette. His mind is one of the best in the business of wrestling
I'd love to have a good visit with him
“I thought he was from State Farm” 😂
Shawn is forever gonna hear "You screwed Bret" while Bret is beloved by both countries..."sometimes when you win you actually lose,and sometimes when you lose you actually win"
Ladies and gentlemen..dumbest comment ever.
I guarantee not a single person has said that to HBK in 25 years. And no one over the age of 5 EVER said it.
Remember seeing taker in London 2013, better than seeing John Cena who was champ at the time. Taker is goat. Love him
Why does Bret have his glasses on lmfao
Brett refused the cream team so Vince made him pay!
I thank HBK for being a brat and thank Bret for being a baby because without the screwjob Austin v McMahon doesn't happen
Vince was a heel a few years prior during the Memphis angle with Lawler.
I remember the WWF/USWA feud. I really liked seeing the WWF stars coming to Memphis.
Love the content. always consistent.
Damn A new side to this story every year...some reason it never gets old.
I understand what Jim is saying but I think putting the Title on Taker till atleast Royal Rumble or at DX in your house could've worked. You could've had Undertaker get revenge for Summerslam and defeat Bret at Survivor Series and then had HBK vs Undertaker in a Casket match at Royal Rumble still and have Kane interfere and cost him the title just like what already happened except the only difference would be Shawn would be winning the title instead of retaining it like he originally did at Royal Rumble 98.
Even then Shawn wouldn't have the belt for long both because of Austin's popularity and Shawn's back injury he got in that casket match
That makes Shawn Michaels look weak, being the champion for so short a time. Plus, it takes away at least 2 months of build up between HBK and Austin. You don't fuck with the ALREADY BOOKED plans involving Wrestlemania (including the build up) just because Bret is a little bitch and a bigger mark for his own character (and that is what it was...a fictional character) than any of the kids he handed his ugly ass sunglasses to.
Look at it this way..if HBK was not champion until the end of the Royal Rumble, then Mike Tyson likely never happens. And THAT is what turned things around in the Monday Night Wars ratings-wise. It was Tyson that led to the WCW winning streak ending.
Love hearing all these old stories mad props to jim alot ppl dont tell the real truth.
The reason they could not drop the belt to Taker is simply because they waited too long. Vince understandably thought he could solve it down until it got to Brett's last match. By that time something had to happen in that ring that night against the two guys who'd been advertised for that match. If they would've decided to do that earlier I'm sure it would have been just fine with Shawn as long as the belt had a quick turn around. But the real question is... if they put the belt on Taker and then immediately pull it off him on the next Raw or whatever, how does this effect the perception of Taker and his career? Now that is an interesting question because the fans could see Jim as vulnerable or even weak losing that quickly.
Why did I laugh at the State Farm joke!
I’m not even a wrestling fan but I could listen to these stories all day
Whoever draws all this stuff for each episode is my new hero 🔥👌🙌
Honestly, it is so difficult to imagine Undertaker as a transitional World Champion. I don't count his first one as transitional, considering he dropped it to the same guy he beat for it.
I consider most of his runs to be short lived, and rather "transitional" for lack of better word. I could be wrong, but the only extended Taker title run I can think of was the Ministry of Darkness/Corporate Ministry time period. And even then, he'd lose it to Stone Cold, then get it back. Then track suit Rock came back..... lol good shit
He had a transitional run in 99
The Undertaker had two decently long title reigns. He held the WWF championship for 133 days in 1997 and had a 140 day reign with the world heavyweight championship in 2009-2010.
I could be wrong but in 2002 when he was the WWE Undisputed champion he held it for a while.
If undertaker inserted himself in a title match it wouldn’t of mattered with Shawn Michaels thought of because undertaker would have shit on him had he not agreed. If undertaker had gotten a one on one match with Bret he would’ve had the title which means if Michaels kept bitching and complaining undertaker probably wouldn’t have given it to him so it would’ve only heard Shawn Michaels has not gone along with it.
*hurt?
Then he would of probably lost Shawn to wcw as well . Vince didn't want to take that chance I'm sure.
Droid X no I’m straight edge. My phone talker mic failed me.
Bob Lawango how do you figure if Bret was already leaving for WCW I don’t exactly sure that Shawn would have wanted to join the same company that Bret was in. Let alone have to work with Hulk Hogan Who would’ve had creative control over Shawn whining.
It’s funny more I think about it. Dropping back to Taker would have worked pretty well. He could have won hell in a cell. Beat Bret. Him vs Shawn at Rumble in casket match. That could have been Kane’s first appearance. Attack undertaker so Shawn wins belt, set casket on fire etc. So end of 97 would change a few things. But 98 pretty much the same.
I want Jim to be my American dad! Lol he’s hilarious
Bret would have dropped the belt to anyone else on the roster. Undertaker, Austin, anyone. Just not Shawn.
It's not his company though
Glad he didn't drop it to Austin at that time. WrestleMania 14 was fuckin awesome when he won it.
Shawn was the right decision. He was the only heel. Crybaby Bret just didn’t want to lose to Shawn again. He got what he deserved
@@AD-ur1fk why would he want to loose to shawn when shawn wouldnt do it for him when he was suppose to drop it to bret that's when shawn lost his smile speech
@@billzbadd5299 Bret was leaving. You do the honors when you leave. Who cares about Shawn's comments? Bret was supposed to be the smarter of the 2 and he acted just as immature as Shawn did. I can't lose in Canada? You're leaving or more money. Do the job and leave. Shoot on Shawn while in WCW and be done with it.
I’ve heard this story so many times from so many angles, I felt like I was there……. And caught myself correcting Jim about “the garden “ lol
VINCE'S EGO in his own mind had himself convinced he could get what HE wanted out of this finish.. Remember when he booked AUSTIN/HOGAN in 2005 ??? Had HULK come out and do a promo on AUSTIN and everything on RAW Homecoming.
Confirms my view all along. Bret was willing to do business. Anyone who says that Bret said no to everything is just defending Vince’ decision. You can’t blame Bret for not wanting to drop the title to Shawn Michaels. Shawn said he wouldn’t put Bret over and that’s after Bret did the honours at Wrestlemania 12 in the iron man match. Bret lost clean in the middle of the ring. Shawn fakes an injury with the ‘losing my smile’ segment because he didn’t want to lose to Bret at WM13. Anyone with any self respect and dignity would demand that the other person put them over first. I was also disappointed with Vince not trying to keep Bret in the WWE. Just before he signed for WCW, Bret asked Vince to convince him to stay. Vince however said if Bret stayed, he would be doing Jobs for Shawn all year which is ridiculous and so Bret left. Vince went with Shawn because of age, but look what happened after that. Shawn ended up retiring in 1998 until 2002. That would have meant that Bret could have stayed in the WWE, never had to wrestle that idiot Goldberg hurt everyone he worked with. We also would have had Bret for all of the attitude era and eventually the dream match with Kurt Angle. Bret Austin was brilliant and Bret could also have worked with The Rock.
Damn...I'm a little upset now thinking of what could've been had Vret stayed and been a part of the Attitude Era...😮💨
So true
No..he wasn't willing to do business. He wanted things HIS way which was a fucking STUPID way business-wise.
Bret was a little bitch ass mark for his own character. Like the fucking 5 year olds in the audience whining for his cheap ugly sunglasses, Bret Hart actually thought he was a REAL champion. Rather than an actor. He thought he actually had REAL wins and losses in the wrestling business. He didn't. He never WON a single match in the WWF in his life. He was WRITTEN to fictionally win matches.
Shawn has an ego problem and couldn’t put Bret over , Bret had it in his contract to do what he wanted . Shawn just blew Vince hard to get his way and then lied and weeped and cried when Bret called him out face to face. Pathetic .
The thumbnail is too funny 😂😂😂
Undertaker never needed a belt but he had some pretty good feuds for the undisputed title with Brock back in 2002/2003. Remember he beat hogan at judgment day and the chokeslam got botched big time.
That chokeslam was horrible. Like he picked him up and just laid him down
Thumbnail 🤣🤣
I was delighted to hear Taker say this, as it had always been my hypothetical work around to the problem. Vince didn't want to hotshot Austin's win (it had to happen at 'Mania in his mind) so he couldn't replace Shawn with Austin -- though Bret vs Austin at WM14 would have been a better main event given their history. However, that wasn't possible. I understand that Vince wanted Shawn to beat Bret clean so Austin's victory would look more decisive when he eventually beat Shawn, but HBK opened his big mouth and ruined that so...
Dropping the belt to Taker was the obvious solution. Bret has boatloads of respect for him, so he wouldn't complain at all, and since Taker was already in a programme with Kane, it'd be easy to get the belt off him at the Rumble. You barely have to change anything: Taker beats Bret, and then at the Rumble, Shawn goes over Taker. You can have Kane do a run-in and seal Taker in the casket and burn him as before. Afterwards, everything is the same: Austin faces Shawn and Taker faces Kane. Voila.
And Then Undertaker Uses A Talk Box And Says "Kane You Have Sealed Your Own Fate Just Because The Undertaker Can't Talk Normally Does Not Mean I'm Mute And Now You're Going Straight To Hell For Eternal Damnation" HBK: I Find It Impressive That Undertaker Can Still Sound Threatening Even Using An Talk Box
Except it wasn't a solution at all. Only a fucking idiot would give just TWO MONTHS to build up the Wrestlemania main event. With just two months, Mike Tyson doesn't happen. and without Mike Tyson happening, Eric Bischoff's podcast is called 127 weeks or sometihng like that because Raw would not have broken Nitro's ratings winning streak when they did. That was ALL due to the publicity that Tyson brought.
What i want to know .... What did Bret think was going to happen that night? did he honestly think he would win and take the belt to WCW?
I forget what movie I saw that showed the Montreal Screw Job but I remember seeing Vince go into Bret's locker room, you hear some talk, some curses and see Vince holding his eye walking wobbly down the hall. Bret blacked his eye and it was amazingly satisfying to see.
Survivor Series: Hart vs HBK VS Taker, Ties up Summerslam angle, Taker wins.
DX PPV: Taker vs HHH for title, sets up casket match for rumble.
HBK vs Owen
Rumble: Taker vs HBK, goes as it did, sets up Taker vs Kane at Mania
And Austin vs HBK.
That route doesn't screw things up and actually adds to the stories.
Could've worked the rematch the next night with Kane clearing both Bret & Taker
"Acceptable to everyone involved" ............. Except Vince McMahon.
I think the only way you could've done it is put the belt on Taker, have him lose it to Michaels at Rumble, due to Kane interfering. Then Michaels would've lost it to Austin at Mania.
So now there would be more of a reason to fight his brother. Would've made their rivalry even more next level.
HORRIBLE idea. You don't have a TWO MONTH build up for Wrestlemania! Especially back then when title changes were still relatively rare compared to what they were a couple years later. Again...having no build up until late January likely would have meant no Mike Tyson. And considering Mike Tyson is what led to the WWF breaking WCW's ratings winning streak, that would have been horrendous.
I think putting the belt on Taker would have been a great angle and certainly a better way to handle that situation. I never understood why Vince McMahon kissed Shawn's ass so much, because from everything every other wrestler has said in interviews that Vince wouldn't hesitate to send your ass packing if you didn't "play ball". I don't what hold Shawn had on Vince but it just doesn't make sense but I wasn't there so I don't know
He even let Stone Cold just walk away when he had a problem with an angle, but never Shawn. I feel like calling them gay lovers really wouldn’t be too far off.
Vince did not have sexual relations with that man.....?BUT HE WAS UPP ALLL NIGHT!!!
torkll hbk had wife he wsas never gay htuen no hbk ebtt then you
dude vicne was try to help shawn if he let shawn go gus wha he wont get hruit he wotn find god get off drags be dead vicene help hbk dude not ass kisks you odnt let big name like hbvk go
Vince just didn't trust Bret. It really is his fault. He promised Bret creative control and Bret had never let Vince down before. Bret said he would drop it to anyone the next night on Raw (even Michael's), he just didn't want to drop it to Michaels at Survivor Series. It was always going to be the match though. Michaels had beaten Taker at Badd Blood to become the number one contender for Survivor Series. Taker wasn't even in the world title picture due to Kane. Austin had a broken neck and was fighting Owen in his return/revenge Intercontinental title match. They should have had the DQ finish at Survivor Series, then a rematch the next night where Kane goes after Shawn but takes out Bret on accident like HBK took out Taker at Summerslam. That way Bret loses the title the way he won it. That would have been a shocking yet believable ending due to the sheer power and fear Kane had as a character at that point. Bret could have said "I quit" after being screwed again and then gone to WCW as a man looking for justice and respect.
That’s a lie bret wasn’t willing to drop the belt at all to Shawn whether it was ss or on raw the next night. Vince couldn’t afford Bret taken the belt to wcw. Any boss would have made the same decision
@ericlogos that's just silly. There isn't one person who was there who says it was a work. Vince screwed Bret.
The most mind-blowing part of the Montreal thing is how badly WCW used Bret.
The whole point was bret didnt wanna lose in canada
True. But Bret proposed to drop the belt at the garden house show or in the us before or after Montreal .... to taker , to Steve to even the Brooklyn brawler.... anyone but Shawn
It's more than that. It because michaels was an asshole and I think the bigger issue as Corny has talked about before is Shawn wouldn't put him over and never did put Davey over at. They played alot into it