Shamsi Call Two Quranists Kafir For Rejecting the Sunnah and Hadiths
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Shamsi exposes liars
Shamsi is the L I A R … the Quran is from Allah. The book was written centuries after the death of the prophet …it’s pure bidah
Tbh all shamsi does is talk over him and relies on his circus like Maverick said. There’s another video where maverick debates shamsi in a moderated debate and shamsi could not counter his argument logically from the Quran.
@@kombat5006 agreed. You can tell by their words who really had the Quran in their heart and who is a fake.
@@Noname31a true, I’m a Iraqi and I used to be a Sunni Muslim and now I believe in quran alone.
@@kombat5006 same here. Was Sunni. Now just follow only Quran. It’s a complete different faith when you add the fake hadiths
They can't answer a simple question, and they arrogantly insist upon their misguidance, A'uthubillah. This is what ignorance (or maybe intentional deception, Allah knows) looks like, that is why seeking knowledge is compulsory. Anyone who truly studies the Quran will never reject the Hadith because when you fully believe in the Quran, you will have no choice but to follow the Hadith. These people clearly have not studied the Quran. May Allah SWT protect us from ever rejecting the truth when it is crystal clear in front of us, then we have no excuse when we stand in front of Allah SWT on the Day of Judgement.
May Allah swt give us all sincerity & guide us upon the right path which is both the Quran & Sunnah
The Sunna is a lie, the hadiths contradict eachother,Buchari was a deceiver and told lies about our beloved prophet.
I'll stick with the only divine source.
Shamsi can give advice and Dawah but he has no right to call someone’s kaffir.
Shows how much you know, which is absolutely nothing.
@@Mozee854 Teach us then.
Just as you have no right to say what someone can and cannot say.
They reject hadith so they are
Brother Shamsi. Twarkelah for you knowledge and Darwa.
But brother you should start to chill down and let people talk to you, let them finish, listen and give you the time to answer.
But shouting 10 times the same thing when they are arguing therr possition.
At the end its just a chaotic talk with a lot of repeated question, at the samd time as one is answering.
Let people talk till they have made there point and argue after.
Barak Allah o feek.
Shamsi needs to calm down and let people talk. Funny how Shamsi takes pleasure in rebuking verses in the Quran.
This clown is giving a yap at the end when everyone is gone, but before he couldn't speak....
I never heard of Quranist until I started watching these videos. It blows my mind that you will follow the Quran but not the man who brought it to you.
Following a man is shirk.
If u r supposed to follow the man should we have sex the way he did, r we supposed to buy things from stores the way he did
"just relax" when you have no answer 😂🤣😂
Prophet - Is one thats Devinely Inspired.
Messenger - Is one that has been given a message to spread I. E. Scripture.
All Messengers are Prophets but not all Prophets are Messengers. What's my reasoning? 125,000 prophets have been sent down but 125,000 scriptures have not been sent down. Yahya, Zakariyah, Imran were all prophets but Isa was the Messenger. Dawood was a Messenger but Suleman was a Prophet.
EVERY MESSENGER IS A PROPHET BUT EVERY PROPHET IS NOT A MESSENGER
1)A *PROPHET* IS ACCEPTED BY HIS NATION(E.G YAHYA,ADAM)A.S BY VAST MAJORITY AND WHEN HE GETS OPPOSED BE BECOMES A MESSENGER
A *MESSENGER* IS OPPOSED BY MAJORITY OF HIS NATION INITIALLY UNTIL ALLAH MAKES HIM VICTORIOUS BY EITHER DESTROYING HIS NATION(LUT ALEHISALAAM) OR HIS PEOPLE ACCEPT HIM(YUNUS A.S)
2)A PROPHET CAN BE MURDERED(NOT BY HIS NATION AS THEY ACCEPT HIM BUT BY SOMEONE E.G MURDER OF YAHYA ALEHISALAAM BY THE KING OF ISRAEL) WHILE A MESSENGER CAN'T BE MURDERED AS ALLAH SAYS IN THE QURAN "INDEED ME AND MY MESSENGER WILL COME VICTORIOUS" E.G ISA ALEHISALAAM(WASN'T MURDERED AND WAS RAISED ALIVE AND WILL RETURN WHEN ALLAH WILL DESTROY HIS OPPOSERS)
3)A PROPHET FOLLOWS AN OLD SHARIAH(E.G SULAIMAN A.S,ZAKARIA A.S)
*NOTE* ADAM ALEHISALAAM DIDN'T FOLLOW ANY SHARIAH OR GET ANY SHARIAH FROM ALLAH AS THEIR FITRAH WASN'T YET AFFECTED BY SHAITAN AND THEIR JUDGMENT WAS BASED ON THEIR PURE FITRAH(NATURAL SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG AND OBEYING ONE GOD MENTIONED IN THE QURAN)
WHEN A PROPHET GETS A NEW SHARIAH(MUHAMMAD ﷺ) OR AN OLD SHARIAH BUT TO NEW PEOPLE TO WHOME THE SHARIAH IS NEW(E.G YUSUF ALEHISALAAM FOLLOWED THE SHARIAH OF IBRAHIM A.S BUT SENT IT TO THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT WHO WERE UNAWARE OF IT) HE BECOMES A MESSENGER
SO MESSENGER IS A PROPHET BUT WITH SOME UPGRADED QUALITIES.
Shouting here and there....
What is there to learn?
To be honest I don’t agree with how Shamsi goes about talking to people. He has these goonies around him at all time pretty much that just laugh and make noises to embarrass they person he’s arguing with. It’s like he proves them wrong and then he looks around and wants a reaction from the crowd. The aim of teaching people that they are wrong is not to embarrass them. You should teach them respectfully, without your mates following you everywhere.
Abdussalam Safi I understand where you’re coming from because I thought the exact same thing previously and disliked him even opening his mouth. However I’ve come to the conclusion that Shamsi is not purposefully being rude or aggressive, it’s just him being Algerian so it’s his natural ways and also him being passionate about being upon the haq. Once I looked past that, I realised the brother is really about the deen.
Yahya X I was wondering where he’s from, that explains a lot haha. I suppose no one is perfect, not him nor me. We all have flaws
@@Yahya-X doesn't change the fact his behaviour is inappropriate.
@@habibiaboodi many Algerians are like this lol don’t worry
@@AhmedHassan-vq8ou when people are genuinely searching for the truth he has normal conversations. Its only when he's debating people that are stubborn in proving their point and avoiding questions when he starts acting like that watch more of his videos and you'll know what I mean. I'm not saying its right but its understandable.
That is why professional debater don't entertain like this....
I swear the Somalie dude on the left is a theatrical act. Just facial expressions and sarcasm. Like a girl basically
He maybe a transgender 😁😁
@Average Mo shutup
@Average Mo ok simp
@Average Mo Thankyou so much for saying that could have sed it better, God bless you sister
@Average Mo I apologize i didn't realise that , i am very sorry
9:26 TRIGGEREDl lol. may Allah guide them both ameen
Megamind at it again lol
These lot get destroyed by everyone lmao
hes actually an embarrassment
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِندَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
O you who have believed, when you go forth in the cause of Allah, investigate; and do not say to one who gives you [a greeting of] peace (السَّلَامَ) "you are not a believer," aspiring for the goods of worldly life; for with Allah are many acquisitions. you were also like him in the past; then Allah showed his favor upon you, so investigate and confirm the truth. indeed Allah is well aware of all your actions. (4:94)
www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/94/default.htm
No I would call him megahead because he sure has not that big of mind judging from his speech.
@@savashzaynal6502 YOU WROTE : "No I would call him megahead because he sure has not that big of mind judging from his speech."
RESPONSE : is your mind superior, yes or no ?
salam
The way that guy is shouting is ridiculous. Not very islamic at all. If Allah tells us the Quran is detailed then who are we to go seeking none authenticated/authentic hadith? Does not make sense one bit. And how dare he call another man who believes solely in the Quran a Kafir. That is disgraceful.
The title is inappropriate bro, I suggest you change it.
Soemone shouldn’t do takfir easily but in cases like these it’s clear.
@@lolok7999 You completely misunderstood the Takfiri aspect of the Deen. If someone rejects Hadith after they were established for the evidence than they left the fold of Islam.
M M I just said it’s clear In this case
@@MM-mr2gw It is true and we established.I don't why he wrote the title in such a way
@@MM-mr2gwlol what a load of stupidity. Bring verse from quran which says anyone who rejects Hadith is kaafir?
Shamsi lost this one. Seems he doesn't grasp the distinction the other bloke was talking about. And acting the clown didn't really work too well.
No shamsi didnt lose. In a debate if you claim something you need to proof it. Somali made a statement and couldn't prove it and told the other guy he knows the verse. Shamsi asked him the proof/verse and he didn't want to answer because he knew he would lose that one and tried to ask him another question that's completely irrelevant to that situation
@@e.sibonjic shamsi is lost
We as somalis support shamsi over that other jaahil any day. Somaalida Wa Dad muslimeen. Qofkii diinta ka baxa Somaali ma’aha
well said 👌👌👌
Can you please change your name from hassan to a english name , you your somali buddies are not muslim ! You are against islam its clear and mate us in australia are watching shame on your comment shame on your slander and shame on your intelligence
@@MrHout. I'm confused. What are your beliefs?
Sax
Deen before dhaqan, let's not forget. And that doesn't mean we have to love Arab too 😁🤣
Deen before dhaqan 👌🏽
Those guys are going to speaker corner for entertainment and fame expect shamsi may Allah keep shamsi firm on his belief
ameen
These videos are just becoming a joke now. This isn’t dawah. Dawah is to sincerely want to bring people to Islam. How can you want this sincerely when you are just trying to prove they are wrong and polish your ego.
Exactly brother , but fear not , there are brothers who do justice to dawah.
Totally agree. Daawah is to present yourself as the best Muslim through your actions and words. Follow the Prophet Mohammad’s (saw) and Imam’s characteristics. Your behavior Shamsi and many other “daawah” you tubers is loud, arrogant, rude, judgmental and giving the wrong perception of what a Muslim should be.
Shamsi to me is a very bad representation of Islam. He needs to change The way he talks to people Muslim and non-Muslim. No manners at all. Actually comes off very arrogant
Well shamsi is not represents of islam he just prech islam and every Muslim is not represent of islam. islam represent itself. if you are saying he should stop preaching because he he is bad preacher then you should know no one become Muslim by preacher but by Allah gide them again not by the preacher
@@aq-ghost5038 you sound like you are programmed brother. He does represent Islam because he goes around making videos about it all the time, his method for non Muslims can be a deterrent.
Of course Allah is the one who will guide to Islam but there is a reason for people who make dawa . And this is the opposite of dawa
Well said. He lacks manners.
May allah swt guide us all to the straight path
He just comes wanta to ask 20 questions and never answers any. Sad
They made claims and did not come with daliil and they claim to only follow the quran which they do not even know sad!!!
can you answer questions, yes or no ?
salam
Two fool vs a knowledgeable person
you must be a bangladeshi!!
Uncivilized behavior from the dude in curls. That is not a way to discuss. Seriously, there are so many extremists on speakers corner.
In Quran it says Ismael was messenger and the prophet, then which book was he given (according to Samsi)? someone pls answer
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided.
AL Imran 103
Lol read the ayat before lol ??what is the rope of Allah????
@@omarsharif4741 the religion of Allah (Islam)
Shamsi just shouts all the time then looks around to get support from his followers.
It doesn't change the fact that he was right tho.
Im enjoying the famous hyderabadi Mutton biryani
Shamsi exposed them 😂he is a lion 🦁
@@e.sibonjic do you think shamsi is correct ?
[Chapter 7: The Heights, Al-A'raaf, الْأَعْرَاف : Verse 37]
فَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا أَوْ كَذَّبَ بِآيَاتِهِ أُولَٰئِكَ يَنَالُهُمْ نَصِيبُهُم مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا يَتَوَفَّوْنَهُمْ قَالُوا أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُمْ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ قَالُوا ضَلُّوا عَنَّا وَشَهِدُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا كَافِرِينَ
[7:37] And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Those will attain their portion of the decree until WHEN OUR MESSENGERS COME TO THEM TO TAKE THEM IN DEATH, they will say, "Where are those you used to invoke besides Allah ?" They will say, "They have departed from us," and will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.
www.islamawakened.com/quran/7/37/default.htm
Every messenger is a prophet and not every prophet is a messenger. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them
Not necessarily, t
Allah sais prophets were killed , prophets are sent to people so they are messengers also , if a prophet is killed it must be from non other than disbelievers or ,or they are killed by believers because they just dont believe like the jews who tried to kill Jesus
@@yobro6053 you may wanna read my comment again before replying and also read your common as well. " prophets are sent to people so they are messengers also"
These two are the biggest clowns in the park 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So true.
So true 🤡
How can shami say “how are you shouting” when he’s been shouting this whole time
Bro ngl if u go Algeria shouting nd speaking isn’t rude it’s normal like agh u won’t get it until u live there everyone’s nice but it’s kinda like a thing to talk in a loud voice
Arrogance
@@dzlion5188 who cares. The world isn't going to live in a shithole for giving benefit of doubt
These guys are delusional...
No !! A messenger is the one who has a book and revaluation but the prophet is who continues with an existing revaluation , and every messenger is a prophet but not all prophets are messengers. These people don’t even get the most easiest information right.
You cant just say you believe in the Prophet (SAWS) and at the same time reject the authentic ahadeeth 🙄
This isn't how you have discussions, the way this guy is shouting and calling them disbelievers is unacceptable.
So calling someone who rejects the Sunnah a disbeliever is wrong? This disbelief is clear and it’s a must to call it disbelief.
@@grahamgooch7565 and you think the best approach is to call them names ? It'll get them even further away from the truth .
ولو كنت فظًّا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك.
Toufike Mouhcine
*Please tell me when I said you should call them names? Be just when you make a comment*
@@grahamgooch7565 Because the belief in question is the belief in the Quran and submission to Allah, which is what a Muslim is. You don't get to call someone a non Muslim because they disagree with you.
You shouldn't luagh on them, you should make them understand without screaming
Actually the Somali one also was screaming. Like he does every time.
These people refuse to understand Especially the Somali guy he is always there are arguing with muslims.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِندَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
O you who have believed, when you go forth in the cause of Allah, investigate; and do not say to one who gives you [a greeting of] peace (السَّلَامَ) "you are not a believer," aspiring for the goods of worldly life; for with Allah are many acquisitions. you were also like him in the past; then Allah showed his favor upon you, so investigate and confirm the truth. indeed Allah is well aware of all your actions. (4:94)
www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/94/default.htm
@@ironman4093 all religions are human made,and th qoran is just book as other books, or Less.
@@ironman4093 send me your number. We can discuss in this matter
Honestly this Shamsi don is the most annoying creature that there is , if he's confident with his beliefs why does he have to behave like this !!!
He is a teacher educating fools at speakers corner...!
Shamzi brother explain to people who maybe don’t understand or have been taught incorrectly maybe in private would be better may Allah guide us all to the straight path .
How someone who don't even know the name of the Surah (chapter) he's trying to take as a reference identify himself as he is a follower of Qur'an only ? (From his point of view)
Who says you have to have the same opinion about what something means? Yes it’s good to agree but on unclear issues like if there will be another messenger not a prophet is open to opinions
HADITH is BIDAHHHHHHH
😂😂😂
These guys are attention seekers plz dont give them chance
These two are feds bro 🤫
They are munafiquun
and they also seems christian missionary
I also felt they are Christian missionaries. They give off that vibe
Right!! How you that old and don't know the difference between rasul and nabi!?
Aff Soye he’s 2in1
what is a christian missionary
@MrMsalah84 you are munafiq, make tawba and if you dont cry real tears, you still continue to be munafiq
These quranists and hadees rejecters are not muslims...this fitna is in Pakistan as well...started by person call Pervaiz Ahmad...so ullamas in Pakistan declared that they are kafir not Muslims. Full stop ✋
These two are from the group who try and cause confusion amongst the Ummah. May Allah protect us from such mischief makers
you wrote : "These two are from the group who try and cause confusion amongst the Ummah. May Allah protect us from such mischief makers"
response : do you, your imams or sect decide who is confused and who isnt ?
*[Chapter 6: The Cattle, Al-An'aam, الْأَنْعَام : Verse 65]*
قُلْ هُوَ الْقَادِرُ عَلَىٰ أَنْ يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابًا مِنْ فَوْقِكُمْ أَوْ مِنْ تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِكُمْ أَوْ يَلْبِسَكُمْ شِيَعًا وَيُذِيقَ بَعْضَكُمْ بَأْسَ بَعْضٍ ۗ انْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَفْقَهُونَ
[6:65] “Say: ´He possesses the power to send you punishment from above your heads or from beneath your feet, *or to confuse you in sects* and make you taste one another´s violence.´ *Look how We vary the Signs so that hopefully they will understand. ”*
www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/65/default.htm
which sect do you associate with ?
salam
And may Allah swt protect us from the innovators who after the Prophet Saw came with things He, or Allah swt never approved of. The original message is from the Quran, and the sunnah is from fallible human. We muslims do not follow our fathers or forefathers, no, we follow the revelation from Allah swt.
How can you believe another messenger is coming... astaghfirullah
let me show you :
*[Chapter 7: The Heights, Al-A'raaf, الْأَعْرَاف : Verse 37]*
فَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا أَوْ كَذَّبَ بِآيَاتِهِ أُولَٰئِكَ يَنَالُهُمْ نَصِيبُهُم مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا يَتَوَفَّوْنَهُمْ قَالُوا أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُمْ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ قَالُوا ضَلُّوا عَنَّا وَشَهِدُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا كَافِرِينَ
[7:37] And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Those will attain their portion of the decree until WHEN OUR MESSENGERS COME TO THEM TO TAKE THEM IN DEATH, they will say, "Where are those you used to invoke besides Allah ?" They will say, "They have departed from us," and will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.
www.islamawakened.com/quran/7/37/default.htm
CASE CLOSED
SALAM
They're all confused. All prophets are not Messengers. Yusuf (pbuh) was a prophet but not a Messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet (nabi), messenger (rasol) and Imam. I dont get the controversy? Shamesi needs to fix his attitude it's very off putting and deplorable.
focus on topic not the person
Ultimate Truth u quranists got it so twisted. Every messenger is a prophet, but not every prophet is a messenger. After watching this video idk how u still say this. Shamsi dealt with that.
Ultimate Truth did u not here when shamsi clearly said “messengers” was plural and the qurani dude tried making it seem like it was specifically talking about the prophet Muhammad? Ur too blind to realise.
Ultimate Truth no body cares about your personal opinion you’re not a Muslim.
Yousef Ghaneemah No body cares what nonsense you utter with your tongue. You’re not a Muslim.
100% kufar may Allah give Shamsi many reward and keep him in the path of the truth inshallah may all who add additions to the religion may Allah put them in the depth of hell
Technically you´re cursing those who forged hadith and came with additions AFTER the Prophet SAW. Funny isnt it? The original message is only the Quran, whereas hadith was collected YEARS after the Prophet SAW, and He, nor Allah SWT approved of it. This means that your asking Allah SWT to put you and shamshi in the depths of hell. Ironically.
😂Shamsi exposed both.
kamran is asking for more then a year what is the difference between a messager and a prophet 🤦♂️ he is really in dalel mayAllah swt guide him Ameen
are you guided ? yes or no ?
salam
@@ironman4093
Allah swt knows my situation but u should ask yourself how your situation is
@@luqmanmarijanov2252 YOU WROTE : "Allah swt knows my situation but u should ask yourself how your situation is"
let me show you :
HAS ALLAH WILLED YOU, YOUR IMAMS, SECT TO WALK THE STRAIGHT PATH, YES OR NO ?
وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوْلِ شَيْطَانٍ رَّجِيمٍ
[81:25] Nor is it (this Qur'an) the Word of any devil excluded from God's Mercy.
فَأَيْنَ تَذْهَبُونَ
[81:26] Then, where are you going?
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
[81:27] It is nothing other than a Reminder (and instruction) for all conscious beings;
لِمَن شَاءَ مِنكُمْ أَن يَسْتَقِيمَ
[81:28] For any of you who wills to take a straight path (and follow it without deviance).
وَمَا تَشَاءُونَ إِلَّا أَن يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ
[81:29] But you cannot will (to do so) unless God wills, the Lord of the worlds.
www.islamawakened.com/quran/81/29/default.htm
DO YOU, YOUR IMAMS AND SECT THINK THEY ARE GUIDED ?
*[Chapter 43: The Gold Adornments, Az-Zukhruf, الزُّخْرُف : Verse 36-38]*
وَمَن يَعْشُ عَن ذِكْرِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ نُقَيِّضْ لَهُ شَيْطَانًا فَهُوَ لَهُ قَرِينٌ
[43:36] And whosoever turns away blindly from the remembrance(ذِكْرِ) of the most gracious (Allah) (i.e. this Qur'an and serving Allah), We appoint for him Shaitan (Satan - devil) to be a Qarin (a companion) to him
وَإِنَّهُمْ لَيَصُدُّونَهُمْ عَنِ السَّبِيلِ وَيَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُم مُّهْتَدُونَ
[43:37] And indeed, the devils avert them from the way [of guidance] while they think that they are [rightly] guided
حَتَّىٰ إِذَا جَاءَنَا قَالَ يَا لَيْتَ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَكَ بُعْدَ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ فَبِئْسَ الْقَرِينُ
[43:38] Until, when he comes to Us [at Judgement], he says [to his companion], "Oh, I wish there was between me and you the distance between the east and west - how wretched a companion."
www.islamawakened.com/quran/43/36/default.htm
DO YOU, YOUR IMAMS AND SECT DECIDE WHO IS GUIDED AND MISGUIDED. YES OR NO ?
فَرِيقًا هَدَىٰ وَفَرِيقًا حَقَّ عَلَيْهِمُ الضَّلَالَةُ ۗ إِنَّهُمُ اتَّخَذُوا الشَّيَاطِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَيَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُمْ مُهْتَدُونَ
A group He has guided and a group have deserved misguidance; that is because they have taken the devils as Allies(Awliya) besides God; *and they think they are guided!* (7:30)
now do your best to answer my simple 'yes' or 'no' questions
salam
@@ironman4093
For u it's better to care about the day of judgment just follow quran and sunnah and try your best ma salaam
the owner of this account is so odd. why make this the title of the video? are you trying to give shamsi a bad name?
He did call them kafirs
Umm Adam for rejecting THE PROPHET
Arian Ansari Irani he doesn’t believe he’s the last prophet therefore he isn’t accepting his message
@@comedownmachine4682 Let's be honest. I don't agree with Qu'ranist. But they never said that. They assert that there will not be a new prophet, a nabi, and this is from the Qu'ran. But it is possible there will be messengers.
He left both those Muppets with pie on their face. They couldn't even provide a answer and they're saying he ran? 😂🤣 I'm done bro. Khalas.
Ahmed didn't have any proof 🤣🤣🤣🤣 he unsuccessfully got rid of the embarrassment 🤣🤣
45:6) These are Allah's verses that We narrate to you in Truth. In what kind of discourse after Allah and His verses will they, then, believe?8
answer the question
The Qur’an is a book revealed by God that does not resemble hadiths at all.
Nobody can come up with the Qur’an, as for hadiths, they can
Wasn't it sufficient for them? We sent down the book to you, and it would be recited to them?
Answer this question also if you can
14:1 “Alif, Lam, Ra. [This is] the Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that you might bring mankind out of darknesses into the light by permission of their Lord - to the path of the Exalted in Might, the Praiseworthy “- Ponder and reflect on the verse ... the verse is clear and crystal clear ... and it means that the exit of people from darkness to light and then to the straight path is exclusively by the book. ... and people leaving the darkness to the light and then to the straight path is the highest goal, so if the servant attains that, what is our need for the prophetic Sunnah?
Fear God and may God teach you
Is piety scientific testimony or inside the heart?
Answer if you can
And if he was surprised, then he was surprised by their saying
I do not attack you, but I bemoan you association the Sunnah with the Book and I invite you to the religion of Abraham, to be honest, and he was not among the polytheists
If I tell you that prayer, zakat and all acts of worship are present in the Qur’an, then what is our need for the Sunnah?! .....
Do not be from those whom God said:
(42:21) “Do they have any associates (of Allah) who have laid down for them a way pertaining to faith which Allah did not sanction?”
Do not associate with God unless God has revealed authority,
And do not answer me with a demonic answer, such as those who say: Obey God and obey the Messenger, evidence of the existence of the Prophet’s Sunnah. This is a vague answer and the Qur’an is clear and not vague. Sincerely review yourself, you will find the right path with the help of ALLAH
تلك آيات الله نتلوها عليك بالحق فبأي حديث بعد الله و ءاياته يؤمنون "؟
جاوب على السؤال
القرآن كتاب منزل من الله لا يشبه الأحاديث بتاتاً ،..
القرآن لا يستطيع ان يأتي أحد بمثله اما الأحاديث فيستطيعون
"أولم يكفهم أنا أنزلنا عليك الكتاب يتلى عليهم "؟
جاوب على هذا السؤال أيضاً ان استطعت
(الر كتاب أنزلناه اليك لتخرج الناس من الظلمات الى النور بإذن ربهم الى صراط العزيز الحميد) تدبر و تمعن في الآية... الآية واضحة وضوح الشمس... وتعني أن خروج الناس من الظلمات الى النور و ثم الى الصراط المستقيم يكون بالكتاب حصراً لاغير... وخروج الناس من الظلمات الى النور ثم الى الصراط المستقيم هو أسمى الغايات فلو نال العبد ذلك فما حاجتنا بالسنة النبوية ؟
اتقوا الله و يعلمكم الله
هل التقوى بالشهادة العلمية ام بالقلب ؟
جاوب إن استطعت
وإن تعجب فعجب قولهم
أنا لا أهاجمك و لكني أتحسر على اشراكك بالسنة و أدعوك الى ملة ابراهيم حنيفاً وما كان من المشركين
إذا قلت لك ان الصلاة و الزكاة و جميع العبادات موجودة بالقرآن فما حاجتنا الى السنة؟!.....
فلا تكون من الذين قال الله عنهم :
" أَمْ لَهُمْ شُرَكَاءُ شَرَعُوا لَهُم مِّنَ الدِّينِ مَا لَمْ يَأْذَن بِهِ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْلَا كَلِمَةُ الْفَصْلِ لَقُضِيَ بَيْنَهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ "
لا تشرك مع الله ما لم ينزل الله به من سلطان،
و لا ترد علي بجواب شيطاني كاللذين يقولون وأطيعوا الله و أطيعوا الرسول دليل على وجود السنة النبوية فهذا جواب هلامي و القرآن واضح و ليس هلامي فقد أمرنا الله ان نؤمن به و بملائكته و رسله و كتبه .... لا وجود الى السنة النبوية في الإيمان فراجع نفسك باخلاص ستجد الحق باذن الله
Shaman needs to answer the other guys questions and not just keep asking them questions to be fare . Shaman gets excited and starts shouting and screaming like a baby please grow up shamsi
,shamsi , hold on!
The dude in the purple shirt next to shamsi needs to calm down wallahi.. doesn’t bring anything to the discussion but loves interrupting every 2 seconds. Embarrassing behaviour.
I'm not a Quranist, but people make it way too easy for themselves.
If a Jew or Christian told that there is a non-written narration that Isa is God (astaghfurillah), would you believe him?
So when Shamsi leaves then the they talk smack LOL!!!!!!!!!!
By denying the Sunna or "tradition" and practices of the Prophet (pbuh), the "Quranist" has automatically denied the Holy Quran itself.
Indeed, Allah Subhanahu categorically asserts that the Prophet (pbuh) was sent to convey:
the Holy Quran and to teach it, here is the verse:
« It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom― although they had been, before, in manifest error » (s62 :v2)
The verse is clear: the Prophet's mission is to transmit the Holy Quran to Muslims by reciting it, and to TEACH it to them!
Thus the Holy Quran where nothing is omitted, is the "Text + its Teaching" brought by the Prophet (pbuh) himself.
Finally: whoever accepts the Holy Quran and rejects the Sunna, has rejected the Holy Quran itself which commands to follow this Teaching or Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).
In fact, the one who rejects the Sunna after having accepted the Quran, is like the one who accepted the Medicine and rejected its instructions.
For a Muslim, the Holy Quran and the Sunnah are like Medicine and instructions for use.
Now we will see that Prayer, one of the 5 pillars of Islam, obligatory according to the Holy Quran, practiced by Muslims according to the Teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) or Sunnah, 5 times a day throughout the world, is in fact affirmed by mathematical proofs in the Holy Quran.
Here is another proof of the symbiosis between the Holy Quran and the Sunna or Teaching of the Prophet (pbuh):
Allah Subhanahu has clearly stated that the Holy Quran and the Prophet (pbuh) are His Two Lights that He sent to mankind to guide them to Him!
The Holy Quran is a Light from Allah Subhanahu!
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is a Light of Allah Subhanahu!
And why Two Lights instead of One?
Because the Holy Quran, Light and Final Testament of Allah Creator and Master of the Universe, is a Text!
And any text can be subject to different interpretations!
So Mohammed (pbuh), Light and Final Messenger of Allah Creator and Master of the Universe, was, by His Sunnah, the perfect implementation of this Text which is the Holy Quran!
Thus these Two lights that are Mohammed (pssl) by His Sunna that he bequeathed and the Holy Quran, cannot be dissociated!
one cannot believe in the Sunnah without the Quran.
And one cannot believe in the Quran without the Sunnah.
We will now see that the Prayer, practiced 5 times a day, by Muslims according to the Teaching of the Prophet (pbuh) or Sunnah, is in fact affirmed by numerical evidence in the Holy Quran.
Indeed, if we count the number of repetitions of the Koranic Order "أَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ" (perform the prayer), we find 5 times:
This is exactly the number of prayers per day practiced by the Prophet (pbuh) according to what is affirmed by the Sunnah and what Muslims have practiced from generation to generation since the beginning: 5 prayers per day.
Thus this number 5 of the Commandment "أَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ" (perform the prayer) is a divine numerical proof, given directly by the Holy Quran, confirming what Muslims have always practiced.
Confirming that 5 prayers a day is exactly the number of prayers Allah Exalted has prescribed for Muslims!
So this Commandment "أَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ" (perform the prayer) Repeated 5 times
confirms the authenticity of the 5 daily prayers of the Sunnah.
Therefore, those who reject the 5 day prayers are in bad shape!
The digital proof, of the Holy Quran, is here! In front of their eyes!
What do you want more?
Why persist in error?
And we have brought them a book, which we have written in knowledge, a guidance and a mercy for people who believe.
Are they seeking except its interpretation(Hadith)?? A Day comes of its interpretation and they say.
"Those have forgotten before(in the past) The messengers of our Lord came in truth"
"Do we have any intercessors to intercede for us"
?? otherwise
we (will) return to what we used to do!!
Indeed they lost themselves, they lost they where fabricating.
A hadith states that :-
"On that day people will be running to and from looking for an intercessor, until they come to the Prophet Muhammad, who will answer," “I am for intercession”.
The Lord will then ask him to “...intercede, for your intercession will be heard” (Bukhari).
*”* And when it is said to them, "come to what Allah has sent down and to the messenger," (Quran) they say, " We think (reflect) of what we found our fathers doing. *”*
Even though their fathers knew nothing, nor were they guided?
If our verses are read to them, they say "Legends of the ancients." say NO! Rather, the stain has covered your hearts of that which they were earning. say No! Indeed, you are from your Lord that day, obscured.
Who hath announced this from ancient time, and revealed it in the future? is it not your Lord? There is no God else beside Allah
And leave those who take their religion as amusement and diversion and whom the worldly life has deluded.
But remind with the Qur'an, lest a soul be given up to destruction for what it earned; it will have other than Allah NO protector and NO intercessor.
And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
They deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive not.
In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie.
And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."(Sharia-Law)
Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive not.
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know not.
And the ones who hold fast to the Book and keep up the prayer, surely We do not waste the reward of the righteous doer.
And when we mastered the mountain over them like a shadow, they thought it was falling onto them. "Take powerfully what We have brought you, and remember what is in it, that possibly you would be pious.".
Dont accept anything from Anyone without any knowledge, The hearing, the sight, the heart are All of these(senses) are responsible to question, examine, and to judge
Brother the part about Sharia law you are mistaken. Sharia means law and specifically Islamic law and about verse of the surah Al baqarah that says "do not cause corruption on earth" and goes on to say "we.are not but reformers" it doesn't refer to Sharia law. Sharia law itself are Islamic rulings derived from the Quran and the Sunnah, you can not say the Quran and Sunnah will lead to corruption. You are distorting the meaning of the verse. Please do not deviate from the Sunnah and the Quran and do not interpret the Quran based on your own subjective opinion. Our understanding of the Quran should be limited to the context it was revealed in and how it was understood by the sahaba and the scholars and the Hadiths which ever may be relevant or explanatory of the verses. You should edit the text inshallah so not to cause fitnah and .make them assume Sharia law is somehow evil as the west potrays.
@naj hussain first and foremost I did not tell him to remove the comment but now that I reread it I should have. I could not understand it but I can see it's full of distortions
"وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۖ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ - "
And We sent not before you, [O Muhammad], except men to whom We revealed [the message], so ask the people of the message if you do not know. 21:7
This verse commands us that if we do not know something that we should ask the "ahlu dhikr" which are the scholars.
What was my point? My point was that he made a mistake and I explained and I told him.to edit the text and remove that part so not confuse other's. But now after reconsidering I think this whole comment is a bunch of distortions that's trying to invalidate the Hadith.
As for you I will say the following. The Quran is for everyone, ponder what you must but when it comes to matters of religion we always should refer back to the scholars and the Quran and the Sunnah. The Sunnah is for example, the Quran command us to pray... The question is how? Do we pray according to our understanding or do we follow our prophet who was the best amongst all mankind and the purified one, the one who was chosen to lead the ummah and receive revelation. Is there something you know that our prophet doesn't? Absolutely not. To reject the teaching of the prophet (pbuh) is to reject Islam
Also when you say man made Hadith are you a scholar of Islam? Did you study Islamic jurisprudence? Who are you to validate or invalidate Hadith? This is a matter for the scholars. be humble and respectful towards others.
The Quran says "لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا - "
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often. 33:21
Within this verse it tells us that if we pursue the mercy and acceptance of Allah and we want to succeed in the next life we should follow our prophet may peace and blessings be upon him. The Quran says to that our prophet was highest in character and best example.
As for the Quran it is clear however if you don't understand Arabic and Arabic grammar and you rely on translation I can tell you that English translation of the Quran is not accurate. The Arabic language is very different than the English language and it doesn't translate well.
Lastly, If you read the Quran it is beneficial to you and a good deed. You should always try to understand the Quran and it's meaning. This doesn't mean you should start to interpret the Quran according to your "intellect" . Trying to understand something is different from making your own interpretations. When you make your own Interpretations it can lead to mistakes like this comment. Not every verse in the Quran is clear and mistakes can occur. This is why we study translation from scholars like ibn kathiir and others. Unless you have researched the Quran as a whole and it's history with context in a scholarly manner it is not up to you to give commentary on the Quran. The people who study the Bible make their own conjecture and in 325 AD 381AD they declared Jesus God and then holy spirit God based on their own interpretation although there is no unambiguous verse that deifys Jesus and the holy spirit (Angel Gabriel). This is why we stick to the Sunnah (teaching and saying of our prophet) so that we don't deviate from what is haqq(truth/right).
We read the Quran and we do us our Lord commands us. If we are told to pray we pray. How do we do this we go back to the Sunnah if the Quran doesn't explain which it doesn't in detail. We have record from classical scholars, and those classical scholars learned from the companions and those companions learned directly from the prophet. Which of these records is valid or invalid? That is not a matter for you or I. We study from the scholars who have devoted their lives to study the teaching of the Quran and traditions of the prophet (Fiqh) we do our best to stick to Allah's commands and inshallah Allah will reward us as such and we don't become separatist who reject the prophet and his saying. We follow the Hadith which are agreed upon to be true and authentic..we trust that the companions such as abu huraira were not liars. Or do you reject the companions too?
@naj hussain I hope you seen my previous comment and inshallah next time don't jump in to conclusions be respectful to others and follow the scholars and do not become an innovator by adopting the mentality of seperatist. You have falsely accused me, don't you fear Allah? You said narration of the companions are man made insinuating they are false from my understanding. Don't you fear Allah almighty. Perhaps next time you will consider your actions and your beliefs and if you don't just know that you will pay recompense in the day of judgement for the wrong you cause your brothers in Islam.
@Yonis Ali this naj Hussein and the Messiah guy are both lost. Hadith is the second most authentic book of Muslims. They are records which have been narrated by the companions based on the teaching of our prophet and we do not reject the traditions and rulings of our prophet because he is the one Allah has sent to perfect good character and to lead by example as he is chosen by Allah and he is the purified one. Also wether the Hadiths are authentic or not is a matter for scholars and it's not for the everyday Muslim to decide what is right what is wrong. This is how corruption starts when we start making up our own judgement as we go along. But our prophet has said any innovation is rejected and those that deviate from the prophet are not amongst his ummah. There is a Hadith that people will show up to the prophet on the day of judgement and they will be turned away by Allah and the prophet will say my people my people. But Allah will say they are not your people, you don't know how they have innovated after you. There is another Hadith that Muslims will be divided in to 73 sects and only one will be in jannah. Who are they? According to unanimous understanding of the scholars it's those who follow the Quran and the example of the prophet and do not deviate or invent or corrupt his teachings. This is why the the scholars study the Quran and this is why books have been written on this. so that we can learn and understand how the Quran was understood by the companions. Also to extract rulings from the Quran because at the end of the day if there is a problem or a question we go back to the Quran and Sunnah
M Knine If what you say is true the Quran states Jews say Uzair is the Son of Allah and The Christians say The Messiah is the Son of Allah
Who is Uzair?? What did your forefathers say?? Your rightly guided who were appointed by men and not God??
7:55 I got I got I got it. This is the problem with the Quranist, instead of following the teachings of Rasulallah pbuh they try to come up with their own logics.
salam, can you tell us where the teachings of Rasulallah are ?
@@ironman4093 wa aleykum salam wa rahmatullah I wa barakatu. In the sunnah which you can find in the hadiths. There are many good books that you can read I can check it out and give you some reference if you want.
Anyone else non Muslim here that just watch Shamsi to see how passionate this guy is? I think I’m the only one.
probably, but that's good, may Allah guide you.
@@amina8992 born Sikh, thought Christianity is the way. Now I'm confused, till I can prove or find evidence, then I'll believe.
@@r3mb1a12 In sha Allah, you will be guided to the truth. if you really watch Shamsi, then you would know that Christianity, which many follow today, is different from what the bible says. If you haven't, I recommend you to at least watch. Even if you'll remain Christan, you should see them.
Amina Muhammed I’m going to keep watching. In my opinion, Shamsi seems scary person to talk to. But I want to know the truth. I want to be as passionate about a religion that makes sense. I’m currently agnostic because I can’t answer some of the questions of Christianity but I will find my way. Through Shamsi, I notice many Christians have their own interpretation of God and the Bible, in comparison to Islam from what I see. Forgive me if I’m wrong.
@@r3mb1a12 And I respect that. Many people don't study the religion they were born upon. I believe if you are sincere (which I believe you are) he would take you seriously and talk to you nicely. but if you watch his videos debating Christians, they always there to speak ill of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and you don't seem to be one of those. Shamsi is a nice and respectful person.
In one video they said they don't believe that prophet ayoob a.s.name is not in Quran and he( Ayoob a.s)is not a prophet. استغفراللہ۔ ..
There is no difference between prophet and messenger. In some verses Allah calls the prophet als Nabi, in other verses als Messenger.
The title is ironic because Shamsi is not a Quranist however the moment he speaks with a Shia he becomes a Quranist.
Because the Shias reject the Sunni books of Hadith and the Shias like you use history books over anything so the Quran is the common ground that none can reject.
mohamed amer No bro the Shias use hadiths which both agree on. Both agree on Ghadir Khumm because it is mutawattir but not both agree on interpretation. They also both agree on Asbab Al Nuzul so Shamsi should really accept the challenge with Quran and hadith. Honestly you can disagree but I am seriously not convinced by Shamsis method and I won’t ever agree. I am surprised that he accepts the Salafi ideas too because how can he say Allah has created a throne which can carry him or how can Allah create something that can contain his foot (hell)? If the Salaf did not believe in these limitations (I know they say these are not limitations) then it would be 1 million more times possible for me to be Salaf these are the reasons and so if he sincerely wants to convince people that he is right he should be confident no matter if Quran is used or Quran with hadith and he also uses the Bible against the Christians by the way and they don’t claim to him but he doesn’t like hadiths (asbab al nuzul) for Quran as soon as it comes to the Shias and those hadiths are not even disagreed on.
mohamed amer Let me give you an example of where he is fair with the Christians by using the Bible and then unfair becoming a Quranist only with the Shias when both Shias and Sunnis agree on Asbab Al Nuzul (cause of revelation) on the majority of verses. Take the example of 33:33. Shamsi says this verse includes the wives in Ahlulbayt and Shias say the asbab al nuzul proves this wrong. Subhanallah I was amazed when I found out that Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Hussain peace be upon them were under a cloak (kisa) for this and subhanallah it is like Allah knows what we will debate about in the future because Allah caused a specific detail to happen which decides it between Sunnis and Shias where one of the wives (I think it was Um Salama don’t remember) wanted to go under the cloak with them but the prophet (saws) had told her that she was good but she has her place. Okay now what about other hadiths which attack the character of Muawiyah and whoever hated Ali? The hadith is agreed on by both Shias and Sunnis where the prophet (saws) said that no one loves Ali except a believer and no one hates Ali except a hypocrite. Did you know this hadith is not only in both books of Shias and Sunnis but for the Sunnis it is in Sahih Tirmidhi, Sahih Muslim AND Sahih Bukhari? That is pretty amazing and I understand why Shamsi is better using the Quran only to argue for his case because the moment you look at the hadiths both people agree on and is mutawattir then things are game over.
mohamed amer Bro sorry my comments got a bit long so I’m going to summarise and please be adil (just). Christians *Shamsi uses Bible and Christian can refute a verse he gives with another verse*. Shias who use things Sunnis agree with *Shamsi complains instead of refuting like how the Christian complains and says he can give another verse to prove him wrong* and here the difference is that the Bible only they agree with but with hadiths about asbab al nuzul and mutawattir both Sunnis and Shias agree with so where is the fairness brother? Don’t defend him if he is wrong because this is hypocritical action and people believe he is right because of so many in comments saying wrong things. If the Christian would become like Shamsi they would say “only use verses in Bible that are same as verses in Quran” but he doesn’t do that.
My man still wearing the same Adidas jacket. His arguments are as old as his fashion sense.
Astaghfurallah. So a messenger conveys an existing revelation... they're basically claiming the Holy Quran existed before our beloved messenger Muhammad ﷺ .
Allah swt has chosen your religion and perfected it for you so why would there be another messenger 🤷🏽♂️
Read Surah 3:81 And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
It's a possibility that a Messenger comes to confirm the books but no new prophet comes.
@@unknownsource5787 Hmm, I'm not sure about this and I don't deny hadith. Why would the Qu'ran need confirmation? It is already in the hearts of many.
@@deistormmods read the above comment again though. It's interesting.
The inventor of the quranists reformists was a kafir himself he called him self the prophet of the covenant.
@@unknownsource5787 are you feeling ok mate
*Messengers receive revelation..*
EVERY MESSENGER IS A PROPHET BUT EVERY PROPHET IS NOT A MESSENGER
1)A *PROPHET* IS ACCEPTED BY HIS NATION(E.G YAHYA,ADAM)A.S BY VAST MAJORITY AND WHEN HE GETS OPPOSED BE BECOMES A MESSENGER
A *MESSENGER* IS OPPOSED BY MAJORITY OF HIS NATION INITIALLY UNTIL ALLAH MAKES HIM VICTORIOUS BY EITHER DESTROYING HIS NATION(LUT ALEHISALAAM) OR HIS PEOPLE ACCEPT HIM(YUNUS A.S)
2)A PROPHET CAN BE MURDERED(NOT BY HIS NATION AS THEY ACCEPT HIM BUT BY SOMEONE E.G MURDER OF YAHYA ALEHISALAAM BY THE KING OF ISRAEL) WHILE A MESSENGER CAN'T BE MURDERED AS ALLAH SAYS IN THE QURAN "INDEED ME AND MY MESSENGER WILL COME VICTORIOUS" E.G ISA ALEHISALAAM(WASN'T MURDERED AND WAS RAISED ALIVE AND WILL RETURN WHEN ALLAH WILL DESTROY HIS OPPOSERS)
3)A PROPHET FOLLOWS AN OLD SHARIAH(E.G SULAIMAN A.S,ZAKARIA A.S)
*NOTE* ADAM ALEHISALAAM DIDN'T FOLLOW ANY SHARIAH OR GET ANY SHARIAH FROM ALLAH AS THEIR FITRAH WASN'T YET AFFECTED BY SHAITAN AND THEIR JUDGMENT WAS BASED ON THEIR PURE FITRAH(NATURAL SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG AND OBEYING ONE GOD MENTIONED IN THE QURAN)
WHEN A PROPHET GETS A NEW SHARIAH(MUHAMMAD ﷺ) OR AN OLD SHARIAH BUT TO NEW PEOPLE TO WHOME THE SHARIAH IS NEW(E.G YUSUF ALEHISALAAM FOLLOWED THE SHARIAH OF IBRAHIM A.S BUT SENT IT TO THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT WHO WERE UNAWARE OF IT) HE BECOMES A MESSENGER
SO MESSENGER IS A PROPHET BUT WITH SOME UPGRADED QUALITIES.
Did he say Qur'an is destroyed ,someone should remind him difference between Qur'an and hadith
He said qurani destroyed bro
the messenger came with new religion and the prophet doesn’t and all of them can receive revelations
Bro we say a new revelation not a new religion. Because all prophets have one religion which is Islam. Jews had to follow Jesus when he came not to stick to Judaism and Christians and Jews were supposed to follow prophet Mohammed p.b.u.h
6.38min lol....lost his wind.
A MESSENGER ISNT ALWAYS A HUMAN
When One of them say something which is wrong and incorrect his friend defend him to stay on his djahl instead of telling him listen brother you’re wrong on this and explain but they just want entertainment as I said on my first comment
shamsi dont you believe that Isa Ibn Maryam will return as a prophet ? According to sahih muslim hadith nabiullah Isa ibn maryam will decend. so what you on about ?
Prophet Issa a.s will come but not as a messenger neither as a prophet but as a follower of prophet Muhammad s.a.w as Allah promised ..
Hope this helps you
@@omarionshev798 Yes, exactly. Isa (AS) already revealed his message, the Injeel. He will not bring a new revelation.
shamsi needs to teach them instead of calling them kufars! screams like a mad man. teach them man and chill
They are not here to learn but cause chaos and doubts on every Jo.
@@MM-mr2gw naa they were not, shamsi was laughing at them when they didnt knew, he needs to relax and talk to them. calling names and screaming wont help anyone.
you wrote : "shamsi needs to teach them instead of calling them kufars! screams like a mad man. teach them man and chill"
response : shamsi cant teach us nothing, fact.
الرَّحْمَٰنُ, عَلَّمَ الْقُرْآنَ
THE ALMIGHTY. *It is He who teaches the Qur’an.* (55:1-2)
96:1 Read in the name of your Lord who has created.
96:2 He created man from a clot.
96:3 Read, and your Lord is the Generous One.
96:4 THE ONE WHO TAUGHT BY THE PEN.
96:5 HE TAUGHT MAN WHAT HE DID NOT KNOW.
فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ فَرِجَالاً أَوْ رُكْبَانا ً فَإِذَا أَمِنتُمْ فَاذْكُرُوا اللَّهَ كَمَا عَلَّمَكُمْ مَا لَمْ تَكُونُوا تَعْلَمُونَ
But if you are in a state of fear, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, THEN REMEMBER GOD AS HE HAS TAUGHT YOU WHAT YOU DID NOT KNOW. (2:239)
يَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا أُحِلَّ لَهُمْ قُلْ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَمَا عَلَّمْتُمْ مِنَ الْجَوَارِحِ مُكَلِّبِينَ تُعَلِّمُونَهُنَّ مِمَّا عَلَّمَكُمُ اللَّهُ فَكُلُوا مِمَّا أَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُوا اسْمَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ
They ask you what was made lawful to them, Say: "ALL THE GOOD THINGS HAVE BEEN MADE LAWFUL FOR YOU, AND WHAT THE TRAINED DOGS AND BIRDS CATCH, YOU TEACH THEM FROM WHAT GOD TEACHES YOU." so eat from what they have captured for you and mention the name of God upon it, and be aware of God. God is swift in reckoning. (5:4)
case closed
salam
Angels r messengers
7:35 O Children of Adam, when messengers come to you from amongst yourselves and narrate to you My revelations; then for those who are aware, and upright, there will be no fear over them nor will they grieve. Anyone can be a messenger
I’m a neutral and Shamsi seems like a bit of a clown. False as well
He's not false
“WE MADE RHE ANGELS MESSENGERS AND IF YOU MAKE THE GOD YOUR LORD THEY WILL SEND YOU GOOD TIDINGS OF THW GARDENS” ARE ANGELS DEAD OR DONE WORKING? NO MESSENGERSHIP IS STILL GOING OBEY THE MESSENGER
Messengers enforce legislation and laws ,a prophet preaches the word or revelation,you can be a prophet and not a messenger, but you cant be a messenger and not a prophet
To be a true Muslim you have to have a pure heart. The guy with the green hat i have seen him many time and he does not have a pure heart... most people commenting here do not have a pure heart. Look within yourself not others
سالك الاخ شمسي من ان النبي هو الذي يتلقي الوحي.
الصومالي والذي معه لايوجد لديكم دليل. لانه كرره لكم السؤال.
سبحان الله.
توبوا الي الله. والله غفورا رحيم
Well here are some Quran verses that show Prophets receive scripture from God:
3:81 And God took a covenant from the prophets: "For what I have given you of the Book and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him." He said: "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?" They said: "We testify." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."
2:213 The people used to be one nation, then God sent the prophets as bearers of good news and warners, and He sent down with them the Book with the truth so that they may judge between the people in what they were disputing. But after receiving the clarity, the people disputed in it due to animosity between them. And God guided those who believed with His permission regarding what they disputed in of the truth. And God guides whoever He wishes to a straight path.
3:79 It is not for a human that God would give him the book, the authority, and the prophethood, then he would say to the people: "Be servants to me rather than to God!", rather: "Be devotees to what you have been taught of the book, and to what you studied.
Shamsi is just shouting here, rather than trying to engage in a productive discussion.
Now, prove to us that the messengers do not receive revelation.
@@Mozee854 I didn't say that, messengers can also be prophets
@@ka3651 ok. Bring evidence that messengers are not prophets.
@@Mozee854 I didn't say that. A messenger can also be a prophet, e.g. Muhammad or Musa (19:51).
@@ka3651 so name me a messenger who was *not* a prophet.
I dont know why shamsi cant wait to hear the answer
Because they don't able to give proper answer to shamsi question
The most rule for da3wah, don't try to convince jaheel
Because he is from Algeria 😂.
People will be more able to figure out the difference between "Prophet" term and "Messenger" term if they read the Quran in Arabic and this show the importance of getting new translation if Quran which considers one of the main features of Quran which is Quran is clear and free of contradictions book, this feature is about the Quran words and how each word has its own unique meaning and there is nothing called synonym between Quran words.
Quickly, I will talk about Prophet and messenger terms from Quran perspective:
1-Prophet: means the one who receive news from god and convey them to others, so Prophet could receive different news from God like prophecies, teaching, laws, Guidance, wisdom, stories of old nations...etc and not necessarily all prophets receive all types of news as few prophets like Mohammad, Jesus and Moses received all types of these news from God as stated in Quran, Gospel and Torah while most of prophets receive always prophecies and don't receive new laws and teachings..
Prophet Mohammad is the seal of the Prophet consequently there will be no more prophet after prophet Mohammad and no more holy books after the Quran.
2-Messenger: means the one who convey god message to others and this message could be new message which inspired by god to this messenger and in this case this messenger consider prophet as well and this type of messengers ended by death of prophet Mohammad, while other messenger will convey the existing message as stated in the existing holy books and any new messenger afterword Prophet Mohammad death will be from this type.
Notice that Lot and Joseph were messengers but not prophet.
Regarding verse 57:25 , notice that verse uses "With them" and doesn't use "on them" which means that these books are not necessary to be inspired to each messenger as many messengers will use and refer to existing holy books which inspired to other prophets
"We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.(57:25)".
Weren't Lot and Joseph (as) given Prophethood in verses 6:83-89.
The 18 names in verse 6:83-89 were given Prophethood and Idrees (as) in 19:56. Muhammad (saw) was the Seal of the Prophets and i think 3:81 is confirming the Seal of the Prophets.
Salaam.
@@Love-Allah-So-Much
I will explain to you in Arabic why verses 6:83 to 6:89 don't mean that all people who are mentioned in these verses are prophets, let me know if you don't know Arabic so I can translate it into English?
1-لوط عليه السلام كان رسولا وقد اكدت ذلك الكثير من آيات القرآن الكريم .
2- جميع آيات القرآن الكريم لم تذكر ان لوط كان نبي بما فيها مجموعة آيات سورة الانعام 84-89 التي جئت انت على ذكرها وذلك للاسباب التالية:
اولا: لو تدبرت الآية 16 من سورة الجاثية:
" ولقد اتينا بني اسرائيل الكتاب والحكم والنبوة ورزقناهم من الطيبات وفضلناهم على العالمين (الجاثية:16)"
لوجدت ان الآية قد اشارت ان الله عز وجل قد آتى بني اسرائيل الكتاب والحكم والنبوة فهل يعني ذلك ان كل بني اسرائيل هم انبياء، الجواب بالتأكيد لا فالآية الكريمة قد جمعت الكتاب والحكم والنبوة لتشير ان الله عز وجل قد آتى بني اسرائيل الكتاب وآتي بعضهم الحكم وآتى بعضهم النبوة، فالآية هنا تتكلم عن مجمل ما آتاه الله عز وجل لبني اسرائيل وتترك تفاصيل ما آتاه الله عز وجل للبعض منهم الى الآيات الاخرى التي تناولت بالتفصيل ما آتاه الله عز وجل لبعض الافراد من بني اسرائيل ومنهم انبياء بني اسرائيل.
ثانيا: للتأكيد على ما ذهبنا اليه في النقطة الاولى دعنا نتطرق مثلا لداوود عليه السلام، فداوود في القرآن لم يؤتيه الله عز وجل النبوة بل آتاه الملك والحكم والعلم والدليل على ذلك في كثير من آيات القرآن الكريم ومنها الآية 251 من سورة البقرة:
" فهزموهم باذن الله وقتل داوود جالوت واتاه الله الملك والحكمة وعلمه مما يشاء ولولا دفع الله الناس بعضهم ببعض لفسدت الارض ولكن الله ذو فضل على العالمين (البقرة:251)"
ومع ذلك فداوود جرى ذكره في مجموعة آيات سورة الانعام 84-89 فهل يعني ذلك ان داوود نبي، بالتأكيد لا ولمزيد من التأكيد على ان داوود ليس نبي دعنا نرجع للآية 163 من سورة النساء التي جاءت على ذكر كثير من انبياء بني اسرائيل ومنهم النبي سليمان عليه السلام (ابن داوود) واستثنت داوود منهم لكنها ارفقته في نهاية الآية لتشير ان الله عز وجل قد آتاه زبورا :
" انا اوحينا اليك كما اوحينا الى نوح والنبيين من بعده واوحينا الى ابراهيم واسماعيل واسحاق ويعقوب والاسباط وعيسى وايوب ويونس وهارون وسليمان واتينا داوود زبورا (النساء:163)".
اذن الآية 89 من سورة الانعام لا تعني ان جميع من ذكروا في الآيات السابقة ابتداءا من الآية 84 هم انبياء.
دليل آخر يبين لنا وحدة بناء آيات القرآن الكريم نجده في الآية 79 من سورة الانبياء:
" وداوود وسليمان اذ يحكمان في الحرث اذ نفشت فيه غنم القوم وكنا لحكمهم شاهدين (الانبياء87) ففهمناها سليمان وكلا اتينا حكما وعلما وسخرنا مع داوود الجبال يسبحن والطير وكنا فاعلين (الانبياء:79)"
التي احتوت على كلمة "كلا" لتأكد ان الله عز وجل قد آتى داوود وسليمان حكما وعلما ولاحظ ان الآية لم تأتي على ذكر النبوة مع ان سليمان عليه السلام كان نبي ولو جاءت على ذكر النبوة لما احتوت على كلمة "كلا" لان داوود ليس نبي.
مما سبق يتضح لنا ان آيات القرآن التي تتكلم عن العموم لا تعني الجميع بالضرورة والطريقة الوحيدة لمعرفة ماهية الخاص هو بالرجوع الى الآيات التي تناولت الحالة الخاصة لكل رسول ونبي على حدا.
فمثلا جميع الآيات التي تناولت ماهية لوط عليه السلام لم تأتي على ذكر انه نبي او ان الله عز وجل قد آتاه النبوة ومن الامثله على ذلك الآية 74 من سورة الانبياء التي اشارت ان الله عز وجل قد آتاه الحكم والعلم ولكنها لم تشر انه قد أوتي النبوة:
" ولوطا اتيناه حكما وعلما ونجيناه من القرية التي كانت تعمل الخبائث انهم كانوا قوم سوء فاسقين (الانبياء:74)"
فالقرآن الكريم عندما ينسب مجموعة اشياء معينة الى مجموعة ما فليس من الضرورة ان تكون هذه الاشياء جميعها من نصيب كل فرد في هذه المجموعة بل تعني ان بعض افراد هذه المجموعة قد نال بعض او كل هذه الاشياء..
لكل كتاب اسلوبه وطريقته وكذلك القرآن ولمعرفة اسلوب القرآن علينا اخذ جميع الآيات ذات الصلة وانا قد تطرقت للآية 16 من سورة الجاثية لأبين لك انه ليس بالضرورة ان يحصل كل فرد من المجموعة على جميع الاشياء التي أوتيت لهذه المجموعة وأكدت لك بأن القرآن اذا اراد ان ينسب كل هذه الاشياء الى كل فرد من المجموعة فانه يضيف كلمة "كل" كما في الآيات التالية:
فلما اعتزلهم وما يعبدون من دون الله وهبنا له اسحاق ويعقوب وكلا جعلنا نبيا (مريم:49)"
"ووهبنا له اسحاق ويعقوب نافلة وكلا جعلنا صالحين (الانبياء:72)"
" ففهمناها سليمان وكلا اتينا حكما وعلما وسخرنا مع داوود الجبال يسبحن والطير وكنا فاعلين (الانبياء:79)"
ومثال اخر بالاضافة للأمثلة السابقه نجده في الآية 31 من سورة يوسف والتي استخدمت كلمة "كل" لتؤكد ان امرأة العزيز قد آتت كل واحدة من النساء سكينا ولاحظ هنا ان الآية لم تأتي على استخدام صيغ اخرى ك "وآتتهن سكاكين" بل فصلت وبينت ان كل واحدة من النساء قد اعطيت سكينا لذا استخدمت كلمة "كل"
" فلما سمعت بمكرهن ارسلت اليهن واعتدت لهن متكا واتت كل واحدة منهن سكينا وقالت اخرج عليهن فلما راينه اكبرنه وقطعن ايديهن وقلن حاش لله ما هذا بشرا ان هذا الا ملك كريم (يوسف:31)"
هذا هي طريقة القرآن في صياغة وتوضيح آياته وكيفية استخدامه لكلمة "كل" للتأكيد بان جميع المذكورين قد أوتوا تلك الاشياء...
@@realislam3838 na brother i don't understand Arabic, just recently started reading Qur'an and trying to learn Arabic Insha'Allah. Are you saying that all the names mentioned in 6:83-89 aren't Prophets?
@@Love-Allah-So-Much
No , I say not all of them were prophets, I will translate it into English tomorrow Inshalah and share it with you my brother
shamsi is a child, emotions means you lost
These two hadith rejectors are clowns and kafirs
If Shamsi is the child then those kufar quaranist couldn’t answer a child… how pathetic 😂
Messengers recieve revelations and deliver the message or scripture, they don't necessarily explain the full contents of scriptures
Prophets on the other hand interpret the scriptures to the people to explain to them what the correct understanding is
Dawood was given the zabuur what is zabuur from Arabic language construction? = Keys to unlock
Dawood was given knowledge to understand the scriptures presant not a new message, that's why he's referred as a prophet and not a messenger, biblical and Jewish sources state he was given the Psalms and that was a revelation but according to Quran , no Zabuur is more like a data base of knowledge to understand the Torah
Sun = messenger or message ( scriptures)= source of knowledge
Moon = Prophet or Prophethood = reflection of knowledge
Allah has gave us the definition of both in the Quran brother:
وَإِذۡ أَخَذَ ٱللَّهُ مِیثَـٰقَ ٱلنَّبِیِّـۧنَ لَمَاۤ ءَاتَیۡتُكُم مِّن كِتَـٰبࣲ وَحِكۡمَةࣲ ثُمَّ جَاۤءَكُمۡ رَسُولࣱ مُّصَدِّقࣱ لِّمَا مَعَكُمۡ لَتُؤۡمِنُنَّ بِهِۦ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُۥۚ قَالَ ءَأَقۡرَرۡتُمۡ وَأَخَذۡتُمۡ عَلَىٰ ذَ ٰلِكُمۡ إِصۡرِیۖ قَالُوۤا۟ أَقۡرَرۡنَاۚ قَالَ فَٱشۡهَدُوا۟ وَأَنَا۠ مَعَكُم مِّنَ ٱلشَّـٰهِدِینَ﴿ ٨١ ﴾
• Sahih International:
And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
Aal-E-Imran, Ayah 81
He angry lol.
He is a qurani and doesn't know that both messengers and prophets receive revelation and about circus Ahmad u own that circus if not u r the clown of it.
Your God sent you a book and said it is fully detailed , clear and nothing is left out of it. You either believe it and seek answers to everything related to straight path in it(including praying, fasting, zakat and etc.) or you do not believe and when you can not find answers that would satisfy you in the book of God turn away to man-written hadith books.
Quiet Kaffir 🤌
Dont we all need guiding by Allah
Yes we all do definitely, we must always make dua for that.
Why cant they have decent calm conversation? Looks like everybody take too much kafein..
MEGA MIND!!!!
There is many things Muslims don't know. Not just the difference of a profet or a messanger. Can anyone using your books what is a messiah.
Jesus...
@@usynnstradler Jesus does not mean Messiah.. Jesus is a title on its own.
it is like a jungle, nothing to do with talking about religion or anything. Only thing people try to do for the views is to make the other look stupid. really low especially for such important subjects.
So 2 uneducated people versus someone who has knowledge of the deen and Aqeedah. Alhumdulilah.
This is a no brainer. These 2 people are deluded and lost. May Allah guide them.
Please don't make a fool of yourself it really shows who has knowledge as its shamsi who only keeps asking questions and doesn't let others ask question and keeps jumping up and down like a little child