@@dierboxer20 Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ascended the pulpit and he said, “Amin, amin, amin.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, you ascended the pulpit and said amin, amin, amin.” The Prophet said, “Verily, Gabriel came to me and he said: Whoever reaches the month of Ramadan and he is not forgiven, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin. Whoever sees his parents in their old age, one or both of them, and he does not honor them and he dies, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin. Whoever has your name mentioned in his presence and he does not send blessings upon you and he dies, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 915
@@dierboxer20 Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad SAW), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. AsSalamu 'Alaikum). 33:56
Shamsi cannot control his temper. Open ur ears and allow yourself to have a proper conversation without getting upset or insulting the other person. from the beginning of this video i immediately noticed that shamsi was being disrespectful, what kind of man continuously walks away from a conversation while somebody is trying to speak. Have some respect and talk with ikhlaq.
You're out of seeing and understanding what's this shamsi endure by listening to a derivative liar who thought he is right and he is far away fool of Islam.
Allah SWT could simply say: Obey the Qur'an. But he rather said: Obey Allah and His Messenger. Obedience to Allah means obedience to His Words - Al Quran Obeying the Prophet means obeying his words - the Sunnah Allah SWT revealed the Quran and the Prophet explained it and implemented it. His explanations and implementation have been preserved and transmitted to us in a reliable way so we can follow it. As simple as that.
'Obey Allah and Obey the messenger' is what's known as a hendiadys, a sentence structure where two ideas are combined into one with a conjunction, rather than seperate them. Thus, you obey Allah by obeying the messenger. Allah says the sole duty of the messenger is to proclaim. Explain means to make something clear. The prophet was indeed sent making things clear. He did that by proclaiming the revelation, which is the Quran, and Allah says the Quran is the book that makes clear. Sunnis always distort these two ayahs and unfortunately most people are fooled because they don't know the Quran very well in order to catch their distortions and refute them.
@@Quran_Alone_DawahSo you also believe that Allah is everywhere and in everything, but Allah clearly said he is above the Throne, he also said that prople in Jannah will look at His Face, you want to say that this has some special meaning, and not as its? He also said when he revealed Himself to the hill it got destroyed, and when He called Moses from the tree, does it mean that He was in that tree?
As an Quranist how do u clear a difference in understanding between u and another Qurani that interpret a verse different when u dont have the understanding (actual meaning of the vers e.g. that something is not literal in meaning but a metaphor and so on) of the prophet saw. as hadith about a certain topic in the Quran? @@Quran_Alone_Dawah
Eh ok and what is the truth then? How do u determin that one is more right then the other in his interpretation. Well either way Allah knows best if u do not follow the sunnah then it is ur loss brother. @@Quran_Alone_Dawah
Please fellow Muslim brothers and Sisters in the comment section please try and avoid insulting the Quaranist or brother Shamsi, nothing good will come from posting insults , we should take a moment to think before we post to see if what we post will be beneficial and we should only speak about what we have knowledge on. May Allah reward Shamsi and all brothers who are trying to give Dawah and Insha Allah the Quaranist will realise what the brothers are trying to make him understand. Alhamdulillah we thank Allah for guiding us on the straight path and we ask Allah to make our intentions pure that everything we do, we do for the pleasure of Allah only, Ameen
Furthermore the verse shamzi quoted regarding God breathing into you his soul also described incorrectly. The verse as follows please read it carefully. Al-Hijr 15:29 فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُۥ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُوا۟ لَهُۥ سَٰجِدِينَ And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." The correct understanding is when you read it without the brackets. Brackets are from hadith which we quranist deny.
Shamsi is the one who gets frustrated and gets angry and keeps doing most of the talking and keeps jumping to different questions when he has no answer to give back and Janean destroyed shamsi .
@@jima9863 Ayesha was 16-19 years old most muslim scholars agree on this historically she couldnt been younger. Google her age 605 will come up meaning she was 18 when they consummated the marriage.
For all unlearned people, you do listen to a prophet's message from God, but you do not do as they did. The Message is what you follow, not the man. The man if flawed, the Message is perfect, if it was spoken by God to the prophet
Well yes, the Quranist went out of his way to explain the Quran is a testament to [a] messAGE not [a] messENGER. It makes perfect sense with regards to the way Muslims themselves believe how the Quran was revealed.
Was this some quirky way of trying to sound intelligent? The message had to be brought a trustworthy upright person. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ represents the completeness of human character. This is just as important as the message he came with.
@@Mozee854 Are you serious completeness of a human? The Slave owning, Child marrying, False prophet with no miracles or actual prophesies? Wow were you trying to sound intelligent?
That's why he is so stupid.....his brain can't hold a thought for more than 20 seconds to hear the point for a comment. So shamsi assumes he knows the response and answers a question nobody asked. I've seen this with those that have a low IQ and don't actually hear the whole comment. Their brain has a filter that can block out reason and logic which is why some people take a rhetorical comment as serious while a serious comment gets laughed at .
Well Shamsi’s example to the woman isn’t the same - coz if shamsi sends his friend as a messenger then yes - obey both, however if his friend who is a messenger - dies, then do u obey the friend or the message from shamsi ?
Lol I remember when a Quranist debated sheik uthman and the Quranist said he knew Arabic and then uthman said it doesn’t matter if you know Arabic. Hadithers are lairs
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullah. If we search sequence of root word/ masdar طوع اله , obey GOd.. we will get 21 verses, and.. the miracle thing is, the word RAsul/Messenger will comes ofter it.. In other words, we need to obey Allah and His Messenger.. Aal-i-Imraan (3:32,132) An-Nisaa (4:13,59,69,80) Al-Maaida (5:92) Al-Anfaal (8:1,20,46) At-Tawba (9:71) An-Noor (24:52,54) Al-Ahzaab (33:33,66,71) Muhammad (47:33) Al-Fath (48:17) Al-Hujuraat (49:14) Al-Mujaadila (58:13) At-Taghaabun (64:12)
Obey Allaah and obey his messenger... Messenger means message...? Allaah guide the brother... So long as he has air in his lungs there is hope for him an all of us!
@@khalidm5721 in shamsi's quest to 'win a debate', he took the liberty to question how the other guy knows the Qur'an to be true (may Allah forgive me for repeating this). What is trolling about that? It's true, isn't it?
Yes and you know full well the reason he asked that, because the same people he relies on to pass on the quran from generation to generation, he (the quranist) doesnt rely on concerning the ahadeeth. You either rely on them or you dont, simple.
@@khalidm5721 by that standard, you're saying that if there is even one hadith proven to be fabricated, then we should believe that it's possible the Qur'an has fabrications in it.
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A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN. Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it. Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in? This why is we obeying Allah and his messenger means obeying the message wich is the Quran theres no hadith that are accepted outside of the Quran.
Because that is impossible. It's like saying I'm gonna make tea, but without water/milk. Without water, you can't make tea. Similarly, you can't follow the Qur'an without also following the Sunnah.
@@RPNDWORLDWIDE if you are saying that he should speak in a more respectful manner I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with people who reject the sunnah.
@@Mimi-Maa18 Do you have a problem with what someone wants to eat for dinner but can't eat? Or what people deem their favorite habitual past time if they're not hurting anybody? Is it up to people to police each others minds?
A messenger is essentially the same thing as a courier. What matters more - the courier or his delivery? 'Is Allah here?' Is this supposed to be cutting edge Salafi "wisdom"? What kind of metaphysical question is this???
@@Mimi-Maa18 And that is what the Quranist said the messenger did, in his time and day. Even so, he was still only a messenger who conveyed a message that was more important than himself. Isn't that the whole point of the Quran?
@@markeedeep Qur'an 16: 44 Q: 16: 64 The prophet was here to teach the Qur'an too. To live it, be a physical example for humans to follow. Eg: Etiquette in conversation isn't derailed in the Qur'an but his companions would watch and learn then record what they'd learned from the prophet, who also came to teach manners to the jahili (ignorant) Arabs. These recorded "hadith"(reports) are now contained in books of Hadith. The Sunnah (teachings) and Seerah (life) of the prophet are examples of what to follow. Follow the messenger.
@@mikerevs34 follow the messenger, or Allah? The messenger is as important as He who sent him - do you see the implication of what you are saying? Regardless, Shamsi made a terrible gaffe when he tried to refute the argument of the Quranist by asking "Is Allah here" - a classic atheist slur! How could a believer in an all powerful, omnipresent Creator possibly ask such a question, ever!?
@@jima9863 May Allah give you and me guidance and forgive us for our transgressions. We all need to read a little, research little and look into history and its circumstances in isolation. Don't let hate drive your emotions.
@Mohamud Ahmed that's not good example of a prophet, especially for our days. Mohammed was old enough to be her grandad! It's not fair on the kid but ofcourse Mohammed was selfish. Also your authentic sources clearly state she was 9 when Mohammed had sex with her so there's no debate on this.
After referring to Allah (Quran) I found the verse which shamzi quoted incorrectly. The verse as follows, please read it carefully. Obey Allah An-Nisa' 4:59 يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْۖ فَإِن تَنَٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. So basically we need to understand who's the authority among us?. Authority among us, is people like shmazi and today we have disagreed with him because he quoted the verse incorrectly so therefore I had to refer it back to the Quran ( the word Allah ) to find the correct understanding. The correct understanding when God said authority among us means the people with knowledge of the Quran unlike the general muslims among us.
@@Hmza92 If they believe in Hadith after the Quran that means they can't be the authority. Those who follows the Quran alone and guides us in the way of Allah could be the authority but if they go outside of it then refer it back to Allah and the messenger.
@@Hmza92 You will never know the authority unless they starts to contradict with the law of Quran which may take time to figure it out, for that reason Allah said, " if you disagree then refer it back to Quran". When Allah said refer it back to the Quran that means authority is not a certain authority and you have the right to reject them if they contradict with the law of the Quran.
@@revelation333 the full ayah says to refer to Allah AND Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). If only there was something the prophet said about Quran of explanations that we could refer to. Oh wait….
I love this guy (Quran only ) .. Iam always looking for more recent downloads ... Why can’t people grasp the basic’s . Deaf ,dumb and blind ..and Allah deceives not ,but the defiantly disobedient. This Sunni says the Quran only does not make sense ..he is totally inside his four walls and will not consider anything ,not even listening . How can one debate with one that will not even let you answer . Oh and what beautiful manors he has -good example (not ) of a Muslim .
@@zedkhan4137 U ve Just prooved me right u didn't say Salla ALLAHOU alayhi wa sallam (at least once). Give us one time where your sect have implemented jald or hadd on a robber or or..u even declared drinking alcohol to be lawfull while the Quran clearly declared that it's rijs made by evil Infact begining with the verses commanding to follow the orders of the Prophet peace be upon u hypocrites Just twist them making ta7rif arrasoul become arrisala..muslims will always consider u non muslim hypocrites like we have always done deal with it loonatics
I have question for , god said in Qur'an , obey allah and obey the messenger , yes , so what's mean by obey allah ? response , obey the Quran coz he is the word of allah , now , what's obey the messenger ? Response , obey the sunnah mean obey all teaching all speeches and all actions of prophet Muhammad right , those speeches and actions of the prophet Muhammad was conserved in books like sahih bukhari and sahih muslim , for example the way of prayer was no detailed in Qur'an but the prophet learned us how we pray so those actions are translated to every generation by the elders , the same things we irritate the most of main sunnah ok . Now I will prove to you that this quranic man is totally bullshit , coz he believe in Qur'an only but he rejects the way of worship by Muhammad and he think that he should worship allah after only reading Qur'an and explained it the way he want that's incorrect why ? Coz Muhammad was the only one who received the Qur'an through the holy spirit so he is the only one who knew the real purpose and explanation of every single verset , and therefore if this losted guy believe in Qur'an delivered by Muhammad why he rejects his way of teaching ? Contradiction , he said also allah is every where incorrect . The correct answer Allah is up his chair up his throne above every things , but he has angels who are nearly to every human being from his date of born to the date of his death they're writing everything he do , they're two types of angels , those who are on the right part of the human being they write the goods and the noble actions , and those who are on the left side they are writing the sins and every bad actions the human being does .
Shamsi, PLEASE stop yelling. A debate can only be education if each party is able to speak so that all hear them - we don't want to hear an argument, that's something different.
He answered your question. The command of the messenger in the Quran is to obey the message. He walks off because he needs time to think of a response. Again the command of the messenger is to read the message. Unbelievable how these people reject that which they say they follow. He does not understand language. Messenger delivers the message and nothing more. Anything more is a lie you attach to it. Walk away hadither
And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty " [Al-Qur'an 59:7] "We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah." [Al-Qur'an 4:63] "No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they ask you to judge between them in what they disagree about and then they shall find in themselves no impediment touching your verdict, but shall surrender in full submission." [Al-Qur'an 4:64] "Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ... " [Al-Qur'an 4:79] "On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they will say, 'Would that we had obeyed Allah and that we had obeyed the Messenger.' " [Al-Qur'an 33:66 .. . . . .
These are "christian-atheist" statistics (just a tiny example): 10.000 surveyed across US: 64% teenagers had sex relat in the US, 1/5 of them want to be mums !!! 79 percent of teenagers who become pregnant are unmarried & 80 percent of unmarried teen mothers end up on welfare !!! Western recent history: Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society:"The American colonies followed the English tradition...For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "…the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old" A New York Times article (The New York Times (BALTIMORE, Oct. 14.). October 15, 1895.) states that it was still aged 7 in the American state of Delaware in 1895. “ » « Early school age covers approximately ages five to seven, and masturbation is common at these ages.” GH6002 Sexuality and Your Child: For Children Ages 3 to 7, MU Extension “A 1989 paper reported the results of a questionnaire with responses from 526 undergraduate college students in which 17 percent of the respondents stated that they had preadolescent sexual experiences with a sibling.” SpringerLink - Journal Article. Aisha may GOD be pleased with Her , married Prophet MUHAMMED (peace be upon Him) by Her conscent as proven by the hadeeths, she was the only vergin and young woman He married, she loved Him so much that she was known for her jealousy vis a vis his first wife Khadija (by the way she was 15 years older then The Prophet when they married) although she was dead (they never met) may GOD be pleased with Her Here is a taste of the kind of love Aisha was feeling for Prophet Muhammad:"...How can it he (that a woman like me) should not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you." ( Narrated by Aisha(may ALLAH be pleased with Her)) Sahih Muslim Book 039, Hadith Number 6759. In the authentic hadith the marriage was consumed only whene she reached 9 years old, & also reading the hadith it indicate that at this age she reached sexual maturity (a consensus among scholars) + (hair loss then growth..cited in the hadeeth), after Prophet Muhammed passed away, she become the most knowlodgeble and devout woman in islamic history (teaching Islam 100ds of (women): a rape victime? & not a single time the enemy of Islam at that time used the event to attack Islam neither arab pagans ones nor " Christ worshippers" ones nor jews although they were known to use in their anti Islam propaganda any thing they could exploit or if necessary invent! Forced marriage is forbidden by shariah: a second evidence: Aa'ishah (may ALLAH be pleased with Her) reported that a girl came to her and said, "My father married me to his brother's son in order to raise his social standing, and I did not want this marriage [I was forced into it]." ?Aa'ishah said, "Sit here until the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) comes. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came and she told him about the girl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for her father, then he gave the girl the choice of what to do. She said, "O Messenger of Allaah, I have accepted what my father did, but I wanted to prove something to other women." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i, 3217). It is also interesting to note that Aisha considered herself to be a woman at the age of nine when she stated: When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)
ALLAH Is God on earth with His knowledge like said Shamsi but not as a physical presence like said that sunnah rejector, God can't be in toilets in noses, or body parts used in toilets or or..ALLAH is in Heaven this is what Qur'an & sunnah confirm.
@@mbarnabeus brother if you debate someone and they start insulting you chances are they realize they are wrong so lash out because they lack logical reasoning .....
Whether I agree with him or not, this Shamsi dude talks in such an annoying and unrespectful and full of pride and arrogance way, it almost literally hurts my ears. Like a typical bragging type of dude who wanna be in center of attention and doesn't give a damn about actual conversation. Bro, get some humbelness and stop interrupting people and referring to Your dogs during debate.
The one thing i dont like with these videos is the approach to a discussion people just shouting and trying to humiliate ones belief, it doesnt give Islam a good image
You should watch more videos of shamsi when speaking to polite ppl, he is truly kind and funny. But here he si speaking to a hypocrit liar who want do change islam.
@@h.amz.a2262 According to sura 7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the gospel. Since muslims claim that the Torah is corrupted then until such time as they are able to produce an original the claim of corruption must be rejected as being false. Since muhammad had it recorded that he was prophesied about in the book of the injeel of Jesus a copy must be produced as evidence because that claim must also be considered to be false. Bringing forth any excuses because you have no evidence proves that muhammad is most definitely not recorded in any of the books we have because we are not obliged to believe what muslims have to say. It would be pointless debating with anyone who is incapable of proving claims made against what we have since they are unable to back their claims with factual evidence.
Here Allah is talking about THIS book, it means no other source. And it says in detail. Shall I look upon anyone apart from Allah for judgement when it is He Who has revealed to you the Book in detail? And those whom We gave the Book (before you) know that this (Book) has been revealed in truth by your Lord. Do not, then, be among the doubters. 6:114 Here Allah makes it clear to us that the prophet was not allowed to create own hadiths. They almost diverted you from the revelations we have given you. They wanted you to fabricate something else, in order to consider you a friend. 17:73 If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them just a little bit. 17:74 Had you done that, we would have doubled the retribution for you in this life, and after death, and you would have found no one to help you against us. 17:75 A revelation from the Lord of the universe. 69:43 Muhammad Forbidden from Issuing Any Religious Teachings Had he uttered any other teachings. 69:44 We would have punished him. 69:45 We would have stopped the revelations to him. 69:46 None of you could have helped him. 69:47 This is a reminder for the righteous. 69:48 We know; some of you are rejectors. 69:49 It is but sorrow for the disbelievers. 69:50 It is the absolute truth. 69:51 Therefore, you shall glorify the name of your Lord, Most Great. 69:52 Her we have it clear why everyone should trust that the quran is authentic, because most of the people speaks against themselfes when they say ”how do you know that it is real” The answer is simple, no one can change Allahs words, only fabricating other hadiths. The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. 6:115 Here we also have proof the Quran provides the details of everything, meaning if there is no rakats or no salawats or praying for the dead then it is simple DON’T do it. In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe. 12:111 And how can you Obey a dead man? You can’t it is the same thing as when the Profet was told to warn the people or to deliver the message, he can not warn the people abymore, the man is dead leave him alone, he is dead, gone, because he is not alive anymore. But Allah, and his words never dies. [25:58] You shall put your trust in the One who is Alive-the One who never dies-and praise Him and glorify Him. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures' sins. [25:59] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, in six days, then assumed all authority. The Most Gracious; ask about Him those who are well founded in knowledge. 12:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. [112:2] "The Absolute GOD. [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. [112:4] "None equals Him. " People are ignorant because they have been taught to think that way, instead this shemsi gets personal. And he does like all other people who follows hadiths, their teachings are incomplete so when they don’t have an answer they are attacking with their own questions, and they are so excited about winning a debate so they don’t even think of what they are saying, like this shemsi when he says ”is allah here” Okay let’s say Allah is not here, physically, but he was not there at that time when the prophet was alive either, wich means you should always and forever refer to him because Allah has always been. but the profet on the other hand, at that time he was there physically, wich means at that time yes they should’ve obeyed him, but he is dead now, and left as a proof to us is the Quran. How can you follow a dead person? He was nothing but a clear warner as Allah tild him to say in the quran: Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." Surah Al-Ahqaf 46:9 You see, I only follow what is reveald to me, and if you combine this verse with what Allah says in these verses: A revelation from the Lord of the universe. 69:43 Muhammad Forbidden from Issuing Any Religious Teachings Had he uttered any other teachings. 69:44 We would have punished him. 69:45 We would have stopped the revelations to him. 69:46 None of you could have helped him. 69:47 This is a reminder for the righteous. 69:48 We know; some of you are rejectors. 69:49 It is but sorrow for the disbelievers. 69:50 It is the absolute truth. 69:51 Therefore, you shall glorify the name of your Lord, Most Great. 69:52 Plus the verses when allah says this is not a fabricated hadith, then WHAT MORE proof do you need. Stop debating about things that Allah has made so clear to us. You can neither guide nor misguide eachother.
Shamsi embarrassed himself so badly in this clip. The other guy was being so respectful and shamsi wouldn't even entertain a reasonable conversation. I was actually annoyed watching this
@@bahrain7274 [50-16] And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein,..
@@hassanabdaladl 'We know whatever his inner self-develops' it is clear the ayah is talking about Allahs knowledge. Is Allah inside the human since a jugular vein is inside the human, no it means Allah knows what is in your heart. Allah is above his Throne.
He is smiling because he understands Islam and not start getting emotional and insulting like Shamsi who thinks he understands Islam better then everyone else.
pretty poor from shamsi.....couldnt make an argument....got upset....then had to appeal to the crowd for support....then had to resort to saying the guy wasnt a muslim.....i would expect better from a professional...the quran-only position shouldnt be that hard t arue against
They cant comprehend that because it will go against everything that they been told to believe. They are diluted from all the false information they been fed by hadith authors and these "scholars".
@anonymous guy We dont believe in annonymous fabricated hadiths. Do you know about the science of Hadith collections? We have already rejected the fabricated verses of the Jews and Christian scriptures that contradicts Quran. How can we follow fabricated hadiths that contradicts Quran?
@anonymous guy What do you mean by 'everbody'? Muslims were talking about and following narrations from the Prophet. As Islam was spreading, many fabricated narrations( by Jews, christians, munafiqs and from heresay) were circulating among muslims. Hadith collectors had collected all those circulating narrations and applied an acceptable scientific way to filter the authentic ones. Whats wrong if the hadith collectors compiled the authentic narrations that were followed by the companions, the tabeins and tabe tabeins?
Actually, "obey Allah and obey the messenger" means we obey God and His messenger i.e. prophet Muhammad. But it was valid at that time when the prophet was still among his people, and since the prophet is already passed away some 1400 years ago, then of course we cannot obey the messenger (i.e. prophet). Assuming his words of 14 hundred years ago can be applied to everything in the current situation is rather stupid, because even if it's true, we assumed we do this and that because of the prophet.. but can we be assured that the prophet really told us to do this or that? No one! My point is, somehow I think they who follow hadith are just a bunch of people trying to sell the prophet's name. So, we actually only have the Quran which was delivered by the prophet.
@@elafzal5866 obviously not from the book or hadith book. If it is from hadith book, please give me one long hadith that teach us how to pray from takbir to salam.
That very true masha Allah the Qurani and the shia are the same they don't practice Islam and when you tell them for example, why are you drinking he would say " that's not what I understand from the Quran".
These people believe that the prophet (pbuh) had a job of just delivering a message, that anyone could have done it, terrible people, the amount of pain and torment our rasool went through, no normal person could burden.
Well, it's not a debate anymore when the other guy keeps talking over you and doesn't even let you speak or finish what you're saying. And it's not "running away" when you've established the truth against the person, but the guy doesn't even wanna listen to you and persists in arguing for his position even after it's been refuted. And because you don't wanna waste time with him, you just walk away.
What about this verse Quote from the Holy Quran, Al-Hashr (59:7) مَا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَىٰ فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي الْقُرْبَىٰ وَالْيَتَامَىٰ وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ كَيْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةً بَيْنَ الْأَغْنِيَاءِ مِنْكُمْ ۚ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. -
mikerevs34 bro the context isn’t talking about a list of things he has forbidden - it’s connected to the wealth here - whatever of the wealth the messenger gives you - take it, and whatever of the wealth the messenger prohibits you to take then stop immediately (meaning don’t take it) - this is quite clear in the context In the general sense how ur understanding it is the ما means whatever that thing is which he gives you - you must take it, and whatever he forbids then abstain from it . This is whatever Allah reveals to the prophet in the Quran through commands and prohibitions - and not a secondary explanation of the messenger
Quran 31:7] And when our revelations (Quran)are recited to the one of them, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them, as if his ears are deaf. Promise him a painful retribution. Shamsi has demonstrated exactly what Allah had said in the this verse 31:7 he turned his back that is incredible.
What utter nonsense. The Quranist was all over the place. He tried to deny the obligation of obeying the Messenger despite the clear proofs. Worse, he said the "elements" of Allah is everywhere. Pure and utter foolishness. Allah is above the Heavens, above all creation, separate from them. He (Allah) is close to His creation by His all encompassing knowledge, awareness and seeing of them. Ignorant fool devoid of knowledge.
Really? Thats what you see? You know mankind has been turning backs to ignorent conversation since the creation of language? Iol I could of told you that
Samsi full of it. Muhammad is dead and his teaching died with him. He delivered his message and that was it. Why exalt a MAN to God status. Clearly he is not.
Allah SWT to Muhammad pbuh Q68:4 "you are of great moral character" Q94:4 "and raise high, for you, your repute" Q16:44 Q16:64 Reason to Follow the messenger. We don't raise Muhammad's pbuh status, Allah SWT does. We respect that and follow as commanded.
@MoEz sgc says the guy who responds to Angels when the Bible was already told you little deceiver will come. But the Muslims didn't heed the warning. And Muhammad is exalted having a 6 year old wife
@@smoker420la Micah 5 v2 Ends thus - "...Who's ORIGINS are from of old, from ancient times." So Jesus has "origins ...in ancient times"? Can't be God. Thanks for the tip. :)
Shansi knows there is legitimatise in his argument. He runs away cause he's stomped.Islam is the only one that needs other books to understand their own righteous book. That causes only problems and u see this in Islam.If Muslims think Allah is so perfect,why the need for other books. Especially when all the other books 95% of them talk about man's doings and not Allah's.Why cause that's where all the politics come into play.The Quran has no sharia law in it.Which means Allah has no time for politics!!!
My question is.. why do you watch.. haha discussion between 2 muslims.. and you come and watch..and at the end ..why muslim thuis.. het muslim that bla bla... go do some research then point fingers...
@@umms29 He does believe Allah is omni-present. Allah's knowledge, hearing, and sight is everywhere as Shamsi believes. But Allah is not everywhere, is Allah in the toilet then? Astagfirullah. Allah is above the 7 heavens as he mentioned in the Quran and this is how the salaf understood it.
Why are they argueing about a false book created by a false Prophet? If Mohammad was a Prophet than the Devil is one too! How can people believe in such a man? Unbelievable!
@Quranist : are u on drugs or alcohol?! (I know your quranist anti Islam religion allows alcohol) cause If u think that Shamsi got destroyed here it means that u didn't understand nothing from The Quran & then from shamsi.
In order to pray we need to follow the prophet. He teaches the details. That is why the Quran revealed through the prophet. Those quranist would have trouble to pray properly
My Algerian husband has become a quranist out of the blue. 13 years marriage and an 8 year old son. I put up with so much from him all these years and now it has come to this. He doesn't even do salaat the sunnah way, they pray 3 times a day, some nonsense like that. I can't be with a man who can't even lead me in salaat. He's stubborn like this guy or more when I've tried to discuss with him. Make du3aa for me please, my heart is broken 🥺
@@Nicola.M7 Through blessed scripts like it is said in the Quran. I take my truth from there and do not put my trust in humans who are fallible. The hadiths need to be discredited there is so much nonsense in there it's unbelievable. Go read for yourself and then read the words of Allah and then tell me they are the same??
@@munib1000 if the Quran can be preserved than why can't the hadith of the prophet not be preserved? The same ppl who passed down the Quran can also pass down the hadith
@@Nicola.M7 Cause God has made promises for the preservation of the Quran, the same can't be said for the hadiths all 100K sayings?!?. If you read the hadiths you'd know how much nonsense is in there, but like a follower, you make assumptions about what is in there.
The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May his nose be robbed in the dust, one in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send blessings upon me.” Narrated and classed as hasan by at-Tirmidhi (3545); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan at-Tirmidhi
The fact that Muhammed (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is the last and final messenger of Allah, sent down as mercy to the whole of mankind who will be granted intercession on the day of judgement . You are also a slave of God just like the whole of mankind is, if you choose to deny it or not its a fact.
“It may be that your Lord will raise you (Muhammad) Maqaam Mahmood (a station of praise and glory, i.e., the honour of intercession on the Day of Resurrection)” [al-Isra’ 17:79]
@@najhussain7592 it is of no concern to you if I am a slave of God or not, but you are concerned about your messenger who you evidently exalt so highly. The messenger could have easily been anyone besides Mohammed, and the sheer spontaneity of his selection for that role is testified by the Quran itself. Before the first apparent revelation he was a complete nobody, and where exactly in the Quran does it say he is the last messenger?
I dont believe in many hadiths written by men and goes against the holy Quran , but next time ask them about Mehdi, Dajal, azab alqabr , alqyama in the Quran . Kamaran you can not reject everything because there is many hadith which are correct according to the Quran and history
@@Junior-yt6cx According to hadiths these things will happen but Allah never mentioned any of it in Quran and even goes against it with many verses. So either Quran is not correct or Hadith books
@ shamsi: you talk to a person who is not even capable of speaking the Arabic language let alone he would be capable to understand the Arabic rules. I'm ashamed for you spending your time to ignorant and arrogant people. You biting in the bone that every person of desires throws at you. you tried to walk away from him a couple of times but your nafs pulls you back in. Don't make your self tiered and keep your honour. The salaf would say no blessing for you and your discussions. 20 minutes for nothing don't do that ever again because you'll lose a lot of listeners.
To take the verse that Allah is everywhere literally and the verse that Allah is above His Throne literally is actually one and the same way of reading. Yet they accuse eachother of being this and that.
Allah is not everywhere ya jahil. You sound like the christians, hindu etc, They claim God is everywhere. In islam, Allah is ABOVE the creation, no one is above Allah GOT IT? Good
Hamid hamid where in the Quran does it say, rejection of the collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad through the means of mustalah al Hadith is kufr ?
Hamid hamid also he claims to follow the Quran, is it kufr to follow the Quran? What was the first muslims doing in the first days of the Quranic revelation ? We’re they also kaafir for only following the Quran only at that time? You know because Hadith literature can not inform you of the first - Hadith - that came , can it? Was the messenger speaking first with the Quran or with hadiths as a prophet/messenger?
Moore Fyre bro u can bring the isnaad into this it’s fine - it ain’t got nothing - there is a difference with Hadith isnaad and Quran isnaad for example if ur checking Hadith u go through the conditions of making it authentic, right? Not with the Quran, they don’t use that same method with the Quran, as the Quran doesn’t need isnaad checked, does it? Have u ever checked an isnaad on the Quran ? But I bet Uve most likely known of the Hadith being checked thoroughly - so there is a difference. And all those examples u gave - Who said it’s not mentioned in the Quran ? It’s coz your comparing what the Quran actually says to what you know from the hadiths- it doesn’t match too well. So instead of question the Hadith, u instead question the ability of the Quran, which isn’t the right way. No offence when I’m speaking as u haven’t disrespected me and I hope I have you.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE TARGETING SHAMSI, Brother Shamsi knows these people very well, he deals with them daily, they come to the park for only one reason i.e to spread fitnah. It is a sin to think bad about a person without knowing the true story/side. So in the surah Al-Ma'idah Allah says: You who believe, if any of you go back on your faith, God will soon replace you with people He loves and who love Him, people who are humble towards the believers, hard on the disbelievers, and who strive in God’s way without fearing anyone’s reproach. Such is God’s favour. He grants it to whoever He will. God has endless bounty and knowledge.
Is this person's ame Sam'S.. Oksy... But other fellow is right... Obey Allah and obey the Messenger is logically same... Coz the message is from Allah and He says first Obey Allah... It means accept God in life... And then say obey the Messenger coz in him is placed the message of Allah so you can't obey Allah unless you obeyed the messenger it means followed the message... If Allah has said obey Allah only jews abd christians would have said yes we obey Allah.. Amy issue you guys ummi.. No one can ever God if there is no commmunication from God... So God's communication is message so it is must to obey the Messenger ..wgat in fact obey the messenger means .is it like go to toilet like did.. No.. Would that make a person obeyed God... Or Okay inney Allah and messenger but I won't follow anything... Coz God says obey Allah.. Yes I do. Obey messenger .yes I do.. But nothing more... It won't work... Can anyone obey Allah without message if so why and how?
If shamsi Has the truth than he schould be able to explain his view in a calm way. They differ about the fact how to practise the commandment of ALLAH to obey the Messenger. Both agree that the Commandment is valid today. pro Hadithler say; „the Messenger Alayhi Asalaam passed away! We can only practise this commendment by checking the hadithbooks!“ The Hadithrejecter say: the Messenger alayhi Asalaam passed away! We can only practise the commendment by follwing that which came out from the mouth of the Messenger and what is prommised by ALLAH that its protected i.e. The Quran
Never once said sallallaa alayhi wasalaam
Showed his true colours
@@dierboxer20 Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ascended the pulpit and he said, “Amin, amin, amin.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, you ascended the pulpit and said amin, amin, amin.” The Prophet said, “Verily, Gabriel came to me and he said: Whoever reaches the month of Ramadan and he is not forgiven, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin. Whoever sees his parents in their old age, one or both of them, and he does not honor them and he dies, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin. Whoever has your name mentioned in his presence and he does not send blessings upon you and he dies, then he will enter Hellfire and Allah will cast him far away, so say amin. I said amin.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 915
@@dierboxer20 Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad SAW), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. AsSalamu 'Alaikum).
33:56
@@dierboxer20 Allah commands us to say this, so clearly if it's not said you dont follow quraan
@Donkey Bellerin are you muslim?
I guess not, so why comment on things you dont have a clue about,
No wonder you use the name donkey
Shamsi cannot control his temper. Open ur ears and allow yourself to have a proper conversation without getting upset or insulting the other person. from the beginning of this video i immediately noticed that shamsi was being disrespectful, what kind of man continuously walks away from a conversation while somebody is trying to speak. Have some respect and talk with ikhlaq.
You're out of seeing and understanding what's this shamsi endure by listening to a derivative liar who thought he is right and he is far away fool of Islam.
@@thesss5927 Fam what language are you speaking ?
@@Loyalsurly Japanese
@@thesss5927 how he can be far away of islam if he is following Quran
مُّحَمَّدٞ رَّسُولُ ٱللَّهِۚ
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"
Surah Fath, Verse 29.
9.43 ..... if some one ask you what's your name? My father has a Mercedes hahaha.......
9:43
Allah SWT could simply say: Obey the Qur'an. But he rather said: Obey Allah and His Messenger.
Obedience to Allah means obedience to His Words - Al Quran
Obeying the Prophet means obeying his words - the Sunnah
Allah SWT revealed the Quran and the Prophet explained it and implemented it. His explanations and implementation have been preserved and transmitted to us in a reliable way so we can follow it.
As simple as that.
'Obey Allah and Obey the messenger' is what's known as a hendiadys, a sentence structure where two ideas are combined into one with a conjunction, rather than seperate them. Thus, you obey Allah by obeying the messenger. Allah says the sole duty of the messenger is to proclaim.
Explain means to make something clear. The prophet was indeed sent making things clear. He did that by proclaiming the revelation, which is the Quran, and Allah says the Quran is the book that makes clear.
Sunnis always distort these two ayahs and unfortunately most people are fooled because they don't know the Quran very well in order to catch their distortions and refute them.
@@Quran_Alone_DawahSo you also believe that Allah is everywhere and in everything, but Allah clearly said he is above the Throne, he also said that prople in Jannah will look at His Face, you want to say that this has some special meaning, and not as its? He also said when he revealed Himself to the hill it got destroyed, and when He called Moses from the tree, does it mean that He was in that tree?
As an Quranist how do u clear a difference in understanding between u and another Qurani that interpret a verse different when u dont have the understanding (actual meaning of the vers e.g. that something is not literal in meaning but a metaphor and so on) of the prophet saw. as hadith about a certain topic in the Quran? @@Quran_Alone_Dawah
@@asl43n5 Discuss respectfully
Eh ok and what is the truth then? How do u determin that one is more right then the other in his interpretation. Well either way Allah knows best if u do not follow the sunnah then it is ur loss brother. @@Quran_Alone_Dawah
The little man should listen rather than interrupting constantly.
Please fellow Muslim brothers and Sisters in the comment section please try and avoid insulting the Quaranist or brother Shamsi, nothing good will come from posting insults , we should take a moment to think before we post to see if what we post will be beneficial and we should only speak about what we have knowledge on. May Allah reward Shamsi and all brothers who are trying to give Dawah and Insha Allah the Quaranist will realise what the brothers are trying to make him understand. Alhamdulillah we thank Allah for guiding us on the straight path and we ask Allah to make our intentions pure that everything we do, we do for the pleasure of Allah only, Ameen
@Quranist Islam - القرآنيين troll idiot guy
Shamsi you need to force yourself to walk away from these fools, you should be able to tell that they are trolls and they are not seeking the truth.
What kind of prophet has sex with a 9 year old kid?
Aden yafa go and join clowns like shamsi who are very far away from god's path
Azeem Qadir where is the verse saying she is nine?
@@animavista8742 such a dumb question, go study your religion and you'll find out.
AryanRatha ok then give me he Hadith
The Quranist is simply magificent.
He does not let Shamsi.override him.
Yes but he got bared in the ground like others have done to him in speakers corner
AL- LATEEF > The Most Subtle,The Gracious,The Refined, and Benevolent.(QS Isra':85)
Furthermore the verse shamzi quoted regarding God breathing into you his soul also described incorrectly. The verse as follows please read it carefully.
Al-Hijr 15:29
فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُۥ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُوا۟ لَهُۥ سَٰجِدِينَ
And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration."
The correct understanding is when you read it without the brackets.
Brackets are from hadith which we quranist deny.
Shamsi is the one who gets frustrated and gets angry and keeps doing most of the talking and keeps jumping to different questions when he has no answer to give back and Janean destroyed shamsi .
Sorry it was qamran destroyed shamsi
Well if he has to as that other guy keeps slipping,
Who keeps slipping?
Besides delivering the message, what else was Mohamads task?
و ما عليك إلا البلاغ
Nothing else they’re using his name for politics in the name of Islam and “the prophet said so “
@@GulledX Exactly, Mohammed used the copy paste Quran to gain women, children and power.
Gr3atest Think3r can you prove that from the Quran?
@@jima9863 Ayesha was 16-19 years old most muslim scholars agree on this historically she couldnt been younger. Google her age 605 will come up meaning she was 18 when they consummated the marriage.
15 mins 15 secs
Guy answers "irrelevant".
He knows he's lost right there.
May Allah SWT guide the sincere.
@Marvin Alexander you're too delusional for answers.
Lower your meds, then maybe...
@Marvin Alexander
Then you must be less than "zero".
And ALL shall taste death, then to Allah Subhaana Wa Ta'ala is your return. Good luck with that.
For all unlearned people, you do listen to a prophet's message from God, but you do not do as they did. The Message is what you follow, not the man. The man if flawed, the Message is perfect, if it was spoken by God to the prophet
Well yes, the Quranist went out of his way to explain the Quran is a testament to [a] messAGE not [a] messENGER. It makes perfect sense with regards to the way Muslims themselves believe how the Quran was revealed.
Was this some quirky way of trying to sound intelligent? The message had to be brought a trustworthy upright person. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ represents the completeness of human character. This is just as important as the message he came with.
@@Mozee854 Are you serious completeness of a human? The Slave owning, Child marrying, False prophet with no miracles or actual prophesies? Wow were you trying to sound intelligent?
I think the Quaranist was more calm and logical...Shamsi seemed to jump around abit. I generally enjoy listening to Shamsi but he seemed flustered
Shamsj frustrated.
It's passion for his deen
@@atribecalledbaniadam3346 sometimes you have to be firm with some hard headed people... Quranist are a joke.
@MR. He's 1000 times better than you kalab
That's why he is so stupid.....his brain can't hold a thought for more than 20 seconds to hear the point for a comment. So shamsi assumes he knows the response and answers a question nobody asked.
I've seen this with those that have a low IQ and don't actually hear the whole comment. Their brain has a filter that can block out reason and logic which is why some people take a rhetorical comment as serious while a serious comment gets laughed at .
Hahaha Shamsi got dizzied, dazed and demoralized.
I think u & your xtian allies here r intoxcated. Stop doing it's bad for your health.
I really feel sorry for these Chrostians.. this argument doesn't even concern you
A lot of hadiths are just bunch of funny tales intended to tarnish the Prophet's name.
Innit
Well Shamsi’s example to the woman isn’t the same - coz if shamsi sends his friend as a messenger then yes - obey both, however if his friend who is a messenger - dies, then do u obey the friend or the message from shamsi ?
Wow you’re an idiot.
Nice one - or are you gonna be wowed about anything
What if I say your an idiot - does wow become duhhhh
Must be spubs
If the messenger is dead but his example is recorded, follow as commanded.
Does this fool speak arabic?
Very confused individual,
May Allah guide us to the truth
Lol I remember when a Quranist debated sheik uthman and the Quranist said he knew Arabic and then uthman said it doesn’t matter if you know Arabic. Hadithers are lairs
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullah.
If we search sequence of root word/ masdar طوع اله
, obey GOd..
we will get 21 verses, and.. the miracle thing is, the word RAsul/Messenger will comes ofter it..
In other words, we need to obey Allah and His Messenger..
Aal-i-Imraan (3:32,132)
An-Nisaa (4:13,59,69,80)
Al-Maaida (5:92)
Al-Anfaal (8:1,20,46)
At-Tawba (9:71)
An-Noor (24:52,54)
Al-Ahzaab (33:33,66,71)
Muhammad (47:33)
Al-Fath (48:17)
Al-Hujuraat (49:14)
Al-Mujaadila (58:13)
At-Taghaabun (64:12)
Obey Allaah and obey his messenger... Messenger means message...? Allaah guide the brother... So long as he has air in his lungs there is hope for him an all of us!
HII و ما عليك إلا البلاغ
That’s his point I believe
Shamsi ran from that one literally
WOW shamsi asking how he knows the Qur'an is true. Astaghafirullah wow
Troll.
@@khalidm5721 in shamsi's quest to 'win a debate', he took the liberty to question how the other guy knows the Qur'an to be true (may Allah forgive me for repeating this). What is trolling about that? It's true, isn't it?
Yes and you know full well the reason he asked that, because the same people he relies on to pass on the quran from generation to generation, he (the quranist) doesnt rely on concerning the ahadeeth. You either rely on them or you dont, simple.
@@khalidm5721 by that standard, you're saying that if there is even one hadith proven to be fabricated, then we should believe that it's possible the Qur'an has fabrications in it.
Claims he's Quran only yet hasn't learnt comprehensive Arabic 😆
Ray, review the following statement
'The Vedas are my sole guide in life but i haven't learnt Sanskrit'
...now allow the sentiment to resonate
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Such blatant disrespect for the our beloved Prophet peace and blessings be up Him and his family🤲
A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN.
Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it.
Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?
This why is we obeying Allah and his messenger means obeying the message wich is the Quran theres no hadith that are accepted outside of the Quran.
Wrong.
Q16:44
Q16:64
That's right the clear message wich is the Quran only the Quran is the clear message.
The only duty of the messenger is to deliver the message" 5:99
What is wrong with following the Quran itself? Genuine question
If you follow the Qur'an alone, how do you pray? How do you go to hajj? How do you pay the zakat?
All of these answers are in the hadiths
Because that is impossible. It's like saying I'm gonna make tea, but without water/milk. Without water, you can't make tea. Similarly, you can't follow the Qur'an without also following the Sunnah.
@@Mimi-Maa18 question, who taught the prophet to pray?
@@moarend8989 angel Jibril pbuh.
@@Mimi-Maa18 Really, where can i find this info?
To say somebody is far away from Islam is n error. Allah knows best.
Well Islam is based on Qur'an and sunnah, not just Qur'an.
@@Mimi-Maa18 It is the manner that we deal with each other that is necessary to establish understanding.
@@RPNDWORLDWIDE if you are saying that he should speak in a more respectful manner I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with people who reject the sunnah.
@@Mimi-Maa18 Do you have a problem with what someone wants to eat for dinner but can't eat? Or what people deem their favorite habitual past time if they're not hurting anybody? Is it up to people to police each others minds?
@@RPNDWORLDWIDE I don't really care what they do when I say I have problem with them I mean I don't like them that's all.
A messenger is essentially the same thing as a courier. What matters more - the courier or his delivery?
'Is Allah here?'
Is this supposed to be cutting edge Salafi "wisdom"? What kind of metaphysical question is this???
Except that in this case the messenger is supposed to explain the message not just bring it.
@@Mimi-Maa18 And that is what the Quranist said the messenger did, in his time and day. Even so, he was still only a messenger who conveyed a message that was more important than himself.
Isn't that the whole point of the Quran?
@@markeedeep
Qur'an 16: 44
Q: 16: 64
The prophet was here to teach the Qur'an too. To live it, be a physical example for humans to follow.
Eg: Etiquette in conversation isn't derailed in the Qur'an but his companions would watch and learn then record what they'd learned from the prophet, who also came to teach manners to the jahili (ignorant) Arabs.
These recorded "hadith"(reports) are now contained in books of Hadith.
The Sunnah (teachings) and Seerah (life) of the prophet are examples of what to follow.
Follow the messenger.
@@mikerevs34 follow the messenger, or Allah? The messenger is as important as He who sent him - do you see the implication of what you are saying?
Regardless, Shamsi made a terrible gaffe when he tried to refute the argument of the Quranist by asking "Is Allah here" - a classic atheist slur! How could a believer in an all powerful, omnipresent Creator possibly ask such a question, ever!?
There is no spirituality in salafism.
He stood no chance, shamsi giving him the basics but the man refuses to understand Islam.
What kind of prophet has sex with a 9 year old kid?
@@jima9863 May Allah give you and me guidance and forgive us for our transgressions. We all need to read a little, research little and look into history and its circumstances in isolation. Don't let hate drive your emotions.
Azeem Qadir education can help you
@Mohamud Ahmed that's not good example of a prophet, especially for our days. Mohammed was old enough to be her grandad! It's not fair on the kid but ofcourse Mohammed was selfish. Also your authentic sources clearly state she was 9 when Mohammed had sex with her so there's no debate on this.
After referring to Allah (Quran) I found the verse which shamzi quoted incorrectly.
The verse as follows, please read it carefully.
Obey Allah
An-Nisa' 4:59
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْۖ فَإِن تَنَٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا
O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
So basically we need to understand who's the authority among us?.
Authority among us, is people like shmazi and today we have disagreed with him because he quoted the verse incorrectly so therefore I had to refer it back to the Quran ( the word Allah ) to find the correct understanding.
The correct understanding when God said authority among us means the people with knowledge of the Quran unlike the general muslims among us.
But those people in the authority would be following Hadith sooo……
@@Hmza92
If they believe in Hadith after the Quran that means they can't be the authority.
Those who follows the Quran alone and guides us in the way of Allah could be the authority but if they go outside of it then refer it back to Allah and the messenger.
@@revelation333 prove it. You said ‘could be’.
@@Hmza92
You will never know the authority unless they starts to contradict with the law of Quran which may take time to figure it out, for that reason Allah said, " if you disagree then refer it back to Quran".
When Allah said refer it back to the Quran that means authority is not a certain authority and you have the right to reject them if they contradict with the law of the Quran.
@@revelation333 the full ayah says to refer to Allah AND Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). If only there was something the prophet said about Quran of explanations that we could refer to. Oh wait….
I love this guy (Quran only ) .. Iam always looking for more recent downloads ...
Why can’t people grasp the basic’s .
Deaf ,dumb and blind ..and Allah deceives not ,but the defiantly disobedient.
This Sunni says the Quran only does not make sense ..he is totally inside his four walls and will not consider anything ,not even listening .
How can one debate with one that will not even let you answer .
Oh and what beautiful manors he has -good example (not ) of a Muslim .
Have news for u u r not following the Quran.
Nizar Al Baytari we are , ur not following the prophet or the Quran which is even worse
@@zedkhan4137 U ve Just prooved me right u didn't say Salla ALLAHOU alayhi wa sallam (at least once). Give us one time where your sect have implemented jald or hadd on a robber or or..u even declared drinking alcohol to be lawfull while the Quran clearly declared that it's rijs made by evil Infact begining with the verses commanding to follow the orders of the Prophet peace be upon u hypocrites Just twist them making ta7rif arrasoul become arrisala..muslims will always consider u non muslim hypocrites like we have always done deal with it loonatics
Nizar Al Baytari black stone worshipper getting brave
I have question for , god said in Qur'an , obey allah and obey the messenger , yes , so what's mean by obey allah ? response , obey the Quran coz he is the word of allah , now , what's obey the messenger ? Response , obey the sunnah mean obey all teaching all speeches and all actions of prophet Muhammad right , those speeches and actions of the prophet Muhammad was conserved in books like sahih bukhari and sahih muslim , for example the way of prayer was no detailed in Qur'an but the prophet learned us how we pray so those actions are translated to every generation by the elders , the same things we irritate the most of main sunnah ok .
Now I will prove to you that this quranic man is totally bullshit , coz he believe in Qur'an only but he rejects the way of worship by Muhammad and he think that he should worship allah after only reading Qur'an and explained it the way he want that's incorrect why ? Coz Muhammad was the only one who received the Qur'an through the holy spirit so he is the only one who knew the real purpose and explanation of every single verset , and therefore if this losted guy believe in Qur'an delivered by Muhammad why he rejects his way of teaching ? Contradiction , he said also allah is every where incorrect .
The correct answer Allah is up his chair up his throne above every things , but he has angels who are nearly to every human being from his date of born to the date of his death they're writing everything he do , they're two types of angels , those who are on the right part of the human being they write the goods and the noble actions , and those who are on the left side they are writing the sins and every bad actions the human being does .
Shamsi always speaks the truth and with logic and if you wonder why he get emotional it's bcz he's Algerian and arabian
what a stupid excuse for a lack of akhlaq
Bayyinah, Amr, Hukm, Balaagh.
24:1 سُورَةٌ أَنزَلْنَٰهَا وَفَرَضْنَٰهَا وَأَنزَلْنَا فِيهَآ ءَايَٰتٍۭ بَيِّنَٰتٍ لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ
24:18 وَيُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِۚ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:58 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:59 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ ءَايَٰتِهِۦۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:61 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
3:128 لَيْسَ لَكَ مِنَ ٱلْأَمْرِ شَىْءٌ ...
3:154... قُلْ إِنَّ ٱلْأَمْرَ كُلَّهُۥ لِلَّهِ ...
12:40 ... إِنِ ٱلْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِۚ ...
5:44 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ
5:45 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّٰلِمُونَ
5:47 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْفَٰسِقُونَ
18:26 ... وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِى حُكْمِهِۦٓ أَحَدًا
(+ 4:60, 5:50, 42:21)
(+ 4:105, 5:43-49)
3:20 ... وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُۗ ...
5:92 ... فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَٱعْلَمُوٓا۟ أَنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
5:99 مَّا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُۗ ...
13:40 ... فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُ وَعَلَيْنَا ٱلْحِسَابُ
14:52 هَٰذَا بَلَٰغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ...
16:35 ... فَهَلْ عَلَى ٱلرُّسُلِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
16:82 فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
21:106 إِنَّ فِى هَٰذَا لَبَلَٰغًا لِّقَوْمٍ عَٰبِدِينَ
21:107 وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَٰكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَٰلَمِينَ
21:108 قُلْ إِنَّمَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌۖ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ
21:109 فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَقُلْ ءَاذَنتُكُمْ عَلَىٰ سَوَآءٍۖ
وَإِنْ أَدْرِىٓ أَقَرِيبٌ أَم بَعِيدٌ مَّا تُوعَدُونَ
21:110 إِنَّهُۥ يَعْلَمُ ٱلْجَهْرَ مِنَ ٱلْقَوْلِ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا تَكْتُمُونَ
21:111 وَإِنْ أَدْرِى لَعَلَّهُۥ فِتْنَةٌ لَّكُمْ وَمَتَٰعٌ إِلَىٰ حِينٍ
21:112 قَٰلَ رَبِّ ٱحْكُم بِٱلْحَقِّۗ
وَرَبُّنَا ٱلرَّحْمَٰنُ ٱلْمُسْتَعَانُ عَلَىٰ مَا تَصِفُونَ
24:54 ... وَمَا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
29:18 ... وَمَا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
36:17 وَمَا عَلَيْنَآ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
42:48 ... إِنْ عَلَيْكَ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ...
46:35 ... بَلَٰغٌۚ ...
64:12 ... فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
72:23 إِلَّا بَلَٰغًا مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَرِسَٰلَٰتِهِۦۚ
وَمَن يَعْصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَإِنَّ لَهُۥ نَارَ جَهَنَّمَ خَٰلِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَدًا
Al-Ma'idah 5:67
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَۖ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُۥۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ
O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.
Al-Ahzab 33:39
ٱلَّذِينَ يُبَلِّغُونَ رِسَٰلَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ وَيَخْشَوْنَهُۥ وَلَا يَخْشَوْنَ أَحَدًا إِلَّا ٱللَّهَۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ حَسِيبًا
[Allah praises] those who convey the messages of Allah and fear Him and do not fear anyone but Allah. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.
Al-Ahqaf 46:23
قَالَ إِنَّمَا ٱلْعِلْمُ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَأُبَلِّغُكُم مَّآ أُرْسِلْتُ بِهِۦ وَلَٰكِنِّىٓ أَرَىٰكُمْ قَوْمًا تَجْهَلُونَ
He said, "Knowledge [of its time] is only with Allah, and I convey to you that with which I was sent; but I see you [to be] a people behaving ignorantly."
If a man delivers a parcel, is he now the embodiment of the parcel
Shamsi, PLEASE stop yelling. A debate can only be education if each party is able to speak so that all hear them - we don't want to hear an argument, that's something different.
He answered your question. The command of the messenger in the Quran is to obey the message. He walks off because he needs time to think of a response. Again the command of the messenger is to read the message. Unbelievable how these people reject that which they say they follow. He does not understand language. Messenger delivers the message and nothing more. Anything more is a lie you attach to it. Walk away hadither
When you start insulting it means your wrong .....do the the math
And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty " [Al-Qur'an 59:7]
"We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah." [Al-Qur'an 4:63]
"No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they ask you to judge between them in what they disagree about and then they shall find in themselves no impediment touching your verdict, but shall surrender in full submission." [Al-Qur'an 4:64]
"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ... " [Al-Qur'an 4:79]
"On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they will say, 'Would that we had obeyed Allah and that we had obeyed the Messenger.' " [Al-Qur'an 33:66
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These are "christian-atheist" statistics (just a tiny example): 10.000 surveyed across US: 64% teenagers had sex relat in the US, 1/5 of them want to be mums !!!
79 percent of teenagers who become pregnant are unmarried & 80 percent of unmarried teen mothers end up on welfare !!! Western recent history: Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society:"The American colonies followed the English tradition...For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "…the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old"
A New York Times article (The New York Times (BALTIMORE, Oct. 14.). October 15, 1895.) states that it was still aged 7 in the American state of Delaware in 1895. “ »
« Early school age covers approximately ages five to seven, and masturbation is common at these ages.” GH6002 Sexuality and Your Child: For Children Ages 3 to 7, MU Extension
“A 1989 paper reported the results of a questionnaire with responses from 526 undergraduate college students in which 17 percent of the respondents stated that they had preadolescent sexual experiences with a sibling.” SpringerLink - Journal Article.
Aisha may GOD be pleased with Her , married Prophet MUHAMMED (peace be upon Him) by Her conscent as proven by the hadeeths, she was the only vergin and young woman He married, she loved Him so much that she was known for her jealousy vis a vis his first wife Khadija (by the way she was 15 years older then The Prophet when they married) although she was dead (they never met) may GOD be pleased with Her
Here is a taste of the kind of love Aisha was feeling for Prophet Muhammad:"...How can it he (that a woman like me) should not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you." ( Narrated by Aisha(may ALLAH be pleased with Her)) Sahih Muslim Book 039, Hadith Number 6759.
In the authentic hadith the marriage was consumed only whene she reached 9 years old, & also reading the hadith it indicate that at this age she reached sexual maturity (a consensus among scholars) + (hair loss then growth..cited in the hadeeth), after Prophet Muhammed passed away, she become the most knowlodgeble and devout woman in islamic history (teaching Islam 100ds of (women): a rape victime? & not a single time the enemy of Islam at that time used the event to attack Islam neither arab pagans ones nor " Christ worshippers" ones nor jews although they were known to use in their anti Islam propaganda any thing they could exploit or if necessary invent!
Forced marriage is forbidden by shariah: a second evidence: Aa'ishah (may ALLAH be pleased with Her) reported that a girl came to her and said, "My father married me to his brother's son in order to raise his social standing, and I did not want this marriage [I was forced into it]." ?Aa'ishah said, "Sit here until the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) comes. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came and she told him about the girl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for her father, then he gave the girl the choice of what to do. She said, "O Messenger of Allaah, I have accepted what my father did, but I wanted to prove something to other women." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i, 3217).
It is also interesting to note that Aisha considered herself to be a woman at the age of nine when she stated:
When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)
ALLAH Is God on earth with His knowledge like said Shamsi but not as a physical presence like said that sunnah rejector, God can't be in toilets in noses, or body parts used in toilets or or..ALLAH is in Heaven this is what Qur'an & sunnah confirm.
@@mbarnabeus brother if you debate someone and they start insulting you chances are they realize they are wrong so lash out because they lack logical reasoning .....
@@mbarnabeus I'm neither Christian or atheist so I not sure what point you are making lol
The only duty of the messenger is to deliver the message" 5:99
Quran 16.44 .. 16.64
@Quranist Islam - القرآنيين how do ypu pray then?
@@falsehoodrefuted How do you mow your lawn?
@@ro2276 i dont have a lawn 🤣 whats your point?
@@ro2276 how do you pray?
I see this goone trying to debate everyone in the speakers corner and get baried to the ground every time he has no shame. Looks like he has so agenda
Whether I agree with him or not, this Shamsi dude talks in such an annoying and unrespectful and full of pride and arrogance way, it almost literally hurts my ears. Like a typical bragging type of dude who wanna be in center of attention and doesn't give a damn about actual conversation. Bro, get some humbelness and stop interrupting people and referring to Your dogs during debate.
Szymon Fandrejewski he is passionate and is trying to educate. His passion obviously would make him heated.
The one thing i dont like with these videos is the approach to a discussion people just shouting and trying to humiliate ones belief, it doesnt give Islam a good image
islam has never had a good image lol
You should watch more videos of shamsi when speaking to polite ppl, he is truly kind and funny. But here he si speaking to a hypocrit liar who want do change islam.
@@h.amz.a2262 According to sura 7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the gospel. Since muslims claim that the Torah is corrupted then until such time as they are able to produce an original the claim of corruption must be rejected as being false. Since muhammad had it recorded that he was prophesied about in the book of the injeel of Jesus a copy must be produced as evidence because that claim must also be considered to be false. Bringing forth any excuses because you have no evidence proves that muhammad is most definitely not recorded in any of the books we have because we are not obliged to believe what muslims have to say. It would be pointless debating with anyone who is incapable of proving claims made against what we have since they are unable to back their claims with factual evidence.
Here Allah is talking about THIS book, it means no other source. And it says in detail.
Shall I look upon anyone apart from Allah for judgement when it is He Who has revealed to you the Book in detail? And those whom We gave the Book (before you) know that this (Book) has been revealed in truth by your Lord. Do not, then, be among the doubters.
6:114
Here Allah makes it clear to us that the prophet
was not allowed to create own hadiths.
They almost diverted you from the revelations we have given you. They wanted you to fabricate something else, in order to consider you a friend.
17:73
If it were not that we strengthened you, you almost leaned towards them just a little bit.
17:74
Had you done that, we would have doubled the retribution for you in this life, and after death, and you would have found no one to help you against us.
17:75
A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
69:43
Muhammad Forbidden from Issuing Any Religious Teachings
Had he uttered any other teachings.
69:44
We would have punished him.
69:45
We would have stopped the revelations to him.
69:46
None of you could have helped him.
69:47
This is a reminder for the righteous.
69:48
We know; some of you are rejectors.
69:49
It is but sorrow for the disbelievers.
69:50
It is the absolute truth.
69:51
Therefore, you shall glorify the name of your Lord, Most Great.
69:52
Her we have it clear why everyone should trust that the quran is authentic, because most of the people speaks against themselfes when they say ”how do you know that it is real”
The answer is simple, no one can change Allahs words, only fabricating other hadiths.
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
6:115
Here we also have proof the Quran provides the details of everything, meaning if there is no rakats or no salawats or praying for the dead then it is simple DON’T do it.
In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
12:111
And how can you Obey a dead man? You can’t it is the same thing as when the Profet was told to warn the people or to deliver the message, he can not warn the people abymore, the man is dead leave him alone, he is dead, gone, because he is not alive anymore. But Allah, and his words never dies.
[25:58] You shall put your trust in the One who is Alive-the One who never dies-and praise Him and glorify Him. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures' sins.
[25:59] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, in six days, then assumed all authority. The Most Gracious; ask about Him those who are well founded in knowledge.
12:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
[112:2] "The Absolute GOD.
[112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[112:4] "None equals Him. "
People are ignorant because they have been taught to think that way, instead this shemsi gets personal. And he does like all other people who follows hadiths, their teachings are incomplete so when they don’t have an answer they are attacking with their own questions, and they are so excited about winning a debate so they don’t even think of what they are saying, like this shemsi when he says ”is allah here”
Okay let’s say Allah is not here, physically, but he was not there at that time when the prophet was alive either, wich means you should always and forever refer to him because Allah has always been. but the profet on the other hand, at that time he was there physically, wich means at that time yes they should’ve obeyed him, but he is dead now, and left as a proof to us is the Quran. How can you follow a dead person? He was nothing but a clear warner as Allah tild him to say in the quran:
Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner."
Surah Al-Ahqaf 46:9
You see, I only follow what is reveald to me, and if you combine this verse with what Allah says in these verses:
A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
69:43
Muhammad Forbidden from Issuing Any Religious Teachings
Had he uttered any other teachings.
69:44
We would have punished him.
69:45
We would have stopped the revelations to him.
69:46
None of you could have helped him.
69:47
This is a reminder for the righteous.
69:48
We know; some of you are rejectors.
69:49
It is but sorrow for the disbelievers.
69:50
It is the absolute truth.
69:51
Therefore, you shall glorify the name of your Lord, Most Great.
69:52
Plus the verses when allah says this is not a fabricated hadith, then WHAT MORE proof do you need. Stop debating about things that Allah has made so clear to us. You can neither guide nor misguide eachother.
Shamsi embarrassed himself so badly in this clip. The other guy was being so respectful and shamsi wouldn't even entertain a reasonable conversation. I was actually annoyed watching this
Hassan Sabbah where is allah ?
@@bahrain7274 [50-16] And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein,..
@@hassanabdaladl 'We know whatever his inner self-develops' it is clear the ayah is talking about Allahs knowledge. Is Allah inside the human since a jugular vein is inside the human, no it means Allah knows what is in your heart. Allah is above his Throne.
The element of Allah. Hahaha never heard of it mate.
@Quranist Islam - القرآنيين any fool can say that but explain how. Element guy.
Personally I believe this guy is a troll. He keeps smiling as if he’s gaining what he wants.
He is smiling because he understands Islam and not start getting emotional and insulting like Shamsi who thinks he understands Islam better then everyone else.
@@yliton4469 the Quran only guy was going around in circles. I’ll listen to them fools when they begin to talk some sort of sense.
Shamzy is the clown
pretty poor from shamsi.....couldnt make an argument....got upset....then had to appeal to the crowd for support....then had to resort to saying the guy wasnt a muslim.....i would expect better from a professional...the quran-only position shouldnt be that hard t arue against
That man made shamsi insane. He busted shamsi.
He crucified Shamsi.
Adnan Rashid is the best guy to deal with Quraniyoon, Na'amsi just likes the sound of his own voice
SP-Files why you opposes with shamsi and the salafis ya hizbi
@@Yahya-gw5qw why you talk like you just got off the boat ya freshy?
SP-Files
You absolute loser.
The fact that people think following the Quran is not enough is amazing
Allah said. If you differ Refer to Allah and the messenger. Ok prophet Mohammad Where does the sun set.? Shamsi can you help. . Where has he gone?
May Allah guide the mongolian man
Islam Refutado
Yes Shamsi is Algerian but the hadith rejector is probably the one referred as Mongolian by Abdul Malik.
But the koran only guy made more sense...
I reckon
Shamsi starting to grow dreads??
Original Berbers hair tixture is like that but I don't think he's growing dreads lol
@@saedm2359 He's a Rastalafi.
@@atribecalledbaniadam3346 lol
@@atribecalledbaniadam3346 I am dead
Bro his answer is simple. You obey the messenger by obeying his message. SIMPLE
They cant comprehend that because it will go against everything that they been told to believe. They are diluted from all the false information they been fed by hadith authors and these "scholars".
"Commands of Allah - The Quran.
Commands of Messenger - The Quran."..... Loooool
But is the prophet Muhammad here ? Can you see him anywhere . So we need to come back to the Quran
Where in the Quran does it say commands of the messenger lmfao
@anonymous guy
We dont believe in annonymous fabricated hadiths.
Do you know about the science of Hadith collections?
We have already rejected the fabricated verses of the Jews and Christian scriptures that contradicts Quran. How can we follow fabricated hadiths that contradicts Quran?
@anonymous guy
So you believe, the people who memorized the Quran & also statements of Prophet(pbuh), and brought them to us are only assumptions?
@anonymous guy
What do you mean by 'everbody'?
Muslims were talking about and following narrations from the Prophet. As Islam was spreading, many fabricated narrations( by Jews, christians, munafiqs and from heresay) were circulating among muslims.
Hadith collectors had collected all those circulating narrations and applied an acceptable scientific way to filter the authentic ones.
Whats wrong if the hadith collectors compiled the authentic narrations that were followed by the companions, the tabeins and tabe tabeins?
6:26 finished!
was the prophet let the companions guessing while he read the quran by shut up his mouth after reading the quran
Actually, "obey Allah and obey the messenger" means we obey God and His messenger i.e. prophet Muhammad. But it was valid at that time when the prophet was still among his people, and since the prophet is already passed away some 1400 years ago, then of course we cannot obey the messenger (i.e. prophet). Assuming his words of 14 hundred years ago can be applied to everything in the current situation is rather stupid, because even if it's true, we assumed we do this and that because of the prophet.. but can we be assured that the prophet really told us to do this or that? No one! My point is, somehow I think they who follow hadith are just a bunch of people trying to sell the prophet's name. So, we actually only have the Quran which was delivered by the prophet.
Who taught you how to pray?
@@elafzal5866 obviously not from the book or hadith book. If it is from hadith book, please give me one long hadith that teach us how to pray from takbir to salam.
Taggiya time 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣. Never trust this guy. They r lying big time. Brother Christian Prince was right 💯 👍
That very true masha Allah the Qurani and the shia are the same they don't practice Islam and when you tell them for example, why are you drinking he would say " that's not what I understand from the Quran".
I challenge anyone who belive in hadith. I wish if i was there i would answer him
ask them, was Muhammad read the quran and go home..and let the companions understand quran their own self while muhammad go home?
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Shamsi is so emotional....
These people believe that the prophet (pbuh) had a job of just delivering a message, that anyone could have done it, terrible people, the amount of pain and torment our rasool went through, no normal person could burden.
Shamsi always runs off from a debate. If u ran off then don’t debate.
its not running its when enough is enough
Well, it's not a debate anymore when the other guy keeps talking over you and doesn't even let you speak or finish what you're saying. And it's not "running away" when you've established the truth against the person, but the guy doesn't even wanna listen to you and persists in arguing for his position even after it's been refuted. And because you don't wanna waste time with him, you just walk away.
Quran: "He is with you wherever you are"/57:4
Shamsi: "Allah is not here" (clear kufr/48:15)
يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُبَدِّلُوا۟ كَلَٰمَ ٱللَّهِ
This shamsi is sooo disrespectfull. An animal, can't argue for crap. This guy cutting him off, calling him hmar, being emotional. What a kid
Arguing Over Fools gold.
Mega TrueTalk LOOOOOOOOOL aren’t you christian and believe god became a man and is 3 in 1? you’re the fool
Shamsi 💯💯
Look the other reaction. Many people against Shamsi, but he speaks the thruth 👍👍
How come Shamsi can say he is Muslim and denied Allaah existance
What about this verse
Quote from the Holy Quran, Al-Hashr (59:7)
مَا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَىٰ فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي الْقُرْبَىٰ وَالْيَتَامَىٰ وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ كَيْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةً بَيْنَ الْأَغْنِيَاءِ مِنْكُمْ ۚ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ
That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.
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Ali Shushi yep seems to be in context with that time and not now
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Wrong.
"And whatever HE forbiddeth abstain (from it)"
Who is the "HE" and where are the statements of what he forbade?
mikerevs34 bro the context isn’t talking about a list of things he has forbidden - it’s connected to the wealth here - whatever of the wealth the messenger gives you - take it, and whatever of the wealth the messenger prohibits you to take then stop immediately (meaning don’t take it) - this is quite clear in the context
In the general sense how ur understanding it is the ما means whatever that thing is which he gives you - you must take it, and whatever he forbids then abstain from it .
This is whatever Allah reveals to the prophet in the Quran through commands and prohibitions - and not a secondary explanation of the messenger
Dear Khiet Bui
How you know the verse is about wealth? That’s why our prophet clarified that and been reported through sunna and Hadith
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Quran 31:7] And when our revelations (Quran)are recited to the one of them, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them, as if his ears are deaf. Promise him a painful retribution.
Shamsi has demonstrated exactly what Allah had said in the this verse 31:7 he turned his back that is incredible.
What utter nonsense. The Quranist was all over the place. He tried to deny the obligation of obeying the Messenger despite the clear proofs. Worse, he said the "elements" of Allah is everywhere. Pure and utter foolishness. Allah is above the Heavens, above all creation, separate from them. He (Allah) is close to His creation by His all encompassing knowledge, awareness and seeing of them.
Ignorant fool devoid of knowledge.
Really? Thats what you see? You know mankind has been turning backs to ignorent conversation since the creation of language?
Iol I could of told you that
Samsi full of it. Muhammad is dead and his teaching died with him. He delivered his message and that was it. Why exalt a MAN to God status. Clearly he is not.
Allah SWT to Muhammad pbuh
Q68:4 "you are of great moral character"
Q94:4 "and raise high, for you, your repute"
Q16:44
Q16:64
Reason to Follow the messenger.
We don't raise Muhammad's pbuh status, Allah SWT does.
We respect that and follow as commanded.
@MoEz sgc says the guy who responds to Angels when the Bible was already told you little deceiver will come. But the Muslims didn't heed the warning. And Muhammad is exalted having a 6 year old wife
@@mikerevs34 clearly you haven't read through the whole Bible. But it's parts Jesus talks about himself who is God. Micah 5:2 Isaiah 9:6-7
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Micah 5 v2
Ends thus - "...Who's ORIGINS are from of old, from ancient times."
So Jesus has "origins ...in ancient times"?
Can't be God.
Thanks for the tip. :)
@@mikerevs34 you fake Suge Knight Abdul! You corrupt all the words. The Hebrew word is olam. It says from Everlasting you fool.
shamsi has no logic
@@drawthelifetiktak-horror hahahahahahhaa
Shansi knows there is legitimatise in his argument. He runs away cause he's stomped.Islam is the only one that needs other books to understand their own righteous book. That causes only problems and u see this in Islam.If Muslims think Allah is so perfect,why the need for other books. Especially when all the other books 95% of them talk about man's doings and not Allah's.Why cause that's where all the politics come into play.The Quran has no sharia law in it.Which means Allah has no time for politics!!!
Or the prophet pbuh was a teacher too.
Q16:44
Q16:64
My question is.. why do you watch.. haha discussion between 2 muslims.. and you come and watch..and at the end ..why muslim thuis.. het muslim that bla bla... go do some research then point fingers...
What an ignorant fool! Smh!
tht black t-shirt guy is a FAKE muslim.
Which ones a true muslims???
the guy with the white shirt is the true muslim @ ahlul sunnah waljamaah
Oh and for those of you who didn't understand 'Allah is everywhere' don't forget: 'closer to you than your jugular veign'. Allah is everywhere.
So basically Shamsi doesn't think Allah is all-mighty nor omni-present? What kind of god is he worshipping?
@@umms29 he is worshipping the god of never ending refutation and clarification.
Is Allah in the toilet? Astagfirullah.
@@umms29 He does believe Allah is omni-present. Allah's knowledge, hearing, and sight is everywhere as Shamsi believes. But Allah is not everywhere, is Allah in the toilet then? Astagfirullah. Allah is above the 7 heavens as he mentioned in the Quran and this is how the salaf understood it.
@@akeebahmed2504 according to the hanafi madhab Allah is everywhere.
Why are they argueing about a false book created by a false Prophet? If Mohammad was a Prophet than the Devil is one too! How can people believe in such a man? Unbelievable!
Easily refuted never had a chance from beginning
@Quranist : are u on drugs or alcohol?! (I know your quranist anti Islam religion allows alcohol) cause If u think that Shamsi got destroyed here it means that u didn't understand nothing from The Quran & then from shamsi.
agenda of all dawah members of Hyde park
never respect others belief
in last 2 minutes shamsi barks in his dene
In order to pray we need to follow the prophet. He teaches the details. That is why the Quran revealed through the prophet. Those quranist would have trouble to pray properly
There can be more than one way to show devotion to Allah.
My Algerian husband has become a quranist out of the blue. 13 years marriage and an 8 year old son. I put up with so much from him all these years and now it has come to this. He doesn't even do salaat the sunnah way, they pray 3 times a day, some nonsense like that. I can't be with a man who can't even lead me in salaat. He's stubborn like this guy or more when I've tried to discuss with him. Make du3aa for me please, my heart is broken 🥺
Sister your husband has realised that the Quran is sufficient, because the Quran is the ahsan al hadith. What is the problem?
QURAN REJECTOR VS HADITH REJECTOR
I will rather be a hadiths rejector personally, but you know I only trust the word of Allah not a human chain of narrations.
@@munib1000 so how was the Quran delivered to us then? Ur literally shooting ur self in the foot by discrediting the hadiths
@@Nicola.M7 Through blessed scripts like it is said in the Quran. I take my truth from there and do not put my trust in humans who are fallible. The hadiths need to be discredited there is so much nonsense in there it's unbelievable. Go read for yourself and then read the words of Allah and then tell me they are the same??
@@munib1000 if the Quran can be preserved than why can't the hadith of the prophet not be preserved? The same ppl who passed down the Quran can also pass down the hadith
@@Nicola.M7 Cause God has made promises for the preservation of the Quran, the same can't be said for the hadiths all 100K sayings?!?. If you read the hadiths you'd know how much nonsense is in there, but like a follower, you make assumptions about what is in there.
The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May his nose be robbed in the dust, one in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send blessings upon me.” Narrated and classed as hasan by at-Tirmidhi (3545); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan at-Tirmidhi
What is the logic in sending blessings to a man who refers to himself as "slave of God"?
Yes I noticed that these people never say pbuh, they have no respect for the prophet pbuh whatsoever.
The fact that Muhammed (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is the last and final messenger of Allah, sent down as mercy to the whole of mankind who will be granted intercession on the day of judgement . You are also a slave of God just like the whole of mankind is, if you choose to deny it or not its a fact.
“It may be that your Lord will raise you (Muhammad) Maqaam Mahmood (a station of praise and glory, i.e., the honour of intercession on the Day of Resurrection)”
[al-Isra’ 17:79]
@@najhussain7592 it is of no concern to you if I am a slave of God or not, but you are concerned about your messenger who you evidently exalt so highly. The messenger could have easily been anyone besides Mohammed, and the sheer spontaneity of his selection for that role is testified by the Quran itself. Before the first apparent revelation he was a complete nobody, and where exactly in the Quran does it say he is the last messenger?
brothers just remember one thing the same people that have passed down the Quran are the same people that give you the Ahadeeth
Well one happened before the other and one happened later - so there is a gap with the same people method
That's what bukhari told you, it dont mean its true
@@khietbui7821 how is there a gap exactly ?
@@khietbui7821 but we are not talking about manuscripts here, we are talking about the oral transmission of both the Qur'an and the ahadith
Mad MULLA why do you only attack bukhari and not the others i see a trend between those whoe reject ahadeeth
I dont believe in many hadiths written by men and goes against the holy Quran , but next time ask them about Mehdi, Dajal, azab alqabr , alqyama in the Quran . Kamaran you can not reject everything because there is many hadith which are correct according to the Quran and history
How can you ask about things that have not even occurred yet?
@@Junior-yt6cx According to hadiths these things will happen but Allah never mentioned any of it in Quran and even goes against it with many verses. So either Quran is not correct or Hadith books
@@friadgron3944 What do you mean by verses that go against it?
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@ shamsi: you talk to a person who is not even capable of speaking the Arabic language let alone he would be capable to understand the Arabic rules. I'm ashamed for you spending your time to ignorant and arrogant people.
You biting in the bone that every person of desires throws at you.
you tried to walk away from him a couple of times but your nafs pulls you back in.
Don't make your self tiered and keep your honour.
The salaf would say no blessing for you and your discussions. 20 minutes for nothing don't do that ever again because you'll lose a lot of listeners.
Their prophet?? I think the quranist have a problem with the prophet pbuh
Exactly I was shocked when he said that.
To take the verse that Allah is everywhere literally and the verse that Allah is above His Throne literally is actually one and the same way of reading.
Yet they accuse eachother of being this and that.
Allah is not everywhere ya jahil. You sound like the christians, hindu etc, They claim God is everywhere. In islam, Allah is ABOVE the creation, no one is above Allah GOT IT? Good
QURANIST always win.
How can he not be a Muslim ? He believes in Allah and the Quran and the last day ?
Rejection of Sunnah is kufr. No deed is acceptable to Allah if not upon prophetic Sunnah.
Hamid hamid where in the Quran does it say, rejection of the collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad through the means of mustalah al Hadith is kufr ?
Hamid hamid also he claims to follow the Quran, is it kufr to follow the Quran? What was the first muslims doing in the first days of the Quranic revelation ? We’re they also kaafir for only following the Quran only at that time? You know because Hadith literature can not inform you of the first - Hadith - that came , can it?
Was the messenger speaking first with the Quran or with hadiths as a prophet/messenger?
Moore Fyre bro u can bring the isnaad into this it’s fine - it ain’t got nothing - there is a difference with Hadith isnaad and Quran isnaad for example if ur checking Hadith u go through the conditions of making it authentic, right?
Not with the Quran, they don’t use that same method with the Quran, as the Quran doesn’t need isnaad checked, does it?
Have u ever checked an isnaad on the Quran ? But I bet Uve most likely known of the Hadith being checked thoroughly - so there is a difference. And all those examples u gave - Who said it’s not mentioned in the Quran ?
It’s coz your comparing what the Quran actually says to what you know from the hadiths- it doesn’t match too well. So instead of question the Hadith, u instead question the ability of the Quran, which isn’t the right way.
No offence when I’m speaking as u haven’t disrespected me and I hope I have you.
@@khietbui7821 isnad of how to recite the Quran not for its authenticity
FOR THOSE WHO ARE TARGETING SHAMSI,
Brother Shamsi knows these people very well, he deals with them daily, they come to the park for only one reason i.e to spread fitnah. It is a sin to think bad about a person without knowing the true story/side.
So in the surah Al-Ma'idah Allah says: You who believe, if any of you go back on your faith, God will soon replace you with people He loves and who love Him, people who are humble towards the believers, hard on the disbelievers, and who strive in God’s way without fearing anyone’s reproach. Such is God’s favour. He grants it to whoever He will. God has endless bounty and knowledge.
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Shamsi is straight forward and logical in thought.
Shamsi is very clear.... This guy is not islam.... Far away from islam.. May Allah guide this man..
where are the quranist in muhammad's time...
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Is this person's ame Sam'S.. Oksy... But other fellow is right... Obey Allah and obey the Messenger is logically same... Coz the message is from Allah and He says first Obey Allah... It means accept God in life... And then say obey the Messenger coz in him is placed the message of Allah so you can't obey Allah unless you obeyed the messenger it means followed the message... If Allah has said obey Allah only jews abd christians would have said yes we obey Allah.. Amy issue you guys ummi.. No one can ever God if there is no commmunication from God... So God's communication is message so it is must to obey the Messenger ..wgat in fact obey the messenger means .is it like go to toilet like did.. No.. Would that make a person obeyed God... Or Okay inney Allah and messenger but I won't follow anything... Coz God says obey Allah.. Yes I do. Obey messenger .yes I do.. But nothing more... It won't work... Can anyone obey Allah without message if so why and how?
Denying the Sunnah is Kufr!!
Mohamud Ahmed their is no Hadith by the prophet because the prophet believe the Quran , the Hadith was written 200 years after the prophets death
Mohamud Ahmed allah says most of mankind will lead u to the hellfire to yes that’s where most Muslims are going
If shamsi Has the truth than he schould be able to explain his view in a calm way. They differ about the fact how to practise the commandment of ALLAH to obey the Messenger. Both agree that the Commandment is valid today. pro Hadithler say; „the Messenger Alayhi Asalaam passed away! We can only practise this commendment by checking the hadithbooks!“
The Hadithrejecter say: the Messenger alayhi Asalaam passed away! We can only practise the commendment by follwing that which came out from the mouth of the Messenger and what is prommised by ALLAH that its protected i.e. The Quran
Sounds like the best summary to me. Which position makes more sense to you?