AMD Borrows Intel’s Business Plan - Ryzen 2 Review
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AMD made waves last year with Ryzen, but is second-generation Ryzen another giant leap forward, or just a refresh until Zen 2?
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CORRECTION: At 6:03 the table incorrectly shows the Ryzen 7 2700 as 8c/8t - This should read 8c/16t. Sorry!
... And at 1:18, the 2600X is supposed to be 95W rather than 65W
Linus Tech Tips could you try and build the new ryzen 7 into that octa core notebook (asus gl702zc)
Gotta love how Says sorry!
I'm sorry as well. Terribly sorry...
I need poutine...
Question: Was the intel platform tested with BIOS updates and Windows patches for Spectre/Meltdown?
Wait why did he compare the 2700X to the 1800X when the 2700X is second Gen of the 1700X . Is he still to much of a Intel Fanboy and didn't want to show the real increase in performance over the old Gen.
No kidding. AMD has literally 10% of Intel's budget (not to mention they also compete with NVIDIA) and yet delivered an architecture that was on-par in performance and costs 50% of Intel's counterpart; yet people want them (AMD) to create a new architecture every year for both CPU and GPU?
Also, they are actually creating a new architecture next year, on TSMC's 7 nm node. Intel won't be able to follow for a long time because they don't have the separation between core complexes so they can't split their CPUs into small enough dies and they are already struggling with the yields on 10 nm.
Zen+ was always going to be incremental, hence the Zen+ instead of Zen 2. We still got a node jump, and while it's a minor one (from 14 nm to 12 nm) it's still more than what Intel did since the Skylake release.
Yeah, and while they were developing Ryzen 2, they weren't even making PROFIT yet from their earnings.
I'm not sure where you're getting the 50% of Intel's counterpart bit. I can go to my local Micro Center right now and get an i7-8700k for $299, and at the same location the Ryzen 7 2700X is $329. Seems to me Intel has the price AND the performance for now.
www.microcenter.com/product/505632/Ryzen_7_2700X_37GHz_8_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Prism_Cooler
www.microcenter.com/product/486088/Core_i7-8700K_Coffee_Lake_37_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor
That's great if you have a Microcenter near you (Notice it's in-store only), but many people don't. $346-349 for 8700k is probably what most would have to pay.
pcpartpicker.com/product/sxDzK8/intel-core-i7-8700k-37ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i78700k
pcpartpicker.com/product/bddxFT/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-37ghz-8-core-processor-yd270xbgafbox
He was talking R&D budget
#LinusDropTips 1:52
Are you kidding me! You cannot be this clumsy...
At this point we were expecting it
So was I, but seriously?
Dropping a Nvidia Card on a AMD Video...
Nothing than the normal Linus
1:39 i wish my kitchen cabinets had gpus in them :P
what the hell is going on with you? my toaster has a gtx 1080 ti (toast increasing) and my mixer easily handles an i9 7980xe (xtremely enhanced)
i wished i had a gpu period.
i5-650 sucks (650 not 6500)
they will if you believe hard enough
I don't get why everybody is hating on Zen+. They stated time and time again this was a minor refresh to Gen1. It's not true second gen and he needs to stop calling it that. Zen2 is 7nm.
SquaficleDude checkout Anandtech and Tom's Hardware, they have updated numbers
Well doesn't help when the casual channels don't actually point out what ryzen+ is. Effectively just an extreme power consumption efficiency change.
Its still technically 2nd gen Ryzen though, in the same sense that Kaby Lake is 7th gen Intel Core.
Generational differences in model lines, does NOT equal generational differences in architecture.
Everyone knows that.
Its Zen 1, but Ryzen 2. Period.
Yes its Ryzen 1 refresh, aka Ryzen 2. Ryzen 2 =/= Zen 2, which is why AMD branded it Zen+.
Morpheas Except, it's not. 2nd gen isn't to be out until next year. A refresh isn't the same thing as a new product.
And, Intel marketing their refreshes as new products doesn't make it any more true.
it is 2nd gen. zen 2 is 3rd gen. and zen2+ will be 4th gen.
Linus "Butterfingers" Sebastian
hed420 im suspicious if at this point he drops stuff on purpose, because the memes have gone round the world twice before a non memeable video has left the house. :D
It isn't a real LTT video until Linus drops something, though. ;)
Joe “Linus Butterfingers Sebastian” Rogan
It may be hard to believe, but it might be actually all accidental. People who like hardware aren't likely to intentionally abuse it, even for fame or money.
hed420 Linus Gravity Sebastian
he dropped it ffs
Geniusaur Classic Linus
Its his superpower
It wouldn't be a LTT video if he didn't drop it.
would not be a Linus hosted video if he did not drop something
And they won't stop sending him product to review lol!
*yes, more linus drops.👍*
Ain't a LTT video without some fuck-ups. ^^;
my heart was stop for 5 seconds .. it was more scary compere to all horrors put together...
It's *almost* getting old 😂
And coincidentally, the video is sponsored by...Massdrop!
I'm starting to think he drops things on purpose
Because everyone casually has a $2000+ setup in their kitchen cupboards
You must be loser, who doesn't.
I keep at least a dozen titans in my fridge as a snack in the afternoon. I like to munch on 5 1600x before bed, but they are a bit hot.
bee LaL you dont? Lol get a job kid
wait... you don't?
This video allows him to claim his kitchen as a Tax Deduction cause he uses it for work.
So what your saying is... It's not worth upgrading. But if you don't already have a Ryzen build go with 2nd gen?
that is almost always the case for incremental updates in any industry..
Yep pretty much.
considering the fact that Ryzen 2 isnt much more expensive than ryzen 1 I would go with ryzen 2 straight.
I actually looking forward to build Ryzen system (maybe, if I won't find better deal for a gaming laptop, because, y'know, fucking miners) but I heard Ryzen 2000 series had some issues with Windows 7? Like, it wasn't "fully supported" on 1000s too but it worked fine, right, but what's the story with this one, anyone knows?
mihan2d // Same as last time. Win7 will work fine, but you won't get Windows updates. That's it. And by "That's it", that means there's no bug fixed, and indeed some of these bugs can cause crashes.
While I get Ryzen + (or Ryzen 2 or whatever you want to call it--the naming is confusing me) isn't a giant leap compared to the initial Ryzen platform, it's irritating reviewers sound so disappointed. NOT EVERYONE UPGRADES EVERY RELEASE. Most normal people on the planet upgrade every 3-5 years (if not more). While I do like the Ryzen to Ryzen + to 8700k comparisons, and definitely think they're necessary, as that will aid people in deciding what to buy new, the poo poo attitude has got to go.
Additionally, I talked about it last year: Anyone buying Ryzen first generation would suffer early adopter syndrome and get the headaches with it. Yes many of the issues were cleared with BIOS and other updates, but Ryzen + (or 2) cleans up many first gen issues while increasing performance overall, even if marginally in some cases. If you were someone who could afford to wait (i.e. your machine wasn't dead or 12 years old) and not buy Ryzen off the hop, then Ryzen + is the one to go with.
You're completely right. Zen+ is just a minor update going to a smaller archetecture (from 14nm to 12nm) and fixing a few problems, not some giant leap. I plan on keeping my 1600x CPU for at least 5 years. On that note, MSI JUST recently got the bios up to snuff (took almost a year). I can finally clock my RAM to 3000MHz without getting stuck in a boot loop for half an hour. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@snesguy9176 5 years later, heyo (I went from Ryzen 3 2200G > Ryzen 5 2600 > Ryzen 7 5800x)
I'm starting to think he drops shit intentionally to Continue the joke.....
exactly
They moved out of a house to rebuild a house inside of a warehouse. The whole channel is a joke.
Linus is just a normal man
He keeps his pc parts in a kitchen
A callback to their old office!
Love how you are pulling the components out of cupboards :P
Amd shrinks node by 2nm, improves efficiency, improves latencys and ups the max reachable clock by 200mhz...
Calls it a refresh.
Intel ups the max reachable clocks by 200mhz and... yea...
calls it Kabylake
Intel tested with or without meltdown/spectre patch?
10% is more than intel has given in the passed 2 generations combined before coffelake, and even that had no single thread improvement. So i would say this title is largely inaccurate. Especially once you consider the massive improvement to efficiency.
and not to mention u dont have to buy a new motherboard
And not to mention you don't have to buy a new aftermarket cooler.
Scouser 19 roast wheres the popcorn
The intel comparison doesnt require a new heatsink or motherboard either.
Seen up to 40% power efficiency improvement depending how close to 4.0Ghz you go. Drops to 20% by 4.4Ghz. Still damn impressive and makes you wonder what zen 2 will be capable of.
My man put his test bench in an oven just to make a joke about baking 😑😑
WickedRibbon sounds like they were pretty baked themselves when cooking up the script for this one...
and it's one day before 4/20 too
Ba dum tss
James Langridge its a real oven lel its a kitchen not just a set xd but the oven was off
Linus needs to be Pun-ished
AMD improved a lot of things if you look into gamers nexus review. Linus barely scratched the surface of this launch. The new zen+ is way better than zen. And if you watch that gamers nexus review you see the advantages over the 8700k in streaming. a 6 min video is harsh on this launch
Boom, a graph higher is better, boom! a new one, higher is still better, boom, linus talks about higher scores, boom, another graph and now lower is better, and then higher, and then lower, and lower again.
Blin, why don't you either group all the "lower is better" graphs, OR just add an arrow for an intuitive viewing experience? It actually helps when you can draw a conclusion when watching graphs.
sasja de vries. Or just pause the video to examine the charts?
Power draw: (lower is better), FPS: (Higher is better), Thermals: (Lower is better), FPS per dollar: (Higher is better).
If you honestly can't understand the information on it's contextual basis without a prompt telling you which is which, that's your problem and no one else's.
And they exclude the Intel CPU on some of the graph. :(
There isnt enough time to examine the charts without pausing the video anyway.
If you want to just immediately see (Intel wins, or AMD wins) without paying attention to all the numbers, you wont get a complete picture anyway.
They briefly show each graph to save time, they dont want the video to be longer than it has to. People's attention span is really short these days.
why is not one cross testing the mobos, so we can see which improvements are are mobo based vs processor based... can we get the stats from 1600X/1800X on the new mobos, and 2600X/2700X on the old... if your moving to ryzen for the first time is there any proformance hit for picking up an 2700X and an older mobo?... is there anything to be gained from grabing a 1600 and a new mobo(compared to the last iteration)?
This I would love to know this exactly
I got three different Ryzen video notifications in a span of 15 seconds. Sweet.
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This was a stated refresh and not an architectural change and as such its quite good.
If the values of the X axis on your graphs change every slide, please include a percent change, that way you can actually understand what is going on quickly.
Yo Linus, can you make a video about ryzen 1 and 2 on Linux? Supposedly there are some bugs with the gcc compiler, that makes it a no go for lots of devs...
Ryzen+ actually sees a small ipc improvement, which cannot be said about Kaby/Coffee Lake...
LOVE the kitchen set, and casually taking things out of the cupboard. Pls do more of this.
Is the template for these graphs already partially filled out and then you have to go in and change the info yourself or do they come blank and you build them because whichever is the case the latter will more than likely help with those errors that come up in a lot of videos
Nice video, but missing infos If spectra / meltdown is fixed on these CPUs.
Isn't Linus being a bit harsh when he says AMD is copying Intel's Tick Tock process? Intel stays with their fabrication process in the 'tock' while AMD shrunk down their 14nm 1st Gen to 12nm whilst adding many improvements... Given AMD is a much smaller and less-funded company than Intel, they could've done a lot less for this generation.
their ipc it's still too low compared to intel, dont get me wrong, i have amd cpu's and products, like laptops and bla, bla, but i wouldn't put any AMD cpu in my gaming rig, especially when im currently using a 240hz monitor, i need any extra frame i can get, but congrats to amd i guess
DOOM Slayer
Their IPC is like 10% lower at worst, intel got a huge clockspeed advantage, people seem to forget that.
not really, yes intel has a higher clock speed, and you can oc the shit out of them, especially the coffe lake, but even when you put them clock to clock intel still has a higher ipc, downclocked to 4.0ghz my 8700k scored 185 on single thread and 220 at 5ghz.
their IPC is similiar....
and if you actually watch the video above, ryzen 2 gets more fps, past the 240Hz hallmark.
moo
They did. The $330 R7 2700X is a substantial improvement over the $330 R7 1700. Linus compared it to the 1800X which cost $500 at launch.
1:53 Need I say it?
Love the background music in this video.
There are some problem with the tests performed on Asus Crosshair VII Hero regarding voltage as it apply +50mV on load line also if the RAM frequency is too low it does not perform as it should be. Althought there is no problem with MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC apparently as MSI stricly set his bord with AMD recommended settings. That's what I read on a test done by Tom's Guide in France.
1:18 the 2600X is 95w not 65w
The non-x 2600 and 2700 are 65w tho
6:08 ryzen 2700 8c/16t
Eduardo Trujillo good call, I didn't even notice that thread count slip up
The improvements from 1st gen Ryzen to 2nd are actually very good, especially in professional/productivity tasks (like you can fell stuff load faster).
It's also a plus it runs as well on old 350/370 boards, as on the new 4xx ones. Lets not forget the CPU lids are soldered (plus over Intels shitty Chinese paste) and the cooler whatever you say is still worth it (also good resale value).
1:54 Of course...
Might want to UPDATE The post Description -- Ryzen 7 are listed as 5 twice... just being helpful... Awesome videos by the way keep them coming...
I like how I got the Ryzen review video notifications at exactly the same time LOL. I guess it's the embargo, but wow, that was perfectly timed haha
Anesu C everyone set their videos to go live at the same time
Oh yeah I forgot you probably can set a timer instead of doing it manually haha
Tunnelbear must be hibernating or something...
Hibernating in their mcafee cave?
Well aren't you behind on the times...
Some say hibernating, others say hunted and killed for its meat. Potato potata
How does mcafee even exist in 2018
Intel bought them, that's how.
Hey, I'm trying to use a Dell 7010 as a project but I'm having issues with the sata ports on the motherboard. They all work perfectly fine but when I plug in a graphics card in the top PCI-e the sata cables get in the way and can end coming out of their sockets.
Thanks
Ken
Hey Linus,
Is there any chance you can do a video testing older GPUs with the X470 chipset and Ryzen 2nd gen? I have an Asus GTX 780 and I've heard people say that the 780 in particular doesn't work with Ryzen gen 2 for some reason.
Looking at the benchmarks, the ryzen cpus beat the intel chips in several of tests, but Linus: intel wins by landslide
Anandtech is showing much different Gaming results, with Ryzen 2xxx winning across all games they tested, against Intel's offerings. Might be setup differences or even different Games tested though. So I suspect there will be some corrections to somebody's review(s).
Many on the AT Forums seem to think it is because they used Default hardware. Specifically Heatsink/Fan combos from Intel/AMD. In short, don't use Intel's Heatsink/Fan if you choose to go that route and want the best performance possible, even if you don't Overclock.
edit: the above Intel Heatsink info is incorrect. AT did use an aftermarket Heatsink on the Intel cpu's they tested. The differences may still be hardware related, especially RAM, but some are speculating Windows being fully updated and/or Power Savings settings being a factor.
I hope other reviewers investigate this and find out what's going on. AT may have just royally screwed up, but they may have exposed something that may be helpful for DIY and Enthusiasts to know before building/buying a new PC.
So wait.. Are they gonna bribe OEMs now?
yes! the moment we all been waiting for ...linus drop something !!!
I want to have testbenches and graphic cards in my kitchen cupboard but all I have is overclocked soup cans :(
It's a set lol
I guess you could call it Second RyGen
I'll see myself to the door
That was so damn bad....almost as bad as the yeast joke.
I have a Ryzen First Generation and I'm happy with, there's no point to upgrade. The prices went down a lot and it's crazy cheap now. If I ihad to buy a new PC I would still buy first generation just because the price.
However the evolution is nice. All will depend on the price. I think Ryzen first generation has the best price/performance right now, but if the price gap between generations decrease next generation will be a great deal.
Intel has been monopolizing the market,
it's now time for AMD to rise!
cwk18 exactly, zen architecture is a good thing because now intel need to lower their prices and next 9th gen intel will be better than ryzen2, then ryzen 3 beats it and so on. Competition always a good thing for consumer
Ryzen 7 and ryzen 5 is awesome 😍
Are*
No...
Scripty Vijay, buddy boy it's time for AMD to *release the Kraken 2800X*
Record broke on 2700x @6Ghz
czcams.com/video/ogYess5WelY/video.html
Ryzen has always been, and will always be, shit.
"Aaand while we wait on this to ryyyze"
You're a legend, Linus xD
I totally keep my video card next to my salad bowls.
Where is tunnel bear？The VPN can't be used in China
爱科技iTech McAfee gobbled them up.
When you scrolling through CZcams and refreshing and suddenly a spam of ryzen 2 videos pop up and you don’t know what o click and you see Linus’ face
That’s how I’m here.
Obi Wan Kenobi Hello there
Kenneth Donnelly General Kenobi!
Obi Wan Kenobi you've become the very thing you swore to destroy
Mr Brian Sama Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
That's because the embargo was lifted today
Why are there no lower tier ones in zen+?
There's probably going to be lower tier variants launched later on.
This is just like the gen 1 Ryzen launch. First come top tier chips, then as those are manufactured, some get scrubbed down to the lower tier ones that are released later.
That was the APUs.
There will be a lower tier.
Its just they released the high tier first.
Why?usually when a chip that intented to make a high tier failed,they will be downgraded into lower tier,cost friendly
as an example,a failed i7 will be scraped into i5,if still failed it will become i3 and so on until celeron i think.
But there are _no_ rumors about the lower tier ones and the current APUs are definitely worse than Ryzen 1 if you talk about raw CPU performance.
Of course Linus dropped it! :D
So in short, upgrade would be useless atm if you already have ryzen.
Mhel Mabayo yep
Mhel Mabayo probably but for heavy user they will upgrade for sure.
I would encourage people to buy 1st gen instead, I dont think there much future proofing here, save the 30 bucks and get an evo 212
Im planning on selling my 1700x (as mine only managed up to 3.87ghz :c), and buying the 2700x. Then I'll probably selling the wraith cooler it comes with as well to save even more money as I already have a Noctua Cooler
Why would you buy a Hyper 212 Evo when 2nd gen Ryzen comes with a better cooler than that?
So this gen 2 is better than intel on video editing program but intel is still better on gaming performance!
Pretty much. Games usually don't untilize all those cores in Ryzen while productivity loves those extra cores.
hopefully games start utilizing more cores and hopefully amd works on their single core performance
Unless.. you're using AfterEffects which has no multi-processing ... like me on my 1700X :
But y'know, the performance is pretty close so I'd swing either way.
ErītoBeef ouch
oh god, my eyeballs hurt, so much rolling.
Might want to have them tightened then.
For productivity AMD wins big time. Definitely a win in my opinion.
This seems to be a really unfair way to look at it. Ryzen 1 was the big 'tock', this was the 'tick' and hopefully the next gen will be another 'tock'. It's way too soon to say they've become the same as Intel with their 'tickticktickticktickticktickto-NOPE' generations.
Johnwolf234 checkout Anandtech and Tom's Hardware, they have updated numbers
Couldnt agree more.
AMD gets 1 refresh and immediately gets slammed?
Lets be fair here people.
And btw, that refresh didnt require a new motherboard, old boards work just fine with the latest AMD processors.....YOU HEAR THAT INTEL?
P.S. No I am not an AMD fanboy, I've had only Intel CPU's for the last *decade* . But I really dont like Intel's practices for that last decade at all. I simply buy the product thats better for gaming.
"Intel still steals the show"- did you look at your own graph before saying that because it tells a different story :P
He's payed off by them so he can't rip on them lol.
The best CPU is...
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You wasted way to much time on that
Intel
cranshawmccaw
Intel you click read more, you won't understand
The Trammell clap clap
When did Intel decreased the prices when releasing a tweaked new CPU series? And most of the time they are changing the socket too. Doesn't seem that AMD followed their business model at all.
Intel supports the same socket for every 2 generations. AMD's plan is to support this socket for 3 generations. I would not call that a huge difference.
Derively they did that until Coffee Lake was released, bloody hell
Skylake and Kaby Lake supports the same chipset. So Coffee Lake was the 3rd generation, so it was expected.
Ryzen 2 FTW!
This isn't Ryzen 2 though.
EVGA don't work with AMD unfortunately
Yes, it is. What it's not is *Zen 2*. A difference, people keep not making :)
Untzzer Ryzen 5 WTF!
buying ryzen 2000 series is just not very smart at the Moment. "First Gen" Ryzen delivers a very similar Performance for a much smaller price
6:08 2700 is 8c/16t not 8/8
wouldnt be Linus if he didnt drop something
Mmmm, enhanced memory support.
1:52
😑😂😂😂😂 drop it like it's hot.
1:30 why are they labeling it Ryzen 2???? and wth they are going to call the actual Ryzen 2?
Zen 2 will have 3000 series and then will be Zen 2+ (4000 series) something like now with Zen+
Think ! before you ask !
CUP - Czech Unturned Player But that would be as confusing as 3rd gen Intel i5 being much newer than 4th gen Intel x86 (conveniently named i486).
Hawk Eyes. Intel has 8 generations of cups in the core I line. Amd is just doing the same. Ryzen 2 is just the 2nd version of ryzen.
Hawk Eyes well isn't this zen+ (Ryzen 2), I assume zen2 will be Ryzen3
Without that +40 FPS increase to CSGO it would have been unplayable before.
Techventure I bought a 1080 to play CS GO and Minecraft.
Frames still not good enough, flipped it and got a 1080ti
keep ryzen
Yea not worth it if you already have the first gen CPU.
So I will still keep my 1600 ok and ive also do some research that 1600 vs 1600x is just the same fps "in some games"
hey guys it's a bread rising metaphor of a joke, watch the video
Anyone here after Ryzen 3000 leaks
Nah I’m here after the 5000 leaks
*Wtf are you doing in the kitchen???*
It's only a set to look like a kitchen, a bit like early linustechtips vids
Dam the Earliest I have been - made 47sec ago
Roman2 Holub2 I got 22 seconds. I think I actually have the first comment for once!
AMD zen 1 is 14nm
AMD zen 2 is 12nm
while at intel:
skylake is 14nm
kaby lake is 14nm (basically same CPU)
"disapointed that it's not technically zen 2"
It is zen 2 (CPU) but zen+ microarchitecture
and 7 nm will be zen 3 but zen 2 microarchitecture
There was no secret about this, why act surprised?
Was this video sponsored by intel?
wtf you're even talking...
Hekau amd's 12nm is still worse than intels 14nm. Check out the intel 10 core 6950x oc to 4.2ghz using less power than the amd ryzen 2 2700x oc to 4.2ghz. Go watch OC3D channel on youtube.
yeah sure i will get 6950x for at least 700$ more and a mobo for around 300~500$ and no noticeable difference in performance. No thx i'm getting a 2700x
Nope it's Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen 3. 14nm, 12nm, 7nm, 7nm+ respectively.
digiworthy.com/2018/01/29/amd-ryzen-gen-2-gdc-march/amd-zen-roadmap-2018-2/
Not sure what you're smoking but that is all wrong. Architectures, node and products are all separate things. Its Zen on 14nm node with products being Ryzen, Threadripper and Epyc. Zen+ arch on 12nm node with product being Ryzen2 - arch here is refinement rather than evolution. Next its Zen 2 on 7nm node with product name still not disclosed but Ryzen, Thredripper and Epyc equivalents are expected. Similar story for Zen 3 and its 7nm+ node
darrenraphael, Did I mentioned benchmarks or which is better or worse? That's not what I'm talking about, re read what I wrote. Did you felt attacked by my comment?
But what you can get from it is: intel works on what they have and improves it (with questionable decisions (read: meltdown)) releasing same CPU but improved, while AMD releases new CPU using new technology.
I'm for advancements in technology and not for sticking with what we have.
I physically cringed when you said "How Surpryzen"
Keep up the good work, you're doin' us proud
Every pun/joke made in this video was pure cringe. It wasnt just that.
Even thought Intel and Nvidia have the better hardware for gamers,
you should still consider to buy an AMD as long as the difference is not giant. That way you make sure there will be competition in the market in the future.
WHY IS EVERYBODY POSTING ABOUT RYZEN 2 AT THE SAME TIME ?!?!???
Lol yea, they are all 1min apart from eachother.
It's planned. They all did the same with the Corsair One review
The review embargo just lifted.
Jovan Adidharma slaves to the system! Duh
Just became available to review.
Woooo
So Intel CPUs are even more irrelevant now?
They've never been irrelevant
Lol, I just watched a real review at gamer's nexus and then there's this crap. Lololololooo
But actually though, GN is on another level with technical skill than Linus. Not that I don't love Scrapyard Wars.
I like LTT for everything except for any review of pc hardware.
LTT is just a bad sitcom, not a tech channel anymore.
This is so true though lol. GN, and Hardwareunboxed put these benchmarks to shame lol. If you look at those one it actually shows you get a pretty decent increase from gaming performance, and productivity performance.
Luiz Arthur Brito To be fair there is no good performance review unless they could do a 200 game and 50 workload benchmarks. I literally dislike a video when some idiot shows me Ashes of the Benchmark and Bf1 for the millionth time
So let me understand this. When it comes to gaming Intel steals the show and you are showing Intel 8 series. Do you know that in the latest benchmarks 2700X beats the 8700K in 7 out of 10 tests? Riight...
I'll show myself out.
Good, be gone with that ONE SINGLE pre-release source that turned out wrong anyway.
Other reviewers like Gamers Nexus show that Intel does better in games pretty much every time... not that it should surprise anyone, intel clocks higher with fewer cores and thats all that most games use.
Karpov Liam the difference is usually very noticeable, and in Intel's favor. Perhaps you have been looking at charts showing gaming performance while streaming?
Maybe you should check AnandTech review with Intel's newest BIOS with Spectre patch and so on. You would be surprised...
It's good to see that AMD is continuing to improve their performance, but there's no real incentive for an Intel user to change teams. Even a Core i7 from 2013-2014 will keep up with the 2700X, at least in gaming.
If gaming is all you do, there's no need to upgrade past Sandy bridge if you're gaming at a reasonable resolution. I don't think that's the point though.
Tim Flohr i must admit modern consumer cpus I don't even think about gaming performance. Multi core is becoming more important to me due to the more diverse workloads I do day to day.
Tim Flohr Sandy Bridge doesn't really cut it for 120/144 Hz or VR at this point. That being said, a 2700k will probably work reasonably well with a 1060 @1080p or a 1070 @1440p.
Value. I'm switching from Intel (Haswell i5) to Ryzen 2. Current gen Intel is too expensive compared to how they used to be years ago.
I have a old i7 2600k OC to 4.2 ghz almost 8 years old and haven't upgraded it since and still can play any game graphics on high +. Just updated the GPU a year ago as that was the bottleneck.
AMD 4 life..
damn im early, let me tell u a joke. my cpu is still a i5-2400
Kuki-Muki still better than mine
Kuki-Muki Send me that CPU since your into Ryzen, give it up...
core 2 quad here don't complain
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I7 2nd gen mobile edition. Even windows 10 lags
Honestly this so called review is crap.
liniuxs how so?
BruDavaloredge it is so unbelievably barebones that it borders on useless. There are 3 gaming benchmarks, one of which is CS:GO, an esports title from dual core days, deus ex which Linus himself said is useless for CPU benchmarks because its a GPU limited game, and one useful game. So it has one useful gaming benchmark which they couldn't even be fucked to compare to the intel processors.
This review shows that they are a tech show, not a review channel. That's fine, but he can't act surprised when people stop watching his reviews when they have been this bare for 2 years .
Makes sense and a valid answer. But to say its crap and Liniusx not responding is crap its just a short childish answer who makes the PC community look bad.
There isnt a PC community, you idiot.
There are many PC (tech) communities, not just one.
I am into computers and tech, am I part of this vague PC community you have in your head?
You're making no sense.
Although communities are usually small relative to personal social ties (micro-level), "community" may also refer to large group affiliations (or macro-level), such as national communities, international communities, and virtual communities.
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Lol
Stop it’s not funny
david martin this thing stopped being funny more than 2 years ago
No It will never die.
no this comment is 100% original :P
8700k still king for gaming.
TheLittleDetails CR But for gaming while streaming?
Scott G. I would say at least 90% if gamers just game. I don't know anyone that streams at all.
at least 90% of gamers only plays at 60 fps, so they dont need a high end CPU
FernandoVM93 Good point
for 60 fp gaming ryzen is better than intel, because you have an extra power for multi thread, for less money
Weird. Tech Yes City was able to overclock to 4.2GHz all cores comfortably on the stock Wraith cooler for the 2700x.
So, is it safe to assume all these comparisons are done with the Spectre & Meltdown patches in place?
What brand and model is the test bench you are using? (If I may ask.. I like it!)
I really like the background and the slightly new visuals
Hi Linus, could you do a video going into more detail about sd cards and micro sd cards with adapters. I've been browsing Amazon in need for 64gb sd card. Looking at prices the 64gb sd standard size is more expensive then the same size micro sd with standard sd adapter and same read speeds! Just wondering wether theres a significant disadvantage using micro sd over standard. Thought this would be a good idea because what i found online had little credibility and was very ambiguous. Thanks!
Is it true that you can manually, and separately, manipulate the clock of the Infinity Fabric?
nice review, now I'll just wait for mini itx mobo to available in my country then I'll start making my new build with ryzen 2
Sweet! Did you upgrade from TunnelBear to PIA?
I've watched so many of these videos that without sound, just closed captions and knowledge of how the transitions go, I was able to close out of the video before the ending add. I think that's enough LTT videos for now.
Linus,
Could the small amount of frame rate increase be related to driver instability on launch? Or potentially something to do with lack of developer insight before the chips launched? As for power consumption, the new generation Ryzen was expected to consume more as they were rated at a higher wattage than their predecessors. However, I didn't think that it would be as bad as you showed in your load tests. Something doesnt quite seem right there. Keep us posted if it does boil down to the new XFR boost 2.0.
Thanks,
Near
@LTT now that you have the zen gen 2 can you try doing a liquid metal video on them to see if AMD use better stuff than Intel?