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Snap-on Is Not What We Were Told It Is | Sonic Vs. Snap-On: The Final Verdict
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- čas přidán 29. 09. 2023
- I put my money where my mouth is, I wanted to fall in love with these tools, the toolbox, and the whole thing, but it is just not for me. I value a company who cares about the tool, and it is clear to me that these tools are nothing but a commodity at an extreme premium for absolutely no reason. The Sonic tools are cheaper, in many cases better. To prove that, I bought both toolboxes and set them up and compared the two. I threw in $10k worth of Milwaukee just to get the toolboxes to equal in value.
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Matt, I have been using tools professionally since before you were born. Some of what you have said in this video is 100% true, quite a bit is exaggeration, your opinion and tainted by the dealer relationship you have with Sonic and the business you are building - I get that. Sonic tools are functional, no doubt about the fact they fit nice and neat inside the foam inserts well, and for a "weekend warrior" are more than adequate. A lot of your opinion is from your OCD on how tools look and fit nicely in a box - not actually how they work. I am NOT a Snap-On junkie, I no longer buy into their sales pitch that they are the absolute best, and they ARE ridiculously over priced but I do own a lot of them because they really were superior when I bought most of them and they are time tested workhorses. The main point that you made is that S-O tools are just way, way too expensive and they are rapidly pricing themselves out of the market - I totally agree. Their main customer base are Mechanics who make only a modest income at best. YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION - financially! So you have someone only making a modest living buying tools made for millionaires. While I do own many S-O tools, I also own Mac, Matco, Craftsman, Knipex, Channelock, Crescent, S&K, Proto, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Starrett, Brown & Sharpe, etc. THERE IS NO ONE TOOL COMPANY THAT MAKES EVERYTHING "THE BEST"! Being a perfectionist myself, you need to open up your mind and accept that when it comes to tools, you need to "cherry pick" from the top companies and assemble your own tool set - then you will optimize your entire collection - but yes, the handles and colors wouldn't match, that would drive you crazy - lol! As for the tool box, it is my opinion that the S-O is a much more robust box and while sold at rip off prices will take a lot more abuse than Sonic. Not everyone slowly and carefully opens and closes drawers as you do. The S-O boxes have proven themselves over 100 years. I own S-O boxes as well as old made in USA Craftsman boxes. When I bought the Craftsman boxes 45+ years ago I could not afford the S-O ones, but they have survived just fine and I feel no need you upgrade because of that. They still function perfectly and still look descent. I am not bad mouthing Sonic at all! I am sure many of them are good, but if you look at things objectively, the Sonic lineup seems to put more value on "the look" & storage compartments/systems and function is secondary thought. Sonic's screwdrivers are just not as heavy duty and will not last as long - that I KNOW! I agree that in the power tool selection, Milwaukee blows the competition away! That is what 90% of mine are, with a few DeWalts, Porter Cable and others thrown in for good measure. Milwaukee's batteries are the best! Snap-on's battery operated tools do not hold a candle to Milwaukee and they are more than twice the price! I own NONE of the S-O electric tools and would advise no one buy them either. Get the Milwaukee! Last opinion I will make here is that the casters on these mega huge tool boxes are almost a moot point - reason being is that pretty much all Mechanics I know put their huge boxes in one place and NEVER move them! I know of no Mechanic that rolls his big main tool box around the shop!! That's what work carts are for. Snap-on is now living on their past reputation when they had little competition. They have for the most part priced themselves out and people are slowly figuring that out. That said, most of the S-O line are still great tools but the competition from Taiwan is also almost as good at 1/4 the price. BTW, I own a bunch of Knipex pliers and while they are very very good tools, I would compare them to Channelock at 1/3 the price. There is nothing magical about Knipex and Channelock at 1/3 the price are just as good IMHO. I KNOW you personally don't have the time and patience to "cherry pick" a tool lineup but that would be the proper way in which to get the ultimate tool set - rather than buying one single brand (from any company)!
Well said. I thought I make it pretty clear that the solution is and always will be to find best in class for each application. Curating tools is my entire plan.
I agree with you, except on knipex. There may be equal or better quality pliers, but I’ve never seen them.
I’ve been buying professional tools for 37 years, back when I started it was Crapsman or tool trucks. Im sure my box would end up looking a lot different if I started today.
Im sure Matt would have a different opinion if he had been using the same tools and boxes for 3 decades.
@@ObsessedGarageyou just got taken to school by bobby
@@ObsessedGaragemy problem with a lot of what you said is summarized in his comment but also 2 things a polish is easier to clean than mat and harder to rust also everyone wants to talk about cost looks or hand feel screw all of that the wrench socket etc that is less likely to round or strip used worn fasteners ect makes my job harder and more aggravating the tool that I need to hold the least amount of time to do a job in the best tool period
Also as far as the import comments go when you made this video the yen was worth crap and buying anything in japan on the dollar was cheaper that’s not always going to be the case
Random point -If I get a job offer next week I'll be restarting a career at 36 in a&p. That's probably the one area where boxes get moved everywhere from what I've seen so likely the 0.5% use case difference.
$66,000 for two boxes full of tools? I've heard enough.
Thanks for doing this. It made my decision easy.
Yes, buy Craftsman, Kolbalt, Milwaukee, Hart. Have enough money left over to buy a new motorcycle, 83” TV, home theater system and food for a couple of months!
The snap on flush cutters were released in 2019. A lot of their popular pliers are a new design that came out just recently. They also came out with flank drive plus among other things. Matts just talking out his ass when he says the design is 60 years old. There's only a few tool companies really innovating and snap on is one of them. Sonic is definitely not one of them...
Well their “new” tech is so awesome it looks 60 years old. Keep watching. In about 6 months I’ll be an expert.
@@ObsessedGarage At the end of the day it's just a hand tool. So it's really hard to "look" that different from a hand tool made 60 years ago. A lot of the innovation is incremential and small. You can't really notice the difference between a flank drive wrench vs a regular wrench until you go to use it. the Small teeth cuts are barely visible to the naked eye. Or take a koken ratchet, from the exterior it looks like a regular ratchet, and it only has 72 teeth? That's nothing special on a spec sheet. It doesn't even have a good handle. It's the minor incremential changes made in machining and design that make the top tier tools, top tier. It's hard to visually see these differences, its under hard use that the benefits come out.
I'm sure Sonic is standing firmly on the shoulders of the work Snap On, Mac, Matco and others have done in designing their tools. Even the tool trucks sell their Taiwan tools for 30% less than the stuff made in the USA.
This is awesomely helpful!! THANK YOU!! I'm just a DIYer who's just getting into wrenching in mid life (Just turned 57 today! WOOT! ) and was surprised to hear so many people praising Snap On. SO - I saw a truck and approached the guy then started asking questions. I was like you, I couldn't believe the quality and something seemed WAYYYY off. The price-to-value proposition failed completely and when looking online it's almost as if people have religion about an inferior product.....which is mind blowing but reminds me of the VHS vs BetaMax wars of the 80s, the XBox vs Playstation wars of the 90s and 00s and on and on it goes. Thanks for sharing your honest opinion but also backing it up with solid use and reviews. That's what's missing from so many people's vids, the reasons WHY they feel the way they do. Well done.
Just say you can’t afford it
@@roninbushito - you're obviously not too bright
One thing to note about this Matt. The Snap-on tool box is overbuilt per the specs. But there is a good reason. You'll see many old tooltruck brand tool boxes still working well from the 80's and 90's era. All that "unncessary" over speccing means that it can be used day in and day out, abused (a lot of mechancs are really rough on there stuff) and it will still be kicking. When a drawer is rated for 400 lbs, this rating is calculated by the weight excerted on the slides and repeated openinings. I forget the number I think it's 50,000 or something along that line. So, if a drawer slide can handle 400 lbs and 50,000 openings. Then, if its only loaded at 200 lbs, you doubled it's life span to 100,000 openings till it predicted to fail.
Yes. Those Snap-On tool boxes are made for a daily work environment of a professional shop. I watch a few You Tube channels that are from professional repair shops. The tool boxes they have are old. They buy it once and it keeps on working without issue. They've said they aren't cheap but they haven't replace them. They often times bought them when there was a sale going on.
As a Mechanic and business owner who uses his tools daily, I think foam inserts are more for the home garage and military mechanics IMO. The reason is time is not your enemy in those conditions "for the most part." The foam also allows you to see what's missing quickly and accurately, so it has a place in areas where tools cannot be left out. When you're fighting the clock on the other hand, the foam is sometime difficult to grab tools from and when you're dirty trying to keep it clean it can get frustrating. Proper reliefs around the tools in the the foam do help with that, but with daily use the foam get chewed up quickly... I'd suggest making a foam cut out with a plastic insert or plastic pieces in high contact areas of removal/install. Also some sockets now come with magnetic holders made of plastic which are great for installing on a cart's open lid or the side of a tool box. They also make for quick and easy socket removal.
The only thing I can say to this is the majority of the customers I work with are in fact not professional level mechanics, but the guy who is doing his own work out of his home garage.
I agree that the foam inserts may not be ideal for a professional setting. I would recommend something like a Tool Grid system for a busier shop environment.
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While I’m no snap on super fan boy, the sonic stuff just feels third class. Their wrenches feel like something I’d buy at Lowe’s, and their ratchets seem like something out of a Chinese tool kit.
Wrong
Nope
Back when I became a technician 29 years ago I purchased all Snap On hand tools & some air tools. 99% of those tools still are used daily. With that said when the Snap On dealer comes by every Tuesday I absolutely laugh at some of the prices that he lists off for their current product range. Especially their electric tools. They’re not even close near competitive with Milwaukee’s. Don’t even get me started on their toolboxes.
Snap-On stole Milwaukees battery technology and paid out something like $27m to Milwaukee. The price of the 14.4 SnapOn tools is nuts, but they’re good tools. The toggle switch’s make them worth the money for me.
Milwaukee ain’t that great
@@Everythingisgoingtobealright I wonder who makes their brushless motors ?
I like when he said he needs to clean the Snap on tools after use and doesn't have to clean the Sonic tools. What?
The chrome finish on the Snap-on tools gets disgusting just by looking at it.
My curated tool collection is basically all the best tools from Project Farms tests lol. Gearwrench ratchets, Knipex pliers, Wiha screwdrivers, Milwaukee impacts, etc
What sockets did you get?
@@JustMe-999a currently craftsman and gearwrench
“Dumb wrench in logo” 18:27. Same frame, giant blue nut in logo on wall… just sayin
Loool
That's actually pretty funny
Isnt the best way to compare tools by using them versus just looking at them?
I know quality when I see it.
@@ObsessedGaragethat's a load of shit.
This is so hilarious that he doesn’t even turn wrenches and he thinks he’s some authority on tools 😂
I think "the best" is a mix of brands. I really like the sonic box and the organization is amazing. I have the 73" ICON box with lots of different brands in it. works for me
I bought a set of Icon wrenches last year. I have a set of shorter Snap-On wrenches which I used a lot when I had my motorcycle. I needed longer wrenches so I bought the Icon ones and they have been working fine for me. Good warranty. Take it back to the store.
Isnt the matte vs shiny finish all in the prep polishing before chrome plating? So shiny = more labor = cost?
When you do some real wrenching everyday snap-on is king. We had some things from sonic… sorry but everything broke no more.
That’s all nonsense.
Thanks for the review, Im a technician for 10 years in Germany and I´ll stick with SnapOn for wrenches, ratchets, sockets and extensions. Can only agree with you when talking about the pliers for me only Knipex. Hazet has the best Torque tools they are very famous for. Comparing SnapOn with Sonic is like comparing Porsche with Suzuki, in the end we all arrive at a certain destination but How ? In the end you are right The Mix of tools makes the difference. Prost from Oktoberfest !
Snap-on is the NASCAR of tools, not Porsche.
That snap on box is 10x better then the sonic in every aspect lol.
Looks alot nicer, better quality. Sonic has double tools in the box because 60% of them are useless and junk bits that you will never used. Just like craftsman did in those sears 3-4 drawers little boxes they use to sell the would market 300-400 tools but half were tools/bits you will never need just to make it seem like a deal. Idk why mat thinks sonics screwdrivers are better? They look like the cheapest possible junk you could buy. Idk how mat is blinded with sonic. But its junk quality. Will never come close to performing like Snap on. But i could see why someone would buy them and keep them in there garage for show and looks. Snap-on is made to get used to beat and still survive not like sonic thats clapped up together.
He's blinded because he's a dealer for them, see the top comment on this video for more info on that.
Also his experience is not what a normal mechanic would entail ie: working with time constraints so it's no surprise he chooses what satisfies his OCD rather than what satisfies the task at hand
Honesty and trust is invaluable. Thanks Matt, for your incite and honest opinions. Without you doing stuff like this nobody would ever know. Love this kind of content.
Experiences, not opinions.
@@timkinley1779 How do you consider this to be experience? Time and actual usage of a product is needed to be informed. I’d consider what someone like Mike F would say because he has used the tools over time. This is simply brand admiration or lack thereof.
@@jayrev11 You must be new. Matt doesn't "give opinions".
How do you know this is honest and trustworthy? Because the salesman told you so? Whatever credibility Matt had is diminished after this series. I have thousands of dollars of both tools. Sonic tools are comparable to USA craftsmen with a Euro appearance. If you have a chance to hold both in your hands, you will pick SO 11 times out of 10. Matt has this “euro is better” mindset coupled with watching his bank account grow with each Sonic sale.
@@timkinley1779 I’m not new, just not naive! I support OG and will continue to do so objectively. My question to you still stands!
I'm lucky enough to work somewhere with a healthy budget. We purchased 4 Snap-On double stacks, well north of $100k, and they're all kitted out with foam inserts. They've been great, as they should be. Issues have been limited. A few twisted hex bit sockets, and a couple torque wrenches busted, which carry an extremely limited warranty. Shame for how much they cost. We could have probably doubled what we received going with another brand, but Snap-On being GSA makes things simple for us.
Honestly would be curious what Matt would think of Gearwrench tools. I feel like they are another company like sonic that makes really good stuff at a similar price point
Gearwrench has race teams now and tools trucks. Project farm has scientific test on almost every top tool brand.
Gearwrench is wayyy more affordable than sonic tools. Gearwrench also actually has some really nice innovations behind their stuff. Like their ratchets and wrenches. While gearwrench makes stuff oversea's, you'll actually see gearwrench in a professional's toolbox. Sonic tools are just rebrands of brands from another brand.
Yes. Gearwrench has most of their tools made in Taiwan. Sonic has raised their prices a lot the past couple of years. It looks more like they’re trying to take advantage that they’re a European company as if that means something.
Gearwrench is average owned by the apex tool group, apex was a joint venture and owned by danaher which owned the famous Crapsman brand. Apex got bought out by another company. Armstrong were good but I use Mac proto snapon and blue point
I respect your review, however to me Snap On seems far superior in my opinion. One HUGE thing you failed to mention I think is the versatility that the Epiq toolbox offers rather than the Sonic. The Sonic your getting that toolbox, Snap on there is limitless customization in the colors, the trim, the drawer layout, you can add side cabinets, hutches, power drawers, above head storage, additional toolboxes etc to it. Also, to me that Sonic really tall drawer is essentially useless space, and only one wide drawer is not enough. The foam is really nice in the Sonic but as you mentioned for example those Sonic hammer look quite terrible how can you replace them, without ruining the organization that the Sonic offers so your basically stuck with them.
plenty of other boxes can do that for less than a 1/4 of the price man even some of the harbor freight are attachable now
@@JSC2040 I have never seen a toolbox have as many options or customizability as snap on period.
@@JSC2040harbour freight US general boxes are literally copies of Snap-on that are made overseas. Saves you money, but not in the long run, and for me who doesn’t live in USA, there is no us general so I have to buy Snap-on if I want a good box
How long was the loan for and what did you settle for on the interest rate?
@@joiion913 I have not really looked at the new Icon boxes, but I have owned US General and they are straight junk compared to Snap On. If you don't have the money, US General and others are options, but Snap On makes top notch boxes and their service is second to none.
Also agree about new Snap On screwdrivers. I love the old school hard square handles. I bought 3 sets for my shop when they were re-released. New ones with soft grip are garbage.
Polished vs satin, I think that’s a personal preference. I like polished, they clean easier.
Sockets, 90% of the time I use Mids, both 1/4 and 3/8 drive. Have short, mid, deep and extra deep. But mids are go to.
Flank drive plus? Love it, but also have smooth ones. One of my complaints with Sonic is how many of their sockets are 12 points. I have zero use for 12 point sockets. Maybe that’s an aviation thing. After seeing the tool foam setups from Sonic, I love it. For my home shop, I will probably outfit it with Sonic and a cabinet array
Yes. When I watch channels that are from professional repair shops they organize their tools in certain trays and cabinets. They aren’t worried about putting it precisely in a specified location of a drawer. They have too much work to do. They know where tool is at. For home use it doesn’t matter if you take the time to put a tool away to a specific spot.
Wow, I mean, I guess the partnerships you make, at least your partners know they can trust you. The rest of us tho….. not so much unfortunately. How about the fact that for starters, Sonic is a branding company, to my knowledge they do not actually make any of their tools. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m willing to guarantee that of all the tools labeled Sonic, how many are direct copies of, or blatant spinoffs of, tools actually created/design/and manufacture by snap on. As far as those T Handles, I own the whole set also, and the fitment into fasteners is top tier, not better than Wera or Wiha or Any other top level drivers, equal. The screwdrivers, the amount of research and the tweaking of the shape of them, Snap On is THE cutting edge of all of that, and has been, for over 100 years. And to even try to say that Sonic has a better warranty, sheesh. Sounds like a complete nightmare to me. Call Sonic then what? Mail it in maybe? At that point they forward it on to the people who have a clue about tools, and should it be an expensive tool, maybe they don’t mail out a replacement immediately, then what? You just borrow a buddies for a couple months waiting?
That is nonsense. Those T-handles are junk. Snap-On is about as cutting edge as Nacar.
A factor to consider when evaluating Snap on is the resale value of their boxes and tools.
Or any of the competitors is a fraction of the original cost.
The reason I’m doing this giveaway is that my $30,000 spent on Snap-On would sell for $10,000 since it’s used.
Have you ever tried to sell a used Snap On, Matco or Mac toolbox? You’ll be lucky to get 25 to 35% of the original cost that you paid.
I bought and Epic two years ago. Mine is spec’d different. Drawer layout to my specs. Storm grey, all blacked out. Price was over $14k. I paid $7200. Agree with some of your points, spot weld visible on lower rail, appears unfinished. But for daily work, it’s pretty darn good. Filled with 30 years of my spec’d tools from many different companies.
From a couple of other channels that are actually recorded in a repair shops. They’ve had their Snap-On tool boxes for quite a few years and they’re still holding up without issues. In a commercial shop they aren’t into placing their tools with precision into a particular spot. Just like you those shops have tools that they use that are old and may not be made anymore.
How much will a used Sonic tool box be worth with in 10 years? Maybe $250, I’ll keep my snap on box that will still be worth 7k 10 years from now
Snap on ratchets, Milwaukie power tools, Mac air tools, any decent sockets, knipex pliers, vessel/wera screwdrivers, mechanics time saver organizers, tool grid, precision brand torque wrench’s, snap on extractors, snap on tap-die, harbor freight hammers. Box of your choice. This would be my ideal setup
I'm curious, would you ever consider looking at a complete Gearwrench solution since they have done their rebrand? Their foam organization options are similar to Sonic and they seem to have a decently robust catalog of tools.
Ok I see why you like Sonic now. You are digging the organization of how the sonic tools stay in the draws. That is very nice. They definitely thought out their layout. Have a good one.
Did Snap-On stop doing laser cut foam? We had a zillion laser cut foam Snap-On boxes when I was working on F-16s.
They have some tool kits for individual tools, but it's not great.
Wow, that sucks. We had engine change boxes the size of the blue one, every drawer was laser cut. And all of our other boxes were the same way. We had 33 F-16, and had a laser cut box, 4ft by 4ft by 4ft tall, full of laser cut drawers, for each jet. Maybe they just custom did the boxes for us, as maybe they considered it a commercial account? I’m not sure. But that’s sad to see a snap-on box that’s not all cut in custom laser foam in the drawers. We had some really nice stuff.
I was looking into Sonic Tools hard because I "fell in love" with foam organization. Every tool has a cutout, making it easy to find the tool's "home" after work. I didn't close the deal for a few reasons. The main reason: the price is just too high for what you get (I'm not a hater - I like quality stuff - your channel is great - no need to ban. I'm your customer, lol).
1) Foam is great when you are not using the tools a lot. Give these foam inserts to a "real" mechanic shop for a week, and you will see what I'm talking about: chipped edges, oil and grease absorbed by the foam, smell, etc.
2) 25:33 - Look at this combination wrench. No ratchet. Very simple design. Screams "MADE IN CHINA." You can buy Craftsman or Husky with 72 or even 90 teeth for a fraction of the price, making your life a lot easier if you use wrenches frequently compared to this Sonic non-ratchet design.
3) 21:44 - Bad example. Snap-On, in this case, is the better screwdriver because of the wrench feature alone. Do you want the tool to be pretty or functional? If you're like me, I want both, lol.
4) I agree. 24:44 - This set looks super sexy, but for this amount, I would expect better cutouts in the middle of the drawer. You can see from 3 to 11, they are not snapping into position; they are not even. I know I have a problem; these kinds of things bother me, especially if this one drawer costs over $2,500. It should be perfect or near perfect.
5) 24:59 - Your favorite drawer. Like everything in life, there's always room for improvement. I can see the sizes of the sockets clearly on the foam, but they are hard to see on the tool itself. I would expect some engravings with red (or different color paint) to see the sizes easier. Again, not a big deal if you are picking one socket at a time (homeowner scenario/weekend warrior), but if you are working with 10 at a time, it will be a lot easier to see sizes (especially when your eyes are not 20/20 anymore).
6) 26:42 - Maybe hammers with wooden handles are the wet dreams of carpenters, but I'm going to pass ;-P.
7) 27:20 - This "precision" drawer mixed with files and a wire brush doesn't make sense to me. This caliper is a joke. They should include Brown & Sharpe or at least Mitutoyo for this amount. Also, you can dull your drill bits if they are stored this way. I know I'm picky. I'm cursed :-(
8) 31:13 - I just can't believe these are not "soft closing / assist closing" drawers (even el cheapo Craftsman, Kobalt, Husky for 10% of the price have them).
9) 31:25 - Again, this is not the best way to store drill bits.
10) 32:16 - With all that good "junk," this cabinet is super heavy. In my opinion, they should use at least one size bigger wheels, and they should use the same color for the wheel mounting brackets as the cabinet itself. By the way, I prefer the full blackout version; this white logo and red inserts are not the best option for me, but they are not bad (this logo has to go ;-) ).
11) 35:42 - I couldn't agree with you more. If you want the best, you have to mix different brands. You will end up with the best tools for the task, like Fluke for the best test meter or Knipex for the best wiring "light duty" precision tools or Milwaukee battery tools, etc. But where is the foam insert for that? You will end up with different colors, different shapes, different brands, and your dream cabinet/tool set will look less sexy than this Sonic toolbox with (I will be generous here) average overpriced tool kits. But if the doors are locked, I will agree this is one of the best-looking cabinet systems on the market today 8/3/24.
So, at the end of the day, the same question remains: What do you want? What will make you happy? Looks or performance and quality of the tools? What is better? Ferrari or Porsche? I was doing track days with both. I got better lap times (same track, same day) with the GT2 RS. I was over 3 seconds slower per lap with the Ferrari 488 Pista and was fighting with the car a lot harder. All instructors at that place prefer the GT2 RS over the Ferrari (me too). But this is the race track.
To take the wife/girlfriend out for ice cream or ride to the post office or viewpoint on the top of the mountain or to experience V8 "noise," I would prefer the Ferrari ;-)
The pursuit of "perfect" is not easy and costs a lot. The more you know and the smarter you get, you realize "PERFECT" doesn't exist :-)
Great points!
What I appreciate most from Matt…is his candidness. Always calling it the way it is. 👏
To put Sonic price vs Snap On price in better perspective I just went through Snap Ons catalog and made a list of every 1/4" tool with as few doubles and unnecessary tools as possible and it added up to $25,523.05.
No wonder mechanics are fucked up
snap on websites prices and tool truck prices are two different things tool trucks always cheaper than the website
@@gregshearer423 Well, that is stupid. It would turn me off from Snap On immediately as a high end consumer that has a nice tool set at home.
@gregshearer423 ok so with discount maybe $20,000 for only 1/4" not including 3/8", 1/2", 1", 1 1/2", 2 1/2", wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers and snips, Torque wrenches, prybars, or hammers.
@@-MantaKing- just said it was cheaper but a still think your points pretty stupid cause you ain’t gonna buy one of every 1/4 drive tool snap on makes 😂
How do the foam inlays hold up over time? I'd be concerned with chemicals, oils, fuels breaking down the foam.
The inlays don't always look like the tightest best use of space.
What happens when a tool breaks and they don't have an exact replacement to fit in that cut out?
I'd also be concerned when having to add tools with the foam. It looks like in the long run, it could cause a toolbox that has tools all over the place, and the storage flow doesn't make sense.
Note I'm not comparing Sonic and Snap-Op or Tool Grid. Just putting my concerns and questions about foam inlays out there to people that have experience with it.
Snap ons foam trays have lasted me a few years. And chemicals don’t have much effect on them. Snap on tested their foam trays against a bunch of solvents and chemicals to make sure they’d hold up.
I can’t speak about the sonic ones because I didn’t keep any of them.
@@charlessimons668 Does the red turn black from grease stains or can it be cleaned easily?
I own Sonic toolbox. You can order the trays loose if needed. That's a big plus at itself. You can refresh them every 5 years and your tools look like new. If you order a box you get a card with an tag you can scan with your telephone. You'll go straight to the warranty page. Super easy.
I own my box for 6 or 7 years now, still going strong. Only 1 warranty required. Guy showed up next day. Asked me what happened. I was honest and showed him how I abused the wrench. Luckily: because 2 days later I got a bigger wrench for free with a card: "good luck abusing this one." 😅😅
Both wrenches and other tools still going strong. Cart as well.
Only minor: you really need to break in the ratchet wrenches.
I worked for a firm who provided me a roller cabinet within a week of starting with them. Don't get me wrong, all my tools were paid for by me beforehand and I worked for several firms over the years. I fastened my 5drawer tool chest on top of the roller cabinet. Then transferred tools from other boxes into the roller cab.
The roller cabinet has 3 full length drawers plus a lift up lid at the bottom for larger stuff like drills, screwdriver, batteries etc and some air tools. I'm retired now but glad I have everything organised My tools are a mix from different providers . Some snap-on ratchets but I paid up front or within a few weeks.
The thing about buying snap on boxes. is to buy used in good condition. I purchased a 60 epiq for 5k then a 84 w hutch for another 5k. Less than 11k for just one box. There’s a lot of good deals out there.
That’s the smart move.
Looking through the Sonic catalog, I can see a large gap in tools for heavy duty applications. True they have some 1” drive items, but owning a diesel repair shop, I can see where there would be quite a bit of lacking in support for that category. That being said, I would consider buying a Sonic loaded roll cart with essentials as a “helper” box for anyone coming to work for me. Unfortunately, I will stay with my Snap-on supply for my own use. Now, I don’t consider myself to be a Snap-on fanboy. I despise their shop equipment, power tools aren’t worth it compared to Milwaukee, and they do try to sneak rebrand stuff in as their own. To each their own, and for most applications, especially techs working for a company, Sonic looks like it could be a ideal solution.
There are many gaps in the sonic catalog
I turned wrenches in the 80s and 90s and still have those tools. When my built in 99 Snap On box finally had some rails get sticky, I called Snap on and they sent me the rails on their dime. If I need tools warrantied, I call them, send the tools to them, and they send back new. With Mac, I just send the tools and new come back. Where will Sonic be in 40 years. Taiwan might not even be a country by then. I'll stick with my made in USA stuff.
Matt morman you do not know about tools. You have money to buy tools but you dont know what real working people want. Also, not one songle tech has ever organized their sockets that way. Its biggest in back and smallest in front. That setup looks so home depot starter kit, and its full of snapon tools.. fly me out there and ill show you what people want in a toolbox. Im in naples. Also, love how you said "i havent broken a single tool" they are all brand new tools, you dont use them at all, and your handyman dosent use the tools like we all do every single day. The value waste in this video is hysterical
Exactly! My organization with Snap-on, westling machine co, and toolbox widget is 100x better than what this guy is selling! The dude sells tool organization, puts it in the Snap-on, does a terrible job at it, and yet praises the foam insert that sonic comes with? Cmon…
I prefer the look of snap on box. I love the color. I would’ve preferred the rhino top. Thats my style BUT how could I not choose the sonic box with all that Milwaukee power tools. Most mechanics/technicians really look into fit and finish most of the time.
Been watching this channel for a long time and have always enjoyed the content and appreciate the talk about quality work and tools. I understand the "goal" of this series is to compare snap-on and sonic tool boxes. But its been a consistent bash about snap-on from the beginning from the box to the tools. I knew it was going to be, from watching this channel over the years there's always been snap- on "hate". Cant take this review serious from matt simply because he is selling the tools/box that he says is "better" than snap-on. Would like to see a straight up comparison with the tools them self. Sonic vs snap- on ratchet not snap-on vs koken. There are many tool brands that you can compare with snap-on that make just as high quality or higher quality for cheaper or around the same price but that's not what this series was suppose to be about. Been very little talk about sonic vs snap-on tools them self. Maybe I'm just to American and don't understand.
No you’re right, he doesn’t really compare the tools at all, even in this video he just holds up two tools and says “eh the Snap-on just doesn’t do it for me”
He literally complains about Snap-on a chrome 😂 that chrome will outlive him, meanwhile the sonic will rust away in 5 years (at least if you live in rust belt)
Yeah I think I'm "too American" to understand to. I'm not saying Taiwan made tools are bad, heck I have some but I have never heard anyone say they are better than Snap-on. And I have been in the automotive/motorcycle industry for 40 years, since 1983.
Thanks, Matt…for your process of experiencing a variety of products, and curating the ones you prefer…regardless of the brand. 👍
when you where comparing both screwdrivers i think snap-on screwdriver look better to me . but if you trying to compare the price that a different story cuz snap-on is way over price but snap-on does make real good tools
Been a technician for 30 years and Snap On IS THE BEST. for most hand tools.
Nope
Even thought I don't use Snap On tools in a profesional context anymore.... I like that the SnapOn guy stops by every week because real mechanics break and lose tools. There are certain tools that Snap On does well and certain tools that aren't great. Snap On is one of the best when it comes to wrenches, sockets and ratchets. Many Snap On trucks carry Knipex.
As always I appreciate your passion and input.... but your experinece is not the typical experience. Most guys just want to work with good tools.... a smooth operating drawer and know that someone has their back everyweek if they break or lose a tool.
Snapon makes better pliers now better than Knipex for me. The truck markups on the Knipex where it’s not worth it
There's no way I could do what you do, don't have the patience, organization skills, budget or madness though I love tools. Great series. I would pick the Sonic if I didn't have most of the Milwaukee stuff up top. The color of that Snap On box is just too nice not to get. We will see if I get picked to choose. Good luck everyone.
When you swing off tools to make a living for over 30 years, perhaps then you can try and do a review on tools. Its personal opinion for some folks, but for those of us that actually support our families etc with our skills, knowledge and tools.... Snap On is where it's at.
I watched the vids you did way back with LZ, I thought you were a dick then, this confirms it now.
I learned more about tools in the last 6 weeks than you will ever know, so now what?
@@ObsessedGarageI guess you go back to the ignorant bliss of car detailing and the rest of us will worry about fixing stuff you can't.
No break free- CLP- and a rag- OIL YOUR TOOLS
Sonic tools are great for diy and home setups. Snap on is is better for everyday use if you’re wrenching for a living js
No...
We use sonic in our garage in the Netherlands. Snap on isnt really known here.
Sonic is also a Dutch company
How well do they stand up to pounding and standing on?, that's how I judge a tool?, p.s. what about Craftsman tools?
Who the heck stands on a wrench? I don't have baby arms, so I just use my hands.
I can say as a person whose family business is rebuilding cars and mechanics all tools break, wear out, get lost, stolen, or some never used. Buy what you can afford, use the right tool for the job, even if you have to make one for the job, and youll end up with a selection of tools from every brand that has a unique job and function.
We have everything from full Snap-On boxes all the way down to Stanley, Black & Decker, etc. We've broken tools from every brand we have and all have been warrantied.
At the end of the day all tools do the samething. Some maybe better at the job then others. You shouldn't break yourself over tools when a vast majority of the job can be done with a cheaper tool.
Like 50-75% of the tool brand battle is opinions of the past. At one time foreign tools couldnt compete. Now with modern tech and improved manufacturing methods they've really closed the gap.
That sonic box with the Milwaukee drawer would literally change my life i would make substantially more money and wouldnt have to work so much overtime to support my family even the snap on box would do it but having the Milwaukee drawer would make it that much better but either lf them would do it for sure i wish i could have entered this and won one of them
I just got a 56'' US General Series 3 for around $900. It seems amazing for the price. I would love for you to pick one up and give us your thoughts on it. Also, obviously not as big of an investment as the Sonic or Snap On, but I'm sure people would like to know what you think about it.
Have you tried Hazet or Stahlwille?
To be fair, Snap On makes foam inserts.......... Easy way to make that $35k become $70k 😂
Only a guy like this would try to make the argument for Sonic over Snap-On. Taiwan junk, no thanks.
He says in the video he hasn’t even used any of the tools yet somehow he came to the conclusion that sonic is better than snap on lol
Did I miss the video announcing the winners? Don’t see it or any mention on your website.
Check the latest podcast from last Friday.
The Sonic box is going up to Georgia and the Snap-on will be in Indiana.
Snap on box is beautiful
It’s amazing that you’re going to this length to try and prove a point and actually putting your money where your mouth is, but it seems like you have a weird nitpick.
Everytime you critique the Snap-on, and praise sonic you don’t actually go into much detail “all I can do is shrug my shoulders” is something you said, instead of saying something.
If you want to know who makes the best tool, just look up project farm, torque test channel, shop tool reviews and many more. In nearly every test, Snap-on always wins testing. So if you want the best tool functionality wise, Snap-on is the go-to in most cases. Japanese is amazing and better in some cases, I own many Japanese too. I steer away from Chinese/Taiwan tools when I can because they really don’t holdup, they aren’t good in the rust belt.
You seem like a car guy, ever heard of Volvo? They make really ugly cars, but they are also the most solid cars. It’s similar for many tools from Snap-on. Ugly but solid and functional.
One point you touched on were the dipped pliers handles, they are sticky for a reason, when applying a lot of torque you want the handle to have a good grip so your hand doesn’t slip off them.
You complain about the chrome Snap-on has, when that improved durability and prevents rust.
You Complain about their trilobe handle in screwdrivers, when that function is to provide grip for turning high torque
You complain there’s been no innovation for years which is just disingenuous at best, a blatant lie at worst, SOME tools from Snap-on haven’t changed much in years and there’s a reason for that, it’s the best design.
For example, vessel is a screwdriver manufacturer in Japan, they have had ball grip screwdrivers for over 80 years. The only thing that’s changed was the material they make the ball out of, it’s been the same shape for decades, and they are a top screwdriver manufacturer.
“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”
Your only good point is the point on the toolboxes build quality, but you have to remember, you chose a matte colour for sonic, and a gloss for Snap-on. Snap-on has matte ones, you should have bought both similar boxes and compared apples to apples. Maybe you only work on newer cars, so your needs are different, but anything with rust you need the best tool, the strongest and most precise tool. And having worked on cars for over 10 years, that is undeniably Snap-on. I didn’t start off with Snap-on, it took me years of fighting with cheap Chinese tools until I borrowed someone’s Snap-on tools that I realized the difference.
When he uses the word precision to describe Sonic. Is there slop when using a Snap-On wrench or socket. The only time I’ve ever seen a really sloppy socket was an old 1/4 drive Proto socket set I had back in the 70s. I eventually threw those sockets away. They were truly too sloppy. That’s the only time I’ve ever seen such a poorly designed and made socket being so bad. Now days I haven’t seen that kind of poor quality. I use my tools them for home use so I’m not going to go out and buy different brands until I need to. I bought my SK socket set back in the mid 70s and they’re still working fine for me. I’ve used them on two engine rebuilds and countless other repair jobs. I used to have a Triumph TR-4 that my older brother gave me after he graduated from college. That was a high maintenance car. It taught me a lot about doing maintenance. I thought the front disc brakes were big compared to what I was seeing on American cars that had disc brakes. Rebuilt the brake calipers with parts from JC Whitney.
There is nothing about the Snap-on tools that exceeds my expectations. The most I can do is shrug my shoulders at it. With the price they are charging and the quality presented, I simply do not like them.
I know that I can go to a number of other manufacturers and get tools at an equal or greater level of craftsmanship as the Snap-on tools for a fraction of the cost.
Snap-on tools work. But are they the best? No.
Nothing is perfect. Everything can be improved. Just because something isn't broke, there are still ways things can be improved upon.
Sonic is a Dutch company, not Taiwanese. We also use it in the garage where I work in the Netherlands.
Where are the tools made
Nice build out. Both boxes are missing electrical diagnostics and repair tools though.
He’s not a mechanic but a fan of mechanic’s lol he doesn’t turn wrenches he’s a hobbyist
The Snap-On trucks here in Australia often sell Knipex as well, because Aussies will not buy the dog shit Snap-On pliers.
Do you sell Snap On? 🤔
No.
@@ObsessedGarage how ironic 🤣
Snap On was always the ultimate in my mind. Thanks for your honest review!
It still is for the most part. This guy didn’t even use any of the tools 😂
I entered the giveaway. I like the sonic setup better but if I win I will choose the snap-on because there’s great odds I can sell it to a sucker with a Corvette who likes to overpay for average tools.
What a bafoon u are definitely not in the trade
I like the candidness but I feel like he has problems with things that’s no one else does just to be different. Their screwdrivers are excellent. Maybe you know a Japanese or German screwdriver better but the snap ons are still excellent. The ratchets are amazing and I’ve never heard anyone complain about their dipped plier handles but he mentions it like it’s common knowledge that it sucks.
Those screwdrivers are junk.
@@ObsessedGaragedidn’t you say the screwdrivers are great? @7:42
@@555fourthstreet8bruh 😂
@@scratchurcheeks786 did I misunderstand him?
@@555fourthstreet8 no
When I lose a 10mm socket..... the Snap On guy will swing by my shop and drop one off...
For $75…
@@ObsessedGarage I bought a deep 6 point 3/8 10mm socket for $22 a few months ago...... 😉
7 instalments of 8.99...
Do you sell these set up?
Am I missing something here? Most mechanics never buy just the tool chest. I don't see top boxes, hutches, side cabinets, or overhead cabinets on Sonic's website? Why would I purchase Sonic if I cant expand the box as my collection grows?
That makes no sense. If you have a giant immovable tool box with a bunch of stuff bolted to it, why in the world wouldn’t you just buy a superior cabinet array for a whole lot less money?
@@ObsessedGarage Well let me explain. Perhaps you are at the house you are going to die in. There are those of us who aren't. I don't know about where you live, but here in Ohio and many other states if cabinets are bolted to the studs unless you disclose that they are not included in the sale of the home you cannot take them with you. Anything bolted or screwed to the structure is included in the sale. Also, who wants to move a bunch of cabinets not on wheels even if they do disclose it. If I have a rolling tool chest that has expandable additions then I can keep adding as my tool collection grows and take it with me when I move.
This doesn't even factor in the guys who work in shops that need to be able to take their tools and boxes with them if they change jobs. No one is bolting a bunch of cabinets to their employers building. These boxes are not "immovable." Mechanics and tow truck companies move them every day.
You are a very smart guy who is typically logical, but the bias of what you are selling clouds you from seeing other angles and perspectives at times. Instead of saying "that makes no sense" how about talking to Sonic about the hole in the market they are missing by not selling hutches, lockers, and end cabinets?
yall understand that hes a sonic dealer right? Hes got a dog in the fight, this is not 100% unbiased.
Here is what you don't know about me. Bias is for weak minded people. I only sell what I want in my own cabinet.
@@ObsessedGarage And thinking that this isn't at least somewhat a sales tactic is also for weak minded people.
To be fair, anyone can also email a photo to snap on for warranty and have a tool overnight shipped for warranty…
They did just release an Epiq that comes completely filled with tools all in foam which is pretty cool.
Exactly!! Some people shouldn't be talking about things they have no idea about. I broke a Mac drill bit a couple of days ago. Mailed it to them and my new one is supposed to be here tomorrow. Just because you buy it from the tool truck does not mean you have to wait on him to warranty a broken tool. Most of the time, depending on when the tool truck came to your shop, meaning when he came in versus when the tool broke you can have the "company" warranty it before he comes back the next week.
You don’t talk about warranty snap on comes weekly to help you how would you get warranty for your Chinese Sonic tools.
You are the hundredth person make warranty excuses. Warranties are for losers.
Just wondering if anyone has tried the Milwaukee tool box and tools and if they are any good or even comparable to this stuff
Straight junk! Including husky, kobalts, crapsman. Buy a used snapon box or Macs. Or attend tech school and get half off list off snap on, Mac, Matco, or other brands
Judging by the Snap-On fanboys, I couldn't be one.
It’s not that sonic tools are junk I think it’s due to the high cost of labor for America made tools and sometimes you don’t always get what you pay for
I’m 9 minutes into this video. Is there a point to the video?
Have you checked out Ko-Ken tools from Japan and Wiha Tools (mainly screwdrivers)?
You can fill the drawer with lollipops. LMFAO 😂
Hi I've been a auto mechanic for years just recently retired, snap on tools used to be great, nice finish but it's the expense, they are just too expensive and they get there Hoi j s into you and Don't let go, during the end of my working days was usually buying alot of craftsmen and German made tools. It's sad that snap-on has gone down the tubes. J I st my thoughts hope no one is getting mad at me.
Did he say “I make a zillion dollars and can barely afford this”?
Yes
@@ObsessedGarageok that’s what I thought I heard. Honesty is what makes this channel. Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work.
But, but, but Sonic does not have the great heritage that Snap-on does. It's all summed up in the new marketing jingle I wrote for Snap-on...................."Snap-on Heritage: Keeping Mechanics in Debt for 100 Years"
Sonic is a Dutch company
Love the socket layout. I don’t like that it’s so far down. I’m always grabbing a socket or wrench I don’t want to reach half way down the tool box. Top drawer for socket second to top wrench’s.
Until a Sonic truck starts showing up weekly at my shop, they can kick rocks. I buy Snap-on for the customer service, not for the "quality". Which is easily matched in other places. I buy Snap-on because if I break something I get a new one within 7 days, and I don't even have to leave work to do so.
^This guy stays warm at night cuddled up to a gnome 😂
You're getting screwed, Dude. Crap tools at a super premium price. Resale is immediately -70% from what you pay.
@JamesG1126 you couldn't be more wrong if you tried lol.
@@ckmack I use tools for a living. You are a tool for a living. There's a difference.
If you break something it would be faster and easier to reorder one from Sonic (or elsewhere) than wait for the sleezy Snap-On man and HOPE he has what you need on his truck.
So who won?
Check out the podcast recording from last Friday.
The Sonic box went to Geoffrey from Georgia. The Snap-on went to Hayden in Indiana.
Matt literally bit the bullet for us
You know businesses are there to make money though. Luckily there is a market that allows people to buy from businesses that maybe prioritize quality more.
And who is a business that prioritizes took quality more?
The foam makes no sense for an daily tool chest. No way
Okay
Matt, thanks for the video. It kinda obvious but there is not really a one stop shop for tools. Knipex pliers, Witte or vessel screw drivers, nepros or matco ratchets... keep on down the list.
Exactly right. My goal is to have the best of them all, curated in perfect foam inlays.
Snap on is hands down better no matter what this guy says!
That goofy double song deep top drawer on the sonic is a deal killer right off the bat!
If you win you're more than welcome to take the Snap-on box home.
I have no need to spend anything to win, I already have a triple bank snap on tool box at home;)
Shoot, I just went to your website, you do not ship to my address, the snap on, (or Mac, Matco) trucks come to my front door. Guess It doesn’t matter how good sonic tools are.
I don't care what anyone says Snap On makes the best hand tools in the world period. I bet I can count on one hand the Snap on tools I've broken over the past 35 years. I'm even talking hammering the shit out of chrome sockets with an impact. The majority of my tools are Snap on but I own plenty of Mac, Matco, Proto, Craftsman, and an assortment of European made tools. I don't care what it is I will not lower myself to buy any cheap Chinese junk. That is exactly what it is and I will search hi and low and order something if needed before I'll support that country and their lead filled tools. Other than hand tools there are other American and European tools that are of excellent quality. As far as that goes Japan makes some of the finest gages you can buy. I'm not here to promote any one tool company but I am here to not promote sub par junk. Everyone on here also saying Milwaukee this and Milwaukee that. I have a few Milwaukee tools and they are good no doubt. I have no idea how they can get that kind of quality other than close enough having their tools made in China. I pay for the American made DeWalt tools and I'll put them up against any Milwaukee tool any day of the week. When I see DeWalt tools totally submerged in water or dropped in wet concrete and cover the entire tool and still work after wiping it off tells me something. I'm afraid to get trans fluid or anything remotely liquid inside a Milwaukee tool. The Milwaukee tools of old that were actually made in Milwaukee are a different story. They are tough as nails. Let's have cheap labor for bigger profits instead of employing people right here in the US. The US government says China is our #1 military threat in the world so I have an idea why don't we keep giving them trillions of dollars a year. When the missiles come you can say hey I helped pay for that one. Ridiculous and ignorant
Sorry man...I really, really wanted to love Snap-on, but they are not great. I just can't do it.
I'd love to see what Matt thinks about Ammo products. I've never seen a single professional ever other than the man who invents it ever use it. I know Matt has a man crush on Larry so be very interesting to see his take on that.
I've carried them in my store at one point. I've found there are usually better alternatives in most cases.
Channels like Project Farm and Torque test channel ultimately dictate what I buy in terms of tools. I don’t care what brand it is, as someone who is a mechanic I want the best performing tools that I can buy because it makes me more money in the long run. The feel of a tool does come into play when making a decision, but it’s very secondary to function. Looks are negligible as they’re all going to get dirty, grimey, and greasy.
Those channels certainly do their best to be objective, but nobody can tell you how tools will hold up over time. Just because a tool can take more torque once does not mean it will be a good tool in 20 years. For me, I'm more interested in how good the chrome plating is since I try not to abuse my tools by asking more from them than they were intended to do.
Those metrics are irrelevant no one abuses their tools to abuse them. Mechanics don’t purposely break ratchets and wrenches past failure and those two channels are shills and doesn’t account for long term reliability
@@user-fg2zg5ww4o those metrics are irrelevant they are probably shills. The metrics don’t account for long term reliability it’s almost impossible to test
@@roninbushito Torque Test Channel literally sends power tools out to mechanics to test long term reliability. Also as a mechanic I can definitely tell you that we push the limits of what our tools are capable of, especially on old rusty cars. That’s literally why we invest in nice tools with lifetime warranties.
Matt I gotta ask, if we lived in a world where sonic did NOT have their amazing foam system...would you be as sold? I feel like many of the people consistently wrenching are OK with their tools being strewn about....
I would use Tool Grid for organization if Sonic did not have their foam system.
@@ObsessedGarage so sonic tools in a Tool Grid > Snap On in a tools grid? Foam aside, trying to decide what to choose when I win the giveaway.
When it comes to boxes, I agree with you 100%. That’s why I bought a harbor freight.
Does anyone know when the drawing is?
I did the live drawing on my podcast on October 6th.
Skip to 1:20:00 in the video: czcams.com/video/ti7CGeCGfoI/video.html
I do value your opinion, The reason must love Snap-on iis they work in the industry and the truck comes to them. How do you warranty tools if no truck shows up. You mail them back to the seller / company and wait weeks to get it back. This is just an opinion Thanks for the video great job an the organization of each box well done
I will use Tekton as and example. I called them. The guy directed me to the website. I took a picture of the broken reducer with my phone and uploaded it to their site. Two days later I had a new reducer in the mailbox. No mailing in, no other questions. Simple as that.
for Sonic & Tekton you literally just take a picture of the broken tool and you'll have a replacement in ~2 business days.
The way that both of those boxes are organized makes no sense. Tons of wasted space, and a lot of bending down to get commonly used tools especially in that sonic box. The drawers are too deep in that sonic box. Wasted space = wasted money. You need some 1 inch drawers for smaller tools like screwdrivers and picks. The top drawer is just obnoxious, it is way too deep. I get into my socket drawer 10x as often as my power tool drawer. That is why I bend down to the power tool drawer and sockets are at the top wrenches are one drawer lower.
I think that a more fair comparison would have been a KRL722 master series box to this sonic. It is 54 inches wide, 26 inches deep, 40 inches tall, and msrp is $8,150. On at tool truck the sale price would be a lot closer to the price point of the sonic box and much closer in size (square inches & cubic inches)
Tell me you sell sonic with out telling me you sell sonic.
Nonsense. I sell what I like.
Nothing better than the truth! Thanks Matt.