Simon Jordan QUESTIONS If Jurgen Klopp Is A Premier League Legend! 😬🏆❌
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- Is Jurgen Klopp a Premier League legend? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin O'Neill have their say!
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This is why I say Simon Jordan just says things for clicks. A few days ago he said Klopp was better than Guardiola. If he’s better than Pep, how can he not be a premier league legend?
One EPL title in 8.5 years doesn't make you an EPL legend 😂😂😂
@@ericazu-xk4pfyeah but completing club football and achieving record points does
@@Do27ggI hope you're talking about pep and not jurgen cuz the accomplishments you mentioned goes to pep😂😂
Mans a clown, you cant say that one day and something like this the next.
In fact Pep is nowhere near a legend - to many question marks over city (and Barca bribing refs) plus he only goes to the best teams where he has money - he needs to do a Klopp
@@Do27ggRecord points is 100 and he’s failed to do that.
Simon Jordan's like my ex wife,he gives a different answer to the same question the day after.
To be fair, all women are generally like that (and Simon)
That goes the same for ex wives & current wives…actually all females
Misogyny ruins lives and not yours
1 minute Simon suggests Klopp is a better manager than Pep, and today he says Klopp is given ‘more prestige than he deserves’.. which one is which Simon?? 😏
The one which generates the most views and intrigue, that all that news reporting is these days
You are missed the point he's making.
He's saying that there were managers that won more in England that got less prestige than klopp.
Nothing to do with his opinion on klopp Vs Pep. It's more so the media's view not his.
@@dazzauk8334 Not many managers to win both the Champions League and the Premier League with their club and go over 90 points a couple of times I can think of
Which ever one simon ‘thinks’ is making him look smart by saying the opposite to the general thinking of that day
whichever one gets the most clicks
Claudi Renieri is DEFINITELY a PL legend
by at least a million miles
Claudi > Fergie
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Behave yourself. Klopp won the Title on a pittance, their fans keep telling us...that £800 million pittance! 😂
From a Leicester City fan, don't know how we won it !
With him as manager ! if he'd have managed us properly for another 3 season afterwards,
we wouldn't now be in the
Championship.It's not what he did,it's what he didn't do !
I am an Arsenal fan. I know what legend is given I spent over 20 years being entertained by one of the greatest managers the game has ever seen. Jurgen Klopp is a football legend. He has taken two sides that aren't uprooting trees in two of the top leagues in Europe and won leagues with them and won a Champions League with Liverpool. Liverpool is a huge club. I know my club is massive but Liverpool is a titan not just of English football but European football - Klopp has awoken that club and ensured continued success at the top of the Premier League. I remember a Mesut Özil inspired Arsenal hammering Liverpool at the Emirates Stadium 4-1 under Arsene Wenger - Klopp took that Liverpool side to what it is now which is one of the best in Europe. He is legendary and undoubtedly world class.
And here is a voice of reason.
For a Arsenal fan to admitt that I respect you
pfffft. if he is truly a legend people won't question him like this when he is still around.mark my word. in 10 year people will laugh at your face when you say this out loud,. esp if you try to claim he is pep rivals. he is nothing but a media hype job who didn't even have a consistent top 3 finish in the league. just another guy that will be remembered as pep footnote.we need to be honest that he is not pep level. great manager is a serial winner.before we continue this convo I need to ask you all, which pl win are more special Ranieri or klopp? which cl are more special klopp or tuschel?
@@asruluveira you are in the age of social media. Of course they will question it. Just like they will question has pep ever built a team up (not a team already at the top)
Or do cities trophies count, as they were all won on the back of lies and cheating.
@@howmuch75 you won't even answer a simple question. which epl win is better Ranieri or klopp? it is fine if Liverpool fan want to claim he is the best and write off the likes of Paisley etc.. but please don't do it to the epl.. At least have a gold standard of 2 title which klopp can still achieve this season. this is how we can safeguard the quality and standard of the epl.
Simon backtracked from yesterday when he said Klopps the best manager ever and now says he isn’t a PL legend. I think Simon is thinking his popularity can sanction ludicrous statements without the need to say publicly he was wrong.
Best manager ever for his body of work over his career not just the premier league
Body of work 😂 winning one bundesliga and losing 2 finals. Maybe I'm wrong but that's doesn't seem like the body of work like Jose, Ancelotti fergie or others have. Maybe I'm wrong
@luciferbeelzebubmoloch8724 I was just pointing out what Simon meant. I don't think he is better than Pep. But you have to remember he has worked at teams like Dortmund and Mainz who didn't have a budget anywhere near Munich. And he is still the last manager away from Bayern to win the league. Then to win the champions league and league with Liverpool is a great achievement
@@luciferbeelzebubmoloch8724 Forgetting a few trophy's mate. But then a tit with "please notice me" moniker is hardly is usually not the most rational.
@@luciferbeelzebubmoloch8724 He's never managed the top teams in their respective leagues, like those other managers. Or in the case of Jose had the huge financial backing needed to win more major trophies.
At Dortmund, he won the league back to back and got to a CL final with a far inferior team than the competition, and had to deal with losing his best players to his direct rival for the league every season.
Takes over a dismal Liverpool team in 8th place, completes club football and wins every trophy on offer. Gets 90+ points 3 times, having an absolute fraction of what City have spent, and what most of his other top 6 rivals have spent. It's highly likely if it wasn't for City cheating behind the scenes he would have at least another title or two. As well as getting to 3 CL finals and losing two of them in unfortunate circumstances.
It took Fergie 7 or 8 years to really get things going at United. Liverpool were not in a good way when Klopp came in. What he’s done at Liverpool has been remarkable. Coming up against a team with an endless pit of money in City not to mention all the allegations against them. Lost out by a point on two occasions in the league and took us to two CL finals and won the CL. WON both domestic cups. To win the league after 30 years was a massive achievement not to mention the other trophies. Klopp is a legend.
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One premier league and one champions league. It’s not that deep. How is he a legend? Only Liverpool fans will argue because they love klopps gluteals. He did well at Liverpool he is not a legend tho. Just throwing the legend word out there like he was there for years winning year in year out! No different to the Benitez. The only difference the league tbh
So true 👍
Incorrect. It didn't take Fergie 7 to 8 years.
@@kwl189 He was appointed in 1986, he won the premier league in 1993. Have you been to school?
Klopp won 6 trophies in the time of Man City and Pep. He also reached other finals and came second in the league twice with near record points totals. Rebuilt Liverpool twice. And there could be more trophies this season. I think he's done amazingly well.
So second in the league and losing 2 out of 3 cl finals count as trophies now?
7!
@@hundredpercentx It's called presence. Have many teams been that present at that level? Yours? Mine hasn't.......COYG.
@@gillie-monger3394 I didn't count the Charity Shield.
@@hundredpercentx N and I didn't say they did. One of those CL losses was with Dortmund, where he won two titles, once again going up against a much bigger and richer club.
One premier league trophy in an era against a club with an unlimited cheque book and 115 charges is quite the accomplishment.
Ranieri beat that club with a relegation battling team in Leicester. Ranieri is better than Klopp 😂
@@myhatmygandhi6217 yea, cos that’s obviously how it works
Simon - "Klopp is a better manager than Pep."
His one PL win is the fastest any team has ever done it, in terms of game week.
Also lost ONE game all season the previous year.
Also got 103 out of 105 points at one point.
@kd5973
I'm not giving you the "he only lost 1 game the previous season" not just because it was a BIG game to lose vs direct rivals so basically 2 losses in 1. But it's not like people obsess over how Liverpool lost 4 ChampionsLeague games in 2018/19 needed home advantage vs direct rival for knockout place and a dodgy pen straightaway in the final but how many CL winners lose 4 out of the 13 games??
Also about Liverpool winning by a lot in 2019/20 their first English title in 30 years, law of averages was that a club like Liverpool should win at least 1 in over 30 years. They made sure they didn't f it up that particular year but don't over exaggerate it. He didn't win anything for nearly 4 whole years at Liverpool with all the different competitions they could've possibly won and he has also had a couple of bad seasons even post VanDyke signing which was when it started getting better for Liverpool, which included finishing outside top4 last season and trophyless.
Not in the same season. Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics
@@mankydave67did I say the 103 in 105 was in the same season?
@@FootkerSnookball hes competing against a team that are actively cheating. everyone knows it, the FA are incompetent so they are only just recently investigating it. I cld care less if mopes like you think he's a PL legend. Klopp's name will forever be synonymous with success at Liverpool and changing the way teams in the PL play. his legacy will only be elevated once the hammer comes down on City and they are stripped of all their titles.
Its still only one premier league title regardless of the statistics and it was in an empty anfield so the fans didn't get to enjoy it.
if you've won all the major trophies you're surely a legend. Liverpool didn't just do a Leicester and win the PL, they were regularly in contention for it. Have to factor in too that there have been teams in recent years that were better resourced. Klopp's definitely a PL or english football legend.
Plus 3 Champions League finals. How many managers have ever achieved that? Some but not many.
Klopp`s net spend is £433m while Pep`s net spend is £478m. You`re trying to tell me that the half a Nunez extra is the reason why Pep has won 5 titles to 1, a cl apiece, 2 fa cups to 1 and 4 league cups to 1.
@@Petersworld77 Fergie did it, Zidane did it, Ancelotti did it, Pep did it, difference is they all won multiple CLs, unlike Klopp
'Regularly in contention for it' but only won it once, doesnt that make him and liverpool bigger 'bottlers' than arsenal? Opposing fans love to shout that about arsenal so why are klopp and liverpool treated differently?
"Regularly in contention"
They finished second twice
United fan - 100% Legend. Where he took Liverpool to the best team in the world at one point.
One title. Let’s hope you don’t have these standards for legend basis for United.
He is a Legend at our great club,that's all that matters to us reds
paisley with the billionaire moores money yes klopp no
Absolute legend coming from a Utd fan. He will be forever remembered.
Simon Jordan and his opinions will be forgotten
Didn't Simon say he's better than Pep a miniute ago?? 😂
He does mention it later in the video
What's your point
yes, because you can be good, but if you don't win 5 or 6 or 13 titles you are not a legend
Can you imagine for one second what Jurgen could have achieved if he had the backing that Pep did.
@@bucharestred I've always said that if klopp managed man City they would have had the same success similar if pep managed Liverpool I would say Liverpool wouldn't have achieved any less I'd rate both equal
To all Liverpool fans he's a legend forever. Who cares what other think. It's what your own supporters think of you that matters. Don't live your life needing unimportant people's validity.
to define legend, its what others think also, many say henry / keane / giggs / vieria / makelele / shearer / sheringham are legends, as an arsenal fan - i have no issue stating a player who played for a rival is a legend, it shows the respect they earned by what they did / what they won, despite who they played for. legend status rises them above rivalry and as a "club" player
OR any validity for that matter.
Low standards for legend status
who do you support?@@stretfordender11
Oh Simon, likening Ranieri's achievement to Klopp's is ridiculous. Ranieri won the league with the shortest points haul, 81(and good luck to him). Klopp's Liverpool achieved points finishes of 97, 99 and 93, only one bringing the title. We're amongst the weeds here analysing achievements, not just looking at trophies. Not to mention 3 CL finals, losing two to Real Madrid. So, these are not too bad really. It's too easy to looks at trophy hauls, anyone can do that, but let's look into it in more depth please.
The word legend gets thrown around too often. I'd say he's a PL icon.
Whether he's legendary or not time will tell... After 25-30 years.
That and 'goat' are thrown around like everyone deserves a medal
As an Everton fan,you can’t dispute his credentials,the man is a legend!
I put Klopp-Guardiola in the same frame as Fergie - Wenger. Fergie was way more successful, but they would not have made the premier league what it is without the less successful ones pushing the more successful ones every step along the way. Klopp is a legend because he not only took it to arguably the greatest manager ever, he like Wenger revolutionised how the English game is played. That is a legend in my book!
Revolutionised how the game is played, how? I don't see teams copying liverpool... I see teams all the way to the championship passing out from the back, I see complaints of overreaching, I see several EPL managers siting pep as their influence...
He is a very good manager but you cannot place him in the same level as Sir Alex.
He didn't revolutionise the game like Wenger. When Wenger arrived he literally changed the way other clubs looked at their player's fitness, health and the preparation that goes on away from the field - right down to the food they ate and what they drank. I didn't see anyone copying Klopp's Liverpool or see him bring anything unique or special to the game. And he's not in the same league as Sir Alex and I'm an Arsenal fan saying that. His longevity, consistency and success is unmatched even by Pep.
well said
Pep revolutionised how football is played in England not Klopp.
It's not everything about winning. Kane won nothing, but will be the legend of Premier League.
😂@@PhilipFlop1992
@@PhilipFlop1992difference between taking part and getting 92 points and 97 points..for reference that’s more than any United team
Quite right, Jimmy White for example is a legend of Snooker, yet he never won the world championship , in fact he lost in the final, 6 times. Yet he is still a legend of snooker.
Ala Shearer
@@Do27gg welldone on the highest 2nd placed loser titles 🏆
Don't often agree with him but he's right. 9 years in post, 500 million spent and 1 league, 1 champions league and 2 domestic cups won without even scoring a goal in either final makes him good but not great. Lots of nonsense being talked. Not in the same class as past Liverpool managers especially with the way he behaves. And way behind the likes of clough, ferguson, winger & guardiola
Making the league better and actually following the rules 😉 makes him a legend in my opinion
what hacking into citys computers
Asthma FC
So did Ranieri. And he did not have to fight the money machine
Of course he is despite the one title we class ranieri there for his 1 with leicester when it’s been over 50 years they hadn’t won a title yes he is a legend
Glad to hear the shout out for Bill Nicholson!
He is a Pl legend it’s about the moments he provided. Eg Gerard never one the EPL but still a legend, same with Kane. Shearer only has 1 EPL
Shearer is a PL legend because of his all time top scorer record. Ridiculous comparison to make
And Klopp has three 90+ point seasons, two 95+ point seasons and produced the best team performance in a single year in the PL (having the league tied up by February, against a great City side). And if he'd been remotely properly backed by the Liverpool owners he'd have 5 straight 90+ point seasons. He's done all this with a net spend of around £40mil/year. Ferguson only got 90+ points twice in 27 years.
Also it's obvious City have been cheating and should have their titles stripped from them. Which would give Klopp 2 more titles. @@jhpfdijtuiweruot
Trophies are important, but they're not the only measure. Klopp's impact on the PL exceeds the trophies he's won. Like Pep, he's influenced the style of play (arguably with pressing bringing back something that used to be a feature of the game over here but had fallen off), and Pep has often credited Klopp's role in City's success story - City are better than they would otherwise be for having a rival who can push them to their limits.
Pressing is new is it? Barcelona and Dortmund were doing it 10/12 years ago
@@whodoyouratemore Expressly said it wasn’t new - almost nothing is. Things fall in and out of fashion over time. Klopp was influential in popularising pressing in its current form (as you acknowledge by referencing his Dortmund side…)
Consider the points... Teams have won the league with points in the 70's and 80's in the past... To consistently obtaining 90+ .. Thats legendary.
Not like Pep
@@TotalllFootball Yes, different from Pep, but still legendary.
From a man utd fan he's a great manager he's literally made every player better in his squad and has great passion I think he's premier league legend
Clearly never been to Manchester once in your entire life
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot well I have and what's going old Trafford got to do with my opinion?
so he made navi kator better
@@adamlester1980 A Manchester United fan wouldn't need to ask that question. Well done for proving y point for me
Do you bore everyone like this? people can have a opinion other than your own. He has made many players better! Tell me what managers have made our players better since Ferguson left . They give them massive contracts and can't push them out unfortunately we have a few years to go in this mess but I'm sorry if klopp never went to Liverpool in the first place you would have him 💯 !!
I’ve watched them all. Shankly & Paisley were amazing, Dalglish was good. Jurgen is the best of them all. A true legend.
If we put things into perspective and context Klopp is easily one of the best Premier League managers there ever were.
Klopp arrived at Liverpool in 2015 when Liverpool were in absolute shambles and lost to Stoke 6:1 on the last matchday of 14/15 season. He inherited a squad full of below average players and with a limited budget he managed to bring Liverpool to the top in less than 4-5 years.
In the 2017/18 season he managed to drag an average Liverpool side to a Champions League final against probably the strongest side ever in Real Madrid. In 2018/19 season he won 97 points (30W, 7D and 1L) and failed to win the league, while winning the Champions League. The next season (2019/20) he won the league with 99 points and at one point of the season, Liverpool had won 103 of 105 points available! In 2022 Liverpool won the two domestic cups and were the only team ever that was in a quadruple chase until the last day of the season. Liverpool lost another PL title in the last matchday with 92 points and another Champions League final against Real Madrid. I am certain that Klopp will for the foreseeable future be the only manager that has managed to accumulate 97 and 92 points and not win the league. Absolutely insane!! These are levels that only Klopp and Guardiola have managed to sustain for a longer period of time. Fergie's best ever points tally is 92 - Klopp in 8 years had 92, 97 and 99 points and managed to win the league only once.
Here is where we should always bring the context into play. If we compare Klopp's and Pep's paths to these achievements we would see that Pep inherited a muuuch much stronger City side than Klopp (De Bruyne, Kompany, Sterling, David Silva, Aguero, Jesus Navas, etc.), and a squad in which milions and milions of pounds were invested in the years prior to Pep's arrival. On top of the already decent squad, Pep had the luxury to spend 530 million euros in his first two years, with a net spend of 400 million euros. For comparison Klopp in his first two season's had a positive net spend of 17 million euros. Yes, Klopp has OBVIOUSLY spent money on players, but when you say that someone spent X amount of money, you have to put it into perspective and compare it to the rest of the playing field. Liverpool under Klopp have a lower net spend (330 mil.) than teams like Villa and Newcastle, while the teams from the big 6 are far far ahead of Liverpool's spend. Pep has had the luxury to spend over 500 million euros on defenders only and the luxury to have players like Kalvin Phillips that cost 40-50 million and never even play a game for the team. Not the mention the astronomical wages of City players compared to those in Liverpool.
This leads us to the biggest elephant in the room - THE 115 CHARGES!!! So we are gonna sit here and pretend that Man City are not the focal point of the most complex and controversial case in the Premier League history, with already being charged and punished by UEFA 4 years ago, just for the ruling to be overturned behind closed doors in the Court of Arbitration for Sport because some of the charges were time-barred. The charges that are brought upon them show financial doping through fake sponsorships and revenue streams which directly influences the money available to spend on transfer fees and wages, resulting in better players and squad depth capable of constantly accumulating 90+ points.
Now, we can all count the number of trophies that Klopp has won during his time at Liverpool, but very easily the legacies of Klopp and Pep could have been very different because if we look at their seasons statistically, the titles in 2018/19 and 2021/22 were figuratively speaking decided by a coin-flip. One point, or one goal throughout the season would have meant a different outcome at the end of the season. I get it, at the end City won those titles but no one can sit here and act like Liverpool and City were not playing at the same level. One manager gets all the praise and is being called one of the greatest managers in the Premier League (Pep), while the other's legacy is being put into question just because he couldn't beat an oil state with unlimited amounts of money. What happens if City in 1-2 years time is found guilty of the charges? Wouldn't that make Klopp's achievements even bigger? Without City's financial doping Klopp could have easily finished his Liverpool era with at least 4 Premier League titles.
I would say that Klopp is extremely unlucky that he spent his time at Liverpool during the same era as this Pep Man City team, but for me Klopp is the best manager in the world and a better pound-for-pound manager than Pep. Pep has the trophies (for now), but they reached the same heights, with Klopp not having the financial backing of an oil state.
That is why the argument of the number of trophies won as the only achievement is stupid, because Kane wouldn't be in the top 100 for Premier League strikers of all time.
Klopp is without a shadow of a doubt a F***IN LEGEND of the Premier League whether people like it or not!! Just see the respect that he gets from all the other managers and players these last couple of days.
YNWA Jurgen, you can not imagine how much you will be missed!
Woulda,coulda,shoulda. The facts are Klopp has only won 1 PL title, in terms of the net spend the players Klopp has sold have all been either at the end of there careers Mane,hendo,Fabinho or fringe players who barely played apart from of course coutinho, Klopp has had TAA,Mane,Salah,VVD and Allison in there primes and has only won the same amount of PL titles as claudio ranieri
Klopp spent 850m....... he was not on a shoe string. The 115 charges has nothing to do with football it's accounting between the year 2009 and 2017 seasons.
Pep clears Klopp from Germany to England.
Klopp isn't a PL legend, he's a Liverpool legend
9 years, 1 PL. 1 UCL.
@@maneshipocrates2264 two league titles
@@maneshipocrates2264 he won all possible trophy at Liverpool
Tuchel won 3 of the titles in months @leeyongpong3578
He would have won the 2/3 more titles if it wasn’t for man cheaty
The Premier League, the Champions League, the FA Cup, the League Cup, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup is not FOUR trophies and it's not NINE years either, it's currently eight years and with the big potential to significantly add to the trophy count by the time Jurgen leaves.
Martin O’Neil seems like a great guy. I know it’s a little off topic, but he speaks with conviction and empathy at the same time. Doesn’t go for clickbaity sound bites which Simon Jordan and TalkSport are notorious for, he seems to be level headed in his approach to a question and gives credit where credit is due. Refreshing, given the antics of the other two at times.
Fans are best placed to judge and in years to come when we look back on the premier league certain managers will be mentioned and we all know who they'd be
When you deliver the title after a 30 year wait your a legend
A legend to LFC fans, maybe. But not in any way a PL legend, which is what is being discussed here
Folliwed by 1 of the worst title defenses
@bartman01liverpool are the 5th highest spenders every season in the premi leaugue 021988
i could make a comment debunking the points but this is obviously just something to get engagements and have people talking about the show, they don’t believe what they’re saying they’re just tryna get a shocking title
the fact they write it as QUESTIONS tells you all you need to know
Leicester and ranuari won one premier league still legendary I watched a documentary on marcelo bielsa and pep said titles are just numbers it's about what you leave after and what klopp has done for Liverpool is legendary
A great argument between Martin and Simon, really entertaining.
Klopp: if not for pep....😂
The trophies is such a stupid metric when it comes to Klopp. Almost won a quadruple ffs, only 2 games away. No one has even been that close to one before.
Lost 2 leagues by a point with points that would've won pretty much any other season in history. Don't take the piss and give the man his dues.
You making klopp out to be a nearly man 😂
Klopp is a liverpool legend.
Considering the legends of premier League like sir alex and wenger, only getting one premiership feels he hasnt met the requirements yet.
If you had to choose someone to manage your club today , a blank canvas, build a team ,all with same resources, how many would you choose above klopp , I'd take him
The club was worth just under a billion when Klopp took over… the club is now worth 4.4 billion! In that period he’s won it all, most exciting team to watch, expanded the capacity of Anfield, new training facilities, squad rebuild, and most importantly has changed from doubters to believers! That is what you call success… can any other manager match that?
Can any manager match that? Have you not heard of a man called Pep Guardiola, who not only matched him, but blew his (not very impressive) PL record out of the water? Lol
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot And let’s not forget success with financial fair play… Good luck with the 115 breaches 😳
@@surjsha2853 I'm a Man Utd season ticket holder. Why would I need luck for the charges against City? Lol
Thanks for the cartoon emoji, though. That's adorable
@@surjsha2853 And on the hypothetical basis that City are stripped of their titles, how many years did Klopp finish in second place behind them? (Clue: much less than you think). Try harder next time
Inflation extra worth in Tv revenue makes a huge difference they would still be worth a similar amount with another manager
He is a legend and thats just my opinion, bottom line is if it wasent for Jurgen and his Liverpool team City would have absolutely decimated and dominated by winning the league every season by a huge margin points wise they would have no challengers whatsoevers. Jose Mourinho once said coming in second to City while he was managing at United was one of his greatest if not his greatest achievements as a manger.
Thats how absurd of a challenge Klopp and Liverpool have had to deal with for the last 5-6 years and the fact they could have quite easily had 2 more titles to there name and only lost it by a point shows you what an incredible manager he is when hes coming up against a state owned team with absolutely nowhere near the resources that Pep has had.
Keep in mind this is not a slight on Pep who i regard as a world class manager but i feel that Jurgen Klopp is the better of the two.
Jose meant with that man United side , he had nothing to do with Man City , he meant with the players he had to deal with .
@@wisdomtowealth5169 Thats true but he also had to go up agains what is arguably one of the greatest sides in Premier league history in City to.
context matters
@@alexischristou3266 So what? Mourinho and Wenger had to go up against Fergie
@@alexischristou3266people forget klopp also managed 1 of the worst title defenses in history.
Simon doing a 360 on Klopp since Friday 😂
Just over 8 1/2 seasons, and this season isn’t over.
No one cares what others think, klopp is a legend to us.
Nobody said otherwise. He won't ever be a PL legend, though, unless he returns and wins more titles.
Klopp has won the Champions League as well as the Premier League. That's quality when Pep and UAE money is your opponent.
@mustafamar1437 and Klopp haven't spent money, right?
You have people debating if VVD is the best ever defender and if Salah is the best right winger and if the goalkeeper is the best goalie, so please tell me what are you saying. Did he work with League 2 players please
Sometimes Looserfool fan can be a law and money experts 🤣
@@stanleyonyejiaka9348 3 champions league finals is impressive. Being a runner up to Real Madrid or Manchester City is no disgrace. He got the best out of his team in a highly competitive world. Other managers would not match him.
@@mustafamar1437 Diego Simone won the Spanish League once and got to the finals of the Champions League twice so is anybody claiming he is the best coach in the world. The English press and fans hype individuals and teams in the league but those individuals are not considered the same way outside of England. Please tell me any past player who has referred to Klopp as a tactical genius, I can't remember any. He changed Liverpool and all he is is a very good manager who gets the best out of his players by making them give everything for him. He is not a tactical manager and that's why when it first plan doesn't work he finds it hard to reinvent himself. Liverpool still plays the same way they did as from the first season he came to the club.
Pep has just said Klopp is the only manager to give him sleepless nights and his biggest rival. Obviously you know more so we will defer to you! Lol
Martin O’Neil the only regular guest that talks sense.
I’m literally 59 seconds into the video and I’m getting adverts already? CZcams is killing itself 🤒
115 charges vs 1 premier league title built from scratch. As a Villa fan I know which one I respect more.
Thank you for having common sense. If it wasn’t for us I’d love to see you win the premier league this season
Respecting it more wont make it greater than what pep has won👍🏿
@@shaunnyaku4628 bought*
No one cares about your respect, the record books will speak for themselves.
@@thelegendthatischels Those * will be huge in most others fans views, we all know the truth, just as you have money to burn on lawyers to keep you in the PL does not mean your team or manager are legendary.
Villa / Forest / Spuds / Barcodes are bigger clubs in reality, only there due to financial doping
Ranieri's PL with Leicester far surpasses Klopp's one with Liverpool. And we talk about him as being great, very good at best.
Klopps won every trophy you can win apart from the Europa League, sit this lone out soft lad.
@@stephenthompson-zu3ej ha ha ha 1 PL in 9 years, what a fabulous stat. Soft lad.
How many UCL does Leicester have?
@@jefepeeps4308but Leicester aren't a supposed "big " team,Liverpool are !
There are legendary sports commentators... and Simon Jordan
If Paisley and Ferguson had to compete with Pep they would only have won 1 title. It is that simple.
Don't talk about Bob Paisley when you don't know what you're talking about.
I know far more than you.@@FreshAlchemy
Bullshit.
1 PL in his first FULL 7 seasons (2016 - 2023), which is that exact same as Alex Ferguson (1986 - 1993)
4 European finals as well. Not too shabby is it?
Also, a new training academy, a totally revamped Anfield, and the club entrenched among the world's elite.
The most ridiculous argument on here . Alex Ferguson didn’t stop at one tho did he .Jurgen Klopp is a one of the greatest managers at present and one of the greatest Liverpool managers but don’t compare him to Alex Ferguson. 13 league titles . 38 major honours in 26 years at the club 🐐
Fergie achieved legend status by 93?
@@united6997 unimportant to compare to scum like Fergie. Fergie was lucky to have the financials and Liverpool was weakened in those years
Fergie got off lucky
Already a True Legend… And this season will Add to it.
By finishing runners up as per usual
Coach - Games in charge - Trophies
Bill Shankly: 723 - 10
Jurgen Klopp: 464 - 7
Bob Paisley - 518 - 20
Klopp is one of the great managers. He needs to win the league again this season to put him up with the PL greats
Simon just spoke facts right now. People comparing Klopp to Pep is just ridiculous. Making excuses and sounding as if Klopp also didn't spend a lot of money and didn't have top players, acting as if Klopp was the only one who stopped Pep this part 7-8 years when you have Leicester and Conte's Chelsea who also won a title.
Leicester won a title before pep got there and conte won it peps first year get a grip
There’s a huge difference between spending money freely and having to sell players to fund buying players.
@@ConnorTaylor93LFCnet spend is just over 40 million more for city.
Thats the difference between them.
Liverpool fans love talking about finances without knowing how close they have spent with city.
@@bartman01021988 your statement also depends on what time frame you’re using.
@@ConnorTaylor93LFC theres also the multiple world record transfer fees for liverpool.
Finances is not what has made the difference
Ranieri is a premier league legend more so than anyone else he did the impossible .
He only did it because Pearson kept them up against all the odds,so who is the legend ?
Obviously he is, he's on your mind,
Fantastic manager win or lose .
I think klopp has done an amazing job as others have said. The consistency of the team and making them one of the best teams in the world is something us Liverpool fans have not experienced for many years. Regularly challenging for all competitions at the highest level has been very exciting.
I do agree though that to be a true legend a few more trophies would be required so let’s hope he adds another premier league this year and chuck in the Europa league / league cup as well and then I would make a statue of him 🎉🎉
He would then be averaging a trophy per year and that is very good
The worst one i've seen is a poll saying that Klopp has more of an english football legacy than Arsene Wenger 🤣
The only people voting are Scousers and teenagers 😂
Wenger transformed english football with a professional approach we have not seen before. Like nutrition and sports science. Winning 3 leagues as well as never finishing outside the top 4 also was incredible. Personally, I do not rate the "invincibles" that much, because 90 points isn't that much compared to other teams in history. The only issue is that Wenger left on a bad note, which influences peoples judgement. And yes, never winning the Champions League surely hurts his legacy. At the moment Wenger still is a greater Premier League legend imo. However, the difference is not as big. Specially, if Klopp is going to extend his trophy collection at the end of the season. We have to wait a couple of months to judge his achievement I guess.
@@dave-ld8mo Fair comment. Klopp is a premiere league and Liverpool legend for sure, but personally I put him in a similar bracket as Mourinho.
Klopp and Guardiola are the Ferguson and Wenger of today, but don't quite seem to have that romanticism. Football was a lot different in the 90's and early 2000's.
@@christianchetwood2581is he a premier league legend?1 title with 1 of the worst defenses?ranieri has the same number of league titles and did it with a far lesser team
Champions League trophies Klopp = 1, Wenger = 0.
@@nu-metalfan2654 we are talking about pl
Klopp is a legend for what he turned Liverpool from when he started and too.
If it wasn't for Man City which are an incredible machine with incredible resources, they would have won more.
Remember those 2 seasons where Liverpool pushed City all the way and were beaten by a single point!
This.
You mean they came second.. They didnt push city they trailed them 😊
@@ianmacleod3079obviously a city fan. 🤡
But he's not a PL legend, which is the actual topic being discussed here
His record in the league so far is 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd and 5th, that`s hardly continually pushing Manchester City all the way.
Context is needed. In an era where Man City are getting 98-100 points a season, Klopp has don'e wonders turning this club around on a budget, 98 point seasons have only happened between Klopp and Pep since records began
I’m a united fan and let’s say he’s been great for Liverpool!Is Kenny dalglish ranieri and ancelotti premier league greats?it’s open to opinion 😮😮
Simon Jordan is a pratt 😂
Incoming people crying about city's success🤣🤣....Well then if that's what makes them sleep at night why not👍🏿
Can’t stand Liverpool but klopps a legend for sure. He’s up against one of the best teams ever city and got them to 3 champions league finals. And they play some great football
great manager though he is respected by most rival fans
I'd argue raneiri winning the league with Leicester should make him a premier league legend, bigger than klopp. I kind of think that gets forgotten.
Simon is spot on “if you wanna say a PL legend means winning 1 PL title? Then Ranieri is a PL legend too? Pelegrini is a PL legend too?” Klopp is a much bigger Liverpool legend than a PL legend!
Fact accumulate more points than the team in 2nd end of discussion... Stop the if this and that 😂😂😂 ... Empathy doesn't give or win you EPL 😂😂😂
@@ericazu-xk4pfhe is a legend. End of discussion
@@MWG87 Only at lpool
@@brianshockledge3241 I'm a Leeds fan and consider him a prem legend so clearly not strictly true. He returned one of the great clubs to the top table, plays brilliant football, doesn't spend stupid amounts of money, has 3 of the top point scoring seasons in history. He's a prem legend
@@MWG87 That will be recently bidding £111m for a player who chose chelsea will it. Or paid £75m for a centerback, £70m for a goalkeeper and a striker for £85.5m who couldn`t hit a barn door. He`s a good manager but this red media spoon feeding to the lpool armchair hordes that he operated on a shoestring is a myth. You know the one...A German messiah who walks into merseyside and builds a team from shoeless urchins he found on the streets of fazackerley and bootle. Suddenly there`s a candlelit procession to give thanks serenaded by a heavenly choir. Or the other gem that they`re still spending the Coutinho money from the end of 2017 ffs.
This coming from a guy who constantly stuck his nose into other clubs spending habits claiming he`d rather walk away and then spends money like it`s going out of fashion.
Yes...... he won one, might be two and thankyou very much!!! And i never thought we'd win the league again in my lifetime. YNWA!!
Beautiful conversation Simon is a bit full of it at times but it creates perfect balance knowledge mix with Passion you guys continue doing what your doing
Simon is absolutely full of it!
To be a legend you need to win back to back.
He would have it he hasn't been playing against a team which clearly doesn't play by the rules. Each season City replenish their squad, their subs are of equal quality fighter going off and the most ANY player plays a year is 22 starts! He has fresh legs whenever he needs them and they are all of a high quality. The worst part is it wasn't done legally (regardless of what the outcome of the charges be). So he's Klopp is a legend!
You have to do it without cheating. So Pep is not a legend either
Ridiculous statement. By your logic if you won this year, not win next year and win the following year then you are not a legend. So you can win four titles, but if they are not won back to back you are not a legend. 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭Couldn't help it
If the bar of being a legend is as high as it should be then no. SAF, Pep, Jose and Wenger are the only ones there at the moment.
Nah only Sir Alex and Wenger
@@jamesdshannon99 Yep
Agree with this.
1 league title in almost a decade is not legendary.
most clubs aren't even waiting long enough for his first title.
@@Boy10Dio Look at where LFC where when took over compared to city when the fraud took place and the fraud took over
Simon is spot On!! The manager shouldn’t be anywhere near the financial side of things!! End off!!
He's won everything their is to win in England bar the eroupa League some managers spend double triple what he spent and still haven't managed to lift it the only manager to stop city's dominace of the title and not to forget 115 charges that are not answered for 💯
The first 3 seasons we’re building seasons. Out of the other 5 he got 99,97,92 and would have won if 115 didn’t do what they did. No salt just facts. The greatest EVER only got 93 at the most. It’s all about context
1 title 1 ucl in 9 years embarrassing
Stop boasting about coming second.
@@elliott8709🤡
Quite right
@@elliott8709 if u are a fake plastic football fan who doesn’t understand context then yes YOU will find it embarrassing… congratulations 🤣
Ranieri bigger PL legend than Klopp.
keep telling yourself that
@@willloterzo8131 Ranieri won the league with Leicester in 15-16. What is there to discuss? If you want to say Klopp is a better manager than Ranieri? Possibly but that doesn't make Klopp more of a legend. Ranieri's achievement is definitely more legendary. Klopp has just been a very good manager.
Who?
@@Tulanwarrior klopp is winning a second league title this season and it's not his fault he got robbed of several league titles by a cheating city team
Rannieri is a PL legend for what he did at Leicester, and nobody can take that away from him, but what he did thereafter wasn't particularly noteworthy. Klopp completely rebuilding LFC on a shoestring budget against the juggernaut that is 'Saudi' City and only losing out by 1 point on 2 occasions is legendary.
Simon makes a good point by saying that his preference of Klopp over Pep is based on sentiment more than facts… this is true particularly because when you think of Klopps Liverpool you immediately think of the era Klopp played with 3 CDMs with Gini-Fabinho-Henderson and Milner as first sub… with Trent and Robbo flying on the wings and Firmino playing false 9 for Mane and Salah… that team was truly feral and wouldn’t allow teams to breathe… but in reality this team played that way for about 3 seasons in Klopps 9years… the Liverpool last season and current season aren’t the same team… ever since Klopp got Thiago/Keita to bring balance the team changed… so in reality Klopps team isn’t feral or playing rock and roll football currently but sentiment makes you think they do…
While Pep plays the best football this country as ever seen breaking practically every record that ever stood in English football. He`s literally changed the footballing landscape in this country while constantly being told by the "experts" (I USE THE TERM VERY LOOSELY) that it wouldn`t work.
@@brianshockledge3241 true, the view that city is a dominant team has been true for every season under Pep, Klopp is a great manager but he seems to take off seasons, for example last season he couldn’t make top 4 losing out to Eddie Howe, Arteta and Eric Ten Hag… this is worrisome when you then call him the best manager in the league hence it’s important to use words like sentiment and feelings when giving the title of best manager around
Simon used the word "ferile" though, instead of 'feral'. I've heard him do that at least a dozen times now over the years. There's no such word as "ferile". This is why Simon isn't nearly as smart as he likes to pretend he is. He's a pretentious clown who thinks his opinions are somehow factual when they're not, they're just mere opinions. Who cares what he thinks.
@@FreshAlchemy He caters to the clickbait armchair hordes who dote on his every word. This means they`ll believe any old tripe he comes out with.
@@FreshAlchemy 🤣🤣🤣
I’m a Chelsea fan right! To say he will win the premier league in five years that’s what he had planned and they did they won the champions league he’s won the league cup and the fa cup he’s won it all!! Give the man some respect I don’t like Liverpool all right il be honest but you gotta show some appreciation to people who achieve something great! So yeah I would consider him a great a legend!
Respect to you
At the end of the day, Klopp is a far more successful Football Manager than Simon Jordan was as a Football Owner
so what?
@@environm3ntalist549 So imo, someone who failed in their role in football (the club went into administration while he was in charge for goodness sake - you cant get much more of a failure as an owner than that) has little grounds for castng an opinion on how the successes of someone who didnt fail in their role in football should be regarded. In essence, someone who failed in football shouldnt really be "ranking" the careers of someone else in football. Its like Prince Harry rating how good a Royal , Princess Anne is.
So, Klopp is a PL legend because Jordan didn't succeed with Palace? Lol
yet you feel, from whatever position you place yourself in, that you can have an opinion whether someone else is allowed an opinion?@@TombstoneUK
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot No , that makes no logical sense at all, by that logic I would be saying that every manager who ever existed in the PL is a legend because Jordan didnt succeed with Palace. Not even sure how your mind has reached that conclusion.
“kLoPp hAd nO mOnEy”… he spent €880m which was €620m net.
Klopp would have won more Premier leagues if his main competitor didn’t have almost unlimited funds to build a team. I’d have Klopp as an England manager over all other candidates.
Definitely, in fact he'd have at least two more Premier League titles without a doubt if he had not been competeting with the cheating 115 FFP violators!
Take into consideration the budgets involved... Liverpool competed at the top levels with a fraction of city... That's why klopp is a great manager.
Klopp has won 11 trophies as a manager. Pep and Fergie both won 38. Jose won 26 so far......
Klopp has won half the trophies pep has with half the financial support.
@@aryan.4855😂😂😂😂
Who cares? Winning is winning man u had bigger resources than most of the teams when they won a lot of their pl titles does that invalidate it?
The only one them to compare is Fergie,teh other 2just go where they can spend big to win or arena a one horse race.
Look at Jose, cant do anything anymore now he cant £100m on bench warmer
@@aryan.4855He's spent 60% of Pep's money and has 30% of the trophies 😬
We at Birmingham need Tony Mowbray involved in player conversations to sell our project! Horses for courses
Don't care legend or not. As a LFC fan enjoyed 99.9% matches under him. And what he said when he came Klopp achieved all those things.
He was unlucky not to have more league titles. In two seasons (18/19 and 21/22) they were so close to winning them and lost them on the final day.
Name me any other manager in PL who has done so much for their club and city.
Klopp also has unbeaten streak of 44 games, 5 games less than Arsenal`s, but in that streak he has 39 wins, which is 3 more than Arsenal has in their streak, he has 3 seasons with over 90 points in 4 years period. That is legendary, there are many managers that won the PL, but there are not many managers with 90+ points seasons or multiple such seasons.
Klopp's Liverpool won one title without cheating behind the scenes, fair play (pun intended) to Klopp's genius managerial skills - a lifelong Man Utd fan.
my only question is, why quitting at a point where he built a dynasty, and is there something behind the walls that we don't know? To me, he is a true legend.
Tbh, I think his doing what Fergie failed to do. His leaving those who come enxt with the tools to succeed.
Liverpool started to dip when sir Kenny resigned due to pressure. Hopefully for them lightning won’t strike twice.
Interestingly, Klopp's achievments at Liverpool are very, very similar to his achievments at Dortmund. At Dortmund he won the Bundi twice to once with Pool. Won the Pokal once just like once at Pool. He came runner-up once for UCL at Dortmund, but actually won the UCL with Pool.
The main difference is he WON UCL at Liverpool and runner up twice, while he only did runner-up once at Dortmund, but he did win the domestic league twice in Germany...Klopp does have one last chance for a second English league title this year.
Klopps a legend because he has been revolutionary, he has changed the way football is played. Along with Pep gurdiola. There era has left a lasting effect on English football.
The way klopp uses the attacking full back role in a high line is a style of play he’s mastered and made his own. Aswell as the success he has with the money he’s had. It’s legend status
Simon Jordon more or less took Crystal Palace into administration. 🙃
They should get Jose Mourinho, Liverpool seems the perfect fit for him, defensive power house & ferocious counter attacking