351 cleveland Solid Flat tappet ear candy!
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2019
- Just a quick clip of my mach 1 at Idle with some little throttle blips muffler free while I change up the exhaust. 4V headed cleveland around 10:1 compression and a Lunati mechanical cam.
My ears. I've never been graced with a better sound than the 351c
Brought tears in my eyes and happiness to my ears.
Nothing beats the sound of old school Carby V8s.
Bringing back some memories, back in the early 80's my older brother had a 71 BOSS 351 4 speed....the original Boss Motor was gone, but had a strong 351 Cleveland 4 barrel and the rest of the car was all original...Top loader 4 speed, 3.90 Posi...even without the BOSS engine it was damned quick, kept up with all of the 442's and Trans Am's of the day, what a blast she was.
If you put a mechanical cam into a 4v with adjustable valvetrain its very close to the same as a boss (pistons and damper were different too but that's fairly minimal performance wise)
@@troyberg65 If memory serves you could use roller rockers from a Big Block Chevy. Same part and MUCH less money.
@@jomamma1750 big block chevy does use the same rocker ratio, and can work but don't have the exact same geometry as a ford rocker (clevelend/400/460 etc) I lucked out and got my comp rockers for $10 barley used off a local auction nobody bid on 😀
@@troyberg65 That might explain what kept blowing up the motor of the guy I knew that did that. Go figure, and he was supposed to be the big ford guru? Thanks for the heads up!
Never fails...when doing exhaust work you have to start it at least 3 times while straight off the headers!! Let er buck
Gospel right here
If its too loud , your too old .glad i don't have neighbors.
Almost brought tears to my eyes. I had a built Cleveland in my mustang looked almost like your car the 80's when I was in my early 20's. 12.5 -1 pistons, .650 lift cam, crane aluminum roller lifters, block and heads "o" ringed , head and main bearing studs, holley strip dominator intake and sooo much more...... I really regret having to sell car. I miss it.
Sounds like a wild ride; a Cleveland built like that in the 80's would probably outrun almost anything on the streets. If I ever come across a strip dominator for a good price I'll probably jump on it.
Why oring?
@@namechane1758 If you have the tools' cutting for o-ring fire ring around the cylinders is more forgiving on keeling the seal between the block and head.
When you get your hot rod like you want it never sell it, you will regret it the rest of your life. So get out there and build another one.
@@johnphillips2396 I hear ya, This is my first car, been with me 20 years, lots of time in storage but enjoying it once again.
One of my friend's dads had a Torino with a 351 Cleveland circa 1974. The dad was a race car driver and did all of his own mechanical work in his shop, and because of that, I was also impressed with his vehicle choice. He would let his son and my friend drive it once in a while, so I got to feel the strength and power of the car.
I'm 60 now, but back when I was 18, my very first car was a 1972 Gran Torino. It too had a 351 Cleavland, and it was my most favorite car ever!!!
That's quite possibly the nicest sounding 351 I've ever heard before
Thank you, a plan is coming together for a stronger motor too. Think I'll be sticking with soild flat tappet for the cam though.
Evil, wicked, mean and nasty. Must be a very agressive cam !
@@jeromebreeding3302 there are a few modifications necessary to run the solid cam at around .600 lift. dual springs, bronze guides modern seals stainless 1 pc valves, machining for adjustable valvetrain 7/16 studs and rockers. And a big smile when it all works so well.
@@troyberg65 I converted my Cleveland to adjustable rockers with a kit from Edelbrock. It featured a stud with a three eight bottom with a seven sixteenth top. No machining of the head was necessary, but my crane cam was a sreet-bracket-racing grind so that might have made a difference. The setup allowed me to use big-block Chevy rockers, and I was quite happy with the results.
@@jeromebreeding3302 yea those kits are a great way to go to an adjustable valvetrain on a budget. If I was going a bit less aggressive on the cam I would have went that way. I did get a good deal on the machine work for my pedastles too tho. Be sure to check geometry on the BBC rockers the geometry is a little bit different the the ford ones. I have comp roller tip rockers in it currently but some crane pro golds to go in for the next version I have planned.
Best Ford engine for reliability. My 1979 Aussie Ford XD ute has a 351C, been my daily driver since 1980. I’ve stuck with hydraulic lifters for maintenance reasons.
I'd have to throw the 302 in with it. Mine has 280,000 and still runs and races great
100% agree. 351C all the way for me. Had a 351XD back in the mid 80's (which i always regret parting with) and will be dropping one in the 250 XD I recently resurrected.
Me and my dad are restoring the 71 my grandpa raced back in the 80s, good to see a fellow fastback lover. We took the Cleveland out and put in a lincoln large block 460 with racing valves and headers. It'll be heading straight back to drag strip as soon as we hear it start. (Right after we change and balance the wheels, replace the 20 year old wiring and make sure it doesn't explode apon ignition)
Wiring is one thing I need to go through more on my car; the 460's a great power plant; working on one for my dads 63 f100 right now! Let me know how it does!
Crower makes some nice Ford grinds.
I'm more of a Chevrolet guy, but around 1988 I worked on a hog farm, and we had a flat bed truck, maybe 1.5 ton, with a 351 Cleveland, ran good, and plenty of pulling power, matter of fact, I would juice it a little to hard pulling a cattle trailer full of feeder pigs, and broke motor mounts twice, wouldn't know until power steering quit working, would snap hose when engine twisted too much.
I'm a Chevy guy.... But damn!! This is bad ass!! Sounds like it's ready for war. Much respect 👍.
Thank you! giving advise to a friend and helping out a bit on a 383 build for his camaro right now too.
@@troyberg65 hey hope that Camaro is coming out good. I hope it sounds as sweet as that mustang does.
Cleveland Rocks! Man....don't wash it, don't paint it....just drive it like that. So badass!
Repair, refurbish and improve is the name of the game for me at this time; I do intend to fill in the rust eventually but being rough means I can enjoy the car and not worry about gettting dings or scratches here and there
I would buy that last rev for a text tone on my phone!
That would definitely get your attention👍🏻🇺🇸
Nothing like solid lifter sound, have to tune them more but damn that makes a man hard in a heartbeat.
I have a large valved 66 289 with a solid lifter crower cam 478 and 471 lifts and wide duration of 245. It has a comparable potato sound. It sits in a sweet 64 sprint.
Going solid was an awesome choice, really like it for these old v8's Just gotta watch the oil!
Yep, Lucas oil has zinc for flat tappets.
memories indeed.... of my neighbor back in the late 70s early 80s and his two 70 Mach ones with 351C's
one was practically a race car and scared the ever living bejesus out of me..... i feared it as kid.... but OMG.... 13.5:1 compression, solid cam, rollcage, 4spd, and slicks
makes a sound that is pure music to the ears.... also while being scared lol
canted valve iron heads...... and a solid cam... just pure joy (i'm a lot older now lol)
They become a different animal when you rev them past 7000 thats for sure, my late father ran clevelands in his 69 for years and was blown away when I took him for a ride with this motor in the 72 he got me when I was 16. He always stuck with hydralic flat tappet cams; Clevelands like to rev, just gotta do it right.
Nothing like the sound of a old school Ford big block had a 390 built in a SWB 65 pickup damn I miss that truck
I got one of , if not the baddest Cleveland in the state of Ga. 351 with 4 inch stroke crank, so 408 now. Solid roller Lunati .695lift. Trick Flow 225 Power port aluminum heads, Match ported Trick Flow intake . Cloned a Build from an old Hot Rod magazine. Its in a 68 F 100 pick up. And 3 seasons undefeated in the truck class. I 850 carb , no spray, 10.67 quarter mile. 7.50 eighth.
Holy shit thats terrifying
Sounds badass, easily enough for around 700hp with that combo by the sounds of it!
@@troyberg65 your close 675 flywheel. I'm a chevy guy , but i like to build big inch stroker morors, Fird Mopar, chevy. My daily driver is an 81 malibu wagon, 427 dart block small block. AFR 220 CNC heads, 4 inch stroke .crank , all forged bottom end. Howards 650 lift hyd. Roller. Super victor intake holley 850. Drive to track with 3.08 gear , run low 7s in eighth. 10.76 qtr. They call it the draggin wagon .
@@ronniecox109 Badass man; I'm going 393 over the winter! Working on my dads 63 f100 right now too; its got the big brother crooked valve engine in it though with a tunnel ram.
Nice to see a fellow Albertan showing off his pride and joy. Sounds awesome
Indeed It Does Sound Awesome!
One day I'll try to get a video of how it sounds roaring at over 7000rpm
Oh shit good eye! Next summers gonna be a whole lot of fun here in Calgary
Saw a green Mach 1 last night. Sounds so damn good!
Nice!!!!!!!!! FORD Lightning 🌩 is always 1st before Chevy's Thunder.
That’s pure musical enjoyment to my ears!!!!
This does put a smile on my face
Pure music to my ear's. thanks.
Canada! Nice! Respect from Ontario! Wicked Bud
That would be a 351 Windsor I presume?..
Man, and my favorite mustang generation too!!
Beautiful...just beautiful
A musical symphony!!
Oh my she sounds good 👍 nice job
Had a 72 Gran Torino Sport with this engine. What a beast.
Listen to that audience clap sweet sound mate
I miss 2012 Alberta... Oil money ....
I built a twin turbo 1973 mach 1 414 all aluminum cleveland titus racing block 73mm turbos for a fella in Edmonton. Last I heard it made 800+rwhp
Sounds amazing! Those blocks are badass, not too many around! I absolutely would have went turbo if the stock Cleveland block was stronger. Not too many around for a reasonable price. Look forward to seeing the track boss iron block out there soon.
my brother is doing a turbo LS right now.... but that's what everyone's doing.
Music to my ears
Now that's a beautiful car man.....
Absolutely beautiful best engines ever...
In the process of installing a footprint gas pedal 🤗
I've a 1970 F-100 Sport Custom truck, my high-school hotrod. I outran Cameros and Corvettes with that machine. It had a 351c 4bbl engine with a hot cam, and a very wrong work transmission.
After 4000 rpm, it was like driving a WWII fighter plane.
The startup is very familiar. Heh, I went through seven starters and three batteries in 5 years.
It's sitting at my mom's house waiting for restoration. I think the last time I ran it, it was something like 12:1. With the new pistons, I expect I'll be stuck with racing fuel.
When it idled, I was lucky at something north of 1100, even then, it struggled. What a great sound.
Mine was deep-throated, yours seems somewhat tinny. I'm not sure why the difference, aren't you working on an exhaust system? Mine was very simple.
Anyway, what a very pretty engine. When tuned to make power, it barely runs. It sounds great, it runs great, it behaves terribly. I want three (one in a DeTamaso Pantera, if you please).
At the time of this video I had the exhaust off changing it up from straight dual 3" with Hooker Maxflow mufflers to 3" mandrel with an X pipe and the same mufflers; It was idling a bit high in this video and my phones microphone didn't quite reproduce the sound completely accurately. Extra compression really does add throatiness to the tone though; at this time it still runs stock cast flat tops; but it sings at 7000 rpm and is completely aggressive with the 3800rpm converter. It launches as hard as my 2013 SHO with about 480hp, 500ft lbs of torque and AWD. And it's only about .02 slower in the quarter mile. On a stock bottom end.
In the works is a 393 for it at around 10.8:1....... Would also love one in a pantera
I was wrong. This was well worth it. Thanks!
I had a 1971 fastback mustang with a 351 cleveland back in 1980.Bought it with 57,000 original miles on it.It was brown.The nicest ride I have ever owned.Quick too.
Sounds like an awesome unit!
I had a 351 Cleveland in a Gran Torino. That thing had a ton of torque. It was just a bear.
It is not just the flat tappets, the sound of that engine shows that it has a racing camshaft installed.
Wicked music to the ears.
Takes me back a few 😀😀😀❤️😀 thanx
NICE I used to have a 351c in a old Mercury Cougar sounds mean 💪🇺🇲🚗👍
Oohh the metallic gallop of a clevo!!
That looks like one sweet survivor
I’m into dyesill. I’m can appreciate some canning around it. Sounds good on it
Sounds awesome looks like a 71' to 73'
Correct, 72
I had that same motor in my 72 coupe. Now it has a 331 cubic inch 5 liter.
Bet thats a cool little motor! the 8.2 deck block is nice and compact. scream when built right too! I'm working on a 393 cleveland currently for this one; video is on a bone stock rotating assembly.
I had 351 Cleveland in a '76 Ford 100...man...that thing was a HOSS.
Personally The FE ford engines sound great too I think a little better than the small blocks but that's just me. This is awesome sounding
Fe's are a very interesting engine. Only one I have in the family is my mom's 64 merc stepside with a 352 that's been freshened up. Not exactly a performance unit in that trim but it sure has its gusto! Ahh well I guess the third had a 390 in it too back.in the day. That thing would move that heavy car handily
@@troyberg65 yes the FE engines are some of the strongest engine you'll find in pulling power
I have dropped so many privates for leaving a creeper laying on the ground like that! I may have let this one go though just to listen to this all day long.
Appreciation for the leniency, I was in the midst of fitting the exhaust together; among other things.
My cousin has one of those in her garage....sounds similar. Sucks gas, hauls ass (tm). Maybe Bond drove it....could increase the value, eh? Sounds great!
I’m building a ‘27 Model T Roadster pickup street rod. I put a 351 Cleveland and a C4 automatic in it. Can’t wait to hear that engine.
Updates? Buddy has a 31 model A tubbed. Was an ambulance. Tunnel rammed AFR head (I ported it and the tram), HFT cam. Unreal acceleration its downright scary. You can blip the throttle in any parking lot and bounce the front end off tfhe ground. THose are so light!
YAAAASSS! She sounds PISSED!👍
Those were the best 351 , the Windsor were low compression under performance motors
Memories of my 1973 Mach 1
Love 351 Cleveland's
Sounds like it needs a tune up? Did you forget to put oil in it?
Awsome, 351c, best engine in world
Sorry the 351 Windsor is a much better engine.
@@darrellpalmer6461 I don't agree. The deck is to talk and wide. The clevo,s win races
Valve cover square corners? Looks like a Windsor?
Soooo Nice !
What a weapon! 🤘🤘👍👍
Badass ride
My 73 Mach 1 was awesome
Music 2 my ears!
No better sound than a 351C on song
Sounds bad ass
Just finished the 3 inch exhaust on my 68 with a moderately built Cleveland. I apologized to my neighbors in advance….
Mine sounds close :) love the way the ole clevland talks
Absolutely! beautiful cobra btw!
@@troyberg65 Ty sir the Cleveland pulls it along no sweat! And the Mach you have there is one heck of example of good ole American Iron! Is it a street driven or more track focused?
@@culbycars I drive it whenever I want to cruise; it would probably not be considered street friendly to most (3800 stall and a detroit locker with 4:10 gears) but I like it on the street. I do attend every Friday fun night that I can with it too! It's here for me to have fun with as I see fit and it does that very well!
@@troyberg65 thats the best kind of car to have!!! I used to have a 86 chevette i built had a 434sbc in it was back halved and my friends thought i was crazy for using it as my daily but it was a fun car and gave me many miles of smiles! Glad you enjoy your car Sir that indeed is what there for 👍
@@culbycars absolutely; different people have different tolerances for aggressiveness haha
thats what I want my Cougar to sound like.. right now she is all growl no bite
Sounds like a runner there aye
Sexier than socks on a rooster.
I drove a 73 mach 1 in high school
awesome!
I want to build my next engine as a flat tappet with some gnarly specs but MAN those are noisy 😂. I’m all for the hot rod sound for sure
The valvtrain noise is barley noticeable over the exhaust, and does get quieter as the engine warms up too. This cars valvetrain makes less noise then my taurus' injectors (direct injected)
@@troyberg65 I like the noticeable tapping noise in the exhaust as opposed to roller lifters, it’s very nostalgic. Even a factory spec cam with nice exhaust still has that sound before changing the lsa for some lope. Along with Weber carbs and a timing gear assembly, this thing will sound so nasty
Reliable with extended, hard thrashing like it was built fir?
@@grandcrappy more like built for wide open throttle and a lot of up and down the rpms like a Le Mans car or a classic trans am racer
@@grandcrappy Been tracking it and street driving it since install and the valve lash hasn't changed upon a couple yearly lash checks. I did have an oil pump fail on it ceased and sheared the distributor gear due to a pickup problem (long story but Figured it all out) changed it out and put a new pin in the gear and it ran 10 consistent quarter mile runs on a friday fun night a couple weeks ago.
Sounds exactly like my 355 sbc
I'm 70 and just some facts from a Mopar dude,worked on these 351 'sgood solid set up ,But my SUPER CUDA always enjoyed them for SUPPER ,the 383 and the 440 hemi's were to strong the HARDER YOU PUSHED THE HEMI's the better they ran !Chevy and Ford cams were not as advanced loob as mopars!!
My uncle has a 71 cuda with a 440 6 pack build with edelbrock heads. It's beastly but been I storage forever. He's putting the motor in an old sedan to have some fun with it temporarily. They really are strong. Don't get much chance to line up with old molars these days, but run ing the srt8 challengers is always interesting
Thats why Bob Glidden Won The Most Pro Stock Races In The History Of The Class! 351C, no Slopar or Chubby.
Sounds like my 85 Yamaha Vmax 1200. She only has 12,000 original miles and is a freaking ground pounding beast. She was also number 2131 off the production line in 1985!! I love her and she is dark red metallic and black and she will never leave my hands until I am dead and gone..
Damn sounds very nice what's the specs on your cam? Lift and duration?
it's a Lunati 30320512
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 276/285
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 243/252
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .597/.606
LSA/ICL: 110/104
Much appreciated!
@@troyberg65 I had been eyeing that cam for several months in my old lunati cat.
After seeing this video, I finally ordered it. I've got boss heads and a funnel Web intake. Going in a 67 falcon. Thanks for this video!
@@johnmartinii77 I think It'll work well with the funnelweb intake, I've been very happy with it pulls hard just past 7000rpm with no sign of giving up on 351cubes. Make sure the valve springs are up to the task and let er rip!
@@troyberg65 thanks!
YUP SAME AS THE ONE A HAVE ON THE BARN BAD ASS!
Awesome!!
What engine mods do you have besides that wicked cam to get it sounding like that??
well the cam requires the heads to have screw in studs so the valvetrain can be adjusted; It also had single groove stainless valves installed and dual springs to control them to 7200rpm. It has hooker longtube headers (open in the video) with 3" collectors. Up top is a torker intake and fast ezefi. Bottom end was a bone stock rotating assembly aside from the cam, good timing set and restrictors in the oil passages with factory flat tops running 9.8:1 static compression.
Got some fun in that troublemaker
Hey mate sorry just got a f truck with a 351 stock with extractors. What did u do to it to get it to this point ? And how much total$ thanks heaps
This engine came with 4v open chamber heads, I came across some 4v Closed chamber heads to up the compression for $400, had the pedastles milled for an adjustable valve train for another $300, got this solid flat tappet cam $250, Crower coolface lifters $125, I scored my comp roller tip rockers for $10 locally but they're typically $200. The rotating assembly is bone stock but I went through it and checked everything out and installed a oil restrictor kit. Intake is a Torker single plane and headers are Hooker longtubes. I scored the short block for $750 and got the intake for free from my dad. so total is around $2000 after other odds and ends like gaskets timing set etc. The efi system was a few bucks but it made just as much power with a tuned holley 750double pumper I rebuilt (already had that). A proper timing curve also makes a huge difference.
@@troyberg65 thanks heaps mate, how much horsepower she got
@@cuffevlogz352 Have not dyno'd this combo but probably a bit better then 350 at the wheels. Desktop dyno puts it near 450 flywheel; but those numbers are really just a ballpark. This is a bone stock bottom end; and I'm going to a built rotating assembly over the winter.
OH YEA ! That’s what I’m talking about !!!
Nice sound. I have two of these, one 73 351c2v and one 71 351c4v. This sounds make me want to rebuild 73 with flat top pistons and cam and 71 throw in a cam to make them rumble close to that
Cleveland's respond extremely well to a properly sized camshaft and free flowing exhaust
At least nobody got hurt !
Setup and exhaust if any?? That genuinely may be the best sounding Cleveland I have ever heard...
In video it's open header 3"longtube hookers. Now has 3" mandrel x piped with hooker maxflow mufflers at around 10:1 compression.
@@troyberg65 those heads, that cam, that package just sounds SOO SWEET!! 👌🇦🇺
Plug up those other two spark plug wires! lol
Bumpitty bump bump bumpitty bump bump look at frosty go..
Man that 351 Cleveland sounds bad to the bone brother.
Sugar overdose for the ears
Sounds viscous
Sweet.
Two words, Bob Glidden
Heard a few 302 Cleveland’s sound like this
What size carb do you have on it? Any dyno?
Was running a 750dp when it was carb'd but is now on ezefi 1.0 said to flow up to 1000cfm. no dyno, maybe after I actually build the motor. Ran 13.5 at 103 with a DA well over 4000. This is a stock bottom end revving to 7000, with a c6 behind it, 3500 stall, 4.11's and a locker.
It's Fuel Injected, follow the Fuel Lines up and you can see.
Looks like it's got mudders for rear tires!
And still didn't like to stick the launch if you did it wrong even with a locker and 325/50/15 drag radials (they are old tho to be fair... with a 4000 stall and 4:11's)