Financial Mistake: Owning an E60 M5
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This car must’ve been a dream to lease/ buy with full warranty back in the day ...
Owned mine for 4 years.. only changed spark plugs, 1 coil pack and 1 oil cooler..very reliable for me..put on 80k miles myself
You give me hope
@@TheTAEclub just make sure u beat on it when the oil temp is at the middle...not when u see 8250...and dont stay in s6..only use s6 for quick short races...s3 and s4 all day and you'll be good
@@vyibez thanks man! What about s5 you ever use it? Btw how many miles did it have when you got it?
I use s5 only when I press the m button and it goes straight to automatic for me and it killlllls!!!! That's how i set it up..dont have to worry about shifting....but s6 I rarely will use it..it makes your smg pump works harder and burn it out for everyday use
@@vyibez oh you can have auto in s5 didnt know that I though auto is just auto cant change s modes
I love seeing how passionate you are about maintaining it, many would have given up by now. This is my ultimate dream car and I can't wait to attain it one day
I’ve spent 30k in repairs on my 07 before totalling it. I was addicted
K06E preventative maintenance or it just kept breaking? Also was that an indy shop or diy?
Axel Davis 9800 in 1 repair. Vanos pump blew up and in the process I changed the rod bearings and some oil lines. Tranny replaced rotors replaced a couple modules replaced. Brake pads replaced like 6x lol religious oil changes every 5K kilometres, honestly after the major engine repair it was other things breaking. The car had been abused and not taken care of properly by previous owner so I had to pay the price. I did a lot of mods and replaced clutch twice. Too much shit to remember. I just purchased a 2008 with 60k miles and 3 years warranty after being 2 years without a beast. I’m giddy again and hopefully this one treats me well. Oh and besides eventuri air intakes which I bought for 2500 everything else was done at an Indy
@@K06E what was the mileage on your previous M5 when you bought it? As I heard that 2006 and 2007's are reliability nightmares. Is this true? Or is it an urban legend?
Ata Orkun Oğuz I’m the wrong person to ask as every summer I was putting thousands into it. Mine was an 07 bought at 78k kms salvage I fixed it up. Just after 8k kms is when the pump blew on the highway after some very hard driving. Honestly the engine was mint after I replaced the pump and bearings. It was other stuff that kept breaking and my inexperience with Indy shops. Got ripped off badly the first shop I took my car to they made me change tranny then told me it wasn’t the tranny at all 🤦♂️ I had bought the tranny for 2k of someone and I couldn’t just return it. It’s safe to say I bought a lemon as it was abused and neglected maintenance wise. I drove it really hard too but also did oil changes every 5K kms not miles. My engine was always strong. Anyways I ended up totalling it at 122k kms in Jan 2019. Now I got this 08 beast with 60k miles and 3 years warranty, don’t be scared just buy one that’s fairly low miles and 1-2 owner car. My old one was written off 2x prior to me buying it and I was the 4th owner. This new one I bought I’m the 3rd owner and I have all the service records. These cars are intoxicating to drive. Keep up with regular maintenance and your good. Buy 08 if you can.
As a fellow 6spd E60 M5 owner, it's cool to see that people are putting up with these to make them perfect drivers. 14k miles on mine in the last 11 months, and loving every minute daily driving mine!
How well has the car held up well since you commented?
Respect man, especially for daily driving it. My ‘09 is a weekend getaway machine only. My favorite thing about this car (except for driving it, of course) is how much it has taught me about the mechanics of cars. I never knew what a rod bearing was or how VVT worked until I started researching how to maintain my M5!
It is a reliable motor! The S85 rod bearing issues stem from poor maintenance and lack of appropriate warm up time. The rod bearing issue is accelerated by cold 10E60 oil. Until I see my oil temp close to 200 degree's I don't go over 3K RPM's and give it 15 mins before driving at all! Try to change oil at 3K miles and no more then 5K. It is important to drain the metal shaving via oil changes as much as you can afford. Oil changes cost a lot on this thing but will save you money in the long run! I am in an 06 E60 M5 with 52K miles. I am getting my oil anaylzed just to be safe although I am not too concerned with my rod bearings as the car fax confirmed the previous owners got regular maintenence :) cheers
Good Stuff man. Would have loved to hear it. respect for working on it yourself.
Good video!! These cars are made to drive!! Not to keep in the garage, I like that you daily your beast and have fun with it!! As you should 💪🏾
Great vid thanks for the detailed breakdown totally appreciate you taking the time for those in the market of owning the Great E60 M5.
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Nice Alex. Nice seeing you at BimmerFest. As you know, I've been loving my 6speed e60 m5 for the past 8 years.
I’ve owned mine for nearly 3 years now and it’s been fantastic , when I first bought it I had the throttle actuators changed with updated circuit boards ( Rebuild.... in the U.K. his name is Jason ) I highly recommend and he exports throughout the globe plus a fraction of the price that Bmw would charge.
The only breakdown I had was the oil cooler positioned under the front bumper which was leaking it was probably a stone chip , that’s all I’ve had go wrong it’s a very reliable car I love it , actually mine is the same as this one in the video .... my advice is don’t listen to these armchair scaremongers that post negative Chinese whispers that are totally bulls+*^ just make sure when you are looking to buy one don’t whatever you do purchase this car without extensive history from either Bmw or a Bmw specialist that’s a must , always warm the car to temperature before taking the revs over 3k this also warms the gearbox at the same time , I wouldn’t advise using as a daily driver I use mine weekends only .... it’s a fantastic car to own all I’ve changed on mine is the Evolve Carbon Fibre air intake kit which gives a nice throaty sound under exceleration and the car came with a switchable active exhaust which sounds fantastic... 😎🇬🇧👍
Everyone says this car is a money pit and I’ve always said “oh well it can’t be that bad if you do the work yourself” and this vid has helped to scare me straight😂
Great ass video!! Extremely great advice and amazing transparency! These cars are amazing and he definitely helped! 👍🏻
finally, a honest bmw run down. you rock dude!
Dude that's commitment! A love-hate relationship for sure. Thanks for sharing the truth...
MUST BUY ONE NOW!!! Loving the content man, keep it up.
Mr. J's Driving School thank you!
Good to know,. Have been wondering about that. Thank you man.
Hi ! I astonished how you can keep the car as the new look,.e60 is my dream car since i seen for almost 30 year of my age.bring it on :-o
Keep up the good work! More videos please! :)
Really cool video I’ve been thinking of getting one for a long time but have been put if by the gearbox, what was involved in the manual swap? I’m assuming the box is out of the e92 m3?
Great video! Of course what's not included is the amount you spend on aftermarket parts as well ;)
Appreciate it! DIY life forever!
Cool videos man.
I am thinking about same swap to manual. Was it hard to do?
I seen at FCP euro they have the kit for $1200 it has everything accept the tranny. But I found m3 transmission for around $2500. But how was the labour? Did you do it your self?
Do you have video of the install?
I just didn't look thru your all videos yet. Please let me know.
Thanks
I can't wait to get mine in a couple years!
Looks like you got it now
My next car for sure!
Did you ever video the manual swap? I have been wanting to do this and have not found very reliable sources for this.
I’m going to buy this.... YOLO
YOLO indeed!
I see you've made it
You know what, as much of a tongue in cheek phrase that is. I just thought if Im on my death bed do I ever want to think back and know that I never experienced this and Im not going to pass on it. 😅
I found a one-owner m5 with 15k miles.
I found a diff one that's cheaper. looking for an e60 m5.
I know that not only the rod bearings go out but the idle, throttle actuators go out and the clutch sensor goes out, leaky steering rack(sometimes).
Just curious if having a combined budget of 15k for unexpected issues and preventative maintenance is a good idea or it should be higher
Thanks for being honest. I’ve been looking at the M5. Rod bearings are common over 125,000 miles but for $12,000 you could buy another M5 and trash that one and so on.
You can't expect a good M5 for 12k if you ask me
Wish I could get a Manuel box of my M5 only did the DSG in the UK....
Loo i spent lotta money but its pretty reliable motor rofl love it.Im thinking about purchasing e60 m5 as well or isf lexus.
god i want one of these so much
More E60 M5 videos!
The E60 M5 needs a lot of attention in maintenance and repairs. You could have had a sweet brand new set of forged wheels, tow hook cover and wheel center caps on your stockies. Not financially wise to own one of these, and will keep most people struggling or worse yet broke. Thanks for being transparent. Great vid.
Beautiful car!
Hey Alex. Great review. Does your M5 burn any oil? And if so, how much and how often? Thanks.
Yes it does. It burned a quart every 700-800 miles (hard driven)
im thinking of buying this car as a daily since i built my mk4 and it absolutely sucks to daily. its gotten so bad i use my companies work truck to go places rather than drive it so i may buy one of these with a great warranty.
At what mileage did you replace the throttle and idle actuators
With the 6MT swap did you use the box out of E90 M3? Coming from U.K. so we didn’t get the manual option
Merckey Doodle yessir!
i also can say that the V10 in this car is a good engine if you take care of it. own a E60 m5 with 260k kilometres on it from "06, i work on it myself, in 5 years of ownership the car has costed 4,5k€ overhauled the majority of engine parts, vale actuators, vanos solenoids, vanos high pressure line, rod bearings, transmission fluid + sensor, revised vanos pump, revised oil pump, engine mounts, general maintenance fluids, brakes suspension, all suspension bushings, spark plugs, coils, wires. i have driven 15000 and only have changed engine oil 2 times + filter. if you maintain it it is a reliable car especially being a 5.0 race derived de-tuned M v10 race engine
So much for such a good price, I’m torn between buying this and daily’in my 335 or just buying a newer m3
I own 2 e60 M5"s been 5 years NO problems both 2008. Drive them hard
How many miles?? I thought these were super unreliable I want to get one but don’t want to drive it normal I wanna push it for time to time
Anthony Khayyam they’re reliable. Had my m6 6 months only issue was thermostat cost me $150 to replace
@Teo Corrales , do you still own a car after 4 years?
Sick ride man 👍
more like RIP ride ):
What transmission did you go with? I’m planning to swap my smg out for a 6 speed as well
Isaac Dominguez one from an e92 M3!
you're a real cool guy
Who did the manual swap?
It's such a great looking car. Aging really well. I currently own an E60 530i M Sport 6-speed manual N52 engine. Still considering selling both my E60 and Porsche 911 and buy an E60 M5
How long did the 6spd trans swap took you?
Man you should do a in dept video on how you did the manual transmission swap on the m5 i'm very intrigue how you or the shop did it.
Also i saw an article about a guy in Europe that did the manual swap on SMG here's a link to the article. drive-my.com/en/blogs/entry/bmw-m5-smg-e60-against-an-example-e60-m5-that-s-been-converted-to-a-six-speed-manual.html
i guess this article kinda answer my own question but i would like to know your own personal experience on doing the swap that's all.
Thanks
Alex did a thorough DIY write-up somewhere, but im sure if you DM him on IG he would be more than happy to answer any of your guy's questions! :) Side note: it took him roughly about 6 months to finish.
Teo Corrales did you need that expensive 10k cable?
Great to see someone with such a passion for this car
Why have you bought a silver one and drive it stock in addition to that? Do you really like the color and don't you feel it looks grandpa-ish?
Or did you just buy it because it was cheap?
Most likely cheap. Here where I live a silver 06 with 45k kilometres sold for 24k. Canadian
Got a video about the manual swap?
unfortunately we do not! But we will be making one on the E46 M3 SMG to 6speed manual swap!
I think if you can remove the rod bearing danger from the reputation , you have a high-end sedan with maintenance similar to other cars in it's class. The way you avoid rod bearing damage is by using no thicker than w40 oil. 5w30 is ideal. Just stay away from the 10w60 that bmw originally prescribed to this car, that was the cause.
Good to know, thanks.
BMW prescribed 10W60 for a reason. I needs an oil that doesnt loose it's properties at higher temperatures, in which this unit operates. A modern high-end 5W50 might be an alternative, regular 5W30 not.
@@daliborpuchta1952 How do you feel about being proven wrong?
Nick Kautz 10w60 is not the cause of the rod bearing issue. Sure it adds to it because of people not following the start up and warm up procedure for these cars but the most popular rod bearing wear theory out there now is the use of variable torque rod bolts and negligence within the factory installation specs for said torque values.
@@grayantihero6059 I'm not shooting in the dark here , I race , I build motors, I've analyzed many failures. Bearing clearances that are needed for a w60 oil to form a proper cushion are typically 0.003" or more. The S85 has clearances of 0.0015" +/- 3. So that's 1/2 of the ideal clearance necessary. Some oil will still get in but certainly not enough for anything besides gentle use of the engine. And to further solidify my point , in 2013 BMW (quietly so as not to wake any lawyers) released a service bulletin adding 5w30 as a "possible alternative" to 10w60. Lol. Really? 1/2 the viscosity as an alternative? Clearly they knew 10w60 was a mistake.
Did you diy the manual swap on the board?
Simon Nim yessir! DM @s85socal on IG for the link!
What transmission did you use on the s85? Original 6 speed or ...?
Jr Zendejas-Ruiz transmission off of a e92 M3
So we should expect to spend in repairs what I would pay for it....if I do the work myself? Ouch
Where is your unerhood mat?
ISSUES ON E60 M5 IS OVER HYPED. I HAD 2 OVER 200K ON STOCK ROD BEARINGS.
Hey how much you spend on the 5 speed job
The 6speed swap cost Alex about $3300 (self-labor). This was also before he sold some SMG stuff.
You have lowerings springs and spacers?
Only lowering springs
@@T30o Cool, keep it going.
No sir...I couldn't even sometimes drive manual, let alone daily it
Good review but still considering
Spend alot money and no buy stupid cap for the whells
I want one so bad.
I just hate how unreliable these are. Such an amazing engine under the hood.
I would only buy this car if i could find a super comprehensive warranty that covers all the common faults on the car.
You spent 12k on repairs. How much is the car worth with that mileage? Maybe 15k? Insane!!
Was this car on original Rod Bearings 140k?
no it was changed
Clean e60 bro🤘🤘🤘🤙🤙🤙🔥🔥🔥
Never seen someone get there arse cained so bad on parts for a car.
Think you need to get trade discount my M5 for all the parts you mentioned here in the U.K. cost me 2K for everything and I did a lot more then you believe me.
Where you got that amount from is insane you guys pay through your arse for these cars over there.
Best thing to know NEVER OWN A BMW OUTSIDE OF EUROPE it’s a fact !!
Always said if I lived in USA I would never drive a BMW a ford will suit me better.
Unless they allow my trade account 60% of main dealer parts for me like I get here with same day delievery from the main dealers and all part stores.
None of that china junk here mate we have a thing called quality control so this rod bearing wack is all nonsense one guy had his go and send the world into a frenzy, look after your car properly with proper main dealer parts and have no issues simple as that.
I own 3 BMWS E46 and 2 E60s let me say I can safely say as all my subs know I haven’t NOT seen a single check engine light YET in the USA that’s like the normal over there.
It’s called lack of maintenance and neglect
Well people don’t have the advantage like you do….
So it’s not that bad as they say??
Brother really said I spent about 12,000 after having said 6500 and 8000 at separate points
Yo are you selling it?
If people want to experience the V10 sound, just download an MP3 file and get some headphones and close your idea. It's a more pleasant experience than actually owning it :)
If you search the channel, there's actually an old video of me doing tunnel runs in this car lol
Sorry, but i have to ask... wHatT ArEEe THooSEe????
Nice ride, just not worth the $ for upkeep. Enjoy!
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You know of any shops in CA that would do a manual swap?
Im sure there are some independent shops that would be willing to do it, but for a crazy fee. It's not a common swap, and it's really only been done by a handful of people. DM Alex on the IG to see what his process was and he could probably point you towards the right direction! Best of luck!
Teo Corrales thanks man. What’s his IG handle? Don’t know of him :(.
Eric Paz check the description
Problem with this car is usually they get into careless hands..... Know 2 people owning them cant say anything bad or extremely expensive. I mean if you can afford m5 you shall know what brake discs and pads are going to cost you..... And being m5 that car gets some shit from the owner otherwise whats the point owning it?
At what milage did you do the rod bearings
Zac Mezel should do at 80k miles but I did at 115 and it was only cupper
Рома Рома did the copper do any damage to anything or did you just change them out and it was good to go? Thanks for the reply
Zac Mezel no damage. Just changed and good to go
before 100k miles, do oil analysis even at 60-80k miles.
Areku06 I just did mine at 93k with be bearings. Everything is cherry so far only put 200 miles on em so far
Sheeeeeiiiiiiitttt. I ran an 07 550i 6 spd for 12 years and 189,000 miles. Total cost of ALL repairs and maintenance...right at $33k.
My goodness for a non m car
why the fuck would you switch the smg for a manual. this car was made for the smg.
They are financial mistake for those who scrape money together to buy one. Then can't afford to maintain them. That's what happens with expensive old cars
Even if you can work on it you’re self. It’s just to much man. I fucking love these! But would never want to own one.
Fix up the wheels man
Hell to the no, to the no no.
It is actually not that bad, not many things broke, if only BMW parts weren't so expensive...
BMW happy when you buy it happier when you sell it .
Driving to school in a e60 M5
Me: I have no life, good bye ppl
You got balls like melons!, I went to buy an 07 , low mileage , 1 owner, then I went on the web and shit myself, bottled it and bought a 2010 M3..... big shit sandwich I suppose, rod bearing issues !, win some lose some!.
BMWs are reliable if maintained, my e60 550i has 155k miles still runs like new.
Areku06 I couldn’t agree more. They get a bad rep from people who treat them like shit, thrash them every where and never maintain them right. I own an E46 M3 competition and haven’t had to do anything to it. I do oil changes every thousand miles...which is over kill but it’s my baby lol
155k is nothing
Not really I have 540i e60 and this car was a nightmare for me....
There are times of people who maintained these exactly as they were supposed to be and they still lost a fortune on them. Terrible engineering.
@@claycrawford9009 your E46 is a much more reliable car than the ones that followed. The V8 M3 and V10 M5 were very poorly designed cars.
Cool car but this is another reminder that this is a money pit vehicle
david el deek money pit vehicles are the ones we can’t get enough of 😉
@@T30o what color is the car
Tony Harris silver stone metallic gray
Reliable? You must be out to lunch or high on life. 9500$ on the motor is light years away from reliable. Honda would be zero. Lmao. However fun I’m sure it is. But that’s a huge chunk of money to put into a car. Scares me from buying ine
It's all relative, I'm down 35k in repairs and still dont regret it.
thats fucking insane.. I love v10's but my god...
and how much time all up has your card spent at the mechanics?
All I can hear is the shame in his voice, and see the pain in his eyes
The m5 e60 was designed to be driven hard. So if you just bought it now used. Obviously the first owner would have driven it hard. So expect a costly maintenance but hey you paid a mere 15 percent of the original cost. So stop complaining. Pimping aint easy 😁
You put 100 miles a day on an M5? Jesus you must spend some money on fuel lol
George Austers 🤪🤪🤪
Throwing away thousands of dollars just to say I own a bmw just doesn’t make sense to me. I always loved how the car looks but these are definitely money pits
It's not because he wants bragging rights it's because he enjoys the car and it may be his dream car. Don't bash someone about how they spend his money. We all have something that makes us so happy that we will do whatever it takes to keep that. Take your negatively else were.
Thanks for the laugh ...your choice to spend your $$ on maintaining this endless money pit...so many choices out there for a reliable and fun to drive car...I am out of here...