What are the Nephilim? Who were the sons of God and daughters of men? - Podcast Episode 120
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- Were the sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 fallen angels? How could it be possible for fallen angels to mate with human women and produce offspring? Were the Nephilim genetic hybrids of fallen angels and humans? Why are the Nephilim referred to as heroes of old?
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I believe that they were fallen angels. To me it makes a lot of sense and everything seems to fall into place with that interpretation. This is a fascinating subject! Someday we will all know the answers to our questions. Just trust the Lord 🙏
The Nephilim were the violent hybrid sons who were the children of materialized angel and the daughters of men before the Flood. (Genesis 6:4) The Bible has all the answers! 😉
@@sunnyjohnson992 AMEN!! 😃
They’re mentioned in job tho
The Gentiles have plenty of their gods having sex with their women and producing hybrids with abilities beyond normal man, it is considered Mythology today but was their historic and religious accounts of times past.
God made all species to multiply after its own kind.. Exept for humans and angels, they can interbreed.. right?
What's very different in mythology is that humans ended up worshipping the gods("nephilim") instead of worshiping the one true God, the creator of all beings, the Lord!
Amen
BAAL - was a title and honorific meaning 'owner' or 'lord'
Read Psalms 82
@@samnuckolls4166 ~ Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82. The "gods" are human NOT non-human meaning angels/spirit beings. Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandments, Prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," because God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. Asaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets. Let's look at Strongs Concordance for more reference that Israel are the "gods" of Psalm 82. The name Israel ends with an "El/el" which means of God/god. The word Elohim/Elohim starts with an "el" and Israel ends with an "el". Original Word: אֵל Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Definition: God (El/Elohim, in pl. gods (el) Israel also literally means, “One who struggles with God.” Definition "God strives," another name of Jacob and his descendants Hebrew: Strongs 3478. Yisrael The word “Israel” in Hebrew is spelled ישראל and pronounced “Yisra’el”. It is a combination of two Hebrew words: “Yashar” which means “straight” or “upright”, and “el” which means “God”. Together, “Israel” means “one who struggles with God” or “God contends”. In the Hebrew Bible, Israel was the name given to Jacob after he wrestled with an angel of God (Genesis 32:28). Later, it became the name of the Israelite people and the modern State of Israel. ~ Exodus 4:22 You are to say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: “Israel is my firstborn 'SON'." Jacob is Israel and there would be 12 sons born to Jacob, which make up the 12 tribes of Israel. When a person reads Psalm 82:6 when it mentions "sons" it is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel in the physical world.
Great discussion and responses. I lean toward the interpretation of this passage (and subsequent passages) that the "sons of God" were some type of angel who fell (metaphorically and spiritually) for the "daughters of men." This is largely based upon the Hebrew terms for each and the root of the Hebrew for "nephilim" (i.e., "fallen ones" or "cast down ones"). However, subsequent passages in the New Testament (such as in Jude and 2 Peter) seemingly reference this fall and its tie to the flood. In 2 Peter (and elsewhere) it seemingly links the cause of the flood with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (i.e., unnatural affection).
Consider Jesus' words about the "days of Noah" preceding the coming of the Son of Man. As this video mentions, Hollywood productions often show a world that is violent and vile to the point that it necessitated destruction and recreation. Yet, I (personally) think that the emphasis was on the loss of the natural way of God's design. Even today, things like homosexuality (unnatural affection), abortion (mothers literally consenting for the murder of their children), etc. are potentially akin to the days of Noah and the unnatural order of "sons of God" falling for the "daughters of men."
There are some questions about the confusing passages in I Corinthians 11 about a "head covering" that is needed "because of the angels." I'd argue that this might very well have been the marriage veil -- referring to married "women" rather than "virgins" (a few chapters earlier) or "widows." I believe that the "covering" here (apart from hair) is referring to the ancient practice of a veil (or Badeken as a tradition dating at least to the captivity and diaspora) in which the virgin is covered by her husband to show that she is effectively "off the market" (so to speak). This is a sign as to the marital or "belonging" status of the woman -- just as a wedding ring might be today. Why this would be important to angels is unknown -- but it may be a reference to what happened before the flood.
Don't forget: The fallen angels fell without the enticement of a sinful nature. Adam and Eve fell due to deception. We fall because of the nature that we're born with. Those angels fell because of something else. Some would argue that this is because of the potential of pride and the desire to love and be loved/wanted (even in a marital sense) akin to the sin of pride. If so, it is an unnatural affection and a reason why God must wipe out a world full of it (in the Flood) or a set of towns given to it (as in the case of Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding towns where Lot and his family lived). In the former, it was unnatural as angels desired the daughters of men. In the latter, it was men desiring angels.
Still, you raise a great point that this is not something that we should lose sleep over. Our faith is not contingent in what made angels fall. Rather, it's in believing in (present tense) our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Perhaps the theory of it being fallen angels sleeping with human women would explain the myth of incubus. Very interesting conversation. I don't know which idea I lean towards. All I know is that God is good, and I'm thankful for his love and protection. ❤️ The Bible is so fascinating.
I came to the conclusion that they're incubus ( Inak or inki- )
Thank you for your objective research. I think this is interesting mainly for the reason that it's important how we interpret scripture. I'm so glad you touched on many of the common thearies but also some of the "way out there" stuff. A small group of women in our church have recently started a bible study that seeks to re-read, so to speak, the word of God from a fresh and unadulterated perspective. We have been seeking why the Church seems to be living such a powerless and often unfulfilled life. Certainly not the life promised by Christ for believers. Obviously a very hugh subject...but one of the things we see is that the word of God is often misread or mistranslated or simply twisted to say what fits our needs instead of truly seeking God and His Face or thoughts on His creation and purposes thereof. And we feel the American Church, has been leaning so much on it's knowledge that we've forgotten who the Holy Spirit is, without which we cannot understand scripture. John 1. Anyway, sorry for the ramble but as I go back to the beginning of the Bible for some of our questions, I ran across the Nephilim question then stumbled on your podcast. I enjoyed it and may visit your site again. Thank you and may God bless your efforts to answer the tough questions of this Christian life!
Good discussion and redirection. Focus on doing God's will.
"Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives’ tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly." 1 Timothy 4:7
"ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." 2 Tim. 3: 16- 17.
Not taken in context, the entire Bible seems to be full of contradictions.
I found myself getting distracted over this, reading your comment helped me realize that, thank you, imma now focus on what God want me to do.
Angles doesn't have body to mate and Angeles doesn't have gender they are just angles read Bible properly don't think just read Bible
That's why god says my people dies because they doesn't have knowledge of god
here proof of Bible mattew 22: 24 to 31 people ask Jesus (if women married men and he dies after she marriage another and he also dies and the......5 husband married and dies
Who is her husband in the time resurrection he ask?
Jesus answer:- You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage
"they will be like the angels in heaven"
He say that means in heaven no marriage no sex nothing we will be like "angles" that means Anglica being and worship God that's it
(Angle is a spiritual realm life like god they doesn't have body like us)
Like this I can give more examples but my brothers I hope you all understand
Our god is not god chaos but order and peace ☮️
Don't think 🤔 this may happened or that may happened just read Bible that's enough.
@@manojrandy Angels are always referred to as males.
It wouldn't be in God's word if He didn't want it there. My question might be, why did He want us to know about the Nephilim?
Exactly. There are not many records in Genesis and the book covers millennia. That tells me the info in the book is some of the most important over that timeframe.
It is possible that they may return during the end times.
@@lyftedmedia as in the days of Noah, we're beginning to see it. The beast of the field aren't just animals like bears either imo
13 tribe
Nephilim were the violent hybrid offspring resulting from materialized angels having intercourse with the daughters of men. Their name literal means “fellers,” because they causes others to fall through violent acts.
It’s in the Bible to show us that God hates violence and anyone that loves it. (Psalm 11:5) God had to destroy that ancient world because of the violence and He will do so again.
Thank You Jesus for Paying for All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Shedding Every Last Drop of Your Perfect Redeeming Innocent Blood For The Forgiveness Full Remission of All my Sins Thank You Jesus for Dying in my place on The Cross ✝️ To Pay for All my Sins as The Perfect Sacrifice because You have No Sin Thank You for Being Buried Thank You Jesus for Coming Back ALIVE 3 Days After Your Death because You Are The Son of God and God At The Same Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE You Heavenly Father ABBA I LOVE You Jesus I LOVE You Holy Spirit Not 3 Different Gods but The 1 The Only True Living GOD Most High Revealed to us in 3 Ways ❤❤❤LOVE ❤❤❤❤
Also, a Centaursare is mentioned in the Bible and has been found in archeology findings.
My own personal opinion is if you have trouble with or can't get around who the
' sons of God ' were or whether or not angels can father children with earth women then you may as well give it up and quit.
There is so much to this subject going on throughout at least the first half of the old testament that you're never going to get anywhere if you can't get over the first step.
When I first started paying attention to Genesis 6 in the Bible when I had hardly read any of the Bible 50 years ago I instantly recognized the sons of God as angels and the daughters of men as human women. I was reading a King James Bible which said the children of such ( I indeed believed they managed to produce children ) were giants and I believed that meant really large people.
I'm glad my Bible said giants because if it said ' Nephilim ' I wouldn't have known what that was.
It also said they were the. ' heros of old and men of reknown ' which I instantly took as the origin of all the Greek God legends.
The world is chock full ( or at least was ) of evidence of huge people having lived all over the globe in the distant past, the Bible gives a serious explanation as to where they came from.
When I first herd of this in bible school as a child I imideitly thought of Greek Mythology and of Hercules and other "Mighty Men." in there stories.
I agree! The stories of Greek Mythology actually come from and originate from the hybrid children of fallen angels and human women.
Yes, there are NEPHILEM! Do you think they’re gonna run around and tell you?
there are a couple of them in high places that act like they are possessed. Need I say more.
it is a fascinating subject. It is in there for a reason. we should not ignore it.
The plain reading of Genesis 6 supports the fallen angels narrative ! How can anyone read sons of God as Seth descendants and the daughters of men as descendants of Cain !?!?! Seriously, now that is reading tons into the passage.
I kind of think it IS important to understand this passage as fallen angels (Watchers) and not just a side issue. We are in spiritual warfare, folks.
What gets me is how Christians accept the virgin birth of Jesus and His Resurrection, but when supernatural angels come on the scene, they freak out.
My Sunday school teacher taught the Seth/Cain interpretation. I went up to him after class to bring up all the points you said in defense of Scripture. He thought I was crazy! And I’m in a conservative, Reformed church.
Good job “Got Questions?” I feel better about supporting your ministry since you take this correct understanding.
Hi LT, I can see this issue is important to you. I am also a conservative and I don't think you're crazy. I do not know much about the Apocrypha books, but I guess there are passages in the New Testament that are part of Enoch's book. However, every time I look up scripture on this topic, I am not seeing the evidence for angel/human unions. I am so far of the view that 'sons of God' are people that are/were led by the Holy Spirit. That makes the most sense to me because 'wickedness of man was great', men's thoughts were evil continually, and God was sorry He made man, it grieved His heart. The only preflood mention of angels is the interpretation of 'sons of God'. If 'sons of God' are not angels then it makes more sense to me why God is blaming man. Here are some of the posts that I have copied:
Is it possible that Godly men 'fell away' from God because of the lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh for beautiful pagan women? Would Satan ever use this tactic again? This explains Gen 6:
~Deuteronomy 7;3-4; “Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you."
Who are the sons of God?
~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
Moses wrote Genesis and Deuteronomy, who does Moses say are sons of God?
~Deuteronomy 14:1-2; “You are the sons of the LORD your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave your forehead for the sake of the dead. For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."
Are any angels EVER called sons of God? No!
~Hebrews 1:3-5; "When He (Jesus) had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much better than THE ANGELS, He has inherited A MORE EXCELLENT NAME THAN THEY.
(what name has Jesus inherited that is more excellent than the angels?) For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“YOU ARE MY SON," (meaning the angels are NOT called 'sons of God').
May I explain the sons of God in Job, this is often used to promote angel/human hybrids?
~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and consecrate them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
Job and his sons (sons of God) are consecrated, presenting burnt offerings (sacrifices) and themselves before God, for forgiveness of sin. Satan was among them on earth. That is just like Satan hanging around the faithful trying to trip them up and accuse them. God questions Satan about Job and he admits he just came from earth and he knows everything about Job's hedge of protection, his blessings, so yes, he was with them on earth.
This is NOT angels presenting themselves to God in heaven.
This next passage is the most difficult because of the symbolism here.
~ Job 38:6-7; Or who laid its cornerstone,
'WHEN' the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
What is the 'cornerstone' or who is the cornerstone? Jesus
When was the 'cornerstone' laid? At Calvary and Pentecost when the church began.
~ Isaiah 28:16; "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone,
A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed."
~ Zachariah 10:3-4; "For the LORD of hosts has visited His flock,
the house of Judah, and will make them like His majestic horse in battle.
“From them 'WILL COME' the cornerstone,"
Who are the morning stars? Angels
~ Revelation 1:20; “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven STARS ARE THE ANGELS of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
Who are the sons of God? Christians
The Great Naphaliym was a hybrid between a woman and Elohiym, the "Nephilim" was probably natural offspring of 2 Nephilim, The Men of Renowned is normally translated as Giants but the word is actually "Elioud", Witch witch is not a direct translation of the word Giants. This makes me think the same Elohim that took a Human wife, probably also took a second Nephiliym wife, after the Death of his first human wife. I believe this was one of the biggest Crimes of the Devils was the invention of inbreeding.
The word translated 'giants' is 'nephiyl', from 'naphal' meaning to fall. So, literally it refers to fallen ones, which if we think of mankind, is everyone descended from Adam and Eve who fell into sin. By calling certain men fallen ones it would suggest that they were manifesting their fallen character more than others, and were demonstrating a pronounced level of ungodliness. This is shown in the following verses where God saw that the wickedness of man was great, that the earth was corrupt and filled with violence, and all flesh had corrupted his way (v11,12). These men were not only fallen in nature, but had fallen into wickedness, and most probably caused others to fall away from God. For this reason God brought upon them the flood.
This passage can easily be understood to refer to mankind and his decline into sin and unbelief, without any need to believe in the idea of fallen angels.
Great analysis,
~ Psalm 53:2-3; God looks down from heaven
on the children of man
to see if there are any who understand,
who seek after God.
They have all 'FALLEN AWAY';
together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.
@@larrymoore2571 Yes, that's a good passage to illustrate it. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is another one we could use, '...for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition'.
This was very interesting. Thanks!
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
When theory and speculation become a doctrine that people teach as truth it will always create confusion and division in the Body of Christ and that is exactly what Paul and Peter warned would happen if we hold on to Jewish myths and fables. We can sugar coat it all we want but bottom line is someone is wrong, and someone is teaching a lie. Genisis 6 is not an interpretation issue it is a distraction from what God has taught from the beginning and it can be easily summed up by 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”17Therefore“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18“I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”
God warned His people not to marry anyone who did not believe in Him because the result always ended up with the man turning his heart from the Lord. This is exactly what happened in Genesis 6. The context of chapters 4 and 5 show this to be true. Here we have two groups of people, Cains line who had been banished from the presence of the Lord and Seth's line who called on the Lord. If we study both of these lineages, you will find that there were two men named Enoch and two men named Lamech. How can two groups of people that are separated by God somehow end up naming their sons with the same names. How could that be possible unless they began to marry one another and that's exactly what happened. I find it strange that out of the 27 people named in the Bible before Genesis 6 three of them were women from the line of Cain. Lamech's two wives Adah and Zillah, and Naamah the daughter of Zillah. The interesting thing about these women were in fact their names. The name Adah in Hebrew means beautiful, adorned, ornament. This name was also associated with women who wore jewelry and painted their eyes to look more attractive. Adah also referred to the apostasy of Israel and to those who would not obey God. 2 Kings 9:39, Jeremiah 4:30, Ezekeil 23:40. In 2 Samuel 1:24 King Saul had the daughters of Israel adorn themselves with ornaments of gold (Adah). Esau like Lamech took two wives, one was named Adah. Naamah's name means beautiful, fair, or pleasant to look at. The sons of God saw the daughters of men and they were beautiful to look at. Could it be possible that the daughters of men in Genesis 6:2 are referring to unbelieving women from the line of Cain? If not, then who were the Daughters of the Land in Gen 27:46, or the Daughters of the Uncircumcised in 2 Samuel 1:20, or the Daughters of a Strange god, Ezra 10:2, Malachi 2:11? Did these titles just mean they were human women, or did it mean they were unbelieving women who would destroy a believing man's relationship with God. I don't believe the Lord would destroy the world and blame it entirely on men when it was supposedly something the fallen angels did. There is no mention of God ever rebuking the angels for having relationships or marriages with humans. When Jesus said we would become like the angels in Heaven would something as fantastic as fallen angels having sex with humans before the flood slip the Lord's mind? I don't think so. God destroyed the world because of the wickedness and violence that began with Cain, and it was passed down through his daughters to the sons of God and over a period of time the entire world became corrupt. Only Noah and his family found grace. The Bible only supports this view, everything else is pure speculation. Here are just a few verses that prove how God felt about His people marrying pagans. Genesis 24:40, Exodus 34:16, Deuteronomy 7:3-6, Joshua 23:12-13, 1 Kings 11:1-9, Ezra 9:2, Nehemiah 10:30, 13:25-27, Malachi 2:11. In the book of Ezra, the men of Israel were literally terrified that the Lord was about to completely destroy them. Why? Because they married pagan women. I cannot find one scripture that says angels married humans. Jude 6 says nothing about angels committing fornication. It says they were cast down for leaving their first estate. These angels chose to leave with Satan, so they all were cast down to earth to wait for their judgement. Ephesians 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Great explanations brothers!
We may not understand how Jesus defied death & rose again, but we do believe every word of it because that's clearly what the Bible states. It also makes clear in Genesis 3 and 6 that the "Sons of God" "mated" w/human women and their offspring were giants. We may not understand how that's possible. Second, I don't feel we ever have to "walk back" what the Bible states when someone is offended by what the Bible states. It is only our place to believe the literal statements presented in God's Word. If someone is offended, we are still honor bound to uphold exactly what the Bible states.
I have a theory that the nephilims weren't limited to just giants. Who's to say that those nephilims couldn't have taken up other forms such as skin walkers or big foots that have been sighted throughout the world?
glad such a big org has this correct stance
Go back to the original text and you will see the word for "son's of God" in that verse. Every other instance where that word is used references an actual angelic entity
Sorry man, the word used for "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 and 6:4 is actually two Hebrew words: _ben_ and _elohim_ and those are the same two Hebrew words used to describe the "sons of God" in Job 1:6 and 38:7. The only way we can tell the difference between human sons of God and angelic sons of God is by studying the context.
@@Joel-Serra Correct, In the Old Testament (Tanakh) בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ occurs in Gen. 6:2,4; Job 2:1. However, it is disputed who they are in Gen. 6, and they are angelic beings in Job 2:1. In Job 38:7 בְּנֵ֥י אֱלֹהִֽים occurs without the article; I believe are also angelic beings
Thanks and God bless you!
A speculative view?
1) How many times is the word Man, Men, or MANKIND mentioned in Genesis 6? How may times is the word angels, fallen angels, or demons used?
2) Cain's lineage starts with himself. Seth's lineage starts with God. Why is that?
3) Giants in Old English meant tyrants or bullies not large or tall people.
4) We see the offspring of renown and the occupying tribes of the promise land come from one marriage. When Ham, a son of God, took for himself a wife from the daughters of men.
5) Job, Peter, and Jude have nothing to do with the Genesis account. Jude mentions three situations then later described the sin of each in reverse order.
6) Jesus Christ never called Himself the son of God. Instead He called Himself The Son Of Man. Why was that more offensive to the Jewish leaders?
7) Taking scripture out of context leads to misinterpretation ALWAYS.
Hello… would someone help me out? How can spiritual beings have offspring with natural beings? Being that consummation is a physical act? Honest question here
Apparently angels have the power to create sexual organs and sperm for themselves and then go against gods law of every species multiplying after its own kind, and against Jesus words that angels don’t marry or are given in marriage
I don’t see them as fallen angels but it is an obscure reference. In any case, it doesn’t need to change the essential doctrines of Christianity.
they aren't fallen Angels they were believing men mating with unbelieving women.. these people are making mythology their religion... totally against Christianity
I always wondered why God created man not to sin even when man was tempted by Satan
But the angels sinned without being tempted by anyone
My question is: Can angelic beings procreate on their own? Do they have reproductive organs just because they can take on human form? Does human form have to include reproductive organs? In the context of the whole passage concerning child bearing in Mark chapter 12, is Jesus referring to procreation; "Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven" Mark 24-25. He seems to imply angels don't marry because they don't procreate, they dont have sex, so there is no reason to marry? Not sure. Isn't it a good possibility that the fallen angels bore children by the daughters of men through demonic possession and not on their own?
1st Corinthians
11:9 and 10...."because of the angels...."
Be careful of assumptions based on four words in a chapter. Read before and after to obtain a clear meaning.
1 Corinthians is about humbly submitting to God's proper authority structure of the church.
~ 1 Cor 11:3; ... "Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ."
~ 1 Cor 11:4; "Every man who has something on his head 'WHILE PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' disgraces his head."
~ 1 Cor 11:5; ..."every woman who has her head uncovered 'WHILE PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' disgraces her head,"
~ 1 Cor 11:13; Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to 'PRAY TO GOD' with her head uncovered?
Are we to believe that angels cannot control their sexual urges if they see a woman's hair, but only if they are in church 'PRAYING OR PROPHESYING, but all other times ho-hum?
No, Paul is reminding the women that their rebellion is seen by God and angels, and they should comply with the authority structure of the early church.
I want to know more about Nimrod
This is so good
7:54 Even though I was aware that angels appeared to people on the earth, in the likeness of man, it did not enter my thought the fallen angels did that and mated with the daughters of man
If "fallen angels" had the ability to mate with women and produce a race of giant "nephilim" creatures back during the days of Genesis, then I'm sure they would still have this same ability today, correct? So if that's the case, and 'fallen angels' can take on the appearance of humans and procreate with women any time they want to, then why don't we see any more of these giant hybrid creatures walking the earth today?
@@Joel-Serra Answer, there are different types of Angels;
all the Angels that had that ability are in chains awaiting the final judgment.
@@colonalklink14
I agree
It was a small faction that were allowed to take flesh bodies after they challenged the heavenly father, broke their promise not to mix or mate with mankind and are now chained below 👇 us .
Of course let the holy spirt edify me if I am incorrect. So far after MUCH prayer and years of study on this very subject, this is what I feel is true .
🌸👱🏼♀️🌸
@@Joel-Serra the angels that led that rebellion are chained up under the euphrates
Look up torn horn and Steve quale. And Tim Albariño.
I've always believe the Nephilim were the fallen angels, but now that I'm reading the verse more carefully--and bear with me here--could it also mean that at the same time the Sons of God were cohabitating with women, the Nephilim were also here (a race of fierce, sinful, warlike people), and that perhaps they mated with the offspring of the women and Sons of God? Just a thought based on the text. It’s also possible one or more of the wives of Noah’s sons had Nephilim DNA.
Some Scholars believe and physicists ,that humans who get that big as described in genesis would be very limited in their capabilities to perform basic tasks unless they were in-dwelt with some type of super natural ability that would allow them to defy or manipulate physical laws.
Amen guys 🙏 totally agree
Very good topic! Horrible books are there about this (giant-human hybrids) and many popular authors deceive their readers/youtube followers. Just heard one yesterday and boy was the interviewer thrilled to hear all this nonsense.
Ken Johnson is amazing if you want to learn more on this. I agree ultimately our focus should be on Jesus! 🙏🥰
When you've gotten "the sons of GOD" wrong for so long, what else have you gotten wrong? If we get any parts of Genesis wrong, how can we be trusted to NOT-NOT-NOT get anything else wrong? Getting "the sons of GOD" correct is very important!
BTW, Luke refers to Adam as "the son of GOD"; does that make Adam a brother to ['fallen angel] the OT "the sons of GOD"?
The guy on the right is correct.
It is a conspiracy to believe it WAS NOT fallen angels.
Churches are afraid to touch on these topics
Simplistic thought= days of Noah(eating, drinking & being merry.). Changing D N A to change creation & be your own God is more sinister and is an attempt to glorify self rather than GOD.
There are scholars that say the Nephilim were not the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. If that's true where did the Nephilim come from?
Well those scholars are clearly wrong. lol
In Genesis 6:4 it states that the children (Nephilim) came from the union between the sons of God and daughters of men. So I have no idea why those scholars say Scripture is wrong on that.
Glad They Touched Base On Possible "Angelic Possession" Considering That W3 Only Seem To Hear Stories Of The Demonic Kind. At Least That Use The Term "Possess".
Couple of Scriptures come to mind: Genesis tells us God created everything to reproduce after its own kind. Fallen angels and humans are NOT of the same kind. In the Book of Hebrews God asks to what angel have I said you are my son? The Book of John states To as many as received Him (Jesus) He gave the power to become the sons of God. To me that means no angel can be referred to as a son of God. And though the fallen angels may take the form of man as in the account of Sodom and Gomorrah they might be able to have sexual relations, but they cannot reproduce at all. Leaves me to believe the sons of God in Genesis 6 were men not angels. I'm still studying God's Word for the truth. We see through a glass darkly and only know in part here on earth, so Praise God, His true sons and daughters have all eternity to learn more clearly of Him and to love and serve Him more dearly. JESUS IS LORD! MARANATHA!❤
Job chapter 38:4-7 tells us the Angels were present when God laid the foundations of the earth.When God(Elohim is plural )let us make man after our image and after our likeness is speaking to the angels as well ,most bible footnotes make this distinction.
@@Terrylb285 Job 38 is (bene Elohim) whereas Gen 6 & Job 1,2 are sons of God (bene Ha-Elohim).
Let Us make man in Our image is God (Father, Son, Spirit) making man (body, soul, spirit). Angels are ALL spirit beings Hebrews 1:14.
@@larrymoore2571 correct spiritual beings were present when God laid the foundations of the earth.
Hello from south africa .
Matured and respectful discussion. It would be a shame if Christians are divided over Bible discussions. Agree that we should be focussing on more critical aspects of the Bible, namely salvation, which is given by grace but we cannot live our lives without principles or values. Christians should strive to reinstate God's will on earth as it is in heaven. NOTABLY, we should keep our baptismal promises (by all Christian denominations).
Good Christians suffer because they become the target of Satan. Do not reinforce Satan's dominion on earth by acting on his behalf by judging and gossiping about these good Christians. Instead, be God's hands and help these Christians. We should not be like Job's friends who were trying to find faults in Job despite God had said that Job is a good servant.
Sine the Bible itself, in the Book of Jude in particular, references the Book of Enoch, why would so one be so self righteous as to have a problem with anyone referencing it? We reference many things outside the bible in proving the truth of the Bible.
FOR SURE GIANTS ARE REALLY MADE THE LORD ANGER.
PRAYERS FOR ALL MANKIND THESE DAYS BECAUSE THE SEEDS OF THE FALLEN WAS WITH US AND THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY HATED JESUS.. EVIL SPIRITS ARE THE FALLEN ANGELS.
MAY GOD LORD ALMIGHTY MAKE US STRONG BECAUSE SPIRITUAL WARFARE ARE REAL .
Just because 1 Enoch isn’t inspired, it doesn’t mean it’s not useful. Biblical commentaries and dictionaries aren’t inspired and I bet those objects to second temple literatures use them.
if it is in the Bible, it is true. There were also unicorns and what about the Leviathan. Strange things back in those days.
Honestly unicorn was probably a rhino. But I agree with you on leviathan
I think they were the giant sons of the fallen angels that were cast out of Heaven by God.
I agree. They mated with humans and produced them.
I also agree with you.
That is TOTALLY conjecture and NOT in God's Word whatsoever! Do not ADD to God's words or take away from it!
Angles doesn't have body to mate and Angeles doesn't have gender they are just angles read Bible properly don't think just read Bible
That's why god says my people dies because they doesn't have knowledge of god
@@manojrandy AMEN! And no blood. And no reproductive parts.
Can you make one talking about who are the Annunaki? I've heard about this term alot lately and it's connections to the Nephilim and Sumarians
Anunnaki are the gods of the people of ancient Sumer. From a Christian perspective they’re just one of many thousands of false gods and nothing more. Modern day conspiracy theorists say they’re an alien race that built the pyramids and did all sorts of stuff, but again that’s all outside of Christian beliefs.
@@kamandi1362 thanks for the clarification. :)
Imo they're the watchers themselves. The fallen angels
i Would LOVE To See That As Well.
i Have Found mySELF Once More Wondering Why Humans Don`t Understand "Following In a Father`s Footsteps."
And The Annunaki Seem To Be A Possible "Tie" To These Histories.
Interesting topic... Kevin brought up some interesting concepts... I'd assumed that The Sons of God were a part of the original, rebellious, third of angelic creation, that defected with Satan... He suggests that it may be a different cadre of angels... Also, I wouldnt assume that these beings were "married" to these women.
Also, if these were the progeny of the sons of Seth.., or of kings and princes... How would this result in superior, physical beings, since all of the aforementioned were human?
You say _Also I wouldn't assume that these beings were "married" to these women_
Genesis 6:2 clearly says that the sons of God "took them wives of all which they chose"
Whenever Scripture speaks of anyone taking a wife, or wives, it is only and always within the context of marriage.
And Jesus tells us "angels do not marry" so if these "sons of God" in Genesis 6 are angels as you allege to, that would make Jesus a liar.
@@Joel-Serra You raise an interesting point, which I will concede... I think this eliminates a second cadre of angels as being the seed of the Nephalim. Also, as I stated earlier I don't believe the the progeny of humans can create a race of super men, as you suggest. So I will stay with my original conviction that this super race is the spawn of demons. There is no evidence to suggest that demons are still angels, and are therefore not bound by marriage restrictions. Also, the fact that God bound them with chains, and imprisoned them beneath the Tigris and Euphrates rivers until His second coming, is not a remedy that would be needed for mere humans.
@@Joel-Serra Jesus sad as in the angels in heaven
God said let us make man in our image and after our likeness could easily include the angelic realm when he was speaking.
I am a Christian and study the Bible and I can't understand why no one wants to study these particulars, if you had a friend which Jesus is my friend one would want to know more and more about them I will never know everything until we get to heaven but why not study these subjects
At first he says the nephilim were the fallen and had made a grave sin. and then he says the nephilim were the offspring of the daughters of man and sons of god. I’m confused which is it . We’re they angels who left the dwelling place and came to earth…. Or what
Was the incarnation of Jesus the Son of God who became human similar to the nephilims?
What about Samson was he one?
And what about the dinosaurs did the fallen Angel's make them? Like T rex It is hard to believe God would make it to dwell with us ... I always thought satan might have tried to destroy man through dinosaurs.
Also I don't have a church if I tythe to Got question could that be considered my tith?
Right from the beginning of scripture (Genesis 1) God establishes His law of procreation that 'ALL' creation reproduces after their own kind (repeated 11 times for emphasis and clarity). Why would God suspend His natural law of creation and breathe life into these hybrids if true?
This question is never answered by the angel/women/demigod group. Why?
The clear contextual congruity of the text preceding and subsequent to Genesis 6:1-4 is only about mankind. The first mention of angels is in Genesis 16.
Who are the 'sons of God'? God defines the 'sons of God' only once in scripture here:
~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
Genesis 6:3 reveals who the 'sons of God' are in Genesis 6:2.
~ Genesis 6; (2) the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. (3) Then the LORD said, “My 'SPIRIT' shall not 'ABIDE' in 'MAN' forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
Who were in jeopardy of losing God's 'SPIRIT'? Angels? No! 'MAN'!
Again, "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." 'MAN'!
The remainder of the chapter is all about MEN of renown, mighty MEN, the wickedness of MAN, MAN's thoughts were only evil continually. God was sorry he had created MAN, and God will blot out MAN from the earth.
What is missing? Angels, hybrid demigods, corrupted bloodlines etc.
Couldn't you say that the book of Enoch should in no case be taken like scripture and have no actual spiritual impact, but can serve has a historical reference.
”The angels who sinned”, weren’t that the ones who joined satan, a third of the angels. The Bible doesn’t mention a second wave of angels that sinned.
God made the creation and all who dwell in it to multiply after its own kind, that’s why a human cannot get pregnant with anything else but another human. But now angels and men can interbreed by gods permission?
Then god must also had given the angels the ability to reproduce and have sperm, even tho Jesus say they are not like humans and they don’t marry or are given in marriage. This gets confusing 🤯
You guys don’t think this is important for us to spend time on? Even when the Bible says that the days of the coming of the son of man would be like the days of Noah? It’s hugely important guys. You are on the right track, but don’t stop. Keep studying and the Holy Ghost will teach you. Case in point- genetic manipulation then; genetic manipulation now. Maybe start there and please don’t believe this is not important. Cheers.
When Jesus says His return will be like "the days of Noah" He is not speaking of "genetic manipulation" He is speaking of the number or percentage of people on the earth who will survive the disastrous and cataclysmic events which will be taking place all over the world during the days just before His return.
In the "days of Noah" how many people survived the Flood? Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their 3 wives. That's 8 people total. The entire human population was wiped out except for 8 people. That's how it will be when Christ returns, the tribulation during those days will be so sore and so calamitous, most of humanity will be wiped out.
@@Joel-Serra
The *Flood* =*Global* *Warming*
@@Joel-SerraEXACTLY
1st Corinthians 11:10 ...'wearing the veil "because of the angels". What do you think of this?
Be careful of assumptions based on four words in a chapter. Read before and after to obtain a clear meaning.
1 Corinthians is about humbly submitting to God's proper authority structure of the church.
~ 1 Cor 11:3; ... "Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ."
~ 1 Cor 11:4; "Every man who has something on his head 'WHILE PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' disgraces his head."
~ 1 Cor 11:5; ..."every woman who has her head uncovered 'WHILE PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' disgraces her head,"
~ 1 Cor 11:13; Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to 'PRAY TO GOD' with her head uncovered?
Are we to believe that angels cannot control their sexual urges if they see a woman's hair, but only if they are in church 'PRAYING OR PROPHESYING, but all other times ho-hum?
No, Paul is reminding the women that their rebellion is seen by God and angels, and they should comply with the authority structure of the early church.
No priest will ever tell me what is written and guided by my lord and father
Where can I find the other videos in this series?
Jesus says in Mat 22:30: 'For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven'
This teaches that the angels do not marry, and being immortal they do not need to procreate. Reproduction is only a necessity for mortals in order to replenish the population as people die. Sin and lust is also a thing of mortality, and therefore not in God's angels. God has put desire in men for women in order to bring reproduction, so we wouldn't expect that same process to be in the angels. So, the sons of God must have another meaning than fallen angels.
The word 'Elohim' is sometimes translated 'mighty', for example in Gen 23:6 where Abraham is called 'a mighty prince'. So, sons of God could just mean 'sons of the mighty', that is, sons of mighty men. They then married whichever woman they chose, which could have been not only the best looking, but the tallest and strongest. This would then lead to children with greater statures than others, who became mighty men, men of renown.
If God gave his only begotten Son to redeem man ; how could there be any other Son’s of God ??????? The word says that Angels have no gender neither marry !!! How could fallen angels have children ???????
JESUS REVEALED AND EXPOSED THE TRUTH ABOUT SEEDS, TARES OR HE CALLED CHILDREN OF VIPERS, THE GOATS HE WILL SEPARATE SOON.
GOATS LUCIFERIANS CHILDREN
THE SEEDS OF NEPHILIMS WHO ARE FALSE GODS WORSHIPPERS AND THE SATAN THEIR GODS,
THE FALLEN ONES HALF HUMAN HALF ANIMALS CHILDREN OF SIRENS THE CURSES ONES IN BOOK OF ENOCH..
PRAY MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL AND THEY HAVE (DNA) EYES OF SNAKES.
GOD BLESS
Jesus when He arose from the dead and met with the disciples, took bread and ate with them.
But Did Not "God" Come Into Mary According To Scripture?
So Why WOULDN`T His "Sons" Do The Same?
Absolutely NOT! Immaculate conception is a term you must educate yourself with.
It says Adam knew his wife and she bare Cain so Cain does not seem to be a nephilym right? It says they were giants like Og.
@8:38 you say because angels ate food they can have sex and reproduce. You have to admit that is a huge jump. I'm looking into more on this so I am looking at all arguments made in every direction.
That’s not what he said. He said because they ate food it makes you think “it could be possible”.
100 percent correct
Didn't God know all this would happen with the Angels and Humans when he created everything?
With flesh and spirit, but no soul
Great subject . Look up the giant of khadai. Has In the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of man the return of the nephilim
The doctrine that fallen angels procreated with human women is demon worship. This is why it is a big deal. The origin of this doctrine is found in Talmud mythology. The doctrine was created to reject Salvation through Jesus Christ. I spent 5 years on this subject. The foundation of this doctrine elevates fallen angels to being equal with God the Father who goes to work upon conception, Jesus who was 100% God and 100% flesh and the Holy Spirit through whom Mary conceived the Son of God. There is your answer to how fallen angels procreated or their DNA was passed down. This doctrine forces you by default to elevate fallen angels to being equal to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Early Jews, who rejected Christ, sought to blame the sin of man and flood upon fallen angels. This doctrine also states that Adam and Eve never sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. It claims that it was actually God's will. Do your homework. You cannot see that the belief that any angel any angel being called a son of God violates the "Law of Noncontradiction" because Hebrews 1 clearly teaches God has NEVER called an angle His son. Likewise, Jesus reproved the Sadducees for claiming angels could procreate. They too held this false doctrine. We actually have the physical evidence today that they adopted this false ideology. It is a big deal to inject conflicts into God's Word through private interpretations based upon mythology. The doctrine also violates the "Law of First Mentions" as the first use of sons of God is found written by Moses in Genesis in the Hebrew "ben Elohim" and then Moses clearly uses angels of God in describing Jacob's dream in the Hebrew "malak Elohim". Again, it is a big deal to inject conflicts into God's Word through private interpretations based upon mythology. This doctrine has profoundly confused the understanding of God's Word in Genesis, Job, Psalms, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jude, 1&2 Peter, Hebrews and Revelation. Yes, that is a big deal. This doctrine has profoundly confused the understanding of creation and the worship of God. The demonic power of this doctrine is powerful enough that you guys cannot see these things and you have been deceived into believing it is not a big deal. This is how Satan works guys! You have no idea how big of a deal it is and how widely it has been used as a weapon in the spiritual war Satan waged against God.
the text says clearly that nephilim were there before and after ...so they were not part or pffprings of the union of the sons of God and daughters of men thats is simple as that...ok
God destroyed all flesh during the flood !!!
My question is how can angels have sex with humans? Angels are spirit beings. The Sadducees did not believe in resurrection and asked Jesus about the man who married seven times to different woman when he died whose husband will he be in resurrection? ( Matthew 22: 23 to 30) . Verse 30 , In the resurrection they neither marry, nor given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Also my question is if in resurrection men & women will be like angels , how can angels who don't have sex marry? Read 1.John 3:2 , we who are sons of God will be like Jesus when we see Jesus at His coming.
Amen, wow, this is powerful stuff
But, Bible does not say that Nephilim were offspring of Sons of God and Daughters of man.
Yes it does. Right in Genesis 6:4.
"There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
"In those days and after" referring to Genesis 6:1.
"when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them."
The keyword here is "When" when did the Nephilim show up? When the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.
They were the children born to that union
Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.
Could the sons of God have been the men and went into women from Cain maybe they were already nephilum?
Because regarding Ham and the cursing of Caanan that he uncovered his Father noahs nakedness that his nakedness was Noah's wife 2nd wife and the son cursed was because he was the product of that sin. Naamah I read was Noah's wife and a descendent of Cain
Because the sons of God men of God were separate than pagans Cains descendants.
The Naamah mentioned in the Bible is a Cainite, a descendant in the lineage of Cain. However there was a Sethite named Naamah it says is named as the wife of Noah, and a daughter of Enoch, Noah's grandfather, in a medieval midrash.
Not sure I am still studying.
Also couldn't the book of enoch be written by enoch descendant of Cain?
It is hard to trust writings from some since God said that the Pharisees were synagogue of Satan.
I really only read the bible for the truth because when I heard some of the book of Enoch I felt it was not on the same level with the word of God. It had a different tone to it.
Sons of God are just godly men. Angels not created to mate let alone to mate with humans. This is another gospel. Sin caused the flood and not angel human intermingling.
It was an immediate it lasted centuries
You can tell who is in to sci-fi and who is not.. sorry sir sons of God is Be-ne Elohim meaning the watchers not human flesh but God’s council. You must study. You must study. You must study. Not just the NKJ version either. Children of God need to research
Deuteronomy 29:29
Angels came to earth to teach man to became godly, but abandon their positions, missions, abandon their home(heaven).
Do the Nephilim return at the end of days?
No.
No where in the Bible does it say these angels don’t have reproductive organs, all the Bible says is that angels don’t not that they can’t. We just cannot read and not study
Some sources say that they can take a form of human so.., it's possible
She argues the Western view and you defend the Western view. There are eighty one books in the canonized bible god said so jesus christ
I think you’re totally wrong. It says it all in Gen. 6. Don’t add a jot or tittle. First, it says they took wives…they didn’t rape, and they didn’t kill. They took the human women as wives. They loved them and Yahweh did not destroy the Unions. Second, Yahweh saw that their offspring were immortal, and rather than carry out death against them, he gives them life…a lot of life…120 years…it then says that the offspring were the ancient heroes, men of renowned…Jeremiah 6:16 says when at the cross roads to seek the ancient paths to find rest for our souls…you all are totally misled. Nephilim are heros. Jesus would technically be a nephilim, but ultimate immortal like god because god is his father…but that’s not true because Jesus isn’t real. Yahweh reigns for ever and every for every generation!
Instructions left by jesus are for today Nephilim R. yesterday
Greetings I don't believe the son's of God are the fallen angels.
1. Angels don't have gender.
2. Why was the book of Enoch omitted from the Bible?
Angels have taken on human form before and are called men. Meaning they have a gender:
Genesis 6:1-2, 6:4, 18-19, 32:24-27
Judges 13, 6:11-12, 6:20-22
Daniel 3:25-28, 9:21
Hosea 12:3-4
Mark 16:5
Luke 24:4
Hebrews 13:2
Sons of God not set s bloodline, term sons of God means on holy bible an angel angel angel
Creation and procreation is of God not any creature. This is exegeses and not dividing the Word rightly.