Trail Vs Enduro Electric Mountain bikes | Whats the Difference ?
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Trail Vs Enduro Electric Mountain bikes | Whats the Difference ?
Riders I hope you like this closer look at the Giant Trance E+ Vs the Giant Reign E+ and a massive thanks to Giant for the long term test bikes.
If you have any questions please ask.
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Terrific comparison video!
Very well done simply articulating the main points, mixing in a few personal preference callouts.
This makes sense why I preferred the feel of my 2019 Powerfly FS7 over the 2021 Turbo Levo.
The Levo was clearly the superior bike on paper but I felt it was boring to ride on my local trails, which makes total sense now that I watched this.
I still have my FS7 and returned the Levo.
Excellent video. I've watched about 250 mtn bike videos the past few years and always wondered about some of what you took the time to explain here. Thank you!
Thanks mate, a lot of work went into this one!
such an awesome review and product review.. thanks!
Brilliant content as usual⊠great comparison of the two types of bike
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Thanks Jimmy have a great weekend
hi sam , thanks a lot for this fantastic point of view about those two bike .. i was waitning long time for a video like this.. u always the numebr one!!!
Oh Mauro mate thanks for your kind words it really means a lot! So much time goes into these videos so it really helps
Me stay moving
I am very interested in in the Trance E+ 1 and the Reign E+ 1 so this was just the kind of comparison I was waiting for. Thanks for the great work.
Iâm glad mate any questions please ask!
Now some things make a lot more sense. Thank you for that enlightening video đ
Itâs great to hear mate
Nice one Sam , really considering the trance , great work đ
Thanks Deano
Great video. I currently have the Trance X Advanced but kind of wish I bought the Rein. My son has now started to join me so I was going to get the Rien and pass down the Trance so I have access to both.
Hi Sam, nice video, thanks for bringing us the 2 points of view of e-bikes.
Thanks đ mate see you next week for the report on the cascade link haha
Reviews are awesome. Thanks!
Hey mate yes I know I spelt Giant wrong đ but thanks for letting me know
Great video and comparison Sam! Increasingly blurred lines between Trail and Enduro these days, add the flipchip adjustment to this and it becomes even more difficult to decide. I ride my Reign with flipchip in high giving it 64.5° heat tube angle & turning it into all rounder TrailDuro bike for me. Cheers! đ
Thanks mate totally the bike industry loves to Change things up all the time!
Good explanation of the two styles . i had never quite understood the difference until now .
Thanks mate! Itâs kinda hard to understand if itâs not really broken down.
Another cracking video Sam! Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this channel. You deserve many more subscribers.
Would be nice to see some Cube bikes on your channel. The Hybrid 140 and 160 ActionTeam bikes would be a good comparison, and would relate to this video too. They're a little bizarre really, as aside from the obvious suspension travel and chainstay size differences, they're strikingly similar. They're also pretty much the same price too, just to add more confusion for the consumer.
I've ended up ordering the 140 purely because it was the only one I could get hold of. If you're ever in the UK and want to take it for a spin you're more than welcome. Take it easy mate đ
Thanks mate! I try my best, as far for the cube ebikes I have emailed them a few times but never had a reply, I know Rob Rides has just done a review on the e160 and it sounds really good.
@@SamsBikes honestly mate, keep doing what you're doing, and ignore the comments about typos etc đ
If it's any consolation, I believe Cube aren't the best when it comes to communication. Watch them come out of the woodwork as your channel expands. Then you can tell them where to go đ
Brilliant review I have a standard Trance and my wife rides the LIV Intrigue so we were looking to convert to e versions of the same as we mainly ride fire trails here in Australia so this review has confirmed for me that the direct switch is the best option. Thanks again for a super honest review!
Have you done any LIV e bike reviews with one of your female colleagues?
Thank for the information. I really like that you didnât spend the majority of the video showing trail riding!
Thanks mate this was a hard video to edit but it worked out well.
Sawadee kap Sam, Well thought out video regarding the Trail / Enduro comparison! Blue skies, Jg
Thanks John!!!
Excellent. Mucho helpful.
Great advice!
Good vid Sam đ
Thanks Jimmy
Good video lots of detailed info
Thanks mate
Great stuff for me currently riding my 29r's ( SS hardtail, geared hardtail, and a Giant Anthem) and looking to go eMTB with a Trance for more travel on my aging/worn out carcass that used to do 40+ races per season.
I suspect the time difference gap on the reign vs trance on climbs would increase a lot more on extended (15+ min) climbs compared to the time gap on longer descents?
Great video my love!!!!!
Thanks my love great camera work!
Great comparison video! Bea did a great job as well!
Thanks mate enjoy the new bikes
Thanks mate enjoy the new bikes
Nice one Sam! During the bike festival in Willingen I tested over 10 different eMTBs, climbing and bikepark downhill with big jumps and quick bends. Overall my favorites were the Trance and Reign, but I really preferred the playfulness of Reign. But unfortunately the wise people of Giant decided that they don't sell the Reign in the Netherlands and to make it worse they have a very tight warranty policy (only warranty in the country of purchase, at the bike shop where's it's bought). Real shame, loved the bike!
Thanks for the comments I didnât know about them not selling them in the Netherlands
@@SamsBikes and also not Belgium :-(
Buy it in DĂŒsseldorf
I want your job! Always enjoy your reviews. Keep up the good work mate.
Interesting conclusion where you favoured the trance. I agree. I reckon a lot of people think bigger travel is always better and head to the big hitters without thinking about what would be the best overall bike for 90% of their riding. A bit like people buying massive 4x4 utility trucks when actually they donât need it. More for show than anything else.
My wife just bought the trance X e+1 âŠ. The aluminium one with the bigger 750 battery. A VG spec and option for the price (NZ$9400). Still in the garage waiting for the rain to clear. Was tricky because she was on the cusp between the size small and medium. Went for medium in the end as the seated riding position (seat to bar) was close to her existing trail bikeâŠand can always put the seat forward a bit and shorten the stem slightly.
Ciao from NZ.
Thanks Andrew, itâs interesting the more I test I used to thing more was better but now Iâm loving Trail Bikes just more fun, I think they feel faster when there are clearly not hard to explain! I hope your Wife enjoys the trance a tip would be get some 30mm riser bars and run the stem with all the spacers this will make her feel more comfortable and confident.
@@SamsBikes thanks for this advice Sam. Yeah âŠ. was considering swapping across the 30mm riser bars from my Levo expert (raw carbon optionâŠ.still on orderâŠ3 more weeks!) onto the e-trance exactly for that purpose. The medium e-trance already has a shortish 40mm stem so shortening that to a 35mm stem is an option I guess too, but only a 5mm difference.
I have a carbon OneUp 35mm riser bar which I intend to put onto the Levo. Love that set of barsâŠ. You tried them? By the way, my decision to buy the Levo (instead of the new Trek Rail 9.8 which I had on order but cancelled) was based partly on your reviews. The power of CZcams đ€. Cheery. Andrew
Fascinating comparison. Important to know that Enduros arent just for advanced downhill riders, but maybe for less experienced to build confidence. QUESTION: Was the trance you were on the trance advanced or just the trance. I assume it was the advanced because of the live valve. Thx again for all you do.
Hey Mitch thanks for the kind worlds, I think thatâs what I said in my conclusion that enduros are for less confident riders. And yes it was the trance advanced with the fox live value but actually all the trances have the same geometry but different build and frame material and battery size
I have the 2022 E1+ enduro Giant and I love it. Going down it feels like a tank. Iam not so skillful that I would want to do jumps but I love to push it and jumps just come when bike flies downhill. Really fun bike.
Totally champ itâs a sweet bike
170mm of travel is the new minimum for a emtb now
Tnx, Very useful clipđđđ
Glad you liked it!
@@SamsBikes Hello.
Do you have any expirience with ktm e bikes (prowler, kapoho...)?
It look's interesting bike with good equipment (especialy higher model) but on internet is not many real test this bike.
Any opinion recomended...đ
Awesome comparisonâŠ.đ
Thanks mate!
Fantastic video! The best comparison I've seen. Unfortunately it hasn't made my Orbea Rise vs Orbea Wild decision any easier đ
Which one did You go for finally? Any regrets, second thoughts so far? And which spec did you choose?
@@d.k.4882 I went for the Canyon Strive:ON in the end. I wouldâve picked the Wild but it was so much more money than the Canyon for basically the same spec.
Thanks for the fast response. I am about to get a wild H10, with upgraded xt m8120 brakes. First emtb ever, so difficult to choose...
Enjoy your bike, take care!
Nice info. Tks
Thanks mate
Which is better.. Scott Genius 920 or equivalent spec Giant Trance?
Great video
Thanks mate
Oh man, this will be good đ
Thanks mate!
Thanks for the video. I'm thinking about these two as my first e-mountain bike. During my research I have seen several forum comments about '22 Reign frames cracking. Do you know anything about this? Thanks.
Mate I havenât heard that but Iâll have a look into it.
Good content but a lot of trail bikes have a little slacker head angle then the trance and less fork travel then the reign. My Trek rail for instance has 160 mm front but 64.5° head angle. That's pretty much what the specialized levos for 2022 have as well. Most people categorize the Enduro bikes as having 170 mm front and 160 back I believe. Make some harder to turn in slower technical things and better for going fast.
Thanks mate yes itâs harder these days to call a trail bike or an enduro bike that why I said in my book in 2022 this is my opinion
Giant consistently spelled wrong in the video mate! Killer vid
I know mate sorry gutted only noticed after uploading
Sam , the current ebike winning the EWS-E is a Orbea Wild with a 65.5 HTA, you might need to rethink your head tube angle comments my friend, either way enjoy the vidâs
Thanks for the information but I did say in 2022 show me any enduro with more than 64,5. The orbea is a pretty old ebike
I bought a 140 trail bike then ended up riding a lot of enduro with mates (who all ride kenevos), which has led to suspension upgrades. I don't think a kenevo would ever be the bike for me but in hindsight I probably would have been better with something in between. Good video but the constant misspelling of Giant throughout kinda distracted me :)
Thanks for the kind words and sorry about the spelling Iâm dyslexic and sometimes miss these things very disappointing for me as this video took so long to edit!
I hear ya. I edit my ride videos down into 3-minute clips and it's given me full respect for those who put out fuller content on a constant basis. I'm just a pedant, haha!
The most important thing for me is not the time (hey, itâs an ebike) itâs what bike is the most fun đđ»
I agree it really depends on where you ride it! If your trails are not wild đ then a trail bike might be better
I wanted to get a bike for inspecting properties with. Riding behind homes through grass and on streets. I wanted to buy something super comfortable with a lot of assist that will go through grass and sand great. I live in Florida so itâs fairly flat. Which one would you recommend? Thanks for the awesome videos!
Hey John thanks for the question, I would say the reign might suit you better for the think grass with some hidden pot holes! It will just me more confident and forgiving I think anyway.
@@SamsBikes thank you for responding.
Got a trance.29r and just wondered where ya had the flip chip as it slacken fork angle
Yes there is a low and high setting on the rear of the linkages
thank you
what happens if you have a trail and you want more travel in the front and put a 170 in the front from a 150 ?
I was very much on the fence between a trail and enduro e-bike, bought the Reign +1 and absolutely love it. I do everything from 4hr epic cross country rides to bike park on it. Such a versatile and sorted machine.
I use the chip in the high position due to pedal strikes but would consider swapping to low on Alpine DH tracks, adding a few PSI to the shock.
Hi/ how fo you find the reign on steep climbs/ does the front stay grounded or is it always wheeling. cheers.
@@sandstau no issues with the front lifting, prob because of the steep seat tube angle. Climbs like a goat.
Who wooda thought...trail bike better 4 trail centre, enduro bike better for DH :) ...nice review tho, I have the Reign so love to try the Trance.
Haha đ yes I know but it was interesting to see how much difference there is
great ... after ~50 hours of just looking for the best bang for the buck, I was already set on the Reign E+3 (hard budget limit 4800⏠as i then can write off 35% ).... but seems a trailbike would be a better fit..
back to start
What did you end up going with? Iâm in the same dilemma
How would you compare the trance to the latest trek rail, which is preferable.
Thanks Dean, both are great bikes the Rail sits more between a trail bike and enduro.
Hi what is the app you are using
Batteries rated by âwatt-hoursâ,â or amp-hours, motors are rated by watts.
Thanks for your information
Would be nice to see the runs in normal speed
At the start you spelt GIANT incorrectly did you notice before uploading?
Not being critical I just noticed
I really enjoyed your content thanks for a terrific video will be subscribing
Thanks mate no we only noticed it once uploaded sorry đą about that glad you liked the video!
â@@SamsBikeshey no issue your content is amazing really enjoying the vids and learning heaps
A very good question
Thanks mate!
@@SamsBikes This was definitely a really insightful review and as I said in my comment a really great question. Funnily enough I was just thinking about it today (better than reviewing contracts!!!), anyway I was a little surprised, but completely in agreement with your conclusion. Me and my mates ride Turbo Levos and I have tweaked mine to 160 up front and it is perfect... we often discuss, do you need something capable of jumping off the edge of the world when we live and ride in the English Lake District. Anyway if you're ever up this way I'll show you the trails... Keep up the great work.
What is the weight of the bicycle?
Nice bikes man đ these are the ones Carlos is and you are riding? Blue one looks sexy man. Enjoy pie night
Thanks mate yes this is the one Carlos is riding! Nice day!
Bent my chain ring and spider on my Trance X1 todayđ€Ł I walked away thankfully. Doubt the bike would have made the outcome any different. Flipping a 25kg 29er on a rock garden was an achievement đ đ€Šđœ Great review/ comparison bro!
Oh Paul Iâm glad your ok champ!
I am super happy with the Reign.
Iâm glad mate!
Sam how do you know locking out the suspension on the Reign is faster going uphill?
Good point I just felt it would be
@@SamsBikes I've done a bit of testing myself and I always end up climbing with the shock fully open. It's gives me better traction with less wheel spin and it's more comfortable.
I haven't tested range though.
Do you think you'll make it to any Ews rounds this year?
Hey mate. I believe you have a spellcheck mistake in the title of the enduro. At 01:32
bike doesn't look bad, but damn that spaghetti incident up front is an eyesore.
it is no brainer at all - I would pick up the enduro anytime!
Yep but it really depends what you are riding I think
@@SamsBikes probably it should depend. But actually it is not. I just ride enduro everywhere.
@@finroddd Sorry, but this is such a stupid thing to say. Just because you have an Enduro and ride it everywhere (which is absolutely fine btw).
I can Snowboard everywhere with my Storm Chaser Surf-inspired powder Snowboard, even just race down a icy snow slope with barley any snow or i can just use my Stratos race board.
I can use my Hilleberg winter expedition tent in a Snowstorm with snowfalls and my 5 huskys and not suffocate when I get snowed in. Or i use my lightweight 3 season tent, but then have to pick the perfect spot, wake up every two hours and check the weather, remove snow from the top and make sure i stay warm with some hot tea.
Obviously you can do it. But at the end of the day it was not designed for that and you are making your life just harder.
You just got used to your bike wish it totally fine. Ille highly recommend that you go and rent another bike for 1-2 days and test it (which is actually the entire purpose of this video). And suddlenty you realise the difference ;)
Cheers
@@IIISentorIII you have very good snowboards, man!
Is the current gen Levo considered a trail or enduro bike?
Hey mate the Levo is what I like to call a TrailDuro which is 150mm oh rear travel and slack headtube angle of 63,5 or 64,5 or 65,5. It can feel like an enduro or trail
@@SamsBikes So you could say the Levo is a good "all-rounder"?
I went to the giant website. I saw the E bikes and there were soooo many types and prices. Whatâs the difference between all of them!? Please help!
Mate thatâs good idea I will do a video on this soon
@@SamsBikes please! And which one do I need as a rider? thank you!!
I believe the reign frames are cracking near the bottom of the downtube....
Really? Where you heard this ?
@@SamsBikes emtb forum mate. Big thread about it
nice comparo but Trance is carbon and Reign is Alu - if you rode alu Trance the times would be closer. great riding, and great RV
Thanks bro, Iâm not sure the aluminum frame would make that much of a difference you might be right but!
@@SamsBikes you are the expert mate, both bikes are killers. You have the best job and fun! I ride standard 2021 29 Reign alu w upgraded suspension and when i rode my mates carbon Trance, it was super light almost scary going downhill, easy to pedal. By saying that i take ur expert word and an experience for it. Also canât wait for ur review of Sydney bike brand VMG ebike. Looks sick on paper.
Dude. Same title mistake in how to write Giant at 05:47
I bought a stance e+3 2023 on sale for ÂŁ2700 an couldve got the reign for ÂŁ400 more...now im selling my stance to get the reign. Trail bikes for me are great but i want something with more agility and pop. My bike skills are fairly decent and i dont like xc style rides i want to be flying through black trails like a mad twat.
Endooro?
I prefer a non electric bicycle for rocks, and mountains.
Giant instead of Gaint.
The name classification is extremely confusing.
The name Enduro has traditionally been used for a motorcycle that is equally useful on the road as off-road.
Why they chose to use the category of Enduro for a bicycle expect to be more useful off-road is beyond me.
Very confusing and ridiculous in my opinion.
But I think I finally understand after months of trying to figure out the categories.
Downhill bike I'm assuming is for extreme downhill trails which is probably obvious.
Enduro is more extreme trail riding and technical riding off-road
A trail bike is one step less aggressive which I assume is for most people and their mountain bike needs.
The next step up from there I'm confused on again.
Would that be a gravel bike ?
Gravel bikes look more like road bikes to me so I'm not really sure.
Then commuters and road bikes are a little bit more obvious.
Someone please correct me because believe it or not there is no website that I have found that really describes the classifications.
Most manufacturer websites are a bit vague with their classifications or at least how they explain the different classifications if they bother to explain them at all.
Most of them just assume that you know the different classifications.
I called a trek dealer one time to try and get clarifications and they were completely useless as well.
They merely said it depends on what use I want to use them for. Well news flash! I want to know what the bikes are best suited for and then I will decide which one will suit me best.
This video is the best I have found to explain the difference between two classes of bikes and it is greatly appreciated.
However I wish there was more videos like this to go into great detail of the common classifications nowadays.
Any reasonable person would rather know the classifications and capabilities of bicycles first and then ask a professional more details to decide what would be best shoot them.
Wow Steve thanks for the essay haha đ what else do you want to know? Iâm always looking for good video ideas
@@SamsBikes you did an outstanding job describing the differences between a trail bike and a Enduro.
More videos like this would be awesome !
I don't know if it's your expertise or not but I'm also curious why no one is developing a aftermarket breaking regen product ?
It would be a simple as developing a front-wheel or a front rotor that the consumer can buy aftermarket and install on any bike.
I know it's not energy-efficient for some Terrain. But those of us that live in areas where road bikes often go for miles down steep hills, I would think there would be a market for it.
Thanks mate thatâs a good idea đ I havenât seen anything on the market
Who rides downhill with their seat post in full leg extension position?
He's obvious never gotten a seat in the ribs after taking a hard drop.
What are you talking about mate? I always ride with my seat down
@@SamsBikesMaybe I didn't see that? Just when you show the bikes their seat post is up so high, well, I didn't know they went up to such heights.
I picture you riding along with your seat post in the clouds, hitting the front brake, and going superman over the front bars.
Come on man, those aren't road bikes: they are E-bikes right? Does one need full leg extension on an E-bike?
Same 6:20 :)
Might consider getting the bike manufacturer name correct in your editing :( GAINT
Might consider having some sympathy itâs clearly a mistake but did you like the video?
"Gaint" Trail bike, huh? xD
nice electric dirt bikes bruh
And so onâŠ. đ
I have the giant rein e+0 it has been a nightmare. The freehub broke and destroyed the entier hub. Dropper workin like shit. Brakes unblead. And worst of all the bike turns off random and wipes the setings i have to take the battery out and in to turn it on again. It lastet 2 months and 250kmđĄ it has been in the shop for 3 weeksđ€Ź thinking about quitin this sport. Do not recoment this bike even for my enemys
Gaint? Come on guys.
Yep đ great value ebikes
@@SamsBikes hi Sam, great video. I think Rob means the spelling of "Gaint" was in the video a bit, should be Giant.
Almost the same. Negligible differences.
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these bikes are so ugly. but i prefer the enduro bikes. my specialized kenevo turbo or the propain ekano as a mullet in large!!! climbing and trail Performance.
they both have too many wheels
Wont recommend Giant ebikes. Mine only lasted 1k miles. 3 months on, still in the shop no parts available yet. đ€Šââïžđ
The motor makes it so youd always choose more travel. Plus ebikes need more travel