Are Trail Bikes Better Than Enduro Bikes?
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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2022
- Mountain Bikes these days are incredibly versatile tools, but are different bikes better than others? Neil & Blake are out in the Forest of Dean Cycle Centre to put an Enduro bike against a Trail bike to see which one is the true jack of all trades and can be crowned their ultimate MTB!
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I've got a trail bike with 140mm/120mm travel. It's definitely less forgiving on big mountain descents, but it is way more fun in the valleys and foothills, where I do most of my riding. I think it's also easier to learn new tricks on a "smaller" bike. If you can only have one full-suspension bike, I would vote for the trail bike.
A DH rig for the park and a Trail bike for pedalling. Perfect combo!
Enduro for both👍 dh Bikes are for straight ye useless for me azleast
That could be the perfect bike combo as you get the best of both worlds! 👍
Currently own a Merida big trail 400. Love it. Yet to test it out for winter riding 🤣. Love your videos. Keep it up 🤘
Editor either needs a raise or he just got one! Super sick cuts and jams. Great work.
Sick edit, both visuals and audio are on point, give this person a raise!
I believe it comes down to the terrain you live in. I live in big mt country and an enduro bike clicks all the boxes especially the confidence box. I’m 63 and like to show up a little over gunned than under gunned. Getting hurt hurts a lot longer these days. I like to push it and I’m not as willing to go for it with less trail and rake.
Where you live is really the deciding factor. If you live somewhere with elevation it's usually a safe bet to invest in an enduro bike.
Got an Orbea Occam H20 with Carbon frame - light as hell, sturdy as anything. Been through all seasons, plenty of snow, lots of crashes... Holding up amazingly. Trail bikes are simply perfect for my use - everything from long rides to screwing around in the woods.
It also comes down to fit and geometry. I recently compared a trail bike to an enduro. I ended up getting the enduro because I felt like I was down inside the bike and a part of it versus the trail bike where I felt more on top of the bike. I didn’t like that perched up feeling, like I was tippy and out of balance. The enduro is longer and slacker, I can find the balance point easier, I’ve got more room to maneuver and more bike in front of me allows me to be more confident and aggressive. I’m over biked for 90% of rides I do but that 10% of unexpected gnarly chunky rocky rooted out nastiness doesn’t spoil my ride. The enduro is ready to eat it up.
Got my first trail bike and love it! I'm a pretty casual rider so love that's it's just a reliable all around bike. I had some nasty shifts and a crash today, so seeing both those things happen here made me feel better 😂🤙
I’m happy with my trail bike at the moment but I do go some locations where I would prefer an enduro bike for sure! I still get down the hill but with a touch less comfort.
I love how you greet everyone as beautiful people on your videos. Freaking awesome bro 🤘🏻
Awesome video, thanks Blake and Niel! (hopefully Niel is not in too much pain)
I have an 27.5" Enduro Bike with 170 mill travel and lovin it. 💚😎
Nukeproof Mega?
Glad you enjoyed! Neil is doing great since the crash (just some gnarly bruises)! 😬
@@andrewince8824 Radon JAB 10.0 HD
Hope you're ok Neil.
Trek remedy for the win, i love it. Xc, light/heavy trail and bike parks to.
Off to bpw tomorrow for a overdue session.
I like the editing on this one!
super nice style of cutting the clips and the music.... keep it up!
Glad you liked it! It was cool to try a new edit style! 👊
Had a norco sight 160, 150 whilst I loved it super capable recently purchased a specialized enduro. It’s in another league!! Gives bags of confidence and climbs half well too. Enduro bombers all day 🤙🏻
Such a good video!! Would go Enduro all the way though
The difference between both bike classes are so small, you have to descent really aggressively to notice that difference at all. And i would even dare to claim that most people would not be able tell apart what is what, if one is given to them for a test run without any information.
Most people don't even ride jump trails or any trails aggressively.
Id say most could tell on the 1st climb.
Well when you face a gnarly section steep with possibly rocks, the Enduro bike will be more permitting (or forgiving). It helps you trust the bike even more!
my local trails i rode agressive one both of them and the enduro feels so much smoother and more capable over rooty and rocky sections
I completely disagree. If by most people you mean non-riders, sure. But I rode a Slash for a couple weeks and it was like a monster truck compared to my Fuel EX. Everything feels different. I didn't jive with it.
I love watching u guys ride all these amazing bikes!!! I wish I could show y'all what I can do even on my cheapo depot mongoose rig🤘😎
I personally have really flat local trails but I like to travel to bike parks so I have a 120mm hardtail and a 160mm Enduro. Between the two all of my personal riding scenarios are covered
Absolute G's!! Pleasure to watch you hitting them trailzZzz
Neil you made my pain (for my yesterday OTB) look much more bearable after watching yours.
"mal comune mezzo gaudio"
(common soreness, half a pain)
Be better soon
Best suggestion for the bulls estream evo 45 am are 2.4 maxxis high roller II.
Save the 2.8's for the beach surf.
I just love that you showed a good rider eating it. Keeps us all real. Cheers.
I don't have a lot of big downhill sections in my neck of the woods. And the ones that I do have are immediately followed by some serious steep climbing. I recently picked up my first trail bike and it has easily handled everything I've thrown at it. The only way I'm going to pick up and enduro is if it's also an ebike.
Those riding vlog shots were pretty cool.
Got a all mountain trail bike with 150-140 mill travel. Best bike I've owned. Jack off all trades really. Love my bike and I've done cross country, single track and park with this bike.
2021 2nd place DH national champions winter park Colorado on my Ripley. Mind you it was in my age bracket 60-64 and there were 10 racers I did not pre run the course. Trail bikes can play 🎉
Enduro for sure, if you are fit enogh to pedal uphill. My rig is a Giant Reign, I love it!
I recently got an Enduro bike from Marin (160/150, 29er), which was an upgrade from my 10 year old Trek fuel ex 26" that was falling apart. I don't think I'm overbiked since the majority of my rides are technical black diamond trails, which the new bike is more suited toward. The Fuel was easier to climb with, than the enduro bike i'll admit. I'm not the fastest up or down, but I love having the extra squish for gnarly DH runs. I'm most looking foward to summer park season, with the new enduro vs the 26er i took to the park last summer.
I have a 180 - 170, it is great for me, I'm not the fastest, it is a do all bike with a lot of smiles, pushing me to improve when going up and letting all the joy going down
Hightower 145/150.. loving the setup.. rock shock lyric ultimate Fork running rock shock, ultimate, super deluxe
Love the new style of editing with the Rap.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed! 👊
Blake's "trail" bike has Lyrik, super deluxe ultimate with pyggyback and Vitoria Mazza tires. Those are all enduro specs...Basically short travel enduro bike
lol no
True, but that's why they call those "aggressive trail" bikes. My girlfriend has the Norco Optic which is specced just like Blake's Nukeproof. It couldn't handle full on Enduro riding, but can still tackle most technical descents
Cool new camera shots.
smart of them to mention xc rides. Since the trail bike is a lot like a xc bike with more "comfort" and perhaps for less fit riders a good option on xc rides that go over rougher terrain or for long time and could use a little more capability from the suspension.
Nailed it again guys,great info.
Thanks so much, Ariel! Glad you enjoyed! 👊
I'm not sure I'd consider 160mm a trail bike in the UK. I've got a 140mm trail bike and it's great for, um, trails with small jumps, rollers table etc. Lures you into thinking you can hit anything but it does get overwhelmed and feels like a little bike on big features. Pedals great. Now I'm buying an enduro bike because I want to go racing. And while I could on the 140 I'd feel much safer with a stiffer chassis/fork combo and 20-40mm more travel and won't mind the climbing being a bit soggy.
Super Fun Comparison! More of it!! :-) I hope Neil will get better soon, but he is a tough guy! He will recover soon! And thanks for not cutting it out! It´s something we all can learn from! It´s the reality!! Thanks 100times!!!
Depending on the brand a lot of modern “trail bikes” are just Enduro Bikes from 5- 7 years ago. That said most people today are over-biked…..as I learned when I built up a hardtail to stand in while I overhauled my Full-suspension. Very little of my daily/weekly/monthly riding needs a long travel trail bike/enduro and riding one made my riding almost boring
I got a Canyon Neuron this year and I like it...plenty of room for upgrades..but good out of the box.
Have a Bixs Lane enduro rig with 160/150 mm travel. This thing with the Sram x12 transmission is a monster. Love to climb with it, even more fun the descendings. For pure fun i think enduro is the way. But depends on what we like.
Superb.😍. What accessories did you used to film yourself from the front going downhill? 🤔
Hi I was wondering if you could do a video on the ins and outs of a triple clamp fork
With modern geometry (especially steeper seat tube angles), the 160mm front and 145-150mm rear combo is the perfect mix. Heavy trail or light enduro (those suspension travels were full enduro not that long ago), this sort of bike is all I need. Less travel would make the trails I ride (lots of roots, rocks, small to medium drops) too harsh. Anything more would be unnecessary 95% of the time. I rarely bottom out. Unless you are an enduro racer or are bell bent on smashing down gnarly steep trails as fast as you possibly can go, then a modern full enduro bike will be over cooked for most riders.
Agreed, Andrew! I've got 150mm rear and 160mm up front in a 14.5kg package and it's perfect. I can usually keep up on ascents with the xc bikes and can still ride hard on descents. I rarely feel underbiked for 95% of my riding.
@@chadandriowski9437 what bike do you have?
@@orla222 I have a 2020 Cube Stereo 150. It really is the goldilocks bike. Enough travel for bike parks, but not too much for trail riding.
I live in Louisiana so I went for a trail bike. No big downhills where I'm at. I went w/ a 5010 and it's killer.
I have the best of both a banshee phantom with a pike dual position, when climbing i have lower down to about 120mm, and once I'm doing downhill I have make it 150-160mm.
I came from a Hard tail not long ago because someone car crashed my Enduro bike, and I almost go for a full mid range Trail Bike (Norco Sight A2), but importer delayed me so much, than last year I ended up going for a 2022 Enduro frameset (Transition Spire), and transplanted all from my old 2015 Enduro Bike to her, what a hell of bike ,it's a Frankenstein, but it's so forgiving, only fall once in a rockgarden, low speed trying a New line and the front wheel locks over a bump hole bigger than the wheels
Then someone a Month ago buyed that same Norco (almost a year after BTW), I made the right call, The Trans looks more robust, weight the same, wider tires, and the Fox DPX2 Factory goes on another lever of ridiculousness from a Sunday ride
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.
I have both a130/120 Marin Rift Zone trail bike and a 160/150 Marin Alpine Trail carbon 2 enduro bike. For me the enduro bike is more comfortable on everything but rides with lots of technical climbs. The trail bike is definitely fun on flowy decents,but if I could only pick one it would be the enduro.
I picked up the new Scott Genius 920 this summer. Oh dear Lord. This bike was marketed for doing it all and it really does. 170 up from 150 in the back, and full lock out mode for the climbs. I've mashed on all the single-track in our area, thrashed all the curbs and stairs on campus and even smashed some jumps bigger than I've ever been brave enough to hit before. Now if only someone would showcase it on The Bike Vault 🧐
It's OK to sacrifice a little agility for rough, downhill confidence, which equals safety first.
My enduro is the YT Capra 27.5 which is a fully capable all rounder.
I must be honest if you only have money for one bike I would definitely go for the Trail bike. I race quite a lot and my trail bike is comfortable in an XCO, XC marathon and Enduro (which are the races most common where I live). It is definitely slower than my old XC bike for non-technical XC Marathon but for single track and tech stuff my trail bike wins hands down.
For me I've been smashing my 40K times on my Enduro, that were set originally on my XC bike (yeah I know its not Trail and was 120mm front & rear) and n0w find I'm riding more sections that I would have walked previously. These are trails suitable to XC.
It did play on my mind many times when waiting for the Enduro bike to be delivered, that it would be a tank, but it has proven to be so much more than I expected.
Same. I XC my Enduro all the time. No need for a trail bike at all anymore.
Fun video. Hard slam Neil ! Yikes...I have a 'downcountry' bike (120 rear travel) and a yeti sb150. I love both bikes, but I ride the yeti predominantly. I enjoy rough, technical trails and do a few enduro races each year... Bigger bike feels better at high speed/ chunky/ steeps. The bigger suspension gives a margin of error on technical terrain, in terms of line choice ;). Yeti also climbs really well- any slowness is due to my fitness. I have done huge rides on the bike (Lord of the Squirrels in Whistler etc).
In comparison, Tallboy is super fun, feels light and playful, in particular on flow trails. It is an amazing jumper! And descends very well because of pretty slack head angle, just the upper speed limit tops out a bit earlier with the smaller suspension. It is nice to have both bikes for the contrast. But if I had to choose one, I would keep the yeti, because it lets me push speed on the downhills, which is my goal. However, I think if I lived in a place with less steep downhills, I might choose an aggressive trail bike as main bike- more fun on flow trails, but still capable descending.
It’s Almost magic since a rode a trail bike I’m actually planning get an enduro but after watch this video I feel more comfortable with my trail bike
Ive just ordered my first enduro bike :) all in parts Im so excited (propain tyee 29 cf)
Nice!! You'll love it! Safe riding! 👊
@@gmbn Im very excited, gonna tag you on IG in some pictures when its done :) a speedy recovery to Neil!
I believe you would see more difference changing the wheel size on these. I had a 29er bike (2.30 width tyres) that was somewhat sketchy in the turns etc but I went down to 27.5 plus size tyres (2.8) and it is unbelievable how it has changed the way I can ride it now, not skidding on any switchbacks, climbing over rocks etc just gives so much more confidence.
Yes it is a little lower to the ground but so far no issues with pedal strikes etc.
I got a Scott Genius with 150/150mm travel and it gets almost anything done!
It may be a regional thing, depends where you ride. I've found for the eastern Canadian rockies, I'm loving the enduro bike I just got. Climbs just as well as my trail bike did, but is way quicker and more planted downhill. Lots of vertical, lots of rock, enduro was an upgrade for me.
eastern Canadian rockies?
@@wyatberp3611 sorry, more precise. The eastern edge of the Canadian rockies. 😀
i like the new editing style
Thanks, Felix! 👍
Wish I could own both but I presently own an aggressive trail bike , INTENSE PRIMER S 29er
I seem to be quicker on my 140mm Stumpjumper than my Nomad on my local south Scotland enduro trails. I expect it's more to do with the 29" wheels and the fact I'm quite light/small.
Bird am9 160/150mm rocks at everything including 30 mile epics
If you can only get one I'd pickup a longer travel trail bike like the specialized stumpjumper Evo
I actually JUST purchased my first enduro bike last month and finished tuning it up this week. When I first became serious about mountain biking, I got a 2018 Santa Cruz Hightower. It’s fantastic, but I still felt like it was lacking in some of the trails I wanted to hit. I just purchased a 2018 YT Capra. Just in the few rides I’ve taken it on so far, my confidence in downhill has skyrocketed. However, I’m very happy I changed my mind about selling/trading the Hightower because there are some trails and even some weather here in Ohio that I could never see myself taking the Capra on, but the Hightower would easily dominate .
Nice. I have a 2019 capra. I wanted something more for going down than going up. Its an ok pedaler but a shock with a lockout would hwlp.
Awesome edit
Thanks, James! The team did a great job on this video!
I’m on a 140/130mm GT sensor with enduro spec wheels. Kinda a heavy trail/light enduro setup. Love the handling and performance, but I’m finally exceeding the capabilities of the stock lower end suspension and am debating upgrading the suspension ($$$), or starting over with an enduro bike ($$$$). More travel or higher quality suspension win the day? My fork in the road.
I'd go "sell the bike and get an enduro" if I can afford it. 130mm rear can only do so much. If money is tight I'd just sit on the trail bike for a while until I can fork the cash for a new bike.
Go enduro bike its so good on on most trails
DVO
I love your videos keep it up
Thanks for the support! We're stoked you're loving the vids! 👊
I’ve been on a trail bike for a while now and I want to switch to a enduro because the bike I currently have limits what trails I can ride. I want to progress and I’m already a good climber so I can muscle it out for the bombin’
I love the enduro that I have, 180 front and 160 back, it feels limitless, but on climb not so much fun, but still love it. Trail bike is wonderfull and all you need for a country without to much elevation, where trails are mostly flat or short descend, but the confidence an Enduro bike gives you is way more rewarding.
That sounds like a beast! Your bike must feel amazing going downhill! We totally agree that enduro bikes are so confidence inspiring! 👊
@@gmbnhey then you see a guy on a 10 year old hardtail ride the same trail you thought was tough… it’s the rider not the bike bro.. it’s all in your head. An extra inch of travel isn’t much at all.
late to the party, but you guys when all in for this video... especially Neill, hopefully you've recovered since...
That was one heck of a stack Neil, good thing you're built strong. Those bruises and scrapes definitely looked harsh.
I definitely don't ride as hard as Neil and Blake but I think I might prefer bigger travel so the enduro looks better to me but I have been riding cross country bikes, a dirt jumper and BMX's so haven't had the experience on bigger travel bikes. I have been working on my Giant Anthem X29er sussing out my bottoming out issues, turned out it was more the rear set up and the wheel buzz was caused by the tread buzzing on the reflector under the seat. I found a number of things not connected properly on the front derailer too, that was causing the chain to constantly fly off on hard jumps, now I have it riding as good as new after fixing loose, disconnected items and indexing the gears. GMBN tech videos certainly help out, thanks Doddy!
giant are outdated.
@@pushpopaddict my one definitely is, it's from 2013! 😜👍
Not exactly enduro terrain though. I love and miss the UK, and expect to be moving back there. It’s just not challenging riding.
But none of that matters. The only important thing is to ride the bike you’ve got. A lot. Our ability matters a lot more than our bike
🤙
I use my enduro bike on everything that is not asphalt , except winter then I I ride it everywhere with studded tires.
The winter were I live lasts half year with snow and ice.
The bonus is when I ride my road bike in the spring it feels like a rocket.
I haven't regretted once that I bought the Enduro bike, 14,5 kg is not that much weight for a massive super comfortable 29'er that I can even ride downhill with.
Got a 150 and 145 in the rear!!
I'd love to see a competition of Enduro with "faster/lighter" tires vs xc/trail with "stickier/heavier" tires, would be interesting to see how they fare against each other.
totes
Love my trail bike 140mm/130mm. Not sure what my next bike might be, maybe an enduro.
I bought recently a trail bike (150mm travel) because I Don't jump and its absolutely capable to run Enduro tracks
All I could think about is how much pain Neil was probably feeling from his crash…& he soldiered on - although I suspect they called it a day, had some tea and finished filming later…Trail bike for me as I am old and slow and enjoy climbing.
Fun video again👍👍
My bike has 160 up front and 150 at the back,does this make it a trailuro bike?
All down trail mounduro bike...
Those names getting worse and worse... 😆
Sorry, I just woke up from my coma, shenandoah 100 was in Sept and I'm finally beginning to walk after a broken leg. Chaos can hit the fan after so many hours on the trail. Night time is sketchy, so proceeded with caution. When I start walking better I'll be training for next year.
Enjoy all you do! Just know, there is a difference between enthusiast and hard core. You are the source of your own limitations. Follow my advice and keep it resonable.
Enduro bike, Neil nailed it at the beginning, Jack of all trades, master of the most important one ;-)
Yeah, enduro bikes have got to be the ultimate do-it-all MTB!
Camera angle is really cool
The differences between these bikes are minimal but the feel will be different. It also comes down to how and what you ride. An enduro bike will be more capable, but on a less technical trail it might feel easy. I think this is where the phrase “over biked “ comes in. The right bike for the right trails. For me and what I ride a trail bike is perfect for 80% of it. The other 20% it will do but not be smooth.
Nice video 😃😃 for me it's a trail bike 🚲 TMBN Trail MountainBike Naturally 😂❤
i was waiting for a video like this lol
All your dreams have come true! 😂🙌
You guys want to do some mountaineering?
How about hiking trails open for bikes.
Good rough and challenging, lots of rocks,
Come out and do the Shenandoah 100, held every fall in October. Can take up to 24hrs depending on your condition.
If you don't mind hiking a bike combined with trials, alot of technical, very little flow if non at all, some flat gravel for breaks,
We are here at stokesville VA usa.
Nearby features are reddish knob by briery branch, down to West Augusta, towards Covington/douthat state park and beyond.
We welcome you to test your endurance.
Even if you choose not to race because mother nature and human frailty always wins, there are check points with assistance if you want to fall out/DNF. This us the ultimate test of trail vs enduro. The deciding factor is if you can hang for a finish. Would REALLY enjoy seeing you there. If not, the multiple loops can be dissected into sections, and are the ideal test and proving grounds for riders and bikes while enjoying picturesque vistas. A bikepackers delight for overnight/extended adventures. You just have to earn the memories, nothing is easily given. A bit remote, support is @ 30 - 50 mi either direction.
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4:27 Flip it and Chip it brah! 🤙
Jack of all trades, masters of Fun 🎉 🚲🤘🏼
I just got a new dually and watched Blake’s new bike day video and he was right your friends have to jumps on it and squeeze the guts out of the brakes 😢
New video editor 👌🏼🙌🏼
Glad you enjoyed the different style! 😉
I did the fast gone this weekend and crash. My helmet saved my head and part of my left face. I said to myself, next time I’ll approach this downhill corner a bit slower.
I prefer the Enduro bike. Capable on my local trails and still capable when I go to the bike park. My 150 travel trail bike gets sketchy on the rough trails.
I have a 2019 YT capra 27.5 with 180mm travel and enjoy it. Not sure i would really want less travel.
FGWQ is literally my life's motto
Trail if ur on a budget and want smt to do everything but if u could get an enduro and a trail
Hey guys, I'm 26 years old and was a former 400m athlete, after a one year break I'm searching a new hobby, I ride road bikes for a while now and can get to a descend level to with little training but I've found descending quit interesting and not afraid to go fast and hard either I love it to take a bit of risk. So I crossed enduro is it still possible for me to get to a descend level and how and where do you train for it?
I have an Enduro and use it for everything, having said that if I could afford a trail bike as well then I would get one for sure
i think i'd go enduro bike & a XC bike