I'm Glad Jodorowsky's Dune Never Got Made
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- Jodorowsky’s Dune is an incredible documentary. If you didn’t know, this documentary tells the story of the production of the original Dune movie, and no I don’t mean the David Lynch Film. 10 years before the release of David Lynch's Dune in 1984, Jodoworsky gathered a team of incredible artists to work what is now thought of as potentially the most influential film never made. Many of those who worked with Jodorowsky went on to take some of those ideas and use them in other films. The influence of Jodorowsky Dune can be seen in Star Wars, The Alien Franchise, Terminator, Flash Gordon, Indiana Jones, Masters of the Universe, Even David Lynch Probably got the floating Baron Harkonnen from Jodorowsky's Dune. Alejandro Jodorowsky himself went on to take all of his ideas for Dune and put them into his comic, like the metabarons, and the Incal. Jodorowsky and his entire team had an incredible amount of passion coupled with unrivaled talent. If this movie were to have gotten made it would have been a spectacular thing to behold. Jodorowsky wanted to create something large, epic, and beautiful unlike any film before it. It just wouldn’t have been anything close to what Frank Herbert would have wanted.
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Did the channel name change or is this a new channel
Same channel new name!
@@QuinnsIdeas smart
@@QuinnsIdeas ..ok
@@QuinnsIdeas was there something wrong with the old one, or were you just feeling ready for a change?
Harry Potter I suppose it’s about not wanting to be limited or boxed in by a name that is too specifically referencing one particular series.
“My desert, my Arrakis, my dune”
Jodorowski probably
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
indeed
😂😂😂
"I don't know if I necessarily agree with Jodorowsky's metaphor" haha
He's a sex criminal and I'm glad it didn't get made.
he said:" to bare fruit from art you have to deal with the elemets instead of paint after colors. to deal with the elements you have to srep over the line of stunning bliss."
I think he meant 'analogy'
Welp, I was thinking of finally watching this, but....no thanks. Trigger warning.
(Maybe the miniseries, tho.)
@@kikijewell2967 there are 5 "dunes", the book series, the movie, the mini series, the new coming movie, and this, which is the failed project that never came to pass. dont confuse "the movie"(made by david lynch) with the documentary of this guy's failed attempt.
“What’s this random sex scene in the script Jodo… and why is it with you?”
Basically how I envision the movie going down
Right, the one with the sandworm cuddle puddle. So cringe.
Cringe the plot was
No matter what the movie would have been like, I think Orson Welles as Vladimir Harkonnen is perfect casting.
For real, THAT would’ve been something to see. I can’t think of anyone better suited to that role.
Omg yes.
Or maybe Marlon Brando in his later years. Think The Island of Dr. Moreau.
Dalí was the emperor... Ginger was having designs... It was too futuristic....
Treal Good!!!
@@pianomaly9yes
Jodorowsky's dune died but his vision got spread throughout film and influenced many different movies. Just like his Paul died
I'd love to see a Star Wars movie like this, set in the far future, with Chris Foss's designs...but then again, most of the fans would have a fit😃!
@@evertonporter7887 some people consider the original trilogy to be sort of Dune lite. Many of the elements are there but thoroughly watered down for mass consumption. Which makes me wonder how watered down the new movie will have be to appeal to a broad audience.
@@bpora01 A lot of things in books dont work on screen.
He also wrote a comic called The Incal with many of the concepts and ideas from his version of Dune, and is regarded as one of the best comics of all time, at least from what I've read
Like The sandworm in Star wars
Paul is not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy
Naughty, why naughty?
@@zannaifacedancer5915 It's a reference to another great film by the Monty Python group called: The Life of Brian.
Yeah I have seen The life of Brian, but it was so long ago so I didn't catch the referehnce. Now I want to see it again.
It’s such a classic. And holy shit they got away with so much
The stage production _Not The Messiah_ managed to be funnier than the movie- especially the ending when Caesar comes out and sings "I'm a Lumberjack"!
I'd love to see an animated version of Jodorowsky's Dune. That could really capture the madness.
Absolutely!!!
It could have been his best choice, but no he wanted live action and pay millions on Salvador Dali for only a few minutes. Crazy
Absolutely. The chaotic designs are not meant for live-action cinema.
@@charlespuruncajas9663 To be honest, the whole Salvador Dali scene would have been utterly bonkers in all the best ways. Intersected dolphins and burning giraffes!
It's in the documentary (partly). They actually recreated some of the scenes from the movie (as seen in this clip).
I'm 58 years old so I was a little kid when Frank Herbert published the first Dune novel and I didn't read it till the 1980's. I'm thrilled that a younger person like you is so into it and I always look forward to your videos especially your updates on the new film adaptation that's supposed to come out later this year.
Grandpa
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 bruh lmao
When I first saw the trailer for Denis' Dune I was inspired to read the book before the movie came out, im only 25 and yet I relate so much to these characters, specifically Alia and I love the lessons and messages in each chapter. The politics in Dune aren't far from modern politics and the parallels are really well thought out. Dune may have its years on the shelf, but it won't be forgotten anytime soon
What did you think of the recent movie?
2 things essential to understand: Jodorowsky is a Surrealist artist in the most formal, Academic, and historical sense of the word. Also, David Lynch more-or-less inherited a truncated version of Jodorowsky's production from the De Laurentis' production company which is why Lynch's Dune had such a strange patina.
I love how we're not alone in our fandom of Jodorowsky. 💪💪💪
@@FenrirFire18 I've only read the Metabarons series and only from there i can already tell Jodorowsky's very talented. His latest Metabaron tales (of the last Metabaron) are incredible and heartbreaking at the same time. I can't believe he did this when he was almost pushing 90.
He's an arrogant and pompous philistine.
Kinda curious how both Jodo and Lynch casted a rock star for the role of Feyd (Mick Jagger/Sting) and also a famous band make the original soundtrack (Pink Floyd/Toto)
@@charlespuruncajas9663 you do realize.... Jodo's dune never got made..... so Lynch just lifted some ideas from there.....
AJ: "...But with love."
Me: Steps back, draws weapon, raises shields.
lol i was going wtf
"Understandable, profligate. May Jupiter have mercy on your soul."
As a movie fan, I feel we missed something huge. Jodorowsy is beyond a doubt a genius and anything he touches is stunning and worth our attention.
As a dune fan... we absolutely dodged a massive bullet.
The perfect response. (Really)
I truly believe that if Jodorowsky was given the money needed, then he would have pulled this off. He was light years ahead of his time
@DONWASABIJUAN Would it be good ? It be a cult classic I know that. What we got now is plastic.
Correct. Orson Welles, Mick Jagger and Dali in a film together would’ve been amusing .
Dune fans didn't dodge a bullet , they dodge a "Nuclear bomb" , the visual in the 1970s 🤢 would had looked like the 60s Adam West Batman series.. but way more campy ,trippy and perverted..
So basically you're saying Monty Python's "Life of Brian" is the only true adaptation of "Dune".
@Laltluangliana Sailop I trust you love Big Brother too? ;-)
Clearly that's EXACTLY what he said :-D
@The Xenomorphian there are also ugly ass aliens in Space Ships, like the Space Guild Navigators
This made me chuckle.
ROFL!!!
I feel like Jodorowsky loved the feelings and ideas in Dune, but not the actual content. He felt that it should be a lot more mystical and surreal, akin to a film like Pan's Labyrinth. Something extremely strange but still relatable. Im glad it didnt get made, but im also sad that he never say his vision realised. The small amount of storyboards and art we've seen makes it seem like an intense passion project that would have been EXTREMELY decisive.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
As much as I love Paul Atreides character, I'm glad he's fictional. He is amazing but dangerous, he means well but he inspires a jihad... I think Villeneuve's Dune won't shy away from that.
I'm glad someone else caught onto them using the word "jihad" against house Harkonnen and the Fremen looking like a rebellious faction of Muslims.
He sees it as the only way open that ensures humanities survival and the knowledge of the horrible things to be done in "his name" break him terribly.
@@te9591 The Fremen do live on a desert planet, founded by zen-sunni refugees. While in 10,000 years I'm not sure humans will still five fingers & toes and only 2 eyes...but a desert culture may still adjust to long lived survival practices. Besides, the first war, the Butlerian Jihad a.k.a. The Great Revolt was against the robots and their masters, the Thinking Machines.
@@spacedinosaur8733 sounds cool. Zen-sunni is a mixture of asian/middle eastern philosophies i take it?
@@te9591 Yes, I belie so, Frank Herbert did evolve religions, such as the Orange-Catholic Bible.
Think you of the fact that a deaf person cannot hear. Then, what deafness may we not all possess? What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? ~ passage from The Orange Catholic Bible - FRANK HERBERT, the Dune saga
As long as the filmmaker changing book elements in an effort to make the story better, I don't see an issue with departing from the book. The much lauded Blade Runner, is really really different from Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep. And "The Shining" film is much more frightening than the novel.
Totally agree. Both films are way better than the books.
@@horstbaur7797 Yep. To me, Richard Linklater's adaptation of A Scanner Darkly is closer to the tone to Philip K Dick's surreal writing.
I think every director that diverges from the book thinks they are making the story better, but often that is hard to do.
@@horstbaur7797 Blade runner was a total insult to the book.
@@brandonsamano7428unfaithful adaptations aren’t always terrible.
Channel name suggestion: Ideas of Sand and Spice.
What will it be once he starts getting into Malazan then? :D
@@Grimscribe732 Ideas of HOLY SHIT VELOCIRAPTORS WITH SWORDS!!!
Ideas of Ice and Spice
How about "Melange of a Mind's Eye"?
You do know that someone makes this comment on every single one of his Dune videos, do you not?
The first video got copyrighted! I had to re-edit!
Why did you change your channel's name?
@@sergiorosales8658 most likely because his channel has gone far beyond Game of Thrones content
Post the original to bitchute!
Really glad to see you putting Quinn front and center. I really appreciate your content!
You should have been able to use the clips, as your work is obviously educational and transformative. Back before it was enacted, we campaigned against it saying it would be abused, and sadly it has. I must say that your analysis and criticism of SF&F has been some of the best I have seen outside of publications like the Science Fiction Research Association Review, or some of the real literary Science Fiction fanzines back in the day.
"I don't know whether I necessarily agree with Jodorowsky's metaphor." Damn Quinn, you are the last restrained gentleman on this planet for being so gracious in your response to this rather extreme statement of his.
The metaphor is that a woman has a fertility potential which can't be realized if she's just treated like her father would. Just ignore the silly psychoanalytic wording.
@@pedroteran5885 Gross...
Jodorowsky’s comments on rape ruin everything for me.
I didn't like it from the beginning the only thing I liked about it was the spaceship concept
My god, his version of Dune sounds like a crazy, fever dream!
I really hope it got made , because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
More like a colective acid trip translated to image and sound
Have you seen his movie El Topo? You can experience that right now.
Lmao he had the cinematographer take leaf puff to show his insane idea 🤣😂
That was an interesting metaphor indeed. Jesus.
Now I know where George Lucas got the idea for Anakin Skywalker's creation from.
The word "ravish" would have been better. But english is not his first language.
@@EugeniaLoli Potato, potato? Are you going for some different connotation? 'Ravish' means both to seize and to sexually violate, just as 'rape' has.
@@gamhacked that’s an archaic interpretation of the word- these days the second meaning of it “to fill with intense delight or enrapture” is just as common. Which I guess prompts its own thesis on how prevalent rape culture is... damn
@@tobysinbad Rape 'culture'. Now there's an oxymoron and a half!
I think Jodorowsky is absolutely insane and If his movie even got out of the concept phase, it would have tanked anyway
After growing up fascinated with Jodo's aborted Dune film and searching for all the concept art I could find online, and after finally watching the documentary and getting a strong sense of what the movie would have been, I completely share your opinion. The movie when been a Heaven's Gate level debacle that would have poisoned the waters in such a way that no big budget scifi film would have been made in the years after it bombed. I remember in the doc, they were shopping Dune around to different studios and presented it to Alan Ladd Jr., the head of Fox at the time, who would greenlight Star Wars (which was an unlikely darkhorse hit), Alien and Blade Runner. Ladd obviously loved science fiction and was the only executive who would have been remotely interested in making Jodo's film, but balked at the potential runtime based on the script. Jodorowsky flew into a fit and declared that he would have final cut on Dune and the movie would be eight hours long he wanted it to be. Jodo's ego was so huge he sunk his own film rather than, for one second, listen to reason. No wonder he made Paul a Christ figure.
Well said! Jodo's Dune would have done to Sci Fi what Ciminio's Heaven's Gate did to Westerns in the 1980s.
@@Lalo3001 Heaven’s Gate is now considered a masterpiece with it’s complete restoration
Denise Villeneuve about to no-scope all book-to-film adaptations with this gem.
Oh god please pretty much the only thing I am excited about in 2020.
Don’t raise your expectations to a point he can’t match because than the film isn’t allowed to exist on its own merit.
@@forrestpenrod2294 I think I'll raise them to the same standard of filmmaking that he delivered with blade runner, arrival, sicaro, enemy, prisoners, incendies, polytechnique, maelsteom... I'm just going based off track record
Villeneuve is seriously one of the very best filmmakers working today, and his filmography is immaculate. After seeing what he did with Blade Runner, I have a lot of confidence in him. But if he ultimately can't do it, then this may be a bold claim, it may be impossible.
This would include the legendary LOTR trilogy. Quite a tall order.
You're right, Jodorowski's Dune wasn't Dune, and might have been a hot mess. That being said, Both L' Incal and The Metabarons were awe inspiring books.
"Jodorowski's Dry Heap of Sand"???
@@barreloffun10 Alex's acid sand trip.
I think that Jodorowski's Dune would have been a mess. At 5:00, "I think that what he really wanted to do was recreate Dune in his own image. He re-imagined the story and refused to be restrained by what was actually in the book." This sounds exactly like what Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Rian Johnson did to Star Wars. Re-making the original stories in their own image.
@Erik van der Muelen There is a major difference. The Star Wars sequels were meant to be you know SEQUELS so by that rule they should tell new stories and be consistent with what came before but instead they re hashed the original trilogy's story, destroyed the characters of Luke, Han and Leia, brought in new awful characters and making the force look like a joke. Jodorowsky's Dune is a adaptation of the original book. It might not have been faithful but it sounds like it might have been a great sci fi story in its own right. The only major problems is that the film would have been impossible to make and we wouldn't have a lot of the great sci movies like Alien, Blade Runner and The Matrix if it was made.
The metabaron! Try to adapt this on the big screen. Amazing series in anycase
That a movie is not adapted as the book is, isn't an argument for someone to say that it would've be bad. The Shining.
the shining was ruined lmao. if you think the movie is good surely you didn’t read the book
@@viajantefuturo9116 what I'm saying is that the success of a movie is independent from the book.
@@viajantefuturo9116 bruh. I fucking love the movie.
That’s why Stephen King made his own movie of The Shining which no one saw or really cares about
The shining is a terrible adaptation but a great movie. This dune film would have been the same. It would have been a crazy epic project jo doubt amazing but he didnt care about the book so it wouldnt have been dune
I am EXTREMELY glad it didn't get made. It honestly seems like it would have been Dune only in name. It would be almost nothing like Dune. When people want to change something THAT much, they really should just make an original IP.
I say this about Jodo’s Dune: whenever I feel down, I’ll watch this documentary. Because in the end, Jodo’s Dune isn’t about DUNE but about a man who wanted to tell a story.
You can argue about the story’s quality but there is no denying the effort he put into seeing to fruition.
Very well said! It is amazing: his drive, and his ego - and how he got people motivated, even enthusiastic to pursue the vision with him
I believe the story of the production mimics the story within the movie itself. As Paul dies, his essence gets in everyone else. As Jodorowsky's Dune died, many of its elements got into other works: The Incal, The Metabarons, Alien, Star Wars, and many others.
The greatest movies in history are mostly driven by a mad director who is intensely visionary and uncompromising fearlessness ... The Godfather was made at the risk of angering the mafia crime families of its time, The Exorcist's director wanted so badly to achieve the most authentic reactions from his actors that he fired hand guns without warning to get their shocked expressions, Blade Runner's Ridley Scott had to battle his financiers and crew members who did not understand the movie he was trying to make ... etc
Jodorowsky's Dune could have been the greatest or the worst sci fi movie ever made but he clearly had the passion required to make such an audacious attempt at movie history ...
@Officer Murphy is it stealing if he buys the rights?
@Officer Murphy they have the patents, ¿stealing? gtfo
Interviewer: So how m...
Jodo: Yes.
Interviewer: ...uch acid
did you....
Jodo: Very much.
Interviewer: ....take to create this style?
Jodo: All of it.
and to this day hippies sing songs about the great acid blackout of 1975 when all the acid in the world was going over the tongues and eyes of Mr Jodo, Mr Moebius, Me Chris Foss, O’Bannon, Mick Jagger, Udo Kier, the group Pink Floyd, Salvador Dali.
Man- they did have the resources to get all the acid in the world
The planet Arrakis going around and turning lifeless planets into habitable worlds sounds like the Traveller from Destiny
Honestly it sounds like it would've been a complete disaster. People pretending that it would've been anything close to something great enough to change the landscape of film itself, are nothing short of insane. Mass audiences like movies that are clear and digestible. A 10-14 hour absurd and batshit crazy movie that shits all over the source material would've been received horribly, with a cult fanbase at best.
I think the big assumption about Jodorowsky's Dune was that it would have been good.
Yeah apparently everyone wants to see thousands of extras taking a shit on screen at once. I'm not being metaphorical or anything, that was on the script
@@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 Bro that would be fucking hilarious, but yeah I'm glad it wasn't made. Jodorowsky could have just made his own film inspired by Dune while not calling it Dune. I don't get why filmmakers see a very popular book and completely change it for the big screen because they have their own dream film they want to make. People want to see what they read, at very least thematically, visuals to an extent can be expressed with liberty. Thats why the movie is being made in the first place so people can see the book they read on the big screen, not to see some random story by some filmmaker who is, to quote Jodorowsky, "raping" the author the people love. To me, it seems like filmmakers are just piggybacking off of the author's recognition and success, and exploiting it to make their own film with the potential to taint the broader public's perception about the author, their book and its themes. This seems to happen a lot with book movies though there are notable exceptions, so its a mixed bag.
Yeah, it could have been another Zardoz. Just because something is weird, has some interesting visuals and makes no sense doesn't mean it's good.
I mean I wish it was so that Giger’s designs could’ve been realized. Even the furniture he made for it looked cool. Love David Lynch but he was a dick when he turned down Giger for “stealing his ideas”.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Almost like the failed movie became the real-world version of the transformed Arrakis which went through the universe changing all the other planets as well. Very meta.
I love that Jodorowsky's Dune exists in our imaginations as an alternate timeline/could-have-been. From a purely visual/design standpoint it would have been wild to see this movie, but yeah it wouldn't have been FH's Dune. But I'm still glad all that design work got done? And all the movies that indirectly benefited from that work, especially Alien!
So according to Jodo, the key is to; 1 - don’t know it, 2 - don’t respect it, 3 - ravage it, then hopefully afterwards you have something successful and those that don’t understand that, don’t understand art relationships, love or sex?
No thanks.
So it would have been a moderately successful film that would have prevented other (much better....) films from being made. And I don't know... stunted the growth of humanity?
The more I learn about this supposed adaptation of Dune, the more I think people are gaslighting themselves into thinking this is actually a good idea
@@johnernest5843 Honestly, it sounds as if he was on an acid trip with his discarded reimagining of Dune.
Jodorowsky's Dune should still be made but as an animated series of movies.
possibly an anime or maybe something like a scanner darkly
@@scottmantooth8785 if yuou are talking abnout the version with Reeves, I'd have to disagree.
Today and maybe for the next 50 years, the only way Jodo's Dune ever to be made is animated.
Not sure it could actually be made anymore, the cultural climate and many other things have shifted greatly from that place in history. Something that could have been very impactful at that time would probalby not resonate in the intended way with contemporary audiences.
One of the reasons I really look forward to the new Dune mvie, Villeneuve is a child of contemporary culture, for good and bad. What he creates will hopefully speak to our modern tastes, also for good and bad.
AEon flux is a good example of what could be made of Jodo's plans.
Yeah, that doesn’t sound like Dune. It does sound like there were some really good drugs in that writers room tho.
Jodorowsky even says in this documentary that his hope was to give viewers an experience of LSD without having to actually take the drug.
LSD is great tbh. I never got into writing until it.
The spice did flow
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
I heard Frank Herbert himself talk about this movie as 11 hours plus and Paul has an incestuous relationship with his mother. It seemed a movie that could never be made. From the author's tone, he was bothered by it.
Thanks, I had no idea Jodsky wanted to deviate so much from the novel. I'm glad this movie wasn't made either, because if it where there would've been no Lynch movie, which I enjoying watching and got me interested in DUNE in the first place.
A movie about a messiah who gives his life to inspire an entire galaxy is never made but still inspires generations of filmmakers?
Man, talk about meta.
Jesus...
I felt like Jodorowsky's Dune should be adapted into an animated series for HBO. Still though, there was so much emphasis and terrific aspects that can be explored today.
I feel like that's the only real way to adapt Dune tbh
That be all that would be needed. Anime . Take the Spawn series
Let's get Warner brothers animation on this with gennedy tarvoski as the man in charge
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He used alot of it for his books the Incal and metabarons.
Jodorowsky lost the plot and that’s why it was never made. It could never be Dune.
Looking at the harshly-colored production designs, this movie would have looked like that Jane Fonda movie Barbarella.
And thats a bad thing? I guess you didnt like the 5th Element?
I agree. A bit too cheesy.
I think Jodo's version looked to be sensational. You only have to look at Flash Gordon to see that this kind of visual style can be incredibly striking and beautiful when handled properly.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they movies within the genre
I can only imagine Giger's aesthetic if this movie was ever made. I did saw a few concepts. One can only hope that the new Dune will be better than the first adaptation.
For some reason I read that as 'ginger' aesthetics. Too much spice.
@@enclave2k1 Hard to resist the spice... IT MUST FLOW!!!
Many of his designs for Dune were used in other movies.
Giger´s Harkonnens would be awesome...giedi would be like Hell
Even if it ends up being a flop, which I don't think will happen, imo it alwway will be so much better than the Lynch's adaptation.
I’m fine with him not having it, since he would end up making that acid trip known as the Jodoverse
It sounds like you've watched his latest film, _The Dance of Reality._
His latest film is actually Endless Poetry, which is a sequel to Dance Of Reality.
Also, Jodo's Dune would be following the same structure of his previous movies at that point. Fando And Lis: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. El Topo: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. The Holy Mountain: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. Jodo's Dune: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment.
@@HugoRBMarques Which means it'll be the very next one I watch. Thx!
@@HugoRBMarques It's interesting that he talks about raping Frank Herbert when in an interview awhile back, he claimed that the rape scene in El Topo was real.. then later backtracked, saying that the claim was "surrealist publicity". He certainly has an... interesting... way of getting things across.
I've been reading Jodorowsky's Metabarons (for the second time), and was amazed of how much Dune inspiration he took, there's even a sisterhood of powerful witches, with one of them betraying the sisterhood for love
Jodorowsky's Dune would have been like Peter Griffin's version of The King & I.
Totally. The Incal is cool (the art, in particular), but the characters are so two dimensional, and the story is pretty meandering. I don't think he could have done Dune much justice... So it's good that he was rejected and able to make the Incal, as it doesn't need to be held up against a preexisting work
This a bit late to the party, but considering Jodorowsky's script, his other movies, and the laid out budget. I have an image of Jodorwsky walking out somewhere in the movie and saying that they ran out of money, so he and Orson Wells will finish the rest of the movies with sock puppets. Then Orson does magic in the background while Jodorowsky acts the movie out with sock puppets.
I agree. His ending would have totally been contrary to the spirit of the book.
Just awful.
Contrary to the tone and plot, sure. But contrary to the spirit? Jodorowsky's ending would have concluded that Paul as an individual leader can't be the Messiah, that mankind collectivly must be it's own Messiah. This is perfectly in line with the point Herbert was trying to make and relativly close in purpose to the democracy ending he had planned for Dune7.
So? Because of that it shouldn’t have been made? Why do you even need to have a movie exactly like the book? Juts read the book and be done with it! If you’re not making a unique film, why make it? This is pure fanboyisim.
@@pablovi77 I get the appeal of seeing your favorite book on the screen but the simple fact is it's never going to be the same. Film and literature are two vastly different artforms with vastly different strengths and weaknesses. Some come close but even the closest adaption which wants to also be a great film will deviate in order to be cinematic.
It's pointless to ask for a perfect adaptation because then the film just becomes derivative of it's source material, the director has to put their artistic spin on it whether that's a massive change or not as long as it stays true to the core of the book it's fine. If the studio wanted a recreation of the book then they only have themselves to blame for hiring someone who has such an obvious artistic vision as Jodorowsky.
Daniel Young I don’t, but that’s the thing, it’s going to be something different and a different experience, two completely different art forms as you say.
"I was a raping... eh with love" ummmm okay
You have no idea. I've read some of his work, and freudian/bataillean imagery is everywhere. The idea that sex is defiling and sacred at the same time is a constant.
svankensen yeah the metabarons is practically looking into the mind of a young drugged up Jodo
After that analogy,... F@k dis anus hole!!!!!
J V ELL yeah I didn’t exactly know his exact age for some of his work
@@qliphalpuzzle5453 It is always pretty drugged, so I wouldnt worry about the confusion ;)
When I watched the documentary a few years ago I kind of said a similar thing about the visuals; It's easy to pump stuff like this up in our imagination and visualize epic sequences, but this was the pre-Star Wars, static blue screen / matte painting era of optical special effects, and I suspect it would have looked a lot more lame than we've convinced ourselves it would have. I like Denis Villeneuve a lot and recognize he has a great eye for sci fi, so I have high expectations that his will be the "definitive" Dune movie.
visually Dennis version is the most boring
I think people overestimate his “contribution” to the movie scene.
I have a feeling it would have flopped because it was an Incoherent ecstasy fest, I mean hey David Lynch’s dune basically is the book compared to this and THAT gives people so many wrong views of dune.
Dude all of Jodorowsky's films flopped... he doesn't do any of this for the money but for his own expression. The reason it never got made is because he flops so much.
I almost feel like his version would look something like Pink Floyd's The Wall movie. Fun at times, but too surreal for it's own good.
It would have been unwatchable. If I picked it up AS Dune, instead of it being named something else entirely, I’d have been furious. The most he could possibly label it as would be “inspired by”.
Pink Floyd soundtrack. . . 'nuff said.
What?! But... it was supposed to be Magma! They even used one of the concept arts for an album cover after the project went the way of the dodo.
@@mugwump7049 Pink Floyd was supposed to make the soundtrack for house Atreides and Magma was in charge of house Harkonnen.
@@TheHarkonnenScum Oh, thanks for the clarification. I never knew Pink Floyd were involved in it too. It would have been even more awesome! But what about the other houses and factions?
Why Jodorowsky he's obsess by castration!
This idea it's everywhere!
Honestly I would have loved to see the jodorowsky version just to see how bizarre and insane his version could’ve been. But I agree it wouldn’t have been dune per se, in the same way Lynch’s dune isn’t really dune but is weird and wonderful as it’s own piece of art. I’m a HUGE dune fan but I love seeing others interpretations. After seeing holy mountain I could only imagine what he would’ve done with it. However I agree with you in that it’s probably better it wasn’t made for many reasons and the inspirational artists involved did go on to create sci-fi as we know it nowadays.
I love the title! I'm too am glad it was never made. He's so full of himself, and his version.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
And yet, Christopher Nolan is a hero to many. Sad.
I would have really liked to see Jodorowsky's Dune, it wouldn't have been the real Dune, but we never have, and probably never will have the real Dune on film. Jodorowsky had some really interesting ideas, and has done great work elsewhere. I totally understand the "I'm Glad Jodorowsky's Dune Never Got Made
" position though.
@ShogunBean So they are the same film, but one stuck to the source material and the other didn't? Make your mind up LOL
I'll admit that you can't really tell the whole story of Dune without eventually getting around to a God Emperor adaptation, and that's something that we might never see.
But Dune? Just plain ol' Dune? It's got a fairly common story structure and relatable characters. You can make a decent Dune movie with a good director and a good cast and a respectable budget, and the Denis Villeneuve adaptation has all that. We'd have seen a good Dune movie decades ago if Jodorowski and Lynch weren't both ridiculous egomaniac auteur weirdos (and I say that as a fan of both of them).
It would have been beautiful if anything else!
Just call it something different to not piss off the whining fanons, like _Dune, Where's My Gom Jabbar?_ or _The Big Jodorowsky_
how can you say we will never have the real dune on film? Denis Villeneuve is making it right now.
I always think that you’re Mos Def at first glance when I see you in a thumbnail
Okay, so it wasn't just me!
@4:50 there is a south park episode where lucas and spielberg rape indiana jones. You are right i also don’t think it would have been a good idea
Why is this controversial? That guy is obviously nuts, I thought the same thing when I saw the doc
same here. I thought the David Lynch version was bad until I saw this.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
if he wanted to make a sci fi acid trip about space jesus he should have come up with his own story. this thing had nothing to do with Dune.
The film really should've been animated, it is a perfect candidate for the medium
I agree . Near the end of the video.. i was thinking.. its the only way.
This is always the issue with lost/scrapped media. Having ideas is one thing, and as cool and amazing as the ideas, the final product likely would've been lacking as the ideas would need to be refined to be created
I would like to see a crazy anime series adaptation of this
Read Five Star Stories by Mamoru Nagano. That's the Dune of Japan.
@@barrybend7189 If you have to read a book then by definition it's not anime.
@@DaRunningMan there was an OVA of its first couple chapters in the 90's.
Nausicäa and the valley of the wind. It was inspired by Giraud's aesthetics!
Hell to the yeah
Paul is not a messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Sorry I coudln't help myself XD XD
I'm glad it never got made too. After watching that documentary, that movie would have been a hot mess.
I really hope it did, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Hey man I just want you to know that I really enjoy your videos and I appreciate your channel very much. Your content is always excellent. Thoughtful and informative. I am about as big a dune fan as exists on planet earth, so it’s good to know that there’s other people out there in the world who have thought about these books for many years in many ways. Thank you again!
New channel name: "Ideas of Quinn and Fire" :) Thanks for another great vid. Can't wait for the new graphic novel too!
If Jodorowsky's Dune was made, it would've been a gigantic mess. Maybe it could work today as an adult cartoon on HBO or Netflix or something. But not back then and not as a single film.
Whenever anybody talks about this movie I feel like Mugatu taking crazy pills. There literally would’ve been a scene in this movie where hundreds of extras playing harkonnen soldiers would defecate on the floor of the Arakeen palace. The entire film would been told through the framing device of alien dogs from the future after humanity is extinct watching a film about human history and wondering “when their masters were gonna come home.” Yueh’s wife would’ve been 14. Feyd would’ve dressed like a dominatrix. The emperor would’ve sat on a a golden toilet made up of two dolphin sculptures, one to receive urine and the other to receive feces with a scene showing the emperor using it. And yet everyone talks about how this would’ve been the greatest film of all time. The documentary glosses over the details, only telling the positive side of the story without addressing the actual problems such a picture would’ve made for the studio as well as the horrible, horrible ideas that would’ve made it into the film. They act like the only reason it wasn’t made was because “Hollywood was too scared of the profound religious impact this movie would’ve had on the public, they were just afraid of Jodorowsky’s incredible vision because their minds couldn’t understand it” or some dumb shit like that. As if that was the reason this wasn’t made, when if you do even a shred of research the real reason becomes pretty apparent.
4:40 Why tf did he use that as an example?
The Holy Mountain is still the nuttiest movies I've ever seen
I love quoting Axon, i want to dress up as him every halloween
Actually, I firmly believe that "The Color of Pomegranates" is a bit weirder but it just might be fact that I've seen that film good 10-15 years before "The Holy Mountain" and, personally, I'm under impression that "The Color of Pomegranates" influenced strange and exotic compositions and general esoteric vibe in "The Holy Mountain". ;)
Vladimir Savić interesting, never heard of it
Vladimir Savić does it have “a sanctuary of 1000 testicals?”
It's actually a great deal more watchable than "El Topo" (at least the remastered version made available through the DVD release is, anyway). The "psychedelic shotguns" sequence still manages to elicit a wicked grin from me every time I watch it. :D
Once I started to watch one of Jodorowsky’s films, but it was too crazy.
Crazy is not even a word to describe his movies. Either we had to take something to really enjoy those movies.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat pretentious film nerds eat that garbage like pate', though.
Personally I love them.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat why?
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat what degeneracy? Yeah his films have nudity and sexual themes but they aren't exploitative or pornographic. It's done to both genders either for thematic or visual reasons and sexuality is one of the many things he points out is a meaningless distraction in his movies especially the Holy Mountain.
Honestly man if it's not for you that's fine but waving away his entire work as "degeneracy" seems super closed minded. It's no different than people who brush away Sci-fi like Dune as "dumb kids shit".
"grape with love" IS CRAZY WTF
When you make any adaptation it will be different. It is essentially re-writing a story completely. The majority of the time by a completely different author. Even if Herbert had written Dune a second time it would have differed, to add a second creative mind such as Jodorowsky will take it in a different direction. That is no bad thing.
I've been waiting forever for you to talk about this docu
I was always grateful that Jodorowsky's version never came to pass. The talent and imagination was there but it was not true to Herbert's vision.
His vision was tasteless, his aesthetic incoherent, and his story irredeemably irreverent. Frank Herbert was a nice guy though, he probably would have given Jodorowsky a pass.
Vision, schmision!
You can make great movies while completely changin the vision in the source material. Starship troppers is a prime example.
I'm glad too, because the Metabaron's saga is one of the best thing i ever read.
That metaphor is f'd up. I'm glad his Dune was never made.
Hard same Quinn. Jodorowsky is a mad genius, but it wouldn't have captured what I love about the books.
Hey least we have Metabarons, that comic is somehow bigger than Warhammer and it's awesome
Dont quite understand what you mean by "bigger than Warhammer", by any stretch of the imagination? I mean comparing the lore of the two is not even close to a fair contest for Metabarons. Dont think they stack up in populairty either, so genuinely curios as to what you mean? That being said it is one of my alltime favorite comics, and I would love to see it get an animated series, a truly amamzing universe, and the evolution of the Metabarons across the generations is simply awesome!
@@AreEia as in it has more than one Galaxy
@@sethleoric2598 Aha. Yeah thats true :)
@@AreEia yes
The movie that never got made and still changed the world of science fiction forever. Quite the irony.
As a fan of Moebius& Jodorowsky’s Dune documentary. The heavy occultism is undeniable to me& I struggle to justify keeping my inspired art collection yet feel inspired to do my own thing with their level of dedication.
Having seen and loved several of Jodorowky's movies and this documentary it wouldn't have had any semblance of Frank Herbert's book that I love. And yet.... I would have liked to see it. Jodorowsky's style is so insanely out there, it would have been spectacular at least.
I couldn't agree more...Dune is one of those stories where you have to largely stick to the major plot points.
Films are almost never better then book but Jodorowski would make amazing job. His films are not for everyone and average people don't watch it. His Dune wouldn't be commercial successful but it would be greatest sci fi movie ever.
This movie would've been a visionary masterpiece. Source material be damned, this was an important movie that should've been made. I honestly don't see a problem that it takes great liberties, when the inspiration and vision behind it was so pure. Jodorowsky wanted to make a visual masterpiece, it wasn't like now when some businessmen take a franchise they don't understand and make a shitty movie out of it. No, this guy was a real artist and there aren't many of those around... The fact that this movie never got made is a disgrace to cinema and our culture.
Amen, hail jodorowsky
but as he said, with the special effects they had back then it could have have looked aweful for all we know. I've never seen something that hasn't been made so overrated.
If you’re going to tell your own damn story, tell your own damn story.
He could have made what he wanted. He didn’t need to call it Dune.
Don’t say you’re going to make an adaption of something, then create something that is the total opposite of the source material.
If you wanna be original, don’t stand on someone else’s shoulders. Do your own freaking work.
I'm a fan of Jorodowsky, so I would have loved to have seen it, in a way. Even if it delved so far away from the source material.
Same here. I'm a stickler for adaptations sticking exactly to the source material but my love of Jodo over takes that lol.
Tried watching "The Holy Mountain". I kept thinking "this man throws bollocks and nonsense on the screen and people eat it up?"
@@tophers3756 I guess The Holy Mountain isn't for everyone. I like it because it's more like expressionist filmmaking, and it's Jorodowsky at his purest. If you haven't seen El Topo, it's definitely a tighter movie with just enough of his style to stand out.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said Batman & Robin is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
I'm glad Jodorowsky's Dune never got made too. Because we ended up with " The Metabarons " one of the best Sci-fi universes ever conceived, it's worth checking out for the art alone. The Sci-Fi Channels Dune mini series' (Dune & Children of Dune ) are why I'm here...the 1984 Dune confused and creeped me out as a kid one too many times.
There are still a lot of unexplored potentials in French comics waiting to be made into the most astounding sci fi movie of the future ... aside from Blade Runner (which borrowed the looks of The Incal comics), as you mentioned there is The Metabarons ... there's also the weird and crazy worlds of Druillet's Lone Sloane and Moebiu's Edena/Arzak ... hopefully the right director will make these movies in the future ...
Lots of good french sci-fi out there. Just don't let Luc Besson fuck up another Valerian....
@@thelemonddropskid5445 I love Valerian & Laureline, when I first heard about the movie, but it wasn't released I found French-Japanese anime Time Jam: Valerian & Laureline and fell in love with the universe of Pierre Christin and Jean-Claude Mézières. I enjoyed the crazy fun of Fith Element, but Luc Besson...or the studios did not do justice to Valerian or to Laureline
@@spacedinosaur8733 My guess is that the financiers forced Luc to cast bankable young stars. Because I like the movie, but the actors for the main characters feel way too young and immature.
@@YouHaventSeenMeRight It has several scenes straight out the comic, and was visually very stunning, but as you say, the leads felt young/immature & I didn't get any feeling of chemistry between Valerian & Laureline. I really felt like it hurt the American audience who probably has never read the comic not to introduce the history of Laureline and her relationship to Valerian in any real context (shes a sergeant & he's a lieutenant?) instead of the fact that she was a performer in ancient France that he saved from execution by bringing her forward in time (he was a cause for her to be executed as well...but that is just water under the bridge). While the Big Market scenes were fun, it didn't feel like a real introduction to who they are.
I think most people (myself included), really like the idea of Jodorowsky’s DUNE, more than they would ever have liked an actual film made of Jodorowsky’s DUNE. Based on the information and artwork available to see, it’s easy to look back on it and think it would have been great, but you might not know that it had a script, “as thick as a Los Angeles phone directory,” according to Frank Herbert, and it would have made a several hour long film. Add to that, the fact that no studio is going to hand over enough money to Jodorowsky to make it, without some conditions placed on it. The only filmmaker who seemed to be free to get almost unlimited studio backing, without scrupulous oversight, was Stanley Kubrick. Not sure why he was able to demand and get almost anything he wanted, and not have to endure much studio oversight. Other than James Cameron, very few filmmakers get handed a “blank check,” and Jodorowsky certainly wasn’t going to be given one. Frankly, I’m still amazed he was able to spend $2 million on pre-production before he was shut down. In the battle between art and commerce, historically, art has always been the loser.
It should be made into Netflix anime series
So well put! Thank you, Quinn! 🙏🏼❤️🤝🏼
The miniseries was amazing I remember watching it on Scifi when. It first came out. Daniella Amavia is stunningly beautiful.
Yeah it still is amazing even! :) Just wish they had a little bit higher budget and it would have been all we would ever need, now there is always this worry of "will there ever be a high quality dune movie/series?"
What Denis did is nearly perfect. It is very close, so far, to what I saw in my mind when read the books in my youth. I'm glad it is a reality.
I love Metabarons, but i'm glad too.
this documentary is one of the most inspirational ones ever made, highly recommended
Great video man! I'm subbing. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books, yes even the newer ones by Brian and Kevin. I love the scyfi series with Alec and Barbara, not a fan of the Lynch version. While I've heard of the documentary you're talking about I've never seen it but from what you describe I completely agree with your assessment. Can't wait for Children of Dune review.
I'm glad it never got made too. It would have been utterly insane.
I really hope it did, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they movies within the genre
AGREE!!! 100% Jodorowski was going to basically create a surreal painting in movie form.
I agree judorovsky’s dune seemed more like a vanity project that would be a great spectacle but likely at the expense of the story.
Depends on the definition of "the story"
At the expense of Herbert's story sure. But Jodorovsky's TRIP does not look like an all spectacle not story type of deal. Devisive but very impactful story included.
Trash-tier adaptation, potentially a very influential cult classic original work inspired by Dune.
Jodorowsky's one of my favourite filmmakers, so I can't help but be disappointed it never got made even though it probably would've been a hot mess.
hot mess indeed