The Explosive Arsenal: Grenades in the World of Navy SEALs
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Retired Navy SEALs "Coch" and Dorr talk about grenades.
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"My kids had the best pencil boxes." You're a legend, Coch.
In basic, when my turn came to chuck a grenade, I got two instructors next to me. Everyone else had one. I asked later why two, and the response was, "Your brother came through basic a few months ago, and fu#ked up and dropped the grenade. We didn't know if it ran in your family."
As a kid raised on movies like Commando, and, Rambo, the first time I saw a live grenade go off, in training, it was such a let down.
A Master Chief told me that when he was a Navy Version of Drill Instructor. When the recruits first show up they have the red amnesty box that you could drop in any contraband into with no questions asked. Apparently one of the recruits puts a live grenade in the box. The Chief was asking what the hell do you have a grenade for? The recruit said he lived in a bad neighborhood. The replied, "but why do you have grenade?" That must have been a fun reception night.
I mean he answered the question
Make conceal carry nades mainstream lol
That sounds like a question though
Former isis guy that’d just retired….
I snickered at that😂😂
Yeah what was that
And to think, the dude now won't have to worry about a negative return on his 401K
I bust out laughing when i heard that.
Yeah, I laughed at that too 🤣🤣🤣
I have several WWI recovered hand grenades. The US Pineapple Grenade is based on the French WWI grenade. Then we went to the lemon shape grenade that rings stacked on top of each other. They also had a lemon shape illumination grenade that had a seam in the middle that would break in half and burn like a flair. At Boot Camp we had to identify the different grenades by feel. Good Times.
Dorr-Coch. You guys must be my favorite dynamic duo on TacHyve 😅
I'm a old school jar head.Love your stories and acvice. Brings back memories. Most of all the stupid shit we did and I still do. Semper Fi.
First grenade I ever tossed in the Corps was an M67 frag. Every Marine does it in boot camp. It's the only grenade we toss in boot camp.
Regarding the 5-7 second fuse, this is absolutely correct. It is 5 to 7 seconds, give or take 6.
We do not throw live ones in boot anymore. Only going to MCT/SOI as of 2012
During Desert Storm we were clearing bunkers right outside of the airport and found crates of Soviet training grenades. We tried to get them back, at least the bodies and were shut down. They were pretty cool, black bodies with Soviet writing and training fuses. First and last time I ever saw them.
There are people that study the best way to produce fragmentation. This is really important for air defense missiles. The current shape are like small rectangle shapes. In a class I took when I worked at Raytheon they showed us several different configurations and talked about the different explosives they used. That was a fun class!!!
Great vid! Any chance of a vid on 40mm rounds and other propelled munitions?
I had one time in my entire career where I used a grenade. Had a group of 6 guys and it hit right at their feet. I was already moving when it went off so I did not see the effect. No one pursued me though. It actually looked like that cardboard offensive grenade you showed. In Beiruit, you used what you found most of the time. I did go fishing with a grenade though once, but I do not count that.
Brilliant video you two, really enjoyed hearing about your real world experiences with grenades - nice one.
Such awesome stories and thank you for the lessons and warnings. Great to have people like you two share your wisdom. God Bless and take care!
I remember back during team live fire, my TL popped a yellow smoke in my face, 😂 i had a small burn on my cheek but i stayed in the fight. Always wear your eyepro
I've only thrown 1 live grenade in my life, quite the experience for sure. Thanks too for helping me choose CCW Safe for my carry protection.
“You’ve got about 5… ish, seconds. Don’t hold it past 3.”😂
That was fun to watch. Thanks.
In 1997 while in Brazzaville, Congo... MGySgt Tommy Ramos VMGR-252 C-130 Flight Engineer, Squadron Maint Chief, SNCOIC of our 2 plane Detachment to the 26th MEU, AND self proclaimed "Sr Enlisted Marine on the Continent" (he had 32 yrs in by then) told us young Jarheads about throwing grenades out the back of a
C-130 in Vietnam. They discovered that if you were above 500 ft the grenade would go off before hitting the ground... He and some friends had their Mothers send them cases of Mason Jars. Apparently you can put a Grenade in a Mason jar and pull the pin. The jar keeps the spoon in place. You then throw the Mason jar down on the V/C or NVA. The glass jar shatters/breaks and the grenade goes off! BOOM. We loved story time with Master Gunz!
Dorr had me belly laughing with the TBomb story 😂
'The Guys' once elected me to play red force and threw in a new 'flash/bang' device that said '9-banger' on the side. Door went open, device flew in and went 'bang.' Then the team stepped in. About a second later everyone was woken up by 9 additional explosions and that day we learned what a 9 banger was.
My hearing loss is obviously not service related...
Dorr is hilarious in this episode
These guys are like the cool older brothers I never had
I loved it when you said "we got it from Isis guys who had just retired"
First grenade I threw was a frag, when I threw them later in My career the Instructor/safety guy was going nuts because I was leaning forward just enough to below the level of the throwing pit .I had done 3 years as an 81mm mortar man, by then, and a frag didn't seem that loud or dangerous by then. In Afghan We had what You called the t-bomb, We went the Monty python route and called them the holy hand grenade. " bring up the holy hand grenade " sounds good over all the radios.
Keep the videos coming, they are excellent and bring back a lot of memories
I'm impressed y'all can still hear.
Great video! Dorr’s stories are a “blast”!
Thanks Coch and Dorr! :) :us
This has quickly become my favorite channel on CZcams. HAHA. Grenade and Arty Sims are FUN!
The Glitter at Hobby Lobby was from Creative Beginnings, my former company. And yes it was internally called stripper glitter.😊
Glad to know it served you well, i can tell many good prank stories with this stuff.
Thank you for your service
The Glitter King.
Aka
CamoPirate
This was a blast (bad pun) to watch! Informative, and always funny with Coch and Dorr.
I’m not sure if your service included the use/deployment of these, but +1 vote for a Tactical Hive video on signal flares/devices including the M127A1 and A/P25S-5a
Always fun watching your vids, guys, and I learn quite a lot.
A small correction, though. The pineapple frag grenade was invented by the French in World War 1.
French and British versions both invented 1915.
They said it was designed after the french ww1 grenade.✌️🤝
Thank you very much for making these videos for us. Very interesting. Ever think of doing podcasts?
The NPA Sparrow units that operated back in the late 80s also were a fan of the dutch mini grenades. One of the back up men would carry one or two of these for what the guys mentioned earlier, to cause a low morale effect to whoever was chasing them.
"They had just retired." Gold.
You two are a hoot. Great videos.
V-40 micro grenade. They are awesome.
I was -about to abort! Then you pulled the best for last!! WP and incendiery, and the Grail, Nasty Thermo-B. the Thermobaric is awesome !
I have never used a frag grenade in combat ever. My first time was the October Coup Attempt in Panama of 1989. My Airborne Battalion issued everything to us to include grenades. Same thing on the real combat operation of the December 1989 to January 1990. We had them but never got the chance to use them. Same thing in Iraq for combat operations, just never got to use the flashbangs or frag grenades. The only time I got to blow up grenades by the cases was pre-deployment training in the National Guard. One weekend we had a company of troops to get familiarization of grenades. Each soldier had 5 grenades to throw and I was the instructor. The training went on from Saturday morning till Sunday afternoon. After training all my soldiers to include guys from other units got big smiles on their faces after taking lots of pictures and having fun. They paid very close attention to me when it came to business. I always told them from the scene of the old movie Uncommon Valor from the 80s that "Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend when you pull the pin.". That weekend was fun as I also showed these young soldiers how to set up a Claymore Mine and fire it in less than a minute, not a 30 minute class from Basic or Infantry School from Ft. Benning. Boom Boom Instruction Time is always fun provided that NCOs know what the fuck they are doing. Smoke grenades was dime a dozen used them during training and once during Just Cause for the whole platoon to run across the street and get into a street for a flanking position.
Some lawyer getting a call at 2 am after I defend my apartment with a frag grenade.
(My roommate came home drunk)
When we were getting ready to go into Somalia we were issued grenades. Some of our guys didn't get theirs. Some sailor took a whole box and had it in his locker. I wonder how long it took him to get out of Leavenworth.
ALS used to be based out of my hometown in Arkansas. They made a lot of less lethal stuff. Also crowd dispersion and other defensive devices. Great video as always
What town? I live in Arkansas.
Man good one full of one liners.
Fun stuff.
You guys just reminded of the pit falls of grenades in heavy jungles if they hit vegetation it could bounce back, being that you had to be quite, there was no warning. But if someone whispered shit you made sure you got low. The only noise from the throw was the tink of the handles.
Holy shit! This is awesome!
Truck in front of me got hit by a RKG-3 Russian anti armor grenade ( without the parachute) . It did a number on the armor . It was tossed by a 8 year old kid in Hit . Fun times
FYI... Can't use a smoke fuse as a booby trap for another frag, because the smoke fuse doesn't have a detonator on the end of to initiate the high explosive.
The igniter in the smoke just produces flame to ignite the smoke component.
What happens when a chemical ignition around a high explosive ? Some high temp, pressure then ignition / explosion. Hmmm, maybe. 🤔😉✌️🤝🫡
Remember the guy that clacked off a claymore on a stick above him lol
I drove the sgt's crazy in boot camp with the m67. We had the trainers before they let us toss live ones, just had the pop caps. Supposed to chuck it over a short fence to demonstrate the ability to get it out and over. I followed their instructions, gripped it full palm, non throwing arm up, and toss overhand. I bounced it over the wall 3-4x. Sgt got all up my ass 'jfc, didn't you ever play baseball as a kid?!' I said yea. He says so throw it like a baseball! I hauled off and chucked it and he goes wtf was that? I said what? I threw baseballs sidearm. lmfao. Trying to toss them in the back of a truck they'd bounce out more times than not. I just struggled, barely qualified with a marksman badge on grenade.
Hey...as a Kiwi, do you have any stories about serving with other nations ( New Zealand SAS for instance) or anything others do like the aussie sop you mentioned here, or anything you learnt, picked up, or were envious of of other nations? French mre food?
Did yall ever play with the oc with rubber ball riot control ones?
What about escape an evasion ordnance,the little land mine u drop as ur trying to escape,with like 5 ,6 trip wires ,
PDMs persuit deterrence munitions. Hard to find much info online but they’re super cool. Less powerful than most would expect.
I remember throwing one of those 6 flashbangs ..outside Fob Nowzad in Afghan ... Throwing that fucker out the turret and ducking ...I don't remember if it was a British flash bang or ours I got it from a truck that was ied hit we used to ran sack them for At4s and grenades during recoverys
When I went through basic training at Ft Benning, GA the first live grenade I threw was a m87. I was in basic when Operation Desert Shield became Desert Storm. I saw Shock and Awe while waiting to be taken back from KP duty back to the field. Drill Sgts weren't in any hurry to go back to the field and were hooting and hollering in the office and yelled"you mother fu
Those are very easy to rearm
Walnut Creek PD EOD was telling me that people in the US were doing what your recently retired ISIS operators were doing. Crazy.
Dutch V40 (Belgium mini)
I'm sure the founding fathers wanted us all to have CCW insurance. Just like they wanted us to have pet insurance.
we were issued grenades, took them away when someone decided to blow up the shitter!
Belgian mini waffle grenade with pineapples in a cone with strawberry jam
Did Coch ever use the M16A2?
Drop the grenade, throw the pin.
Coch seems to like this too much.. not! 🤣
For some odd reason, my wife didn't laugh with me at Dorr's story at 29:10. I don't understand it, good times........
🐉
another CZcamsr told a story about Marines using frags that were stuck inside of a rubber duck in Afghanistan. they called them quackbangs. lol Dorr killed me with the pronoun at the end. my iced tea shot out of my nose literally. lmao
Imagine a t bomb going off on a dive
When I went through MCT, they had us throw a live grenade from a grenade pit. They had some BS little "ditty" or BS saying. Alls I could really remember what "twist, pull, pin".... My instructor who was with me goes, lemme as ya a question, to get your mind thinkin.... I'm lookin at and I'm like ok, Sgt.....😳.... He goes if you could what musical group, band or celebrity would you frag....? I just looked at him for a second 😳 and I go.... I dunno Sgt.... 😳. I just totally drew a blank. He's goes what music or band don't ya like....? I go, I dunno, I don't listen to anything that I don't like.... 🤔. He goes huh.... That's a good answer. That makes sense. What do ya listen too....? I listen to country. He goes He'll Yeah, Carrie Underwood's my girl!!!! I go he'll yeah!!!!. Then it was my turn to throw the grenade and he goes, man, don't even worry about the stupid "ditty" just grip it and rip it. Just toss it. I go, oh, thank God, I didn't remember it. He started laughin and said just throw that mother ...... I pulled the pin and threw it as hard as I could and it landed towards the back of the grenade range. Apparently only one other guy tossed it further than me. The other guy tossed it to the back of the range to the tree line.
I threw a grenade once into Lake Thar Thar and these weird looking fish floated up to the surface.
Da fuck dorr reckons..that's actually 100%..we followed em straight in.. takes a minute in training....
Frag grenades were not a WW2 innovation. They were used en masse in WW1 and were used centuries before that.
V40, a dutch grenade… Pretty sure that’s your “belgian mini”
Favorites : WP , Thermite .
Belgian crowd control😁
And hopefully no bad guys are watching these >_>
'Merica❤🇺🇸🦅☦
I use to think flash bangs were good but we learned they should not be used for crowd control. We saw the police turn several peaceful protest into a violent riot. They won’t just go home anymore, if they have you outnumbered. So the new SOP is. Be very carful about throwing flash bangs because you will provoke a relatively calm crowd. -- humans are animals so just like a dog or chimp. You teach people how to treat you! Meaning when the cops threw the flash bangs it caused a adrenaline dump so. The crowd reverted back to biological primal hardwiring and completely overran the police. - most people have never had a real adrenaline dump. So the first time they have it, you don’t wanna be perceived as a threat to them. They turn into monsters from hell!
Love how 90% of the training was unsupervised BS Beautiful the good old days.
Why did guys tape the spoon on the grenade tho?
Your taping the ring/pin to the top of the spoon. For Retention.
I was looking for your WW2 German potato masher.
So don’t make your own, you say?
We need to get rid of the NFA, I look forward to the day when guys are comparing their EDC grenades
Arguing between the M67 for stopping power, the golf balls for capacity and staying far away whatever the grenade equivelant of the Sig p320 will be.
@@neverneeded.2697 And of course the 1911 guys who never gave up pineapple grenades and refuse to even consider anything else
2 World Wars!
We should atleast be able to get training bangs, they used to be super common for airsoft I guess, but the best brands either got shut down from the ATF, Canadian export/production rules, or sanctions against the Russian owned company "TAG"... Apparently a couple types are still available at milsim events, but you used to be able to get a case of them for the $40 hazmat shipping fee... Supposedly other companies are working on it like Enola Gay (smoke grenade manufacturer) but them being in Canada has slowed down their time-line, and even those don't have the same DB level as older TAG flash powder pin/spoon grenades or the .22 blank reusable Canadian made flash bodies which are now gone... Supposedly TAG had been trying to move their company and production outside of Russia, but getting new import licenses for the quantities of flash powder they are sending in a pallet has apparently become even more strict and harder to get federally/in certain states... So here we are able to buy legal chinesium fireworks that will blow your hand off, but not a purposefully hand safe designed noise maker! 🤦♂️ Thanks government bureaucracy 👍
@Knight-SgtReyeswait a minute, you clearly dislike the NFA, but at the same time don’t want non veteran civilians from owning certain ordnance? Ffs, it says “shall not be infringed” not “shall be infringed because I think civilians are incapable of being mature citizens unless they have prior military service”. That’s some cognitive dissonance.
@Knight-SgtReyes Um, my military brother. We do what we do or have done, to protect their constitutional rights. Even one's who's opinion differ from ours. We / you swore an oath to the people and the constitution. ✌️🤝🫡
I like to know use of HK 416/417 and vehicles in navy seals. Can you do a video?
I'm jelly, you guys are talking about grenades and I can't even get a hold of good airsoft flashbangs because they're all sold out/bought up by the feds.
Just casually admitting to war crimes now hm?
Flashbang is a handgrade? So lame.
Shrapnel is defence , more just bang little shrap is offensive.
Best Phosporous . Shot or pineaple 1st. Then F .. maybe casoline in the mix
You lost me at they! But you guys are awesome so I will let one slide. Thanks for all the great videos.
Stay froggy
Reminiscing fondly about killing people is a little disturbing.
Not really. They’re passing on knowledge and they had good times during their service. “Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life” and all that. We need guys like this to keep us safe as a nation.