I DESTROY GARBAGE HITPIECE ARTICLE CALLING STAR WARS FANS SEXIST FOR DISLIKING REY - REAL TALK
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2023
- These patronizers need to understand that if a majority of the fandom dislikes a character, it's not because of anything other than the poor writing and (lack thereof) character development.
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It’s not sexism to hate poorly written female characters
Exactly. But apparently, they still don't get it.
however, it IS sexist when your only basis for such argument is "they're pandering to the female demographic." or "Disney's gone woke" which is an argument that I see constantly and any time I see the word WOKE in fcking film discourse, my soul DIES a little. I hate that that word exists because it makes film discussion not fun anymore. Like the days of actually TALKING about film are fcking GONE. It's all just mindless arguing now. OR even worse people will tell you "you're overthinking it." for analyzing a film. Honey no that's what MEDIA LITERACY IS and it's a very important skill to have at that.
Bingo!
Mary Sues
It’s not poorly written. Luke had the same power boost in Empire Strikes back. It wasn’t till after the fact that books and other stories filled in the blanks explaining how Luke achieved the boost. But before any of that existed Luke miraculously became Jedi Knight strong. So stop complaining. There are plot holes and plot armor all over Lucas canon.
MEDIA: "If you don't like Rey, you're sexist!"
ME: "... But I'm a woman."
MEDIA: "You have internalized misogynie!"
ME: "No, I just don't like Mary Sue characters."
MEDIA: "REY ISN'T A MARY SUE!!!"
ME: "Do you have any idea how many thousands of fanfictions I have read in my life? Pretty sure I know what a "Mary Sue" is... Pretty sure I knew what a "Mary Sue" was long before you did."
thank you, i'm a 24 year old male and i don't know much what women are thinking because i mostly have guy friends.
But i am happy that women can also see whats going on in this crummy industry
Rey hating female fan here!! She sucks and the fact that they so blatantly made Finn and Poe pretty much idiots made the entire situation nauseating
@@JordanWheeler1999intelligent people are intelligent regardless of gender :)
Disney and Hollywood media for the past 6 years: “If you dont like Rey, Rose, Reva, and Holdo then you’re a troll, bot, bigot, sexist, racist, homophobe, and any other -ist, -ism, and -phobe you can come up with. The force is female bitch”
@@JordanWheeler1999Yes YES. People are waking up. This is what I want to see while not throwing hate. I want people to be aware and recognize the agendas at play here. Maybe another topic for another time.
But anyway, spread the word: "We don't want propaganda. We want a story."
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“Hey media, we hate poorly written male characters too”
“…Impossible”
lmao
I See Through The Lies Of The Disney!
"It's BS I did not hit her. I did not... Oh hi Mark!" I rest my case
@@fosphor8920 TOMMY IS THE EXCEPTION
"We called out how poorly-written Luke was, going against the core of his previously established traits. We called out how underutilized and forgotten Finn was as a character. We called out how bizarre and sudden Palpatine's return as the overall villain was instead of Snoke who ended up being a glorified meat puppet. We called out how pointless Captain Phasma was, a FEMALE antagonist, who got hyped up but was ultimately irrelevant. But the female protagonist who can do everything gets called out and suddenly it's because of sexism and misogyny? As if we think Rey is the only problem with the movies just because she has a vagina? Suuuuuure."
"How dare you bring logic into this! Discrimination!"
Bad writing and no planning doesn’t make us sexist , if Disney actually planned and wrote a good female character we would be simping over her but they dropped the ball on the sequels.
@bryantmartinez9936 Exactly!😊 People are waking up. This is what I want to see while not throwing hate. I want people to be aware and recognize the agendas at play here. Maybe another topic for another time.
But anyway, spread the word: "We don't want propaganda. We want a story."
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@@tufflucal4037 exactly ! It’s tragic but it’s crazy how Lucas predicted this way long ago
@@BryantMartinez94 What did he predict?
yeah, it's not like she really needs to save the galaxy in real life - JUST . . get good writers, they should or could had even consulted with many of the expanded universe authors I mean WTFLOCKINS
No one believed me when I said it, but when Disney first bought Lucas Film, I told my friends, “Disney is going to ruin Star Wars.” I don’t have the words to express how much I wish I had been wrong about that.
Main characters in each trilogy:
EP1:
- Anakin as a slave is good at podracing, and therefore a good pilot.
- Luke is a villager who has been flying for years in ships and is therefore a good pilot,
- Rey who is a scrapper is able to mindcontrol a stormtrooper, beat kylo ren, sith apprentice in 1on1 sabercombat, AND in the force.
EP2:
- Anakin is a trained jedi knight and gets bitchslapped by dooku a sith apprentice because of his lack of skill and arrogance.
- Luke fails to finish WITH YODA his training and cant lift more than 2 rocks, gets bitchslapped by vader.
- Rey trains with a broken luke who refuses to train her properly, she goes on to beat a roomful of redrobes, and once again be toe to toe with kylo.
EP3:
- Anakin now a masterful jedi knight and member of the council beats dooku, but later gets bitchslapped by obiwan his master because he still has lessons to learn,
- Luke who has now pretty much finished his training is finally able to stand toe to toe with vader, sith apprentice, yet still wins because of his heart, not his power, also gets bitchslapped by the emperor,
- Rey who has trained a little more, under the supervision of leia who didnt finish her training, is now able to grab a ship and out of nowhere obliterate it with lightning which usually takes ages to learn from a sith master, not as instinct, but she can also defeat palpatine, something luke was not able to do whatsoever after YEARS of training and supervision from yoda.
All three characters had bloodlines with huge potential. Luke and Anakin with arguably more potential, yet rey faces no challenges pertaining to her skills in the force, but only challenges in her emotions.
Beautifully put!
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Using the term "bitchslapped" over & over was really goofy 😂
This comment is gold and should be pinned on top
@@webstersempire and yet true none the less
It’s telling how those who constantly accuse Star Wars’ fans as being “toxic” are often the one’s who are in fact the most toxic. Projection is a hell of a drug.
Stuff like this makes real sexists look a lot better than they actually are by lumping them in with people who are simply criticizing bad writing in movies
The part that kills me the most, aside from the fact that her skills essentially minimize the importance of any other characters (both prior to the sequels and in the sequels...they did my boy Finn dirty), is the fact that every action, decision, behavior, and emotion that Rey displays screams "Dark Side" in any other Star Wars media. She is impulsive, aggressive, somewhat fearful of both injury and loss, and gets angry quickly. She doesn't get the answers she wants from Luke and decides to start swinging lightsabers with him. Just take what the Jedi Council says of Anakin in The Phantom Menace, or what Yoda and Obi-wan say to Luke in the OT. Rey would be straight up glowing red by TRoS if the rules of the Star Wars universe and the Force actually applied to her.
If people have to ram down your throat how good a character is they’re probably not that good of a character
😂😂 perfectly said
Lol, this definitely applies to Annie as well.
@@lookingforwookiecopilotShe is not even worthy of being a Darth. Ren yes. Darth no
That's cap, that's literally what eveyone does with anakin/vader and for good reason because they are loved characters. When u love something u heavily defend it and try to spread it. These people love their ideology not rey so they will keep defending rey to push their ideology on people
@@cosmickeyboard9811 So much love for the whiny/gullible younglingslayer, but none for poor Rey? :(
Daisy Ridley has said she doesn’t agree/understand Ray but she’s a “sexist” so what does she know🤦♂️😂
No way they hit Daisy with that bs too.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm And this is obviously written by a bad AI algorithm.
@@ChosenOne-il4bmcope rey lover
@@ChosenOne-il4bm moronic AI, at least use chat GPT
Sorry for the length: it’s aggravating when people bring up that Luke was somehow a Mary Sue. He needed Han’s help to blow up the first death star and All he had to do with the force was nudge the torpedoes. That was a small step in his growth with the force. He didn’t all of a sudden know how to fly, know how to fight with a light saber, and know how to mind trick people with the force. In empire, he could barely get his light saber from the snow. He was then trained by Yoda, but still got his butt kicked by Vader. And then, in return of the Jedi, he still lost to his father and the emperor. He had to appeal to his father’s humanity. he didn’t just have special skills because “reasons” mentioned in the novelization.
TRUTH - Luke would of died in Star Wars had it not been for Han Solo. Then he trained for awhile with Yoda and STILL got his ass (and hand) handed to him. THEN THEN as a "master" he got captured by Ewoks... EWOKS... and though he got the best of Darth Vader (and I would argue that Vader was not trying to kill Luke at all), the Emperor STILL beat his ass and he needed Vader to save him.... NO... Luke was NEVER a mary sue!
@@zerolegacy7821 I agree with everything but the Ewoks. He went with them because the force obviously told him the situation would be better if he and the rest did. “It’ll be alright” and they give up their weapons.
@@heelsidehero7581Or not underestimate first impressions with small creatures due to his experience with Yoda.
@@zerolegacy7821 Luke is really a complete failure in A New Hope. He gets tricked by R2 into removing he restraining bolt, has to be saved from the Sand people by Obiwan, gets saved by Obiwan again in the cantina, although he plays a part in escaping the Death Star he's no more instrumental than Han, Leia and Obiwan. Even during the Battle of Yarvin at the end of the movie he's still getting his ass saved by Han.
Move on to The Empire Strikes back and he gets jumped by the Wampas. Escapes only to get rescued by Han, fails virtually every test set by Yoda then gets his ass kicked by Vader and rescued by Leia.
Luke beat vader in rotj. its mentioned very frequently that they were equals at that point. But besides that you're completely right, even after beating vader he STILL had to be saved. Because star wars isn't about the main character doing everything themself, like rey did, its about friends and family.
As an added detail about Anakin piloting the N-1 Starfighter in Episode 1, nearly everything he did while in the cockpit was either by mistake or by giving control over to R2. When he got in the ship, he was hitting random buttons and stuff trying to figure out how to shoot at the the destroyer droids. Once he was inside of the blockade ship, he blew up the reactor purely on accident while trying to defend himself from encroaching battle droids. Even then he barely escaped. He didn't just jump in the ship, and was like, eh capital ship, piece of cake. It was mostly luck.
"In my experience there's no such thing as luck"
So a ginger once told me.
A very salient point 8748
You know the Star Wars scripts have been terrible lately when all the excitement comes from personal attacks.
@magnusmotor1364 You know it's more than just Star Wars right? It is a theme and imposed on EVERY mainstream media or any kind of entertainment really.
What most people are unaware of, is that it is orchestrated behind, big companies and corporations that have the public's attention.
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@@tufflucal4037 Jeeezus... that's complex.
There's two lines I really dislike in TLJ and TROS "Bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber, you failed!" and "A scavenger girl is no match in the power within me!" Both make good statements for taking shots at Rey's true flaws, but I feel like they're saying girl too much like they want them to be misogynistic. And I feel like they wrote those lines based on what fans said, then antagonize it
Disney shills don't even comprehend how starwars was before Disney took over. What kind of abilities a person can inherently have from being force sensitive is one of the biggest things.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
i cant tell if this is a joke or not, i hope it is.@@ChosenOne-il4bm
These folks aren't even the majority of fans whom enjoy some of the media since Lucasfilm was acquired.
@AshanBhatoa they're not but they're certainly the loudest and they like to act like us fans from pre Disney don't matter. Acting like our childhood adventures reading comics and novels and playing the games like all of that doesn't matter.
Yep, you can use the force to hit your mark, to be a suber studd race car driver, and to pull your sabre from the snow, but using the Jedi mind trick on a mindless trooper? NO NO NO, THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS! 😂😂😂
Them using the “granddaughter” excuse is like me being able to play Mozarts Turkish March after 3 days on the piano, just because my grandpa was a piano virtuoso. Just because you’re related to someone powerful doesn’t mean you just automatically learn their abilities too. You need to HONE them, and it takes TIME
Oooooor you go dark side to cut some corners... Thats the Star Wars deal 😅🤷♀️
A great example is Luke and Anakin, Luke wasn't extremely powerful since the first movie despite being the son of the literal chosen one, Luke had to train to become powerful.
17:30 in a new hope didn't Luke's friend say, as soon as he got to the rebel base "I can vouch for him he was the best pilot in our group" or something like that? Like that one line explained that Luke was a trained pilot and a damn good one.
Yup. They establish several times Luke is an excellent pilot in ANH: Obi wan saying he's heard about Luke's piloting (in the same sentence as saying Anakin was the best fighter pilot in the galaxy), Biggs to the Red leader saying he's the best bush pilot in the outer rim, Luke to Obi wan saying he's not a bad pilot himself when the Luke didn't like Hans price, and Luke boosting about shooting womp rats from his T-16.
NAH UH!!! Rey would’ve been a great character if they wrote her better. Where tf did sexism come from? Like a very very small percentage of the fandom…probably. but I think we can all agree that Rey (and the entire sequal trilogy) is just horribly written.
Lucasfilm has been attacking fans since the sequel trilogy started. Calling anyone who disagrees or criticizes them sexist, racist etc. This is typical behavior for them at this point.
Rey was written? She feels like an amalgamation of hollywood trends and rage bait tactics used by writers to keep themselves being paid longer by saying "fans are sexist" finding sexist fans making reaciton videos, going "SEE?!" and the fake fans going : "Omg you anti SJdubyas are so racist duh duh duh." and the shareholders and bosses don't give a shit as long as tickets sell and are happy to go along with it.
Well, now tickets ain't selling. . . . . .
:/
That's the problem here. The most vocal part of any fandom is usually a small minority, and they get lumped into the normal fans who just want good stories and characters. And you can blame Mike Stoklasa and the rest of the Red Letter Media/Boba Fett pajama wearing OT fanboys. A grownass man can't figure out who the villain is of Menace, yet claims anyone who likes the PT has the maturity of a baby.
They criticized George until he sold it to Disney. Then, they got more Star Wars, and it ultimately ended up being bad. But NOW, they have to keep up the hate for George and can never admit they were wrong, that Star Wars WAS better under George, because then they would lose all their fans, which were made out of hate.
These people keep hating because hating is what got them here. They will lose any "credibility" and their "fans" if they change their viewpoint or admit they were wrong.
It's why I still watch people like Jeremy Jahns, who may have a bad take here and there, but he's willing to change his opinion if he feels like something significant enough opened his eyes to what he was missing.
And even if you disagree with his takes, he won't make you feel insulted for it. He'll just come in, say his opinion, why he thinks it, thanks you for listening, and leaves. So, you know, shout out to Jeremy.
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Right now there is far more sexism towards men than women, but because it's men it's funny and brushed off
she could have been great, but disney threw it out the window.
They can't win this fight. The fans make you. Without fans, you're "NOTHING!" nothing.
Love your content Star Wars Theory. Keep it pushing brotha.
I would like this comment, but it's at 66, so it's a perfect like amount (referring to order 66)
Rae had very significant piloting experience though. She put on that rebel pilot helmet while she was chewing with her mouth open. That clearly has to count for something.... Come on Theory, how did you miss that?
HAHA! This is great lol!!
She said in the force awakens she hss flown many times but never left the planet
@@robpettigrew3308ewhen
@@robpettigrew3308 SHOW DON'T TELL
@@valentinlageot4101 when they did show people complained about her being a mary sue .
She said she had flown then showed she could fly. Yet here we are. People still complain even though it was spoon fed to them
I'm a Girl, and when The Force Awake came out, I was excited about a female Jedi (Not that I'm saying there had never been any before Rey.), and the first movie was fine. It had flaws and was clearly not written well, but at the time, I wasn't bothered by it and was excited to see Luke again and see him train Rey in the next film. But of course, we all knew what happened in the next film. I never bothered watching 9th movie after that.
The sad part is that Disney not only ruined the old characters, but I feel like they ruined their new ones, too. The new characters had potential, but Disney clearly didn't know what to do with them and had no goal set in mind for the plot for their characters to reach, so they kept changing their minds every 5 minutes. They ruined the old characters, and then writing Rey poorly made people hate Rey, not Sexism.
I also really hate they killed off the whole Skywalker line.
Yeah I was hoping Luke having children of his own or At least Han and Leia have more than one kid likes in expanded universe. However the biggest letdown is they killed off the Jedi again and ripping off a new hope we could have gotten stories about Luke new Jedi order and how operate differently from the old one.
@@jaieregilmore971 Bro Luke got a wife in the comics
@@nathanfreeman8250 A wife (Mara Jade) and even a son in the form of Ben Skywalker.
@@Ariana321 👍
These people think that just because Star Wars is fiction, it doesn't have its own laws that the universe operates under; George HIMSELF has stated that the sequels are not what he intended. There's no contesting this.
overcoming failure is what makes us root for a character, both Anakin and Luke came out the other side missing limbs and plenty of scars while Ray remained untouched. The writing robbed us of being worried about if she was going to make it or not, if she failed and then overcame after Leias training everyone would have been rooting for her
Yeah Luke lost his hand in cloud city, Anakin lost his hand in geonosis to dooku, Vader also lost all 4 limbs to Obi Wan on mustafar. Rey on the other hand lost 0 limbs in all 3 movies
Just as a reminder, Anakin actually DID perform pod racing prior to when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan visited him and his mom. He mentioned how there was a huge prize at the end of the race that could be used to pay repairs for the hyperdrive on the royal Naboo starship. Shmi said how dangerous it was and Qui-Gon even said you need light speed reactions as well to compete. Very fast, very dangerous. Also, Anakin built his pod racer from scratch, so of course he would know the ins and outs on how it works. He competed and won against some of the fastest and best pod racers in the galaxy(just that one time), so of course he would be pretty gifted enough to pilot a starfighter. (btw, he crashed it in the hanger of the Lucrehulk and made his star fighter’s systems over heat on him. I think R2 helped him out of that pickle. Plus he flew into the space battle while still on autopilot. In my opinion, because he was still a kid and he didn’t know anything that he was doing, he didn’t force anything or any outcome. He was just trying not to die. Which allowed the Force to guide his actions unbeknownst to him. Because honestly it would be pretty stupid of the force to literally create the answer to the dark side only to have it be destroyed in a predicament it placed him in.) So yeah, Anakin is the main hero, but he’s a flawed and imperfect. This is a story about the tragedy and redemption of a hero. Rey is just some typical stuff you would predict would happen in Encanto. The sequel trilogy contains the thought process of a generic isekai story. No poetry, it doesn’t rhyme.😏
Keep pushing back without stooping to their level! It's so tiring to constantly hear the "you're just an -ist or -phobe", it's so encouraging to hear a decent and not hateful take about something we all love. Thank you!
Kathleen Kennedy strikes again
And every true fan of Star Wars can't wait for her be striked, and get out of there leaving space for someone who understands the saga, has respect for the legacy and the characters, and doesn't keep using Star Wars as a political flag, feminism, ideology and a idiot activism.
Darth Kennedy. 🤣😂
I think Kathleen actually wrote that article under a pseudonym.
Nice to finally have you in the fight, Theory. It's been a rough several years.
It really hasn’t, it’s always been a very small, loud, angry minority on both sides really, true Star Wars fans…are calm
@@John14710like a Jedi
@@John14710 I disagree. The hype and excitement for Star Wars has dwindled greatly. They’ve destroyed so many legacies of iconic characters that fans grew up with and idolized. Luke, Han, Boba, Obi-Wan, Thrawn, Lando, Admiral Ackbar, even Din. Look at the viewership of newly published Star Wars lore videos on CZcams. It’s decreased greatly, because so many fans have lost interest in the lore and theories because of the damage Disney has done. The majority of Star Wars CZcamsrs are struggling to get views on their videos now, because of how terrible Disney Star Wars has become, and Skeleton Crew and The Acolyte aren’t going to help. Jango Fett and Qui-Gon Jinn have been my favorite Star Wars characters for 20+ years, and I don’t want Disney touching them whatsoever. Disney doesn’t understand Star Wars. Period. They care more about agendas than storytelling.
@@John14710true fans eat everything disney spoon feeds them and they love it right?? Or am I not a true fan because my name isn't something cringe like Vader or something.
@@BaldingSince1999 ye because there’s nothing cringe about zane😂
I feel so bad for Daisy Ridley. She's a good actress that was put in movies with low effort and even lower understanding of Star Wars and character development. It reminds me of how Hayden didn't have much to work with in the prequels because George isn't great at dialog and did the best he could with what he got.
I feel bad for her too
@@alexwest2573Same
I like how they say “it took an entire trilogy” when the first two movies happen in 2 weeks and the next movie happens a few months later
How can they say star wars fans are sexist when there are fan favourite female characters like Ahsoka
Same way they blame men for The Marvels flopping when 65% of the audience was men that saw it opening weekend.
Disregard facts and reason, and only employ abusive manipulation and gaslighting tactics.
The same way racist people claim to have “black friends “
it's typical behavior of a child to lie and throw anything at you if you get caught being wrong
Have you not seen the hatred of Ashoka?
@@scoutt185the show or initial feelings of the character when she first debuted in the clone wars? Either way she eventually became loved
I wouldn't call the people who say Rey is a Mary Sue sexist because those same people more often than not praise well written female characters. For example, Jyn Erso, Ahsoka, Ripley and those are just to name a few.
Or you know maybe... Princess Leia 😂, I've never heard anyone complain about her character. These articles are so dumb
dont forget that no one hated on jaina solo, jarael, Celeste Morne, mara jade etc etc etc when they first appeard but allot of the fandom loved those characters
I wouldn't call Jyn Erso or Ahsoka well written female characters. Maybe Bastila Shan, Satele Shan, Kreia/Darth Traya, and Mara Jade instead.
Rule of not making a Mary Sue #1: Show it don't just tell.
Rule #2: Write a good character don't just write a female character.
Rule #3: Don't scream ism just because your Fandom hates a character you gave a single trait...gender.
Mommy Erso
The thing that kills me is that Rey had potential in TFA to be a decent character. She was actually kinda likable barring her OP Force powers. She was a nobody from some desert planet who was used to being alone, but once she became your friend, she was loyal and cared. She was rough around the edges and used to reacting on gut instinct, all things that could be used as developmental points later in the series. It was like, when TLJ dropped, they just dumped all of her likable traits out the window: she runs off on all of her friends for some dude who essentially mentally assaulted her in the first movie, who killed her father-figure, and who almost killed her best friend. Then she spends ROS being an absolutely unlikable jerk, running off on her friends again, and generally being unlikable and OP as hell and they also shoehorned her in as being a Palpatine because having her just be a nobody was too boring for whoever was directing the scriptwriters. She's a textbook Mary Sue, and it baffles me how Disney keeps buckling down on it being the viewers who are wrong instead of just taking the L and admitting that changing directors and writers mid-series was a mistake.
As a woman who grew up living Leia and Ashoka, I am perfectly happy to find the Rey character a complete abomination and I do not consider her to be in my cannon.
ahsoka is an abomination as well but do continue to go off about your canon.
Hating Rey and sequels means you’re too MUCH of a SW fan rather than a toxic or ist-a-phobic fan (or not a real one). These people are delusional.
Loving Rey and the sequels you have people telling you your not a true fan...Which is also delusional.
This feels like one sad and final desperate attempt at pulling the "my movie failed because fans are sexist" card after The Marvels failed.
Only the establishment Disney has built is pulling that card instead of the writer / director.
How many box office bombs is that for Disney now?
You know what, i never got this "fans sexist" logic. You know what, just for argument's sake. And what if fans are sexist. If for the last 8 years, you see fans beeing sexist and prefering of type movie making. Why do you keep making movies that you majoritary sexist viewer don't want to see.
How many box office bombs has Disney had now? Too many to count with both hands
@@optumis1433 In this scenario you have four arms and four hands. Get countin'.
@@restlessheroes If that were the case, they'd consider it fighting the good fight.
But since that is NOT the case, what they are trying to do is manufacture a new and fresher fanbase.
How the hell did this person publish this and not think twice about it 😂
If it pays, they'll write it. They don't care.
Because they didn’t even think Once.
They just want attraction and attention to the article. And the best way to do it to write such provocative article.
Whenever I see articles like this I always hope they come through your line and that you do a breakdown like this. Shit honeslty baffles me how out of touch with the real fan base these writers really are.
Always count on you Theory, we can hate bad characters, that’s not sexism
I like how journalists tell us that "prequel dialogues are garbage" and quote them. "Cloud their judgement", etc.
Out of all of the atrocities that Disney has committed on Star Wars.... Allowing Rey to Kill Palps was the worst single crime committed against the franchise. In that moment he was the most powerful he had ever been.... they have her she smoke him. Any chance you could make a video breaking down that fight?
Not only that but bringing Palps back is a slap in the face of the original history fans. It's lazy, unexpired and it commits one of the major sins a sequel can commit, it takes away from the original history, what do I mean by that? WELL since Palp survives his encounter with 2 fucking Skywalkers, the one to actually bring balance to the force was... Rey... Not Anakin/Vader chosen one and born out of the force itself or Luke son of said chosen one, trained by a legendary Jedi Master and by the GrandMaster of the Jedi, no in the end the true chosen one that brought balance to the force was Rey Palpatine Skywalker...
Well dissected and put 👍🏼 As a fan myself, I’ve realized that we sadly have to abandon whatever George intended for the characters and the saga, and accept our hopes and expectations are not going to be inline with what Disney is producing under the Star Wars titles.
I respect Theory for fighting the good fight, always enjoy hearing his take, and am glad his channel exists and allows him to generate an income for his time put into the opinions/content he creates. I’m feeling like Disney has made it clear they know what it wants to do and can’t be deaf to what George intended. It’s not his saga anymore and anyone expecting that to change is going to be sorely disappointed. Which sucks but is reality.
Anakin blew up the command ship by accident. He was trying to override the autopilot when he grabbed the weapon control system. He didn't do it intentionally. He was either lucky, or the force was REALLY with him.
There is no Luck. There is the Force.
Little from Column A, little from Column B.
Or the real hero was actually R2-D2, who pretty much saves the day in almost every movie.
@stuartspencer2161 thank you. I've always said without R2D2 there would be no Skywalkers, lol.
Annie was off the autopilot long before he flew into that hanger, was not killed because of his plot armour, then blew up the ship because he's the awesomest Jedi ever!
Great breakdown, Theory! And when it comes to Luke's piloting abilities in the OG, don't forget that he'd been flying T-16 Skyhoppers for years -- and they operate using very similar control systems to the X-Wing!
Yap, i was wondering if someone will bring that fact up. And there was a nod that Luke did trained with Biggs, before Biggs got into the Academy.
Lucas' original plan for the sequels was brilliant. Darth Maul (with bionic legs) leading a criminal syndicate? Luke rebuilding the Jedi, while Leia rebuilds democracy. Plenty of strong female characters to choose from, such as Mara Jade and Luke and Leia's offspring. Instead, the clowns at Disney gave us three movies that don't make any sense. With Ahsoka, we saw her struggle AND learn from Anakin. Kylo Ren had tons of training in fighting and using the force. Rey picks up a light saber and defeats him with no training? THESE ARE THE REASONS the sequels sucked so bad, and it has nothing to do with misogyny.
Hit the nail on the head.
Hit the nail on the head with this one. I've often indulged in a bit of head cannon and speculations to fix things that bug me with movies, but I'd never go out the way to claim it's fact and put in the work for someone else's shit story telling by writing a 'journalistic piece' on it.
I want a Jar-Jar Binks movie. Not even Darth Jar-Jar, just regular Jar-Jar.
I grew up on the OT and thank God you, who is younger than me, has not been emasculated and has the b@lls to speak truth. I wish there were more younger guys like you to speak up
I mean...just the way your wrote this comment makes you sound like the 1% of the Fandom that causes the rest of us to look bad and get called ism's.
I was raised on the OT, watched the PT in theaters, have read every novel and comic, watched every cartoon and show, have more collectibles than I can display, and after reading your comment understand why some people call the fanbase toxic.
@@a_troll_ we're just tired of the emasculation agenda disney pushes
@@a_troll_Nobody asked for you to flex your virgin status
Further supporting Luke’s ability in piloting an X-Wing was that he was flying his own T-16 Skyhopper for years prior. He and Biggs Darklighter would have races through Beggars Canyon, so that no doubt had something to do with his “unprecedented abilities”
Let's not forget that even Palpatine went through some brutal training under the tutelage of Darth Plagueus to become the powerhouse that he was.
Goddamn we got swole wars theory over here
"It's his traps!" - Ackbar
What’s disappointing is that the clown who wrote this article has the same mindset and views as everyone in charge of Disney Star Wars and Lucasfilm. SMH
criticism or differing opinion to them means hAtE automatically
I was really excited when I went to see the first "Rey" movie in the cinema. And I really liked Rey in the beginning, I thought the actor fitted well for a new Jedi hero and I was happy to embrace her. Initially I was also kind of excited when I left the theatre but I also had a bad feeling in the back of my head. The next day I started to think about my concerns. And indeed there were a couple of things that really worried me. The last two movies destroyed it finally for me. Not because of Rey or the actor, or because the hero was a women. It was the incoherent and in the result bad writing behind the shows. What a pity! Thank you STW for your content. Saw you with MauLer and Ryan. Great to see you guys discuss the pros and cons. Kind regards from Germany!
You handled this extremely well. Very professional and calm. You behaved like an adult in a childish argument and I take my hat off to you. The problem is channels like "GeeksAndGamers" which hops on the camera and behaves like a man child, kicking and screaming about something he doesn't like, gives everyone a bad wrap. When arguing against the "Ist" and "Phobe" people, you really can never lower yourself to their level because as soon as you do, they have won. And you articulated that very well. You kept your head above water and didn't throw insults etc.
pretty sure Luke was at flight academy of some sort. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure in the deleted scenes they show something about it.
We just want well written stories that don't contradict the already established lore. That's all. I don't care if they want to make the main character every possible minority in the book, so long as they actually have good character development and story.
I was just rewatching "a new hope" and man... it had so much life and whimsy to it compared to anything we get nowadays
Thank you for mentioning Tartakovsky’s “Clone Wars.” Disney seems to forget that series is the literal bridge between episodes 2 & 3.
As someone who is a black belt in weapons, I can tell you that a bow staff, and a sword do not handle the same way. It took me years to master the bow and another year to learn the katana. Instinct isn’t going to save you no matter how intelligent you are if you’ve never actually handled it before it’s not actually going to translate anything this is why just because you’ve played call of duty doesn’t mean you know how to fire a rifle in real life.
If they hadn’t deleted the original script, they were going to use for the last Jedi Ray would’ve been a much more believable character. at least there they had an explanation that gave some respect to Luke
I think there's definitely a problem in the fandom with as you said the "isms". It may not be that everyone that doesn't like the prequels fits that box, but I think it's naive to deny the problem.
I love how this person who wrote the article doesnt even know basic things like Finn being trained as a storm trooper or how dark side works lol
The "limited X-Wing experience" point is mute. Luke literally said "It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home." AND he missed the first shot. This article is mud.
Theory needs to make merch playing on the "it's a trap" line but it's just a picture of this dudes massive neck and shoulders haha bro blew up!
Theory on your counter argument for Luke blowing up the Death Star you missed a big point. Luke was able to do that as “I used to bullseye wamprats with my T-16”
When the article mentioned how could anakin podrace and Luke blow up the Death Star.
What if after Empire Strikes Back, in Return of The Jedi they subverted our expectations by having Vader be like “I was just joking about being your father, your dad was a nobody” Gotcha! 😂
I like how when they are describing what a mary sue is, they describe rey to a tee
It's sad that you have to touch in these things now but it's appreciated 🙏. Alot of people have finally reached their breaking point with all this finger pointing at the fan base when all we wanted was top quality, non-preachy content that respected the characters we grew up with. Thanks Man‼️🙏
Luke's Skyhopper and X-Wing were both made by Incom Engineering and had similar cockpits layouts.
Ho boy, there is a huge difference between being a scrapyard worker, engineer, and pilot. Being one would not immediately make you good at any of the others. That article makes me feel physical pain.
This is just another example of why I have not, and will continue to not support Disney or Lucasfilm in any capacity. They don't deserve my money or time. Constantly putting out garbage product and then disrespecting, insulting, deflecting, and gaslighting their CORE AUDIENCE whenever we give them the slightest bit of criticism.
They're both garbage companies ran by garbage people. And it's sad to see, because Star Wars deserves better.
Lol star wars fans are the most toxic fans next to wrestling fans.
Fans: Stop ruining things we love!
Disney: Put a female in it and her lame
Make her gay and lame*
17:00 Also he'd raced multiple times, failed a ton, never even finishing a race before, and trashed Watto's podracer in the previous race. He is established as having this experience. If they had picked up some random kid off the street that had never even driven a speeder before and dropped him in the race and he won THAT would analogous to Rey.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm Cope harder.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm You are allowed to like bad characters and poorly written stories. There are plenty of those that I like. Just don't demanding that longtime fans of a universe accept them as competent when they are clearly not. I don't like Kylo's character either, I think they did a huge disservice to Finn, and had no idea what to do with Poe. The creators are not good story-tellers, and it probably stems from a complete lack of experience outside of cushy, pampered, degenerate and pandered to Hollywood.
Star Wars theory While speculative, if Anakin Skywalker were trained directly by the force itself, it's possible he could have developed his abilities more rapidly. This might have allowed him to save his mother, be with Padmé, and potentially fulfill the prophecy sooner. However, the complexities of destiny and the Force are unpredictable, and outcomes could still vary.
If Qui-Gon had trained him then yes. Order 66 could have been prevented. Anakins task would then have been to reform the jedi order.
@@danielschoch4881 not any jedi or sith but the fore itself because the force has a will of its own
@@user-yc9vv9xb8s And Qui-Gon knew this. He followed the will of the force. So he would have been the perfect teacher and father model for Anakin.
You are sexist
Your pissed of Rey was the hero and not Luke
Rey is not poorly written
Young girl raised herself on Jakku
To overcome all the odds
Trains with leia for 1 year
Looming for her idneity and where she belongs
When she finds out she’s Palpatine she runs away
Afraid that she turn to the dark side
She understands some things are stronger than blood
Connecting back to episode 5
Yoda saying
Luminous creatures wee are not this crude matter.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm People wanted her as hero back in 2015. But not on cost of Lukes, Leia and Hans legacy. Prompting her with their tools, being good at all immediately. She should have been a hero who works for her own name and purpose, not steal of others, even Palaptines blood (maybe even Lukes as his hand was on exogol?), nevertheless. Thats why she is now hated, aside from the Mary Sue thing. All heros are gone as their families and the Palpatines remain. One way or another Palpatine always wins.
What they say about people watching as they were the director and they’re “right or wrong” Is the truest thing this article stated… but they’re trying to push that narrative in the wrong context to boost their egos
Great video as always, you didn't attack the person who wrote this garbage article and also explained thoroughly why Rey's character is written so poorly, I will add though Daisy did a fantastic job with what she was handed with imo. and I know Theory never attacked Daisy or anything its just a shame because she's a really good actress, Disney should be ashamed they let the cast and most importantly the fans down.
About the pod racing comment, Anakin had never won or even finished a race until Episode I. His force potential allowed him to "be the only human who could do it" but he was far from being a Mary Sue racer.
As I’ve said many times before, 99% of online articles are garbage.
Yo on a side note….., bro you are jacked, congratulations on staying motivated bro. Bro’s been in the gym letting off steam from all of Disney’s B.S.
I am really liking Sassy Star Wars Theory lol. You were tolling the line of the Dark side for a while. Now you are just bathing in it. 😂😂
Critical Drinker covered whether or not anakin was a Mary Sue…his follow up to anakin blowing up the Trade Federation ship was “ok, how would such an accomplishment impact his personality!”
Meaning that it served to make him more arrogant about his abilities. It had a purpose. Rey’s stuff doesn’t other than just disrespecting legacy characters
“You hate strong women” but what about Ashoka, padme, Bo Katan, Satine, Aayla secura, leia, Hera, mon mothma, asajj ventress, etc. such clowns 🤡
SJWs: Well you hated the Ahsoka show based on the views so I guess you never liked her. LOL.
Im enjoying your "darkside" journey ;) First you had the gall to have a courgal exploration of Ahsoka with Mauler, now you use dirty tactics like logic and reason to defend the "fandom menace" against garbage articles. XD Keep up the good work, love ya
The fact that this stupid-ass "sexism" argument was used against *Star Wars* fans was one of the most asinine maneuvers Disney has ever done. Yes, we Star Wars fans who for decades loved characters like Leia, Padme, Ahsoka, Aayla, Bastila Shan, Mission Vao, Luminara, Shaak Ti, Kriea, The Exile, Jaina Solo, Mara Jade, Barriss, Ashara, Zannah, Asajj, Bo-Katan, Sabine and *so many more* are now suddenly the most sexist people on the planet cuz we can't stand horrendously written characters like Rey and Rose and despise Disney for taking well established female characters like Leia, Ahsoka, Bo and Sabine and utterly ruining them with their disnified stupidity. yes, we're the "sexist" ones.
I’m just gonna be honest and say Rey is just a woke insert, they originally wanted Finn to be the main character but that wasn’t progressive enough. Mega corporations like Disney use woke ideology and identity politics to pander to random sjws as opposed the actual Star Wars fans, and in turn they don’t focus on story or narrative.
Rather
”Character has to be powerful because they are under represented or it would be sexist to not have said character be ultra badass and female… nor can it be a straight white male cause we’ve had enough of those. so let’s trash the main character of the saga ”… they do this When story should be prioritized.
Star Wars used to be a kind of boys club everyone enjoyed, boys, girls no body felt divided on that front.
now star wars is a Woke girls club that most people shit on because it focuses on identity politics and pandering.
I love Daisy. She was fantastic as Rey. I loved Rey in ep 7. However, they absolutely damaged her in the next episodes.
Daisy even said that they didn't had a plan. She deserves better. EVERY CHARACTER in the sequels deserved better.
Which I agree 100 times over, but obviously I’m just irrelevant.
But not us
There is a fanfilm (in fact more) about alternative ST. Star wars revitalized. Try it. Maybe you will love this rey version. She is called Rey Solana there.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
IT'S UNFAIR
I love Darth Talon, EU Leia and Darth Kreia. Oh wait--they're not Disney Canon, so they don't count.
Plus anakin admits he has lost the race a few times before and has never even *finished* the race and that's why they have to rebuild the pod racer, and on the way to coruscant he points to things and asks the pilots what they do so he's learning how to fly a ship from other people, I would also say it's safe to presume he learns even more on the way to naboo
You should come to America! You’d fit in so well.
"I understand you've become quite a pilot yourself."
-Obi-Wan to Luke in A New Hope
Luke literally owned and operated his own T-16 Skyhopper when he lived on Tatooine.
From Kris S. Channel Owner/Manager: I like your break down of this, which to me seems reasonably intellectually sociological and I respect your opinions though have some different ideas too. I think the concept of Rey's Force connection makes a limited amount of sense due to her interaction with Anakin's Lightsaber and visions in the first movie, which I believe unlocked her Force potential, by way of the Kyber crystal's connection to the Force. These crystals of course, also contain Force imprints of their users/owner/wielders. This however does not account for here vision of seeing Ben Solo/Kylo Ren's original turn to the Dark Side, as it is possible that the Skywalker Lightsaber was not present during these events. The only thing about her vision that makes any sense is, the fact that she saw pieces of Luke's duel on Bespin or at least one of the locations involved and heard Obi-wan's voice, who I theorized after ROTS/Musafar, altered the saber's blade color to cyan/bright-light-blue from Indigo Blue. What also stretches the lore with her connection to the Force is, naturally being able to reverse Kylo's Force mind probing, unless of course the interrogation happens after she does the mind-trick on the Stormtrooper. This usually slips my mind though, in terms of how I remember Force Awakens.
At this point, they just want to get passionate fans riled up on the internet to paint their narrative. For Luke’s X-Wing run, he already had prior experience running canyons on Tatoonie and even when he trusted the force, the only thing that saved him from being blasted away by a more experienced and powerful Vader was Han coming to the rescue. Regardless of if Rey’s epiphany helped her connect with the force, she was not skilled enough to beat Kylo at that point in time and would’ve needed a bail out.
Theory looking pretty damn swole.
"It's his traps!" - Admiral Acbar voice
Ackbar* 🤦🏼♂️
Has there ever been a Star Wars, Marvel, Disney, etc. movie that was genuinely awesome that bombed, because it starred a woman. I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, but I'm tired of being blamed for not liking shitty writing!
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The scenes in ANH that justify Luke's abilities are so small and short. It's one scene on the Falcon of Luke training with the laser drone, and then him briefly talking about his experience flying a T-16 and shooting at the local wildlife. And we accept that, because nothing contradicts it and we know the movie has limited runtime. It's just enough to allow Luke to make his one miracle shot with the proton torpedoes, because in the end, that was Luke's only major accomplishment in ANH. Everything else he had help from Obi-Wan or Han... and Obi-Wan still technically helped with that shot, lol.
Meanwhile Rey doesn't even have that. She has no scenes or dialogue setting precedent for her piloting a whole ass Corellian Freighter, and a notoriously finicky and modified one at that, she has no scenes of her learning to use the force or a lightsaber, and then she somehow jumps all the way to fighting a trained Dark Jedi and winning in her first outing. Luke never pulled that level of bs in his first outing, and then even AFTER MORE TRAINING he still loses to Darth Vader. I'd argue Vader plays the same basic role Kylo Ren does in the sequels, being the subordinate to a greater evil that the main character later redeems... but Rey beats Ren at every turn making him a joke. The bar was set so low and they still tripped over it.
Edit: Oh, and lets talk about Anakin. The autopilot got Anakin like 50% of the way to the Core Ship. It was a mixture of luck and his ability with the force that got him into the ship. He mostly fumbled his way to victory. Also he had R2 with him. He was not dog-fighting, he was just doing his best to survive and happened to fly into the ship and bullseye the main reactor. Is it all a little silly? Yes, but he at least had proficiency operating a high-speed vehicle and it culminated in nothing grander than what Luke did in ANH. It's like poetry, it rhymes. He was basically passively training his instincts with the force by doing something as intense as pod racing, and since his connection to it was in a tier of its own to begin with... we can accept this one thing.
Again, it's still a bit silly, but it's not as egregious as the multiple instances of BS Rey continually pulled out of her ass every step of the way in her debut film. Flying the Falacon, fixing the Falcon, speaking Wookie, resisting Ren's mind probe (this in isolation would have been fine, but... it's not an isolated event), mind controlling a Stormtrooper, using the force to grab the lightsaber, not immediately getting her ass beat by Ren... and then BEATING REN. None of these things have precedent or set-up IN THE MOVIE to explain how the actual fk she can do all that.
As for the podracing itself, the race Anakin won wasn't his first. He'd done it before and lost. His ability to do it is set up by dialogue and explained by his connection to the force. Any sufficiently powerful force user could do the same with a little training.
It really doesn't take much, but they wanted to speedrun Rey being powerful and chose to do it in the sloppiest, most unsatisfying way imaginable.
Luke was also already a pilot on Tatooine. Blasting womprats in Beggars Canyon.
Theory, you could not have said it more clearer or better! This article was clearly written without any real research done, 0 due diligence and with an evil agenda to call out those who simply did not like the "Rey trilogy". I love all star wars movies but Episodes 7, 8 and 9 were a pure disappointment not because of Rey the actor, but because of Rey the character. And oh the writers, don't get me started.
Ultimately, well said mate!
Agreed the article was clearly written by Journos, Corpos, and presstitute fake "fans" lol!
They start accusing you of the -ism's when they don't have an actual argument.
I mean even in episode 1 anakin showed good understanding of new ship systems. He was in the cockpit with the main pilot identifying what each thing did and the pilot even complimented him saying "you catch on quick" like anakin was really mechanically gifted especially for his age.
LONG RANT: When people ask me why I hate the sequels and why I have a gripe with Rey, I just show them Kreia and Meetra. Honestly, I think Rey was a great potential character but the Mary Sue stuff that happened in the sequel trilogy ruined her. Not to mention to add salt to the wound she is a Palpatine. Anakin had a life of tragedy, being a slave in his childhood, rejected by the Jedi order, and becoming a slave to Palpatine as Vader. Anakin saw his son tortured by his master who was trying to make Luke into his next slave apprentice, Anakin did what most fathers would do and saved his kid and redeemed himself. Then Luke and Leia live executing their purposes, the Sequel trilogy happens, and those two and Kylo Ren die, all pure-blood Skywalkers. Rey who is PALPATINE'S Granddaughter takes the name of Skywalker and it is infuriating because the legit Skywalker family literally dies from tragedy and constant bondage to Palptines. I don't care if Rey is on the light side the whole thing is just horrible to shit on a family who overcame impossible odds to have such an ending. Ruining legacy characters to uplift others is the biggest mistake Disney SW has made in my opinion. Not to mention anything they could've done with Rey to make her unique was not optimized or wasted, it is clear that she is more competent with a staff than a lightsaber yet her first original lightsaber is a single blade, which would have been able a perfect opportunity to show a double-bladed nonred lightsaber, which would have given her identity.
Shit bro you look jacked