Racism in the Muslim Community // Honest Tea Talk | Season 1 Episode 6
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In this episode, we talk about racism in the Muslim community - a much-needed discussion, we're sure you'll agree!
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I absolutely haaaattteee when imams trying to address racism say “don’t look at the face of a black man, look at the heart” like nooo, look at that face, because it is beautiful!!!
Boom!
Indeed, besides did Allah not say that he created us in many nations and tribes so that we may know each other? I cringe when people claim they are colorblind, first, they aren't, second it is emotionally violent and dismissive.
There is definitely racism out there but picking on people words who are trying to go against racism is being abit harsh.
There are some who write race politics into the wordings of the Quran and hadiths, like the nation of islam sect. Whenever the noor is mentioned they misinterpret it as white skin and whenever darkness is mentioned they interpret it as black with complete ignorance of arabic language ignoring all 1400 scholarship on it. So whenever the day of judgement is mentioned they state white skinned enter jannah even though its people are given Noor (light and radiance) on when entering heaven no matter the racial colour.
They create mistrust amongst the various races which disgenious.
There is racism amongst anyone who put culture above religion and are usually less practicing. They may have hijab on and beard but they may not pray at home, I met people like this.
But we cannot pretend that blacks are not racist ever because I clearly remember in my childhood both whites and blacks used to pick on us Pakistanis but usually they were not muslim
Literally I am not joking about this. I had a black friend who was my neighbour. One day her cousins were over, I said hey, and she pretending to act like she never knew me and slapped my face. It really hurt me. She kept on doing this but I was worried my mum was going to blame me if I fought back. Then one day she tried it infront of mum and I just lost it and punched out. She never did it again....
My dad is arab and my mom is black and my mother asked for a divorce because my dad’s family is literally the most racist people I’ve ever met. They treated my mother, my siblings and I extremely bad whenever we would go to family functions. Now my parents are no longer married and my dad is asking to remarry my mother again. But my mother said she doesn’t want to because of his family. Definitely not all but a lot of arabs are so extremely racist. I have no idea how my dad is not racist when he was raised in such a hateful and racist family.
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As Salaamu Alaykum, Agreed, people never admit how racist Arabs are, I was married to Arab ( Palestinian) for 10yrs and I am extremely dark skinned African American. I speak Arabic well , but I wish I did not. I was better off when I did not understand. I was working at a hospital and I had to visit a Lebanese family . I was wearing a Women’s Business Suit with a Ralph Lauren blouse. They (the Lebanese family )assumed that I was housekeeping coming to clean their hospital room and I could not be a Financial Counselor. Unaware that I speak and read Arabic, they spoke very ill of me without asking me one single question . I listened, eventually explaining the reason for my visit. Once, the family discharged only then did I make them aware that I spoke Arabic. Immediately, I was met with contrition and apologies, but it had an awful loud ring of insincerity .
@@Madinah_Al yup I am not surprised at all. I am so so sorry you went through that. It’s honestly so sad that a lot of arabs automatically hate on a black person once they see them. May Allah reward you abundantly for your patience. ❤️❤️
@@thankyounext9182 sister how is the situation going with your parents now? Or ? And most importantly are you ok? Is your dad side of the family racist? Or?
@@mizondez53 thank you for your concern, i appreciate it. My father’s family have apologized to my mother, my siblings and I for the way they have treated us but i don’t think my mother is willing to remarry my father unfortunately. I still speak to my father and we see each other as much as possible.
and when you try speak about racism to arabs all they say is 'bilal 😌✨'
LOL so true
Hh but they are hate with Ethiopians
Gamal Nasser if you read more about Bilal’s RA story, it says that even though he was mixed he was of a very darkskin. So he didn’t even look like he was mixed.
Lol!! The Bilal R.A example has been outplayed! It annoys me
yh just like the white supremacists who say "i have a black friend."
As a black African student studying in Austria i get tired of being asked by arabs to read the Quran to proove to them I am a muslim. My words are never enough for them and Alhamdoulilah am more praticing Muslim than all the others who ever asked me
That's disgusting that they do that to you. How dare they!
From my own experience it hasn't been Arabs only once I had a bad experience when a lady fro Saudi bound my feet up in a hijab to pray at the Mosque, as she said my prayer wouldn't be accepted. I was wearing an abaya over my clothes and hijab. I always pray barefoot.
@@Azoz-bu7ck shut up
@@Azoz-bu7ck ayrab
Yap that's why I am not muslim
My first experience with racism in the ummah was when I was looking for a husband.
A majority of my suitors had Arab, Indian or South Asian heritage
Whenever I told them that I was in an abusive relationship they would always ask "Was he Black?"
They're sick.
arabs are worse off in abusive marriages ,look at their divorce levels..
@@user-kc8gz9dc3c if tribe and race doesnt matter in Quran why focus on ones race..
Star Cherry you’re right they are flippin Racist just a man of colour is different or has gone through struggles you have not doesn’t mean that he is any less than you or anyone honestly I agree with you Star Cherry
guys there is good and bad ppl in everyrace, Ma Allah guide us to follow the sunnah as thats what makes ppl do good and make us independant and help one another, also critisizing man made culture is different then respecting race which was from Allah's decree. May Allah guide us to balance upon sunnah!
That’s how racism starts. Creating excuses اللهم اهدنا الى السراط المستقيم
I recently discovered Honest Tea Talk and I absolute obsessed! SubhanAllah it’s amazing to see Muslim women sit down and discuss REAL topics that are affecting our ummah! May Allah swt continue to bless this platform, ameen!!!! Watched almost every episode in 3 days Alhamdulliah! I want more lol! Congrats sisters mashallah
Same here sis
I think that the dark skinned sister wants to NOT see it. She was quick to point out how Black people discriminate against "other" Muslims.
i love aliyah take on this issue
black lives matter is not racist
You’ve hit the nail on the head ! and it’s just so unfortunate she Chooses NOT to see it.
I mean she's kinda right tho, cause as a black muslimah I never encountered racism in the muslim community and I can tell you that some black muslim parents are also a bit reluctant to let their children marry other but black.
@@ayaatsade4586 not isn’t! The idea is speaking out to say enough!!!
Racism exists so much here that I had to stop going to a particular masjid, this is particularly with Arabs and it makes me sick..
sorry to hear that sister but i know what you are talking about
There is a reason I don’t like muslima
Not all Arabs are racist coming from an Arab
@@salnimer9650 most are 🤷🏽♀️
I attend a masjid where racism exist and there are Africans that are there mostly...I am a fair skin black women..ugh
I'm sorry but sumeyya and LaYinka's opinions were off base for me. The fact that they didn't really recognize the racism happening was really disheartening to me. And then the thing about how laYinka didnt really experience anything so she felt like it's not something she wants to get fired up about? Come on these are your people being treated badly! We are a community and we need to support each other. And if you dont know what's going on educate yourself.
Dhynasah James I felt the same way, it was very off putting! Especially coming from darker skinned sisters...
She spoke her truth I guess, like no body is perfect, if she hasn't really experienced it, you don't expect her to lie about it .....that's why it's called honest tea talk....they are not portraying themselves as perfect,it's just a conversation about problems we face as muslims
Dhynasah Çakir 💯
We are all ppl together in the end, all Children of Adam, believe it or not Islam bring solution not just to the oppressed but the oppressor who feels that weakness to be an oppressor. there's a hadith help your bro if hes oppressed or an oppressor, they asked how do we help an oppressor, by telling him not to oppress, one of the refutations i use on atheists is that they built no civilizations so humanity as a whole testifies to Tawhid of Islam the preserved faith in this ummah and faith of all the Prophets peace and blessings be upon them. there is no sin except theres a good deed better then it and this is proven, but also one is to council their hearts and Aisha Radiyallahu anha said the first verses revealed were to soften the hearts, and about Tawhid and judgement day etc.So it can soften teh hearts of an oppressor as well. The point it Quran is solution from all angles! that education is just as vital as anything if not more, because there will always be problems but the general studies of Islam and history (which is perverted by innovators) and its virtues can remove these problems!
I was very dissapoited too in hearing that a Black person isn't aware of racism. Am à non muslim but even from thé outsider I see it all the time in any forum of religion group. Sorry to her but i think she inconscienly repress thé belief of racism but she must have definitly have expérienced racist expecially for à darker ton skin like her.
As a revert I was turned down for marriage because I am Hispanic and his parents wanted someone from the middle east and from the same village not only is that haram but they legit cried because they thought their son was going to marry outside of the race and once they found out I was a revert it was a big NO I still feel salty about it and then they gave me gifts to apologize like sorry but no you still can't marry our son because you're a Hispanic revert
May Allah help you through this situation, in nyc where i have many revert friends and generational Muslim friends, they marry each other and among themselves! I try to take a middle route, its ok to have preferences and do background checks which is why many friends introduce ppl to each other, but discrimination is wrong!
Allah is with you sister...This Cultural Madness must stop ..INSHA ALLAH..ALLAH has the Best for You...He will Bring You the Best Man for you...
Sorry to hear that chib obviously it seems like it wasn’t the man’s fault but his parents are to blame either way END TO DISCRIMINATION. END TO RACISM.
Good parents, Mashallah
Allah has something better planned for you. Everything happens for a reason although you may not know that reason now one day you'll look back and say alhamdulillah.
Aliyah describes her passion about fighting this major injustice of racism and I feel the same exact way! I believe many black Muslims are afraid to talk about racism because they feel like they’re victimizing themselves or in that position of helplessness. Talking about racism is not playing the victim card, it is speaking the truth.
Imagine the discrimination converts face...
Seydi Ba pullo yaa wuur cella
White Muslims get called race traitors and if you are accepted by a SJW thinking your not WHITE for some reason and they act like your not white and when you tell them you're white they attack you...
Actually the plight of black people globally is widely known, including in Muslim communities. What is not acknowledged is racism among black people against each other (light skin/mixed vs black) and also how we can also be racist towards other ethnic minority Muslims.
@@unapologetic7281 Colorism is acknowledged and addressed.
there is a bias against black people in the muslim community from other groups of people i do not like that we have not had an honest conversation about this in this episode...
there is bias and ignorance towards many ppl, May Allah help us use the universal knowledge of Islam to help one another an educate others , as knowledge is key after the blessing and tawfiq from Allah!
Thus particular episode is about anti Blackness. It's better to address these 5hings specifically, so we know what we are dealing with, so that we can combat it. There are many injustices in the world, but highlighting that, won't get rid of the problems.
Unfortunately it's not just within the muslim community , but in the whole world "thanks " to the European colonization
@@Youbettersaysubhanallah we discuss this about Muslims because especially us it should not exist. Islam clearly is against racism if you declare the shahada you just need to work yourself out of the idea.
Moreover we are the generation Allah says we will enjoy good and forbid evil. May Allah save this ummah.
I never seen a Arab Muslim woman with a black Muslim man ! Arabs don’t view blacks as real Muslims!
I was wondering if you guys can do a tea talk on how Muslim women disrespect other Muslim women based on how they wear their hijab, whether or not they wear the hijab and what they choose to wear in order to determine their validity of being a Muslim and character.
YES!!
That would be really good if you could do that
Yes pls !
interesting topic and very relevant!!
That will be a topic on culture/religion.
Being bangledeshian and having really dark skin I’ve actually heard racist remarks from lighter skinned black Muslims 😐
Sorry to hear that but some People suffer from Post colonial master syndrome and look upto their white god and down on the black race, funny that because black people never called people coolies or take the land.... so where is the problem with black people
@@healthvsfatigue9147 I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. What race were they tho
I am sorry for the treatment for the Bangladeshi people by Pakistanis who were racist n 1971 causing the war of independence.
Dude I seen Arabs brag about being white
@@bryanbradley6871 Those who are pure Arabs are generally darker skinned and no one speaks of Arabs as being "white" - Sure there are some Lebanese and others who have mixed features due to race mixing ( Phoenicians and Europeans having been to the Levant in history) but Arabs know that they are a Semitic race and that the pure Arabs from the Peninsula, Gulf and Yemen are hardly white. So if someone Arab is bragging about not being a Middle Eastern Semitic race but European White, it only shows you that they are insecure and don't know about anthropology or history.
We need to talk about the racism within the muslim community more often.
There is A LOT to be said.
As a revert from several years back, close to 20 years now, I have steered away from being a Muslim that practices in a mosque because the same thing that has brought me to Islam (the practice of everyone being on the same level and only your good deeds being highlighted) is the same thing that has kept me away (the racism). I wanted/still want a Muslimah but do not appreciate how I am limited to a particular race trait...I appreciate everyone but this is not shared! I want a Muslimah that is supportive and one that HELPS me be a better Muslim in practice! I appreciate the sisters highlighting this issue because it is very real and has affected me for years!
I,m a revert as well, and yes THERE are racism, espesially among European revert.
i’m sorry about the experience you've had .i’ve always been open to reverts as being born a muslim doesn't make one automatically a practicing one. sadly many view it as a 'risk'. same goes for intermarriage amongst muslims. we are one ummah, everything else is secondary.
as an african muslim (often mistaken for black arab) living in the west - i too avoid the masjids cause i don’t feel welcome. colorism exists even in africa. the obsession with pale skin and skin bleaching is like never before thanks partly to social media and 'filters'.
Whaaa???😂 How about selecting a wife based on her iman, shared interests, shared shared picture of how you want your daily lifestyle to be, & of course her being a cooling to your eyes.
One thing that I find absolutely cringeworth is when family friends or people I know who've settled in the UK a while back start complaining about new migrants coming into the UK. I can't keep shut at those time and reply that they're only doing what you and I or our parents did, if your going to complain you better put yourself in that equation. Makes my blood boil.
And it also makes me think that, hypothetically, if they're complaining to this level while they're not even living in their land of ethic origin, imagine how they would treat any mingrants coming into their land?
Perfectly said
[Qur'an 49:13] "O mankind indeed we have created you from male and female, and made you people's and tribes that you may know one another, indeed in the site of Allah is the righteous, Indeed Allah is all knowing"
I just discovered you ladies and I'm loving it. I listen to you guys like a podcast while I'm homemaking 😅 absolutely love what you're doing. I listened to your video 'to our younger selves' and I actually cried and I've never cried over a podcastlol .I am a young Muslim women myself in my twenties and it was so touching to come across Muslim women going through a lot for what to many of us are going through. Keep us the good work and may Allah put Baraka into it 🥰💖💖
Whenever Sumayah speaks, I literally get chills. She is so wise. Her segment from @9:00-11:10 literally spoke to me and confirmed a lot. Thank you Sister💜
I think most of the racist conversations happens behind closed door. My parents told me too marry anyone besides a black men. They don’t want black grandchildren. I have arabs friends who tell me similar things their parents said. Also same with my Albanian friends who’s parents are okay with everything expect blacks. I think only aliyah experience because she doesn’t look black , so people are able to be honest and express their views.
I'm black but that could also be there preference personally I ended up marrying my own race because I found it easier but I would always want to go into a situation where your celebrated not tolerated or loathed
I never seen a Arab Muslim woman with a black Muslim man !
@@fidelcastro236 I have…a lot
@@fidelcastro236 In France there's a ton lol
@@taymina_6505 here in America 🇺🇸 I’ve seen a lot of Arab men with black wives but never seen a Arab woman with a black husband! I remember asking a Arab guy about it he said Arab women aren’t supposed to marry blk males I was shocked 😳
Subhaanallaah, whilst listening to this my phone came with a reminder to read surah hujaraat! Made me feel a way to have my feelings reciprocated on the matter, may Allaah guide us all to be just with each other ameen,
Salaaam sisters, jzk for your efforts. I stumbled across your channel and I have found myself binge-watching the entire series. Words cannot fathom how insightful these discussions are; they are educational and NEEDED within our Muslim communities. Please continue with other series, we need to engage in dialogue with each other and convey practical ways not only to spread the awareness but to actively combat these issues on both an individual and societal level. Baaraka Allahu feekom.
"does it need to be our personal experience in order for us to feel passionate" I have so much rage over injustice regardless of whether it affects me or not and that's how it should be for everyone who is Muslim because our ummah should matter to us. We are meant to care.
It's 2020 and this is still an issue in our community, I don't think it could have been addressed better! Loving the content ♥️
😊✋❤️yea true zairabtaylar.3622.
im muslim and arab my mom is white and my dad is black and I'm proud of that !
mashaa'Allah
@Hamsa Hamdan thank you
@Romeo - there are white , brown and black arabs
@Romeo - babe WHO TF SAID I WAS WHITE ??????????? .. ur name is romeo ur clearly not arab so stop acting like u know better than me .. thats what's cringe honey
@Romeo - bro u realize that arab countries are literally 22 country from 2 completely different continents .. how are we all brown make make sense .... go read honey i feel bad for u
It's crazy how the sista in the middle understands, but the other two seems to be lost.
Exactly
The other two didn't want to talk about that definitely... The sister on the left seems like somalian, these are very weirdo people, I wasn't expect much.. the sister on the right is who disappointed me
@@kalimba5742 Somali people aren’t weirdos but yeah they didn’t want to talk about it
Thank you so much for this subject and myself have been in a situation where now I am distant from my Islamic center and Muslim community for this reason because when I reverted to this faith and studies I was pushed away because I was a revert and could not find marriage within my faith as a revert and I ended up finding a none Muslim for love
Sorry for that bro
I am really sorry my brother. i will make sua that both of you are practicing and all your efforts are being seen by Allah brother. And Allah is looking at those fools too. they will have wat is coming to them when the most high and The Most High judges them
You people still believe that islam is for equality? Lol I'm an ex Muslim, I was born Muslim in a Muslim family and in a Muslim country.
I'm more so like the lead of the show. Aliyah? :) Injustice severely disturbs me. We need to see eachother as fellow Muslims. That's it. Simple. Khalas. After that, the country and culture you were raised in/with is secondary and to put it simply, interesting and adds to your uniqueness. It doesn't hinder you, or make you less, nor should it subjugate you to any form of stereotype. We're all human. And we all bleed the same. Agreed. 100%.
Jazak’Allah Ol’ Soul Ana
Wow ❤️ white Muslim women are beautiful I see why now....
Great episode! This is a topic that needs to be discussed in every community and every masjid throughout the world. It ties into tribalism which is prevalent in some of our cultures. As a revert, racism in Islam is very disappointing, it clarifies the fact that we have deviated from the true teachings of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH regarding not just tolerance but acceptance and appreciation of the benefits of multi-culturalism which are creativity, innovation and progress. The greatest period in our Islamic history encompasses great scientific discoveries, the development of sound governance and human rights never before seen on earth. Islam was attractive then because there were so many benefits to being a Muslim which opened people up to the teachings. Treating each other as true brothers and sisters is paramount to regaining our dignity. I hope the discussion on this video sparks the conversations that are so badly needed in order to begin addressing our problems. Love you all for the sake of Allah
Jazak’allah kher sisters! I have never come across such an intellectual level of commentary from a group of muslim ladies and especially on taboo topics like that. Racism is very strong and alive in these times and we need to talk about. Keep doing the good work!
Asc sister i have clicked on this video as soon as i saw this and i was interested. i always saw other people as racist but i never thought of my community as racist. i always thought we were community that never judged anyone else but this was a wake up call. my family would die of shock if i was to invite someone outside my community which was something i always thought of right but never thought of it as racist. because we were raised to with the ideology that always settle down with someone from your community.
mashallah, I can not tell how much I loved all your podcasts I watched. I watched one podcast and it lasted 27 minutes, it went so quick, and same there other podcast. really love your talks from three our beautiful respected sisters! might Allah grow your channel to millions and millions subscribers and views. ameen
Imagine how strong our ummah would be if we got rid of this problem, we would set an example to the whole world.
Ameen
That problem is not going anywhere.
MashAllah really deep topic, well done sisters, appreciate these honest talks.
i love aliyah she is brave and intelligent
I completely agree, it’s very sad to see how divided we are.
We need to put Islam before anything else, which means ignoring our differences. So we can all come together.
Different cultures can teach us so much and open our eyes to different things that may be better for us. In shaa Allah bring us all together
Why are you surprised, islam divided the world into Muslim and non muslim , you think you will ve safe if you pick the muslim side ? No in the muslim side there's shiia, and sunna, and ahmadia and many others, and inside those there are , convert and muslim born, and arab muslim and non arab muslim, and after that you have black and white ect
This is truly an 'honest tea talk"that is very educative and sensitizing, Jazakumullulahu kahiran
This was a hard blow for me, as a new revert I came in with the hope of safety amount my muslim brothers and sisters. I had the expectation that all Muslims put faith before culture and color… boy was I wrong. I am so sad to see this happening. For me I choose and will always choose my faith over culture
islam is arab imperialism
There is a long history. Its ingrained in the culture.
Arab and muslim community in general are the most racist people you will ever meet in your life , ofcourse they will invite you to eat ( for hasanat) they will fake smile to you and call you sister, but they will always think that they are better more noble ect....
Extremely relevant topic right now sharing this with all my aunties that can understand English!
I'm obsessed with this channel
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. Quran 49:13
Dawahdude who is „we“ in that context
@@tessymedia9113 ALLAH swt The Creator of Heavens and Earth and All Mankind ALLAH swt uses WE when speaks to His Creation. When Allah swt talk about Himself He uses "I" One to Many = We and One to One = I (This pattern is in the Qur'an)
People dont listen, we dont listen. insan. May Allah grant us better understanding...
@@tessymedia9113 We, is as used in the holy quran to portraying the exclusive lofty royalty of Allah. I welcome you to the fold of Allah Theresa.
So people of the same tribe do not know each other?
As Salaam Alaikum rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu! Sister's this is a great discussion! Being a revert I became aware that these are major issues that need dialogue...I also wanted to add that the biggest difference Im aware of is "any hue that aren't"black" but uses racism oftentimes has power to change the "lifestyle" of African Americans. But if African Americans practice racism is closer to prejudice bc their hatred rarely have power to change their culture. And this is the biggest obstacle I've saw...JazakAllah khayr. I pray that you sisters continue to bless with you'll Hikmah. Allahumma Ameen
I just want to say a big thank you to the Lady in the middle, for her honesty .
Assalamualykum sisters I really enjoy this platform and watched all of the videos because of how relevant these topics are to us as an ummah.
I respectfully disagree with sisters Sumayyah and Layinka as I believe that anti black racism is rampant and an undeniable disease in the ummah. As a Black (Somali) mother raising Black children in the west I would love to see this issue discussed further with another guest from the lense of strategies of raising them with confidence in their heritage, self esteem and tools to tackle this disease. And since many non Black Muslims are also viewing these videos ways that they can be anti racist in their homes and talk to their kids about racism as well. We have to be very clear and intentional with our children. Jazakaallah khayran.
I can't wait for the next episode. Thank you sisters.
I'm loving ❤ binge watching these incredible amazing HTT episodes 😍 jazakumulahu khair sisters and Allahumma-Barik xxxxx
Same^^
I am a "Black" man born and raised in the U.S. and grew up in California. I happened on this video and found that I was relating to a lot of the discussion. I work in Social Services in a building where Muslim men & women come for immigration services & sometimes they avoid me or even my Black female coworkers on the elevator and in the hallway. It hurts, but we want to break the stereotypes against us & also what is said to us about Muslims. I appreciated this discussion and will tune in for more. We, so called African Americans are beautiful, loving people who live in a society designed to destroy us. There's negative people in every culture so again, thanks for having this discussion. It's very important..Bless!❤
The problem is we are part time Muslim we have to acknowledge that Islam is very clearly against racism, in his final sermon
The Prophet Muhammad( ﷺ )
Allah's Blessings and Peace be upon him, said:
"There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white -- except by piety."
Maybe imans should be preaching during salat
Mashaa Allah ! Very insightful as usual !
May Allah SWT heal our hearts !
Ameen.
Assalamu alaikum to tell my story. I live in the u.s in a southern part where people are divided... My grandfather would use the n word... My mother was one of the few women in the 90s in our town you'd see in a mixed relationship... That wasn't something that was normal... In school we divided ourselves on color and status.... When I became Muslim in my mid teemns I was captured by the beauty of many people being equal.. the story of Bilal... Julaybeeb( as I myself am a bastard child)...and all of the other companions.... Forward to meeting my husband he is Russian there aren't dark skinned people there I remember having to go to DMV with his father who visited and him seeing so many people of color in one place and it being a culture shock for him... I remember a Bangladesh sister of darker skin saying she hated her skin and wish she was my color my reaction was why you are beautiful I have to tan to get as dark as you I love your thick hair your small stature I'm a Amazonian woman to many. But most importantly Allah made you and he makes no mistakes.. or a Pakistani sister saying to me and a sister who is have Puerto Rican and African American I drink milk nit coffee so I can be light like her ( referring to me) and not dark like her( referring to the sister).. Or the one time a elder sister had me and a sister in the van I was called Amira at the time and her jameerah the sisters granddaughter asked are you sisters her brother laughted and said no dumby ones black and ones white.. she said so my heart was filled with love for her. Innocence... Or the time a young boy was talked to a brother in the masjid and my husband heard him call the brother white he grabbed a brothers thobe and said am I this color the child said no ( it's our job as parents to educate our children) my husband and I agreed to not teach our children color there are people who are darker skinned and lighter skinned but what is most important is Allah has made us all and he makes no mistakes. I do feel sad when I see a division the somalians and Arabs and American sisters stay seperate .. I myself am stuck in the middle I am in-between... But also because I wear the fave veil... From the time I took shahadah to my decision to wear veil after I got married I have heard all the racism to last me a lifetime and I'm sure more to come... As because of my skin color I look foreign and my heart hurts for the ignorance that people spew from their mouths and it urns for a unity and understanding of all the colors to be able to come together especially in our Muslim communities. May Allah guide our ummah, open our hearts to one another, and remember the Beauty in all of His creation ameen.
Ameen sis. It is disheartening to see such going on in our community. The sad part is people who are from the same country and speak the same language do this to each. My tribe is better than yours or my bloodline is more honourable etc. Or if a sister married someone from different to her tribe she’s discriminated against by in laws n made to feel she’s not good enough. Honestly it never stops. We’ve become very vein as ignorant. May Allah unite us all and safeguard us. Ameen.
Thanks for sharing your story. Ameen Ameen.
I admire your strength and need to change what little you can. It does take taqwa in our hearts to see what others don't, that we are all sons and daughters of Adam and that none is better before Allah except the righteous. Insha Allah we hope things will change
Jazak’Allah Judith Enis and may Allah guide us and the non-Muslims Ameen, there is definitely a sickness in our “born” Muslim community where we or they cannot tell that a Muslimah is a revert or just Muslim and same for the men whether they wear a kufi (Muslim hat) or not to be honest i did find it difficult to tell once that whether or not this man was Muslim because he wasn’t wearing obvious Islamic clothing or in this instance a kufi, but we really must change our mentality if we want to succeed or move forward in life with our Muslim Ummah (greater) as a whole.
I remember as a young girl going out into real world. I was soooo afraid of black people. I was watching my surroundings and nervous. I didn't know to interact with them because my family was always mingle with causcians. Even at family gathers my family is Much dark. I would stare at their colour and wonder why we are different in colour. They , in their mind, spoke to me to say I thought I was better, my hair like longer. These are things I never knew or seen of myself til it was spoken. I begin to pass mirrors at home to see was I really that different. My husband brought me to see his family, dark skin, and his father whispered to my husband that my husband married a pretty light skin one😳😳
It was a Great episode girls. Good job for opening the eyes of the ummah
You cannot talk about racism in the Muslim ummah and not touch on the issue of nasab (not sure how this is pronounced) but loosely translated as the "background" like in marriage, you choose a spouse for their "nasab" meaning for the kind of family they come from. Unfortunately some communities like my Somali community feel they and Arabs are the only NASAB (and they mean PURE BLOODED). That is definitely NOT ISLAMIC teaching. It is cultural and jahiliya thinking. I loved your talk but felt you missed this point
The Somali Community have got lots of prejudice..thts why the country fell apart..
I think dis problem is globam not exclusive to certaim ppl dat some tribes don.t marry outside their tribe
Due To blood
And has not related to islamic teaching but has cultural background
The blacker the berry the the blood/dna is pure as it can be, science will tell you this, recessive alleles, melanin etc. Dnt let any one out your colour down
Fake news. Arabs have tribes. Somalis have clans. Totally different in terms of nasab (which means lineage not background). Nice try tho
ABDUL it's not exclusive to Somalis at all.
Moli Osumba your country doesn't have prejudice?
In your country, Nigeria, a pregnant woman was recently killed because she married someone from different tribe. Would you like the link?
A truly appreciated Aliyah's opinion on the subject.
Yes racism is everywhere, and many communities has to go through it.
But we all know what black people have to go through.
And don't get me started with how they're treated in Middle east countries.
midle east and asia blacks are so mistreated even killed some times i dont understand the blacks like horn africans who claim being mixed with these people they are abused in these countries some of them claim to have originated from i hate that my tribe claim arab origin i dont believe it or like it
@@ayaatsade4586 it's indeed truly sad...
So happy you have this space to talk and educate .. i feel like a part of the convo
Culture is a massive thing and I agree 100%
Yea and culture and race are 2 different things, for example the mainstream culture or 2 ppl might be different and haram but ppl still decide to focus and put din first so they end up gettign along!
Salams to all. I just stumbled on your videos. Iam from mixed background from UK.
I love all the topics.
This particular one needs part 2. As I feel the root of some of African indo/pak and far eastern countries who were colonised left behind some good but they left a couple of generations of stigmas and specifically inferiority complexes.
So this is not only to opposite of those races but it is done to their own race as well.
And from that stems our cultural economic and religious issues.
Must do part 2 to this video
Anisa
Am I the only one that heard Sumayah say "I said what am I black?" at 7:00 - I think that should have been a point of discussion that many Somalis don't identify them selves as "black" and it's quite offensive (if not racist within itself)
I don't think you heard when she said she was joking...later on in the episode. Check again.
@@rasheedatthompson914 I did and I was still making reference to the fact that the comment and belief is held by many Somalis
@@safooyaahmed7725 we Somalis are definitely black unless of course, you think we are colour-blind and don't even recognize our own skin colour.
@@farahabdi6344 lol I'm Sudanese myself and the majority of my friends are Somali's who all say they are not black they have the same response as the sister in this video did
@@safooyaahmed7725 North sudanese and Somalis are very similiar
MashaAllah, sisters, very honest and thought provoking discussion. Change most start from within. So we should sincerely look inward and really make an effort to truely change our perception of others. I think that is a really hard or even impossible thing to do but if we can achieve that level of change then racism will be a thing of the past in the Muslim community.
May Allah rectify our hearts and remove any kibr from them ameen. Very thought provoking, unfortunately racism is still deep rooted in society despite the diversity, it’s institutionalised through our educational system and in the media, and masked on so many levels where people perceive themselves not to be racist simply because they have friends of different backgrounds when it’s deeper than that, it’s based on our perceptions of each other and what we hold in our heart; if we view each other as equals or bil aqs; that we hold some level of superiority simply based on the colour of our skin authoo billah. In shaa Allah we see the day where people see beyond colour and race, especially amongst our ummah that should know better.
Sister Aaliyah, I LOVE your passion for social justice. Alhamdulillah! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The biggest problem is that too many Black Muslim men are looking for Muslim women outside their own race. They are being more discriminatory against Black women.
Bingo💯
I never seen a Arab Muslim woman with a black Muslim man ! Arabs don’t view blacks as real Muslims!
honestly thank you so much sisters for talking about this..
Masha Allah.. My three beautiful sisters in Islam. You sisters are doing a great work n bringing the topic needed to talk on the table. i have alot of sudani, Somalian, Ethiopian friends. some asian people even questions me why i have those friend. and my replies hurt them cuz i tell them they are better people than u. To prove that i point the word they just spoke to me n my friends never said such words.
Honestly, it is heartbreaking to see how many Muslims overlook racism within Muslim communities. I am a victim of it in a way we’re my fiancé’s family did not accept me simply because I am from a different culture. Mind you not A different country, BUT CULTURE. Subhana Allah. I am open minded so obviously speaking out to them about it I was seen as the LOUD MOUTH. Subhana Allah where is our Islâm , the Islam of Muhammad swalallahu alayhi wasalam and Bilal. Why can’t we seriously just drop these nonsense of racism and come together. ❗️ I keep forgiving that not everyone has the same open minded as me or these beautiful sisters. You guys keep it I love it 🥰 May Allah reward you
Mouhamamd was the biggest racist lol, you can have a black ( bilal) friend and still be racist
Listen to some of the Khateebs in Jummuah. Whenever they talk about poverty, it is Africa. Whenever they mention Jungle, it is followed by Africa, but most fund raising efforts in Masajids tend to neglect sub Saharan Africa when it comes to poverty alleviation efforts. Very good conversation Sisters.
Manshallah Layinka, is soo open to come up all details & energetic.
I am a black African Muslim, for me, I can say there's no racism in Islam but there's extensive racism among Muslims, especially white Arab Muslims. I am saying this because I experienced it when I wanted to marry a white arab Muslim girl, this thing is really and they don't care that I am Muslim, they refuse to marry that girl because I am black. I will never forget this in my life. I have seen this to my fellow black Muslims when they wanted to marry an arab Muslim girl, InshaAllah ALLAH knows
The next episode should be about all those firetrucks passing by 😂😂
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Every single video 😂😂😂😂
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@@lisathomas5812 right!! 😂😂
From what I’ve learned, in the Black American Muslim experience, our identities and perceptions of us are thrust upon us early on. I know when others look at Black Americans, they tend to think we are overzealous about racism here. But I have witnessed the change in mentality once people have immigrated here and see things first hand. It saddens me that people don’t feel affected personally with simple knowledge of the existence of racism. Multicultural society seems to only exacerbate this reality.
Great discussion but one correction, racism doesn't in any way happens towards White people in predominant White nations where they control all the institutional power, which both the US and England fall into those categories. However, prejudice towards Whites in these nations does exist. The words prejudice and racism are often used interchangeably when in fact they're not exactly the same thing.
As for racism within Islam, it exists in a BIG way and is not discussed and addressed enough so I thank you for talking about it in this video. It becomes extremely visible during the Hajj. Certainly, racism is not inherent in Islam but it is in the cultures of various groups and nationalities, namely throughout Arab and South Asian cultures. As a West African Muslim, I've both witnessed it and experienced it myself.
There will be a day of reckoning for such thinking and misdeeds. The only way to fix this problem is to bring it to light and root it out. In shāʾ Allāh
Of course racism happens towards whites lol you dont know what tbe word means lol check a dictionary.
Racism is a massive problem with Africans . Didn’t you people swell african Americans to the white man ?
I developed a thing where I don't tell people my nationality until late. This is because I found it so fascinating how people are interested in "you" without the prejudice of race being involved. Interestingly people always keep asking and guessing and never getting it right BECAUSE of their prejudicial assumptions. I'm a light-skinned 1/4 Indian Jamaican, and being born and raised in Jamaica in my small community, there were all races. But race wasn't an issue in my community. Out of Many, one people - Jamaican national motto. The first time I personally experienced racism It was bizzare because the person got my race wrong, but it was the principle that mattered. Since the dawn of time, not a single moral dilemma has been solved.
JazakAllah Khayran again
Racism is in the community.
Guess what, it is real, it is here.
This is Typically Culture.
I remembered When I move To Dallas Texas for the deen. I Was volunteering in one masjid and soubhanAllah after becoming the director of domestic Violence for a short time , one sister told me Well sister they Will not accept you, You are too dark..
I am African by origin, cannot change it but Allah put Knowledge where He Want and How He Want it.
The worse stereotype is When you go To the masjid , Some sisters Usually asked , sister what do you do? Sister what does your husband do ? When you say that I am not married wow .....
It is culture. I usually Smile .
It is hard for black sisters in the community To find a stable man within the community.
Now black hijaby Women are dating non muslims or if you cannot do that like my case the best plan is to suppress that desire of being intimate and having a sephered. Do I Want To Get married yes but I am patient , I Will never Give up. If not meant To be I asked Allah To be a wife of ya Omar IBN Khatab after I live more than 100 years 😊🙏🏿🤲 In Jannah firdaus there is no prejudice
May Allah guide us All and support us.
By the way I volunteer in thé community , I seen it and address it To local leaders.
Alhamdullilah, Allah Kareem.
This remind the time of Jahilia.
During matrimonial Event, the first choice is Their own, then White, then Spanich.
Black.... heinnnnn
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Very nice episode, masha Allah. I am not on FB so I leave my comments here. Sisters, I haven't experienced true racism, yes, I've received dirty looks from ppl of different races and a few snarky comments in my life, but to be completely honest, I was born from Muslim revert parents, homeschooled and we were raised on our own land in the country so Alhemdulillah we were safeguarded from the ills of racism. As an adult, my husband and I now do the same with our children; we homeschool them, and live in the country bc city life just isn't ideal for a Muslim family trying to live an Islamic lifestyle. It's horrible to know that so many people simply cannot pull their minds up enough to practice basic Islam; the holy last messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم abolished racism in his final sermon, and if we are to truly love him, we must practice what he has taught us.
May Allah protect you all and your families and all those who help spread this message of deen al Islam.
Maa Sha Allah thanks for sharing your experiences and may Allah accept your Du'a
edit, the word holy can have more then one application, so i guess i can be more open to its different uses!
I have so much love and Respect for your work great topic
Thanks for your inspirants thoughts
I enjoy these topics ladies! May Allah give you barrakah for doing this amin! And BTW LAYINKA is a beautiful name mashaAllah beautiful sister with a beautiful name!
Love this topic. My moms white and my dads black I was born In america but my husband came from Asia and we live in NYC. While my is one of the most diverse racism is still alive & well in the community. It goes both ways his people hate 2 see hin with me and my people judge and laugh as to why im with an Asian man smh may allah help change everyone's heart
Salam alikum sisters, I love your show!
I embraced Islam about 10 years ago, and I did experience racism, I found out that because of your age you can be discriminated because can not procreate, I found out it was very hard to find a brother to marry. You can be discriminated because you do not have money, and so on. In my experience sisters did not want to touch me when as masjid and during prayers.
People gossiping and some in front of your face and talking in their language to others about you. To only find out later of this because someone felt bad about comments someone said. This is from sisters that you consider sisters in faith, from someone that prays on time and shows fear of Allah.
I honestly this made me walk away from the Umah and will not face anyone anymore. Silently moved on, even that I still hear things that people make up. Sadly I miss being a Muslim in a community when at some time everything felt so good; I felt I was accepted and not rejected. I no longer see anyone of them, I do my business ( pray and do fasting on Ramadan) alone. I can not trust them and can not excuse them. I am good to myself and Allah and that is enough, even if sometimes someone will say that is not ok to be far from them. I learn that Q’uran does not allow Muslims to behave that, I think one of the things I loved when I first read Q’uran was this, we all are equal. But it is hard to face these people with double face.
Asalam alaikum sister, Alhamdulillah we are having these difficult uncomfortable talks. Watching this episode though i feel like the two darker sister ( please excuse me i forgot your names) but the revert sister seems more honest with her feelings about Race, the others to me came out as trying to express themselves safely, without the risk if projecting themselved as the typical anger defensive black woman! As a black person to say that since you haven't personally experienced racism you don't feel a burning fire is to me being safe, i live in Italy for 10 years, my experience has been Alhamdulillah wonderful maybe innthe course of these 10 years i have only had less than 5 faily stupid racial discrimination, yet i burn ache and suffer because i know my experience is an exception and not a rule.
wow spot on sister
The only problem is language barrier we will never cooperate it’s good we marry people who understands each other it’s not all about racism I just came to know that to understand that but the reality is language barrier
Can we have one episode touching on colourism?
I really respect Aliya she really is a great human being with a big heart
Sadly racism is evrywhere and this topic need to be discussed within families and friends... most important within ourselves. we assum and generalize action of one person or some people to identify other races and i see many peole in sosial media trying to go aganist racism but then end up being racist! May Allah guide us all
Layinka’s logic is literally I’ve never been a victim of racism so I’m not really and about it... but if she ever did become a victim of it, she would be the one running to black people wondering how this still happens. That’s just so weird to me. Also Sumayah not seeing herself as black is so insulting. The only person that made sense to me was Aliyah.
It’s not insulting. Black is a color and so a human being shouldn’t be reduced to a color after all in reality of physical features, she isn’t black but there are people who would describe themselves as black because their color is literally black which is perfectly fine although that person shouldn’t reduce themselves to a color because the human body and the skin is so complex that what appears black maybe a well be dark brown with varying patches of different colors and pigmentations.
@@kudrah wow.....i have a headache from reading this, particularly the last part....
Human beings shouldn't be reduced to just a color true but we live on planet earth where humans are judged on dumb things like skin color. Aliyah gave the perfect example of a black man who could have a degree, a great job and good person but when presented he is judged on what? his colour! stupid af!
What is insulting about it🤦♂️
Give me a definition of black with all shades and tones
@bramejm firstly this was not to you
And secondly this is just ridiculous. She made good points and if you were truthful, you would ask her about a clarification rather then make such huge accusations against your sister.
Interesting - the way I understood what Sumayah was saying was that she identifies first as a Muslimah wearing a hijab and that is what sticks out first . Not her skin tone . Especially being in the western world where there’s many different skin colors ... the thing that sets her apart the most is her hijab and how she dresses ( modestly ) .
BaarakaAllahu feekunnah. I must say that we as individuals and as Muslims we must start with ourselves first and then our family, them our community, and so on and so. For example I live in the most diverse nation and city in the world NYC, USA. And there are so much hate, bigotry, racism, and even prejudice within the same race and beyond. For example, I have seen prejudicness between different ethnic groups in my community, ie for instance between different Africans. Or an African American being judged and discriminated because he or she are AAmerican by other Black folks or for instance if a person of African descent happens to be in an South Asian neighborhood and gives salaams to an Asian Muslim. 7 out of 10 they will not get the salaams back. This is not a made up story, I have and continue to experience these kinda of behavior everytime my zawj n I go to the market in that community. For me, I am a first generation African Muslims living in USA and my zawj n I and a all group of homeschoolers families in my community has made it a point to teach our kids about being just and not being racist or etc. Cause at the end of the day, like Allah taalaa said in Surah AL Iimraan 102. O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam. This is one of the very aayah important that we teach our kids in our community. May Allah taalaa aide us all aameen
I agree, its due to south asians with their sufism they have broken off into sufi cultism and doesn't know how to be with the general masses of Muslims, they don't take information back to Quran and Sunnah but many weak hadiths and have extremism with imams, each dividing like in Quran 9,31! not all are like that who know the Sunnah!
Alhamdulillah for this topic
☺️. The side-eye from Aaliyah in the beginning was priceless 😁
Racism involves race and power structure. You can’t be racist against white people. You can be prejudiced but not racist. Reverse racism is not a thing. That said, thank you for discussing these things. I think Muslim communities would benefit greatly from extensive and recurring education about racial biases and systemic/institutional racism. Aliyah, I am the same way. Injustice sets my behind on fire and I can’t keep quiet.
Nia Pgn You can be racist against white people if the power structure do not favor them. Reverse racism does exist.
Comes from a base of prejudice rather than racism. You will then discriminate based of that
I recently started watching this channel, and I throughly enjoyed it so far. This episode kinda disappointed me. Only Aliyah seemed to touch on some of the real issues that goes on in the Muslim community, in terms of Racism.
Now I have no intention to attack the other 2 hosts, as they have every right to have their own opinion.
With that being said, racism is real, I’ve seen it and experienced it, multiple times.
My goodness I wish I could tell all the stories, and how we could all be contributing to racism if we are not willing to tackle it and acknowledge it’s there.
Its not a very serious discussion is it?
I watched this video a while back. It's great these videos came out. When I watch these videos, its amazing how many light-skinned Muslim STILL feel the need to DEFEND their anti-black feelings, like, what could make you think its acceptable to treat other people with disrespect?
Born in Sénégal and have been to morroco for university studies. I can assure you that this topic is deep and racism need to be adressed in the muslim community. Even inside a mosquee, there are People Who do not want to see a coulored person standing near them....
One sister is not clear that she’s black and the other sister is oblivious.... both seem more committed to fitting in than being honest. At least the moderator keeps it real.
Tauheedah Muhammad Mmmm!
Salaam alaykum Sister I enjoyed your talk love from Brum
Al salaamu alaikum. I want to say thank you for this platform to discuss issues in the community. I recently discover and enjoy your talks. I like if you tell us your professional backgrounds and I might have missed from your previous episodes. To come back on this topic, it was much needed one . And I thought aliyah point of view feelings were more clear and honest. Jazakallah . And I want to respond to people saying how come the two sisters didn’t experience racism, as black person living in America for all my adult life I couldn’t think time I encounter racism. I’m sure I have had , I just couldn’t remember on top of my head. And lastly I want to say sumaya I wait for your take and responses , they are smart and deep😍❤️❤️.
The “mixed” sister is a warrior for justice and a great Muslim woman. May Allah (saw) blessed her
Hate is a poison in the heart. 💛🧡 I hope things get better for ya'll.
The sister talks about about colour picking withing the advertisement industry. Well commercial advertisement industry seems to go more towards picking the lightest black woman or man. This industry pays way more than the high end modeling industry which favours darker skin women or men but with less pay. Thought id add that as info
Not even halfway through this episode but yes I love the idea of "creating your own table" as a reverted Muslimah and that racism is a big concern in the Muslim Ummah within the different ethnic Muslim groups however this makes a point about their state of faith as weaker than their cultural mindset as we have witnessed many more Reverts have inter-racial marriages as they are on the True Path.
I really appreciate this channel
I wouldn't mind at all if it was an hour long.