TV Shootout - Here's The 𝗕𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗧𝗩 𝗼𝗳 𝟮𝟬𝟮𝟯 as Voted by Experts in A Blind Test
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- Our 2023 TV shootout between the LG G3, Panasonic MZ2000, Samsung S95C & Sony A95L.
All competing TVs were 55 inches in screen size, and were calibrated in SDR and HDR modes to the common standards used within the film and broadcast industry, perceptually matched to a Sony BVM-HX310 dual-layer LCD mastering monitor. Thanks to Mr Maciej Koper who flew in from Poland to help with the calibrations.
All the TVs were masked, so the 13 video professional judges (mostly from TV & film production company Fulwell73) didn't know which TV was which when scoring different picture attributes.
Thanks to Fulwell73 for letting us use their outstanding facility for the shootout. The results neither represent the opinions or views of the company, nor do they constitute the endorsement of any individual TV brand, since the judges didn’t even know which TV was which throughout the voting process.
Thanks to UK electrical retailer Crampton & Moore for supplying the TVs & organising the shootout. If you're interested in purchasing a new TV, even if it's not the LG G3, Panasonic MZ2000, Samsung S95C or Sony A95L, please support this channel by considering buying from Crampton & Moore... call 0113 244 6607 or email david.conner@cramptonandmoore.co.uk
Thanks to HDMI 2.1 cable manufacturer Zeskit for supplying all the HDMI cables used at the shootout. Visit zeskit.com/dis... to get 5% discount (valid until 31 December 2023).
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The uncalibrated category was such a boss move! Thank you for thinking of 90%+ of users.
@TheRealJohnHooper99.9%+ It was a nice gesture, but very very few people calibrate their tv’s, and of the ones who do, very few of the calibrators are anywhere near good at their job.
He have to prioritize calibration because of his job, so it is natural the focus on it, but was very nice of him giving us the information without any calibration too.
But more uncalibrated categories would have been even better
Calibration of TV is so overrated it is not funny.
@@tom11zz884 spoken like someone who has never had it done
This is arguably the best honest TV-shoot without bias..
Again Vincent has proven why he is the master of TV-reviewing!
the shootout that had bias Sony won. the shootout without bias Sony won
maybe there isn't as much bias as you think
@@vlcheish double blind test from hifi germany and tv shootout from cobra france puts sony after the s95c
@@Inmediovirtusexactly, they knew which brands were.
@@Inmediovirtus and yet the blind german shootout contradicts the french shootout completely with the panasonic being #1 in critical categories 🤣
@@vlcheish Dang it!
I'm glad Vincent changed the format and shows the scores for all the categories on all TVs instead of just a summary of 1st and 2nd place which was not that useful. Major improvement
Probably your best score sheet presentation to date, I really liked that you showed the shootout footage with the scores at the bottom. Well done shootout
This is brilliant. I appreciate the transparent scoring process. Well done!
There is one *flaw* although you just say it's a weakness that really can't be overcome without a lot of effort and energy and likely expense. The displays should be randomized for location between tests. I suspect as the shootout went on, bias starts to develop towards certain sets that stayed in a certain spot. Judges develop suspicion of what is what and that can sway perceptions. Again I think you did a tremendous job and am grateful for the results. Well done Vincent!
Even if they like some specific screen... They don't know who is the manufacturer
@@tenborckBias is still bias.
That's the point that the OP was trying to make.
I agree, you wouldn’t even have to physically move the TV’s; just swap their labels.
Sounds like they would be better off getting diff sets of judges for each thing vs playing musical chairs with the TV, and accidently messing one up in the process
Yes, finally, the score table we've been wanting! Thank you Vincent. Absolutely gutted the 908 wasn't available for this test, ridiculous Philips were so late to release this year.
From the 908 reviews I've read along with the recent blind OLED Shootout in Germany for all TVs the Phillips would have been last place. Agree would have been nice but not a big deal. Very good TV but gonna have a hard time getting past most of these TVs in critical shootout.
Agreed.
908 would've been destroyed
THEY ALWAYS RELEASE LATE TBF
@@SheikhRZTalukder Yes but we just want to see it happen and get some additional insight along the way. Well, some of us do, not sure about you.
This is an excellent non-biased shootout. All the facts are presented brilliantly here - so well done to Vincent and the reviewers!
For myself, I have just purchased an LG G3 65 inch - as I couldn't justify paying the extra 1500 Francs for a Sony A95L. I am very happy with the TV and it's a massive step up in quality from the LG C1 77 inch I had before.
Keep up the good work Vincent!
Wait? You went down in size?😱
How do you feel about going down from a 77" to a 65"?
@@floz9718 Yes. Only because the 77 inch TV was too large for the viewing distance I have in the living room. There’s only so much neck cranking I can do in one gaming session 🤣
Suffice to say, the G3 65 inch is a lot better match for my living room’s dimensions 👍🏻
@@flybriur Feels pretty good actually. A lot more comfortable on the eye, due to how close I am to the TV when gaming or watching sports (as detailed in my previous reply) 👍🏻
@@warnerrj79 Unless you are strapping it to your face, there is no such thing as too big! Blasphemy!!
(and here in the states the 77" g3 is $1500 less than the sony which is 42%. Would rather have the Sony for the HDR performance but that premium isn't worth it).
great work, thank you!
A possible source of bias, but impractical prob to correct, is that the TVs look to be in the same physical position across tests. So an early positive or negative impression in the test might color the opinions on later clips. Theoretically I think they should be shuffled each time the judges leave the room, and be hopefully sufficiently masked that they coudn't even see which one was which. But that sounds impractical and I'm not sure there even is any observable trend of that kind in these scores anyhow.
Thanks Vincent and crew. Seems like it was another comprehensive comparison. I appreciate the effort you put into this.
Same essential results here in the US Test with Value Electronics. I have some lingering thoughts and additional thoughts on the 8K television tests we did as well. But yes, the Sony is the best when taking all into account. But the good news with both tests producing similar results is nobody is crazy :)
Did you also threw Dolby Vision under the bus?!
LG and Samsung make to many cheap budget TV models hence have more market share only reason because in high end they lose.
@@RobertK1993 Samsung and LG have Plasma quality. Only Sony makes REAL tv's with quality
Vincent you are the best! UNBIASED, PRO analyzer and reviewer. Thank you for your work!
I would like to express my personal gratitude to the participants who demonstrated exemplary honesty in evaluating televisions, adopting a scientific approach akin to a blind test. I also wish to extend my thanks to the University of Bordeaux and the Bordeaux region, not only for their academic contributions but also for their exceptional wines!
With the LG G3 getting so close but being much cheaper one could argue it’s a better value proposition that is more attainable for most. Especially when considering its extended feature set.
Yes you got to pay a hefty Sony tax
Samsung S90C is the best value
What? This suggests the g3 isnt good value vs samsung
The Samsung came the closest to the Sony, even beat it in some categories, and is way chair than the LG. So this doesn't show that the LG is more worth it, but that Sony, but also the LG are overpriced. And I'm not an LG hater, I do also own a smaller LG OLED TV.
The Swedish calibrator "Laxpudding" (at SweClockers) says there is an important use case most calibrators are not looking into and that is how the TV performs with SDR content in a very dark room. He says that G3 calibrated at 100 nits will have a poor result compared to C3 at 100 nits. The TV must perform with HDR content as well as SDR content. What do you say about this?
Du er girig ! ;)
@@gunnarsandberg8132 Ja det har du rätt i. Jag är vetgirig! ;)
How does it have poor result? And why?
@@Cuthalu Black crush. I believe it's because G3 is brighter in the highlights and for some reason that affects the results in the other end. That's all I got, but I could hint you to the Swedish forum post. I could probably find it.
I think variance would be a useful statistical metric to list in your scores. Giving us a metric of how closely the TVs performed to their average. Great work as always, my S95C is at 1248 hours to date and am still very happy with it!
I don't know how you calculate your final score but I did a few calculations for the G3, S95C, and A95L. The G3 is the most consistently performing of the three listed here and a quick look puts the Panasonic with a variance like the S95C and A95L.
G3 Average = 3.75
G3 Sum = 105.07
G3 Variance = 0.1
S95C Average = 3.82
S95C Sum = 107.06
S95C Variance = 0.25
A95L Average = 3.94
A95L Sum = 110.32
A95L Variance = 0.27
Hello Vincent, you probably know this, but the new steam deck has an oled screen. It does HDR (they claim 1000 nits peak brightness) and it even does have HDR pictures analysis tools with graphs and other stuff. I know it's not a TV but it could make for a fun and informative video ;) . Cheers.
Whilst not a perfect assessment process this is certainly a much more realistic test comparison. Appreciate the effort and thought that went in to this👏
If you've already bought your TV today on sale before watching this video, and it's one of these four, go ahead and stop watching it now. There's a 75% change you did not buy the "best" one, and a 25% chance you bought the "worst".
Enjoy your TV as even the worst of this bunch is still the best in the business. Unless you decided to have 2 or more TVs side-by-side in your living room, you'd never even notice the difference, and you'll be happy with any of these.
ive got the same mindset but still indecisive if its worth it paying an extra premium for dolby vision over hdr10+
This is why i bought a S95C, bang for the buck its the best high end TV right now. I only care how good it is for two months before i buy it and two months after i buy it. After that it is just my TV and my future bedroom TV. 👍
Be careful, they are faulty and need repairs often, pray you don’t get a lemon
@@tracer073 If its faulty then i am done with Oled, i had an LG with that pink tint issue and i promised myself i would never buy another. Apparently The QD Oleds do not have the banding, uniformity and pink tint issues but the good thing is i need two TVs, one to replace my bedroom and one for the living room. So next years black Friday i might be buying an LED.
Great Test...I personally thought LG seemed the most consistent, never embarrassing itself in any category and probably not the best in many either... But the best for most use case scenarios.
If Sony is too expensive next on the list for me would be the g3 I would recommend ppl to buy
Quantum TV can learn a thing or two from Vincent about reviewing TVs instead of his incessant and insufferable bashing of Sony TVs in almost all his videos.
I’m on the fence about his videos. I bought a Sony A95K not too long ago. While it looks stunning, the motion really is not very good.
I dont understand how anyone can call them the best at motion.
Please don't even put Quantum TV and Vincent in the same sentence.
Quantum is an absolute buffoon. 😅
I cannot agree with you, different perspective is helpful.
Most normal folks prefer vibrant colors and soapopera over correct colors and natural motion.
In fact I got 77S90C, my friend got 65A95L, a lot of times, difference is splitting hairs.
In sports Samsung has better motion, even this test confimred this, my friend and I also confimed that A95L actually has more artifacting than S90C, just like Qunatum says in some of his latest videos.
Taking all personal aspect out of this debate, he has a point and he is being shamed for it by cancel culture.
@@stevestifler4693 Completely false and we have no idea what settings/firmware you are running. If you want to upload a video disproving every single Sony review please by our guest but there are tons of reviews and shootouts all saying the Sony motion is top notch.
@@KryssN1 He doesn’t just have a “different perspective”, he has an agenda. He is so obsessed with bashing Sony that he even trips over himself with many of his comments. He even bashed Sony’s audio and eulogised over Samsung’s audio which is absolute BS. No TV is perfect and no one is claiming that Sony is, not even Vincent and certainly not in this video. You’ve got a "friend" who has the Sony while you have the Samsung, well I have all 3 and I can tell you, even from a layman’s point of view that Sony is the overall best TV. That doesn’t mean that Sony’s cost is justified as no one can make that assessment except an engineer at Sony who partook in manufacturing the tv, is aware of all the cost of the parts and all the work put into making the TV, as well as the TV’s. Yes, Sony is indeed very very expensive and will not be affordable to most but that doesn’t degrading the product.
The bottom line is buy the TV that you can afford and that suits your own needs and ignore other TVs and videos reviewing other TVs if it irritates you hearing about anything other than Samsung
Sony A95L. There saved you a click 😉
Quantum TV doesn't approve this message 😂😂😂😂
@@gustavobarandas2012that clown still exists ?
@@cezarc7937 yes, and he is claiming the A95L reviews are bullshit and it is a flawed TV lol
You still have to click to see the comments
😂
Great job and when you have time, do a video on the best settings G3? 😎👍
The bottom line is that none of these sets are bad....far from it. But it's interesting to see a test done as blind as he could make it with a group of people who job it is to work in video and color all day.
Bottom line is - SONY A95L is the best T.V.
@@26101976bdm lol and rightly so considering how much it costs
Well I am actually pretty sad. My LG C1 which I bought in 2021, is already a hot pile of steaming garbage.
@@dudemanismadcool Lol. That makes my LG E6 (2016) way below that.
@@26101976bdm as Not really considering how the S95C wing in certain categories and can be adjusted to hit 2,000 nits so either is basically reference
Brilliant Vincent fantastic results and what I expected . love your comparison and shoot outs especially the way you do them you are by far the best tv CZcamsr on here
I think it would be interesting if at the end you tell them the model names that participated and let each one guess which is which - and then show how many guessed correctly in your table (and maybe collect what reason they used to choose which tv is which). This could show how “characteristic” the TV’s images look and maybe give us interesting insights in “problems” (LGs transparent (american) football in motion smoothing) or outstanding qualities of TV manufacturers. :)
Thanks for doing those shootouts - always super interesting. Wouldn’t mind even deeper analysis - maybe with interviews (highlights) of the judges. :-))
That was the best action for the consumers. Thank you, Vincent
I feel very happy as an owner of s95c. Such a great tv
My A90J still going strong 💪🏾
Mine, too. Awesome TV! 💪🏼📺
Mine as well. I purchased the 65" online from Walmart, Black Friday deal for $1,398.
Best TV I ever owned.
Same here!
Mine crapped out after 15 months.
Vincent :"However please remember that no TV...."
Me: "Was harmed during the making of the video?"
Lol
I wish there were more categories with uncalibrated Filmmaker Mode
Judging from left to right as 1 till 5 and Sony's Mastering Monitor as 3 in the middle: Watching this, i always love 5 the most and 1 the least.
Trying not to compare to the monitor but loving my eyes judging the tv's.
5 looks warmer and almost more red/purple and 1 looks cooler and more bluish and whiter.
5 looks like the monitor in colors the most.
The monitor looks the darkest.
Wow that A95L is a heck of a TV. Glad to have the 77inch coming to my house next week. I’m so excited.
you find a deal or paying the full msrp? Would like to order it but only see it for full price here and can't justify it vs. g3 that is $1650 (including tax) less.
@@curtisbme it's simple, you just cannot justify it. If you want best OLED TV right now for performance/price ratio, it is G3.
@@vesnaCZ No, I can't as something that is slightly better in some ways but costs a very large percentage more isn't worth it for me. But that wasn't my question. I was asking if they had found a deal as that might make it worth it for me and others if there was a place not to pay full msrp.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thanks Vincent !
I’ll have to give more credit to the German shootout. I mean they literally have someone who worked to create the 4K movie format and won an Emmy for it. That’s top notch credibility
There’s no way anyone would pick the S95C next to the LG G3 and Sony A95L unless they are in calibrated modes or their eyesight is terrible. Switch to Cinema Mode and the G3 smokes the S95C overbrightening highlights but that’s what you paid for, right?. Otherwise the G3 is almost indistinguishable from the C3 and you wasted all your money…
The A95L wins with its superlative processing, skin tones, and mini contrast even though it’s less bright but the S95C looks out of place side-by-side.
I was at a Costco with 2 S90Cs next to 2 X90Ls (yep, you read it right). I couldn’t believe the X90L’s picture quality. No wonder everyone is recommending it. I expected the S90C to rule supreme but the content favored the X90L with no micro contrast or low light scenes.
Much better than VE shootout in the US! They should learn from Vincent and his format but I don’t think they will change as that owner of VE calls all the shots😂
Lol, this is the 3rd comparison with reference I watched and this 3rd one with a different winner. I don’t know what to think anymore 🤣🤣
What are the others?
@@NamesAreVacuousLook for cobraTV and Stop the FOMO channel. Every time a new TV wins
@@NamesAreVacuousThe A95L came 4th in the German blind shootout (G3 won), and 2nd in the French Shootout (S95C won). This just proves there is no so called “best TV” each of them are great.
@@elmousse007 No, ignore all other tests. This and value electronics are the ones that count.
Because they're all subjective opinions rather than objective. The Panny came out top last year (HDTVTest) for movie watching with Sony a close second. Panny is now bottom. The MLA panel has improved the LG but worsened the Panny 🤷🏻♂️. Panny do have major issues with unstable HDR playback though, both LZ and MZ models in my experience.
Events come a long way since I was involved in the first one 😂 hope you’re well Vincent.
Thanks for these shootout results. It's a close match! The one surprise for me is that the Panasonic came in 4th (but as a U.S. resident I needn't feel deprived of purchasing their flagship model). Oddly enough I might opt for the 3rd-place LG G3 - due primarily to price considerations. I'd love to own the Sony A95L, but I'm a retiree on a modest budget and it pains me a little to pay $2500 for a 55" TV. The Samsung S95C is very reasonably priced but I'm a bit worried about the build quality (I've had top-of-the-line Samsung products in the past that didn't last - I admit my personal experience is a "small sample size"). LG OLEDs are affordable and they seem to work reliably for years. I realize other buyers will make choices totally different from mine!
Plus the LG G3 comes with a standard 5 year warranty.
I'm thinking the same thing. I've seen too many Samsung products fail right outside the warranty period that I can't justify purchasing one even though they're obviously outperforming LG OLEDs. Maybe I'll give them a shot in 5 years when I"m in the market for a TV again.
@@laneweaver3562 I got 5 year warranty for free on my 77 inch Samsung S90C because I might be the only one in my small town to buy that TV and the store owner did everything to sell it to me after I mentioned quality control issues reported on the internet.
My other TV is LG C2 and S90C is so much better even though S90C is slightly cheaper than LG C3 at every store I have been to. I might still return it for S95C because S95C looks so good mounted on the wall with a no gap wall mount. I am just worried about blackout issue people have been reporting because of the one connect box.
The 55" g3 is $1,800 right now. Though I'd get at least the 65" as that is 10 extra inches for only $500 as it is $2,300. Just need to add in another $100 for a stand (which is stooopid).
@@curtisbme I agree with you about the bizarre decision that LG keeps making, year after year, forcing buyers of their flagship G-series OLED model to pay EXTRA for a stand that's not included. It's a ridiculous marketing strategy.
It’s worth pointing out that all of these TVs have a phenomenal picture. I recently purchased an LG G3 heavily discounted. As a Sony fan I just couldn’t justify the AUD $2200 cost difference, and the lacking HDMI 2.1 ports. Side by side in the store, the picture is very close on all. Buy the one you can afford, you’ll be happy with any one of them.
what is the best screen size?
@@imranhq13 Technically the best screen sizes are 55", 65" and 77" (the 83" doesn't have MLA) ... besides from that it depends on the given or planned viewing distance ;-)
@@marcuscole8796 i can only afford 55" can't go beyond that but i love big screens
This intro to the video was amazing
Thanks for the shootout results. So Sony won due to its color accuracy and video processing while Panasonic scored last.
Disappointing to see the low luminance color issues of the A95L. Last year's A95K has the same problems. Sony gotta figure this out since the S95C doesn't have them.
Also, with 3 out 4 TVs supporting DV, it's a shame that you couldn't do a DV category. The A95L seems to have some DV issues as well and these kinds of videos are the best way to motivate the manufacturers to do some fixing.
@yappa6222: Dolby Vision tonemaps to the capability of each display (through EDID detection) using Dolby's own "black box" algorithm, so to extract the best Dolby Vision performance from each Dolby Vision-capable TV for comparison purposes, we would have to feed one separate Dolby Vision source (e.g. Apple TV or 4K Blu-ray player) to each Dolby Vision TV, which would have taken too much time and effort. Even streaming Dolby Vision content from each TV's internal TV apps would take ages to set up due to syncing and internet bandwidth issues.
Trotzdem hört man das der A95L Probleme mit Dolby Vision hat.
Indeed, to 99.5% of us, wine tastes like wine. We can note differences, but few of us can identify the "better" wines from among a group. We can choose a favorite on a given day, but three days later we're likely to sample the same group and choose a different favorite. It's the same with TVs. In fact, with most content, most of us can't even select the "better" technology. It's not surprising that the Sony TV was judges closest to the reference monitor--also a Sony.
Thanks for your hard work, Vincent, for the only TV shoot out that matters. U the man. 😊
Thanks again for another year of TV Shootout. You are a legend.
I very happy with my S90C as PC monitor. 🖥️
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@@aaronfirat2659Samsung hater?
@@LieberMisantroph nah its just that i wouldn't buy a tv as a pc monitor
Vincent, appreciate the thorough in depth non biased review. Can you include statistical analyses and p-values (I can gladly help with it) to see if these results are by random chance or whether they are statistically significant.
I just bought s90c. It is close to s95c and costs 1100 euro...
it's a no brainer purchase 👌
8 years ago today I bought my Black Friday Sony Bravia 850D. Still going strong despite near constant daily use (especially during covid) as we have two retired couch potato in the house running it from dusk to dawn. I was surprise to see the firmware was still being updated. This tv has outlived all the cheapo big box tvs from Samsung, Vizio and LG since then. Just waiting the newer Sony OLED 55's to come down a wee bit more on price.
Yep agree I own Panasonics and find they last forever , were I know many with LG and Samsungs that breakdown. Just to add to this Hitachi ( made in Japan ) back in the day when they made great tvs my brother still as my old Hitachi widescreen led tvs and everything still works even the swivel remote controlled base
@@josephgittos3787 had to leave my Panasanic Plasma behind when I moved out of state. That puppy survived a ceiling flood from a hurricane that poured down on it without a scratch in bay window. Sold it for $100 to the cleaning lady who helped pack up all my stuff despite putting my bicycle cranks in the same box as my V-moda M100 DJ headphones. LoL. I bet that Plasma is still going strong 13 years later.
Such a well thought out competition. Now I have to save up my dollars for the Sony because it's $1500 more than either the LG or Samsung because it arrived so late in the season.
I don't care what anyone says, whatever I need the new tv you're the only one I listen to.
So Samsung S95C won if we put in consideration the huge Price difference HDMI Ports & Gaming.
well the Samsung and LG are basically identically in gaming capabilities and price so it’s not that straightforward I guess
@@putyograsseson Score wise Samsung is second to Sony.. Not LG
@@Mc-Taboo Dolby Vision and 5 year warranty is a good argument in LG's favour tho…
s90c is the budget king this year
Also their panels last way longer than sony's that burn in fast.
@@Inmediovirtus same panels... 🤦♂
@@AndrasMihalyi and different compensation cycles
@@Inmediovirtus source for your "last way longer than sony's" claim ?
@@Inmediovirtus A95L has a Heatsink and is Deuterium based this year, like G3.
Rtings burnin tests are based on A95K which isn't Deuterium.
Hey Vincent, for your next shootout (2024), can you please use a none Sony reference monitor (eg. Flanders Scientific, Canon etc) for comparison? It can’t be denied that comparing a Sony against a Sony, is a complete conflict of interest, and casts doubt over the whole exercise.
this days we need not the best tv but the cleanest. i dont care of it has great picture quality when i see banding in panning shots and dirt in 5% - 25% gray
I love dirty movies
I was expecting the Sony to win, but it's still interesting to see all the different scenarios and how each technology fairs. Will microLEDs be able to one day bring balance to the force?
Paid test by Sony .Sony has weak television sales, Sony is trying to increase sales through paid tests!!
Not from a Jedi....
I don't like sand...
@@stanko4922 if Sony brought the price down then maybe sell more units
@@stanko4922 Sony doesnt pay any reviewer, they dont have any type of referral or marketing to influencers. Samsung and LG do, and they lie a lot. Samsung and LG is plasma quality whereas Sony is real beautiful spectacular image quality.
@@stanko4922 I don't think so. In fact, everyone knows that Sony TVs are the most efficient and quality. Sony's sales are declining due to its greed and insane increase in the prices of its televisions.
You are the king of TV reviews. You give all the information one could want and then give more
They're all more than adequate and the differences between them mostly negligible. What matters is which one does the best job reducing or eliminating judder without the picture looking like a soap opera. Judder is the number one, glaring issue facing digital televisions. Whoever implements the technology to eliminate judder from any image source on the fly and without altering the picture in any other fashion other than said judder elimination will rule the industry.
Exactly. I'm more worried about the fast action scenes being rendered and not smearing plus gaming. The newest hisense and tcl are capable at like a quarter of the price.
I’d love to see a crossover between you and the GamingTech guy to judge the best TV for games !!
No need, Sony A95L would win again
Thank you boss ! Loved the intro
My guy Vincent actually said "Fellowship of the RingS". Sir, it's not plural.
Just the shadow detail lacking a tad on the Sony. Just swap with the Panasonic shadow detail and perfect 😁
Think I will wait one more year when hopefully the chipset saga is sorted and Panasonic change to QD-OLED
Panasonic is lost since their change to Mediatek.
Panasonic far from perfect with its buggy playback of HDR material. My 6 year old LG is more stable!
Big help, THX o lot for this round, 77"s95c is the way for me, better value, + more of 2.1 HDMI, you finalizing my pick 👌 great job guyes 👍👏
In a surious German tv blind shout out test
The results are totally different
Not doubting this one just mentioning it
These had real experts, germans had fake experts
Hi Vincent, hope this comment is received well. As an owner of an A95L TV I've noticed the desaturation on my unit as well especially when I'm displaying this specific value image - RGB 16,2,2 or #100202 on fullscreen mode. I've probably found a workaround/solution that can be applied. Just go into your Adv. Color temp settings and over there turn the G-Bias to -5 or whichever highest value that you can see where the green subpixels are not wildly active anymore when viewing the above mentioned color image. Now this will produce a red hue so inorder to balance it out just match come as close as possible with your R-Bias to -4 or -5 for a neutral whitepoint. I've observed that after doing the following changes the desaturation is almost gone and you can try and play all the difficult low luminance scenes and find that there is no problem anymore. Changing this setting on all DV, HDR, SDR modes work. What my thinking in doing so was that there were almost 70-50% green subpixels active when viewing low luminance red colour as mentioned above so in theory bias settings are for luminance adjustment which led me to believe turning down G-Bias would help a bit and it really did. Hope you can maybe confirm this as well and what would be the repercussions of doing the above changes since I'm not a pro by any means
It was noted that this model suffers from severe desaturation than other sets in this test!
The Sony still with its near 2X price point than other TVs is crazy town price.
"Best" TV shootout
Not cheapest or value
It's like complaining if a McLaren wins a performance car shootout
Lol u have to pay for that calibration out of the box and acoustic panel
Sony has outlasted all my other TVs by double.
@@ArtVandelayOfficialValue is relative.
It ISN'T tied to the cheapest price or the most bang for the buck product.
Value can be paying a premium for the best quality available in any given launch year.
My main point is looking at the charts numbers and comparing them. The outcome is not to ask a 2x price compared to others, what is even more surprising is the price of the A95L 55" is doing a free fall in November. Suddenly it becomes hundreds more cheaper, "competition".
I appreciate how this comes AT THE END OF 2023, and not at the beginning or middle of 2023 like a lot of lesser journalists like to do.
In my country the LG G3 is not on black week/black friday offer. It sucks. Only C3 is. I have CX which is still good, but want more HDR pop for a good deal, but nope... 77" G3 still cost 5-6k in terms of dollars...
C3 ist genauso gut wie der G3
Ha ha the story with wine brilliant :D
I would love to see this kind of test with more low level TV's in the mix like TCL or Hi Sense just to see what the experts say.
After a careful review and examination of each TV, I was able to come up with these results:
A: Can't afford
B: Can't afford
C: Can't afford
D: Definitely can't afford.
And if you live anywhere outside Europe/Asia, you couldn't buy one of the brands even if you could afford.
Thank you for the itemized score sheet! Two things surprised me....S95C was judged to have the best motion performance and Panasonic was soundly beaten in video processing. 👀 Also, low luminance color desat is only a Sony problem?
😂
Quantum TV is God.
Yes , Sony must start using calibration below 4.6 IRE like Panasonic or LG 3DLUT , i heard that future update will add 3D LUT possibilities on A95L !!!!! Meybe than near black problems dissapear.
Sony didnt have a problem. They are the most accurate in everything
Apart from shadow detail it seems. There looks to be quite the difference between Sony and the top scorers in that are area.
Thank you for sharing the whole score table so everyone can do their weighted winner depending on individual preferences/use case 🙏
I'm happy that I went for the Samsung this black friday. I had a really hard time choosing between between Samsung and LG just because of what I've read on motion handling, but this made me more confident.
Both great TV’s…I have the 65G3 - stunning watching Pacific Rim in 4K and also Monarch Legacy of Monsters on Apple TV+ is the best streaming show I’ve ever seen.
@@mdk9000 Wait until you see Severance, it's a freaking masterpice imo. Watched it on my laptop but is must be neat on an OLED, there's lots of contrasted scenes.
@@MrW0rDs Thanks I’ll take a look 👍is that on Apple TV?
@@mdk9000yes
well you should have got a TV with Dolby vision it's definitely better than HDR10 it's fantastic and makes blacks even better.
I was so keen on upgrading my 2009 50" plasma to a 77" A95L....but all this talk about the vertical banding... it just sounds so distracting. Guess I'll hold off for the A95M as it ticks all the boxes otherwise and I dont plan on upgrading my TV again for another 15 years lol
Dang…still rocking on my 2005 Panasonic plasma….very good for winter as it helps the room warm😅…They said before it has only 5 years lifespan and been gaming since day one..18 yrs later still here…I think it’s really time for upgrade or should I wait for 2024, 25…30 😂
You can say whatever you want about image quality on QD-OLED, you couldn't pay me to buy a non-LG OLED panel in 2023. The short and long compensation cycles and reduced burn in risk from WOLED vs QD-OLED paired with an already superb image make it an easy choice.
It would have been interesting to have the Dolby Vision capable TVs actually receive and display Dolby Vision content and comparing it to the others displaying HDR10 content.
Fully agreed ... just because of one single ignorant brand the most sophisticated format gets ignored (again) ... and this will stay for years :-(
I wonder if having a Sony reference monitor skews the results in their favour because they can use the same technologies and processing in both displays making them more similar. I'd like to see if there is a shift in scores if a Flanders or some other high end reference monitor is used.
Lol no, Sony is perfect that is why they won
The HX310's dual-layer LCD panel is so different it shouldn't matter that much.
@@luis6024Sony tvs are far from perfect. 🙄
@CuloHole best tv check. Best image quality and processing check. Best materials and build quality check.
Best CEO (Ken Yoshida) after another best CEO (Kaz Hirai) check.
Sony tvs never fail and if they do its actually a sam or lg fanboy trying to damage Sony. Just accept the truth.
you had them compare only oleds? Did you create rtings? OLED is great until you want a full outdoors scene, then it's clearly ultra dimm. why not do the full gambit? we need x90l x95l and samsung qleds etc...
Excellent test, congratulations to Sony
The Sony should be the best by a bigger margin considering the price.
Paid test by Sony .Sony has weak television sales, Sony is trying to increase sales through paid tests
@@stanko4922 No, Sony wouldnt need to do that. They have always been the king
@@stanko4922let me guess, Sony is also paying most of these CZcamsrs to say that the s90c is the best TV to buy for the money 😂😂. Classy, Fomo, BrianTech, Tech with KG all say the a95l is better but the better buy is the S90c. All the same guys that are labeled as Sony conspirators. Stop the nonsense already
@@blitzwing1 sounds like quantum
A95L best tv.
Vincent - great work!!! I truly appreciate the blind aspect of it.
For calibration, did you leave the S95C in P3 or did you choose BT. 2020 with CMS adjustments and lower color?
@j.rfrazier1855: On the Samsung S95C, we used the BT.2020 setting with lower [Colour] and CMS calibration, since P3 would introduce additional posterisation in certain scenes.
@@hdtvtest Thank you!
@hdtvtest - for the Samsung in SDR, did you need to reduce contrast from default 45 to prevent tuning/clipping? This has been the subject of a debate on AVSforum. Many state 38 is the correct value to remove tinting.
Damn that's impressive Sony. I wish they were just a tiny bit less expensive compared to LG. It's really hard to justify the premium you have to pay on Sony TVs when you don't watch them side by side every day.
Hi Vincent, one suggestion for next year: present each TV separately, one at a time, in a random order, for each judge one at a time in a predefined spot. I know this would take a lot more effort, so of course you’ll have to evaluate whether it’s worth it; it would make the test more scientific by removing the bias that could be introduced from a judge discovering which TV is which by comparing obvious signature characteristics such as viewing angle performance, full field white brightness or color saturation. It’s way easier to pinpoint those signature characteristics when the TVs are side by side. And, of course, bias can influence decision even unconsciously, so the more we remove the better.
Finally, another suggestion is to present out of the box settings in a random order (but same content for every TV) and without telling the judges that it’s out of the box settings, so that the scores will be comparable to the calibrated ones.
Thanks!
Hail to the king👑
Yeah baby
But the real winner is g3 for being within a point of the Sony while being 1500 dollars cheaper at the 77 inch size.
And havinf far less disadvantages
Lol the opening with Vincent sitting there pouring a glass is hilarious.
The test mentioned only proves that wine snobs are pretentious sheep trying to fit in. Ironically an average person would easily tell the difference between the taste of red and white wine.
Either way the overall point is still true.
Great video. I think I'll go the G3 given the sales atm and the price difference to the A95L. The sports motion worries me a little, but I'm hoping my eyes are adjusted better to LG's methods seeing as I've had a C8 since launch.
Not including a single test which compares Dolby Vision to HDR10 or HDR10+ seems like a missed opportunity. Maybe next year!
That's a good idea, I always scratch any Samsung TV off my list because of no Dolby Vision.
It is not Applea to Apple comparison in image quality. But it definitely is feature that you have to think when buying TV… for example it seems that Philips 908 is really good in dolby vision mode, but has errors is other mides that they are fixing for the next firmware uodate!
So it will have impaxt of what mkdes the TV offers and and what modes you use in each TV.
But it is not the Same as what image quality the TV can offer when using similar settings. And that is what this shoot out is all about.
Isnt dolby vision trash?
@@kaeji_namitsuaIt isn't trash but people tend to put a bit too much weight on the feature. It really isn't a big deal with current movies and current TV's compared to the good old basic HDR10. In the future, maybe but not now. Dynamic metadata is nice as an idea but unless the movie has some very extreme contrast changes between scenes it doesn't do much. And still when compared side by side the difference is tiny. It is a future technology, when we start to push beyond DCI-P3 colors and brightness way beyond what current consumer TVs can output then it starts to really matter.
@michaelmarcel1894: Dolby Vision tonemaps to the capability of each display (through EDID detection) using Dolby's own "black box" algorithm, so to extract the best Dolby Vision performance from each Dolby Vision-capable TV for comparison purposes, we would have to feed one separate Dolby Vision source (e.g. Apple TV or 4K Blu-ray player) to each Dolby Vision TV, which would have taken too much time and effort. Even streaming Dolby Vision content from each TV's internal TV apps would take ages to set up due to syncing and internet bandwidth issues.
I just purchased the 65" A95L are there any particular changes i should make in the setting? Have you made a video with calibration recommendations? Thank you so much for your help and all the great content!!
Wow, Panasonic coming last?! 😮 how much of this is due to the particular panel however is hard to know!
Or the fact that Sony paid them.
Panasonic mz 2000 è il migliore tv al mondo per vari motivi , 18 casse in alta definizione incorporate nel tv , poi impianto di dissipazione pazzesco , e altro ...se poi dobbiamo giudicare la qualità delle immagini, g3 in testa , poi panasonic mz 2000
I own both an LG OLED 65B7P and an 77"cx 😂 my 65B7P is on its second screen due to burn in from CNBC. Unfortunately, the second screen which fortunately LG replaced for free under warranty, has become burned in again and out of warranty. I'm debating between the Sony A95L, LG G3, or the LG G4 or Sony newest high-end oled for 2024. I'm just concerned about burn in, and I also play a Sony Playstation 5 and watch a lot of Netflix movies. I'm unsure which 65-inch tv to get. Suggestions 😊
All excellent. In other words, buy whatever is cheapest, or satisfies your vice. In terms of value, Samsung reign supreme. I was shocked at upscaling scored, and LG coming in very close to Sony. However the G3 price is eye tearing. Out of the box, Samsung shockingly was far ahead of the rest. Kudos to Samsung for making an outstanding set AND finally crashing OLED pricing, even though many brands are holding out and consumers continue to pay their exorbitant prices. Thank you Vincent for making this shoot out!
Considering how much more the A95L is than the G3 and S95C, this is really a win for those two TVs based on price vs performance.
S95c is the real king on this blind test. Having a reference master sony monitor is well..
And gaming was not included. Also the price is much cheaper on the s95c i would rather pick the s95c as the budget value king and out of the box beast.
The TV with the backlit remote WINS!!!
ALWAYS!
So we know which TV is best when set to Hdr10, does this mean it's also the best when set to Dolby vision?
@jaseamondo: Unfortunately we could only test HDR10, since Dolby Vision tonemaps to the capability of each display (through EDID detection) using Dolby's own "black box" algorithm, so to extract the best Dolby Vision performance from each Dolby Vision-capable TV for comparison purposes, we would have to feed one separate Dolby Vision source (e.g. Apple TV or 4K Blu-ray player) to each Dolby Vision TV, which would have taken too much time and effort. Even streaming Dolby Vision content from each TV's internal TV apps would take ages to set up due to syncing and internet bandwidth issues.
@@hdtvtest completely understandable explanation, thanks very much.
However as a consumer would and should the lack of Dolby vision or HDR 10+ for that matter be a factor in your purchase decision?
Would you yourself purchase one of these sets over the others purely on where it finished in the rankings and regardless of which formats it did or didn't support?
Ps I'm a huge fan of what you do and this is a genuine question I think maybe I'm not alone wondering about.
@@jaseamondoDV performance is a big factor for me given the amount of shows and discs in this format.
Is there a Sony model that shares the same panel as the LG G3? I believe the Sony A80L shares the same panel as LG C3.
No, there's no Sony TV with MLA panel.
Expect Quantum to mention Hdtvtest in his next 300 videox😂😂😂
All your hard work is appreciated sir.
Great shootout! I wonder how much the reference monitor scews the results tho.
That's like giving a wine drinker 4 wines + 1 reference wine then ask them to find the one that tastes most similar instead of what they think tastes best.