love the video! i'm a professional dancer, so the idea of embodied cognition feels very close to home haha. but i have noticed that they way i dance, and especially when i'm choreographing or improvising, is incredibly shaped by where i am and the people around me. like there are certain dance studios where i feel more able to make better creative choices, and the people i'm with affect the options that i feel are available to me. i feel like this is exactly what you're saying about cognition being based in time and place!
Dialectical Materialism makes a ton of sense. Joseph was a very clear writer, who unfortunately automatically gets dismissed for various other things. As if a person can only be 'good' or 'bad'. Keep up the great work fellow Marxist.
One way I have seen the diverse opinions clash is in the perception of "ad hominem" arguments. The worst version of these is ofcs unrelated character assassination of someone to run around the topic at hand but even say pointing out that a oil barron would ofcs be motivated in his reasoning to develop science denying beliefs can be counted as an ad hom argument. A materialist understands that who is making the argument is as relevant to the discussion rather than acting like a dualist trying to engage only with the argument ignoring all the context around it. It's also why liberal dualists tend to over attribute power to things like debates because they ignore that you can't just argue someone with superior logic cause logic isn't the only thing influencing what positions we hold.
Hey, just wanted to say you're probably one of the best youtubers I've come along in a good time, it's informative but also has a really good content creation side, the videos are really interesting and fun to watch, also of course, the marxist analysis we lack here on CZcams is greatly appreciated. Keep up the incredible work!
Thank you for giving the phenomenon a name: Cartesian Duality. Now I am looking that up. I was just debating with someone over whether we are the products of our environments or not and finding your video is a cool synchronicity that must have occurred because I was thinking about the topic....
I would be so lost and "dumb" without the ability to look up something on teh interwebs that I have forgotten and/or have no knowledge of... like what is the correlation of the temp in F as opposed to C... it's just so much easier. It's also kinda scary, so I also try really hard not to rely on that... don't know how that's working out, as I approach "old age"
Totally anecdotal. I earned my first degree while living in a community without Internet access. All we had were pen and paper "snail mail" letters and phone calls. I used my dictionary and desktop reference book a lot, and I relied on other people a lot more. Each of us had "specializations." Ron knew math, Miami knew style(formatting for college papers type style), Townie knew physics, etc. Used the library a lot, and got used to just accepting there is *a lot* of stuff that I don't know.
That's so fascinating. I've somehow never heard of his work before but it's very cool that he figured this stuff out before we understood the human brain to the extent that we do now! Will definitely have to learn more about his work and general semantics
You make great videos that are intellectually challenging and actually make me think. I think your channel is going to grow rapidly, you have such good content. Fellow person on the autism spectrum here. And I also like dystopian fiction but it didn't really make me think the idea of a utopia was bad, it just made me wonder, why are people talking about dystopias instead of utopias? Turned me into a bit of a utopian. Things don't always have quite the desired effect of the people in the ruling class, I've always had a passion for turning the world into as close as you can get to a utopia ever since, including the dismantling capitalism part too because, obviously it is deeply flawed and we can't have that in a utopia. I know utopia is thought to be unrealistic, but then, isn't dystopia also equally unrealistic too? So then why even read about it? But don't worry, I believe in the scientific method and doing things that are realistic in the real world. But wow that stuff about psychological research in Algeria was wild. It makes me think how the Israeli government couldn't possibly be any more self-destructive, because even the Palestinians they don't kill, they imprison and torture in large numbers and then end up releasing a lot of them again, just causing them to be more likely to be violent, the same way the French doing that to Algerians caused Algerians to be more likely to be violent against the French. If Israel had a government made up of really smart experts in how to destroy a country, who were trying to destroy Israel, they would have exactly the same policies as the Israeli government that exists that ostensibly claims to want to defend Israel but does everything humanly possible to make as many people as possible hate Israel and as many Palestinians as possible develop violent tendencies. It is really bizarre how self-destructive a society can become. Which is an example of how people in those societies are products of their environments, and if I had been born and raised there, I would have been likely to turn out the same way. I wonder what I get wrong because of the way I was born and raised. I try to correct for those potential biases I have as someone born in the United States as a cis white straight guy but who also is half-Hungarian and was raised in the Quaker religion and autistic and disabled. The part about feeling like a failure if I don't have a job that can contribute to society and earn money really hit home with me because I am on disability instead of working and I am American, and even though my mom is from Europe and I have family in Europe, actually this is a common sentiment in parts of Europe too, especially Austria where I have some close family. Austrian economics is from Austria after all, and that is the most hyper-capitalist economics of all that Ayn Rand subscribed to. Austria might actually have some socialist-inspired policies, like housing for all in Vienna, even for people with no money, but who knows how long that will last, as policies like that get rolled back across Europe and they try to become more "competitive" like the United States. Meanwhile, we in the United States are struggling to survive despite our country supposedly being the wealthiest, and that is the failed system other countries want to emulate so they can "compete" economically. When really we are a social species and we should be working together, like you said...
I hear "mind-body", I've heard Gabor Mate say "bio-psycho-social", I prefer Korzybski's coinage, "organism-as-a-whole-in-its-environments". Linguistically declaring "environment" I think is important.
Very interesting and entertaining video. I think this idea of the mind being separate to the body has to do with religious and spiritual ideas as well. To me, it doesn't seem to make sense that we could carry on into some spiritual realm after our bodies die. Our identities are intertwined with our bodies and the time and place we are in. I still believe that we do have eternal life, but that has to do with having an eternal place in spacetime. This is because Einstein proved that time, and the past, present and future are all relative.
Kind of a weird assertion that most people prescribe to substance dualism. Most people are physicalists, and even people who believe in the supernatural don't tend to think of consciousness as immaterial substance. I have a feeling that this is a product of your political ideology more than a real sociological observation (Dialectical Materialism: "Everything I don't agree with is Idealism"). Embodied cognition "solves" the mind body problems by simply flattening consciousness to being synonymous with cognition. It's fine I guess as a methodology because it often only aims to demonstrate a link between behavior and body, and for the most part not even trying to validate its primary foundation about mind-body (Just a reinvention of Behaviorism by synthesizing it with Cognitivism?) Taken to it's logical conclusion it either leads to Solipsism, or ironically back to Descartes behaviorism where bodies are purely mechanical. If consciousness is just a process that is subordinate to the body, why do we need a consciousness? Everyone might as well just be a philosophical zombie.
while i agree the first part of your rant, the 2nd part i think confuses thinking with consciousness as such, seems like she was addressing the former, not dealing with the hard problem.
I havent watched the entire video and maybe you yourself said it, but as I see it, this metaphysical view is a result of reification and commodity exchange, that is, even the dualism itself is a result of the environment. Also please never use this graphical example again 14:08, that formulation is terrible because it can still be interpreted in a dualistic/metaphysical framework. I spent too much time thinking I had got dialectics when i hadnt because of that. 16:57 what I would say is that the personal view of reality is ideological and ideology itself is a reflection of social structure, so for example, race is "subjective" in the sense that there are no biological human races, its a human creation, but its also "objective" because the social structures themselves exist and go beyond the individual. It's like, would you really go up to a slave in the 1800's and tell them race isnt "objective"? Then again I would even refrain of talking about objective/subjective as a definite distinction, the subjective is just a specific manifestation of the objective, so for example the subjective mental phenomena that you have IS at the same time a specific neural, objective, phenomena in your brain. The subjective IS objective and yet not at the same time, thats the beauty of dialectics. Or if you ask Orwell its doublethink, muh biggest brother.
I get that YT videos should be appealing, so I forgive the title not including the word "mostly" :) From a more "behavioral" perspective, I think the book Beyond Human Nature adds a lot to our arsenal in discussions that are often steered to the realm of (pseudo) science. Great video!
Окей, для начала, коммент на нулевой секунде пока я только название прочитал и всё - лично мне Декарт ничего кроме декартовой системы координат не говорил, так что, эээ, хз, вернусь-отпишусь когда досмотрю
Блин, лол, вот было вроде чего написать по итогу просмотра но в итоге в конце чисто музыка в одно ухо на последних секундах )) А так, да, классное видео👍
1:10 pretty sure you're wrong on this. twin studies, and other longitudinal show a genius will be a genius unless something pretty extreme happens during development - up to 80 percent of human traits are genetically inherited. In fact, the impact of education is pretty small
"I don't think, therefore I don't am" 😂😂🎉
Materialism and Milly? This video has it all, thank you!
Thank you for your lovely comment!😸
This is so refreshing! Cutting the noose of cartesian dualism. (Nice shoes too.)
Thank you! 😊
love the video! i'm a professional dancer, so the idea of embodied cognition feels very close to home haha. but i have noticed that they way i dance, and especially when i'm choreographing or improvising, is incredibly shaped by where i am and the people around me. like there are certain dance studios where i feel more able to make better creative choices, and the people i'm with affect the options that i feel are available to me. i feel like this is exactly what you're saying about cognition being based in time and place!
That's such an interesting observation!! I'm a pole dancer so I find what you said very relatable!
Dialectical Materialism makes a ton of sense. Joseph was a very clear writer, who unfortunately automatically gets dismissed for various other things. As if a person can only be 'good' or 'bad'. Keep up the great work fellow Marxist.
One way I have seen the diverse opinions clash is in the perception of "ad hominem" arguments. The worst version of these is ofcs unrelated character assassination of someone to run around the topic at hand but even say pointing out that a oil barron would ofcs be motivated in his reasoning to develop science denying beliefs can be counted as an ad hom argument. A materialist understands that who is making the argument is as relevant to the discussion rather than acting like a dualist trying to engage only with the argument ignoring all the context around it. It's also why liberal dualists tend to over attribute power to things like debates because they ignore that you can't just argue someone with superior logic cause logic isn't the only thing influencing what positions we hold.
Hey, just wanted to say you're probably one of the best youtubers I've come along in a good time, it's informative but also has a really good content creation side, the videos are really interesting and fun to watch, also of course, the marxist analysis we lack here on CZcams is greatly appreciated. Keep up the incredible work!
Thank you, I appreciate that!!
This is the best explanation of dialectical materialism (which ngl I realize I didn't understand very well prior to this) that I've ever heard.
Thank you!!
Thank you for giving the phenomenon a name: Cartesian Duality. Now I am looking that up. I was just debating with someone over whether we are the products of our environments or not and finding your video is a cool synchronicity that must have occurred because I was thinking about the topic....
......
I am, therefore I think
Georgeon philosopher Joseph Jugashvili 😂 I see what you did there 😂😂😂
But with all honesty, he was a great philosopher!
Lmao glad someone caught that 😂 he really was!!
"Joseb Jugashvili" 😂😂😂
I would be so lost and "dumb" without the ability to look up something on teh interwebs that I have forgotten and/or have no knowledge of... like what is the correlation of the temp in F as opposed to C... it's just so much easier. It's also kinda scary, so I also try really hard not to rely on that... don't know how that's working out, as I approach "old age"
Totally anecdotal. I earned my first degree while living in a community without Internet access. All we had were pen and paper "snail mail" letters and phone calls. I used my dictionary and desktop reference book a lot, and I relied on other people a lot more. Each of us had "specializations." Ron knew math, Miami knew style(formatting for college papers type style), Townie knew physics, etc. Used the library a lot, and got used to just accepting there is *a lot* of stuff that I don't know.
My favorite Georgian philosopher.
Same!
omg I love all your videos 💜
Thank you!! 🫶
I'm happy to see more people coming around to old ideas. Alfred Korzybski laid this out in scientific detail back in 1933. Cheers.
That's so fascinating. I've somehow never heard of his work before but it's very cool that he figured this stuff out before we understood the human brain to the extent that we do now! Will definitely have to learn more about his work and general semantics
You make great videos that are intellectually challenging and actually make me think. I think your channel is going to grow rapidly, you have such good content. Fellow person on the autism spectrum here.
And I also like dystopian fiction but it didn't really make me think the idea of a utopia was bad, it just made me wonder, why are people talking about dystopias instead of utopias? Turned me into a bit of a utopian. Things don't always have quite the desired effect of the people in the ruling class, I've always had a passion for turning the world into as close as you can get to a utopia ever since, including the dismantling capitalism part too because, obviously it is deeply flawed and we can't have that in a utopia. I know utopia is thought to be unrealistic, but then, isn't dystopia also equally unrealistic too? So then why even read about it?
But don't worry, I believe in the scientific method and doing things that are realistic in the real world. But wow that stuff about psychological research in Algeria was wild. It makes me think how the Israeli government couldn't possibly be any more self-destructive, because even the Palestinians they don't kill, they imprison and torture in large numbers and then end up releasing a lot of them again, just causing them to be more likely to be violent, the same way the French doing that to Algerians caused Algerians to be more likely to be violent against the French. If Israel had a government made up of really smart experts in how to destroy a country, who were trying to destroy Israel, they would have exactly the same policies as the Israeli government that exists that ostensibly claims to want to defend Israel but does everything humanly possible to make as many people as possible hate Israel and as many Palestinians as possible develop violent tendencies.
It is really bizarre how self-destructive a society can become. Which is an example of how people in those societies are products of their environments, and if I had been born and raised there, I would have been likely to turn out the same way. I wonder what I get wrong because of the way I was born and raised. I try to correct for those potential biases I have as someone born in the United States as a cis white straight guy but who also is half-Hungarian and was raised in the Quaker religion and autistic and disabled. The part about feeling like a failure if I don't have a job that can contribute to society and earn money really hit home with me because I am on disability instead of working and I am American, and even though my mom is from Europe and I have family in Europe, actually this is a common sentiment in parts of Europe too, especially Austria where I have some close family. Austrian economics is from Austria after all, and that is the most hyper-capitalist economics of all that Ayn Rand subscribed to. Austria might actually have some socialist-inspired policies, like housing for all in Vienna, even for people with no money, but who knows how long that will last, as policies like that get rolled back across Europe and they try to become more "competitive" like the United States. Meanwhile, we in the United States are struggling to survive despite our country supposedly being the wealthiest, and that is the failed system other countries want to emulate so they can "compete" economically.
When really we are a social species and we should be working together, like you said...
I hear "mind-body", I've heard Gabor Mate say "bio-psycho-social", I prefer Korzybski's coinage, "organism-as-a-whole-in-its-environments". Linguistically declaring "environment" I think is important.
Very interesting and entertaining video. I think this idea of the mind being separate to the body has to do with religious and spiritual ideas as well. To me, it doesn't seem to make sense that we could carry on into some spiritual realm after our bodies die. Our identities are intertwined with our bodies and the time and place we are in. I still believe that we do have eternal life, but that has to do with having an eternal place in spacetime. This is because Einstein proved that time, and the past, present and future are all relative.
People are attached to the notion of free will like they are god.
Kind of a weird assertion that most people prescribe to substance dualism. Most people are physicalists, and even people who believe in the supernatural don't tend to think of consciousness as immaterial substance. I have a feeling that this is a product of your political ideology more than a real sociological observation (Dialectical Materialism: "Everything I don't agree with is Idealism"). Embodied cognition "solves" the mind body problems by simply flattening consciousness to being synonymous with cognition. It's fine I guess as a methodology because it often only aims to demonstrate a link between behavior and body, and for the most part not even trying to validate its primary foundation about mind-body (Just a reinvention of Behaviorism by synthesizing it with Cognitivism?) Taken to it's logical conclusion it either leads to Solipsism, or ironically back to Descartes behaviorism where bodies are purely mechanical. If consciousness is just a process that is subordinate to the body, why do we need a consciousness? Everyone might as well just be a philosophical zombie.
while i agree the first part of your rant, the 2nd part i think confuses thinking with consciousness as such, seems like she was addressing the former, not dealing with the hard problem.
Debate pervert nonsense
No Doubt we are a product of our environment however I dunno I am a qualia freak enamored by the hard problem of consciousness.
BTW I know who the first philosopher is and I will let it slide.
love the fanon and gramsci stuff.
I havent watched the entire video and maybe you yourself said it, but as I see it, this metaphysical view is a result of reification and commodity exchange, that is, even the dualism itself is a result of the environment. Also please never use this graphical example again 14:08, that formulation is terrible because it can still be interpreted in a dualistic/metaphysical framework. I spent too much time thinking I had got dialectics when i hadnt because of that.
16:57 what I would say is that the personal view of reality is ideological and ideology itself is a reflection of social structure, so for example, race is "subjective" in the sense that there are no biological human races, its a human creation, but its also "objective" because the social structures themselves exist and go beyond the individual. It's like, would you really go up to a slave in the 1800's and tell them race isnt "objective"? Then again I would even refrain of talking about objective/subjective as a definite distinction, the subjective is just a specific manifestation of the objective, so for example the subjective mental phenomena that you have IS at the same time a specific neural, objective, phenomena in your brain. The subjective IS objective and yet not at the same time, thats the beauty of dialectics. Or if you ask Orwell its doublethink, muh biggest brother.
I get that YT videos should be appealing, so I forgive the title not including the word "mostly" :)
From a more "behavioral" perspective, I think the book Beyond Human Nature adds a lot to our arsenal in discussions that are often steered to the realm of (pseudo) science.
Great video!
It's weird i can't see the likes on this video.... youtube must be doing sort of bot protection hopefully it doesn't last long
great video!
Omg Milly is so cute!! 😻😻😻😻😻
She's such a sweet baby I love her so much
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Окей, для начала, коммент на нулевой секунде пока я только название прочитал и всё - лично мне Декарт ничего кроме декартовой системы координат не говорил, так что, эээ, хз, вернусь-отпишусь когда досмотрю
Блин, лол, вот было вроде чего написать по итогу просмотра но в итоге в конце чисто музыка в одно ухо на последних секундах ))
А так, да, классное видео👍
1:10 pretty sure you're wrong on this. twin studies, and other longitudinal show a genius will be a genius unless something pretty extreme happens during development - up to 80 percent of human traits are genetically inherited. In fact, the impact of education is pretty small
This is deeply misleading, the mind body problem has nothing to do with nurture vs culture. Its a subject only present on philosophy of mind.