Definitive guide to starting the ATR 42/72-600 from cold and dark in Microsoft Flight Simulator
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2023
- Following guidance finally being released on the official Microsoft Flight Simulator CZcams channel, we work through the real procedure that real pilots follow when preparing the aircraft for flight. In concert with this I have corrected the written checklist I put together on launch day - which we can now use going forward with some confidence.
Here's where you can find the checklist:
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Note that I miss out ALL of the checks that real pilots perform to ensure systems are operating correctly. This is both to save time, and in realisation that we are in a simulator where the aircraft is pretty much perfect each time we sit in it. I also don't use the built-in checklist in the EWD screen - I'll save that for another video :)
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MSFS would not be as nearly interesting without fantastic folks like yourself filling in all the gaps in information.
I'm just sharing what I'm learning as I go :)
I’m still going to have to re watch this with a note pad at hand. But this is the most concise and easy to follow tutorial I have found so far. The others I have watched people say what they are flicking on but then do it so fast I have no idea where the button was. Not you. It was good
A big thanks to you for making the time to make these guides. Id be lost without the help. Really loving msfs and made easier to learn by people like yourself. Cheers to you.
You're welcome :)
Jonathan, you certainly put a lot of effort in making this vey helpful video. Well that is an understatemt, you made a superb video together with a written checklist. Fantastic and thanks very much.
You're welcome :)
This video plus the great documentation provided by ASOBO is all you need to learn everything you want to know about the ATR72/42, thank you Jonathan, great job!!!
You're welcome :)
Hello, I’m sure others have said it but I want to thank you for all the work you’re doing to provide this type of content.
You're welcome :)
great stuff. i'm 29 and have only ever flown small GA aircraft in the past, well, almost 20 years of flight simming. but this plane and your videos could actually be the one thing i've needed to get me into bigger airplanes and learning to fly them somewhat properly.
It's good fun :)
Thx for the great guide, absolutley loving my ATR so far !
Thanks for the vids and checklists. Ive been using both to create my own single page checklist for each plane. Just walk through each video, along with checklist you have put together, and then condense it down for my own use, using some abbreviations that
later helps with location identification for switches etc. U = upper panel / C2 = column 2 / CL = center left….as an example. That takes me right to the button or switch needed, and at that point I am able to continue the flow from having previously “studied” the aircraft, which usually consists of about 3-4 weeks of non stop flying it, along with videos, checklists etc. After several week I am fairly comfortable with it and can move on to another aircraft to add to the mix
Thanks for this video. The way you explain things is so detailed and easy to follow. I've learned a lot from your videos, I appreciate it.
Cheers :)
I have watched a few videos explaining the startup and this is the best by far. Thanks !
Cheers :)
Love it ! Thanks for your research and share with us the real procedures for learning how it’s really is to fly this beautiful plane ✈️
You're welcome :)
Well done Jonathan,clears explanations!
You're welcome :)
Thank you for this fantastic guide! Helped me a lot to understand the ATR. Greetings from Vienna, Austria LOWW!
Hi :)
Thank you for your excellent guides and videos.
You're welcome :)
SUPERB TUTORIAL! Thank you from Cartagena (SPAIN).
You're welcome :)
Very clear and instructive thanks! This seems like a nice and stable plane so far.
Cheers :)
Had this plane for months, but havent taken the time to learn it yet. Its next on the list, so started with your vid. CRJ will be next. Was starting with it, but decided Ive had this one longer, so time to get to flying it. The a320 and 737 will have to be grounded for a bit.😊
Excellent tutorial . Thank you from Leicester.
AMAZING video brother!
This aircraft is great!
😃😃😃
Thank you your voice is great and the guide was very simplified ❤
You're welcome :)
Thanks!!! Easy and very clear tutorial. Hats off.
You're welcome
Thank you for this informative video, it definitely deserves more likes!
Cheers :)
Great video Sir,
I've watched the official channel on this also, very helpful.
I'm not overly concerned about the MCDU airways bugs, which I'm sure will be rectified in the near future.
There are huge positives to take from this aircraft, systems, flight model and indeed how good it looks internally and externally.
Shipping with no documentation was a slight disappointment, perhaps they will follow.
The price point however is fantastic, excellent value in my opinion.
I shall spend many hours flying Loganair Routes in this wonderful aircraft.
Great work once again Jonathan, keep em coming.
You're welcome - getting there slowly with the procedures! :)
Very concise and detailed video! One note: you accidentally turned off the left fuel pump lol, but otherwise great job!
Yep - I realised afterwards too :)
Excellent! Just in time for the weekend.
You're welcome :)
You sure have worked hard and spent time figuring this plane out. With no manual, it's a challenge.. which I know you like. I haven't purchased it yet but will soon. Getting my yoke to work with is what's holding me up but I'll eventually will.
Yeah - it appears some controllers required extra configuration to make them work.
Great job!
EWD: Engine & Warning Display
Been waiting for this video 😊
You're welcome :)
Great Video 👍
You are AWESOME! I am not sure what exactly it was but I am now, after this guide, able to actually climb without stalling or autopilot disconnecting. Now I'll just be waiting on a guide for the correct approach and landing procedures. Thank you so much, Jonathan!
Approach is fairly straightforward really - I'll do some more flights in it over the coming days and explain what I'm doing :)
Excellent video for the ATR!!!
You're welcome - getting there slowly with the procedures! :)
@@jonbeckett I bought it yesterday and viewing your video to learn to fly up that jewel. Looking for your final guide to make a full flight. Thanks you!!!!
Excellent video. Thank you.
You're welcome :)
You certainly are the best.... thanks again for making it easy
Not the best :) Just taking you along on the journey with me :)
You are our champion Jonathan thx
Hardly - but thank you :)
Great vid and fixes quite a few misunderstandings for me, thanks Jonathan
You're welcome :)
Thanks for your detailed vid....I did watch the entire vid making detailed notes all the way alomg pausing every few seconds for you to say at the end that a link to the checklist notes is in the coments...haha. Thanks once again for your simple detailed vid's.
You're welcome :)
Thank you so much. Your lesson is excellent!
It's only half the story - the real flow has lots of system checks :) Cheers though!
Awesome. Thanks, man.
You're welcome :)
Nice video, very helpful, thanks a lot !
You're welcome :)
thanks for this great video !
You're welcome :)
Fantastic video! ❤
You're welcome - getting there slowly with the procedures! :)
Thank you very much for your video!
You're welcome :)
Excellent tutorial... 😊
You're welcome :)
Thank you as ever great video.
You're welcome :)
You're the man. Thanks!
You're welcome :)
As usual thank you, I have never seen so many videos from so many people for any new aircraft. I wonder how many people have bought it?
Loads :)
thank you, very good video
Cheers :)
Thank you Jonathan!
You're welcome :)
Big help, thanks you for this..!!
You're welcome - getting there slowly with the procedures! :)
thanks a mil forthis video
You're welcome :)
Awesome job thanks
You're welcome
Safe travels
Nice little trick w turning ignition on, but keeping propeller lock on, then turning off ignition again to make one engine act as an APU- I never knew that! I was wrestling with all the electronics the other day, couldn't get my green/blue hydraulic systems going and I suspected had something to do with the AWCS being off. I did turn on the Rectifier Control Unit button like you did, messed w diff settings under battery too to try and "restart" any glitch....but was no go. Need to try again today.
You'll get there :)
@@jonbeckett worked fine second time.. I'm sure you and all others know, but I must of been late to party lol...everytime I come back from resume on my Xbox Ser X (or even few times I saved then loaded a flight plan again) the state of the airplane is all whacked. Things suddenly wont turn on or off, screens are black, flight plan is corrupted, etc so on so forth. Moral of story for Xbox users, start fresh, and cancel out of game every time you're done!
The TRU (Transformer Rectifier Unit) converts the 120V AC power generated by the engine or APU generators or provided by a Ground Power Unit (GPU) to 28V DC power for use by various electrical components.
I was just about to update the notes - I've been googling :)
Thanks Jonathan
You're welcome - getting there slowly with the procedures! :)
Great video and thank you for the effort, you really helped a lot. I have one question: why do some buttons at the overhead panel remain encircled in yellow after the start procedure (dc svce/utly bus, BTC, acw gen1 and 2 etc.)?
Because I missed them while starting up probably :) I flew the ATR again last night - a check ride of sorts - and it all seemed to behave a lot better.
I enjoyed that :)
You're welcome :)
Great lad
Question , when i turn on battery , then connect ground power on the tablet and then click both ground power buttons , a lot of my lights are already displaying faults (for example DC Gen 1/2 and ACW Gen 1/2) and also the prop brake light is already lit up where as none of yours are.
Thanks for a very helpful video. Do you think Asobo will make the MFS to accept an LittleNav map flight plan. I use it when there are a lot visual approaches which I understand ATR pilots do often. Thanks.
I have no idea.
Nice video ! Just a bug I noticed : @12:19 you engage fuel pumps 1 & 2 before starting Eng 2 in H-mode. Then @15:37 when you want to start Eng 1, you thinking (I guess) the pump is not running (but it is RUN in green) you shut off pump 1 (OFF in white) and we can see that the X-feed in closed. And... nothing happends, you starts the engine without any problems, pump off, X-feed close and the fuel still feeding the engine. You can also take off in this condition :D
Yep - it appears to be a bug :) I completely missed while talking that I hadn't clicked the pump properly :)
@@jonbeckett I also close a valve when it shouldn't and I get angry because the engine won't start, with the ATR, I'll stay in a good mood :D
Have you done an ATR RNV landing procedure Jonathan, I have crashed and burned 50 times, mostly during the last segment of the approach probably as I dont have my settings / timing right - despite trying to follow the steps set out by other posters, Your videos are the best and I would greatly appreciate your expertise. Thanks in anticipation
I'll look into it
Thank you so much for this video, I have been keeping a close eye on your channel since picking up the ATR yesterday and am learning a lot! Out of curiosity, do you need to update the MCDU data as it says 2014 for me?
I've not looked at the dates. The aircraft is using the nav data from the simulator - so it will be using the Meteoblue data unless you have Navigraph - then it will be using that. I would ignore the dates :)
@jonbeckett Thanks for the clarification! I wondered if that would be the case. I was just worried about everything else using old navigraph data and the MCDU using new data. Looks like I will update navigraph and update the sim and everything just to be sure. Thanks again, I can't wait to see more of your videos on the ATR as I already bought the Antonov 225, the Kodiak 100 and the Antonov AN2 based on your showcases! :)
Edit: just rewatching the official cold and dark video and the Captain does explain that, not sure how I missed that the last two times I watched it! :)
hello Jon, would you be good enough to explain when you activate VNAV and wind the ALT level down from the initial setting (and to what level) for an ATR RNP/RNAV flight. TIA
I rarely use VNAV. Reference the charts for any altitude restrictions if following a STAR (use LittleNavMap if you don't have Navigraph), and then reference the pilot operating handbook for descent rates, or take it for a test flight to figure out what rate you can descend at in a given configuration.
How do you hold/set speed on the ATR? I know it doesn't hold speed like the A320N I've been learning to fly in sim recently so it's interesting to learn.
Great explain Jonathan👍👍only a question...when you insert the flight plan you have DISCONTINUITY and you have to insert minimum 2 waypoint in the route right? I m on x box so i can choose and insert 2 waypoint in between the take off and the arrival ? And the ils frequency it s automatically inserted when you choose the arrival rway or you have to insert manually? Than you so much greetings from Italy😀👍
There is no minimum when programming the flight plan - you can just clear the discontinuity and go direct from departure to destination.
In one of his latest videos, 737NG Driver explains how to enter airways in the ATR MCDU. Easy when you know how.
Yes - but you cannot rely on it - it sometimes breaks (really horribly) lol
Legend
Cheers
So clear and useful, thankyou!!!
You're welcome :)
ohhhh love the smell of new plane
Hahaha
Thanks
Thank you!
You’re amazing!😂
I wouldn't go THAT far lol
ty wm, captain
You're welcome :)
Jonathan, any chance you could do one on Engine / Speed management? I've managed to import a flight plan into the MCDU and complete the flight with it but speed management vs the different management modes is eluding me! The Notch detent only appears to work with the target airspeed in Climb mode. Manual setting looks like it's purely an indicator bug.
There is no auto-throttle. That's the first thing to realise. The notch setting is really just a power position that the engine can run in all day long without issue. When controlling speed, you can either use power, or RPM to achieve the same aim - most turbo-prop pilot operating handbooks will advise using RPM to control speed.
@@jonbeckett Oh, thanks. Seems I've missed it - how do I control Power and/or RPM? The aircraft's Notch setting seems to handle takeoff and climb ok but in Cruise, speed is all over the place. And I thought the BAe 146 was a pain in this regard!
15:41 I did not notice when I watched this the first time, but you are actually turning Pump1 OFF in this moment. Interestingly enough it does not seem to matter ....
Yep - it was a mistake - lots of people told me :) They are boost pumps. The engines have their own pumps too.
How do you trim the aircraft / Wich bottun do I need to use for triming the Aircraft. (14:35)
I mapped the trim controls to joystick buttons (the hat switch)
You took your time ;p
Hahaha - what can I say - I like to do things right :) (and it means if anybody questions this, I can say "that's how professional ATR pilots do it") lol
Hello,
Followed the video exactly. But after starting ENG2, and releasing the prop brake. I hear the engine sound. But prop doesn't start rotating.....
It's a bug. I have since returned (again) to the ATR and demonstrated how to avoid that bug :)
Hi! How do you adjust the trim in the screen im not an English speaker and I don’t understand 😂 British English
When I adjust trim, I am trimming the elevators. If you look in the key controls you can find out what the elevator trim is mapped to. I have it mapped also to buttons on my joystick - so I can easily trim while in-flight.
You keep saying "INIT" like you're real hip and down with the kids 😛 Reminds me of a friend who insists on adding "innit" to the end of every other sentence, even where it doesn't belong, such as, "I'm just popping to the shops. Innit." 😀
Know what I mean ?
Really helpful video but I still can’t figure out why LNAV doesn’t work. I go to turn it in and it switches back to off straight away. Any ideas?
Make sure your flight plan is complete, and without any discontinuities.
@@jonbeckett maybe I missed out some steps while programming the FMC? I’ll try again.
Addicted to the new additional in MSFS but also to your brilliant videos. One question though, once in the air, do you activate the Idle Gate? I think it stops you putting it into reverse when flying? 🤔
That's another story for another day :)
You can definitely end up with it 'sitting on it's tail' if you use full reverse on the ground (on XBox at least, haven't run on PC yet) 😂
@@ColinDyckes haha it’s a very positive reverse isn’t it! And hey, I’m an xboxer too and love this aircraft!
@@jonbeckett I shall look forward to it.
You can move it manually, but you don't need to as it is automatically changed after TO and when in landing configuration. It stops you from pulling the PL below FI=Flight Idle while on ground the PL low point is GI=Ground Idle. The T lever below can override the automatic set position.
Hello, you talk about TRU. It is a unit who convert A/C current to D/C current or they name it inverter but most of time they say TRU.
TRU = Rectifier. A Transformer Rectifier Unit (TRU) combines the functions of a Transformer and a Rectifier into one unit. In aircraft applications, the TRU converts the 120V AC power generated by the engine or APU generators or provided by a Ground Power Unit (GPU) to 28V DC power for use by various electrical components.
Have a question when taxi to runway with atr I have know control to the aircraft and ideas
Gust lock.
Safe travels where you flying in to
TRU (transformer rectifier unit) converts AC power to DC, and an inverter does the opposite :)
Yep.
I know how to take off but still have some difficulties to land. It slides so much and no airbrake. I dont understwnd how to use the propeller to slow down.
I forgot that you don't have propeller control in the ATR. You do have power and condition though - which also serves as fuel shut-off. If you pull the power back to idle, the plane will lose speed very quickly in level flight. You just need to plan ahead.
Having issues with the taxi. It tries to roll really fast and having a hard time using brakes to slow it down . Is that normal?
Yep :)
This all worked fine for me except 1 thing. I could not turn OFF the prop lock on engine 2 after the engines were running. Thanks for making this video. I would have been COMPLETELY lost! [UPDATE] However, this plane does not play well with my Saitek peripherals. A constant fight between the flight panel and the navigation in the plane. The electrics all shut off whenever I hit the gear up or down on the switch panel. You can't over-ride the throttles and engine condition when you have the throttle quadrant installed. I suspect it I did some SPADnext work, I could probably get it working. FURTHER UPDATE] - Apparently the issue where the Logitech switch panel landing gear toggle shuts off the power or avionics has been around for a couple of years. It does this on the ATR and the TBM, but not most of the other planes.
It's your controller that's causing the prop lock issue - I'm betting your condition lever has moved.
@@jonbeckett Thanks - I will re-try and make sure not to move it.
For some reason, my tablet is not on everytime i want to fly, do you maybe know how to fix that?
Not sure - sorry.
hi my name is robert i have a question for you hello how to change the frequency ils when it is not the right one???
In the MCDU, I think (not in the plane right now)
Hi I have an issue here...I followed your tutorials on the cold & dark startup for the ATR 72 but then after i disable chocks & release the parking brakes with the engines on & everything I can't even steer the aircraft left or right via the rudder pedal using my joystick what could be the problem here? basically the aircraft is on the ground taxiing to the runway for take off but the aircraft just go straight instead of turning left or right at all i turn my joystick to either left or right it just won't turn it just go straight & also I can't even brake the aircraft I press the button on the joystick to brake the aircraft and it just won't brake & slow down the aircraft & I have to press the button on the joystick where I engage the parking brake then only the aircraft stops. What could be the problem here? thanks
another thing to add on there's something called "SELECT LNAV" what does that mean? does it mean the aircraft can't detect the flight plan that I've set on the MCDU FMC or it could be something else?
Gust. Lock.
Gust lock or control mappings.
@@jonbeckett Hi Jonathan Is there a way to set the airspeed on the ATR 72-600/ATR 42-600 so as not let the aircraft go overspeed in which it will trigger the overspeed beeping sound inside the cockpit while flying in autopilot mode?
I need to look at my condition lever settings for this aircraft as I can’t get them to go and stay into cut off. At the moment I’m having to use the red fire isolation valves on the overhead to stop the engines. 😂
Roll the mouse wheel on the condition levers
@@jonbeckett Unfortunately that doesn't work either. Oddly enough I have noticed that if I start a game with the engines running and I do not touch the throttles at all, then I can move the condition levers into the Cut-off position. But if I make any adjustment to the throttles, say, rev up and then back down to idle, the condition levers will refuse to move into the cut-off position.
Best is to delete any assignment of your HW levers for propeller and fuel by generating an ATR specific profile. By that you can easily just use the mouse to move them between the various positions.
Can’t click tablet in my game unable to remove chocks
engine 2 wont spin the prop brake is not going off is ther ANY way to fix it im fed up with how buggy this aircraft is
Have you updated it ?
So you're not going to turn the batteries on before ext power?
I connected it - I didn't turn it on until later.
Let's say you get a glitch in the middle of a flight causing a full reset of the flight plan. All of a sudden, you don't know where you are. How do you program the MCDU to take you to a know airport or waypoint?
Do a direct to.
@@jonbeckett I don't know how - I may have missed it in your video, though I watched it several times. Can you help?
@@damerval On the MCDU (the flight management computer), there is a button "DTO" - press it, then enter or select a waypoint you want to fly directly to.
@@jonbeckett I'm sure I'm missing something simple but my experience seems to be that wherever I am in the menu system, or flight plan listing (which is empty if no flight plan has been entered), the DTO button has no effect at all. I had guessed it might have something to do with going direct to a waypoint, but couldn't get it to actually do anything.
When I start on the ramp, the tablet is just dark. CTRL+3 just doesn't start it up. Any ideas?
Hold the mouse button down on the tablet power button maybe ?
at 15:43, Engine one fuel pump was switched off and you can see there was 0 fuel flow but the engine ran even though crossfeed was off. 🤔
You're right! I'm sure all these small issues will get fixed. There's nothing like having 10,000 people testing your code :)
@@jonbeckett That is not an issue. The real aircraft the engine will start and run without the electrical pump on.
@@francisifill7742 So the plane will happily do a flight while showing 0 fuel flow to an engine for an entire flight? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems dangerous
@@adyx the indication is incorrect. But it can be flown with the pump u/s. I’m irl ATR maintenance engineer.