FIRST TIME Watching The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey | REACTION & REVIEW
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The hobbit movies COULD have been good films, IF they had focused on the Hobbit story and done a film about that story instead of just trying to turn the Hobbit story into a way to squeeze out more Lord of the Rings movies.
SUPER disappointing.
@@JosephSK yessss, especially part 3 is so much better with extended version
@@autonomouspublishingincorp8241 true that but I think the first 2 are good movies in general. Not close to lotr but a fun journey. Sadly the 3rd is just bad. 2 Movies is the absolut max they should have made out of that short kids book
I know you are watching the theatrical version but watch the extended version of this one on your own time. Then react to the sequels the extended versions of course.
This comes up a lot. The eagles are not wild animals, but a kingdom unto themselves. They wouldn't permit themselves to be used as horses any more than elves or dwarves would. They do favors for friend Gandalf but even that goes just so far. They would not agree to carry a mob of dwarves cross-country, just so the dwarves could save time.
In the books the eagles speak, but this aspect of them is left out of the movies.
they are also spirits akin to gandalf, balrogs etc. just in a different body (hence the speaking)
Yeah I wish the movies would address the eagles are to fauna as the ents are to flora. Guardians of nature. Not a taxi service.
The eagles are Maiar!
@@di3486 Ah, no. That was a concept Tolkien considered initially, but later abandoned. They're sentient eagles, yes-messengers of Manwë, guardians, but still very much birds and not Maiar. ♥
Also in The Hobbit (book) it said they didn’t want to fly any further out of the mountains because they could get shot by human settlers protecting their livestock. Makes you think about all the people who think they could have flown through Mordor before Sauron’s armies were destroyed.
You get to see Balin and Ori alive! When the Fellowship got down into the mines of Moria, Balin (the white haired dwarf) was the tomb in the chamber that caused Gimli the most distress and Ori (the young one with the bowl cut and strong knitwear game) was the one who wrote everything down until the moment he died so that whoever found them would have a record.
"alive"?
I presume it's supposed to say "again". That would also include Gloin, Gimli's father, who's with him at Elrond's council.
It's accurate, because we previously saw them dead. @@arielvanmoos7583
And Oin who got taken by the Watcher in the Water
@@blackpanther10105 people always forget him :’(
You have to remember the Ring has a will of its own, Gollum didn't drop it by accident, it abandoned him, the wording specific that it made itself fall out of his pocket, the same way it found a way to end up on Bilbo's finger, to make him see its power, to make him think its useful, because it being used will get Sauron's attention eventually
Yes, it wants to get back to Sauron, but Gollum has been holed up beneath the mountain for hundreds of years, and wouldn't have left if he hadn't lost his "precious" and had to hunt it down. So it decides to try its luck with another.
I get it now
imagine having to explain this to people who seen all 3 LOTR movies lmao.
The main separation between Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings is that the Hobbit was originally a bedtime story that Tolkien told his kids that he just eventually wrote down and published. Its much simpler in scale, go sneak in a dragon ruled mountain and steal his gold, and the journey getting there. Lord of the Rings is the more grand sequel that Tolkien wrote almost 20 years later
No wonder Hobbit looks so cheap, comparing to LOTR. It's a cartoon for kids. Watched it only once and 0 interest in rewatching ever again. Acting gone to 0. No wonder LOTR gotten so many oscars , while Hobbit didn't get any.
well thats not nice@@anonymousfx5254
@@anonymousfx5254 I wouldn't go that far. The book had several very adult themes and could be really dark. It was told by a man who loved mythology and history and wanted to pass that love along to his kids. If you haven't read it, I'd say give it a shot. You'd be surprised
@@anonymousfx5254 THE HOBBIT looks so cheap because they shot at 48fps thinking the higher frame rate would lead to a better experience (3D was big at the time). Instead, the higher frame rate screwed the lighting ratios and it made all the plastic props look...well, plastic. It looks fake because all the detail looks surface deep because...well, it IS. Only the stuff built for real looks real. They also shot A LOT on stages because not everybody could get back down to NZ for 3 years again (Sirs Christopher Lee and Ian Holm were too infirm to travel out of the UK again).
The hobbit movies COULD have been good films, IF they had focused on the Hobbit story and done a film about that story instead of just trying to turn the Hobbit story into a way to squeeze out more Lord of the Rings movies.
SUPER disappointing.
one of the reasons gandalf wanted to help the dwarves was that he suspected Sauron will be back and he wanted to avoid Smaug joining the dark lord in the war to come
I recall Tolkien wrote in the appendices that the position of the Lonely Mountain was important too. Unfortunately Jackson didn’t include these battles in LOTR bc the trilogy had already been so hefty. I always wanted to see that in movie format. (Galadriel /Celeborn, Elrond, the dwarves, Beorn cleansing forests/misty mountain areas)
It can be a little confusing when Radagast tells Gandalf about Sauron if you haven't read the books. You might think they are talking about finding Sauron at the dark tower instead of Dol Guldor. I read The Hobbit 40 years ago but don't remember Sauron being called by name in that book.
@@cabel000he was simply known as the necromancer in the hobbit book.
@@TaewillsWasn’t the position important cause of the kingdom of Angmar?
The Lonely Mountain is North of Mordor, but with a lot of distance in between. Close to it is the Forest of elves whose King is Thandruil. During the battle of Gondor, the Dwarfs of Erebor were fighting Sauron's orcs in all that area.
Fun fact about the Hobbiton set; for LOTR the set was only temporary (like most movie sets) and was demolished after they wrapped. When they came back to film The Hobbit trilogy the land owner only agreed to them rebuilding the set if it was made permanent for them to use as a tourist attraction.
Oh! I actually didn’t know that! I thought it was from the LOTR set, that’s cool to know~
na man the land owner is an absolute legend
Also in the real hobbiton the are still remnants of the original set lime a staircase at the top of the hill I find it quite fascinating
"Why does the dragon want gold?" Tolkien was a literary scholar, so he drew inspiration from European myths and legends. In Europe, dragons traditionally represented the worst sins, including and especially gluttony and greed. Dragons would desolate an area, then plunder as much treasure as possible to hoard in their cave. They'd then slumber upon it, and guard it fiercely. They might also demand that surrounding villages or kingdoms pay them tribute of more treasure and/or maiden sacrifices under threat of their homes being destroyed and their crops burned.
Along side that greed is just a thing that everyone has dragons most of all.
@@koreancowboy42However, greed is for things that people WANT or can USE. Coins have zero value to monsters, beasts or dragons. I mean, you don't see people being greedy and hoarding pocket lint, or rotting vegetables.
People want money because it has great value to us, and even then because of what it can buy us. Dragons don't go shopping. There's no Amazon in middle earth. While having dragons be a metaphor for greed may make sense, it's completely illogical in a realistic sense. Humans don't hoard vast amounts of cheese, so that mouse adventurers will be rewarded for defeating us.
@@Aeroldoth3 There are bill/millionaires who have more money than they will ever spend. Yet some of them can be rather greedy. Collectors can also have a bit of a greedy side to them, even though some of them would never sell their treasures. Clearly dragons in these myths WANT gold and treasures. Why? Who knows, I've heard plenty of theories people have come up with or heard, how gold is to them like what a good bed is to humans, or that gold is how dragons impress others of their kind, and yes, even one that says dragons hoard gold to entice the bravest adventures to come and fight them.
And honestly, dragons themselves are completely illogical in a realistic sense. It seems weird to ponder on the realistic possibility of its greed while the creature itself is but a myth.
@@ruud9761Alternate realities and alternate beings are only enjoyable if they're plausible, if they're logically consistent. If you say wizards can shoot fireballs, fine, but when you then have barmaids and farmers and two year olds shooting fireballs, you're not being consistent. Make whatever rules you want for your reality, but they must be believable... logical... consistent.
Vampires need blood so they feed on people. That's consistent. Hydras regenerate, so they're very hungry and eat a lot. Consistent. Creature behavior should follow it's nature, should relate to how it operates. Dwarves are greedy, so it makes perfect sense for them ot hoard things of value, ie coins, because they can SPEND that wealth.
When we have a big flying lizard, we need to define it's nature to explain it's behavior. Otherwise it makes no sense and the story falls apart.
@@Aeroldoth3 "Alternate realities and alternate beings are only enjoyable if they're plausible, if they're logically consistent. " This is fully a state of opinion, not fact. And the fact that you've heard european mythological stories of greedy, gold hoarding dragons means there have been lots of people over the last thousand odd years who passed these stories on disagreed with your opinion. Stories and myths and epics have been enjoyed for a very long time without needing everything to be logically consistent.
Regardless of any of the production problems, the CASTING was fantastic. Absolutely love Martin Freeman as Bilbo
It never ceases to amaze me that Tolkien was born in 1892! He started telling the Hobbit to his four children when he was 38. The book wasn't published until 1937. I found it in the 1960s in the school library and he became my favorite author. ❤
The dwarf Gloin in the Hobbit was Gimli's father.
1 - Ring to rule them all
9 - Rings for Mortal Men
7 - Rings for the Dwarf Lords
3 - Rings for the Elves
1973 - The year Tolkien passed away. Hmmmmm.....
@@rhudoc3745 - oh wow - uncanny...
The Hobbit story is set 60 years before the Lord of the Rings story. Bilbo had the One Ring for that long after finding it in Gollums cave and then leaving it to Frodo. Bearing the Ring for 60 years seemed to have only prolonged Bilbo's life. In the Lord of the Rings Story, Frodo held the Ring for just over a year before it was destroyed. However, Smeagol held the One Ring for 500 years, which is why it consumed him, turning him into the creature Gollum.
In the LOTR books Frodo had the ring for 17 years.. but he took a larger toll because he got close to Sauron, and Sauron was stronger
It must be the power of the ring why Elijah Wood did not seem to get old that much lol 🤣
The ring doesn’t make you get old, plus it took a harder toll on Frodo because of the journey he took and how much it knew it was close to returning to Sauron
Even though it was only 17 years for Frodo, the ring was not dorment anymore, for Sauron was now stronger. And Frodo was also hurt by the Nazgul, so that wound also took a toll.
Fun fact: that scene with the mountain trolls is exactly the same story old Bilbo was telling the kids at the beginning of Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship of the ring.
In the book, the song the dwarves sing in Bilbo's house (Misty Mountains Cold) is what actually convinces him to join them. In that moment he felt all of their ambition and desire to get their home back and it also awakened the Took side of himself that longed for adventure and exploration. They did it perfectly in the films, it's not just a pretty song, you FEEL it like Bilbo did.
The song scene and the riddles theme. That is what Tolkien is all about. I would love all the somgs in the books. late at night with school the next morning, lying under my blankets with a lamp making up silent melodies to them in my head. Now actually hearing such a melody blew me away.
Yeah, I was surprised they didn’t even show a second of that part. I understand copyright, but it was clearly a significant part of the story. Disappointing
@@SnailHatan Don't go into a reaction video expecting to be shown all the significant parts of the movie they're reacting to. The video is supposed to be a video of their reaction to the movie. Being shown any parts of the movie at all is just a way to easily know what exactly they're reacting to in each moment. This has only been allowed by copyright owners for that reason. If they catch on to people using reaction videos to watch the movie, they'll go back to not allowing the movie to be shown at all in reaction videos.
The eagles are not there to carry people around at any moment,they are emissaries of Manwe (Gandalf's boss we can say in a very superficial way).
We saw them helping people 3 times:
1. Gwaihir (the chief of the eagles) helped Gandalf at Isengard because he owed him a favour
2. They helped in the final battle at the Black Gate because it was the decisive moment for Middle Earth
3. In this movie they helped the hobbits because they were very near their nests and they could see the flames and the orcs singing,so they went to see what was happening and,hating the orcs,they helped Gandalf and the dwarves
youn forgot one scene. when the ring got destroyed...
@@EDORAS. yeah right,I counted that scene together with the battle of Morannon. They helped save Frodo because after all he had done they could not let him die when they could save him
Genuine question, because i didn't read LOTR, just the Hobbit, but doesn't Gandalf send the moth to Radagast and Radagast asks the eagles for help? I thought that hte eagles are basically friends only with Radagast because he respects nature. Am I wrong? And if so, do you know where or how I could have confused it?
@@Ageron2655 In the book nobody calls the eagles.
The Company is travelling through the High Pass,in the Misty Mountains,and the many eagles have their nests nearby,on the peaks of those mountains. They basically saw the trees on fire and many orcs and wargs getting together and they wanted to see what was happening. They were already watching over those lands because they were nearby and saw suspicious movements,and when they got there they found the orcs and the wargs trying to kill the Company.
Also in the books Azog is not hunting them (he is long dead)
@@niccologregorutti9309 That makes sense and IMO is cooler this way that "lemme call some eagles".
And do you have any clue why I thought that Radagast was the one who had the eagles on speed dial? Why I always thought that Gandalf is calling Radagast for help whenever he send a DM through Moth Mail?
Saruman wasn't corrupted at this point (the One Ring was thought to be lost as of now), but he was always prideful. On how he got to be corrupted:
Saruman wasn't just interested in Ring-lore, he was categorically obsessed with it, and was the undisputed master of it by the time of the War of the Ring (barring those who had participated in their creation, i.e. the Elves and Sauron himself). He was not unlike a scientist who, through exposure to whatever disease they are trying to cure, ends up contracting that very disease. Like some research scientists of today, he was very much detached from the real world and dealing entirely with abstractions. Instead of mentally living in an ivory tower, he literally resided in the impregnable tower of Orthanc. This is in stark contrast to Gandalf, who was much more of a field operative. Saruman likely thought of himself as the ultimate realist, seeking to fight fire with fire.
Actually all of that make me really sad that Eru just eleminated his soul in the end. It was quite brutal.
Something that will make me always love the Hobbit trilogy no matter what, was how happy Sir Christopher Lee was to be able to play Saruman as a good guy to explore more of him than him just having fallen down under Sauron's corruption.
The extended edition of this movie also tells the backstory why Thranduril wouldn't help the dwarves. Several years earlier, he had commissioned the dwarves to take the White Gems of Lasgalen and fashion them into a necklace for his wife. Depending on who's telling the story, Thror either decided to keep the jewels for himself or because the Elves short-changed them on payment. This is the scene where the elves are visiting Thror in the beginning.
Also remember what a certain clan of dwarves did when they murdered Thingol. Thranduil’s kin. Oropher was Thranduil’s father. And that same Oropher was close cousin to Elwë(Elu Thingol) so you can see the real reason why their actions sullied the name of other dwarvish clans that were not involved in the murder of Thingol. All over the holy silmarils. Melkor’s shroud was already strong and it was making them so messed up things. Same thing known as the echos in Moria that caused the great dwarvish lords to become more greedy when otherwise they wouldn’t be like that. But even then they were intensely resilient due to their forefathers being created by Aulë himself and Eru breathing life into them!
I mean the dwarves and elves were way at tensions before Thranduil and dwarves of erebor
Some people seem to think that the eagles are like a taxi service. They are their own faction. With their own wants and desires and hierarchy.
Knowing that Tolkien had a lot of experience with WWI and WWII, along with the fact that LOTR was written in the 50's, I always assumed that the Eagles were a sort of representation of the US. I know Tolkien didn't like direct allegory or metaphors, but the symbol of the US is literally an eagle. And in LOTR the eagles don't interfere until things are really dire, which was true of the US up to the cold war.
@@joshuawiedenbeck6944 Interesting
And basically the only reason they show up is thanks to Radagast, not Gandalf. Every time Gandalf is whispering shit to a moth, he is sending a message to RADAGAST, who is asking the eagles for help. Gandalf isn't asking the eagles directly. That is mainly because only Radagast is their friend because he is the only wizard (or person tbh.) that respects nature.
So apparently I was wrong and I apologize for that. In a different comments and replies it was nicely explained. I am sorry for misinforming you.
@Ageron2655 I like that idea a lot though. And to be fair to you, keeping up with the deep lore is almost impossible.
Gloin is Gimli's dad, and was at the counsel of Elrond in the first LOTR movie.
The eagles can't be commanded. They are servants of the Valar, and when they do stuff it's effectively divine intervention. When they come in the Hobbit, they just happened to be passing by at the time so help them. In the Lord of the Rings when Gandalf is stuck in the tower, Gwahir, the lord of the eagles owes Gandalf so helps him out
I think they're under Manwe, cause the wind.
Gandalf actually uses the moth to summon the eagles in this film just as he did to summon them in LOTR I and III. My one real fault with the films is that there is no explanation as to Gandalf's relationship with Gwahir, not even in extended editions.
@@accolade8060 Ya one line or two would have given some context like with Shadowfax. "Shadowfax, He is the lord of all horses and has been my friend through many dangers." There you get some context. Shadowfax is the horse king, Gandalf thinks of him as a peer and they have a long history together.
Gandolf has been alive for hundreds of generations. There isn't time to explain all of the relationships he's made over that time.@@accolade8060
The difference between LotR and the Hobbit is also so clearly visible in the BTS documentaries. Where those for LotR just like pure magic and you could see the joy and craftmanship of all the people involved, you just see a completely different mood for the Hobbit ones. Ian McKellen breaking down in from of a greenscreen is so heartbreaking. And the pressure on Peter Jackson was so immense, it's really an accomplishment on its own that he managed to finish 3 movies that were practically forced on him.
Not to mention he was only drafted in to direct at the last minute so didn't have the involvement and prep time he did on the OT.
Plus the amount of middle fingers Martin Freeman gave in the BTS was off the charts!
@@MediaBrad I get the feeling that Martin Freeman has a lot of deep-rooted anger issues and he uses comedy as his coping mechanism. There's something in his eyes that suggests a wall holding back some dark stuff. I see something similar in Tom Hanks too, and in PUNCHLINE I think he gets in touch with some of it for his character.
For all the shortcomings of the Hobbit movies, the "riddles in the dark" scene really is excellent 😊
each movie has at least one incredible scene (I think UJ has two: the riddles, and Misty Mountains Cold). NOTE: SPOILER FOR Bo5A COMING UP!! DoS is the convo between Bilbo & Smaug; Bo5A is Thorin's death scene. But DoS & Bo5A are otherwise...pretty not-good 😞
@@Sure0Foot I couldn't agree more! And it's no coincidence that the moments you listed are all from the book 😊
@@Sure0Foot the white council in dol goldur was pretty epic imo. I got chills first time. One of the few times we see real power from the good guys in middle earth.
@@Sure0Foot the interaction between Bilbo and Smaug is soooo good
@@Sure0Footkeep in mind they're just watching this for the first time. Relatively big spoiler in that comment... but yes, I completely agree.
For the record, the chapter from the book called Riddles in the dark, aka the part with Gollum and the riddles, is literally an insanely good adaptation. Best part of the entire trilogy when it comes to adapting it perfectly. Amazing.
Reading this scene as a young boy…I was shaking scared as I read. They adapted it beautifully. Andy Serkis is a top class talent.
I think it's on par with Smaug. THAT'S a dragon!!!
I find it I interesting as well that that was the very first scene that was shot in The Hobbit trilogy. I feel like PJ had the passion at the beginning but when the studios started meddling it went kinda down hill.
it was my favorite scene from the book when I first read it
Couldn't agreed more. LOTR quality scene
Bilbo's mother was Belladonna Took. She also happens to be Frodo's grandaunt, and great grandaunt of Merry and Pippen. The Took family was considered strange by other hobbits because they regularly went on adventures.
And their size. The tooks were alittle bigger back in the old days.
A lot of people didn't believe The Hobbit would be as good as LOTR... This was so sad and it affected Richard Armitage, the actor who played Thorin because it put a lot of pressure on him since he was a very important character in this trilogy. In the bts of the first Hobbit, you can see him avoid the camera, he was sitting alone trying to revise his lines, he would hide from anything that could show him off to the world because he knew how fans can be and he didn't want to fail them if he didn't do a good job.
I am saying all this to say that no matter the connection between the worlds, The Hobbit can stand on its own feet as a trilogy, It may not be as grand and amazing as LOTR but it is awesome in its own way. As a fan of both the books and movies, I can differentiate and appreciate the two trilogies for what they are, hope others can do the same, and as always thank you guys for deciding to do a reaction to these movies as well!
For all the flaws in the Hobbit trilogy, Armitage's performance is not one of them. He did well with what he was given to work with.
@@mjbull5156 I agree 100% with that statement. He did amazingly and i am happy he is the one playing that role.
It's sad really how the cast burdens themselves with the belief that it's their fault if movies and all have faults. Really the casting is fantastic in these movies, in the short time we have with each dwarves individually, I think the actors managed to make them all feel unique and have this whimsy, funny and hopeful nature within them. I love the synergy they created between the characters, and between them as a cast as well when you watch the bts content. They're fun to watch, even when the movie gets kinda too long, or you can feel that they're expanding the story too much to cover 3 whole movies. Really I don't see how any actor would be at fault for the things that people have to say about the Hobbit trilogy. I feel like it's because of the actors more than anything that you can still feel that this story is leaning more towards children and has a happier setting than LOTR (because these are different times).
It's more executive decisions that weighed on the movies, especially the one of making three movies out of such a short book. But then again, I feel like a lesser (lesser versed in Tolkien as well) director would have done a poorer job, I do believe PJ somehow here and there managed to make it work. He extended the story where it deserved to be extended, where it serves the story, and even the LOTR story, and where it's believable, when you have Gandalf going away for eons in the book and all. Yknow, it's not Star Wars sequels level of weird nonsense and bloating the story.
I also appreciate both trilogies. Yes, I will always prefer the story of the Ring and the Fellowship, and I do believe these movies have more passion and heart in it: because obviously, PJ fought like hell to be able to even MAKE these movies. And obviously, less studio grabby hands all over it, but at the same time, I do feel like PJ managed to keep his movies his, a clear identity for Middle Earth, which was a feat at the time already. Because again, PJ wasn't even intended to make the movies to begin with... and to me, it would have made for far worse movies.
The hobbit trilogy feels so much better compared to the rings of power😅😅😅
The friction between the elves and dwarves actually started way earlier in the first age. The elven king Thingol had a silmaril, one of the 3 most beautiful jewels in the world made from the last of the earlier light, full of power so they were tempting kind of like The Ring. King Thingol hired some dwarves to fix the Silmaril into another piece of jewelry he could wear around his neck, but when the dwarves had completed it they demanded to get the necklace as payment for the job. Completely unfair ofc, they basically just wanted to rob him of the Silmaril. Thingol obviously got mad but the dwarves didn't care and assassinated him then ran off with the Silmaril. Ever since elves and dwarves have had bad blood.
Interesting! Is it really that straightforward that the dwarves are in the wrong?
@@mhernandez1345 No. When they asked for the Silmaril, he refused to pay them _at all_ for the work they had done. That's why elves say that dwarves are greedy, because they asked for too much, and dwarves say that elves can't be trusted.
The reason Gandalf doesn't use magic is basically two reasons.
One is that he is basically a demi-god sent down from the heavens to guide and protect everything Good in Middle Earth not directly influence the world with his magic.
He basically isn't allowed to use them all the time.
Second is its very taxing and draining to use it.
I have to explain this to every Harry Potter enjoyer that hasn`t read Tolkien and asks me "Why doesn't Gandalf just use magic all of the time?" Some people can't get it.
I left my own comment regarding this and forgot the second part. The spirits in Tolkien's mythos don't have infinite power and have to expend little pieces of themselves to enact "magic"
@@LydiotGamingTVI tend to tell people how they basically destroyed an entire continent (Baleriand)
@@Catherine.Dorian. I‘d like to see Voldemort pull something like that.
@@LydiotGamingTV Exactly! All Harry Potter wizards couldn’t touch one of the Maiar, be it Sauron or Gandalf.
The giant spiders are all related, they are all spawns of Ungoliant, an ancient evil ( long story ). These are more distant related, but Shelob from LOTR was closer to Ungoliant.
And god I love how Galadriel shows up 😁
Shelob was the surviving Daughter after Ungoliant ate all of her millions of children, Shelob’s brothers and sisters. Yeah. Scary hey?
Aren't the spiders of mirkwood the spawn of shelob? Or is that something I made up in my head.
You guys are so wholesome, I really appreciate how genuine you are for us.
One thing to remember is that Gimli introduced himself as "Son of Gloin" and that Gloin is in this series.
And Gloin's father had the unfortunately spelled name, Groin.
Just so you know. Hobbits are very conservative folk. Most of them like the way of life they live (which is definitely worth liking) and they are very suspicious of these "adventures". Persons like Bilbo or Frodo, who went on exploring the world behind Shire are quite rare exceptions to the rule and most of the hobbits don't appreciate their ways :) Most of hobbits live and die in the same land, without seeing what's behind it.
"Home is behind, the world ahead" you may recognize this as part of the song Pippin sung when Faramir rode to certain death.
Also, in case you didn't realize, Balin, the old dwarf, is the same Balin whose tomb Gimli weeps over in lord of the rings. And Ori, the young dwarf, is if I remember correctly the dwarf holding the book.
The reason the wizards don't use more of their powers is, to make a long story short, because they are not allowed.
In middle-earth wizards aren't humans who learned magic, they're Maiar, angelic beings who sang alongside Eru Iluvatar, the one true god, and the valar, the greater spirits/gods, when they sang all of creation into being.
After the song was sung and given shape by Eru iluvatar the Valar and the Maiar went into the world to see what they had created. The Valar reside in Valinor, over the seas to the west. A lot of stuff happened that I wont go into but long story short, the way to valinor was cut off and the world made round so that none could sail to valinor, they'd instead end up in the east. Only the Elves can sail the straight way, essentially sailing out of our dimension and fading away into Valinor.
When Melkor, the true enemy was defeated, Sauron, his lieutenant, took up the mantle of the dark lord. Again a lot happened, but eventually he forged the one ring, around this time the Istari, the 5 wizards, came to middle-earth to help the free peoples in their fight against Sauron.
Now the reason they don't use magic to solve all of mankinds problems is because that is not their purpose. It is not the job of the Maiar to wave away all of our problems, like parents they are there to guide their children, but ultimately they are just there to oversee the children as they grow. Gandalf will not fight our battles for us, it is our own duty, and through fulfilling it mankind can grow into his own, as we see with Aragorn for instance. The reason he became the man we was meant to be, is BECAUSE Gandalf didn't do everything for him. Gandalf merely advises, and guides, and is very limited in what he's allowed to do. In fact, he only has a fraction of his power on middle-earth, when he is sent back as gandalf the white he is sent back with a bit more, as to fulfill his purpose.
The reason Gandalf does more when he fights for instance the balrog is because the Balrog, like Gandalf, is a Maiar, a fallen one. If Gandalf is an angel, then the balrog is a fallen angel, a demon. Many Maiar were on the side of Melkor at the time. Since the Balrog is a maiar, like gandalf, and not a mortal threat, it is not really something mortals can be expected to fight, it's not exactly their duty, that duty falls on Gandalf. This is also why he can fight Saruman using magic, since Saruman too as an Istari.
When Gandalf leaves Frodo with the ring, it takes 17 years before he comes back. Bilbos 111th birthday was at the same time as Frodos' 33rd birthday party (the age hobbits come of age). When Frodo leave the shire on the quest for the ring he is 50, the same age bilbo was on his adventure, and the entire adventure takes 13 months.
When Frodo meets Bilbo again in Rivendell they haven't seen each other for 17 years, which is why he seems so much older, Bilbo is 128. Bilbo is 131 when he sails away from middle-earth, being the oldest hobbit in history, beating out the old took who only managed 130.
All of the blades forged in Gondolin-like Sting, Bilbo's/Frodo's sword, as well as Glamdring, Gandalf's sword, and Orcrist, Thorin's-should glow blue like Sting. Gondolin was one of the great elf kingdoms in the First Age, when there was still a lot of magic left on the world, and many of the elves of Gondolin were Noldor born in Valinor during the Years of the Trees, and have immense power. The elves of Gondolin had such hatred of the orcs that they effectively forged that hatred into their swords, which is what makes them glow blue in the presence of orcs.
Glamdring, the sword Gandalf has, was made for Turgon, the king of Gondolin, and one of the High Kings of the Noldor, who was incredibly powerful. He was the second son of Fingolfin, who himself was one of the most powerful elves to have ever existed, who fought in single combat against Morgoth, the first dark lord-Sauron's master, basically Satan, the guy who made the dragons like Smaug, and managed to wound and permanently maime him. Turgon was also very powerful, though not as ating as his father. He ended up being killed during the seige of Gondolin, along with many other great elf lords, such as Ecthelion, who killed the lord ofbthe Balrogs-Gothmog, as the cost of his own life. It's possible that Orcrist, Thorin's sword, may have been the sword of Ecthelion, especially given how well known the sword is by the orcs, and how Ecthelion and his House were said to have slaightered the most orcs during the seige of anyone ever, so they would have reason to hate the blade.
The riddles in the dark scene, with Gollum and Bilbo, is one of my favorite parts of this trilogy. My absolute favorite is every scene with Smaug in it, because I just absolutely love his voice and presence. Can't wait to see your reaction to the next two films! 💙
This is by far the best hobbit movie, its basically a shot for shot adaptation of the book this far (the third movie is like the last 40 pages of the book or something while this is like half the book)
The Hobbit movies could have been very good if they had been condensed to 2 movies, and the studio hadn't messed things up so much (and given Jackson more time to adjust after the previous director left). As they are, I still enjoy them as a fun adventure with some genuine good moments, but also with some definite low points.
@@loenk2651 there is a fan edit that makes it into one 4+ hour version which is very good for what they had to work with!
@@loenk2651why always that complaint? The 3rd movie was great, the battles, dialogue, the set, vfx, etc. You people just complain too much.
I haven't read The Hobbit in so many years that other people will know much more about it than me. Nearly everything I remember of it, was covered in this movie, so this movie has a place for me more than the two sequels.
@@incorrectformatwhat the third movie is named after is covered in less than 5 pages.
The Hobbit trilogy ends with a song sung by the actor of Pippin.
The song is amazing and i recommend that you watch the official version instead of the movie version.
In the official version they made a ending video that is a mix of behind the scenes from the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
It always hits me in the feels and it make it feel like a good farewel to the entire world and series.
If you remember from LOTR Gimli had said we can go through the mines of Moria, my cousin Balin would give us a warm welcome. Or something like that. But Balin is his cousin. And he’s introduced in LOTR as Gimli son of Gloin. So Gloin is his father
Oddly, I actually saw the Hobbit first. It made me fall in love with the world. I enjoy LOTR much more, but these movies are still great to me and have an awesome overall story. Well worth watching. Happy you like them
the books are much better than the movies - you get more detail - and backstory... definitely worth the read...
The Tooks are one of the larger, more influential families of the Shire. They are also known for being more adventurous and unpredictable than most other hobbits. It is said that one of the ancestors of the clan might once have taken a "fairy" wife, probably just a hobbit way of explaining away their "un-hobbitlike" traits. The Old Took, head of the clan, is a friend of Gandalf's, and various young Tooks have been known to go off and have adventures from time to time. Peregrin "Pippin" Took was a young cousin of Bilbo and Frodo's, and definitely had all the Tookish tendencies in abundance, but without any tempering wisdom at the beginning of their adventure ("fool of a Took!"). Bilbo's mother was "the fabulous Belladonna Took", who married the very staid and sober Bungo Baggins. The Baggins family was known for being extremely respectable and predictable ("you knew what a Baggins would say about anything without the bother of asking him"). So Bilbo is half Took and half Baggins. The beginning scenes where Gandalf is trying to enlist Bilbo in his adventure and Bilbo is against it and then changes his mind at the last minute are described in the book as being a battle between his Baggins side ("no adventures thank you, nasty uncomfortable things, make you late for dinner") and his Took side (He suddenly wanted to go on adventures and carry a sword instead of a walking stick). His Tookish side won.
I enjoy how you guys get pumped up by Gandalf's presence. It's very fitting for his ring, Narya, as it's the Ring of Fire, and its "special power" if you will is like a boost of courage to people around Gandalf.
If you haven't already, I'd advise checking out the extended scenes on youtube. There's a really sweet one in Rivendell between Bilbo and Elrond, where Elrond tells Bilbo he is welcome to stay there if he wants. When you've seen that - it makes a bit more sense that Bilbo tries to go back there before Bofur catches him.
I laughed seing again Pudgey saying things before the film says exacly the same sentence few seconds after.
Nice reaction. 😉
@10:26 this scene was invented for the movie and serves as the "nudge" Gandalf mentions to Frodo during their first scene in The Fellowship of the Ring. "If you're referring to the business with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." In the book, The Hobbit, Gandalf literally did nudge Bilbo out the door to catch up with the dwarves. When they were busy adapting the book into screenplay form, they decided to have Gandalf give Bilbo a metaphorical nudge instead so that Bilbo then makes up his own mind to go after the dwarves the next morning. A stronger character moment for him.
Spartan, the song played at the end of this film (at the beginning of the credits) is called "Song of the Lonely Mountain." It is sung by Neil Finn. The music of that song serves as the primary Dwarves' theme in the films. It's a great song with amazing lyrics! You should give it a listen!
SONG OF THE LONELY MOUNTAIN
by Neil Finn with lyrics by J.R.R. Tolkien
Far over the Misty Mountains rise
Leave us standing upon the height
What was before we see once more
Is our kingdom a distant light
Fiery mountain beneath a moon
The words unspoken, we'll be there soon
For home a song that echoes on
And all who find us will know the tune
Some folk we never forget
Some kind we never forgive
Haven't seen the back of us yet
We'll fight as long as we live
All eyes on the hidden door
To the Lonely Mountain borne
We'll ride in the gathering storm
Until we get our long forgotten home
We lay under the Misty Mountains cold
In slumbers deep, and dreams of gold
We must awake, our lives to make
And in the darkness a torch we hold
From long ago when lanterns burned
Until this day our hearts have yearned
A fate unknown, the Arkenstone
What was stolen must be returned
We must awake at break of day
To find our song for heart and soul
Some folk we never forget
Some kind we never forgive
Haven't seen the end of it yet
We'll fight as long as we live
All eyes on the hidden door
To the Lonely Mountain borne
We'll ride in the gathering storm
Till we get our long forgotten home
Far away the Misty Mountains cold
Tolkien was not a writer by profession, but a Professor of Old English at Oxford. He had written a book earlier, The Silmarillion, which was a collection of stories about Middle Earth. This was in the 20's and no publisher was interested in publishing because there wasn't much interest in fantasy literature. There was some by Lord Dunsany, William Morris and others but they were not widely popular. Tolkien was grading some his student's tests when he wrote the opening sentence to The Hobbit," In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit." on a blank page. He later filled out the rest of the story and read it to his children, who loved the story and said he should show his publisher. The publisher showed it to his young son who also loved it. The Hobbit was published in 1937 and became a best selling children's book and received many awards not only in the UK but also in the US. So, the publisher told Tolkien he should write a sequel. It took Tolkien over seven years to write The Lord Of The Rings. At first the story was about Bilbo returning the ring with the help of a lot of other hobbits. He would get to the part of the story were they meet the Black Riders and he would stop not knowing who they were. Not being a writer, he would put the story aside and then start over at the begining. Eventually after four or five tries, he changed Bilbo returning the ring to Frodo and reduce the group to five, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin and Fatty Bolger(who was left out of the movie) and he realize that the story could fit in his Middle Earth creation and the Black Riders were controlled by Sauron. When he finished the novel it was about a thousand pages long. This was just after WW2, the publisher said we can't publish a novel this size and expect to sell it. So, Tolkien broke up the novel into three sections, the first was published in 1954 and each a year after to generally good reviews. In the 60's is when the popularity took off and has remained so ever since.
this movie has the best casting ever, Lee Pace as Thranduil? damn awesome.
Great reaction as always and your review was fair. A note on wizards: It would be cool to see more of their magic but it’s just good storytelling that there isn’t a magical solution to everything and they share in the stakes. While technically among the most powerful beings in Middle Earth - they were sent to advise and cultivate relations rather than to interfere with their magic. One of the things - if not the thing - that corrupts Saruman is the excessive use of his powers.
I love how Erebor in the prologue looks majestic and the armors of dwarves also look majestic :)
1:04:00 In regards to the ring's influence on Bilbo vs on Frodo: Remember this takes place place before Sauron really comes back into Power ... This is not really explained in the films, but in the books, Bilbo mentions that recently when he used the Ring he felt as if someone was watching him, something he didn't feel from the first times he used the ring
So glad you are doing the hobbits. I love them!! Are they as good as lord of the rings? Hell no. Are they good as their own films. Hell yes. Do they take you on a adventure that you can enjoy from beginning to end? Absolutely. Can't wait to see more films with you guys ☺️
You're either a literal child or very easily pleased
They're better than they've been given credit for. It's cool to shit on them.
I love these movies, I do prefer lord of the rings but it's a difficult movie and story to live up to and I think most would have difficulty standing next to it
The hobbit movies COULD have been good films, IF they had focused on the Hobbit story and done a film about that story instead of just trying to turn the Hobbit story into a way to squeeze out more Lord of the Rings movies.
SUPER disappointing.
@@thatsthat2612I wish these movies didnt have to compete with LotR, both because i wish the Hobbit movies were a bit closer to the book and not another grandiose trilogy like the new line cinema lotr, but also because these very enjoyable movies get constantly compared and shit on by people.
I don't know if anyone else has pointed it out to you guys, but the Great Goblin - the big, fat Goblin king - was voiced by Barry Humphries, the late great Dame Edna.
I just realized "Home is behind" and "The world is ahead" was close to the lyrics Pippin sang to Denethor. Idk how I missed that.
"Here lies Balin, Lord of Moria."
remember this from the Fellowship? Gimli and Balin are cousins.
it's important to remember that Hobbit was written for Tolkien's own kids & Lord of the Rings was written years later, decades before any other fantasy series still remembered in the internet era, D&D was a generation later, Game of Thrones book 1 was a generation after that.
Oh, S&P, The Hobbit movies are a lot of fun! As a 50 years long fan of Tolkien's books I could nit pick these movies to death for the numerous diversions from the actual text, but once you let that stuff go and just embrace the fun, these movies really are a good time. Just remember, The Hobbit is a children's book. It's really just an elaborate fairy tale so there's more humor and charm here than you'll be familiar with from LOTR. Just have fun with it. Oh, and do always bear in mind when you talk about "tropes", Tolkien basically created the tropes. Seriously. He took the themes he knew and loved from medieval heroic literature (Saxon, Nordic, Celtic) and he basically created what we recognize today as the modern fantasy genre. The Hobbit is where it all began. 🙂
1:04:34 - The scene at the end of Lord of the Rings, where the four Hobbits return home and have trouble living back in normal life, was written by Tolkien from the perspective of Veterans returning home from war and the troubles they have adjusting to life. Tolkien was a veteran of the war himself and Lord of the Rings was sort of metaphorical of the changes he personally saw - his idyllic youthful carefree life, the terrors of war, then returning home to a world that changed because of industrialization.
Just realised that Gandalf saying "home is behind, the world is ahead" is the same as the first lines of Pippins song in Return of the King.
Smaug remains the best CGI dragon in the history of cinema !
So excited for this!!!!! Let's go guys :) grabbin popcorn and some butter, kicking out my flip flops and it's time to enjoy! Please DO consider bringing other movies also in the future after The Hobbit trilogy!! there are so many I'd love you to react to
Yes! This is such a popcorn and snacks movie
Aragorn was probably an adult in this timeframe. Remember, he rode to West with Eowyn's grandfather. He's pretty long lived.
..it was really nice to re-watch this with you guys... somehow I came out of it with more appreciation for the movie, than I had before... but what I really want to highlight is how much I love the frame of it, when you prepare watching it, and then your reflections and afterthoughts... I'm following a lot of reaction channels, but in that you're the best... you're the cherry on top of the cake... absolutely love it, and you're just the sweetest couple anyway... so I'll also watch part 2 and 3 with you soon, surely! 💖
Just wanna add: I know reading is not so much on anymore in today's culture, but the books (especially Lord of the Rings) are so amazing - you can't have any idea, as long as you haven't read them... the movies are great, but they almost only give a sneak peek of how brilliant the books truly are - there lies the 'real' story... you won't be able to appreciate truly what Tolkien has created until you've read them... I hope you'll do one day... love you guys 🌈
I'm excited y'all are watching this trilogy!
Glad to see you guys watching The Hobbit movies also! Kinda sad, though, that you couldn't do the extended edition for this one but oh well. 🙂 The scenes can be seen on YT as others have said.
I really enjoy rewatching the movies and series you are watching with your added reactions. It is so fun hearing what you think as you are watching them. Also, it made me smile too when Spartan said hobbitses.
The Tooks are historically the most adventurous (and therefore oddest and most foolhardy) of all of the Hobbit families. They are also possessed of the Hobbit Magic in greater strength than the other bloodlines (ability to hide in plain sight, be overlooked by the big folk, nimbleness, ease of escape, hard to lock up or bind, deep affinity for the countryside and the pastoral life and the cycles of nature, that kind of thing). Merry is a Brandybuck - the more sensible Hobbit family. Pippin was the full-on Took. Baggins blends the two bloodlines and manages somehow to be well-regarded by both sides of the families that frequently make different life choices otherwise.
This is why Gandalf knew Bilbo. Gandalf was a longtime friend of the Took family, and Bilbo's aunt Belladonna Took knew the Wizard well enough that he was a guest at Took parties while Bilbo was growing up. (In the Hobbit he's 40-ish I believe).
In ancient Norse legends Dragons are the epitome of greed and covet gold, but are also devious and clever, with powerful personalities. You should NEVER tell a dragon your name as it gives it power over you. Smaug is the ultimate combination of many different Norse legends about dragons, which Tolkien studied in depth. The dragons from Game of Thrones can’t hold a candle to Smaug, as they are more like animals than sentient beings…and Smaug would’ve eaten Daenarys and her dragons whole without pity. When you see Smaug in the next film you’ll understand more.
In regards to the film…it’s different to the book “the Hobbit” which was a child’s book, and the story could’ve been told in 1 film, but it wouldn’t’ve been that interesting for adults. The characters in the book, especially the dwarves, are very one dimensional (literally in the books the only difference between them was the colour of their hoods and Bombur was fat) which wouldn’t translate right to the screen…it would’ve been boring…so Peter Jackson and the other writers had to create personalities and back stories for them…not all totally made up, a lot of information was taken from the appendices of the Lord of the Rings. They also added in scenes that weren’t in the book but, according to the appendices, were happening at the same time as the Hobbit. The first film is a little slow as it is giving a lot of exposition (just like Fellowship of the Ring was), but it’s still very enjoyable.
Hilariously although they created personalities for the dwarves, they didn't keep to them and the dwarves are still clearly interchangeable.
@@Sinewmire Agreed, but I suppose it’s difficult to focus on 13 dwarves and give them in-depth characterisation, so choose to focus on developing a few, whether you believe that to be a good thing or not.
I didn't enjoy The Hobbit movies as much as The Lord of the Rings movies, BUT it was definitely thrilling to return to this world after more than ten years since The Return of the King had come out. Just seeing the costumes, sets and (some) returning characters and hearing the music again was amazing.
Bilbo never had the Eye of Sauron on him while wearing The Ring like Frodo, which is the reason it had less of an effect on him mentally. The Ring knew Frodo was trying to destroy it and was trying it’s best to corrupt him.
One of the sad references is that the Dwarf Balin, is the skeleton the fellowship find in Moria in Fellowship of the Ring
Balin was in tomb in Chamber of Mazarbul, the skeleton that was holding the book of Mazarbul - the book Gandalf read from it was Ori the youngest member of Thorin's Company
The Gollum CGI in this is sooooo much better. He looks absolutely fantastic.
The misty mountains song wasn’t the whole song. Here. I’ll show you: “Far over the Misty Mountains cold, To dungeons deep and caverns old,
We must away, ere break of day,
To seek our pale enchanted gold.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells,
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.
For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gleaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught,
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, on twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun.
Far over the Misty Mountains cold,
To dungeons deep and caverns old,
We must away, ere break of day,
To claim our long-forgotten gold.
Goblets they carved there for themselves,
And harps of gold, where no man delves
There lay they long, and many a song
Was sung unheard by men or elves.
The pines were roaring on the heights,
The wind was moaning in the night,
The fire was red, it flaming spread,
The trees like torches blazed with light.
The bells were ringing in the dale,
And men looked up with faces pale.
The dragon's ire, more fierce than fire,
Laid low their towers and houses frail.
The mountain smoked beneath the moon.
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.
They fled the hall to dying fall
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.
Far over the Misty Mountains grim,
To dungeons deep and caverns dim,
We must away, ere break of day,
To win our harps and gold from him!
The wind was on the withered heath,
But in the forest stirred no leaf:
There shadows lay be night or day,
And dark things silent crept beneath.
The wind came down from mountains cold,
And like a tide it roared and rolled.
The branches groaned, the forest moaned,
And leaves were laid upon the mould.
The wind went on from West to East;
All movement in the forest ceased.
But shrill and harsh across the marsh,
Its whistling voices were released.
The grasses hissed, their tassels bent,
The reeds were rattling-on it went.
O'er shaken pool under heavens cool,
Where racing clouds were torn and rent.
It passed the Lonely Mountain bare,
And swept above the dragon's lair:
There black and dark lay boulders stark,
And flying smoke was in the air.
It left the world and took its flight
Over the wide seas of the night.
The moon set sale upon the gale,
And stars were fanned to leaping light.
Under the Mountain dark and tall,
The King has come unto his hall!
His foe is dead, the Worm of Dread,
And ever so his foes shall fall!
The sword is sharp, the spear is long,
The arrow swift, the Gate is strong.
The heart is bold that looks on gold;
The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.
On silver necklaces they strung
The light of stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, from twisted wire
The melody of harps they wrung.
The mountain throne once more is freed!
O! Wandering folk, the summons heed!
Come haste! Come haste! Across the waste!
The king of friend and kin has need.
Now call we over the mountains cold,
'Come back unto the caverns old!'
Here at the gates the king awaits,
His hands are rich with gems and gold.
The king has come unto his hall
Under the Mountain dark and tall.
The Worm of Dread is slain and dead,
And ever so our foes shall fall!
Farewell we call to hearth and hall!
Though wind may blow and rain may fall,
We must away, ere break of day
Far over the wood and mountain tall.
To Rivendell, where Elves yet dwell
In glades beneath the misty fell.
Through moor and waste we ride in haste,
And whither then we cannot tell.
With foes ahead, behind us dread,
Beneath the sky shall be our bed,
Until at last our toil be passed,
Our journey done, our errand sped.
We must away! We must away!
We ride before the break of day!”
It's awesome hearing your appreciation for the music, Spartan. I feel like so many people overlook scores in so many movies
I really loved these movies! So excited to see you dive back into this world! :D
I'm a Radagast at heart. I've had rabbits for over half my life; they make more sense than people.
I feel kinship with him too. It's a virtue to protect and care for small creatures
@@blazednlovinitWe've got a lot of work to do. 😊💚🌎
Dragons in this universe are WAY bigger than in ASOIAF. Smaug is as little one, Ancalagon is truly enormous, his real size is disputed, but its not out there to suggest he was over a mile wide.
Still, Dany has a 2/3 success rate at getting dragons killed, and one of those died twice! She's perfect for Smaug, if she can't control him, then he won't last long!
I wonder which dragons are bigger, Dragons from this universe or ice dragons ( from Shivering Sea and the White Waste) from ASOIAF (other dragons look like midgets compare to those colosal beasts)
At around @16:49 the one troll snot rockets copious snot onto Bilbo Pudgy gets totally nauseous🤢🤮 & gags & dry heaves which is priceless😆😭😂 Too funny I have a weak stomach for foul scents & scenes too
Hey so I don't know if you guys are into audiobooks or not, but Andy Serkis (the brilliant actor behind Gollum/Smeagol) has narrated the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, and the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. They're amazingly well done, too.
Great reaction guys! Nice when you realized Gandalf s words ,about knowing when not to take a life, and be so eager to deal out death or destruction. It s part of the Tolkien s story, mercy and grace are always the best choices. Take care
Nice reaction. Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece. Fans expecting a similar work is an impossible act. As others have stated it starts with the foundations of the story: The Hobbit is a single book & shorter & simpler story; The Lord of the Rings trilogy is grander & of larger scale. It’s like a short story vs a novel. Both are good but different.
One can enjoy The Hobbit for what it is without having to compare it to Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit isn’t as perfect but it’s still an amazing adventure. Plus it’s always a treat venturing back to Middle-Earth, seeing our favorite character again, & getting deeper knowledge of all the histories & lore of Middle-Earth. The Hobbit will certainly bring this world in sharper relief for you - you guys will gain deeper u understanding of the world & story. Already you’ve learn that after a period of peace evil is growing, why there is a rift between Dwarves & Elves, & of course, how Bilbo found the ring.
The first movie is the weakest in my opinion. They get better & while they don’t attain a level like the Two Towers & Return of the King they are still amazing & loads of fun. Having fun is what it’s all about. You’re, in essence just sharing Bilbo’s adventure which is always a welcome escape. You’re in for a treat & looking forward to the next two. Methinks you’ll love the next two also.
I wasnt expecting that "oh naaauuurrr" across the screen 😂
Smaug was the last dragon alive at this time in Middle-Earth. And he was the smallest there had ever been. Ancalagon the Black was described as being the size of a mountain.
Good for y’all for deciding to go on this journey also 😂 hope you enjoy it !
The animosity between elves and dwarves began when the elf king Thingol was murdered by dwarves in the First Age, several thousand years before this.
Was this in Nargotrond or something similar? Then someone else found the armor of one in the caves years later and used it for own?
@@erixn.It was in the Kingdom of Doriath that Thingol was murdered by dwarves over a necklace containing one of the Silmarils.😭😭😭
Yeah and then those murdering bastards fled and were hunted by the elves(for regicide) and when they got back to their own people they lied and said the elves just started killing them. To give a little bit of background the elf king was a self-righteous arrogant douche, but did nothing more than insult them. Then the dwarves murdered the king and stole the necklace that contain one of the three most precious gems in the entire world.
@nathanprime2434 Face facts, if the dwarves hadn't killed Thingol, then one of Féanor's sons would have done the same job.
Féanor was an A***hole, and that oath he concocted was peak A***holery Generally, I love the elves. However Féanor and his boys deserve to sit in the Halls of Mandos for eternity.
Happy to see you guys looking into the hobbit as well! Love your content
-The time that Gandalf was away researching the ring in the "Fellowship of the Rings" was 17 years. Bilbo's birthday party was also Frodo's birthday. Frodo was 33 years old. When he left on the quest of the fellowship 17 years later, he was 50 years old, the same age as Bilbo when he left on his adventure with the dwarves.
-At the beginning of "Fellowship" 60 years has passed since the time of Bilbo's adventure.
-The trolls in "The Hobbit" (Tom, Bert and William) were mountain trolls. The troll in "Fellowship" was a cave troll, not as advanced as mountain trolls.
-The cave with the trap doors in the floor was the goblins "back door", that is why the floor could open up like it did.
i loved the hobbit movies, the last one is my favourite, especially the extended one. I think you'll enjoy these
The most important scenes in the first Hobbit movie are the ones in the Shire. You get to see that Bolbo has known Gandalf since he was a small child, and Gandalf knew Bilbo's parents. Most of the other extra scenes fill out extra information about the world, some of which doesn't pay off until the second and third movie.
there is also the best bit in all three movies: the Misty Mountains Cold song!
24:53 the friction between elves and dwarves goes back way further than Erebor. During the First Age (this is the Third Age btw) the elven king Thingol commissioned the Dwarves of Belegost to make a jeweled necklace in which Thingol set the Silmaril (most beautiful jewels in existence, contain the light of the Two Trees of Valinor) that Beren and Luthien recovered. This necklace was called the Nauglamir.
Out of greed, the dwarves demanded the Nauglamir, claiming that since it was Dwarven craft it was Dwarven property. When Thingol refused the Dwarves killed him and were then killed by his guards. Except two who escaped and rallied the armies of the dwarves in Belegost who returned and sacked Doriath and took the Nauglamir.
Beren, Thingol’s son in law, met the dwarves with his forces and slew them, recovering the Nauglamir. He then returned it to Luthien, his wife and Thingol’s daughter, and she wore it the rest of her life. And it was later inherited by their son Dior before it was lost in the sea when Dior’s daughter Elwing (Elrond’s mother) threw herself into the sea to escape the Sons of Feanor. Feanor being the elf who had crafted the Silmarils and his sons who had sworn an oath to kill any who kept a Silmaril from them, including other elves.
The Nauglamir and Silmaril were eventually recovered by the Valar (gods) and returned to Elwing and her husband Earendil. And the stories say now that Earendil sails the heavens in his flying ship Vingilot with the Silmaril set in a crown upon his brow, it’s light shining so brightly that it appears as a star in the heavens. This is the “Light of Earendil” that Galadriel gives Frodo in the Fellowship of the Ring.
At 12:20 Gandalf says "But home is now behind you. The world is ahead."
In Return of the King, Pippin sings "Home is behind. The world ahead" for Denethor II while Faramir rides out for battle.
I never noticed the similarities before.
The issue with the hobbit vs the lotr is that in the books, the hobbit came out first. So in the movies they try to force lotr nostalgia. Also lotr is 3 books and 3 movies while hobbit is 1 book made into 3 movies so they have to invent story lines to fill time. Lastly the hobbit overuses CGI, lotr only uses CGI when needed but relies on the natural beauty of new Zealand. The hobbit is almost all CGI
In terms of the books and Tolkien's intentions, the Hobbit was meant to be a children's story and LOTR was for older audiences. So even the source material isn't designed to hit in the same way as the source material for LOTR
@@blazednlovinitLoving your comments. Obviously a true fan like me. Quel fara
Just don't say please that the landscapes are fake, they are not and the New Zealanders would be very angry if you insinuated that. There is enough of the real New Zealand in all of the 3 Hobbit movies. Yes, lots of CGI areas as well. But still there are miniatures of the cities etc.
@@GodmyX People should chill my dude :)
@@danielcarter94 Thank you mate, probably a spectrum-interest lol. I've never been great with language though. You watch Rainbow Dave (TolkienUntangled) I bet?
Found y’all from the LOTR trilogy movies and y’all are just quality people
After watching LoTR and The Hobbit multiple times, its really cool to see how much stuff is mentioned in passing in LoTR be major stuff in The Hobbit
Remember that to this point Saruman the White was good! He wasn’t corrupted yet!
King Tranduil is Prince Legolas father. King of Mirkwood 😊 glad you finally reacted to the Hobbits 😍
the ring didn't fall on Bilbo's finger just by chance. it WANTED to be on his finger just like the ring chose to be on Frodo's finger when he slipped at the Prancing Pony. remember it's a magic ring with a will of it's own
LOL! Kili and Fili, Thorin’s nephews, young and cute. They added sort of a Merry and Pippin vibe. Bombur is the huge orange-haired dwarf, the brother of Bofur, the dwarf in the hat. Their cousin is Bifur, the dwarf with the axe in his head. Dori, Ori and Nori: Dori with the grey beard and grey braids, Ori has the bangs and Nori has the hair that sticks out on the sides. Oin and Gloin, Oin has the earhorn, Gloin has the dark red hair and is the father of Gimli. Oin and Gloin are brothers. Dwalin, of course, the balding dwarf, and his brother, Balin with the long white hair and beard. Balin is a favorite. You know Thorin Oakenshield of course.
Glad to know both of you are seeing The Extended Version of the last two films.
If audiences would have seen the last extended version of "Battle of Five Armies"
I think The films would have been better received; For me The Second Age is the best
era to read. Too Bad Amazon fucked it up, oh well.
IRK, What should’ve been made is a mini series about Beren and Luthien. Would have been epic. The music and the visuals and the overall plot is freaking amazing. And the best part is that both characters are equally badass. They are both complete bosses.
@@nathanprime2434 No argument here, but you know Amazon would
have totally rewritten their story & made it Two "Woke" Lesbians or
something; If I'm not mistaken Professor Tolkien is Buried Next to His
Wife; on Both Headstones, His says: "Beren" & Hers says: "Luthien".
In real life a Catholic Priest who helped raise him & his siblings along with His Mother helped convince Tolkien Not to Pursue/Propose to His Fiancee(?) Until He came back from WWI(?) Sorry I forgot, but the Real Story was quite Romantic & Honorable. Tolkien's Real-Life Grand/Great-Grand Son had a Cameo in LOTR as a Gondorian/Southern-Dunedain
in The Night-Battle/Orc-Landing for Osgiliath.
I am so glad to see you react to the Hobbit. These movies are not perfect but still really enojoyable. Especially the first one.
The overall Timeline is pretty simple for these films.
3000 years ago, Sauron is destroyed and Isildur takes the Ring.
2990ish years ago, Isildur is killed and the Ring is lost in the Anduin River.
500 years ago, Smeagol kills Deagol and takes the Ring on the banks of the Anduin.
60 years ago, Bilbo finds the Ring and Saruman is searching for the Ring (he's becoming evil).
0 years ago, Frodo receives the Ring from Bilbo, this is roughly where The LOTR begins.
17 years later, Frodo leaves the Shire and a year later the Ring is destroyed.
The LOTR films skip the '17 years later' and it's implied to only be a few months after receiving the Ring that he leaves the Shire.
During this 17 year gap
Gandalf and Aragorn search for Gollum after Gandalf gets the truth from Bilbo about how he found the Ring.
Gollum is captured and tortured in Barad-dur and tells Sauron two words, "Baggins" and "Shire".
Sauron sends out the Nine Nazgul to find "Baggins" and the "Shire".
Aragorn captures Gollum in the Dead Marshes and finds out what he told Sauron and how he found the Ring.
Gandalf finds the account of Isildur in Minas Tirith describing how he found the Ring and how to know it's The One Ring. "The markings upon the band begin to face, a secret now that only fire can tell".
Aragorn tells Gandalf what he learned from Gollum.
Aragorn takes Gollum to be imprisoned by the Mirkwood Elves.
Gandalf rushes back to the Shire, now suspecting Bilbo's ring is The One Ring. "I looked everywhere for the creature Gollum, but the enemy found him first".
Gollum escapes their dungeons.
Leoglas leaves Mirkwood to visit Rivendell to tell Aragorn of Gollum's escape.
Just for Spartan: You absolutely used the word “disparity” correctly. Congratulations on sounding smart!
It can be used basically any time you are comparing two things and noting how they are unequal in some manner.
They are every bit as good as the Lord of the Rings The Hobbit was the first book by Tolkien in 1937 and The Lord of the Rings in 1954 to 55 xx ive watched all of them several times over and I love both equally xx enjoy xx
I liked the first movie. I didn't like the other two as much.
Same, the first was more respectful to the source material.
even though it still has some of the problems that are magnified in the sequels, its still a very artistic feeling movie that has a lot of good moments and heart.
The biggest issue with the Hobbit is it had no business being stretched into a trilogy for being such a short book. That being said, it is nice to revisit the familiar faces & places of Middle Earth