FIRST TIME Watching The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug | REACTION & REVIEW
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- The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (Theatrical Edition) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | Reaction and Review
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Introduction: 0:00 - 5:34
Reaction: 5:35 - 48:54
Discussion/Review: 48:55 - 1:00:59
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Smaug us bloody HUGE! and he's intimidating. can't believe the movie ended on such a big cliff hanger!! cant wait for the next one
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The third Hobbit the battle of the five armies theatrical version sucks, u have to watch the ext edition for that one. For the final one the extender edition is way superior gives u a way better battle, wraps it up better as well please please find the extended edition of the battle of the five armies.
Contintuity Error! Smaug links the black arrows to Esgaroth (Lake-town) but it was Lord Girion of Dale who attacked the dragon with the windlance. Granted, the windlance had been transported from the ruins of Dale to Lake-town.
I love you guys appreciation to all of this…. And also, Smaug is literally one of the smallest dragons that ever lived in Middle Earth ;).
@@FabioOsorio619 Well, small compared to the great wyrms of the First Age. Smaug is still the greatest dragon alive in the late Third Age.
@@otaku-sempai2197 yes.
Scenes with Smaug really elevated this movie. Benedict Cumberbatch did a fantastic job voice acting him.
Really outstanging. Everytime I rewatch this movie is for the part of Smaug. I loose interest after that. The movies didn't get to me.
he did the motion capture for Smaug too
He also voiced Sauron in one or a few aswell
I didnt believe that was him when I found out he was the voice of Smaug and I still don't believe it's him now 😆
@@erixn. He voiced Sauron in all appearances, and said his lines backwards which gave them extra distortion when played correctly.
Something that I dont think the movies made clear enough, the jewels that Thranduil (the elf king) wanted back belonged to his dead wife. He essentially said "I will helped you, even though I warned you this would happen, and all I want in return is the jewelry that belonged to my dead wife" and Thorin spat in his face. I do not blame Thranduil in the slightest for not helping them anfter that.
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Why is it I read from others saying he never mentioned the wife nor did they mention exactly what the jewels where/came from, that it was just speculation of what they were from other Tolkien books, not detailed in The Hobbit
Gotta say I have played the two towers game on PlayStation 2 i believe and it was pretty amazing .
Also heard the show of morder game was super good but sadly never played that one personally
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@@midtwilightblueIn the book he also didn't demand treasure from the party, he demanded to know what they were doing in his kingdom, and imprisoned them when they refused to tell him. Thorin _supposed_ that if he found out their quest he would have demanded a share of the treasure to release them, but he didn't actually do so.
I love how Legolas roasted Gimli, before Gimli even knew he existed 🤣🤣🤣
Goblin mutant 😂
Goblin mutant he'll take to Valinor with him, hehehehe @@samcrorie
With "Bilbo, what are you doing man?" as he flicked the spider web, I feel the need to point out that Bilbo is, indeed, half Took.
His mother is Belladonna Took.
😅
What I like about Smaug and Tolkien’s dragons is, they’re not mindless monsters - they’re evil genius psychopaths. They’re Hannibal Lecter in dragon form. In the book, Smaug berates Bilbo for not bothering to figure out the costs of hiring transport and security to get his part of the treasure back home - and Bilbo despairs because that was totally true 🤣
If I remember the lore correctly, you never reveal your true name to a dragon...that knowledge alone would enable it to destroy you simply by using verbal mind games, reinforced with Black Speech, to drive you to madness.
That's why Bilbo kept using titles like "Luck-Wearer" and "Barrel-Rider" to describe himself to Smaug...names have power, and you never willingly give your 'power' to a dragon.
@@Tomani3905it's true.. Ask Ged
@@Tomani3905 I am pretty sure Bilbo made up names to keep the dragon interested and to buy himself some time before he would get killed. I am not sure where you get this weird "lore" about dragon and names. Actually the fake names have more "power" than Bilbos real name. For 2 reasons: The dragon stays curious and doesnt just eats Bilbo. And secondly the dragon deduces information about Bilbos story. Because of the fake names the dragon knows who helped Bilbo and the dwarfes and therefor directs his anger towards the man at the lake.
The original dragon Glaurung in Tolkiens stories didn't need your name to put you under his spell. He just needed eye-contact.
@@nostalji75sort of. In the book it is stated that it is wise not to reveal your proper name to a dragon (my copy doesnt say why), but also not to anger it by flat out refusing to give your name when asked. Thus, bilbo comes up with these titles on the spot to keep smaug interested, yes, but mostly not pissed off
@@Niclout I feel like the reason is obvious and therefor not mentioned: Simply, because dragons are evil. On top of that resentful and smart.
It wouldnt be wise to give personal information to a known murderer would it?^^
I'm not sure if you guys picked up on another connection between these films and the LOTR movies, but the older grey dwarf Balin is Gimli's cousin who he was excited to meet in Moria before they found that the dwarf expedition there had all been killed and Gimli was kneeling and crying in front of his tomb.
Also the skeleton with the book was Ori
And Oin was killed by the watcher in the water, though that's never stated in the movies
Well, they got the fact slightly wrong because Balin is his DAD'S COUSIN, not Gimli's.
@@mevb it’s still a cousin, it’s just annoying to cite the number, so it’s easier to say, “my cousin”
@@user-jt1js5mr3f That'd be like saying your uncle is your brother, which is incorrect as he's your mom or dad's.
The dragon's greed for gold and treasure is just an instinct/desire that dragons in this universe have. One that can often be seen thematically in other media where dragons are utilized, you might see them with their own hoard of treasure.
Anyway, I also really liked this one. It was my favorite of the three, specifically because of Smaug. I agree that he has a very strong presence in this film.
Well, I do enjoy the dragon, but I dislike enormously the 'bad' characters in Lake Town, I can't watch the parts where they appear, they are so stupid. That's why I prefer the first movie of the Hobbit, where we see the evolution of Bilbo and Thorin and the meeting between Bilbo and Gollum.
@@aaronia8092that's cause "The Hobbit" was a book written for children - it had loads of 1-dimensional characters in it. The movies really improved it a lot. People always seem to forget that...
@@aaronia8092The Master and Alfrid are not really stupid, just powerhungry and greedy bastards who only care for themselves, similar to Trump and other rotten eggs for politians (such as the dictators of the world like Edrogan, Putin, The President of China, The Talibans, The Royal Family Saudi-Arabia and Kim Um-Jong). They're opposite of the noble kings such as Bard and Aragorn.
when bilbo finds the ring again after dropping it makes me laugh everytime🤣 the way he says ‘mine’ like a little goblin
Different effect on me. He scared me when he said "mine" actually. It's really showing how the Ring was slowly possessing him.
@@beige_projection yes I know that but still funny
Reminded me more of Gollum when he said that
Like a little gollum
Trash goblin
A quick opening couple of fun lore:
-Balin (the dwarf second in command in this group), is who's tomb that was in the Mine's of Moria. And the young, big nosed dwarf here, Ori, is the skeleton that was holding the book gandalf reads from about the drums. A couple others from this group also died in Moria (taken by the squid thing at the lake)
-The wizards are not humans, and they have to follow the rules set forth by the beings that sent them. Thats why they can't use their full power. They are meant to be advisors only as the mortal race's fates are their own.
It was just one other member of the company that went to Moria, Oin.
The Bilbo and Smaug scene is incredible. Love the way Martin Freeman portrays Bilbo here.
I love Martin freeman as bilbo so much in general
I love the songs that play during the early end credits in each of the 6 movies:
LOTR: The Fellowhip of the Ring - "May It Be" (Enya)
LOTR: The Two Towers - "Gollum's song" (Emiliana Torrini)
LOTR: The Return of the King - "Into the West" (Annie Lennox) - This is my absolute favorite.
The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - "Song of the Lonely Mountain" (Neill Finn)
The Hobbit - The Desolation of Smaug - "I See Fire" (Ed Sheeran)
The Hobbit - The Battle of the Five Armies - "The Last Goodbye" (Billy Boyd)
thank you for this ❤
Billy boyd, also known as peppin, also know as fool of a took.
To answer Pudgey’s question why smaug wants or is drawn to gold, Tolkien (the writer) based most of his work from Norse mythology. Smaug is loosely based on the dragon Fafnir, the dragon of greed who is obsessed with gold and even killed his father Hreiðmarr to hoard all of his family’s riches for his own.
You could say that Morgoth had created dragons specifically to destroy Elvish and Dwarvish kingdoms and take their wealth out of play. Breeding an innate desire for hoarding treasure for its own sake to serve no useful purpose into the race of dragons would be useful to that end.
it was mostly Beowulf. even the thing about stealing a single cup and angering the dragon was directly from it.
NO SPOILERS CONTAINED IN COMMENT: The dragons in Tolkien are not in League with Sauron they are an independent force and they answer to no one not even each other. The hording of Gold is a part of their greed and vanity as said in the book "Dragons are simply greedy by nature, and that combined with an inability to "make a thing for themselves" has apparently driven them to horde precious items made by others." "Dragons steal gold and jewels, you know, from men and elves and dwarves, wherever they can find them; and they guard their plunder as long as they live (which is practically forever, unless they are killed), and never enjoy a brass ring of it. Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they usually have a good notion of the current market value; and they can't make a thing for themselves, not even mend a little loose scale of their armour." In Tolkien lore Dragons were created by Morgoroth the dark lord who trained Sauron and they basically rebelled and went their own way. It is implied that ever since they basically carve out their own patch and keep it, though the movie implies Gandalf is afraid of Smaug making a deal with Sauron. Dragons are therefore attracted to any large horde of wealth such as the one gathered in the lonely mountain, and are often considered a reflection of a peoples or individuals greed when they arrive to take their treasure.
Hope that helps a little with understanding the dragon. Loving your reactions to Tolkien. I am a bit of a purist and these movies annoyed me when they first came out as they add large tracks of content to the novels story but with time I have grown fond of them through other peoples eyes, as they take in the amazing world of Middle Earth.
Dragons do answer, or better said, answered to someone...to Morgoth, but since he's long gone, yeah, whatever dragons or better said drakes remained, are independent in the current age.
@@Quankhi1 They kind of went rouge prior to morgoths fall "Many of Morgoth's creatures were destroyed but others, like Orcs, Drakes, and Balrogs remained and served Sauron in his reign, although only the Balrog called Durin's Bane appeared in Eriador after The War. Also, many of Morgoth's dragons fled the war and reproduced over centuries to bother distant lands, most notably Smaug The Terrible in Erebor and Esgaroth / Lake-town." -The Creatures of Darkness Appendix to the History of Middle Earth. but yeah more or less. :)
Dragon's don't answer to Sauron but Gandalf feared that Smaug might ally with Sauron when he returned so that's a major reason why he wanted Thorin and the dwarves to go on the quest and liberate Erebor.
its coz he ate like 3 dwarf power rings, wich then answer to one ring
With the decision to stretch this story out into a full three movies, it's kind of a shame we didn't get the book version of introducing Beorn to all of the dwarves. It's fun to get to see them use the exact same trick they used on Bilbo, slowly getting him to accept one dwarf, then a couple more, then another, but now you're seeing it from the perspective of Bilbo and the dwarves.
Yeah, kinda funny how they bloated the book into 3 movies yet alot of the major scenes that are actually in the book are noticeably different and feel very rushed.
@bobdonda this scene is in the extended edition of this movie. Like exactly how it is in the book.
@@thevikingg In the book that scene is quite different (is a funny and comedic long scene), while in the movie - even in the Extended Edition - is a brief and a bit wasted scene, with no particular fun.
The way Benedict Cumberbatch delivers his "I am fire. I am... Death." always sends chills down my spine.
You should hear Smaug in german ... sounds like literal draconic ...
@@Lagi42800like anything in German😂❤
Yeah true lol
Gloin is indeed Gimli's father. You can actually see a glimpse of a much older Gloin in Fellowship of the Ring; he's the grey-bearded dwarf who arrives at Rivendell together with Gimli. (In the book, Gloin has a slightly larger role; he tells Frodo about what the dwarves are up to these days... that was cut from the movie though.)
Good reaction but you miss the point of the gold…it causes greed. For example, Thrain, Thorin grandfather became so greedy that he betrayed Thranduil (Legolas’ dad) by refusing to give him the jewels that belonged to his dead wife. This caused the rift between the Dwarves of Erebor and the Elves of the Woodland realm, hence why they wouldn’t help them after the dragon attacked. Dragons are the epitome of greed, in some Norse legends they were men once whose greed so corrupted them they turned into dragons. The dragon just “wants” the treasure, that’s it, that’s it full motivation. When Smaug was taunting Bilbo he also warned him of the effect the treasure has on people, and mocks about letting him give the Arkenstone to Thorin so it will corrupt him. I also find it amusing that you honestly believe that any Targaryen would stand a chance with Smaug. The dragons from Game of Thrones are animals, Smaug is a sentient being who is literally corrupt, sadistic and evil to his core. He would decimate the Targaryen’s and eat them and their dragons whole. You notice his sadism as he decides to attack Laketown rather than just kill Bilbo, this is because he know the guilt Bilbo would feel for the deaths in Laketown would eat away at him forever. That’s far more satisfying to Smaug than just killing Bilbo.
Is it ever explained how the dwarves got Thranduil's wife's necklace? Were they making it for her and then she died & so they kept it?
In addition, the dragons in game of thrones we're pierced by normal spears/javelins many times. Smaug was nearly impenetrable.
@@HornsoftheStagg It was gifted to Thorin's grandfather before her death.
And thats what happen to folks like Dwarves, imagine what it does to human, a less resistant race towards greed
@@IrvingnatorActually, dwarves are anything but "more resistant" to greed. It's a common thing for dwarves specifically to fall to, even moreso than men. It was their greed that caused the doom of Erebor and it was their greed that made them dig too deep in Moria.
Smaug isn’t really a servant of Sauron, he’s more like Sauron and the balrog, surviving minions of melkor/morgoth, the satin of the universe who all of the evil things (basically all, much more than Sauron ever has) did the bidding for.
if you guys remember the tomb in moria where gandalf and the fellowship go there is a tomb that says "here lies Balin" that balin is the old dwarf in this company
35:45 There are quite a few extended scenes in the extended edition, which I wish you had seen. I think in those they explain that thorin's father had 1 of the 7 dwarven rings of power from Sauron and that's what drove his greed to collect more and more gold, ehich ultimately attracted the dragon 'Smaug' to come there.
There is also an extended scene before Gandalf fights Sauron in Dol Guldur, where Gandalf actually finds Thorin's father 'Thrain' still alive and imprisoned there. Then Thrain gives Gandalf a last message for Thorin before he dieds.
i dunno why they aren’t just renting them…. like cmon… this is ur channel, it’s what the people want!
I know. These scenes were important, and should have been included in the original theatrical release. There is a lot of other stuff that could have ended up on the cutting room floor.
@@aaronj0sephespecially when people on Patreon pay to watch the reactions lol. They aren’t expensive to rent 😂
like... u can't spend $4.99 to make a video.... lol please@@stacebrewer
@@stacebreweror they could just buy them on DVD like normal people did.
idc what anyone says I love this series, definitely not as much as LOTR trilogy but I just love this world and characters. but just imagine seeing this movie in theaters (which I did) and that ending scene with Smaug 'I am fire, I am death' gives me chills everytime. Probably my favorite part of this movie. then the crushing disappointment of it ending there and having to wait a year for the final movie. I was crushed lmao. great reaction guys!
Totally agree. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a masterpiece & a set of 3 movies that are among the greatest ever made. Tolkien is the grandfather of fantasy & it’s obviously easy to argue that much of the fantasy-adventure books, movies & games along with other genres wouldn’t be around without the influence of Tolkien’s works. Innocently Spartan & Pudgy said “movie X or TV show Y” reminds them of Lord of the Rings but LotR is the influence not the influenced. Anyway, expecting it to live up to the LotR or comparing it is an impossible task. The Hobbit is a different story & it’s a big story but doesn’t have the scope & scale of The Lord of the Rings. It’s 1 book versus 3. The Hobbit movie deserves to be judged in its own, not compared. It has some flaws but is a fantastic trilogy in its own right. I loved it despite some small issues. Plus it’s always amazing to be able to journey back to Middle Earth. I can watch all 6 movies repeatedly & it never gets old. These are some of the greatest stories ever put to paper or brought to the big screen thanks to JRR Tolkien’s genius & also thanks to Peter’s Jackson’s hard work & industriousness.
That scene where Smaug flies away all covered in gold and all, in the cinema... it was amazing.
I mean just the sheer being of Smaug was an incredible experience in cinema. That dragon was so huge, that voice, sound mixing and all. And the music, Howard Shore, always the artist.
Smaug's eye looking like Sauron is probably just coincidence, but the whole reason why Gandalf was involved with Thorin at all was due to his suspicion of Sauron's return. Dragons are very powerful creatures, on par or stronger than balrogs. Smaug is considered to be a smaller dragon, but definitely would be able to defeat the balrog of Moria (Durin's Bane). And you nor Gandalf would want a powerful creature like Smaug to be guided by the will of Sauron.
My rationale for Smaug beating Durin's Bane is that DB is afraid of Glorfindel, Elrond, and the other elves. Smaug isn't shown to have this fear. Hell, Smaug probably doesn't fear Sauron, but would bend under his will eventually. I do believe that Smaug would be slain if he encountered the elves of Rivendell, but he could easily dispatch any elf with a single a bite if they are not careful.
Imagine Smaug with the power of the Ring
And because he suspected Sauron's return Gandalf also wanted to reestablish the kingdom of Erebor, and unintentionally Dale, to strengthen the forces that would stand against Sauron.
Smaug is considered small compared to the dragons of the First and Second Ages but he is called the last of the great dragons. Also Durin's Bane isn't really shown to fear the elves, it's just that Glorfindel barely managed to kill one at the cost of his own life. Balrogs are corrupted Maiar just like Sauron, it's just that Sauron was the most powerful Maiar to follow Morgoth, the others just became demons of fire and shadow.
Also the Smaug's eye looking like Sauron's eye is definitely a coincidence, that's just what the eyes of reptiles look like.
"Here lies Balin, son of Fundin, Lord of Moria. He is dead then. It's as I feared."
37:34 What happens when you wear a ring of power depends on the ring and it's wearer I think. The 3 elven rings of power for example,which Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond are currently wearing did have positive effects on the world and people around them (without Sauron having the 1 ring, to be controlled with).
I died laughing at the flute at the end and Pudgey saying “this song is beautiful”
When bombur was running past them, the looks of surprise were completely genuine. The actors also had a lot of fun doing the barrel scene
And contrary to what a lot of people complain about (a lot of CGI and green screen and all), the barrel scene was a lot of practical effect, and the actors freezing their butts off in a literal river.
For the 3rd film you HAVE to watch the extended version. Some of the best stuff are not there in the theatrical version of it
Pudgey vibing to the ending song and the flute 😂😂
You probably already know but both Martin Freeman/Bilbo and Benedict Cumberbatch/Smaug starred together in BBC Sherlock series. They're epic together.
Please watch the extended edition of the third part! It is a completely different experience!
When I watched the theatrical version of „The Hobbit - Battle of the five armies“ in the cinema it was the worst part of the trilogie for me. But when I watched the extended version it was my favorite part 😅
Absolutely agree.
Facts😂
Me too.
Agreed, extended version of the last one is so good
Abolutely disagree. Lack of rythm and too much nonsense in this battle.
There's something you probably started realizing about the connections/relations of the dwarves in the Hobbit to Gimli from LotR. Gimli's line in the Fellowship was "Gandalf, we could pass through the Mines of Moria. My cousin, Balin, would give us a royal welcome." I was curious to see if you guys caught that throughout the Hobbit.
The spiders we see in this movie are children of the big spider we saw in LOTR, whose name was Shelob. Shelob was the last great child of Ungoliant, who was around before the sun and moon and creation, and was basically darkness and gluttony and greed incarnate. Her webs were made of darkness and she fed on light. Ungoliant was not born or made, she just was. Shelob still has some “magic” in her, and these spiders have lost most of the magic ungoliant had. They eventually went onto become the spiders we have today (Tolkien viewed his works as ancient history for the world)
Benedict Cumberbutch did a sensational job voicing Smaug. Half the credit for the dragon's emotional impact goes to him 💖
I love the scenes in Dol Guldur, they are only vaguely told in the books!
I have to say: Pudgey's laugh is one of the most contagious things I've ever seen/heard 😆
Remember when gimli ran to the tombstone in the cave and cried, it was Balins tomb, the old dwarf in this movie
That white beard dwarf at 32:50 ... Balin... You met his name before.. At fellowship of the ring.. Gimli mourn for him inside of the Moria mines.. Remember? Here lies Balin, son of Fundin.. You remember the balrog scene? There was a stone grave that gimli mourns.. That was Balin's grave..
The title is referring to the environment surrounding a dragon who has taken over a territory and established a treasure hoard. Everything is burned and destroyed. The Lonely Mountain and all the land around it is the Desolation of Smaug.
Yes, and you mention the 'treasure hoard'. It's not that a dragon needs the money or jewels for any other goal, it's like that's what dragons do: they amass treasures. This is some big part of dragons' lore in old legends and fantasy.
In the book, Gandalf never intended to go all the way to Erebor with the dwarves and was very up-front about it. He only planned to see them safely over the Misty Mountains, that's what Bilbo the "lucky number" fourteen member of the company. It was after Gandalf parted from the Company of Thorin that he was to meet up with a "great council of white wizards" (revealed in The Lord of the Rings to be the White Council).
Yes, Thranduil, the Elvenking, is the Wood-elf king who refused to aid the Dwarves against Smaug. Legolas does not originally appear in The Hobbit for the simple reason that Tolkien had not yet created him. But it's easy to imagine that he would have been around somewhere as he is at least several hundred of years old.
Smaug is larger in the films than Tolkien imagined him (although I believe that Tolkien did state that he got Smaug's scale a bit wrong in his most famous painting of the dragon in his lair). Thorin's grandfather Thror was King under the Mountain; now that Smaug controls the Lonely Mountain he styles himself as King under the Mountain.
Presumably, in the book, Legolas is somewhere in Thranduil's entourage, he just is not important enough to the story to mention. Granted Tolkien does not mention him, because that a son of Thrahnduil would have any importance down the line when he wrote "The Hobbit".
@@mjbull5156 That's fine if you insist on an in-universe reason for Legolas' lack of appearance in the story, but the simple truth is that Tolkien had not yet thought of him.
In Norse mythology, and other European mythologies that involve dragons, they are depicted as being hoarders of wealth, and that in hoarding wealth, it brings death and destruction.
A huuuuge applause to Benedict Cumberbatch for the “role” of the Smaug!
There’s a video of how he makes the dragon wearing a costume! He was moving and then with cgi they made the dragon! You should watch that!
Also, his voice is incredible!
He’s not only the Dragon but the Black Speech we hear in these films is made by him!
And the also did a trick of recording the words being speaking backwards like Hobbit > tibbioH and then they played it normally to make Black Speech sound eyrie!
Long story short:
The jewellery that Thranduil wants belonged to his wife. The dwarves were asked to bind them and fashion a necklace or something and then Thranduil could give it to his wife.
Thranduil’s wife got killed and never retrieved that present!
Thranduil went to the Dwarves to retrieve those gems anyway because he payed for them. But the Dwarves liked very much their creation and asked from Thranduil to pay more, he denied claiming that he already payed too much and the Dwarves refused to give them to Thranduil.
Thy was the point the the Elves of Mirkwood stopped having relations with the Dwarves and of course they didn’t helped them what Smaug came to Erebor!
Came here to say this. The video of Benedict filming this scene is amazing and a must watch
The reason that Legolas paused and looked back at the door to the elven keep was because (with his sharp elven ears) he thought he heard faint footsteps.
To the point made by pudgey regarding the plot of the movie being given away in the title: The desolation of smaug refers to the destruction that smaug has caused (and is capable of causing) over the years. It doesnt relate to smaug’s destruction.
Yes, indeed. Smaug caused Moria to be completely desolate. Also, Pudgey says “King of what? He’s King of no one” when Smaug says “I AM King Under the Mountain.” Smaug operates alone. He’s King because no one can oppose him & he has all their wealth & kingdom. It’s not just what Smaug has, but what the dwarves don’t have. With Smaug as King Under the Mountain, the dwarves don’t have their wealth or home. Smaug doesn’t want to rule over a people as a sign of power. He is powerful & unopposed. That’s his power. He has everything they want & covet & are powerless against him, so that makes him king; he’s not a king by dint of ruling over them.
Smaug: * Onscreen *
Pudgey: NAAAAUUUUURRRRR
13:34 - that was a funny little effect you added in there 🦋🦋🦋
Something to remember is when Gimli cried out in Moria over his cousins death… this is Balin, the Balin who died there. A few of the other dwarves from this party were there too so you already know their fates (I think the youngest dwarf and another I can’t recall)
I love your reaction when you found Gloin is Gimli's father ❤
Yes, Gimli introduces himself as 'Gimli, son of Gloin'. So when Gloin was introduced in the previous movie, we could have guessed who he was, but it was great anywat that they added the scene with Gloin's pictures of his family.
Gandolf had a feeling Sauron was on the rise again... and knew if Smaug joined with the dark lord things would be bad so he arranged this adventure
Yes, Spartan & Pudgey talk about seeing here the first traces of Sauron, but for the elders in Middle Earth (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel...) this is the 'return of Sauron'; they knew him and his deviousness from previous Ages.
Glad you are enjoying these still and have kept the Spartan and pudgey promise of making your own evaluation of it. I honestly think the movies are good in their own rights and back in the enriched lore world is always good. Are they as good as lord of the rings? No. Are they enjoyable and quite fun in their own right? Hell yes. Also loving the extra effects in the videos guys. Top notch editing.
"My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail is a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!"
Smaug is BOSS :) The end is one amazing cliffhanger, with a extraordinary chilling phrase by Smaug..."I am fire! I am... death!"... and then :( wait 1 year please! :)
"Gold is desirable to dragons because other beings desire it. It satisfies a dragon’s immense ego and need to project their importance, to sit on a pile of gold and say, “Ha ha ha, I have this and you don’t. Therefore, look at me and despair that I’m so much greater than you are!”... "In Tolkien’s Hobbit, it plays a little differently from the movie. In the book, Bilbo perceives Smaug’s immense vanity (“Don’t you think I’m the most magnificent creature alive?”) and Biblo plays upon this vanity to buy time and avoid being killed".
What makes this film better:
• More dwarve vs elf backstory
• Legolas and Tauriel
• Gandalf vs The Eye
• Laketown
AND the entire interaction with Smaug from him waking up until the end of the film is an incredible cinematic CGI achievement.
The extended versions really do make the Hobbit series better imo. I would have waited and somehow got my hands on those instead, but your reactions to these is still great content. Love the channel guys.
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Just a heads up “The Desolation of Smaug” refers to an area of land in and around Erebor. Not the verb of desolation. Can’t wait to finish the reaction!!
Pudgey, hope you feel better, praying for you!
Sorry for my bad english before you read this but I hope this could help your understanding of dragon's greed for gold.
Smaug's obsession for gold is pure greed even without using it. And this is not just for Smaug but all dragons. So they said that dwarven king's obsession for gold actually called Smaug to the mountain. And in the book they also called the obsession as "dragon sickness".
The dragons were created by Morgoth, who was the master of Sauron in the first age in Tolkien’s lore. Smaug was not a servant of Sauron, though he probably would have been sympathetic to Sauron’s aims.
There are several videogames based on the movies, but the closest you will have to a Witcher style of RPG is actually Lord of the Rings Online (LOTRO). They based the openworld on the books, and you get to accompany the right behind Frodo and the Fellowship, as the main quests desl with events and characters on the side lines or right after our heroes have to move. It's a free MMO, with lots to do. Check it out if you are interested.
Is that pc only or can I play it on xbox?
Completely agree. I can really recommend playing LOTRO if you like Tolkiens world. The game is true to the books and all the lore is so much expanded. You will visit all the mentioned places, regions and people, and beyond. Its a very large game and perfect for playing co-op.
Also gonna shout out many of the actual tabletop RPG set in Middle Earth if you're into that.
@@jemaselite8076it’s pc, it’s a massive game
@@jemaselite8076 I don't believe so, I'm afraid. It is an older MMO, even visually, by our standards, so it doss not have that compatability. At least as of this time of writing.
if you havent noticed yet balin (the old dwarf) was the dwarf who had made an expedition to reclaim moria, the one entombed and mourned by gimli :c
Last time I was this early Ned Stark was still alive 😅
Well done. Well done. 👏 😂
Baird is the same actor who played Gaston in the live action beauty and the beast, Luke Evans. Thranduil is Lee Pace (he played Ronon in Marvel, halt and catch fire, and pushing daisies). And Kili is played by Aiden Turner who was in great shows like Poldark
This was the first film I ever fell asleep in a theatre. Like full blown, just completely fell asleep, and woke up and the lights were on and the theatre was empty.
Love the reactions guys. Hope you get well soon Pudgey!
I died laughing at the recorder at the end!! Also the credits song here is sung by Ed Sheeran and the credits song for the next movie which you've probably seen by now is sung by Billy Boyd (Pippin)
LOVE the editing ov these videos. subtle camera shake when dragon stomps and other details that make a big difference
“Imagine coming so close and you can’t even find a hole” hahahaha oh gosh 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love The Desolation of Smaug my favourite of the hobbit franchise so excited to watch your reaction wishing you a speedy recovery Pudgey - edit you guys will probably love the next one even more ❤
If you really want to explore more of the world you should do reactions to some stories from silmarilion. There are plenty of channels that compile them and present them as stories. The world is much bigger with thousands of years in history. There are also some unbelievable stories that are not made into movies like Beren and Luthien, and children of Hurin. I would love to see you guys react to those
Just for context
Smaug is Voiced and Played by Benedict Cumberbatch Aka Doctor Strange in MCU
Also Smaug is considered one of the smallest Dragons of Middle-Earth and the last living dragon but he's one of the few who could talk in common tongue
In the book, one of the epthets for the dragon is "Smaug the Golden". Covering him in gold is he way the movie justifies this title.
What Smaug said to Thorin was "I am King under the Mountain!" because that is the title that was held by the Dwarf kings of the lonely mountain that he took from them. He's basically just saying "I took this kingdom from your kind and you won't get it back!". In this sense, Smaug is what Thorin wants to be.
Pudgey makes being sick look good. Still as radiant as ever.
Don't know if you picked up on this, but one of the dwarves, the oldest is named Balin. It's the same Balin son of Fundin who the Fellowship finds dead in his tomb in Moria in the first Lord of the Rings trilogy. He's Gimli's cousin and tried to reconquer Khazad Dûm some 80 years before the Fellowship came there, but failed. Ori the youngest dwarf went with him as the documenter of the effort, and he's the dead dwarf from whom Gandalf gets the book where they read of "drums in the deep" before the goblins attack.
"Why would he want so much gold?" When writing his books Tolkein took a lot from myths and folklore, especially from the UK and Europe. In European folklore dragons are depicted as greedy, often guarding hoards of treasure. So Smaug wants his gold because it's the treasure he's hoarded and it's as simple as that. As for why he called himself King, I think Spartan was right here in that he was taunting the dwarves by saying that he owned this mountain now instead of them.
Honestly, the scenes in this movie with Smaug and Bilbo are some of my favorite in all the Hobbit movies. Definitely agree with a previous commenter that the voice acting on Smaug, especially, is fantastic.
"Imagine coming so close, and you can't even find the hole".
Just isolating this quote, out of context...
Remember in Game of Thrones when Viserys gets the gold poured on his head. Dany said, if he was a real dragon he wouldn't have died. So i think we can safely say, that molten gold has no effect on a dragon... Dragons are fire-made flesh.
What i love about Smaug is also what makes him so terrifying, the fact that at will he can choose to move so so silently, you dont even know hes behind you untill he speaks, very cool.
One thing that was in the extended cut: Gandalf actually runs into Throin's father, Thrain in Dol Goldur. They have a brief conversation that ends with Thrain saying "Will you tell my son that I love him?" before being killed by Sauron.
Legolas wasn't in the Hobbit book as when Tolkien wrote it, he hadn't come up with him yet. It was only when he wrote The Lord of the Rings that he came up with him. Though it's plausable that he'd be around consindering most elves are between a couple of hundreds to a couple of thousands of years old (in Galadriel's case several thousands, she's among the oldest elves alive, though Cirdan the Shipwright who lived in The Grey Havens are even older than her) and he probably was born shortly after The Battle of Last Alliance.
36:23 Gandalf explains why they needed Bilbo to find the heart of the mountain at one point in the first movie I believe. Smaug knows what dwarfs smell like, but he’s never encountered a hobbit before, so Bilbo might be able to go in unnoticed. Thats why Bilbo was the only one to go looking for the stone.
The dragons of Middle Earth were bred by Sauron's master Morgoth (who is basically the Devil in that universe) thousands of years before, in the First Age (The Hobbit takes place in the Third Age). Smaug is one of those dragons, or a descendant of them. Therefore, he does not serve Sauron, but he might recognise him as another servant of Morgoth.
Nice touch with the butterflies. I really enjoyed that. 😊
as a person who lives with chronic headaches - I understand what it's like and Pudgey has my deepest sympathy. et better soon.
Pudgey looking even more amazing with them glasses! :D
Well hopefully. Pudgey feels better soon!
Benedict Cumberbatch's voice is perfect for Smog. I love Luke Evans. He is my favourite Dracula
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@@Makkaru112 my mistake. Thank U 😁
The bad recorder music at the end KILLED me! Ha ha ha ha, so funny.
The first one was closer to the plot and spirit of the book. But I did enjoy this film (apart from the running around in the mountain and the gold bit, for me).
The “This song is beautiful!” bit cracked me up 😂
The way the second one ends is the most glaring example of the fact that they were stretching these movies as long as possible to make it a trilogy. It could have easily been 2 movies. The ONLY reason they don't end this movie with the dragon fight is just so they have something to cliffhanger you into caring about the third movie and to pad out the 3rd movie by starting it with the dragon fight. They should have cut out the made up pale orc plotline and made up romance, then had the first one end when they get imprisoned by the elves, or when they escape after the barrel scene. Then the second one would start with them going to laketown, still cut all the made up pale orc and romance stuff, and end where the 3rd movie ends. It NEVER needed to be 3 movies.
There are supposedly high quality "fan edits" that cut all 3 movies down to like 5hrs and supposedly they're a big improvement, but I haven't watched any of them yet myself.
When pudgey started vibing to the off key flute 😂
One detail about the key hole to the secret door have been changed from the book to the film: in the book it's suppoused to be when the sun and the moon are on the sky at the same time on Durin's Day, while in the movie it's the last light, which turns out not the sunlight but the moonlight. This was probably changed for the sake of drama.
In the book, Gandalf didn't actually get caught. He was secretly investigating the Necromancer and broke into his dungeon, where he met Thrain. That was where Thrain gave Gandalf the map and key that Gandalf passed to Thorin in Bilbo's sitting room...which the readers don't actually find out until the Council at Rivendell in Fellowship of the Ring. Basically, Gandalf snuck in and snuck out before the book even started and his major goal there was to quietly not get caught, rather than drawing everyone's attention by breaking the spell. However, if they wanted to tell that part of the story, they needed to show everything out of sequence, so they needed to change some things. More on adventures at Dol Guldur after you release the Battle of Five Armies. 😉
You mentioned how different Legolas is. That's because Legolas in The Hobbit is literally a different character. Legolas hadn't been created yet when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit, but, in retrospect, it makes sense that Legolas would be there. So they took the story of Elrond's sons (since they ended up cutting them out of LOTR movies) and gave that story to Legolas and Thranduil, instead. I actually didn't like the change for Legolas, but I like that Pudgey picked up on the difference and I'm glad she enjoyed it anyway. And, even if I don't like what it did to Legolas, I do like how re-purposing that story gave a chance to flesh out King Thranduil in such a beautifully Elven way. Elrond's sons *were* more grim than a lot of Elves, for good reason.
And, yes, the river battle was still a lot of fun to watch, and, yes, Benedict Cumberbatch is *amazing* as Smaug!
"IMAGINE COMING DOWN SO CLOSE BUT YOU CANT EVEN FIND A HOLE"....HAHAHAHAHAHAH! PUDGEY!!
Okay, some lore info. Balin was fated to die as the last lord of Moria, the dwarf in the crypt. The one holding the book that Gandalf reads was Ori. Gloin was Gimli's father.
So, just some fun lore. Gandalf, the Balrog that he fought in Moria, Saruman, and Sauron are all essentially the same type of beings, Maiar, who are essentially angels. Sprits created by the Valar (the Gods essentially) to shape the creation of Middle Earth. Wizards like Sauron and Saruman were basically sent by the Valar to Middle Earth to help the "lesser" beings deal with Sauron, but in coming to Middle Earth were bound to aged human bodies to suppress their power and cloak their true nature so that humans, elves, and whatnot would be more trusting of their counsel and not seen as trying to supplant them. They are their to advise and prod, not rule. Balrog and Sauron are corrupted angels from the creation of Middle Earth, they basically sided with this world's version of the Devil.
Which helps you understand Gandalf's badass line in Fellowship when confronting the Balrog, ""I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow!"
Translation: You might see an old man, but I'm actually an angel just like you. But, I'm not corrupted. I serve God. You are the servant of a defeated Devil. If you know what's good for you, you'll return to the shadows like your master because you're not getting past me.
In regards to Smaug (and dragons as a whole in Tolkienian lore) hoarding gold and wealth, it's best to let the man himself tell you:
"Dragons may not have much real use for all their wealth, but they know it to an ounce as a rule, especially after long possession; and Smaug was no exception." ~ J.R.R. Tolkein, The Hobbit Chapter XII.
Something that none of the movies really made clear, but was mentioned in the books; in regards to the ring's powers, Galadriel says in the scene where she gives Frodo the vial of light that if he could bend his mind to the domination of others, he would be able to use the ring to that effect. So I think that it is because the Hobbits only ever use the ring when they want to hide, that's the power it grants to them.
Absolutely amazing movie experience. Come to appreciate it more now. In the cinema Smaug was absolutely chilling.
Sorry you are not feeling well Pudgey. Hope you get better soon.
Another excellent reaction from you guys.
😂 HAHA Pudgeys realisation after saying "imagine coming so close and not being able to find the hole" 30:22 😂😂😂