The Stiffest Bike We've Ever Tested: Pole Onni Review | 2023 Enduro Bike Field Test
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2023
- Pole are known for their unconventional bikes and the Onni is no exception, providing an exceptionally stiff ride feel that will divide opinions. Join our editors to see how it handled the trails of Whistler Bike Park.
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As a machinist for the past 28 years (my gawd that makes me sound old!) I love the look! Stiffness is a definite deterrent. As far as water bottles go, simple = go buy a fanny pack From High Above and you're good to go!
Waiting for Vikkela review
Watching this while I have a Proflex 856 frame on the wall above the screen and there is a lot in common with this suspension design, seems like same kind of idea but with a different linkage to the shock that gives it a much higher leverage ratio/way more travel. 856 is/was also extremely stiff in the rear with the box section stays. Another thing in common was the Proflex was very limited in how far the height of the seatpost could be adjusted
Come on yall! Show some enthusiasm in your videos. I feel like I’m at a poetry reading at a coffee shop.
Why didn't you test the vikkela? That is their design for pedaling Enduro. The onni was designed off of the sonni, which was their ebike gravity bike. Can't hate a frame designed for a motor and not pedaling. It is there stiffest model by design, the vikkela is a lot more flexible.
Sounds like you just selected the wrong bike from the manufacturer for the wrong purpose. And it was also intended for 200/200. Not 170/160.
Vikkela is less stiff, 200/200, can carry 2 water bottles in main frame, and can get race axle as an option to stiffen
very, very reasonable question!
totally agree,
From another thread, this is the bike that pole wanted them to test. They test the bikes companies send them.
We spoke with Pole and the Onni is the one they suggested - it can be built up as either an enduro, 'downduro', or DH bike, and given the fact that much of our testing was going to be taking place in the Whistler Bike Park it seemed like the most appropriate option. - Mike Kazimer
Pole should have sent them both bikes. I wish they would have as it would be great to understand the difference between the models from an unbiased source. I have the motor-on version of the Vikkela (Voima) and upgraded to the race axles to make it more stiff. At 200 lbs I wouldn't consider it a stiff bike at all.
Why wouldn’t you have reviewed the Pole Vikkelä in this category? Seems like they’re 160 or 190(!?) trail bike that supports water bottles would have been a better comparison. No?
Hi, I've answered the question in another comment thread. Hope that helps. Thanks!
Yeah I definitely agree with this
Pole advertises Vikkela as a trail bike and the 190 version would have more travel than any other enduro in this test. The Onni in Enduro config with 170/160 seems like it fits this test better. The Vikkela in 160/150 would be more of a trail/all-mountain bike than an enduro.
Seems like the problem is more on Pole than Pinkbike for not offering Vikkela in 170/180 travel config to me.
@@brian6speedall were offered in 190 first. 170 for onni is new and released at same time as vikkela. Vikkela was made as pedalable Enduro bike. Onni was made as downhill bike that can pedal. So some of your points don't make sense. However I agree that Pole should have sent the vikkela and they foolishly sent the onni knowing that it would get reamed for lack of water bottles and being too stiff for average joe Enduro rider
All the negatives about the bike is what I liked about the bike, besides the $7k. Ohh, and the good attributes as well. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Base model is 5k
What tire pressure would you run? Because of stiffness would you have to lean on tires to add to suspension like a hardtail? Im watching video and seeing tire deflection that looks like high(er) pressure. Can you clarify?
They added a 170/160 option for the Vikkela recently due to customer demand and that was carried over to the Onni, but most riders say there are absolutely no downsides to 190/190. That was the initial option all Vikkelas were set to, and before being advertised as "enduro", they actually advertised it as a trail bike. This time around they did the opposite and advertised the 170/160 as "enduro", hence all this confusion. Probably best to test the middle configuration, though to be fair the revolutionary thing here is that the Onni frame can be used for all 3 setups.
Not for me but I have friends where I think this bike would work. Like the tall, strong, fit rider who man handles and breaks bikes from the usual suspects. Bike looks great too!
You can be average/short height and strong and fit too bro. Don’t be a simp.
If I was breaking bikes on a regular basis, Pole would be the last brand I'd check out for a new bike
The bots...
I dunno about everyone else but any bike after 2019/2020 doesnt seem to offer any performance gains or tech worth the insane prices we have been seeing.
Agreed. My 2020 GT force can keep up with anything coming out currently and was $3500 when I got it. I’ve put better suspension, wheels, pads, and rotors on it and I’ve let people take a lap on it and every time they are surprised that it rips.
That’s the coolest bike brand on the market right now..
The Onni could benefit from Spank Vibrocore components to compensate for the harshness.
2:55 wow, the tallness sorta reminds me of that reeaally tall stem that one feller uses at races, now plus the concept in general with the bottom bracket rise and more, perhaapppsss inevitable new direction, but maybe not at all, we'll see, had wondered that before just seeing the other stem. Whether it'll include this higher vertical mass with the bottom bracket or not
You tested the wrong bike! They market the Onni as the bike for about 1% of the market. The Vikkela is the one to test in its enduro configuration. It should solve just about every shortcoming you’ve highlighted here as it is the tool for the job.
Hello there. The Vikkela is a cool-looking bike, that's for sure. However, I disagree we tested the wrong bike. Pole wanted us to test the Onni, and it's very much relevant and fitting to feature it in this group test. The Vikkela may well have faired differently, for better or worse as it is a different bike after, but at the same time, it doesn't mean the Onni wasn't appropriate to test in this setting.
That’s true, but I was looking at both recently trying to differentiate between the two and why you’d want one vs the other. On Pole’s site, Vikkelä is Trail oriented enduro. Onni is Gravity oriented enduro. Onni enduro is 170/160 and has race axels standard. The Vikkela is 190/190 and less stiff (but can opt race axels). So if anything, they have a crossover that can confuse if you’re not paying attention.
I’m curious if the Onni feels less stiff with the standard axels or if it’s mainly frame.
Even with the longer travel , the Vikkelä enduro (or trail) would likely fit the bill for an everyday rider version (not racer oriented).
@henryquinney2032 very well! I assumed that since POLE markets the Vikkelä as the enduro bike and the Onni as the downhill bike in their primary form that it’d be different. But since Pole said this is the one then very well! It’s almost like you know what you’re doing. Fantastic review and thank you for staying in the MTB scene!
Pole advertises Vikkela as a trail bike and the 190 version would have more travel than any other enduro in this test. The Onni in Enduro config with 170/160 seems like it fits this test better.
Seems like the problem is more on Pole than Pinkbike for not offering Vikkela in 170/180 travel config to me.
ABSOLUETLY, I JUST COMMENTED ON THE SAME. COMPLETLY MISSED THE POLE LINEUP. AAARRGGGHH. My Vikkela 190/190 is almost PERFECT . then they even mention the "Machine" they just missed the whole bike that was TAYLOR made for their riding . ENDURO= VIKKELA
What helmet are you guys using?
I'm glad I got Geometron G1, it's stiff enough, but not harsh.
Damn good looking bike.
Just alloy, Pole got me. 🔥🔥🔥
How high does the bottom bracket get when in DH mode with 200mm + fork?
368 with a 29 rear wheel, 356 in a mullet setup, although these are enduro setup numbers. 190 mm fork if Im right. In the worst case scenario the BB is just less than a cm higher than most bikes, is this really noticeable ? Somebody is going to get bollocked at Pole for not putting a foam sleeve on that brake hose in the frame ....
BEAUTIFUL ALUMINIUM PIECE OF ART
I do wish you guys would test the Pole Vikkela 190/190 , Your test is is exactly the conditions the Vikkela from Pole is made for. The Onni is a World Cup DH bike and was intended from the start to be such, PLEASE get educated a bit on the Pole Lineup, I know Leo probably sent it to you as an Enduro bike , but the Vikkela is Taylor MADE for this, 3 water bottles too. VIKKELA is a full generation from the mentioned "Machine" you spoke of...completely . you're still missing the market .
Make Billet frames the next trend!
Stiffie! 😳🤪
Pole would have a adjustable head angle bearing and less steep seat tube angle, then I would try one😋
That's why we hydroform aluminium on bikes. To avoid block machining of aluminium and creating harsh rides
I could be misunderstanding but every time I see you guys mention a high bottom bracket it’s nothing but hate but am I hearing you compliment it here. WTF!?
Of course they have to do the Slash and HD6 last, or nobody would watch the rest haha
Where is Mike?
No water bottle mounts 🤔 perhaps because the holes would weaken the bond between the two lateral halves of the frame, right at the midline where they are glued. Maybe there could be a strap on water container. (No paint to wear off the frame.) Whoops: 6:14
Those new water bottle mounts are probably glued on; someone tell me otherwise, if not.
In Pole Voima there is bottle mounts and its made similar way as this Onni. Does not weaken the bond there
I'm more of a street-trials than comp-trials bike kinda guy.
too bad its not a high pivot bike. the trend seems to go that way
Jesus Christ this bike looks even more ridiculous with those water bottle mounts.
Not sure an ultra stiff chassis is a good thing...went through this same story with MX bikes. Anyway, now bankrupt
Personally I think Henry is wrong the stiffer the bike the better, compliance must be built in a well engineered progressive suspension...
It's not out of air that motorbike chassis and most racing vehicles on wheels aim for the stiffest possible chassis. It's the better way of building suspension...
Suspension cannot filter out all vibrations.
I agree. A soft frame flexes a mm here or there more or a degree or two more, while tires deflect tens of mm and suspension on these bikes is ten times that.
can't tell you how many stories from motorcycling MotoGP, World Superbike, etc. where manufacturers went way overboard on frame stiffness, only to find their riders couldn't get the bike thru a bumpy corner anymore....lateral frame compliance is a huge deal to consider.
In my opinion that doesnt make sense for two main reasons.
The suspension moves only in the lengthwise direction. Lateral flex needs to be designes in the frame.
And the suspension will not filter out micro vibrations. That is why you choose this or that rubber compound, or carbon handlebars, alu rims, titanium saddlerails.. you get the point I guess!
Stiffer CAN leader to better suspension performance, but also a degree of flex in key areas will aid both comfort and tracking. It's a nuanced subject for sure. It's also very subjective to who you are and what you ride.
Looks like an old Marin.
day 133 of asking where levy is.
I swear.
Bro just give him some privacy. They’ve said that he is on a personal vacation on the podcast loads of times.
He explained where he was in a PB comment months ago. He banked a shit-ton of PTO. He is now taking it. Good for him.
It's almost like PB doesn't realize that people have hydration packs and know you can swap in a coil shock? Sounds like the Vivid is the wrong shock for this frame. Wild to spend so much time whining about water bottles in a bike review.
One fugly bike seems like it rides as it looks.
Yes. I dont understand how ppl Like the Looks of this Thing
It still amazes me, what engineers and bike manufacturers have accomplished over the last 20 years with technology and geometry, but after all that, riders and reviewers complain about water bottle bosses...🤦♂️
Everytime I hear or read that, I usually wind up shaking my head in exasperation and moving on.
dont like that bb
Got the wrong bike bruh
What's the obsession with water bottles?
Humans require water
This bike redefines the meaning of U G L Y
Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has them but not everyone wants it shoved in their face.
I personally, really like it.
Pinkbike reviewers are long inseam biased. They need a short legged reviewer to even things out.
There no bottom out support because of the air shock. Put a coil on it Air cannot compete with a coil. The frame should be stiff and the suspension should do the work
It's the other way round: air shocks are more progressive than coil shocks.
And the Vivid, as the testers mentioned, even has an HBO adjustment.
@@floimschnee4275 air squishes,the coil progressively resists the load applied.
@@kleenhall6885No; coils are linear and the air squishing is what makes air springs progressive.
Actually the RS Vivid and the Super Deluxe Ultimate have HBO- Hydraulic Bottom out.
Remember the last time you reviewed a Pole and it snapped ?
Well its ugly as hell. How hard is it to make a good looking bike? It can't be that hard
This bike is just ugly imho
The Pole is the ultimate dentists bike. You can’t test it anywhere, no one sells them, it’s very expensive and be prepared for a battle when it comes to any after sale issues.
Cheaper than Santa Cruz and yeti and longer lasting
@@thicccboyztv 4K+ with a pretty cheap Rockshox shock really isn’t cheaper than a Yeti frame set. You can pick up a Santa Cruz frame starting at about 2k and a Yeti at 3k.
I‘m not a dentist but riding one… Pole staff so far super helpful, and while it‘s not cheap, the price is reasonable, especially considering where it‘s made.
I own one and you are not correct on any point you made-
@@86309 so you’re a dentist…