When you finish the game alfred talks about going home to celebrate Christmas. At least I wanted to see a cutscene with Bruce Wayne celebrating Christmas in Wayne manor with a bunch of other people
@@andm9766 Alfred: It was nice of Commissioner Gordon to give you his recording of It's A Wonderful Life. Dick: And it is a wonderful life. Bruce: It...has its moments.
Hahaha the electrocutioner fight made me laugh the first time you just kick him in one hit... Some people hate that stuff but I found it funny they even gave him a health bar.
Degenerate Jay It was very funny. In fact I just did his "fight" yesterday. I completely forgot about, so I expected a legit fight. When I first hit him I burst out laughing, this is the kind of stuff that's always welcome in my opinion.
8 assassins, except killer croc is dealt with, Electrocutioner doesn’t get a fair fight, and gets axed off, Shiva, DeadShot, and black mask are sidequest. DeadShot, mad hatter are back from Arkham city doing basically the same thing. Deadshot’s fight is basically two face’s from the last catwoman section of Arkham city. Copperhead fight is basically Ra’s al gul’s shadow clones. Joker, as great as his performance is in every Arkham game, once again he hogs the spotlight. Yet, I still enjoyed this game.
JBear Antonicic yes, I know that origins is a prequel (leading to converting of an asylum on arkham island). also “following a ninja’s dna trail” was from Arkham city
Well, not everyone knew the 2 face fight from arkham city, as not everyone played the game of the year section. In my case, I got origins before arkham city GOTY and never played the catwoman section. Copperhead is similar to ra's al gul, but a lot less repetitive. And it actually felt like Black Mask was the big bad before Joker was revealed. And it makes sense too. I mean, Black Mask putting a bounty on the bat? Didnt feel like something Black Mask would really do. Yet trying to find out why black mask suddenly would do such a thing was actually a great way to "introduce" joker. I mean, lets face it, you cannot have the origins of a lot of bad guys and exclude Joker. But I mean, lets take Asylum. Sure, Joker was the main bad guy there, but over the entire game, he is more of a background character. Ivy and Harley get more screentime in game than Joker And even the Riddler, Arkham Origins had a fairly good reason for riddler datapacks, while in the main series, they went kinda overkill with it, but Origins had a fairly well distributed and accesible pool of datapacks. You would either need to backtrack the story there anyway or you already could unlock the tools you needed, while in Asylum, City and Knight, you almost need to cover the entire map 4 times before you have all the necessary tools. I mean, there is "only" 200 riddler datapacks, there were 250-ish collectables for batman(300-ish if you include catwoman) in City and 240 collectables in Asylum, let alone the 300+ collectables in Knight. Origins at least gives you a reason outside of being a completionist to go back to certain area's. Let alone maybe 5 locations. Knight luckily added a system where not all trophies appear at once, meaning you can systematically clear the map before returning, but you still need to return at least 3 times to the same locations.
Predated O you don’t need to tell me this when I already love the Arkham series including origins and knight. I completed each game about 3 times. Discovered multiple sequence breaks and a small amount of minor glitches.
@@PhantomShadow224 I know people are annoyed about Joker being the Main villain, but this series is about the relationship between Joker and Batman, I realised that at the end of Knight. But it is your opinion and I respect that.
I really love this game even though most people don't, the relationship of Batman and joker is done so well and the dramatic Christmas music just makes this game epic, also I liked Batman's history with the Gcpd.
It's so crazy that origins is my favorite game. It's just too good bro, the boss fights were perfect, in my opinion they portrayed the beginning of batman too well and it was just so perfect, the beginning of batman and how aggressive he is, he is so angry and young. And using roger was the best option for a younger batman, the beginning of a relationship with the villians and batman and them beginning to fear him and especially the relationship with bane or joker with batman. They portrayed the beginning of a great rivalry between joker and batman just too good. And then you can see that the joker will start to know batman better and he knows his weaknesses, like he didn't know that batmam would not kill anyone and he tried to break him. So joker was the best in origins and had the best design as a younger joker. The story was perfect, especially bane and batman and how they knew each other. I love origins and I don't care what anyone says, it is so underrated just because of a stupid reason that rocksteady didn't make it. The Deathstroke and bane boss fights still gives me chills till this day, they don't appreciate this game much. It's definitely top 2. I understand opinions but they really should pay attention to this game more. That mission in the hotel royale is still the best mission in the series. It was perfect how you go from the sewers to the hotel and you do detective and predator stuff and you see the joker scene where he kills electrocutioner and you get his gloves, and you have to make your way up to the hotel, it was perfect. And then going to the bane fight while joker is watching. And you go save joker and actually this game really did the backstory of batman and joker justice. You can see how deep joker is. That's why I just love origins, and to point out origins was the first arkham game I played that's why I love it, it introduced me to the series. And it's the prequel so it was perfect to play first.
I know It has been 2 years:3 but For me it didn't perfome well even though I like the game to this day. It was 90% arkham city. Combat was downgraded or bugged you can't batclaw slam an enemy if they are not close enough wich wasn't the case in city and the predator map doesn't fill it self like city was total let down + way too many bugs
Yeah I don't think it helps that the games started off on such a good note with Asylum. Part of the reason that game was so good was the map was small and focused. Everything was meticulous. There's an issue with scope as you make any world bigger and the fact that you can't pump a billion dollars into a game to make the entire world feel alive and make everything perfect in a game as big as Knight. Some studios are better with that sort of thing than others as well. Like the Witcher 3 is massive and has very few things to criticize but even that game isn't actually perfect.
In regards to Red hood I agree, making him the morally gray character as he is, acting as an obstacle that both challenges Bruce and Batman character arc's rather than an outright villain would of easily given fans and critics something more positive to say about Knight.
I think so too on those points. They went a little too far into outright villain due to the characters anger than something like Under the Red Hood did. I feel an adaptation of that into the Arkham series without going the way they did would have been better.
@Bobby Papoutsis I agree with everything but the black mask thing it would ruin the whole story but adding another shoehorned villian basically recreating the joker problem.
I love Origins But, few things I didn't like were... 1. No cut scene of Batman building the Batmobile 2. No tease of Alfred and Bruce going to the circle to see the flying graysons 3.Joker / Black Mask plot twist 4.The Timeline . No way this game takes place 5 years before Asylum. 5. Nygma becoming the Riddler after you get the "First Riddler Trophy"
Yeah I always assumed the game was 10 to 15 years before but 5 is just absurd because all the Asylum, City and Knight are simply too dense with characters and story to allow for that.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Yeah because there's no way he met and trained robin , jason todd and babs , and then dick grayson turns into Nightwing , Jason gets killed , Babs gets crippled and he meets Tim Drake all in "5" years ? lol
Good point that's true. I suppose you could make the argument that the money from that development could have gone into the single player, because it's both money and time people make that argument about, but I very much was glad the multiplayer was there.
not really, there are enough grapple points for me. If you glide & dive well there's more than enough grapple points. And you have the Fast Travel option with batwing too.
I hate the little hight and speed you get if you use the grapple boost in origns. In city and knight, at the start of the game you at least can get a fair amount of hight and speed and more if you want to. But I don't know if you can upgrade your grapple boost because I just started the game a few days ago.
To me here are 5 things they got wrong: 1. Too many thugs in boss battles instead of 1v1s 2. Black mask should've been the center point of the story the main antagonist but instead overshadowed by a joker plot twist... Instead I rather would've like a small origin story for joker 3. Should've showed Bruce Wayne going to the flying Grayson's circus with some gf of his in a post credit scene 4. Showing joker and shoving him in as the main villain again 5. Not enough single player DLC
My Vices As much as I love the Joker, I think I would have actually preferred the actual Black Mask as the main villain. Not everything has to be about the Joker.
The Arkham games are about the relationship between the Joker and Batman, and in my opinion is the best version of their relationship to date, yes it is your opinion but I for people who actually think about the games they will realise that is what it is about.
Aside from Arkham City this one actually has quite a bit after the story is over. You have to find and stop Banes right hand guy and you have to track down escaped black gate inmates. Not to mention the DLC Cold Cold Heart.
Andy Owski bruh it had a longer story than city, I just git a computer (for my birthday) so got the free arkham games (on epic) and orgins on steam and I played City first took me (First ever computer game I usually play PS3/4) and it only took 6 hours and orgins took at least 10 the side missions I admit are easy (Though I dont ever do riddler so stupid to me and I hate getting aggravated over that shit) and those did only take 2 hours but City didnt have many sidemissions either, I don’t remember any and I just beat the game because besides banes mission there wasent really anything🤷🏻♂️ azreal wasent a mission there was no fighting like in Knight
I just finished origins and came back to watch these two videos. Honestly I love the more fleshed out joker and batman character archs. I Do think the joker reveal came a bit too early, and I think the assassins could've all had a bit more time in the spot light
I didn't like what WB did with The Worst Nightmare skin. They didn't even announce that the skin wasn't gonna be in the game until someone asked them about it after 100% completion. That was pretty shady and unprofessional to me.
My only issues with this game were continuity, some of the terrible interior level designs, horribly designed challenge system, lack of innovation, and the fact that Joker took center stage yet again after we were promised Roman Sionis (which wouldn't have been THAT bad if Black Mask would have been given some kind of respectful treatment.) I've had a love/hate relationship with it for a long time but I think the love for how fun it is outweighs the hate. It's extremely satisfying to play with a great atmosphere, gorgeously stylistic cutscenes and even decent writing here and there. I still go back to it.
I have five main grievances with Origins. 1) The in-game story content in lacking despite having a map twice as large as _Arkham City._ It needed a Season of Infamy DLC pack. 2) Some details weren't thought out. The police commissioner being killed could easily explain a city-wide curfew but wasn't thought of. 3) The mook enemy A.I. is too aggressive and will end up crowding around me during fights which made large numbers a mess. 4) Three assassins were misused. Deadshot and Shiva are not in the main-story and Croc is fought before we know he is an assassin. 5) Loose ends. Alberto Falcone, Candy, & Tracey got too much focus but nothing was done with them. Not even a side op.
Origins is still a great addition to the series. I loved its overall atmosphere and dark interesting story as well as villains in this game. For me in some ways absolutely better than City and I mean it. And Troy Baker as Joker?? Top notch!!! Batmans voice actor is also great.
Roger Craig Smith’s voice was perfect for a young Bruce/Batman. Troy Baker is pretty much the biggest voice actor in all of media. He plays a lot of iconic characters & he was great as a younger Joker
Both of them work well for younger versions of the character's but in if they had kept their roles for Arkham Knight, it wouldn't have worked so well because the characters were older
Agreed, i still like City but i can't believe people will say Origins is overrated when its the compete opposite the overrated Arkham game is really City
Despite Knight being a great game, I believe what made it tolerable was the little Joker moments/commentary. I have this feeling that if the Joker hallucinations hadn't been there, Knight would feel a little like Origins did with a seemingly empty world.
I honestly prefer this game over Arkham knight. If the rumours are true and WB Montreal are taking another stab at a batman game I’d be totally on board. They could learn from their experience on origins as well as knight’s criticism.
I had something of a problem with them not putting a lot of effort into game design and aesthetics to fit it being a prequel. The bat suit looks great, but it looks far more advanced than what is used in asylum, it doesn’t make much sense that he gets such a worse batsuit in the future. Then there’s like the grapnel boost, that was a specific aspect of city, the tech for that is a prototype and it is made clear that city is the first time he’s using it, so it makes 0 sense for him to have it in origins. Of course, that thing is super fun so it’s kind of necessary to have in the game, but they could have had some creative way of implementing something similar, maybe he steals the tech for it off a boss or something, but there’s just no mention. Then there’s the fact that he gets some new gadgets but apparently doesn’t retain them for use in asylum for some reason, the glue grenade for example. His detective vision seemed to have substantially more functionality. In asylum it at best could highlight fingerprints in the environment, but in origins it can like make visual recreations of crime scenes that play out in AR, makes no sense that he loses this ability in asylum. This is kind of an inherent issue with making a prequel of any game. You want the game to feel fresh so you add more advanced mechanics, weaponry, and gadgets, but at the same time the fact that it happens before other games in the franchise means it doesn’t make any sense for it to be that way, so you’re kind of forced to either make the game have less interesting gameplay or do away with an element of realism.
Funny thing is that in the cinematic trailer of Arkham Origins (Deathstroke fight) when Black mask appears at the end you can hear that his voice is Troy Baker. Which means it's Joker even at this point. You can recognize it because it's exactly hearable that this is Two-Face's "evil side" Voice
Arkham knight is a big world but it lacks in some point... For me I love thugs hanging around along the roads but also on rooftop... After finishing all the most wanted, it seems like there's nothing else to do in the world🙄
I agree with you. I'm not sure if you have the season pass, but the Season of Infamy DLC will extend the game a couple hours and is a lot of fun for the most part. It's not perfect but sadly a lot of the good post game is in that content.
@@DegenerateJay Yeah I have the season pass, bought it last month cuz it's on sale. The dlc is really good but unfortunately it's quite pricey and just like I said, after you finished the whole game there's nothing else to do than completing all PS trophies 😂 I love this game and idk why batman is more entertaining than spiderman ps4. Luv your videos btw😊
@Bobby Papoutsis Wow! Couldn't agree more! At first Playthrough I didn't know much about the bat family and all the story about the accident of Jason Todd... So when Arkham Knight appears, for me he's something brand new. But because of this game and Batman Arkham City (played about 2 years ago) I started to search, watch and read about the story of jason todd and also about other batman enemies... And yes, Joker shouldn't be in the game cuz he's dead after what happened in arkham city and focus more on other villains, the boss fight really not to what I expected especially Deathstroke. 🤷♀️
What they talk about: 1. Dead city 2. Misusing Black Mask and Riddler 3. Misleading marketing 4. Problems in the multiplayer 5. Problems in the campaign
This is the ultimate 50 50 for me. On one hand, I love the aesthetic, the look of batman, the story is great, the characters were good, fun, etc. But the main reason I hate it, and why I refuse to really play it more than a few minutes, is my boy Roman Sionis. He has been my fav villain since I found him, and seeing him being treated like he was in this game really hurt my soul
Bro I actually am surprised how they are frustrated with joker in origins. Like he was so good. The design was the best. And his relationship with batman and how it begins is perfect. The story of joker, the dialogues, the relationship with batman. It was the best in this game. And people don't realize that without joker that story wouldn't be as good as it is.
I think this game could use a sequel more than Knight. Knights ending is supposed to be about Batman's legacy living on no matter what so unless you go to beyond where it's way out they don't need that. This game has so many good ideas that would be incredible to see in a sequel fully realized.
I think that's a good point on the legacy of the Batman.you need to be careful when you introduce concepts like that that you're not just going to undercut them in another game.
To continue your point about riddler being tacked on, I always found it odd that they just used a static picture for pretty much every encounter with him. It felt cheap.
It’s funny, the joker twist was kind of on the nose the whole time. It was always Troy and roger doing the interviews and comic con panels. The joker was apart of the collectors edition. But yet we was still shocked
I remember reading the actors list and seeing the previews and thinking: "Joker's going to be the villian in this isn't he?" I think people underestimated just how obvious it was when he beat a random thug to death in the trailer.
In my opinion the only thing that I dislike about this game is that it sometimes lags a bit. I dont care that the graphics arent flashy or ultra realistic, to me graphics dont determine whether a game is good or bad. I just wish the game ran as smooth as Asylum or City. I enjoy the game is almost every aspect tho. The bosses were very fun, the suits Batman has are badass, I even enjoy this version of Gotham. I am a huge fan of Christmas and Batman, and a massive fan of the Noel Story...so having that story basically put into a video game is heaven for me.
I just don't like the lifeless city. The field music gets old fast and the landscape is just barren. It feels like there are buildings and cars, but not a city. For all it's flaws, at least Arkham Knight felt like an authentic, livable environment. And yeah, the whole "Every single person in Gotham is inside for Christmas, and will continue to remain indoors...even the Police won't roam the streets". What about those who don't celebrate Christmas? And why is everyone else who's outdoors just a criminal? We desperately need variety.
I agree, I wish this game was longer. I'd honestly have wanted ALL the assassins to have been part of the story as opposed to side missions, because that would probably have made them a bit more fleshed out, or at the very least I wish the assassin side missions to have been longer and there to have been more to them.
I loved Origins! I prefer it more than the Rocksteady trilogy tbh. Assassins coming for you and all the villains in it makes it lively even though no one is in Gotham imo and also the Boss fights are the best making you really feel like “The Batman”. I think the reason why people didn’t like it is because of the graphics and the feel of copy and pasting Arkham City
I wish there was a final scene at Christmas and also in the new year's dlc,I wanted to see Alfred and Bruce having dinner and eating together like father and son and Bruce having an emotional dialogue about his parents And looking at their photo and telling Alfred that he is a father to him That he never had,a second father and Alfred saying the same thing about Bruce being his son,would be a great dialogue in the cutscene And showing the snow outside at Christmas or New Year in a happy ending with exciting music in the background,It would be incredible and a great ending to an origin game,it's a shame it didn't happen I was waiting a lot forward to this scene or a funny post-credits scene with Bruce is Alfred hunting the giant bat in the batcave where In one of the dialogues with Alfred Bruce said that after dinner They would hunt the creature together,it would be incredible to see this scene, it's a shame it didn't happen... Who also wanted to see these scenes and was in the game and in the story dlc? 🤔🥺🤧 Like and Bye! And An extra: I also missed the dlc a scene after the credits in prison with Mr.freeze looking out the window in the snow and holding an ice cube statue of his wife And he's crying at the end because he couldn't save her in the dlc A shame it didn't happen...
I like the game and always have, even though I do feel like it has a dead world and is just kind of AC 2.0. One thing I wish they would have done a bit more of, if they were going to use the AC map, is let us explore some of those places before they got run down and destroyed. Like, let us track someone down in the building that eventually became Ivy's lair in AC.They did it a bit with the Steel Mill, and I know it'd be hard to let us in all the locations. I wouldn't expect to see the entire museum again, for instance. And you wouldn't want them to overdo it; I just think a bit more of that would have been cool. Half the map was the AC map, sort of, yet they gave us mostly new places to go within that part of the map.
Another thing that Origins got wrong was the continuity For example,in Arkham Asylum,in Harley Quinn's bio,it says that she met Joker in the Asylum but in this game she met him in Blackgate.
Yeah they've sort of just started retconning things at this point if they want, which is like props on creativity bad on breaking the lore. Those bios in Asylum are odd some are still accurate others aren't canon at all.
I didn't mind Black Mask getting written out halfway through the story. I love Black Mask, he's a cool villain, but story-wise it makes sense. I always saw him as a mafia boss who kinda just does his own thing and doesn't actively bother Batman, especially in Arkham version of him. He got his ass beaten by Joker, but then he got his justice, or at least he thought, and being scared of Joker, he decided to go back into doing his own stuff. Batman went after Bane and Joker, because at the core, Arkham games are Batman's stories and he too needed to take care of what threathed him the most at that moment. True, it would be nice to get a side mission after beating the main story or something, but ultimately, I've never minded.
The problem with the Riddler trophies really traces back to that they didn't understand what they really are. Riddler trophies have three purposes: To reward you for exploring the map, to reward you for mastering your tools in the game, and to be health packs for when the player is a bit low. Arkham City had a few to many because it leaned a bit to hard into the last reason, but it does mean that the player is never going into a fight low on health. In Origins they don't heal you, so the ones just sitting out in the open have no real purpose. Which means they need to be restricted to locations that are interesting to get to, or easy to find but locked behind hard challenges. While there are a few hard challenges getting to some of them, most of them are fairly easy and the challenges are repetitive. And with the number of them, there's just to many for them all to be interesting to get to. Part of this is actually that the game has the various ranking systems, which were nice - but supplanted some of the purposes for the Riddler trophies, which made them even more pointless. So, strip out them being a challenge to get, them being interesting to get to, or them being useful - and they're just there in the game for no real reason.
Playing through it today since my first time on release. Forgot how much fun this game was. Just beat City last night and it felt like that one went by QUICK. Going for Knight after i beat Origin!
The Predator maps in this game pulled me out of the atmosphere and made it feel more like a videogame. In all of the other games the predator maps felt natural, but all of the maps here felt like they were specifically designed for that game mechanic. Seriously, what psychopathic architect designed that police precinct bullpen? It was god damn ridiculous.
I actually got asylum like 3 years ago but played city and knight origins all on release day but I finished asylum with all riddler trophies in about 5 or 6 hours
R3do I recently replayed Arkham Knight and there is definitely way too much Batmobile. I didn’t understand all the hate the past few years but I finally understand.
Hey, at least they gave Deathstroke an actual hand-to-hand boss battle. Arkham Knight just gave him a tank battle which didn’t fit his character, whereas a 1v1 hand-to-hand fight does.
I absolutely loved this game. The Christmas theme makes it so much better and it overrall had an excellent story, character development, and tension. I still love it a little bit more than Knight
It's interesting regarding the Joker because WB Montreal in fact did advertise his presence in the game and how would it be his first encounter with Batman. I don't think they ever said he would only have minimal presence, especially as he kept appearing in trailers too. The bigger problem for me is that Black Mask was barely used after being advertised as main threat. And the first two voice actors that were announced were Roger Craig Smith for Batman and Troy Baker for the Joker, quite before Brian Bloom for Black Mask. I feel that was a teaser on itself because Troy Baker also voices the Joker disguised as Black Mask. All in all, I really enjoyed Joker as a character in this game and I think his scenes are among the strongest in this game.
Origins is my favourite in the Arkham series. The boss fights, the atmosphere, the difference in the characters due to them being younger. Plus, it also holds a lot of sentimental value, it was the first game I ever pre ordered, first collector's edition I ever pre ordered and, up until now, the only collector's edition I owned
i am no expert in the arkham game series, only playing the first three, but i believe what youre thinking is that in city with the ar training, they were referring to the like advanced grapnel boost, the one where u double click A and it goes faster. in that case, thats just a small upgrade and turns out that the line "its not ready for field deployment" is completely irrelevant and holds no weight. so i thiiiink youre referring to the non essential upgrade the gadget gets in city, im p sure batman has always had his grabnel boost as long as he has been batman
I think the main reason this game gets so much hate is Conroy and Hamill not being there. Hands down, I prefer it to Knight (way too much batmobile stuff)
A good way to have added joker to this game without taking centre stage would have been a red hood dlc where your doing this predator map where it ends with you knocking him into the acid
I'm sad that Origins was kind of rushed out to fill space between City and Knight, so the devs didn't have time to finish all of their ideas, like how Deathstroke was meant to be a recurring encounter before being beaten later in the game. Also, the whole "no one is outside because of a blizzard" angle sounds like an excuse that was added later in development, because Firefly's section of the plot involves a bunch of captive civilians whose cars are clearly all over the bridge. You can't tell me that these are the only people in Gotham who were out during this blizzard. I'm inclined to believe the city probably was going to be more lively originally, but time constraints made it difficult to see that vision through.
I think the point regarding the life in the city is a fair one 👍 I felt Knight did a better job both shooing civilians out of the frame but also diversifying the patterns and behaviour of roaming thugs. I appreciated and admire the winter / holiday atmosphere with Origins because it really pulls it off and manages to offer a slightly different theme for a slightly different Arkham. Saying that, the sense of isolation and of being alone in what you were doing, was definitely felt.
It's so crazy that origins is my favorite game. It's just too good bro, the boss fights were perfect, in my opinion they portrayed the beginning of batman too well and it was just so perfect, the beginning of batman and how aggressive he is, he is so angry and young. And using roger was the best option for a younger batman, the beginning of a relationship with the villians and batman and them beginning to fear him and especially the relationship with bane or joker with batman. They portrayed the beginning of a great rivalry between joker and batman just too good. And then you can see that the joker will start to know batman better and he knows his weaknesses, like he didn't know that batmam would not kill anyone and he tried to break him. So joker was the best in origins and had the best design as a younger joker. The story was perfect, especially bane and batman and how they knew each other. I love origins and I don't care what anyone says, it is so underrated just because of a stupid reason that rocksteady didn't make it. The Deathstroke and bane boss fights still gives me chills till this day, they don't appreciate this game much. It's definitely top 2. I understand opinions but they really should pay attention to this game more. That mission in the hotel royale is still the best mission in the series. It was perfect how you go from the sewers to the hotel and you do detective and predator stuff and you see the joker scene where he kills electrocutioner and you get his gloves, and you have to make your way up to the hotel, it was perfect. And then going to the bane fight while joker is watching. And you go save joker and actually this game really did the backstory of batman and joker justice. You can see how deep joker is. That's why I just love origins, and to point out origins was the first arkham game I played that's why I love it, it introduced me to the series. And it's the prequel so it was perfect to play first.
I think there should have been a better way to become Bane/Joker in the multiplayer. It was always just a mad dash to the door and even if you got there first someone else can become them leaving you feeling cheated. All cooperation goes out the door. I think a randomiser should have been used to pick a player to become them or choose the player who has been the most matches without becoming the boss and make them it, that way you will always feel like your're getting a fair amount of time as the big bad.
To sum up my issues with Origins: - Joker. The Joker is a good villain but it wasn't handled very good. They setup Black Mask only to pull the rug out from us and say it was Joker all along. Also the Joker isn't much of an actor, that's more Clayface's stick. - Harley Quinn. Totally fucked her up because all we needed to know was done in Asylum. At best this was needless change that hurts the over all lore of the games. - Bane. TN1 or Titan was a Doctor Young invention from Asylum. Outside from being based off Bane's venom, it had nothing to do with him. Also recycled Titan mobs. - Deathstroke. Great, and well written. However my issues is it's the Ra's al Ghul boss fight from City. Just reskinned and less sand. - Riddler. Good and fun but just a bit too much. - 2 prison riots in one night. That's a bit much to believe I think. - The Storm was a joke of a reason why the NPCs were mostly limited to cops or villains. - Graphics somehow look worse than City's. And yes I got them both on PC, and Origins still looks dated by City standards. - DLC characters were way too limited. Oh look Bruce Wayne and Deathstroke, which both plays a lot alike. - The 5 year gap from Origins and Asylum is dumb. Jim and Babara Gordon's ages alone highlight way this is a problem. Never mind all the Robins too. Dick, Tim, and Jason. - Then MY GOD the glitches. Both online and story mode were/are filled with them. Some side missions just break. The AR training was broken. A main quest door wouldn't work in Blackgate at the start of the game. It took about a week for that to be patched. The Worst Knightmare challenges sometimes don't work. You'll do the challenge but the game would count it. This is a problem because some challenges can ONLY be done in certain predator rooms and with autosaves you could ruin a 100% run of the game. With all the story issues, there is a reason why people question it's cannonition.
@@windermere_peaks No, Copperhead is closer to Scarecrow. The way Deathstroke jumps at Batman with his sword and the countering is mostly the same to Ra's.
BEYOND THE SPIDER FILMS Yeah there’s similarities but the Rā’s fight was focused on taking down clones in phase 1 and shooting him with the REC in phase 2. Deathstroke was entirely 1v1 and solely hand to hand. Regarding Copperhead/Scarecrow, they’re thematically very alike but you never actually fight Scarecrow, there’s just the stealth sections in Asylum.
@@windermere_peaks Still a good chunk of the Ra's al Ghūl fight is lifted from City to Origins. It's not a a word for word clone but I feel it borrowed too much. Especially since most people I've seen, treat it like the second coming of boss fights and completely side step City. As for the Scarecrow bit, yeah I agree. Definitely more of theme type of thing. Unless you want to count the skeletons from Asylum? But I even feel that's reaching
Technically TN-1 is different from Titan, so it doesn't feel like a too much of a leap that two different people were working on a super steroid at different times. Plus some kind of brain damage was necessary to explain why Bane was a dumb thug in the Arkham series. Joker was shoehorned in for sure, but he's been that way since Asylum. Origins gives him a meaningful character arc and leaves some part of the system he broke into up in the air. That makes his scheme slightly more believable than him bypassing the locked down system we see in Arkham Asylum. Overall it's still a better inclusion than the first game, even if only marginally. The marketing is what holds the main story back, and even then you could tell what was going on, if you read into it a bit.
I kinda hated how the assassins plot line was kinda dropped after the joker reveal. But it was cool to see the beginning of joker and Batman’s relationship in the Arkham universe.
My friends and I love the Arkham series and our discussions about Origins usually revolves around how it had a lot of good ideas but just missed the mark with its execution. Though the boss battles were outstanding.
3:13 I've said that Origins should have been a Year One style game set in Batman's early career where he only fought thugs, corrupt cops and gangsters with Black Mask as the main villain and the game being about bringing him down. Joker shouldn't have been in the game at all.
I got the return to arkham game not even 48 hours ago and already got %100 completed the game with riddler trophies, armadaious diary’s, and all the challenges and stuff within 8 hours and now I want to see how long I would take me to beat origins and beat it with %100 completion if it was for PS4 lol but I loved this game series and all though they’re heavily flawed they are still amazing games that I will always hold a special place in my heart for (I actually got the scarecrow sum with the upside down batman symbol and eyes from arkham asylum tattooed on my arm because he was my absolute favorite version of scarecrow)
Man. If Origins had the assassins try to sabotage each other, it would sound like an awesome game. Everyone would be part of the story as they would try to one up one another, leading to Batman taking advantage of their distractions. Imagine if Bane’s men would get into a scuffle with Deathstroke.
So this one is a doozy... For us we encountered a major bug after the GCPD servers section. For some reason after the cutscene the autosave feature activated and I waited until it was finished. My friend that bought it wanted to get something to eat so I was like, " Sure whatever; how's Chipotle sound?" So we left after I turned off the game. When we came back and kept playing. Everything seemed to load fine and I was back at the servers in the sewers. Since we already saw the cutscene and knew the bank was the next mission we made our way to the ladder out of the sewers. At this point in the garage a locked door needs to be activated by hacking it. Unfortunately I noticed it was super difficult and the password made no sense but we got passed it. Once outside we went to the bank but couldn't get in the door. (Odd right? I'm sure you see where this is going) So we check the objectives and find something super confusing. "Access the GCPD Servers". My dude was like "but didn't we do that already?" I was like, "I thought so bc we saw the cutscene...." So we go back to the garage but the door is sealed shut.(odd) My boy was like, "uh oh...." So I had to go back into the GCPD into the sewers the hard way and then we get to this one part. See I forgot to mention that the only way up to the server section is via a platform elevator that is basically there to buy time as the game renders the next section, as a Full Stack Software Developer I understand their reasons for having you fight random enemies the 1st time. The issue is that the game doesn't reset the initial conditions back to default so the platform(which is above you in a non grapple location) cannot be accessed. The buttom is ONLY interactive via direct contact so Baturangs don't work and it has no _"deelevate"_ command. *I. WAS. **_PIIIIIISSED._* My guess is how the auto save features work (or don't) isn't the same as the others because they didn't debug or check any memory allocation issues and therefore leaks and crashes are common. (This is why collision detection can fail as it has to render the objects and it's properties from memory before you or an npc interacts with it[I.e a wall ] They most likely "save" *Location* and *Inventory* but do not save *Story* until after leaving one location after another and their event triggers operate based on this. If the other games did something similar an easy fix would be to set their conditionals to only allow leaving an area or mission after a mission critical event has been logged. If not then the "door" or "ladder" in this case wouldn't activate as the event(the cutscene) didn't load. This is why most games will have the character talk to themselves,"I need to do [x,y,z] first before [x2,y2,z2]" to prevent this from happening. Sadly, as this wasn't the case and we were forced to delete our save file and start over! 🤦 that's 2/3 of the game just wasted. But I mean yeah other than that it was ok I guess...😐
I had a similar bug happen during the GCPD section: When I got to the criminal database and was supposed to get the cutscene where Batman explains what happened at "Black Mask's" murder scene, the game crashed. Okay that was weird, restart the game. I restarted and there was no objective, no waypoint on the map, can't interact with the database terminal, nothing. So I exit through the sewer grate where you're supposed to get the prompt for the Mad Hatter mission with the singing thugs, nothing. I could still hack the door open so at least there was that, but I couldn't do the Mad Hatter mission which means I couldn't unlock the Reverse Batarang or get that last Enigma Datapack, preventing me from 100%ing the main story. I had no idea what the hell I was supposed to do until I heard the bank alarms going off, so thankfully I could at least progress through the story after that annoying hiccup.
I got this game back in 2013 when I was in Middle School, looking back this is a good game, but back then after beating Arkham City I did not enjoy this game much. If I could buy it again and replay it I definitely would.
Around the time of this game my brother complained about how the Joker is always written as a exclamation point character and I was a little disappointed in his initial appearance in the game. But I will say he was done pretty well despite it. My gripes with the game is few to be honest but as I said in your last video the Glitches of the game kill my enjoyment of them more then everything else.
it genuinely felt like someone at WB was like "Wait you killed off the Joker we still need The Joker, find an excuse to include The Joker" which plays into this tired idea of Joker being Batmans Moriarty. Moriarty wasn't even in that many original Holmes books.
Technically Joker wasn't even Batman's first Morarity. Hugo Strange came along much earlier. Yet one of his signature stories was given to Joker in Arkham Asylum (creating a mess of plot holes in the process). Yet no one can or will complain about the half hazzard writing in that game to this day. Those who can't identify bad writing are doomed to receive it.
Funny enough, Origins was my first Arkham game and I enjoyed it A LOT because the combat was similar to Assassin's Creed III. You can say Origins was also my proper introduction to the comic book world. After Origins I just wanted MORE.
A way they maybe could've fixed it is by making Joker one of the Assassins, who takes over after Black Mask's story is done, not that Black Mask was Joker the whole time. Like Batman should've defeated Black Mask and Joker fills the spot so at that point Black Mask was fleshed out and given a full story. It'd just be two different stories but Idk i think it'd work better than "Oh well guess what Joker was behind it all" maybe instead of that it was sort've Joker's plan. Like to let Batman get rid of Black Mask so that Joker can take over. It'd tie them together but Joker wouldn't have been behind everything.
In my opinion they would showed Joker totally in diffrent way. I mean: that would be great if during the main plot, for example Alfred contact with Batman and told him that has a place the rubbery in Ace Chemicals. In that bulding Batman chase mysterious Red Hood and fight with him and other thugs. Finally in the scene Red Hood has a accident and he felt to the chemicals. After defeat Black Mask and all assasins Batman spoke with Gordon on rooftop of GCPD [like in last scene of Batman Begins] and captain told him that in Gotham showed very dangerous freak and each time he left behind him showcase: the joker card.
I bought this game twice. Both times it would freeze up at the end of the initial Killer Croc fight, and no longer work. Apparently this was a long-known bug, that was never patched. I'm more philosophical about it now, but I was angry about it at the time...
Map differences between the areas in Origins that became Arkham City didn't make sense. Sionis industries interior was almost entirely different inside in a way that made no sense. The courthouse layout was also different; there wasn't even a door that could lead to the downstairs area that was in City. Even some of the roads didn't make sense (but they didn't in City either). Having a murder scene in the same spot as the Wayne murders was also dumb. The GCPD building in Arkham City was a library in Origins. Wonder Tower was very different, although Batman was not able to access the exterior base building for the tower at street level in City, because it was within the security walls. Just lots of inconsistencies between the Origins and City maps that were more than just cosmetic and it made no sense.
Arkham Origins was my 2nd favorite of the series behind Arkham City. I ranked Arkham Knight as the worst of the series but I'm playing it again now for the 4th time and it is growing on me and becoming a little better than I remembered.
My biggest issues with story were joker introduction...and then having electocutioner be a one hit win and pointless fight amd making lady shiva and deadshot as side quests. Joker should have been new villain introduced as a sidequest, instead of posing as black mask
My last favorite thing was the lag and occasional freezing. The lag seemed constant though, and it made the game feel like a slog to get through. I'd love to go back and play a lag free version of the game.
When you finish the game alfred talks about going home to celebrate Christmas. At least I wanted to see a cutscene with Bruce Wayne celebrating Christmas in Wayne manor with a bunch of other people
Gabriel_005gamer or like on the animated series where he watches it’s a wonderful life
Yeah
And finally have that Christmas dinner!
@@andm9766 Alfred: It was nice of Commissioner Gordon to give you his recording of It's A Wonderful Life.
Dick: And it is a wonderful life.
Bruce: It...has its moments.
@Demetrius Nosworthy damn two bots
I play Orgins every christmas eve to get me in the spirit.
It's definitely my favorite "Christmas game" haha.
@@DegenerateJay arkham knight is my favorite "Halloween game."
That's not a bad idea actually...
same dude
haha I thought I was the only one
I'm still pissed origins wasn't included in the return to arkham pack!
Me too. Big missed opportunity to polish that game up and get it running at 60 fps on a modern system.
Blake well said
I cry when I see return too Arkham but no origins ;(
scott mcclary I don’t believe Rocksteady was allowed to add it since Origins wasn’t made by rocksteady
@@doctordundee3198 yeah it was legal issues but it's still shitty, even "never say never again" is still included in most James bond box sets!
you beat it in a day!?!?!?! took me 3 days to beat electrocutioner alone!
Hahaha the electrocutioner fight made me laugh the first time you just kick him in one hit... Some people hate that stuff but I found it funny they even gave him a health bar.
oero ibra bruh u must be trash that was the easiest boss fight in the whole game💀🤡
Ryan Dominguez r/whoosh
Degenerate Jay It was very funny. In fact I just did his "fight" yesterday. I completely forgot about, so I expected a legit fight. When I first hit him I burst out laughing, this is the kind of stuff that's always welcome in my opinion.
@@ryandxminguez it must be easy for you to kill a joke
Is it just me or do I think we needed a cutscene at the end where Bruce finally eats that ham with Alfred
That would have been so cool to see
*Eats Goth-Ham*
8 assassins, except killer croc is dealt with, Electrocutioner doesn’t get a fair fight, and gets axed off, Shiva, DeadShot, and black mask are sidequest. DeadShot, mad hatter are back from Arkham city doing basically the same thing.
Deadshot’s fight is basically two face’s from the last catwoman section of Arkham city.
Copperhead fight is basically Ra’s al gul’s shadow clones.
Joker, as great as his performance is in every Arkham game, once again he hogs the spotlight.
Yet, I still enjoyed this game.
PhantomShadow224 actually in Arkham city deadshot and mad hatter are doing what they did in origins, since origins takes place before city
JBear Antonicic yes, I know that origins is a prequel (leading to converting of an asylum on arkham island). also “following a ninja’s dna trail” was from Arkham city
Well, not everyone knew the 2 face fight from arkham city, as not everyone played the game of the year section. In my case, I got origins before arkham city GOTY and never played the catwoman section.
Copperhead is similar to ra's al gul, but a lot less repetitive.
And it actually felt like Black Mask was the big bad before Joker was revealed. And it makes sense too. I mean, Black Mask putting a bounty on the bat? Didnt feel like something Black Mask would really do. Yet trying to find out why black mask suddenly would do such a thing was actually a great way to "introduce" joker. I mean, lets face it, you cannot have the origins of a lot of bad guys and exclude Joker. But I mean, lets take Asylum. Sure, Joker was the main bad guy there, but over the entire game, he is more of a background character. Ivy and Harley get more screentime in game than Joker
And even the Riddler, Arkham Origins had a fairly good reason for riddler datapacks, while in the main series, they went kinda overkill with it, but Origins had a fairly well distributed and accesible pool of datapacks. You would either need to backtrack the story there anyway or you already could unlock the tools you needed, while in Asylum, City and Knight, you almost need to cover the entire map 4 times before you have all the necessary tools. I mean, there is "only" 200 riddler datapacks, there were 250-ish collectables for batman(300-ish if you include catwoman) in City and 240 collectables in Asylum, let alone the 300+ collectables in Knight. Origins at least gives you a reason outside of being a completionist to go back to certain area's. Let alone maybe 5 locations. Knight luckily added a system where not all trophies appear at once, meaning you can systematically clear the map before returning, but you still need to return at least 3 times to the same locations.
Predated O you don’t need to tell me this when I already love the Arkham series including origins and knight. I completed each game about 3 times. Discovered multiple sequence breaks and a small amount of minor glitches.
@@PhantomShadow224 I know people are annoyed about Joker being the Main villain, but this series is about the relationship between Joker and Batman, I realised that at the end of Knight. But it is your opinion and I respect that.
I really love this game even though most people don't, the relationship of Batman and joker is done so well and the dramatic Christmas music just makes this game epic, also I liked Batman's history with the Gcpd.
Yeah, really enjoyed the game. Playing as death stroke was actually fun as opposed to the bat family
I agree I think it is a great game
It's so crazy that origins is my favorite game. It's just too good bro, the boss fights were perfect, in my opinion they portrayed the beginning of batman too well and it was just so perfect, the beginning of batman and how aggressive he is, he is so angry and young. And using roger was the best option for a younger batman, the beginning of a relationship with the villians and batman and them beginning to fear him and especially the relationship with bane or joker with batman. They portrayed the beginning of a great rivalry between joker and batman just too good. And then you can see that the joker will start to know batman better and he knows his weaknesses, like he didn't know that batmam would not kill anyone and he tried to break him. So joker was the best in origins and had the best design as a younger joker. The story was perfect, especially bane and batman and how they knew each other. I love origins and I don't care what anyone says, it is so underrated just because of a stupid reason that rocksteady didn't make it. The Deathstroke and bane boss fights still gives me chills till this day, they don't appreciate this game much. It's definitely top 2. I understand opinions but they really should pay attention to this game more. That mission in the hotel royale is still the best mission in the series. It was perfect how you go from the sewers to the hotel and you do detective and predator stuff and you see the joker scene where he kills electrocutioner and you get his gloves, and you have to make your way up to the hotel, it was perfect. And then going to the bane fight while joker is watching. And you go save joker and actually this game really did the backstory of batman and joker justice. You can see how deep joker is. That's why I just love origins, and to point out origins was the first arkham game I played that's why I love it, it introduced me to the series. And it's the prequel so it was perfect to play first.
I know It has been 2 years:3 but For me it didn't perfome well even though I like the game to this day. It was 90% arkham city. Combat was downgraded or bugged you can't batclaw slam an enemy if they are not close enough wich wasn't the case in city and the predator map doesn't fill it self like city was total let down + way too many bugs
@@90sgamer225 true, it has many frame rate drops aswell.
Fans started giving origins credit once Knight's problems was revealed.
Yeah I don't think it helps that the games started off on such a good note with Asylum. Part of the reason that game was so good was the map was small and focused. Everything was meticulous. There's an issue with scope as you make any world bigger and the fact that you can't pump a billion dollars into a game to make the entire world feel alive and make everything perfect in a game as big as Knight. Some studios are better with that sort of thing than others as well. Like the Witcher 3 is massive and has very few things to criticize but even that game isn't actually perfect.
In regards to Red hood I agree, making him the morally gray character as he is, acting as an obstacle that both challenges Bruce and Batman character arc's rather than an outright villain would of easily given fans and critics something more positive to say about Knight.
I think so too on those points. They went a little too far into outright villain due to the characters anger than something like Under the Red Hood did. I feel an adaptation of that into the Arkham series without going the way they did would have been better.
The story was basically Batman hush swap hush out for scarecrow even the fact that ivy was important to the story
@Bobby Papoutsis I agree with everything but the black mask thing it would ruin the whole story but adding another shoehorned villian basically recreating the joker problem.
I love Origins But, few things I didn't like were...
1. No cut scene of Batman building the Batmobile
2. No tease of Alfred and Bruce going to the circle to see the flying graysons
3.Joker / Black Mask plot twist
4.The Timeline . No way this game takes place 5 years before Asylum.
5. Nygma becoming the Riddler after you get the "First Riddler Trophy"
Yeah I always assumed the game was 10 to 15 years before but 5 is just absurd because all the Asylum, City and Knight are simply too dense with characters and story to allow for that.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Yeah because there's no way he met and trained robin , jason todd and babs , and then dick grayson turns into Nightwing , Jason gets killed , Babs gets crippled and he meets Tim Drake all in "5" years ? lol
@Gavin Blain Yeah I think they corrected it after alot of fans complained about the time line issue.
@@holmeshuddle985 Ok that makes more sense.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Yeah and living a city as dark and violent as Gotham would be like Dog Years LOL
Origins will always have a special place in my heart.
same brother best arkham game
ihave origins and asylum
but before i finish origins my arkham asylum got scrached
but batman in origins is fat and his hands are heavy
Same,my first arkham game
I may be the alone in saying this, but I had a blast playing the multiplayer. Until it glitched and reset all my progress
I have a tradition to play this every Christmas Eve which I'll pass on to my kids when I'm an old man.
lol
Lmao
PS the multiplayer didn’t take away from development of the main game. The multiplayer was developed by Splash Damage.
Good point that's true. I suppose you could make the argument that the money from that development could have gone into the single player, because it's both money and time people make that argument about, but I very much was glad the multiplayer was there.
They did Medal of Honors MP too. Sadly due to WB pulling the plug on support they didn't get to refine the promising Origins MP.
Not enough grapple points either. Huge pain in the ass traversing the map using just the grapple and glide system.
not really, there are enough grapple points for me. If you glide & dive well there's more than enough grapple points. And you have the Fast Travel option with batwing too.
@@nhatvu8800 the problem is you can't go up to the top of buildings like in knight guess it's last gen limitation.
@@nhatvu8800 good for you but he's not wrong about this. I despise exploring the city because of this
I hate the little hight and speed you get if you use the grapple boost in origns. In city and knight, at the start of the game you at least can get a fair amount of hight and speed and more if you want to. But I don't know if you can upgrade your grapple boost because I just started the game a few days ago.
@@brianT8721 Yes, you can upgrade it. Once you do, it’s so much faster & easier to navigate around Gotham City!
To me here are 5 things they got wrong:
1. Too many thugs in boss battles instead of 1v1s
2. Black mask should've been the center point of the story the main antagonist but instead overshadowed by a joker plot twist... Instead I rather would've like a small origin story for joker
3. Should've showed Bruce Wayne going to the flying Grayson's circus with some gf of his in a post credit scene
4. Showing joker and shoving him in as the main villain again
5. Not enough single player DLC
Points 2 and 4 are essentially the same thing
My Vices As much as I love the Joker, I think I would have actually preferred the actual Black Mask as the main villain. Not everything has to be about the Joker.
The Arkham games are about the relationship between the Joker and Batman, and in my opinion is the best version of their relationship to date, yes it is your opinion but I for people who actually think about the games they will realise that is what it is about.
Aside from Arkham City this one actually has quite a bit after the story is over. You have to find and stop Banes right hand guy and you have to track down escaped black gate inmates. Not to mention the DLC Cold Cold Heart.
I pray online comes back in the sequel. Used to love hopping on after school with my mates
@Victor Nieves probably talking about arkham knights
I did wish there was more side stuff and maybe some post game. It did feel like a huge stylized DLC at times but I love it.
Andy Owski bruh it had a longer story than city, I just git a computer (for my birthday) so got the free arkham games (on epic) and orgins on steam and I played City first took me (First ever computer game I usually play PS3/4) and it only took 6 hours and orgins took at least 10 the side missions I admit are easy (Though I dont ever do riddler so stupid to me and I hate getting aggravated over that shit) and those did only take 2 hours but City didnt have many sidemissions either, I don’t remember any and I just beat the game because besides banes mission there wasent really anything🤷🏻♂️ azreal wasent a mission there was no fighting like in Knight
Origins is actually my favorite and I do agree with a few of your points.
What? I love origins but it doesn’t weigh up to city. Origins>Asylum though
@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 it did the things that mattered most to me
Origins my favorite too bro it’s just too nice. The story, the batman. The sound of the hits. Ugh and playing as deathstroke is nice
@@denzelmichigan4688 hell yeah and they did bane justice
If Montreal had proper dev time (they had little more than a year) origins could've been the best Batman game.
Legacy precisely aha
I just finished origins and came back to watch these two videos. Honestly I love the more fleshed out joker and batman character archs. I Do think the joker reveal came a bit too early, and I think the assassins could've all had a bit more time in the spot light
I didn't like what WB did with The Worst Nightmare skin. They didn't even announce that the skin wasn't gonna be in the game until someone asked them about it after 100% completion. That was pretty shady and unprofessional to me.
My only issues with this game were continuity, some of the terrible interior level designs, horribly designed challenge system, lack of innovation, and the fact that Joker took center stage yet again after we were promised Roman Sionis (which wouldn't have been THAT bad if Black Mask would have been given some kind of respectful treatment.)
I've had a love/hate relationship with it for a long time but I think the love for how fun it is outweighs the hate. It's extremely satisfying to play with a great atmosphere, gorgeously stylistic cutscenes and even decent writing here and there. I still go back to it.
I have five main grievances with Origins.
1) The in-game story content in lacking despite having a map twice as large as _Arkham City._ It needed a Season of Infamy DLC pack.
2) Some details weren't thought out. The police commissioner being killed could easily explain a city-wide curfew but wasn't thought of.
3) The mook enemy A.I. is too aggressive and will end up crowding around me during fights which made large numbers a mess.
4) Three assassins were misused. Deadshot and Shiva are not in the main-story and Croc is fought before we know he is an assassin.
5) Loose ends. Alberto Falcone, Candy, & Tracey got too much focus but nothing was done with them. Not even a side op.
Origins is still a great addition to the series. I loved its overall atmosphere and dark interesting story as well as villains in this game. For me in some ways absolutely better than City and I mean it. And Troy Baker as Joker?? Top notch!!! Batmans voice actor is also great.
Roger Craig Smith’s voice was perfect for a young Bruce/Batman. Troy Baker is pretty much the biggest voice actor in all of media. He plays a lot of iconic characters & he was great as a younger Joker
Both of them work well for younger versions of the character's but in if they had kept their roles for Arkham Knight, it wouldn't have worked so well because the characters were older
Agreed, i still like City but i can't believe people will say Origins is overrated when its the compete opposite the overrated Arkham game is really City
Despite Knight being a great game, I believe what made it tolerable was the little Joker moments/commentary. I have this feeling that if the Joker hallucinations hadn't been there, Knight would feel a little like Origins did with a seemingly empty world.
I honestly prefer this game over Arkham knight. If the rumours are true and WB Montreal are taking another stab at a batman game I’d be totally on board. They could learn from their experience on origins as well as knight’s criticism.
I watched some guy do a “retrospective” on the Arkham series all 4 games but all he did was talk about the negatives in the games
I had something of a problem with them not putting a lot of effort into game design and aesthetics to fit it being a prequel. The bat suit looks great, but it looks far more advanced than what is used in asylum, it doesn’t make much sense that he gets such a worse batsuit in the future. Then there’s like the grapnel boost, that was a specific aspect of city, the tech for that is a prototype and it is made clear that city is the first time he’s using it, so it makes 0 sense for him to have it in origins. Of course, that thing is super fun so it’s kind of necessary to have in the game, but they could have had some creative way of implementing something similar, maybe he steals the tech for it off a boss or something, but there’s just no mention. Then there’s the fact that he gets some new gadgets but apparently doesn’t retain them for use in asylum for some reason, the glue grenade for example. His detective vision seemed to have substantially more functionality. In asylum it at best could highlight fingerprints in the environment, but in origins it can like make visual recreations of crime scenes that play out in AR, makes no sense that he loses this ability in asylum. This is kind of an inherent issue with making a prequel of any game. You want the game to feel fresh so you add more advanced mechanics, weaponry, and gadgets, but at the same time the fact that it happens before other games in the franchise means it doesn’t make any sense for it to be that way, so you’re kind of forced to either make the game have less interesting gameplay or do away with an element of realism.
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Funny thing is that in the cinematic trailer of Arkham Origins (Deathstroke fight) when Black mask appears at the end you can hear that his voice is Troy Baker. Which means it's Joker even at this point. You can recognize it because it's exactly hearable that this is Two-Face's "evil side" Voice
Yes! I was wondering why they changed the voice actor for Black Mask. Then I realized it was because he was Joker.
I love the multiplayer so much. I hope it gets expanded on in legacy.
The multiplayer was cool but it was so, so dead
I wish origins are playable for ps4... I just finished arkham knight new game+ and now im eager to buy other arkham games!
Arkham knight is a big world but it lacks in some point... For me I love thugs hanging around along the roads but also on rooftop... After finishing all the most wanted, it seems like there's nothing else to do in the world🙄
I agree with you. I'm not sure if you have the season pass, but the Season of Infamy DLC will extend the game a couple hours and is a lot of fun for the most part. It's not perfect but sadly a lot of the good post game is in that content.
@@DegenerateJay Yeah I have the season pass, bought it last month cuz it's on sale. The dlc is really good but unfortunately it's quite pricey and just like I said, after you finished the whole game there's nothing else to do than completing all PS trophies 😂
I love this game and idk why batman is more entertaining than spiderman ps4. Luv your videos btw😊
@Bobby Papoutsis Wow! Couldn't agree more! At first Playthrough I didn't know much about the bat family and all the story about the accident of Jason Todd... So when Arkham Knight appears, for me he's something brand new.
But because of this game and Batman Arkham City (played about 2 years ago) I started to search, watch and read about the story of jason todd and also about other batman enemies...
And yes, Joker shouldn't be in the game cuz he's dead after what happened in arkham city and focus more on other villains, the boss fight really not to what I expected especially Deathstroke. 🤷♀️
What they talk about:
1. Dead city
2. Misusing Black Mask and Riddler
3. Misleading marketing
4. Problems in the multiplayer
5. Problems in the campaign
This is the ultimate 50 50 for me.
On one hand, I love the aesthetic, the look of batman, the story is great, the characters were good, fun, etc.
But the main reason I hate it, and why I refuse to really play it more than a few minutes, is my boy Roman Sionis.
He has been my fav villain since I found him, and seeing him being treated like he was in this game really hurt my soul
Bro I actually am surprised how they are frustrated with joker in origins. Like he was so good. The design was the best. And his relationship with batman and how it begins is perfect. The story of joker, the dialogues, the relationship with batman. It was the best in this game. And people don't realize that without joker that story wouldn't be as good as it is.
I think this game could use a sequel more than Knight. Knights ending is supposed to be about Batman's legacy living on no matter what so unless you go to beyond where it's way out they don't need that. This game has so many good ideas that would be incredible to see in a sequel fully realized.
I think that's a good point on the legacy of the Batman.you need to be careful when you introduce concepts like that that you're not just going to undercut them in another game.
Batman arkham origins has the best suits
To continue your point about riddler being tacked on, I always found it odd that they just used a static picture for pretty much every encounter with him. It felt cheap.
It’s funny, the joker twist was kind of on the nose the whole time. It was always Troy and roger doing the interviews and comic con panels. The joker was apart of the collectors edition. But yet we was still shocked
I remember reading the actors list and seeing the previews and thinking: "Joker's going to be the villian in this isn't he?"
I think people underestimated just how obvious it was when he beat a random thug to death in the trailer.
I see everyone talk about the games, but never how great your content is. You deserve a million subs.
I never realized this game was shorter than City, i actually assumed it was longer because it felt longer
cant lie the electrocutioner boss fight was lit
In my opinion the only thing that I dislike about this game is that it sometimes lags a bit.
I dont care that the graphics arent flashy or ultra realistic, to me graphics dont determine whether a game is good or bad. I just wish the game ran as smooth as Asylum or City.
I enjoy the game is almost every aspect tho.
The bosses were very fun, the suits Batman has are badass, I even enjoy this version of Gotham. I am a huge fan of Christmas and Batman, and a massive fan of the Noel Story...so having that story basically put into a video game is heaven for me.
I just don't like the lifeless city. The field music gets old fast and the landscape is just barren. It feels like there are buildings and cars, but not a city. For all it's flaws, at least Arkham Knight felt like an authentic, livable environment. And yeah, the whole "Every single person in Gotham is inside for Christmas, and will continue to remain indoors...even the Police won't roam the streets". What about those who don't celebrate Christmas? And why is everyone else who's outdoors just a criminal? We desperately need variety.
I agree, I wish this game was longer. I'd honestly have wanted ALL the assassins to have been part of the story as opposed to side missions, because that would probably have made them a bit more fleshed out, or at the very least I wish the assassin side missions to have been longer and there to have been more to them.
I loved Origins! I prefer it more than the Rocksteady trilogy tbh. Assassins coming for you and all the villains in it makes it lively even though no one is in Gotham imo and also the Boss fights are the best making you really feel like “The Batman”. I think the reason why people didn’t like it is because of the graphics and the feel of copy and pasting Arkham City
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I wish there was a final scene at Christmas and also in the new year's dlc,I wanted to see Alfred and Bruce having dinner and eating together like father and son
and Bruce having an emotional dialogue about his parents And looking at their photo and telling Alfred that he is a father to him That he never had,a second father and Alfred saying the same thing about Bruce being his son,would be a great dialogue in the cutscene And showing the snow outside at Christmas or New Year in a happy ending with exciting music in the background,It would be incredible and a great ending to an origin game,it's a shame it didn't happen
I was waiting a lot forward to this scene or a funny post-credits scene with Bruce is Alfred hunting the giant bat in the batcave where In one of the dialogues with Alfred Bruce said that after dinner They would hunt the creature together,it would be incredible to see this scene, it's a shame it didn't happen... Who also wanted to see these scenes and was in the game and in the story dlc? 🤔🥺🤧 Like and Bye!
And An extra: I also missed the dlc a scene after the credits in prison with Mr.freeze looking out the window in the snow and holding an ice cube statue of his wife And he's crying at the end because he couldn't save her in the dlc A shame it didn't happen...
I like the game and always have, even though I do feel like it has a dead world and is just kind of AC 2.0.
One thing I wish they would have done a bit more of, if they were going to use the AC map, is let us explore some of those places before they got run down and destroyed. Like, let us track someone down in the building that eventually became Ivy's lair in AC.They did it a bit with the Steel Mill, and I know it'd be hard to let us in all the locations. I wouldn't expect to see the entire museum again, for instance. And you wouldn't want them to overdo it; I just think a bit more of that would have been cool. Half the map was the AC map, sort of, yet they gave us mostly new places to go within that part of the map.
Another thing that Origins got wrong was the continuity
For example,in Arkham Asylum,in Harley Quinn's bio,it says that she met Joker in the Asylum but in this game she met him in Blackgate.
Yeah they've sort of just started retconning things at this point if they want, which is like props on creativity bad on breaking the lore. Those bios in Asylum are odd some are still accurate others aren't canon at all.
I didn't mind Black Mask getting written out halfway through the story. I love Black Mask, he's a cool villain, but story-wise it makes sense. I always saw him as a mafia boss who kinda just does his own thing and doesn't actively bother Batman, especially in Arkham version of him. He got his ass beaten by Joker, but then he got his justice, or at least he thought, and being scared of Joker, he decided to go back into doing his own stuff. Batman went after Bane and Joker, because at the core, Arkham games are Batman's stories and he too needed to take care of what threathed him the most at that moment. True, it would be nice to get a side mission after beating the main story or something, but ultimately, I've never minded.
It has some of the best moments and gameplay ideas in the whole series but never gets the appreciation for them it deserves.
The problem with the Riddler trophies really traces back to that they didn't understand what they really are. Riddler trophies have three purposes: To reward you for exploring the map, to reward you for mastering your tools in the game, and to be health packs for when the player is a bit low. Arkham City had a few to many because it leaned a bit to hard into the last reason, but it does mean that the player is never going into a fight low on health.
In Origins they don't heal you, so the ones just sitting out in the open have no real purpose. Which means they need to be restricted to locations that are interesting to get to, or easy to find but locked behind hard challenges. While there are a few hard challenges getting to some of them, most of them are fairly easy and the challenges are repetitive. And with the number of them, there's just to many for them all to be interesting to get to.
Part of this is actually that the game has the various ranking systems, which were nice - but supplanted some of the purposes for the Riddler trophies, which made them even more pointless.
So, strip out them being a challenge to get, them being interesting to get to, or them being useful - and they're just there in the game for no real reason.
if they could fix the multiplayer, they could easily release it as a full game itself (with added stuff, of course)
Playing through it today since my first time on release. Forgot how much fun this game was. Just beat City last night and it felt like that one went by QUICK. Going for Knight after i beat Origin!
The Predator maps in this game pulled me out of the atmosphere and made it feel more like a videogame. In all of the other games the predator maps felt natural, but all of the maps here felt like they were specifically designed for that game mechanic. Seriously, what psychopathic architect designed that police precinct bullpen? It was god damn ridiculous.
I actually got asylum like 3 years ago but played city and knight origins all on release day but I finished asylum with all riddler trophies in about 5 or 6 hours
Maybe there isn't much going on in the world because theres a f**king snow storm!
7:29 literally all they had to do is like add the jokers laugh at the end of one of the trailers to let people know he’s going to be in this game
I still enjoyed playing Origins more than Knight... IDK somethink was missing in Knight , or maybe there was way too much of batmobile
R3do I recently replayed Arkham Knight and there is definitely way too much Batmobile. I didn’t understand all the hate the past few years but I finally understand.
Hey, at least they gave Deathstroke an actual hand-to-hand boss battle. Arkham Knight just gave him a tank battle which didn’t fit his character, whereas a 1v1 hand-to-hand fight does.
I absolutely loved this game. The Christmas theme makes it so much better and it overrall had an excellent story, character development, and tension. I still love it a little bit more than Knight
It's interesting regarding the Joker because WB Montreal in fact did advertise his presence in the game and how would it be his first encounter with Batman. I don't think they ever said he would only have minimal presence, especially as he kept appearing in trailers too. The bigger problem for me is that Black Mask was barely used after being advertised as main threat. And the first two voice actors that were announced were Roger Craig Smith for Batman and Troy Baker for the Joker, quite before Brian Bloom for Black Mask. I feel that was a teaser on itself because Troy Baker also voices the Joker disguised as Black Mask. All in all, I really enjoyed Joker as a character in this game and I think his scenes are among the strongest in this game.
Origins is my favourite in the Arkham series. The boss fights, the atmosphere, the difference in the characters due to them being younger. Plus, it also holds a lot of sentimental value, it was the first game I ever pre ordered, first collector's edition I ever pre ordered and, up until now, the only collector's edition I owned
How do they explain away the grapnel boost being in this game when it’s “not ready for field deployment” in City??
i am no expert in the arkham game series, only playing the first three, but i believe what youre thinking is that in city with the ar training, they were referring to the like advanced grapnel boost, the one where u double click A and it goes faster. in that case, thats just a small upgrade and turns out that the line "its not ready for field deployment" is completely irrelevant and holds no weight. so i thiiiink youre referring to the non essential upgrade the gadget gets in city, im p sure batman has always had his grabnel boost as long as he has been batman
WB Games said that they were willing to sacrifice minor plot inconveniences for the betterment of the gameplay
You guys are really great argumentative speakers and I think you guys should keep it up with your channel, also love the content.
I swear the hands on the Ridder looks like they took it off of Team Fortress 2
The marketing hurt the game a lot. If it was different I think people would enjoy it.
Agreed. The marketing I think was the games' big downfall. The icing on the cake was the glitches at launch.
@Bobby Papoutsis the new spiderman game didn't have goblin or venom
I think the main reason this game gets so much hate is Conroy and Hamill not being there.
Hands down, I prefer it to Knight (way too much batmobile stuff)
Yo the origins cape when gliding is FIRE ASF
A good way to have added joker to this game without taking centre stage would have been a red hood dlc where your doing this predator map where it ends with you knocking him into the acid
I'm sad that Origins was kind of rushed out to fill space between City and Knight, so the devs didn't have time to finish all of their ideas, like how Deathstroke was meant to be a recurring encounter before being beaten later in the game.
Also, the whole "no one is outside because of a blizzard" angle sounds like an excuse that was added later in development, because Firefly's section of the plot involves a bunch of captive civilians whose cars are clearly all over the bridge. You can't tell me that these are the only people in Gotham who were out during this blizzard. I'm inclined to believe the city probably was going to be more lively originally, but time constraints made it difficult to see that vision through.
I think the point regarding the life in the city is a fair one 👍 I felt Knight did a better job both shooing civilians out of the frame but also diversifying the patterns and behaviour of roaming thugs.
I appreciated and admire the winter / holiday atmosphere with Origins because it really pulls it off and manages to offer a slightly different theme for a slightly different Arkham.
Saying that, the sense of isolation and of being alone in what you were doing, was definitely felt.
It's so crazy that origins is my favorite game. It's just too good bro, the boss fights were perfect, in my opinion they portrayed the beginning of batman too well and it was just so perfect, the beginning of batman and how aggressive he is, he is so angry and young. And using roger was the best option for a younger batman, the beginning of a relationship with the villians and batman and them beginning to fear him and especially the relationship with bane or joker with batman. They portrayed the beginning of a great rivalry between joker and batman just too good. And then you can see that the joker will start to know batman better and he knows his weaknesses, like he didn't know that batmam would not kill anyone and he tried to break him. So joker was the best in origins and had the best design as a younger joker. The story was perfect, especially bane and batman and how they knew each other. I love origins and I don't care what anyone says, it is so underrated just because of a stupid reason that rocksteady didn't make it. The Deathstroke and bane boss fights still gives me chills till this day, they don't appreciate this game much. It's definitely top 2. I understand opinions but they really should pay attention to this game more. That mission in the hotel royale is still the best mission in the series. It was perfect how you go from the sewers to the hotel and you do detective and predator stuff and you see the joker scene where he kills electrocutioner and you get his gloves, and you have to make your way up to the hotel, it was perfect. And then going to the bane fight while joker is watching. And you go save joker and actually this game really did the backstory of batman and joker justice. You can see how deep joker is. That's why I just love origins, and to point out origins was the first arkham game I played that's why I love it, it introduced me to the series. And it's the prequel so it was perfect to play first.
I think there should have been a better way to become Bane/Joker in the multiplayer. It was always just a mad dash to the door and even if you got there first someone else can become them leaving you feeling cheated. All cooperation goes out the door. I think a randomiser should have been used to pick a player to become them or choose the player who has been the most matches without becoming the boss and make them it, that way you will always feel like your're getting a fair amount of time as the big bad.
To sum up my issues with Origins:
- Joker. The Joker is a good villain but it wasn't handled very good. They setup Black Mask only to pull the rug out from us and say it was Joker all along. Also the Joker isn't much of an actor, that's more Clayface's stick.
- Harley Quinn. Totally fucked her up because all we needed to know was done in Asylum. At best this was needless change that hurts the over all lore of the games.
- Bane. TN1 or Titan was a Doctor Young invention from Asylum. Outside from being based off Bane's venom, it had nothing to do with him. Also recycled Titan mobs.
- Deathstroke. Great, and well written. However my issues is it's the Ra's al Ghul boss fight from City. Just reskinned and less sand.
- Riddler. Good and fun but just a bit too much.
- 2 prison riots in one night. That's a bit much to believe I think.
- The Storm was a joke of a reason why the NPCs were mostly limited to cops or villains.
- Graphics somehow look worse than City's. And yes I got them both on PC, and Origins still looks dated by City standards.
- DLC characters were way too limited. Oh look Bruce Wayne and Deathstroke, which both plays a lot alike.
- The 5 year gap from Origins and Asylum is dumb. Jim and Babara Gordon's ages alone highlight way this is a problem. Never mind all the Robins too. Dick, Tim, and Jason.
- Then MY GOD the glitches. Both online and story mode were/are filled with them. Some side missions just break. The AR training was broken. A main quest door wouldn't work in Blackgate at the start of the game. It took about a week for that to be patched. The Worst Knightmare challenges sometimes don't work. You'll do the challenge but the game would count it. This is a problem because some challenges can ONLY be done in certain predator rooms and with autosaves you could ruin a 100% run of the game.
With all the story issues, there is a reason why people question it's cannonition.
BEYOND THE SPIDER FILMS Hang on, wdym that the Deathstroke fight was just a reskin of City’s Rā’s al Ghul fight? Maybe you’re thinking of Copperhead?
@@windermere_peaks No, Copperhead is closer to Scarecrow. The way Deathstroke jumps at Batman with his sword and the countering is mostly the same to Ra's.
BEYOND THE SPIDER FILMS Yeah there’s similarities but the Rā’s fight was focused on taking down clones in phase 1 and shooting him with the REC in phase 2. Deathstroke was entirely 1v1 and solely hand to hand.
Regarding Copperhead/Scarecrow, they’re thematically very alike but you never actually fight Scarecrow, there’s just the stealth sections in Asylum.
@@windermere_peaks Still a good chunk of the Ra's al Ghūl fight is lifted from City to Origins. It's not a a word for word clone but I feel it borrowed too much. Especially since most people I've seen, treat it like the second coming of boss fights and completely side step City.
As for the Scarecrow bit, yeah I agree. Definitely more of theme type of thing. Unless you want to count the skeletons from Asylum? But I even feel that's reaching
Technically TN-1 is different from Titan, so it doesn't feel like a too much of a leap that two different people were working on a super steroid at different times.
Plus some kind of brain damage was necessary to explain why Bane was a dumb thug in the Arkham series.
Joker was shoehorned in for sure, but he's been that way since Asylum.
Origins gives him a meaningful character arc and leaves some part of the system he broke into up in the air.
That makes his scheme slightly more believable than him bypassing the locked down system we see in Arkham Asylum.
Overall it's still a better inclusion than the first game, even if only marginally.
The marketing is what holds the main story back, and even then you could tell what was going on, if you read into it a bit.
I kinda hated how the assassins plot line was kinda dropped after the joker reveal.
But it was cool to see the beginning of joker and Batman’s relationship in the Arkham universe.
My friends and I love the Arkham series and our discussions about Origins usually revolves around how it had a lot of good ideas but just missed the mark with its execution. Though the boss battles were outstanding.
3:13 I've said that Origins should have been a Year One style game set in Batman's early career where he only fought thugs, corrupt cops and gangsters with Black Mask as the main villain and the game being about bringing him down. Joker shouldn't have been in the game at all.
The playable deathstroke was awesome. I just wish he was a playable character in the campaign like catwoman was for arkham city.
Definitely
I got the return to arkham game not even 48 hours ago and already got %100 completed the game with riddler trophies, armadaious diary’s, and all the challenges and stuff within 8 hours and now I want to see how long I would take me to beat origins and beat it with %100 completion if it was for PS4 lol but I loved this game series and all though they’re heavily flawed they are still amazing games that I will always hold a special place in my heart for (I actually got the scarecrow sum with the upside down batman symbol and eyes from arkham asylum tattooed on my arm because he was my absolute favorite version of scarecrow)
steam has a batman arkham origins online group that way you don't have to wait so long in a lobby there's always some one playing
Man. If Origins had the assassins try to sabotage each other, it would sound like an awesome game. Everyone would be part of the story as they would try to one up one another, leading to Batman taking advantage of their distractions. Imagine if Bane’s men would get into a scuffle with Deathstroke.
Or if Deathstroke and Deadshot had an ongoing rivalry like the reveal trailer implied
So this one is a doozy...
For us we encountered a major bug after the GCPD servers section. For some reason after the cutscene the autosave feature activated and I waited until it was finished. My friend that bought it wanted to get something to eat so I was like, " Sure whatever; how's Chipotle sound?" So we left after I turned off the game. When we came back and kept playing. Everything seemed to load fine and I was back at the servers in the sewers. Since we already saw the cutscene and knew the bank was the next mission we made our way to the ladder out of the sewers. At this point in the garage a locked door needs to be activated by hacking it. Unfortunately I noticed it was super difficult and the password made no sense but we got passed it. Once outside we went to the bank but couldn't get in the door. (Odd right? I'm sure you see where this is going)
So we check the objectives and find something super confusing. "Access the GCPD Servers". My dude was like "but didn't we do that already?" I was like, "I thought so bc we saw the cutscene...." So we go back to the garage but the door is sealed shut.(odd) My boy was like, "uh oh...." So I had to go back into the GCPD into the sewers the hard way and then we get to this one part. See I forgot to mention that the only way up to the server section is via a platform elevator that is basically there to buy time as the game renders the next section, as a Full Stack Software Developer I understand their reasons for having you fight random enemies the 1st time. The issue is that the game doesn't reset the initial conditions back to default so the platform(which is above you in a non grapple location) cannot be accessed. The buttom is ONLY interactive via direct contact so Baturangs don't work and it has no _"deelevate"_ command. *I. WAS. **_PIIIIIISSED._* My guess is how the auto save features work (or don't) isn't the same as the others because they didn't debug or check any memory allocation issues and therefore leaks and crashes are common. (This is why collision detection can fail as it has to render the objects and it's properties from memory before you or an npc interacts with it[I.e a wall ] They most likely "save" *Location* and *Inventory* but do not save *Story* until after leaving one location after another and their event triggers operate based on this. If the other games did something similar an easy fix would be to set their conditionals to only allow leaving an area or mission after a mission critical event has been logged. If not then the "door" or "ladder" in this case wouldn't activate as the event(the cutscene) didn't load. This is why most games will have the character talk to themselves,"I need to do [x,y,z] first before [x2,y2,z2]" to prevent this from happening. Sadly, as this wasn't the case and we were forced to delete our save file and start over! 🤦 that's 2/3 of the game just wasted.
But I mean yeah other than that it was ok I guess...😐
I had a similar bug happen during the GCPD section: When I got to the criminal database and was supposed to get the cutscene where Batman explains what happened at "Black Mask's" murder scene, the game crashed. Okay that was weird, restart the game. I restarted and there was no objective, no waypoint on the map, can't interact with the database terminal, nothing. So I exit through the sewer grate where you're supposed to get the prompt for the Mad Hatter mission with the singing thugs, nothing. I could still hack the door open so at least there was that, but I couldn't do the Mad Hatter mission which means I couldn't unlock the Reverse Batarang or get that last Enigma Datapack, preventing me from 100%ing the main story. I had no idea what the hell I was supposed to do until I heard the bank alarms going off, so thankfully I could at least progress through the story after that annoying hiccup.
@@someonewhocommentsonyoutub3779 Oh wow -- yeah that sucks but I couldn't access anything 😐
black mask not being the main villain will always hurt me so much
I got this game back in 2013 when I was in Middle School, looking back this is a good game, but back then after beating Arkham City I did not enjoy this game much. If I could buy it again and replay it I definitely would.
100% accurate when It comes to the multiplayer.
Around the time of this game my brother complained about how the Joker is always written as a exclamation point character and I was a little disappointed in his initial appearance in the game. But I will say he was done pretty well despite it. My gripes with the game is few to be honest but as I said in your last video the Glitches of the game kill my enjoyment of them more then everything else.
it genuinely felt like someone at WB was like "Wait you killed off the Joker we still need The Joker, find an excuse to include The Joker" which plays into this tired idea of Joker being Batmans Moriarty. Moriarty wasn't even in that many original Holmes books.
Technically Joker wasn't even Batman's first Morarity. Hugo Strange came along much earlier.
Yet one of his signature stories was given to Joker in Arkham Asylum (creating a mess of plot holes in the process).
Yet no one can or will complain about the half hazzard writing in that game to this day.
Those who can't identify bad writing are doomed to receive it.
Funny enough, Origins was my first Arkham game and I enjoyed it A LOT because the combat was similar to Assassin's Creed III. You can say Origins was also my proper introduction to the comic book world. After Origins I just wanted MORE.
I beat the Origins storyline instead of going to my freshman year homecoming dance. That was a good night. Love that game.
A way they maybe could've fixed it is by making Joker one of the Assassins, who takes over after Black Mask's story is done, not that Black Mask was Joker the whole time. Like Batman should've defeated Black Mask and Joker fills the spot so at that point Black Mask was fleshed out and given a full story. It'd just be two different stories but Idk i think it'd work better than "Oh well guess what Joker was behind it all" maybe instead of that it was sort've Joker's plan. Like to let Batman get rid of Black Mask so that Joker can take over. It'd tie them together but Joker wouldn't have been behind everything.
In my opinion they would showed Joker totally in diffrent way. I mean: that would be great if during the main plot, for example Alfred contact with Batman and told him that has a place the rubbery in Ace Chemicals. In that bulding Batman chase mysterious Red Hood and fight with him and other thugs. Finally in the scene Red Hood has a accident and he felt to the chemicals.
After defeat Black Mask and all assasins Batman spoke with Gordon on rooftop of GCPD [like in last scene of Batman Begins] and captain told him that in Gotham showed very dangerous freak and each time he left behind him showcase: the joker card.
I played online too. Had fun, but it was rough.
I like origins. It has one of the best boss fight in arkham
I bought this game twice. Both times it would freeze up at the end of the initial Killer Croc fight, and no longer work. Apparently this was a long-known bug, that was never patched. I'm more philosophical about it now, but I was angry about it at the time...
touc08 I never had that glitch. What console did you use?
Map differences between the areas in Origins that became Arkham City didn't make sense. Sionis industries interior was almost entirely different inside in a way that made no sense. The courthouse layout was also different; there wasn't even a door that could lead to the downstairs area that was in City. Even some of the roads didn't make sense (but they didn't in City either). Having a murder scene in the same spot as the Wayne murders was also dumb. The GCPD building in Arkham City was a library in Origins. Wonder Tower was very different, although Batman was not able to access the exterior base building for the tower at street level in City, because it was within the security walls.
Just lots of inconsistencies between the Origins and City maps that were more than just cosmetic and it made no sense.
Arkham Origins was my 2nd favorite of the series behind Arkham City. I ranked Arkham Knight as the worst of the series but I'm playing it again now for the 4th time and it is growing on me and becoming a little better than I remembered.
My biggest issues with story were joker introduction...and then having electocutioner be a one hit win and pointless fight amd making lady shiva and deadshot as side quests. Joker should have been new villain introduced as a sidequest, instead of posing as black mask
My last favorite thing was the lag and occasional freezing. The lag seemed constant though, and it made the game feel like a slog to get through. I'd love to go back and play a lag free version of the game.
I wish they would release a remastered version of this game