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Progressive deep throat shrinking, sounds ominus! Metz Shrinker Stretcher Tips and Tricks #37
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2019
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Trev, your videos get better and better and they are already great. I love that we get to learn through your experiences not only from the lessons on metal working, but also through your experiences obtaining and assembling your equipment. Everything you show us demonstrates one of the most important things you teach us is patience. You never get upset. Thank you and your family again for the sacrifices all of you make to give us the gift of your videos.
Trev Supporter from USA hey thanks 🤩🤩🤩
Lasse metal shaping has a video on problems the shrinker/stretchers have, how to fix and improve them. Hope it might help some, when I'm stuck you and Lassemetalshaping channels are the best channels to watch especially doing things the old-fashioned way that I learned growing up. Thanks for all the great detailed vids.
Great video Trev. Another great demonstration of how to shape metal properly and fascinating to watch the master at work !
Cheers, Jeff.
cabdriveruk cheers Jeff buddy 🤩
Quant je pense que j'ai eu un mal de chien a faire certain morceau quant j'ai refais mon J9, et la tu nous montre exactement ce que j'avais besoin!
Ta machine a l'aire bien mieux que la mienne de chez Matthys 👍
As I think I had a dog trouble to make some piece when I redid my J9 (see my videos), and you show us exactly what I needed!
Your machine has the area much better than my home Matthys 👍
Wow You really are metal shaping wizard. Thank You for sharing another awesome lesson. 👍
Lazze has some good videos on CZcams of shrinker stretchers worth having a watch mate
Wow, I had no idea you could make compound curves like that with a shrinker/stretcher. I've used them for window frames etc, but this is cool!
The hands and eyes of the master, beautiful work.
Great tip Trev about off set jaw set-up.
Pedal power seems to be the way to go.
Hi Trev, nice to see you got the Metz set up and working. Top job as usual.
Your work is Amazing! Love your videos!
It takes a lot of courage to go to work with a new tool on video before you ever used it! Your self confidence and skill carried the day!
Trev you are a metal working wizard. Thanks for sharing I now want one of those thingys. The only thing is it will take me a lifetime of trying and more than a few sheets of metal to learn the wizardry lol.
Another great video Trev 👍 once again perfectly executed giving a good insight on how the tool operates and how to get the desired outcome
Keep up the good work
That's a good video, I have seen shrinking marks on panels for years and always wandered how they were made, thanks for showing the inside of the jaws now i know how it works.
Great stuff Trev, I got cramp in my right leg just watching
Enjoyed your enthusiasm for the new piece. Great to see a "Real Person" being natural. Look forward to seeing your first project using the "SS".
nice bit of kit Trev, gunno get myself one of these and hopefully a wheeling machine,
Sounds like a great plan 👍
Got to say it Trev i really enjoy your Blogs, ive been in the game 42 years myself and you clearly know what your doing, great stuff all the very best to you. When are we going to see the end chapter of the Bedford Sketch.
Thanks, Nice work, very interesting to se and hear you explaining different tecnics. 👍
Thank you 😊
Trev - do yourself a favour. Being a former parts guy of imported tools, I can tell you that you should anticipate what you may need for this in the next "x" years, and get spares while you can! The factories for these come and go constantly. Even if they sell something that looks like it in a few years, there's nothing saying the parts are interchangeable.
Greetings from Australia. Food for thought. I was looking at videos on CZcams regarding making a pneumatic Planishing hammer mounted on a frame to make curved metal pieces and shapes. Piece of cake. In one video, Planishing Hammer Basics by Ron Covell, he demonstrates how a Planisher can be used with shrinking and stretching dies. The difference being that the surface finish is not marked as with a shrinker/stretcher. Lucky you, having a holiday and visiting St Marks Square in Venice. Hope you missed the peak of the season without the flotilla of cruise ships.
Good to see the workings and techniques of using the equipment. Great work Trev!
Hi Trev shrinking machine looks great mate good to see your getting hang of it you deserve everything you get your the man. !Don't forget to bolt it down! Ha,ha
As per usual a exemplary demonstration ,as too what could be a what seems insurmountable at times . Once again l thank you Trev .
Trev,when i saw this vid come up,i thought,oh god i suppose i,d better watch it,but,it was a lot more interesting than i expected.So well done
cheers.
Thanks Trev, third test piece extremely of interest to me, nice to see it could be done.
Trying to create a shopping list. Seeing it in action is better than any review. Sadly, no longer available on Ebay, only the bench mounted version
looks great , i work with 1.2 mm steel a lot , scania truck cabs etc , the choice of machines that wull do that gauge is limited with out buying a pullmax , and it wouldnt go in the boot of my audi .
great video as usual .
Tev said .9mm steel, he can't be using that thin metal for body repair.
Tezzr Terry .9mm is a standard thickness for most classic cars. Cheers Trev 👍
tom thompson the machine has the capacity to shrink 1.2 mm mild steel but I think it maybe a bit hard going on deep areas. Cheers Trev 👍
yep , lots quote 1.2 , really i need something that quotes 1.5 , to allow for the exaggeration factor , oh how i envy those who work in alloy lol
Well done again Trev, That offset tip has explained why my shrinker is not working as it should, wish you could help me finish the skinning on my 1930 Sunbeam
Great work, impressing. Love your videos.
do you have the link for this on the british ebay? i've been searching for it with no luck
Thanks again Trev, another very good blog. I have a job on my Alfasud/Sprint where that will come in useful. I need to make the corners that attach to the rear valance, very tricky.
Great piece of machinery that, I have one just like that and it is really fun.
I hope you have seen lazze metal shaping here on CZcams, great tips and tricks.
Another great video Trev, really looking forward to the Tig setup video as I have an old industrial machine that looks a fantastic bit of kit but I am not sure how to get it set up. Another donation coming when I can and love the hammer I bought from you!
Great stuff!!! Already looking forward to the TIG episode. Have done MIG for 30 odd years and now I'm going for TIG. Unsure of DC or splurge on ACDC for the aluminium ability.
i wondered what the big blue machine was in earlier videos
Good review Trev, looks like a decent tool. Happy trails, Doug
Great video. You explain the process so well. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Hey Trev, how about a shot bag and nylon hammer for forming those large flat sheet bends? Would like to see you compare techniques between the shrinker vs hammer.
fj5gtx its an overlooked topic but if you’re using stretching principles to create the shape then you have to stretch 95% of the panel to leave the part you needed shrunk, using this machine meant that I only shrunk the area that needed it. Cheers Trev 👍
Большое спасибо , очень полезно для многих мастеров.
I have the same one i just use it for flanges my customers hate the marks so I welded files on the shrinking heads to mark the material less it works well. also eckold sell new stimpled heads that work amazing there in England aswell think there around 200 pounds
That's a nice tool . Makes light work of odd shapes .
Its a great tool,can do so much. I have the slightly larger 8" version which is good but has a flaw in that the bigger jaws really scar up the job if you try to push the limits of what it can do. I have converted it to an air ram and a foot pedal, anything for an easy life!
Got to watch for thinning and tearing on the outside of the curve if stretching too far.
Andrew Wilson thanks buddy I’m kind of leaning towards putting up with surface imperfections over the the benefit of being able to create the shapes it does, we all like to see things looking perfect and I’m certainly guilty of that! but I feel like we’re all getting a bit carried away especially if we’re going to paint over it anyway. I’ve been noticing more and more just lately that things weren’t as good as we think they were. When I bare back to the original coach work on a hand built car the welds are normally quite visible with quite a bit of undercut and the surrounding panel work is often quite wobbly. The whole car has since been skinned in filler to make it look perfect which alters our perception of what things should look like... if you get where I’m coming from? Cheers Trev 👍
This is craftsmanship at its best; good on you mate.
Could you possibly share a link where one could buy the same machine you're using? been struggling in sourcing a reasonable roller, and the one you're using here is just what the doctor ordered!
worldentropy the company don’t have stock currently. The best thing to do is have saved searches on eBay and then it’s a waiting game to see what gets listed. Cheers Trev 👍
I really like how this tool can used.
Hi Trev, I have a small channel where I'm building a cafe racer with my mate and we want to make the seat hump out of steel sheet. I have g normal shrinker stretcher and am. Thinking of making a deep throat body for it and reusing the Jaws on it so I can just swap between the two. Obviously the guard will need to change as well so t he Jaws can be separated. Would this work as without and English wheel I'm getting stuck for ideas on how to do it... It's going to need to be a compound curve as you've done here and go a full 180 degrees. Is that possible on a deep throat shrinker stretcher using 1.5 mm cold rolled steel?
Quick Bikes this tool would make the shape you’re after I would have thought? but I haven’t seen exactly what you want to do... I’m not sure why you want to make it out of 1.5mm thick steel unless you’re going to sit on it? But if you were you could always but a strengthener from behind although the manufacturer states you can use it on thicker steel than 0.9mm (from memory 1.2mm) I cannot see it working on 1.5mm, that is extremely thick when talking about panel manufacturing. Modern cars are only 0.7mm thick on outer skin panels. Cheers Trev 👍
Wonderful video’s Trev! Watching them all as time permits. Would love to see you replicate a petrol tank for the Nash/Austin Metropolitan! There are NO replacement tanks available, nobody’s building any for sale. I saw the green van you rebuilt. The rust damage.Amazing! I believe you can build anything! Please consider! Thanks. BKM., Tennessee, USA.
great video as always Trev.
Trev. Last week I almost thought I have to buy the Metz shrinker stretcher. But I wasn't sure how it works and how reliable the results are. Thank you for sharing.
Another quality video Trev, what about using Urchfabs method of bolting down the tube bender with the plates cut out on the plasma cutter? Would solve the storage issue and be plenty strong 👍
Your videos are top notch 👌
Great video Trev I bet you wanted too say now I will do a bit of Tucking then will go back to shrinker, just to stop sweating.
yep i was gettin impressed lol love the channel thanks for the videos
Why don’t you have a word with Matt Urch, he’s got a quick release floor mount jobbie he made on his plasma table. He may share the setup file for yours?
I've had a few deep throat jobs that the jaws had locked together, holding the end of my work piece trapped, noticed I've you thrust the work piece further in, the jaws dislodge, something about a gag reflex........
Hi Trev works really good well impressed with it will look into something like that. Great
I thought you were getting a bench/vice mounted one. That's a great piece of kit. I have a window surround to do soon too.. Thanks for sharing and teaching.
It comes like this style. I don't know anyone selling it as bench/vice.
@@samr1275 metz do a smaller one without the stand that can be vice mounted, certainly in the standard shrinker stretcher same as their English wheels, the smallest is vice mounted and the next size up are on stands like trev has and theres a bigger one with a full on like table stand, multiple legs and mounts for the shrinker stretcher and English wheel.
Great tutorial Trev, many thanks. You mentioned planishing the marks out of the worked panel. Could you explain that process and how you would achieve that. Thanks, Peter.
Great piece of kit.
another fantastic video Trev! my stretcher shrinker is not deep throat, so I may need to review further my toolbox! oh no!!
And the answer to this weeks quiz question is Linda Lovelace. Ok, I know there wasn’t really a question, but I’m desperate to win one of Trevs cool hammers.
Thanks Trev great video
Thank you.
Amazing - as usual.
Can we have an update on the bus please?
Nice work 👍
Very nice, I just order one today, but not with pedal, with handshaft, because i'm in whellchair and can't use my legs. And I order it from Vevor Great Britain! :-)
Sounds interesting, I hope you find it useful 👍
Really really really impressed with that.
bom dia como se chama esta ferramenta
Portugues br - Ei Trevor, Roberto Elias, Brasil, manda um forte abraço para você, (não sou gay) venho aprendendo muito com seus videos, sou desenvolvedor de sistemas e tenho um chevette 78 (BR) e um Opel Kadett 67 Kiemen Coupe nos quaos eu trabalho nas horas vagas.
Voce deixará um legado com seus ensinos.
Now I want to sell off my standard shrinker stretcher and get a deep throat version.
My exact thought!!! It's like there's always a new tool we need!!! Keep Rocking!!!
Don’t sell it. Add to the arsenal. You will need the standard S/S for precise metalwork.
@@rockerpat1085 I wish tools weren't so damned expensive. Im slowly building my tool kit for metal fabrication, almost nothing starts at under 1000 these days
It could certainly do with a larger floor support. You are having your work cut out to stop it from falling over sometimes. So either, BOLT it to the floor, OR, bolt it to a large 600mm x 600mm piece of 12mm plywood ?
That's quite a machine. In addition to moving metal it allows you to work up a sweat.
Like you’re videos Trev but when are we going to see your van again?
You haven’t sold it have you?
Brilliant, thank you.
Muy buena herramienta , hermosos trabajos amigo !
Yes I’m
Trev, would an English wheel on those panels after shrinking make them look factory of sorts?
Nice job
Love it looks like a Parrot Head how well does it work.
Looks like your doing more work than the tool...
It really needed bolting down before I made the video, but I made the video and didn’t just put it off until the perfect day (which never arrives in my world) works as well as shown in the video, without the tool it would be impossible to shrink in this way. Cheers Trev 👍
@@trevsblog I was thinking of the hand held ones from princess auto shrinker & stretcher cheep but at my age now not doing as much as used to if I had a bigger garage I would do a little more...
@@peterrivney552 it depends on what you want to do. What you’ve got to take into account is that this tool will go in around 4” so you can vastly change the shape of a flat piece of metal. If you were just wanting to shrink an edge then a shallow shrinker will work just great 👍
Sweet! I never seriously thought I would want to shape metal. Now...?
I gotta get myself one of those someday! Wow
You seem really happy. I looked for this on eBay, and it wasn’t there. They did have a much more expensive head, by itself. Maybe it’s just on eBay in the UK?
Mel Gross I believe they only sell in the uk and it’s out of stock here currently.
That’s too bad. What you did with it was very illuminating. You “English Wheeled” your way with it. Very impressive.
Ah ha! I found it. It’s under the Jet brand here in the States.
Can you post a link to buy this product? Please...
When you fast forward the video looks like me in the old 70s friday night on the gas
Wow Trev, Brilliant video again.
Uri Geller has nothing on you when it comes to bending metal now. Does it do spoons lol?
I need to get myself one of those, I too can see the possibilities. I would love to see you show us how you would planish out the stretch lines. I know you've covered tucks but I would imagine the technique for those would be slightly different? Would the metal want to stretch out again?
Tony Dalton I wouldn’t be able to get rid of some of those lines but I believe the advantages outweigh some surface marks. Cheers Trev 👍
.9mm = 20 gauge :)
Trev, whats your opinion on under body sprays, sealants, rubber applicants etc? My car is looking a little like it needs some tlc on the underneath and a firm believer of prevention vs cure!!!
ifell3 I think perhaps the best kind are epoxy type like rustbuster, but you really need to prep properly before application. Cheers Trev 👍
@@trevsblog Brilliant thanks, i take it you will be uploading a video shortly then on proper prep hahahahahaha
Awesome 👍🏾👍🏾
.9mm thats around 20 guage for those of us in the US
My girl just asked me what I was watching. I said it was a tool for deep throat stretching. She just laughed at me and said I couldn't even reach the tonsils then left the room.
😂🤣
Haven't seen it yet but it's going to be a great vid with a title like that absolutely awesome
I would like to see you smooth out the curves after you've stretched the metal. You are very skilled.
Be nice to get those planished out, is that something you could do with a hammer and dolly or would you go for a pneumatic set up for best results
Come a long way from the dished stump and forming hammer and wheel
I did an eBay search Trev....no luck, odd
Boxcar's Garage you’re in the States aren’t you? It’ll be on eBay uk. I’m not sure if they do worldwide shipping and it’s very heavy too. Cheers Trev 👍
Check amazon for metz tools. They have some there also they look fairly similar to the harbour freight stuff at least the two English wheels metz make look like the HF stuff
Impressive.
i recommend getting a 2" orbital sander to take out the marks made by the dies.
czcams.com/video/IgS_zWdZz5g/video.html (skip to ~10:00 and then to ~23:30)
czcams.com/video/5icPULVErlE/video.html
I want to know which the best brand Mig welding ?
Mhamed Smati for car repairs and also for use on thicker materials this is a cracking welder at a fair price. www.r-techwelding.co.uk/mig-welder-r-tech-i-mig180/?SID=52fbfd0e2391a05989366cefe1ecaee1
Cheers Trev 👍
Hi Trev! I'm going to get an 8" single moving jaw model from Metz. Could it do the same smooth job as you've done with the dual moving jaws model?
Ilya Pekelny the 8” model as in the one for sale on eBay should work ok but maybe not as well. The jaws are two piece, the principle is the same but the jaws have a bent sheet of metal around them holding them together and the springs in place. I specifically went for the one I bought because the jaws seem more robust and you can remove the jaws with just one simple cap bolt, the other type is the same as we have at work and it can be a faff changing the jaws over. The other issue is the hand operated machines use up one of your hands, with the foot operated machine you can use both hands and apply much more force by foot. On the plus side it’s been made with an 8” throat which means it’ll be good for deeper applications like the ones I’ve shown in the video. Cheers Trev 👍
@@trevsblog , thank you for the extensive response! I decided to give it a go since it could be worth it with some modifications.
Ilya Pekelny I’m sure that it’ll be a hugely useful tool. 👍
That's a nice bit of kit, is that one of the bigger ones they sell that's around the £700 mark. Iv been looking at metz tools, how are their English wheels? I know the vice mounted one has issues but the ones with the stand that they sell on a large mount with the stretchers for like 1500?
Jediknight 129 I’m not sure what their English wheels are like but you do tend to get what you pay for. This machine was an excellent buy but certainly not the best as far a high end quality is concerned.