Evolution of Jamaat e Islami
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- Jamaat e Islami Hind supports secularism in India. Why?
See how JI has undergone a radical change in the last 80 years: From rejection of democracy to becoming a champion of democracy. How and why did this transformation occur?
Reference: Ahmed, Irfan “The Indian Jama‘at-i Islami Reconsiders Secular Democracy “ in Islam in South Asia, Princeton University Press 2009.
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The main criticism regarding this issue by non Muslims is this issue- when Muslims are in a majority state, they want islamic sharia law and not secularism. But the Muslims in minority state demand for secularism and freedom of practicing religion. This hypocrisy has to be pointed out and has to be debated. How can you cheer for a taliban govt in afg and enjoy secularism in India. And how can you argue against hindutva fascists if they demand India to be a hindu country.?
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I totally second you on that and partly disagree with @taimur_laal k JI hind kisi historical development ki wja sy change hui when infact they changed only because their sirvival in india was attched with it. Isi JI hind ko ap majority muslim india mei ly jai inko phr shahriah ka bukhaar char jai ga.
Exactly, Islamists tend to be very opportunistic.
This needs to be pinned ❤
Times are changing. You are gonna prove wrong in the long run.
While for hindu county, if someone is making a mistake and is not willing to listen to others, then let him do it.
Pakistan learned it the hard way through inhumane dictator Zia Ul Haq.
Modudi was somehow right about those political parties because Parties like ML and others were mostly dominated by feudal lords and they were just doing politics in the name of islam
one of the best video SIR G. we expect more such a videos
Plz make a video on how Jamat e Islami and Jamiat e Talba Pakistan is better than other parties in pakistan.
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IJT is doing great in University ❤
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Great topic bro🥰🥰😉😉
Thanks. Timely and appropriate observation.
Thanks for videos
Sir your analysis according to your knowledge is very nice but you couldn't get the real point why jamat e islami Pak adopted democracy, I don't know for India..
For Pakistan's democracy sovereignty belongs to Allah Almighty and people are only to exercise their authorities according to His orders. This makes it permissible in contrast to other democracies where public is the authority can't be challenged which is equivalent to shirk... So any participation in that is prohibited...
Plz do Respond to it if u already know this difference with reasons...
Maududi put an embargo that highest posts are reserved for Muslims only. Non Muslims shall be protected dhimmi.
شریعت میں ایک اصول یے " احوال کی تدیلی سے احکام میں تبدیلی لازمی و لابدی ہے"
*Jamate Islami ke piche word "HIND" hai tabhi wo secular hai or secularism ki tarafdari karti hai warna nahi hota.*
Western Democracy is absolutely kufr, but JI is based on Islamic Democracy where sovereignty belongs to Allah known as Islamic Democracy. Please clear your concepts before sharing your pov.
Sir i think jamat Islami sirf Islamic democracy ki bat krte he... Baqi agr apne kahen se study ki he to kindly us book ka reference den plx ...
Very effective
Jumat e islame Wahid munazzam jumat hei jo secularism and liberalism dono ki hamio walo ko fikre takr de rahy hei
I hope Dr. Taimur you read my comment and might find a new topic for your video.
The concept of Democracy will always remain alien to Muslims. The Ulemas may repeatedly quote about the Rashidun Caliphate, but in reality do the opposite. The mindset of the Ulemas is full of imperialistic thought and therefore influences the common Muslim as well. The concept of democracy, no matter what the Ulemas say, was practically first implemented by the Greeks. Soon after, the Romans, Carthaginians, and other Mediterranean nations follow suit. Almost 2000 years ago people mostly lived in tribal confederations. Those confederations were democratic in nature.
The real tragedy with Islamic thought is that its development occurred in the Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimids, Ayyubids, Ottomans, Safavid, and Mughal periods. A time period of pure Islamic Imperialism. The Rashidun Caliphate and its good things were foreshadowed by the Sultans and Shahs of these new empires and kingdoms. When European exploration started in mid 15th century, Islamic Thought was no more innovative and progressive. We were not producing enough scholarship to combat Western Thought. We were busy contesting and conquering new territories, fighting over slaves, gold, and land. The last major intellect the Islamic Thought produced was Ibn-i-Khaldun. We became more and more enclaved in the work already done before. We became more rigid, indulged ourselves in the luxuries of life, delved into a superiority complex, and made our beliefs that we are chosen one, we will never be conquered (mentally or physically) by any other nation of the world.
These ill-faiths that I have mentioned above, we are still latching onto them. When Islamic Imperialism declined and Western Imperial powers took hold of their land and their blood, the Islamic thought crumbled before the Western thought. The Enlightenment of the West was no match for any other ideology of the time. Even our very modern nation, Pakistan, is directly a result of enlightenment.
Now the real solution to our problem is that, first we have to admit that we are far behind the West. We need to revitalize our Islamic Thought in the same fashion the Europeans did in the Renaissance. We have to work with the Modern thought. We need to take the good from them and leave the bad. We need to take the good elements of Secularism, Liberalism, Democracy, Socialism, Modernism, and Post-modernism and leave the bad. We need to be rational in our behaviors and tolerant in our approach. We should learn to respect the differences of opinion and work with that frame of reference. We have to forget our imperialistic mindset and truly embrace the values of tolerance and freedom of expression.
Lastly, my humble opinion on Pakistani Democracy is that it's flawed to the core. People make the democracy. The people of Pakistan are troubled by two different worlds. We have to make our mindset democratic. We have to leave our imperial past behind and accept that representation of people, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, and power-sharing will lead us to a better future. The reason for the flaw is that we have two contradictory values clashing with each other and we don't know how to resolve them. The contradiction I have most issues with is that "How can an assembly of men decide that Sovereignty belongs to Allah? " This statement itself is flawed. No matter what a man says, whether he believes in the sovereignty of Allah or not, Allah was, is, and will always be sovereign. The people need to act responsibly. The power belongs to the people. They should make laws and rules that will not contradict the Sharia and that's the only thing required. The absurd legal gibberish is useless. If the base of the structure is defective, the whole structure will be either defective or defunct.
Peace.
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Taumur Sahib buhat Aala
Jamat e islami s behavior = meetha meetha huf huf krwa krwa thoo thoo 😂
Sir could you please provide any example of the monist sovereignty in modern nation state system
well, there are two things, first is the difference b/w the democracy that jamaat describes and what the west describes. Second is the issue of JIH embracing secularism in India which is logical as the countrys founding principle consisted of it.
Also both these terms are just new word but thier meaning and their explanation coincides with Islams defintion of Khilafa which works through Shura.i.e Parliament and Democracy whose prime example is hazrat umar who was a shephard but rose to be the person who conquered Jerusalem and Persia aswell.
The differencea are there but Islam presents them in a better way and solves the predecessing issues. So I think there is no point in talking about this topic because these terms merely coincide and are not same.
Lastly, Look at the internal politics of both Jammat e Islami Pakistan, Hind and Bangladesh, they are same, not on the principals of democracy but on the principles of khilafa, which gets merely compared to democracy because of their few intervining points.
Dear prof , please make a series of videos about sir Karl popper . His early works before he moved out of his country are most edifying .
After he moved to New Zealand and Britain he might have changed his entire ideology (on paper) to get a safe exit by western world. unless he supports their scientific scams western world does not give a platform to anyone . The fact that he got the title “sir” makes him suspect. He was noticed for his skills but he was commissioned to use his skill to fool people .
it would be informative
-to understand and the nitty gritty of his early work in itself.
-how he changed his tune after he moved to New Zealand and then To Britain will be very educational becuz it will show us how highly accomplished thinkers and scientists are high jacked into making useless fake science look reasonable. Popper literally was all about demarcating pseudo science from science but looks like he changed his thesis later .
Sure. Soon.
Wah dil khush hogya ❤
Ap battaen gy book k reference I want to study
اس کے پااس ایسا کوئی ریفرنس نہیں ہے محض اخباروں کے تراشے پڑھ رہا جو پیپلز پارٹی نے اس دوران جھوٹے سیاسی مخالفت میں چھاپے تھے۔ باقی چار باتیں جو صحیح بھی کہیں ہیں وہ بھی جان بوجھ کر گڈ مڈ کر رہا ہے
Manifesto hai is partiyon ka
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Dr Taimur Rahman is a well read person and is a gem. He has read thousands of books and journals and columns. I salute the research work of Dr Taimur Rahman. However, the stance of Jamaal e Islami Pakistan has been that it did not oppose the division of Great India but they did oppose the division of Muslims. I have not read books and I have not done any research in the historical facts but I hear that JI was opposing the division of the Muslims of India.
Jamat-e-Islami was never in the favor of Pakistan dear.
Nice sir ❤
Wow
jamat aj kal kafi tazi se grow ho ryi he Taimur bhi sai time ty video upload kr rye ho 😜
tusi tension na lo idr wali jamat b kush nai khe gi ❣
Great ji
Would you be able to discriminate between theory and practice. You were advocating Marx, Lenin, Mao in the same perspective
Make A Video On Rahimia Institute Of Quranic Sciences
Sir mutazalite next episode?
Same here
I'm in the comment section to request the same. 😅
Mu'tazili next episode please
🚩 Laal ji I'm waiting…
Would you please be able to quote references about "kafirana" " Na Pakistan"
References are provided in the presentation. Please look carefully.
Sir, JI ke leader ki tasweer bhi tabdeel kar lijiye
Jamat e islami has emerged solely as a democratic party in recent years.
Amruhum shoora bainahum!, democracy suggested by islam
What is your source?
The information looks highly fabricated. What is your source??
Raja shb's new rant video incoming in 3 2 1....
Islam aaj tak kisi ko samajh hi nahi paya. Ek aasmani kitab ko samjhne ke liye billions book likh di gayi hein.
Assalamualaikum.
Sir Islamic Teaching, hmein saara religions sa acha salook krna ka khhti hein.
Quid na bhi yahi kaha ka Pakistan mein saara Religions ko equal rights mlein ga.
Secularism bhi almost yahi ha, than whats wrong in secularism?
secularism is a Termites, jo hume si bolta hai country ka law ko first priority mili gi aapka religion ose support kare yaa na kare that's means aagar shria law not fit on that but you follow your country law, Means secularism first your religion last
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Religion is a individual personal matter, it has nothing to do with state, state ksi pa law impose nhi kr skti or na ksi sa religion practice krna ka haw la skti ha, agr ksi ko religion follow krna ha to woh ksi dosra religion k country mein rah kr bhi kr skta ha, agr nhi krna to phr nhi krna jk mrzi kr la state.
back in time Islamization ka bht shoor Howa tha usi time pa bht sa loogon na namaz ko just is lya choor dya tha ka ya un ka loogon ka personal matter ha and state has nothing to do with it.
Secularism is just separation of religion card from politics, religion ka naam pr politicians ka apna political choran baachna mazhab card hota ha or secularism isi ka against h.
There's no direct evidence about Misaq Madina, it's just included to satisfy others.
Quran is Jaamayul Ul Umam and having all universal realities given by Wehee and accepts all realities discovered by any person any Nation belonging to any religion any philosophy and any field of life. The Muslims have no Monopoly over Quran and it is the book of humanity
اس وقت کی سیاق و سباق پر صحیح فیصلہ کیاتھا، آج کے حالات میں وہ فیصلہ صحیح نہیں ۔
Agr purana muqaf chupana hota to apne literature s khatam kardete hamaray ha abhi abhi past k faislo par discussion hoti h koi or na ham mudodi par critic Karte h us time m unke decision sahi the or aj k halat Alag h.
Another thing is that yes, Islam is a pioneer of democracy but there is a huge difference between islamic democracy and western democracy. In the JI Ameer election process is very much different than traditional democracy and i know you know that difference. Please present whole concept not partial that lead to confuse common people. You are gem, professor and responsible citizen of a country.
Islamic democracy koi chz nhe ha yh bs chawal ha jo mari jati ha
Apne kayi baton ki interpretation ghalat ki hai. Or ye kahna bhi ghalat hai jamat ka nuqta e naxar change ho chuka hai. Islam ka or jamat ka nuqta e nazar wohi hai jo 14so saal pahle Allah k Rasool SAW ne hm tak phnchaya. Bat sirf itni hai k waqt or halat k taghayur ko samajh kar islami taleemat ko apnana aik aqalmandi or progressive soch hone ki daleel hai. Pakistan k aj k maroozi halat ka andar jamhoriat ki gunjaish nikali gai hai jo k haram nhi hai or bilkul ain deen k mutabiq bhi nhi hai. Jahan tak bar hai JI Hind ki to wahan k maroozi halat bilkul alag hain wahan musalman minority main hain. Please think logically.
Matlb Islam geography to geography badalta rhta ha??
Matlb ap khna cha rhy... Islam geography to geography change huta rhta ha🤔🤔
Sir, Please make a video on Maoism.
I feel sad when some scholar like You quote mistruths so bluntly against others just to make his point. You may and even I differ with Maududi on different opinions but it doesn't mean to cross the limits of morality and even in some cases by law. You are misquoting him without any context. You should listen Maududi,s radio interview aired in 1955. Feel really sad.
There is no misquotation at all. The citations are also provided.
A blind follower got offended
مولانا مودودی جمہوریت کے مخالف تھے کیونکہ جمہوریت سے اسلام مخالف کوئی بھی قانون پاس ہو سکتا ہے پارلیمنٹ میں،،،، قرار دادِ مقاصد کے بعد الیکشن میں حصہ لیا اور جمہوریت کی حمایت کی کیونکہ اب جمہوریت سے اسلام مخالف قانون پاس نہیں ہوگا بلکہ اسلام کے دائرہ میں جمہوریت ہوگی،،، تو اس میں کہا مسئلہ ہے؟
That reasoning was applied retroactively as Objectives Resolution was passed in 1949.
Muddi was the first person caused first Marshal Law in Pakistan
JI does not consider it halal to participate in any political system where sovereignty does not belong to Allah. Neither in the past and not now. So there is no change/evolution in their position. Ever heard something about Objectives resolution? Sorry but your arguments are dishonest and overlook basic historical facts. Also JI did not oppose, in principal, the idea of Pakistan (Two nation theory) or even the breakup of the country. What Maulana Mawdudi criticized, was that, the Muslim League had taken the form of a Muslim nationalist party with which he strongly disagreed.
Boss. We Muslims believe God is all powerful. Where in this universe does sovereignty not belong to him?
@@Taimur_Laal So now you change the subject. Nice!
Ustd e mohtaram! Aap ki chekhain qq niklatli Hain...😮
Jamaat e islami must sue you for miss quoting molana modudi
Hh he didn't misquoted molana he said so much stuff like this
Out of context quotes, he was not against democracy neither voting ,bur it was confined to the colonial rule elections and elections held in secular states
Please provide quotation or citation from early writings of Maududi to prove your claim.
Bhai Sahab ab waqt hai apni generation ko educate karnay ka. 75 saal say Army generals aur corrupt leaders nay Pakistan ko loota. Aur 80% Pakistani awam Jahil hai. Puray Pakistan may class-1 to 10 standard, compulsory aur Free education dena hukumat ki zimmedaari hai. Aur har pakistani ko free health service aur treatment dena ye bhi hukumat ki zimmedari . Puri Qaum ko jagana aur revolution laana aap educated logon ki zimmedaari hai. Pakistani Utube par bohat librals aarahay hain. Aap sab milker inquilab laa saktay ho. Mulk aur Qaum ka weqaar education say hota hai. Agar Sar may dard ho to Ghutnay ka Ilaaj nahi kartay. Aqalmand ko Ishara kaafi hota hai.
In your site, if Bacha khan differs with Muslim league, he is champion and if Maududi criticizes Muslim league, he is ignorant. I am not saying Maududi was right or wrong. I am just sensing your double standards of judgement.
I didn't say anyone was champion or ignorant. I'm just stating the facts. Both Bacha Khan and Maududi opposed creation of Pakistan.
I don’t know if tamur lal is spreading misinformation on purpose or not …
CORRECTION: Mududi shb said all those things about LIBERAL DEMOCRACY NOT ISLAMIC DEMOCRACY… liberal democracy is haram and almost all scholar agree on it including EMAM……
many things of madudi are taken out of context or not understood properly
at a certain point, especially when you analyse from a class perspective, there is not a lot of difference between a bourgeois liberal democracy wearing the mask of the roman republic and an islamic liberal democracy wearing the mask of the caliphate, yet bowing down to the interests of the bourgeoisie.
Islamic democracy is like Islamic banking. Banking is kufr till you add Islam in front of banking.
@@Taimur_LaalExactly Sir! adding the name of Islam makes a big difference as it means Islamic banking won’t have interest and would be bound to islamic ruling
SIMILARLY islamic democracy means public couldn’t decide haram or halal (like legality of homosexuality, adultry etc..) by voting or referendums… and follow boundaries of islam (not my opinion its a fact)
maybe in your next podcast that's something you should say to your appeaser EMAM, who coined the term 'Islamic secularism'.@@Taimur_Laal
پروفیسر صاحب عوام کو گمراہ کر رہے ھیں کو ئ جماعت اسلامی کے فلسفے کو سمجھنا چاہتا ھے تو کسی جماعتی دانشور سے سمجھے ۔جماعت جمہوریت کو نہیں اسلامی جمہوریت کی تعریف کرتی ھے اور دونوں نظریات میں زمین آسمان کا فرق ھے
Totally misinterpreted lecture without evidences.
And what is your evidence? My sources are on the screen.
@@Taimur_Laal You haven't given any proper references. And reading the content from Jih website and imposing on Jip. You are just bashing words and spreading misinformation. It's a humble request to you that first read Molana Moudodi's books and then give your analysis on Jamaat e Islami and Molana Moudodi.
@@ammargaming0990 please listen again carefully. I never said JIP has embraced secularism. Only that JIH has embraced it.
Apparently, you cannot even follow a 16m lecture properly.
Reference: Ahmed, Irfan “The Indian Jama‘at-i Islami Reconsiders Secular Democracy “ in Islam in South Asia, Princeton University Press 2009.
Jamaat e hypocrisy
and furthermore Maududi had already promulgated the idea of partition in 1937 in his book "Muslman and Maujuda Siysi Kashmakash". He was not against idea of division rather he was against the idea of system to be established in Pakistan for which I am sure You are also struggling. You just want some other system he wanted some other system. Does it make him a villain in Pakistani politics ? Then what about yourself
I am again clarifying that I am not saying to establish his system.
I am trying to figure out some rational criticism on Maududi by You.
Promulgated means to promote or make widely known (an idea or cause). Maududi never promoted the idea of partition. That is simply historically incorrect. In fact, he argued that nationalism was against Islam.
Not so Good you describe .your video are divided step by step in such your taking some time Modudia , Secularism .Demecory jamat islami Pak ,Jamat islami ind.
Can not be agree with you any evidence.
Maududi simply had different point of view about political system to be implemented in Muslim majority areas. but You have kept mentioning again and again his criticism on Muslim league like he was doing some sin.
I only mention it again and again because JI keeps denying it. It is part of history. Own up to it.
Qaiser Raja crying 😭 in corner
Agree, lekin he will still make a video to get attention
Aap political and cultural secularism aur constitutional secularism ko mix kar rahe ho l correct yourself
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2nd. stupid comment
بڑے افوس کی بات ہے جمہوریت پر سادہ سا موقف اتنا گھما کر بیان کیا
Shayad aap jamaat e Islami ki new revolutionary leadership se ghabrakar defame karna chahte ho
I haven't even spoken about the current leadership.
he was not against democracy study his concept of theo democracy
I have. It evolved later as explained in the video.
@@Taimur_Laal It mean he was not completely against democracy
@@saudahmad9714 it was a good change. I support it.
Islam Zindabad
liberal mrdabad
lanat un sb pr jo Pakistan ko secular rakhna chahtay hain.
Aree bhai trigger kyu hogye or Pakistan secular kab se hogya ??
پروفیسر صاحب کسی بھی کتاب یا تحریر کا حوالہ دئے بغیر گفتگو کر رہے ھیں جو کہ بڑی علمی بددیانتی ھے
Please look at text carefully. All references are provided under the quotation.
Accha manipulate karte ho 😂😂😂
You said that we should be intellectually honest ? While you yourself are the most dishonest person intellectually.
Ask your opponents and they will explain.
awaiting @engineermuhammadalimirza sb's comments on this.
taimur sahib... marx germany mein tha... aap pakistan mein hain... a normal amjad or ali doesn't even understand the gobbledygook of these thinkers dude. If you're so interested in this stuff... go do it somehwere where it's acceptable or atl east understandable... your movement is alien to pakistan and has nothing to do with it... LUMS is one of the most prestigious unis in pak and is a place where the elite "bourgeoise" send their kids to study... champagne socialism or what?
A great man once said that we should acquire knowledge even if we have to go to China. Such was his love of wisdom. Learn from that.