Honda Civic Type R review - the best hot hatch on sale? | Autocar
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- The last Honda Civic Type R was an absolutely fantastic car - it was fast, made a good noise and was great fun to drive.
This new car is slightly different on paper. It’s larger, with a longer wheelbase and a wider track, as well as being nearly 30kg heavier than its predecessor.
However, power is up to 325bhp, thanks to an upgraded version of the 2.0-litre turbocharged engine with a lighter flywheel, increased air intake capacity and a freer-flowing exhaust.
All that sounds great on paper, but does it translate onto the tarmac? Join Matt Prior as he tries it on both the road and the track to find out.
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Matt Prior is one of the best reviewers. I cannot see why they don’t get multiple more views than they do. He is amazing. 👌🏼
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Our 2002 CTR was £15,999! That was a bargain at the time. £46,000 is a serious price tag and will put people off it. A shame
Great review and awesome (but very large) hot hatch BUT - It costs more than the new Golf R, nearly £50k. That was RS3 money only a couple years ago. Crazy.
PCP deals are gonna be 5-600 pounds/month. The Type R is not for the average car enthusiast any more. Makes the i30N seem like a bargain.
I like it but, it's nearly £50k before any dealer mark ups, I could buy another Porsche for that. I think the face lifted i30N would be 90% of what I'd need on the road from a hot hatch and I think that's what I'll buy.
this, exactly this 👆🏿
it makes me wonder how hyundai manage to make such a good balance of ev, hibrid and ice cars, thus allowing them to produce i20n, i30n and elantra n(which, unfortunately, you can't have it here in the EU)... while all the other manufacturers could not?!!
@@eugenux This is random by I was reading a few days about about the pops and cracks the i30N makes and it would seem that it's not just for show, it's an actual factory anti lag system, they use the combustion to keep the turbo spinning. As soon as I read that I thought "I think I want an i30N".
Go ahead and buy the Porsche then. No one’s stopping you
It’s always good to have so many choices.
Exactly this, i30N is what would 90% of owners would need to hoon around B roads
Always enjoy Matt Prior's reviews, thank you Matt.
Had a 2nd Gen 'R'... loved it, although watching the VTEC fuel drop was hilarious when the beans were given. The want on this one is high.
Nice to see Honda standing firm offering driver-focused cars against the silly rush to Thungerg’s electrification dead end.
Thanks for the review and covering the driver differences in the FK8 and this one. Can't wait to see the head-to-head comparisons with the latest generation hot hatches.
Yea AutoCar please keep this gentleman reviewing the cars. Eloquent and knows his stuff it seems. Love it
Awesome review. Honest and insightful.
46 grand. That's such a huge price rise from the previous generation.
Great review and another great video from yourself 👍🏼
Matt - love your work
Really like the look of this! Great view as always
Thumbs up and subscribed. What a car, the prices for everything are wild right... I really like the look of this car... Pocket says previous generation maybe more palatable. A fun, fast, well handling family car with a manual gearbox... Honda Type R. If the GR Corolla was being sold here... OMG....
Superb review by a superb reviewer!
Great review as usual Matt. Another great Type R we should cherish before electrification takes hold!
sythentic fuels next not tnhat electric rubbish
Priceless 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 the car looks amazing and I would love to own One. As soon as i get an opportunity to test one mi Self 😊
A truly brilliant car and much better than you may expect in the wet, which is all a shame as it is being priced into obscurity in many markets.
I think it's a sign that this car is not going to be made in huge numbers and I don't think it will be in production very long. Emissions regs will kill it off so well done to the big H for producing such a car for not a huge amount of return. Much of the body is also new which is done at great cost. In the US, dealers are demanding huge mark-ups so wherever it is sold it will sell out no problem. Who else is going to produce another hot hatch with an ICE and manual gearbox not to mention great steering feel and awesome brakes. It's just not going to happen so it is literally the last of its kind and it's fitting that the last is also the King. When Honda do things well, they stay done well.
@@AR-rs2dy in the us is 44k usd. here, in Europe, it is 55k without any option on it. Spec some lights and what not and you're close to 60k euro... for a civic. There is no justification for this price, not now, not ever.
@@eugenux Could not agree with you more @eugenux. The price is indeed unjustifiable, but the undeniable truth is that there are people out there who will pay these prices to get their hands on the vehicle. Honda know this.
I have the FK8 and it was the best balance of performance and price for me. I think the FL5 performance is only just keeping up with their equivalent rivals these days.
From a pure performance point of view, Honda barely managed to keep up. Lots talk about the DC2, DC5, EP9, FN2 etc Type Rs, but truthfully at the time the turbo charged competitors were walking all over the Hondas especially from a dig and even for speed and power, as a former DC2 owner I consistently got whipped. What Honda is masterful at is exciting the driver in us, if all you want to win at the lights, don’t get a Type R, if you appreciate driving and feeling the dynamics of a car then Hondas Type Rs are normally at the top of your list. I do hate the dealer inflated pricing like the next guy, from a base price considering the amount of changes and improvements over the base vehicle, the fact the it’s manufactured in Japan and the state of the world’s car manufacturing is in, it expensive but we’ll worth it. In the end, each to their own.
I enjoyed watching the Video Review. My favourite Hot Hatch Just even better 😊
Seems the probably final Honda Civic Type R -- is also the ultimate triumph of the line.
I strongly suspect, not least due to relatively few that shall exist - as emissions rules force Honda to offer only very limited numbers of this Type R for sales in Europe, that this Civic most likely to become a: Classic.
In other words, buying one would be 'good investment' - I mean, this model shall, appreciate in prices.
Even more so, once out of production, and not replaced -- except in indirect fashion, by future EV.
I'm saying, my anticipation is -- this is the final Type R. And ultimately evolves into a valuable possession.
The same size, weight and power as a 20 year old M3. But we're calling it a civic, so you think it's a little hot-hatch. The future!
@@VidNibsthey have the same wheelbase
@@VidNibs yet it’s 350 pounds lighter than an E46
@@VidNibs
FL5-3152
E46-3461
Civic is 309 pounds lighter than the E46 I was close with the 350 still way lighter than the M3 despite it being bigger
Great review as always. Any way to cajole SC into the other seat occasionally?
Cars this expensive should be given a new category cause hot hatches used to be affordable. Back in the day a hot hatch was mostly for the younger generation who hadn't got the highest paying jobs yet but could get a car which would make them feel like they could have a go at the more expensive cars on the road. Now, these hatches are the expensive cars on the road.
Today officially presented in belgium, starts at 55000 euro.... Ridiculous price increase, i bet they will sell almost none here.
You’re the best reviewer
You all realize that every reviewer who's reviewing this car is unable to say anything about bad about it without being shunned by Honda in future right?
I don't mean to say the car isn't great... But if it isn't... You're not going to hear that from anyone who has exclusive launch access.
I hope a Mugen version is in the pipeline. Not necessarily more power but a big reduction in weight by ditching rear seats, the A/C, less insulation, lightweight wheels and exhaust. Etc. Would be awesome.
Finally the embargo for the real automotive journalist has lifted
Influencers first?
Imagine what a modern take on the early 2000s Civic type R would look like? Nothing honda makes will surpass that in my mind.
In every metric this car runs circles around those. Why can't we move on? Those days are done.
Great review as always...
However i noticed two different colours in the review...
Why wasnt the red shown when driving on the public roads??
Every review thus far has been a white type r, u guys had a red type r and didnt show any external shots....
Is this 265 all round or just front tyres?
Great review.
But how much??
Clearly, Honda doesn’t give two Fs about the UK market.
They don't give a F about Australia market either from stupid Honda Australia. They've been jacking up the Price and detuning the Type R since 22 years ago. Only New Zealand have the least Markup from last Gen FK8 and closer to the Price sold in Japan.
My pcp runs out on my fk8 in January. I really don't think I'll go for the new one. I have a van for daily so I like the daft saying when I do use it, and, dynamics wise this one doesn't seem much different.
FOURTY SIX GRAND!!! they're are taking the micky with that price. Absolutely rediculous.
Please tell me you have the money for the balloon payment to buy it and then sell right away? The residuals have been so good on these that people who have purely leased them have blown their money while the lease company has made a killing.
@Alex Lee-Isted yeah I'm good mate. Traded in a 265 trophy so I'm currently about 10k in the green. Sub 16k miles. You interested? 😂
@@ChrisMisMYhandle haha nice. I would love one but got a DC5 as a weekend toy at the moment and don't want to get rid 😁
I wonder if the US cars are set up differently because their reviews tend to say the steering is not quite as good as before and a little devoid of feel.
A car should provide feedback regardless of the conditions not just in certain conditions.
I need one in my life but £46 big ones is a lot of moolah.
Unfortunately it’s the size of the Griswold Family station wagon so I’m not sure it’s a hot hatch, as well it’s priced w/ markup way beyond it’s value. Even MSRP at $45k is a reach by Honda, outside of that you’ve got a fun car.
Can it beat Renault Megane RS Trophy R time around thw Nurbugring? If answer I yes.. then its the best
46k for a CIVIC!
I am sure it’s an amazing drive but that is too much money for a Honda.
Far too much money, when you consider it's not all the different from the FK8.
As currencies are printed into oblivion, higher prices result.
It's hard for people to understand the great deception of government and central bank policy, but this cars price and all others is quite simply falling value of fiat currencies in real terms.
Thank QE, thank overspending, thank money printing, thank lock downs, thank government handouts , they all contributors to the So called Higher Prices.
Fwd masterpiece and probably the last Japanese lairy petrol car we'll have before pure voltage takes over! Embrace it whilst we can..
Good review but you sure do kick the arse out of the amount of ads you have to endure to watch it all! 🤬
How are you not using an AdBlock browser?
I know some will defend it but the recently announced UK price of £47000 is absolutely ridiculous. Don't care how good it is that price is outrageous.
Cannot wait for 2035.y so I can buy one.
What a FANTASTIC car 😍😍😍
after you ride on a bumpy mountain road in anger, come back and tell us how a stiffer suspension on a civic is the better way. I always get amused by commenters on youtube who never ever in their lives drove constantly with 100-120 mph on canyon roads on between the hills. Buuoy, this is not gran turismo on your PS5...this is real life..and in the real life, this car is massively overpriced(in europe) and too stiff to be used outside a track.
@@eugenux Never bought video games, maybe you're more expert than me 😉, but "only" Honda cars for over 30 years, which I'm enthusiastic about, if I commented it's because I like it, I haven't tried it yet. On the other hand, I drove "only" over the passes of the Alps and the Apennines, even with snow, in safety and fun, there are no canyons in my part, I'm so sorry...
Go ahead and have fun, you're so much lucky that so little is enough for you!!!; it's okay to have different ideas and tastes, but at least please try to learn to respect, and, allow me, politely, other people's judgments! After all we are mere mortals, I don't understand you are a world champion of any motor sport....
PS: you are right that its price in Europe will certainly be too high ; so when we will know how much it costs and we can try it, we will make all the necessary assessments.
Have a good day
@@eugenux Did you drive it? The type r is not overpriced. The a45s is 55k+ and people doesn't seem to mind. Tell me one good reason the type r is any less car than the amg?
@@isurumw6119at the end of the day it’s a Honda and not a Mercedes
@@ogloftus not a car guy are you? The brand name doesn't apply to these kind of vehicles. It's not like we're comparing a S class to a Honda Accord. Plus the a45 doesn't even have a bigger engine or much higher premium feel compared to the type r. In fact honda engines are far more reliable than any merc engine and those seats in the type r are just out of this world good. People assume that all honda vehicles should be cheap without considering what they are actually getting for that kind of money.
Great car as long as you close your eyes before you get in and after you get out 😎
Well done Honda...That interior is pure NSX Type R...just a pitty about the screen.
I agree. What exactly are you paying 50k for? Honda has never been a high end, quality brand. You pay for the awesome gearbox and engine. The reliability perhaps. But 50k? I can only imagine that Honda is pricing this car based on the popularity its older cars still have. The problem with new cars is that the technology ages badly. Older cars don't have that problem.
Unfortunately unless you're someone that must have the latest technology and looks, an older model is easily tuned to be just as fast and fun.
47 grand
!!!!!!!
47k….. as much as I want, I can’t justify 😫
Too expensive. It should be priced more in line with the golf clubsport. Shame as I was interested in this but not at that starting price!
5.6 secs 0-60 for a 46k car is quite slow isn’t it? A35s r a second quicker aren’t they n only around 35k now
Not a hatchback!
Two many doors....it's a sedan with the rear window glued to the trunk lid.
FORTY SEVEN GRAND. Who in their right mind can afford that nowadays? I'm in a pretty well paid job but thanks to inflation and government incompetence, my disposable income has shrunk significantly. There's absolutely no way I can afford anything like that.
The type r ethos used to be 'fun and affordable' now it seems to be ridiculously extreme and and ridiculously expensive.
This or GR Corolla?
New civic needed dct gbox variant.. 2023 common
I'm very excited abou this car but ohmygod the sound in the cabin is AWFUL. Why do they do it unless they can do it properly? This sound like whining instead of engine noise.
estoril?
Yap
Still a hatch back?... As big as a three's series.
£47,000 for 1. A Honda and 2. A Civic. Car prices have gone insane, I really hope people see sense and vote with their wallet and not buy them. All OEMs are just getting greedy, charging more for the cars and increasing the interest on the finance too!
What makes it worse is it is £30k in Japan. We have been fully shafted.
Nonsense. You forget that there is competition among car companies. If one makes their car overpriced, another one will use that opportunity, selling a cheaper car. Cars get more expensive because they offer more, they have to meet more legal requirements etc.
It is a great Hot Hatch but very priceyI can by a muscle car for much less.
great car, but it looks so ordinary ?
Does not look like a sportscar, my opinion
Type R Vs Alpine Vs Supra 2.0
I’m sure it’s a mega car but near on £50k …. It’s not even a hot hatch, more like a hot saloon
10:50 of course there is, you can just not buy it. Is ridiculous the price of this car. Between not making the Type-R at all or making out of reach of 90% of the brand, model and segment enthusiasts, i don't know what is worst...
GR Yaris all day
€78000 in The Netherlands.
Why would Honda not make this AWD?
Because its a drivers car - not an automatic appliance for noobs
@@TheFK8Life drivers cars are RWD
@@albertogonzalez1746 Who told you that? Ever heard of hot hatches, i.e. Integra Type R? The reason they kept FWD is to save weight. This thing understeers less than most AWD cars as a result.
@@gt7984 FWD is not how sporty cars are supposed to be designed. FWD is a cheap work around and would not consider a FWD car a drivers car. Even the Toyota GR86 is RWD for a reason. Let the front wheels only be responsible for steering and let the back wheels put the power down.
@@albertogonzalez1746 lmfao Meanehile the 2017 Type R lapped faster than a 2016 Porsche GT4 Cayman
Youre just ignorant and probably drive an automatic lol
Better than an A45S? I think not, better than RS3? I think not, better than a GR Yaris/Corolla? I think not. A FWD car that struggles for traction in the wet and can't launch off the line should not even enter the discussion of being the best hot hatch of all time. It's only real strength is it's laptimes around a bone dry track...
I cannot believe they are also doing the nonsense thing of pumping sounds through the speakers...its absolutely NOT ON. Horrible, bad for you Honda.
Young kids from 18-25. And adults from 35 to 55 would have a hard time affording this car. Perhaps you could get a used one for $43k.
It's a shame really back in 2020 I was going to get a Type R in Championship White but everybody that I talked to was trying to mark It Up 5k to 10k fast forward till now and the new body style people are marking up to $25,000 I stand by my decision of buying a 2020 M2 competition. At MSRP. What was I thinking an M2 competition Stomps the s*** out of the Civic. Don't get me wrong it's a good car but it's barely worth MSRP
@@raidenout1515 I don't know if stomping the shit out of it is THAT accurate a statement. Straight-line sure, but I've tracked both, liked both very much for different reasons. On a tight track the Type R is not far behind. Takes a pretty damn good driver to get the most out of an M2 Comp.
That said, I absolutely agree no car is worth 5-25K over MSRP. Ended up getting the FK8 gen for a good price in 2017, but I'm also open to a newish M2 Comp as a third car after some time with it recently at a BMW Perf. Center...looks like we're after similar driving experiences!
Depends how much money they got
@@user-zm2pn2su1pm2 cs would demolish a type r on track, a base first gen m2 would still be slightly faster than a 2023 type r
Calling a sedan size car a hatch...LMAO
A sedan isn’t a size classification. Hatch just means it has a hatch.
@@ALMX5DP They've been calling it Wrong overseas since EP3 3 door changed to 5 Door FD2 which isn't a Hatch but a Sedan version Civic Type R, they don't call it a Hatchback in Japan. Even the UK built FK2 is 4 doors, although the shape of the car looks like a Hatchback. FK8 definitely didn't look like a Hatchback at all.
@@tkmwong020480 who is the authority on what is or is not a hatch? I always thought having a rear hatch was one of the primary factors.
Back to basics
I spec'd one up.. nearly £53k... Nah! I'm good honda, you're being too greedy now.. Everyone, for a moment just think.. say an fn2 type r was what just under 19k back in 2010 now one is worth 3-4k.. that hurts.. imagine owning a civic.. and let's be honest, this is just a cheap ass civic that you paid 46k for and it's now worth 3... 4k because trust me.. one day this will be an old civic worth not a lot! Insane price! I'll stick with my fd2 cheers 👍 another thing to think about is what was your wages like in 2010 compared to now? Are you on more than double what you were on in 2010?! I doubt it! Why should a civic type r be more than double the price?! The civic type r was a car for the people.. now no one can afford one.. genius logic honda 🙄
Bad sounding engine, barely any more power, ugly rear end, barely any quicker than the fk8 but 12 grand more, no thanks.
46k 🤣
The new Civic seems to be really really nice - irrespective of variant.
Honda seems have repeated what it did with previous gene.
Namely, base variants uses the same suspension geometry as the R.
Meaning, the base Civic handles every bit as great as the R.
Sure with bit less grip due to less grippy tires, however same handling balance.
Meaning, irrespective which variant person drives, they'll all feel great to drive.
U saying a base model civic handles like a type R? Not a chance mate
Totally wrong.
The Type R is on an entirely different suspension design - a base civic and an R are nothing alike, especially when you add say 500hp to each - the differences become very clear immediately.
@@SlowFk8 no he's saying that due to the same chassis platform, they'll all feel great to drive.
@@mickl8212 yea he’s wrong they feel nothing alike not a comparison
Lack of driver ....
Type R is No1 but at that price you gotta consider alternatives like the i30N
so sorry but, at 55k euro and with only one usable mode(the comfort one), only people with more money than brains will buy it; the gry looks now like an effin bargain. The problem is, I was planning to get an fk8 after this one arrived, counting on the drop in prices due to the new model...but, I can kiss that plan goodbye as the prices of fk8 will stick because of the enormous price increase for the new one.
the funny thing is, Honda is dealing these prices only here in Europe...as the new ctr in the states has less than half of the price increase we experience(37k USD to 44k)...so, I guess they don't really care about EU market. Well, I believe we should return the favour.
bummer dude
@@CypressRacing it is not about me being bummed or not. this is no 3 door coupe special edition type r integra.. this is the bog civic type-r.. which now costs 18k euro more than fk8 costs at its launch in 2017 and 13k more than the last edition of the fk8 ctr in 2021(which was 42k); technically, it is the same car while the interior, bar the front seats, is the same as the regular model.. so.. for what reason 13k euro extra?
So true, starting price here in belgium is 55K.... I dont think i will see a lot of them on the streets here. Honda doesnt want to sell that car here. I wanted one, not anymore now.
Honda Australia don't care about the Australian market either, selling it more expensive than the US market from Base Price $72,600. Even our neighboring brother New Zealand is $8K AUD cheaper at $64,199 AUD which is closer to the Japanese Spec Price in Japan.
Honda Australia have been ripping Customers off for 22 years since the Integra Type R DC5 with jacking up the Price and Detuning lots of Good stuff taken away from the Japanese Spec and called it a Type R when it was actually a Type S.
🚫DEALER MARKUP🚫
Stupid price.keep it
By all accounts this Type R is pretty good to drive but it awful looking.
I refuse to buy a car with artificial engine noise.
You'd buy one in a second and you know it.
Ok, well buy a car without artificial engine noise and leave the rest to the people that just want a great drivers car and know where the button is to turn it off…..or simply don’t care
You can turn it off easily
Bmw..?
you can buy aftermarket sound