The Hawks Need To Start Over
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- The Atlanta Hawks are going nowhere. Since making the Eastern Conference Finals in 2021, Trae Young's Hawks have regressed each and every year. Despite adding Dejounte Murray from the Spurs in 2022 the Hawks are currently barely scraping by in the Eastern Conference with little path forward to winning a championship with their current core. It may be a difficult decision to make, but its time for the Atlanta Hawks to start over.
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Making the ECF in 2021 was probably the worst thing that happened to this current Hawks iteration.
Ben Simmons ruining teams left and right.
@@anajhamilton4993 For real
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Really?! While I haven’t vid yet. Will edit after I watched the video.
I feel like the falloff was so predictable too. It's not like they beat a team like the Bucks or Nets or some genuine A-level contender, it was the pre-Brunson Knicks that everyone kinda felt was a fluke and a Sixers team that beat themselves more than anything.
Reminds me of the John wall Bradley Beal wizards. Never good enough to win it all never bad enough to get a good draft picks. It’s definitely time to blow it up
Hell that's at least 50% of the league...Basically big markets or big big names n good market getting the star players..
my favorite stat is that the Hawks were 600-600 out of their last 1200 games on December 23rd
impressive levels of mid, Atlanta deserves better out of their teams
Wow, I remember seeing a statistic about the most historically average NBA team, and it was the hawks. This was around 2015. Some things never change, I guess.
I absolutely love how they date all their vid clips. Such a neat little feature
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As a Hawks fan I don't think people consider issues when claiming we should rebuild. Our ownership led by Tony Ressler is incompetent and lately makes moves to save money. Landry Fields isn't experienced enough to get the proper pieces back in a trade. Also, I don't think a trade of Trae Young would yield the return big enough to have a successful rebuild. The team holds onto players for too long like John Collins, Clint Capela and now Dejounte Murray. I wish people actually understood that the issues aren't due to Trae Young-but are at the feet of ownership.
I agree with you, but going forward the rest of this year is on these players ! their pride, Heart, Desire etc. last I checked these were some pretty Good players, particularly 1 thru 8 so isn't it up to them to want, and fight tooth and Nail the remainder of the season for each other.? Your thoughts.
Murrays only been with the Hawks for 2 years
@lazychill3112 And? This season was a good opportunity to get a return on his value, and they stood pat instead.
I wish y'all talked more about Trae and the Spurs, especially since San Antonio has Atlanta's 2025 & 2027 picks unprotected (& a 2026 Swap). If the Hawks wanted to blow it up and rebuild, they'd need those picks. It makes the Spurs their best trade partner, especially since that's one of the few places where Trae would be a good 2nd option fit next to Wembanyama.
Why the fuck would they blow it up and rebuild when they are already rebuilding. Trae Young is like 23. You people are ignorant as hell. How about try to get a second star to compliment the player you would blow it up for. They're just gonna get another good rookie make the playoffs then a year later blow it up again? It's a good thing none of yall will ever be GMs and explains why I always win my fantasy league on 2k for money
That would be insane to have Trae's shooting next to Wembanyama.
@@Pleebian94 don't forget his passing. Trae lobs to Wemby will feed families.
@MrPackThe17th Also, Luka and Trae in the same conference AND division. I mean the storylines would just write themselves.
Inversely, it disincentivizes the Spurs from making that trade. If the Hawks want a rebuild, those picks are arguably as valuable as both Trae and Murray put together.
The Spurs might prefer to keep them in their back pocket and shoot for the moon. Goodness knows the Spurs are lucky enough with the lottery. Watch something stupid happen like they end up grabbing both Cooper Flagg and Ace Bailey next year.
as a hawks fan that tries to watch as many games as possible this season even though I'm from the uk. It's very simple what our problem is.
1. Dejounte Murray is a Point guard.
He isn't a SG and isn't able to defend to an elite standard at that position. is he bad? no, but he's not what we wanted for that. the best player for the role he's in right now which we were trying to get at the deadline is Herb Jones. he would make us a better defensive team and is an actual SG.
2. Ownership.
terrible decisions that have changed our timeline. The DJ move i'll give them was a good. move in the right direction with a good idea that just didn't seem to translate as it looked on paper. But the John collins move took 2 years too long and we could have got way more then just a salary dump. its dwindling value in players on our team that we don't capitalise on. I fear the same will have for Hunter and Capela who are starting to regress value wise. Hunter is especially bad. Injury prone and a lack of improvement. He's been good since he came back and ill give him that he's consistent when he plays but as a 4th pick in a draft its painful. Capela is much different. He's older then we need and Is holding back okungwu. only recently has he started to be the main centre and he playing really well. But capela is healthy, consistent and our best interior defender. we need a replacement or teams like the bulls who we have problems with because of our interior defense and horror rebounding which makes an Andre Drummond look like an map candidate. These two need to move this summer.
One thing I would say that I don't agree with in your video. Trae is no longer a total negative on defense and I'm going to be honest I think Dame has been worse THIS SEASON. I saw someone say this and I think he said it best, he's a net zero on defense. The effort is now there, he's stealing the ball and has been one of the better players at doing that this season. Trae is just victim to genetics as many are, too short and too weak to handle a Luka or the taller guards in the new NBA. ill give him credit for his defense, his offence gets on my nerves. Just looking at the stats you see an elite scorer and an elite passer, the records he's broken show he's one of a kind yet he's an extremely inefficient player, he's taken 160 30 FT THREES THIS SEASON. Dame has taken around 50 or 60. That's too much, that's why he's so inefficient, its just bad shot decisions no matter how good of a deep three maker he is. But again you have to give him credit that he's a one of a kind type of offensive talent, its hard to make a good comparison to him as a player because no one has had the shot taking with playmaking at that level that he's had. There's a strong chance Trae will break more records the three point one seems to look very doable right now. But I don't blame him and I don't think you can. Trae is Luka but short and skinnier so we got the short end of the stick in the trade. its pretty obvious but you still got dealt a strong hand its all about how you build.
I don't trust this team to build about him right but the best option is to retool get players that fit better now you've learnt what works because we have no time left. This summer everything should change. Keep JJ OO Trae they are the only ones safe. I like Bogi he would be 6MOY on a good team but he's on a 10th seed but he's definitely available. Trade Hunter and capela. as well as Aj Griffin ( hasn't played and doesn't want to. ) Bey can leave inn free agency and then you try to be smart with what you do. DJ is on a large contract we can do anything but a trade is inevitable. The pelican trade for Herb jones is my preference. Just hoping this organisation can get some luck and make smart decisions
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Praying the ownership takes initiative this off season its tough to see players not being purposed in the way where it fits their best abilities. Coming from a hawks fan we need give our boy kobe bufkin a chance as I think he can flourish and be a very influential piece.
@@swas7083 ye I liked his upside coming out the draft, his fit maybe less but he’s no longer injured. Need to play him over garrison mathews who just does cardio for his minutes. More people are realising how bad the ownership is now for the hawks outside just our fans and ownership is viewed as more of a problem like with the bulls.
The Atlanta Hawks have produced many NBA players who are in the Hall of Fame, but they have only won a championship once.
When Pettit was there
Never expected to see the legend Claude here🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rest in peace legend🙏🙏🙏
Gone but never forgotten...
RIP 🔴⚪
Genuinely imo, they need to retool rather than rebuild
Dejounte turned out to be a bit of an awkward fit, I would probably move him for depth pieces + a pick, let Jalen Johnson & Okongwo flourish (meaning trade Capela), and try to get 3-d wings
You can also have a terrible defensive pg and make it work (circa Isaiah Thomas Celtics)
As someone whose had to sit through many lost seasons with my team, retooling is fools gold. Either make whole sale changes in FA like the suns or get picks and rebuild like OKC. It's unfortunate but it's better to have hope then to hang on and be hopeless.
Building a team around a short player is probably the worst thing you can do. everything around that player have to be perfect for it to work. No room for errors
Be careful I said the same thing and the Trae blowhards came first me. I didn’t say he sucked, I just said it’s hard to build around him. Great talent/player but your roster is restricted when you have a tiny guard.
I been saying this for over 25 years, which is why Iverson couldn't win, he was a SG that was smaller than the PGs.
Steph is the exception since he's a generational shooter
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The Dejounte Murray trade only makes sense if you can convince Trae to play off-ball on offense a lot of the time. That honestly should have been an easy sell, as DJ is a proven distributor. Once the chemistry developed, Trae could stretch the defense, DJ and Clint can go to work in a PnR, and *somebody* is getting an open look every time.
That's not how Trae operates, though, so here we are.
Exactly
Trae n Luka both had a miracle Cinderella run to ecf/ wcf
I was expecting a video on you guys abt. the All Star break to show love on Lillard All Star MVP and b2b 3pt champ.
great vid, im just thinking if trae goes to the spurs, that's gonna be a great fit because w his passing and vision that suits wemby's rolling and alley oop threat so well and also wemby's all time defensive presence sort of mitigates trae's horrible defense.
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Spurs fan here. To be honest, Dejounte wasn’t a great defender, he just always went for steals and tips. He generated steals, but he got beat a fair amount off the dribble and struggled with off ball rotations/help as well. For me, it was evident from the start that he wouldn’t play very well beside Trae, especially on that end.
11:12 what about 2014 Tony Parker or 2004 Billups
ATL needs to look at the Celtics and how Brad Stevens made Isaiah Thomas look so good some years back. Be able to cover up his bad defense with effortful defenders and good wing scorers with some extra size who have the capability to create their own shot just when it’s needed
This allstar weekend was sad need more nba vs wnba shit next year
I would have liked to see him on the Spurs because that would have just been really interesting for Victor this season.
Well I can tell you the one thing they shouldn’t do is sit on their hands and do nothing (which is exactly what they have done)
I ran here straight away once I got the notification
If you are wondering whether to draft the 6'7" guy with a 7'2" wingspan, or the six foot volume shooter, PICK THE GIGANTIC GUARD.
fax but aint no way luka got a 7'2 wingspan
The perfect spot for Trae is San Antonio
Was so happy and surprised to see Claude!
RIP legend 🙏
Trae is not a player to build around that simple he's the guy you get as a fa for a team in Contention
Cold War MP song intro ?? 💯💯
11:12 big shot billups would like a word
Rockets should trade FVV (expiring contract next season), Jalen Green and 2024 Nets picks for Trae Young. Fred is good trading piece for them to get additional picks or salary match piece for another big move and Jalen is still young, 24 nets pick is top 10 too
Trae coming to my Brooklyn nets🙏
trae young is having a good defensive year
when it comes to 2k the hawks randomly go 67-15 and win the championship every season 🤣
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The Hawks in 2K went 30-0 to start the season 😭 Had Trae averaging 29/13/5 LMAOOOOOOO
the thunder magic and grizzlies all rebuilt within 3 -4 years i think the hawks would be fine blowing it up
Who’s here after they got the number one pick
The ecf run was due to having a decent team all around. We had Red velvet Lou Will ,Collins was averaging 20, Solo was a beast Gallo had size decent defense and 3pt shooting, Capela is averaging 14 boards and playing better defense……either way cheap ass Ressler don’t wanna pay the luxury tax and after losing those 3 picks on the Murray deal it’s gonna take doing something drastic to fix the shitshow they got going on now
ngl Trae and Wemby could be a fun duo.
ryan boyle what a save clip?
Ima need a wolves vid
TBH trading for DJM wasnt the right move, we needed another big 3&D wing and a better center. We traded the wrong pieces at the right time.
Trae in San Antonio would be perfect, Trae needs a star big man and wemby needs an elite playmaker
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Fun fact I learned last night is that in their last 1500 games the Hawks are 750-750. They are literally the most mid team in the sport right now.
2 smal guards? What about d wade?
It doesn’t feel like it, but Trae is only 25. I don’t think you can move on from him yet. I can’t believe they haven’t traded Capela yet! It’s so clear Okongwu is the guy.
I’m just dejected either trae somewhere he can ball out and do his thing or some fun trae, jj, oo hoops one or the other but this middle ground HURTS
Mavericks became the winner of the Doncic-Young trade. There’s no disputing that.
Yet both got to the Conference finals for career and at least ATL had 2 wins
13:49 let’s not forget pg wanted out to go play with Kawhi and that’s why okc traded him.
The bulls been balling tho
So your best bet is to trade Trey with a team that is willing to give you two first-round picks. Because he's that great of an offensive player. Don't rebuild the team around them and expect them to start defending, he's not made for that and unfortunately and I'll never change. Get somebody that solid a defense, but maybe has two less buckets a game
If NBA teams think Trae is so good then the Hawks should get a few starters. Personally I think NBA teams know how much of a defensive liability & inefficient Trae Young is & how a 1 Way Player is not a superstar. As far as Draft Picks the Hawks already played that game & failed when they Traded Luka Doncic for two 1st Round Draft Picks.
I mean no its really not guys in his 5th season and proven to be at least good enough to take a team to the playoffs and fruther.
This would be an extremely short sighted move for the hawks tbh i mean look at Detroit they tried to rebuild and its been 20 years since theyve been anything more then an 8th seed.
Its just way to early to start blowing things up even if trae has his problems hes still got time to improve and the team around him is still geneally quite young this isnt the lakers where every player is in his prime or past it, you can realsitcally expect improvement from guys like okongwu and youve got allot of youg trade pieces to move with a guy like dejonte murray next time a star trades available.
I get you guys are portland fans and are used to short rebuild periods but thats really not how it always works.
I really don't understand why people are suprised about Trae's lack of aptitude to be really competitive in the league. He's obviously a great player, but the amount of HOF talent you'd need around him to reasliticaly compete for a ring is just delusional. He's a guy that can easily be abused defensively in the playoffs and is not good enough off-ball. That doesn't exclude that fact the he is a max player to a lot of people, and rightful so. But in the real world, how would you be able to pay 3/4 HOF players to compensate for his deficiencies? It's just not possible man, unless you draft 3 generational talents in a row which is just not gonna happen with Hawks performing as a mid-table team
as a 24 year old life long bulls fan who’s been told how awesome we were in the 90’s…i’m so glad to see them get trashed for being the definition of “mid”
I think it’s time to blow it up. They are not bad, but they aren’t good either. The worst place to be. So if they are not good enough to contend. Get younger and get your best players on contenders. They don’t have crazy contracts so it will be an easier situation to handle
Ben didn’t just guard him great game 7, he guarded him well most of that entire series. Just offensively was… yeah.
if im trading trae im trading murray too theirs no point in keeping both
they can always move to Winnipeg
They capped themselves up after Ben Simmons fell apart against them.
why would you love this trade from spurs perspective please? it makes no sence! don't get me wrong, trae is great, but he is probably one of the worst "max contract" guys you could pick up, any team who wants to pick up trae need a ROCK SOLID defence around him.. besides wemby who is already making a case for dpoy, the spors got a very mediocre defence..
At least we have the Braves. All our other teams suck.
Trae young on the magic doesn’t have to be the best player and there’s more than enough defense to protect him
I’d honestly love to see the magic try and make a trade like that. They have a decent core now
The hawks are like the saints, not bad, quality pieces, but uncertainty at coaching and inconsistent performance from the stars.
The Hawks need to Start! And why not Now, everybody Should be healthy when the league starts back up.
why they always so dominant in 2K tho? Atlanta always winning 60 games in my league lol
If Trae did get traded, maybe the Raptors would take him. I mean, he'd more than likely be in the same situation as he is right now with the Hawks. But maybe he'd stay there for a year or two and then get traded to a real contender.
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As a knicks fan let me honestly and truly say F Trae Young
We are not getting rid of trea young or Murrey.
Still believe the video game guys have a sports channel
You guys didn't mentioned one of the best sixth players in the league, Bogi. Guy have some value...
Still mind-blowing to me that Philly actually lost to this team in the playoffs. You want to talk about overachieving and that Hawks team is the definition of doing so.
The organization failed Trae more than he failed them. Did a bad job building around him. That DeAndre Hunter pick was the one they really missed on.
Please update your opinion’s on Trae’s defense. He still isn’t a “good” defender but he isn’t the worst starting defender and definitely isn’t worse than dame. Just look up the defensive metrics 👍🏽
the hawks are disfunctional and they could trade trae for whatever they can from the spurs or another team and roll with murray
Plus can i get a jordan poole video thx
...I could be a gm because it took me literally 30 seconds to see this was a bad fit for an underwhelming player with zero intangibles.
Why? Still doesn't mean that they will get it right.
Memphis has been up there with the Hawks off of pure disappointment
I have no dog on the Hawks. I'm a Sactown fan and only really paid attention to Trae Young when we go Huerter. To Hawks fans, your GM fleeced ya drafting him thinking he was the next Curry. Trae Young is simply a stat padder. He's really a 20 and 10 pg. He just shoots 15 free throws a game. You cannot win building around him. He's too small, cannot play defense and that alone taxes the whole team. We can't even win with D Fox and he's lightyears ahead of Trae defensively and deserved all star over Trae.
I think the reason we didn't see Murray to the Lakers is because they wanted Trae Young
Trey Young is a really good player and an obvious star, but I feel like he's just not the kind of player who can really carry it. He can be the number one star but he needs a Pippen, or, he can be Pippen, but Atlanta needs a Jordan.
Yes because their point guard is a defensive liability big time.. just not worth It.. and he is small as hell and weak
As a hawks fans everyone can go except Trae and Jalen Johnson.
Who doesn't love the Hawks, they are the NBA team.
Getting rid of Travis Schlenk was the worst move they made smh 🤦🏾♂️
They wasted they draft picks from last season
Trae has made progress as a defender, he’ll never be good but to say he is the absolute worst defender just shows who really watches him play
We can't ignore the fact that the hawks front office suck and have not given him an all star to play with, DJ don't qualify
No Timberwolves vid for 2 months 🥱
Who TF is running the Hawks... i think it's time to sell the team
So Ben Simmons ruined THREE teams.
Legendary.
Trae actually has been better defensively this season
Outside of Jalen Johnson emerging that team is so inconsistent it hurts and I'm not even a fan of them. Take Trae off this team and they are in a different kind of hell
Better than the worst defender in the league is still awful. He’s just bad on that end. About the best you can hope for with Young is that he doesn’t give back *all* the points he scores on the other end.
@@EonArashi He has a better defensive rating than Dejounte
@@nothachimanhikigaya9921 Yeah people underestimate how valuable having someone like Trae is. ECF appearance to me says that he can win it all
@@DaltonBurrowsz defensive rating is a team statistic. It can vastly underrate or overrate individual defense. *Especially* for guards and centers. KCP has a defensive rating of 116 (compared to his team’s overall defensive rating of 114) but nobody would call him a bad defender if they know anything about basketball.
Also, no he doesn’t. As of today, Trae’s D-Rating is 123 to Murray’s 122. Both are awful, though, so who cares?
hot take: trae is probably the best defensive player on the hawks rn 😭
This video should be retitled “out of pocket takes by people who don’t watch, let alone care about, the hawks”
Hawks need to give Millie Bobby brown season tickets to save thier season
Trae in Dallas is a better fit than Kyrie. Even tho Kyrie is a better player.
Trae Young is not the worst starting defender in the league
Trae young is complete ass on defense
@@ryanb9305 He’s been slightly below average this year. Watch basketball, and stop going off reputations.
@@C6LD Question do you just spew BS expecting people to believe you? Trae Young statistically this season is the 2nd worst defender in terms of defensive rating only behind Jordan Clarkson. 😂 that back fired on you quick
@@C6LD Like I originally said trae young is ass on defense. I would never want him on my team if we are trying to compete for a championship.
@@ryanb9305 It didn’t back fire on me actually. I said watch basketball, and you responded with defensive rating (a stat that everyone knows is flawed). So as I originally said he is not the worst starting defender in the league.