TIKKA T3X TAC A1 VS RPR
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2018
- Comparison of Tikka T3X TAC A1 vs Ruger Precision Rifle
This video shows operating differences between the RPR and the Tikka T3X TAC A1.
There is also a ladder test using H4350. Please not, I don't recommend anyone to use these actual loads, it is something you do at your own risk. The CBTO and the COL are not published on this video, as each rifle is different.
Tikka T3x Tac A1 all. day. long. I am not saying the RPR is a bad rifle, quite the opposite. The RPR and Tikka are both ready to go rifles out of the box for PRS type matches. However, you can't beat the Tikka Tac A1's perfornance, features, quality for under $1800. Both rifles have great features for the price and you can't go wrong with either. You have the ability to change the barrels yourself, both come with enlarged bolt knobs, great chassis systems, great triggers, and small things like excellent extraction, folding adjustable stocks, and threaded muzzles with brakes. However, after shooting both rifles, I decided to add the Tikka Tac A1 to my collection for the following reasons..
(1) I love the trigger in the Tac A1, a smooth double action with a crisp break. I think it is better than the RPR. (2) The barrel is a higher quality barrel than the RPR and is going to be more consistently accurate from one Tikka to another Tikka versus the barrel performance from Ruger to Ruger rifle. Some RPR's shoot sub 1/2 MOA and some shoot MOA. (3) The RPR action goes all the way back into the receiver extension, basically into the AR style "buffer tube" kind of eliminating some stock options. (4) The overall reliability and quality feel of the Tikka as far as the action, the folding and adjustable stock, and fit and finish just seesm to show a little more attention to detail and reliabiity in the Tikka. There's less play in the adjustment parts on the stock, the action is like glass, etc.
(5) The biggest thing for me is that you're kind of stuck with the RPR's overall setup for life, granted you can still change the barrel, pistol grip, stock, and forend; however, the Tikka gives you the same flexibility as well as the ability to throw the barreled action into a KRG, XLR, MDT or whatever chassis system/stock you want. I think the RPR is excellent, if you are not gong to do anything except change the barrel out. If you plan on changing chassis systems, stock systems, or whatever else, you have that cabability with the Tikka since it's based around the Tikka T3 aciton.
Thank you for this! I was torn between the two and I think I’ll go with the tikka now.
I agree . Tikka is hands down the better rifle. It's far more accurate than it's price tag suggests.
I have both of these and I’m disagreeing with much of what he’s saying. I can close my bolt on empty mags, I’m not having issues with my buttstock locking in the folded position bc it does lock, as for adjusting….it’s not sloppy but very solid. It really does come down to preference….this is why I don’t give these videos much credit…
@@APlife764 I agree as well but could also be that this was a older gen version and they fixed a lot of minor issued with newer models
Good review. Ive had both, although the RPR was 308 and my Tikka is 6.5CM.
I find that the Tikka is more of a precision build than the RPR, whilst the RPR was good, I always felt the bolt a little loose.
The Tikka suffers from only having a 0MOA rail, but has a much better trigger. Someone commented that its horses for courses, true, whichever suits. Dont get me wrong, the RPR was a great shooter in .308, but I opted for a different calibre. Tikka for me.
Tikka coming from the same factory as Sako .. Perfection from Finland with master craftsmanship
Would love to see this same video done on the Tac A1 vs the Christiansen modern Precision.
Very nice suggestion, somehow I believe that at least 70% of people will pick the Christiansen before actually taking it out of the box.
Great comparison !
Hands down Tikka! Have one in 6.5 CM and amazing accuracy for a production gun. Every bit as good as custom but without the price.
Great review! I agree with you.
Well I'm in the market, so thanks . Great to the point review.
In Canada the RPR ships with 2 Accurate Mags, metal construction, and allows the bolt to close on an empty mag. The stock is a pain to adjust but once setup its fine and it does lock in the folded position. The RPR retails here for $1750 CDN and the Tikka TAC A1 retails for $2800 CDN.
I have a first generation RPR, recently upgraded barrel and Caliber..It definitively shoots much better now. The Tikka T3X is less expensive here, I paid around $1,700 (around 2,200 CDN), I agree the issue with the Bolt is likely related to the type of magazine used (I've been using P-MAG). The Tikka came with 3 magazines. It seems like the RPR cost the same there.
the rpr is 1900$ and the tikka is 2300$ CAD at cabelas Canadian website right now
Holy crap man. Does Canada like have a sin tax on guns?!
Thats a BIG difference .
@@lavida57 that’s nothing compared to Europe. 2800 euros in France. How a rifle made in Europe sells for less in America than in Europe is out of my mind.
Thanks for the comparison
Thank you !
The Precision Channel I noticed that you’re one of the VERY few sites/reviewers that respond to every compliment & all of the meaningful responses ~ KUDOS to YOU!! BTW, great & detailed comparison and as I’m seriously ‘in the market’ for a new long range bolt rifle (& am leaning towards the Tikka!), this review is helpful. THX!🇺🇸
I’d have to agree with you... TIKKA all the way. 😎👍
I’ve got mine combined with the Vortex Razor gen II 4.5x27x56 .... boy, they get along great together.
Nice comparison review. 10/10
After carefully considering both rifles recently, when it came down to it (and having both rifles in front of me) the Tikka was the obvious choice.
Both are very good rifles, but the Tikka is by a long way the superior of the pair. Even though the Tikka is a more expensive purchase, I believe the higher quality makes it better value.
I can not disagree with your opinion, and I agree both are great rifles, I still own both of them, I like both of them. I am not monetized, didn't get any of discount "in exchanged for my unbiassed opinion" (what a joke of some reviewers) and do not have any financial interest on any gun company. I appreciate your review and comments. Like you said, both are great platforms, I still prefer the TIkka. But as you can see in the comments, others disagree.
What model Nightforce scope are you using?
I broke the aluminium piece that connects the bolt shroud to the bolt on my RPR after going through a 5 day sniper school. Other then that, the RPR is good but this makes me take pause when I'm really working the bolt.
Thrain Kross is the tikka a one piece bolt? My vanguard is
They had a recall on the shroud I don’t remember much about it only that I got a couple parts I think it was just a metal shroud not 100% though
Tikka by far the better rifle. Machine work is 2nd to none on a production rifle. Bolt is slick as greased lightning, trigger is way above average. Just no comparison.
I have not shot Tikka T3 yet but in my opinion I will not say that it is a better rifle I have rpr and I know on a good day it outperforms $4,000 custom rifles all day, also you are shooting two different calibers 6.5 Creedmoor on the Tikka and 243 with the rpr it would have been a better value to watch if you had both rifles in the same caliber and I believe the rpr has better features then the Tikka T3 besides the pesty buttstock such as different magazines that can be used plus the 20 m o a rail included just my opinion
I went for the Tikka, but as I can't afford two rifles in this class I'll never know for sure if the Ruger is better or not. I liked the Tikka stock better, and that it was not based on the cheapest rifle in the range. Best group so far at 200m is 0.4MOA for five shots in 6.5CM.
With what ammo?
Considering what I can do with a air rifle at 100yards. I’m not impressed.
I guess it is truly "Different strokes for different folks" because I actually like the RPR factory stock. I think Ruger put a lot of thought into it and for my competitions it works very well. Pretty it ain't but ergonomic and functional it is.
You (the Precision Channel author/moderator) say your competitions don't permit magazine changes but my competitions do. That's why I added aftermarket magazine release lever "wings", for fast mag drops.
it makes sense what you say about mags changes... some matches do allow magazines to be loaded.
I my case, the CBTO length of the reload would not allow the cartridge to fit anyway as I prefer to sit the Ogive at around 10-20/1,000 of an inch off the lands making the COL too long to fit on the magazine... not sure about the specs of your reloads.
I am not saying I don't like the RPR, if that was the case I would not have spend over $400 on a match grade barrel. I am saying, in my experience with both rifles, I personally prefer the Tikka T3 TAC A1.
To each, it's own. I imagine you have tried both rifles, and you prefer the RPR. Nothing wrong with that. It's a great rifle. I own both rifles, I like them both, still prefer the Tikka T3 TAC A1 (except for it's weird name, it's a full mouth) . If I had to buy a RPR again, would do it without hesitation. I just recommended it to a friend of mine..
The Ruger CAN lock open or close, look at the little lever on corner
Rpr 26 " barrel ?
I have them both. And also a Sig Sauer SSG in .308. All are in .308.
Sig for me it is from far away *SUPERIOR* ...
True, then again better compare apples to apples such as the SIG SSG with a SAKO TRG or a Steyr SSG.
Can we change the tikka's picatinny rail for a 20 moa rail , or we must mount a monobloc spurh?
I understand it can be changed relatively easy, but not sure if there will be an offset when the rail meets the chassis with the picatinny rails (because of the 20 MOA elevation).. but I am almost positive it can be done. FYI, it does not have to be a SPUHR mount, there are many other good quality, match grade mounts for less than $200 (some of them for around $100). If I was going to do it again, would prob use Nightforce, Vortex or Aeroprecision mounts. I don't feel the SPUHR is any better than those (other than the look)
You can also use Burris tactical rings. With inserts you can get 10 moa, 20,moa, all the way up too 40 moa. And they are great rings too. And not too pricey.
Get a 20 MOA Unimount for the Tikka.
I haven't been able to find out how much the Tikka T3X Tac A1 weighs. Can you tell me how much the rifle alone with empty magazine weighs?
My understanding is that the 6.5 Creedmoor weights 11.24 lb. I would weight mine, but it has a heavy scope on it already. Different calibers would have different weight
Many thanks for the quick reply. I kept looking and I found another video that also contained that information. I had my eye on one of these rifles. I've owned a few Tikkas over the years and I still own two of these rifles; a Tikka hunter and A Tikka lite. I had planned on mounting one of the ultra long range IOR scopes on this Tikka Tac A1 but that would make it an overly heavy rifle for me to be lugging around the sticks in hunting situations. I'll probably go with one of the light weight Christiansen Arm bolt guns so that it will turn out weighing about 9 or so pounds after adding the scope and bipod.
Thanks again for the quick reply. I appreciate it.
So, in terms of accuracy and features, they are very similar. I'm not sure it was mentioned, but currently, in the US, one costs $1800 and the other $1000. The RPR further comes with a 20MOA rail and the ability to take a number of different, and cheaper, mags, so, if nothing else, if you're looking to shoot very long distance, you'll need to spend some extra dough on a 20MOA base or rings for the Tikka. Lastly, if once really wants to, there are kits for polishing the RPR bolt to make it a little smoother. This was too simple a comparison, I think one showing bolt manipulation and actual accuracy over a realistic a range is more useful. The stock setup to me is a non-issue, as I'm the principal shooter of my rifle and after setup, it won't be messed with. Cheers
I agree in that they are very similar. $1,000 for a new RPR would be a good deal, I paid more, I usually see it around $1200. The Tikka cost more of course. It's a matter of preference, I have both rifle, and I like them both, would buy both of them again if I had to. Thanks for your comments.
->WRONG... The Ruger folding stock DOES lock. You must turn the lock release button vertically to lock it folded.
->AND... The Ruger Precision Rifle can accept many standard .308 magazines, both rear and side locking types (patented feature) whereas the Tikka Tac A1 accepts ONLY the expensive Tikka proprietary magazines.
->The Ruger, like AR type rifles, has a direct reward recoil with the stock attachment IN LINE WITH THE BARREL, unlike most other chassis rifles. Direct rearward recoil mitigates muzzle lift, very important for staying one target to see your shot impact.
I have a Gen. 1 Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Ceedmoor. Very accurate (1/2 MOA consistently W/Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo). It was, with aftermarket muzzle brake, $600. less than the Tikka Tac A1 but just as good. Love Ruger's 3 lug bolt and its fast cycling.
Yes, see my reply on a previous comment. It has a locking mechanism, not as practical as the locking mechanism of the Tikka T3x TAC A1 (in my opinion). I am not a true believer in that direct rearward recoil mechanism in line with barrel. I don't feel any difference in recoil between these 2 rifles, they both have very manageable recoil (6.5 Cr is more manageable than .308 anyway)
I agree, the RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor is very accurate. I actually like the rifle platform, I just upgraded RPR with a Criterion match rifle. FYI - I don't use a muzzle brake (not allowed in my local matches), and yes, I can get 0.25-0.5 MOA accuracy with reloads using 140 ELD-M, & H4350.
IMHO, however, having both rifles, I still think the Tikka is a better rifle for me, but I agree both are great rifle platforms. I also agree, the RPR is less expensive
I don't think the RPR Bolt/Action is better cycling than the Tikka, but agree both are great in my opinion.
I don't care about having so many options for magazines on the RPR (not allowed to load magazine in matches anyway) , therefore, the 3 mags with the TIKKA are perfectly ok with me. They function better than the Magpul mags anyway. If this was a tactical rifle, maybe I would care. But this is not a tactical platform, like the AR-15.
In conclusion, I like both rifles, I currently have both of them, can't go wrong with either platform, I still think, without any doubt in my mind, (money aside), the Tikka T3 TAC A1 is a better rifle.
But I agree, for the money conscious, the RPR is probably a better value for the money (if you could live with the factory stock).
However, I am not changing my opinion on the RPR stock. It is just, simply stated, horrible
Assuming accuracy is comparable, handled a Ruger but didn't shoot it, have shot the Tikka, just for the action, fit and finish, Tikka it is.
TIKKA T3X TAC A1 rules!!!
I would pick the ruger just for the different magazines that will work on it loose your tikka while hunting good luck finding another one the ruger will use P mags and 3 others no contest there also the accuracy is a wash so for 500 bucks less again ruger the rugar uses many many more after market parts than tikka and it has 2 inches more barrel....just my opinion your mileage may vary
The Tikka stock cheek rest can be reversed for a left handed shooter shooting right handed, the Ruger can’t.
Wanna know why the tikka is more expensive than rpr? Because the tikka tac a1 is alot better rifle than that ruger.
Most Tikka's are extremely accurate rifles. I've never been a big fan of anything Ruger and I've owned a couple in my time. I grew up in an era when Ruger's were considered a Poor Man's gun company. The image has stuck with me ever since.
Price diference ?
I purchased the 6.5 CM RPR Gen.1 at $ 997.00 before tax. at a private gun store.
how hard is to change barel in tikka ?
I have not changed the barrel yet on the Tikka, but I don't expect it to be difficult. I changed the barrel on the RPR, it wasn't too hard.
Sooting groups is not a ladder test.
SHOOTING groups is no a ladder test
@@theprecisionchannel6505 If you would take the middle position of each group und draw it on paper next to the average values of the other groups it would be a ladder test... But not a very common approach I guess
$1800 for the Tikka in the USA vs 2600 euros in Europe, what a crying shame.
Yeah I noticed today its 2800€ in Germany now .😂
Now you can really make up your mind if you just spend 1200€ more and get a steyr precision rifle or something else for 4k 🤦♂️
That’s an odd choice a big heavy benchrest scope on a tactical rifle kind a like putting slick tires on a jeep
Frank Moncada most people don’t buy 10lb rifles to be sneaking up on someone, they buy them to shoot 1000yds or more. Doesn’t take a lot of tact when the enemy can’t see you. So no it’s not really an odd choice. Most 6.5 Creedmoor’s need 6X24 power scopes to utilize the ranges they are capable of. You don’t buy these to deer hunt or do a speed course at the local training camp, you buy them for long range precision shooting.
I have a RPR in 243 Winchester as well. Absolutely love mine. I took a look at a Tikka. Ended up buying a Sabatti EVO instead. I prefer the stock. And their barrels will out last anything on the market. I actually own three of their rifles. If the Tikka had a longer barreled 308 Winchester I would buy one. All three are great companies. Been looking hard at Cadex rifles recently. Twice the money. But they are worth it.
I would hope the Tikka would be more than a little better. It cost 800 dollars more LOL
Comparing a .243 to a 6.5 isnt a great comparison. The 6.5 is a far newer precision cartridge. Not tht the .243 isnt a good cartridge but its not a 6.5.
Both barrels are now 6.5, have a match grade barrel on the RPR. My opinion has not changed. I still like Tikka better, even with the factory barrel
Wonder if he's from Finn where it was made idk i prefer the Q fix ..
Tikka costs a lot more than the ruger too though
Yes, it does..I think the Ruger is priced right.. it's a great value for what it is.
That being said (the higher cost of the Tikka, by about 50% more), in this case, I believe the adage “You Get What You Pat For!” is especially correct. Of course, I don’t have the means to buy a Barrett MRAD/GA Precision CRUSADER, so the Tikka’s relatively more expensive cost is IMHO within a Regular Guy’s range & worth it for the better quality. ...and yeah, I do think the Tikka’s a better build rifle - just enough to justify those $500 extra dollars.
I see you ride your scopes as low as I do LOL...… Love my RPR in 6.5 CM. Mine shoots a group of three at 100 yards, into the same hole so I have no Bitch and moaning on this rifle.
@Bill Carlson I was using Hornady A-Max140 gr. at the time at 100yards and reload BTH Match, ELD Match and A max for my 6.5 @ 42 and 42.5gr. with H4350 and CCI BR-2 primers Which give me 1/2 inch groups with my Sandman L suppressor. Good luck finding ammo everyone and save what you have …..SHTF may be coming soon. :)
@@steveduvall5981 well shit that fan got hit
You were using the wrong mag in the RPR, that is not the mag that comes with it. The folding stock does not wiggle if locked, which is at the folding end of the stock (as you don't know or should by now) and the cheek rest on the stock is elementary for a real shooter and adjust just fine. I have produced tighter groups with my reloads using H4350 @ 41.5 to 42.5gn. CCI BR2 primers for my 6.5CM RPR. I have seen but never had the chance to shoot the Tikka but the with the performance I get with my 6.5 RPR....there is no need to.
Tikka barrel thread is 5/8
Correct
I sell 50 Ruger's to every 1 tikka sold. Funny thing is The tikka does not shoot better. Use the correct bullet in both and the groups are sub MOA. My Ruger holds 1/4" MOA. My friends Tikka holds 1/4" Both rifles will shoot holes in holes if the shooter has the ability. The Tikka trigger is smother and stock adjusting is easier But I've had to adjust my Ruger 1 time and done. Upgrade the trigger for 200.00 if you want, the Ruger is still cheaper. The bolt slides better in the tikka but that has nothing to do with accuracy. American made. In the end if your a precision shooter at 1000 yards or further neither of them will be good enough. people love to buy the fastest car but sill only drive 80 mph , It's the same with guns. some times it just comes down to what feels better or looks better to the shooter. but the Hands down BS about Tikka is nothing but BS.
I am glad you like the Ruger. I like it too. I even upgraded the barrel, and a few other items on this rifle. I have spent more money on the Ruger than I have spent on the Tikka. I still prefer the Tikka, but would be perfectly happy with the Ruger too. In what I STRONGLY disagree with you is in calling other people's opinion "BS". After all, we are all Free Americans (aren't we ? ), and entitled to our own opinions. It reminds me of radical (usually left wing) politicians, it's either their way, or the highway. If I was allowed to have only one rifle, I would keep my Remington 700. Is it a better rifle ? not necessarily. It's better for me, because it was my first rifle. As a Free American, I am entitled to my own opinion so far. And yes, I also have a Mustang GT350 Shelby, and you are right, I drive it at 65 mph ! (lol) Why ? BECAUSE I CAN ! I thank you for your opinion.
The Precision Channel hell yeAh, nice review, you do have a right to express yourself and what you like, we have that right and why not have both if one can afford it!! I want this tikka tac a1 but I don’t have the money yet, cheers mate!
Thanks for the review! although I'm confused why you said Mike Christopherson called other peoples opinions BS... I reread his comment just to be sure. He said "but the Hands down BS about Tikka is nothing but BS" He never disagreed with your assessment of the Tikka being better, he just disagreed with people saying it was "Hands down better" as if there was no comparison. He has every right to call that BS ...and I agree with his statement. They're both great shooters, but one is not exponentially better than the other. @@theprecisionchannel6505
@@fretboardvoodoo I tend to agree more with his edited opinion, I just don't like to call other opinions 'BS' (but that's just me) After everything is said and done, I have spent more money on the RPR (after upgrading barrel) than on the Tikka (no upgrades), so, obviously, I like my RPR. I just purchased another Tikka Rifle (Tikka T3x CTR) and I am extremely impressed with it's accuracy (.308) for less than $1K. I think you can tell, I am a TIkka fan now. Nothing wrong with the RPR. I still like it. With the new barrel it is as accurate as the Tikka.
I appreciate the time you've put into comparing the two rifles. To be truthful, I'm a fan of both rifles as well. And like yourself, I favour the Tikka as well. The RPR is still a hell of a lot of bang for the buck though.@@theprecisionchannel6505
Mr. Precision obviously has no clue what he's talking about, otherwise he would know that you can close the bolt with inserted PMAG....
he would know that you can lock the stock in foldet position.
he would know that the RPR is not build around PMAG`s ,its "build around" a Patented multi-magazine interface that functions interchangeably with AICS and M110/SR-25/DPMS/Magpul-style magazines and some M14 magazines, which is a big advantage over the Tikka.
he would know about the 20% price difference between the RPR and the Tikka.
Thank you for your intelligent, well educated, constructive, respectful, and thoughtful opinions.
I am glad you like your RPR. I have an RPR too, and I like it as well.
I am glad to be a free American and to be able to have have my own opinion on my own products.
BTW, the street price difference is more than 20%, around 30% for me. I would gladly pay for it again, if I had too.
Just my opinion.. (aren't we all glad to be free Americans ??)
Cheers..
I think you have said everything that needs to be said in the matter and you have said it "well said." Enough said! Best regards from a fellow inmate!
The Precision Channel man just delete and block comments like that, they ad nothing.
The Precision Channel - Wow, a very well handled reply to an angry-for-no-reason comment.
The Precision Channel What an awesome reply to an asinine comment. That comment reminds me of an apt Mark Twain quote: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”🇺🇸
Accurate rifle but not accurate video a lot of mistake
You really should read your owner's manuals before offering a review.
TIKKA FOR SURE, NOT EVEN A COMPARISON.