Is Enlisted better than Hell Let Loose?
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- Both Hell Let Loose and Enlisted are heavy weights of the WW2 FPS genre. But can Enlisted really compete with our beloved Hell Let Loose? In this video the two games take to the ring and go head to head over 10 rounds to decide which is the ultimate WW2 champion!
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Having bots in a game is honestly a deal-breaker for me. I hate the feeling of schooting another player, only to find out it was Fritz the bot who just had to smell the flowers in no man's land
The bots are good for nothing except standing out in the open and getting killed instantly upon any sort of contact
I get that, for the most part I agree, but I have to say the bots in Enlisted weren't as bad as I thought they would be. It was a real put off for me, then having played the game for a while they weren't THAT bad. A pretty weak argument to be fair, but they did "bulk out" the experience which at times added to the epic-ness of storming the beach for example. But yeah, they're dumb as hell and it's a let down when you shoot one compared to a real player...
never played red orchestra2
Was going to say when I played enlisted is it not like you and a squad of bots that run into walls then you die switch to a bot that's facing the wrong direction granted hll could do with a few more features but hoping this will be a learning curve and we get a massive update with all these features or hll2 could be fantastic I do like the fact that hll isn't really xp based I think it makes more people want to play the game more instead of fucking off to do side quests to get xp to unlock a skin shit like that does my nut in 5 mins in a round n already being pumped with a strapon as half your teams no where they should be
The bots are almost more accurate than RL players. Unless they're on PC.
What I mostly like about HLL is that there is no real progression aside from some kits and skins you can unlock. Every game all players have the same gear and weaknesses a mere footsoldier has. There is no real way of getting an advantage over other players besides just getting better at it.
exactly why the game is great
What? No children using mom's credit card to buy advantages in the game instead of learning to play?
Shut up and take my money!
That's the best thing I've seen in a video game in a while.
You mean the devs have no monetary incentive to make the game unfair, pointless and psychologically abusive, constantly fiddling with the in-game mechanics to sink players into a never ending downward spiral of sunken cost fallacy induced fruitless expenses?
I'm downloading HLL right now!
Idk the FG42 going crazy
@@Sammydplays I've given up trying to unlock that thing. The grind is ergh!
@@alltheflavors9673 just be warned the studio sold the game. Theres now an absolute coin toss of a chance that we get a battlepass and turned into another COD or abandoned altogether. Hopefully they improve the game, but Squad the modern version got sold and instantly brought in emotes 🤣
Enlisted, hell let loose, post scriptum. All way fucking better than cod WW2, battlefield 5, and whatever the fuck vanguard even was. I'm just happy we finally have actual WW2 games.
Absolutely! I didn't even look at Vanguard, it looks like my decision was justified!
Imo nothing will beat CoD World at War tho. Absolute classic game.
@@evangalinsky2499 Agreed
@@evangalinsky2499 that's just a nostalgia take.
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial no its not. I literally still play world at war daily. People still make sick custom zombies maps. I also still play BO1, the last good CoD, period.
Enlisted feels more like a single player, medium/large scale battles with occasional weird players/bots. You are the commander of your bots and use them to cover areas while you cover others. You can also make them stay a few feet behind so that when you die, you immediately "spawn" right where you where but now you know where the enemy is.
I've heard the bots are far better when you learn how to control them. Unfortunately I haven't reached that stage yet, but they really aren't as bad as people think!
Simply no, enlisted is so pay to win it’s ridiculous. If you don’t spend the money you are going to get ran through again and again and again
@@bmohr9826 I was able to max out Normandy for free. Just have to grind to some of the mid level units then its pretty fair
@@JaridMitchell no way in hell am I grinding the same nation twice for two different campaigns. That’s a waste of time
@@bmohr9826 oh yeah, agreed. Look at the new update notes though. Their new progression system lets the same nations carry over apparently. But yeah after maxing us in normandy i kinda just fuck around now 😂
5:30 "You just noticed you've finally unlocked that FG-42 after having given up trying 6 months ago" literally the most spot on statement you could have given.
Ive been playing for nearly 2 years and still dont have it... working on lvl 9 assault lol
@@mdiciaccio87for HLL , hell yeah, most of my times in HLL ends in Commander 😢
@@mdiciaccio87 I got that finally bro. It’s been hell getting there
@@TheBigSlime420 You do know that there are ways to boost classes in HLL right? You could of joined the Bob the Builder server and in a hour or two ranked up the automatic rifleman to level 6.
@@dancortes3062 Developers hate that trick
One thing i think he missed out on was enlisteds campaigns. Enlisted has 6 total campaigns and each one is different. He only played normandy, which is a good starting campaing but the other 5 really show how good the game is. You have stalingrad for urban combat, tunisia for deserts, berlin for more open urban combat, moscow for more outdoors russians, and pacific is entirety its own vibe. And the best part is each campaign has an entire progression of its own for both axis and allies
Unfortunately you have to re-grind on every campaign and that just sucks the fun out of it.
@@alannorris3819 Maybe. But I think it allows for a fresh start in whatever campaign you start. Different weapon/vehicle unlocks and environments per campaign is what it's all about
@@alannorris3819 im kinda addicted to enlisted so those grind kinda brush it off from me. Besides, once you reach level 10 on each campaign, you basically got good weapons already
@@alannorris3819 just as each faction on war thunder
i cant bring my german panther with my japanese tank line up
You should have played and taken into account Enlisted's gunfighter mode, where there is no AI bots. Just players. It becomes a different game played that way.
@evangalinsky2499 I have played it and regret not mentioning that as I found it changed the game completely, great to have the choice between bots and no bots! Another win for Enlisted :D
@@twiglets2 ah, glad to hear you did at least know about and experience that mode.
And now that Enlisted is getting reworked progression (announced TODAY) along with that mode, even though you JUST did this video it might be worth re-doing once this next update comes out.
@Patriot Hammad no
Yo how do you change to that mode
@@danielcardenas1699 It's in custom games
Enlisted feels more like an arcade/ casual game and is fun to just hop on and chill out. HLL is fantastic when it comes to immersion, strategy, and teamwork, which I personally prefer more. Both games are really enjoyable though
Strong agreement here.
stupid HLL fanboy.
TeamWork is something i hardly see. Most games its two squads trying and then five just holding W
it’s a sweatfest the more you play it.
@@arcanusluvalus1388 yeah I could see that, I meme most of the time and just trap tanks between hedgehogs
I find the bots in enlisted have their own charm knowing that they are apart of a player controlled squad who can switch to any of its members at any time or if the player dies and there's bots left in the squad.
its ahead of its time. maybe when ai is developed to imitate a real person
@@darugdawg2453 I think it makes the game more realistic, for me it makes it seem like an actual war and not 10 weirdos shooting at each other like in COD, only if the AI was better though...
Enlisted is a game you can hop onto for a couple of hours and have a genuinely good time just experiencing the battles you are dropped into. For that, I feel like Enlisted did above and beyond what I could’ve asked from a free game of its size.
Not to forget it's... actually free
@Coffee lover697 exactly
Enlisted is the most trash game I’ve ever seen. The dumbest gunplay, ugliest animations and the worst… the silliest bots I’ve ever seen 😂 It gives no emotions when you win, cause you know that 70 percents of your kills are bots, who were just hanging around with their buddies, doing actually… nothing 😆 They are also as useless as dumb, so there’s no point in campaigning, the only thing that can lead you to play this trash is that you’ve no friends to play good games with, but it’s your problem, and it can’t be solved by playing this shit, only by changing your life in some way 😅
@@coffeelover6977this. I have a potato old gaming laptop, it's still surprise me how i can run Enlisted 60fps, with a decent graphics too...
Enlisted sound design is amazing. The voicelines too. Some German soldiers sound like they are on "medication"
Agreed I have surround sound and it's amazing explosives hits my subs hard xbox really brings the 5ch. Out
What I like about enlisted is how fun and good the vehicle gameplay is. Like the hot box’s are accurate like you can shoot a gunner or driver in a open capartment of the vehicle
@davidcassia1595 I think players underestimate how good the vehicle combat in Enlisted is. It's easy to say it's basically War Thunder combat in Enlisted, but that's actually a really good thing!
I like how in enlisted if there's no cover you can just get out your shovel and dig a hole. Not sure if HLL is like that or not
@jeffdoyle1227 wow you can do that?! I totally missed that...can only engineers do it? HLL doesn't have that, the environment basically can't be changed which is one of the main complaints about the game I think.
@Twiglets2 Any class can carry a shovel after receiving campaign level 5. It goes in your knife slot
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@@twiglets2 Enlisted has a digging shovel mechanic as an engineer. You can build artillery to fight tank and planes. and also build respawn point to the team and ammos. The game is addicting though!
@@twiglets2 any troop can use the shovel as a melee weapon
You can actually play in a tank with other people in Enlisted. Me and a friend will sometimes hop in the same tank together and just go crazy. It's a lot of fun and definitely gives enlisted a point in that aspect because you could have several people commanding the same tank (if you have friends) just like in HLL
I've looked up how to do it but I've never figured it out. How does one hop in the tank with a friend?
@@newby547 it requires there to be an empty seat in the tank, you should be able to just hop right in with your homie if the drivers, gunners, or commanders seat is open.
I haven't tried it since the paratroopers update so there's also a chance they mightve removed that feature...
@@DeviousCornelius there are settings that disable random players from getting in, not sure if it blocks squadmates though
Sorry I'm so late here.... no, there is not something that blocks other players from getting in... it just needs an open seat... I verified this yesterday by jumping into a random PZ IV to use the MG on top
Enlisted is better if you're playing by yourself. Hell let loose is better if you're playing with friends
I don't know if it's still there but I remember there used to be a lone fighters mode that was really fun and had no bots
@stargamerdude3592 Yes it's still there! I was very happy when I found that out, having the choice of bots or no bots made the game more enjoyable for me. It's definitely more tense without!
@Twiglets2 Cool! That was one of my favourite modes alongside their April fools events (Germans on the moon was sick!). Keep up the great content man :)
Lone fighters is still in Enlisted. It's just in custom games now.
if you don't want to spend money on a WW2 shooter , Enlisted is good.
That should be the base game
For me I like hell let loose better cause of the realism. But on the other hand I also like enlisted because of the extra content it provides and more maps. It just depends basically on your personal preference.
100% it does. One of my main issues with HLL is the lack of new content, whereas Enlisted gives you that little bit extra in terms of factions / weapons / maps
in some aspects HLL might be more realistic, but in tank combad, it is not. HLL tank fights are really simplified, while enlisted is essentially warthunder level tank engagements with infantry
@@fluffyboom Agree that too.
@@fluffyboom Agreed, it's often overlooked as many players in HLL don't play tank so don't realize how janky an experience it is. I play as a gunner and sometimes what happens in HLL simply makes no sense, or the environment stops me making a shot that clearly should be achievable. Though HLL tanking is awesome if you ignore the annoying parts lol
@@twiglets2 it does look very fun with the squad system. Since I am broke and don't want to buy HLL, I have found a very janky way of reproducing a tank squad in listed. Step 1: take 1 (or 2) less tankers in your AI crew. Step 2: spawn a tank and have your buddy enter the tank (they are able to do this because of the empty seats in the tank). Step 3: one can be gunner, one can be driver (and a another can be commander if you can manage to fit a 3rd player in there with you).
I like how bombs leave creators and you can destroy buildings but hell let losse actually feels like you in a real war that you need to communicate with your teammates
@assassinsgod8159 it would be good to combine both games, they both have something to offer!
great vid, you deserve much more subs, keep the great quality up and you will get far.
Thank you my friend, it's comments like this that keep me creating content and I can't thank you enough for it :)
For a free to play game enlisted is pretty good but there's some typical free to play jank that comes along with that. The UI takes a while to get used to, it's very convoluted but like you said once you get a feel for it the progression is pretty good. My biggest gripe is that sometimes my tank will get stopped at full speed by a bush or some small piece of rubble on the ground which has got me killed several times while attempting to flank another tank or evade AT soldiers. The bots are also borderline useless and will just stand there while enemy soldiers pour into a room and massacre them. You can always make them hold position behind cover somewhere out of the way and switch between them as necessary but if you need bodies on an objective they will probably all die very fast.
@jacoblewis9514 those are my experiences also. I haven't quite gotten to grips with controlling the bots, though others say it's pretty useful when you do. I've lost count of the amount of times I've died 5 times within 5 seconds as I die and switch to the next bot only to be killed instantly by the same soldier clearing the room!
Ngl Bro that’s just a gaijin Moment
if you don't want to spend money on a WW2 shooter , Enlisted is good.
Set your bots to aggressive and they will light people up they’ve also been tweaking them from been cracked to trash to middle ground.
@@dartheinhorn1152 I had no idea you could do that haha thanks for the tip bro
The stupidity of the bots in enlisted is beyond comprehension
I found it amusing to read the devs released a patch to "improve" the bot behaviour....I dread to think how bad they were before this improvement!
They're cannon fodder. Send them to where you want to go and if they die, go somewhere else lol
I played enlisted for 1 yr. Bots at the beginning were terminators with aim bot so bad they could snipe you out of a plane at 1000 Meters 😳. And right now is the best the bots have been smh the devs need to FOCUS.
go play another mode then
@@hannibalbarca4430 no you just have too much negativity
One thing I wish was mentioned about enlisted is that there are multiple fronts and factions. For example Normandy, Africa, Stalingrad, Berlin and the pacific
I love the fact that in enlisted there are different types of animations depending on where the character is hurt, not just on the arm like in hll in hll that would be awesome.
On the topic of maps, I would have actually given it to enlisted, like have you seen the detail in Berlin? The devs modelled the maps to be as accurate as possible to images taken at the time, it's practically photo-realistic.
Thanks for pointing that out, I'll take a look at Berlin for sure!
Same with hell let loose maps
All of hell let loose’s maps are made with aerial photographs of real battlefields along with teams that went to the locations to collect topographical information.
Hell let loose is the most accurate most detailed maps there is on a ww2 game ,way more than enlisted even more than post scriptom and that is a good game ,why are we comparing almost simulation shooters to casual arcady shite
Enlisted has way more maps across 6 different campaigns from Moscow to Normandy and the Pacific theater
I don't have hell let loose (no next gen console or PC), so I play enlisted. I find it incredibly frustrating that my favourite tanks, planes and weapons are locked behind a stupidly long progression system or paywall. I've been playing for 6 months, and I've ONLY just unlocked level 13 (mortar squad). I like the idea in HLL, where you only need to be quick when choosing a class of soldier.
Get premium, its like £20 for a year pass and you get x2 xp and extra squads in battle plus other bonuses
war thunder is the same, made by the same people
"I've been playing for 6 months, and I've ONLY just unlocked level 13 (mortar squad)" are hll unlocks really better?
@@bruvreallymate4365Got HLL now, they are. The only DLC's you can buy are cosmetic. That's how it should be.
@@bruvreallymate4365generally not, due to a lack of depth but its easier to unlock what you want to once you commit to it.
when he said he didnt want to deal with the stress that a commander gets i totally agree with that. i was commander for a few games and hearing people yell at you to give them supply drops and garrisons really does add up😂 (still undefeated with my commander games)
As someone who plays commander a lot, I recommend to tell them to stop the impatience and not complain since they refused to take commander role themselves.
Nearly every game these days lacks a commander for the first 2-10 minutes, so having anyone step up is always appreciated.
Saying enlisted Enlisted looks better than HLL is insane
I actually love bots in enlisted, once you know how to use them and stop using them as a meat shield they are quite useful and add a strategic element to the game, moreover, they make the battles feel a bit more epic, you can hardly get this feeling from other games when you stick your head out of a window or a trench and see a full squad of enemies, or even more moving among the buildings or trees. yea, a lot of them are bots but still, they fill the battlefield a lot and you know there is a player among them, and even if you can kill the player first, which is hard, the bots might kill you, in any other WW game, once you see an enemy soldier, you know either he is going to die literally in the next second, or you will, most of the time you can't even see the enemy that killed you. it feels good to ocasionally get multi kills with your mortar rounds or artillery too. After playing enough, you don't even care if you kill a bot or a player, because you realize that killing a bot is in fact, killing a player respawn opportunity, so the feeling is almost the same, every bot you kill count and makes difference. Lastly, when you know how to postion your bots and they start getting some kills... well, it somehow feels rewarding.
@thebetoz1 I've started to appreciate bots for the reasons you say. I still find it difficult to control them properly, but they are still fun!
In other games coming up against another player it's 50:50 if they die or you die, with bots you will get some kills almost every time so it's fun and gives you that epic scale!
Enlisted is definatly one of the best free to play games out there, and i spend most of my time on my ps4 on enlisted.
Although I do disagree with the gunplay point, but this moreso comes down to preference I believe.
For me it's in relation of the situation what I like more. If I'm willing to have an intense battle with unforgiving enemies, I prefer Hell Let Loose. But if I'm frustrated of the permanent deaths without even seeing the enemies I will most likely go play Enlisted for the day and come back to HLL another time.
Ultimately, having the choice is best!
@@twiglets2 So which is better Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose or Enlisted?
@@michaelhawkins7389 Yes (I have played all 3)
I’m looking forward to seeing what the new HLL Devs will do. A roadmap should be out soon so that will be nice to see what’s on the docket for the future
they won't do anything new. all that will be added from now on is new "practical content" i.e. maps weapons vehicles and skins
@@k3psu48 they’re adding the British and Japanese after this roadmap….
@@austinwilliamson3026 exactly, maps weapons vehicles and skins
They haven't bothered to fix bugs that have been present in the game for years. I put in 450 hours in HLL and after that much play time I just had enough of dealing with the same glitches over and over and over again.
they appear to be attempting to disembowel the game as fast as they can
Seems like enlisted will have a major change to its progresión system, ill give it another try now, plus, i think in the progession system there is a lot of motivation in unlocking historial units, certain brigades, divisions, platoons, etc that make up for much more than just selecting a certain camouflage or helmet desing in Hell let loose.
I like enlisted but I can’t disagree more with number one, at least on my PS5 Hell Let Loose blows Enlisted out of the water in terms of graphics.
I love the bots, if they put you off it feels better, because it feels like actual squads and you know that there is one human threat there and it's a minigame each time to be like where is the real guy- and if you feel like trolling act like a bot for a second and you might be ignored for a couple more seconds to throw a grenade or something
For Enlisted, I feel like that classes have more effect then was said here. Engineers are able to make not only fortifications, but also AT guns, AA guns, rally points for squads to spawn on. The AT gunners have personal AT weapons. Radio operators can call in air strikes. There is also the miss that there are also a great amount of campaigns to choose from in different time periods so you can use different equipments from those times.
Enlisted has content updates more than twice a year, the general massive lack of content and updates is one of my main complaints about HLL, the game is so stale because the updates dont add things that change the way its played
Give me Enlisted any day. All that running into battle forever, only to be sniped once you finally do get to your objective, and then having to start running all over again in HLL drove me bonkers. With Enlisted you spawn right into the action. The bots are ok once you get used to them, and the fact that you respawn into the next bot in your squad, after you have been killed, only adds to the emersion. I did try HLL again recently, but just couldn't cope with having to cross 8 fields of nothing boring as hell.
Enlisted’s bots was a turn off for me as well at the start, But then I realised that killing a bot harms another player! Looking at your squad and seeing you lost your radio operator sucks, no more air strikes for you! Lost your AT gunner? Welp, that panzer creeping up just became a real problem! Your mortar squad lost its engineer? You’ll just have to make the best of those 4 shells you have left then!
The bots work more like pieces of your kit once you can synergies different classes with each other! So you didn’t just kill a bot! You removed important equipment from another player.
Ps. The last update made the bots waaaay smarter
@oggej3747 I think many players give up because of the bots without giving them a chance. It took me a while to adjust (and I definitely am not good) but something clicked after a few hours making the game way more enjoyable!
Also there is the lone wolf mode with no bots too, which I found pretty decent
I played a bit and felt the bots were not smart at all. That was like a year ago.
@@949surferdude The developers always say that the intelligence of the bots is being improved. I'm not so sure, very difficult to measure!
The way I see it, I play Enlisted solo but Hell Let Loose when I want to communicate with people. Both are great but for different moods
Apples to oranges. HLL is about realism and tactics. Enlisted is arcadey and easy to play, and has a massive class and squad customization function, which is a more mainstream shooter trait.
Red orchestra 2 heroes of Stalingrad eats popcorn in corner
I play both games, more enlisted as i just got into Hell At Loose, but this is how I feel about this. When I want to challenge myself and immersive myself in a WW2 game I go to Hell let Loose, it's both very immersive and challenging and I LOVE the team work. Then when I wanna relax and chill with a nice snack and a CZcams video playing i go to Enlisted. The game for being a free game is AMAZING and with the up coming update with the research/progression tree that should be adding a good handful of new guns, tanks and other things i think will blow Hell Let Loose out of the water, but I think ill still go back to Hell Let Loose for the immersive and team communication side of things when I'm in that kind of mood.
@BayDoesGames Thanks for sharing! I'm similar to you, it's great to have both games in the library!
@@twiglets2 your welcome, thank you for the great video and hopefully helps both communities grow.
I just prefer enlisted because hell let loose honestly hurts my eyes when i play it.
Its not the graphics themselves its probably because just how ludicrously far long range the combat can become at times when compared to enlisted. I mean when your just given a scopless bolt action and told too sit and fire back on to a position thats in a completely different continent it can become a real strain on your eyes
Yeah HLL can get really painful if you’re not ready for engagements at 100 meters or more. At that point your not looking for bodies your looking for movement and the fashion for the game is “he who sits, sees.”
Unless you’re battling a hard point you won’t really see them first if your moving and they aren’t. The game heavily relies on movement as a factor for identification of an enemy due to the color scheme designs and uniform options.
What i like about HLL, coming from BF and COD, is that you can't just pick it up and play(you could argue rifleman/medic). But what i mean is, every player on the map has a job to do, one single person can influence the taking of a point, or defending a point. For example a machine gunner perfectly placed can disrupt a whole team for minutes at a time. But also, a tank squad relies on infantry to prevent someone from putting a satchel on or attacking the rear with a anti tank gun. If you get lucky and have all the squads/commander in sync, its beautiful. Being able to use different tactics etc. I still only know about 40% of all the maps, which is essential sometimes, and can be the difference between winning and loosing, for example where to drop supplies, where to place garrisons, where to place outposts, where to place airheads etc so the other team can't find them, just knowing the maps can be the difference. I played enlisted and the gun play just felt cranky and junky. I liked the ordering your team around however, it reminded me of flashpoint on the xbox 360, and reminded me of brothers in arms, its just not executed very well. I'd love to try post scriptum
There’s so many times where I see a lone engineer get designated VIP status on the front lines. Medics throwing smoke and their lives into the gauntlet to pick up the two engineers trying to get a satchel on a built up point.
The glorious cheers and screams from people to push in once a satchel is placed and goes off. Not much can top that in my books.
As a player who abandoned Heroes & Generals after they introduced bots in their game, I feel like Hell Let Loose is the go to game. Here's hoping we get planes and some level of destruction (or just make tank driving better overall) at some point lol.
Games like Hell Let Loose would be much better served if players were funneled towards cohesion.
While the dispersion is fairly realistic, concentrated attacks most definitely are too. Tight clusters of objectives would be a great help towards that. Like say, A B and C within a couple dozen yards of each other with a few other objectives in the distance clustered the same way. Scatter a few lone ones on the flanks to motivate scouts and maneuver elements.
@sowpmactavish let me check I'm understanding correctly....rather than one objective, split that into several small objectives that are close to each other but force a team to coordinate in order to capture A B and C in order to capture the objective as a whole?
I may have misunderstood but I think you may be onto something. I dislike how HLL has a big square for you to capture with a hardpoint in the middle. If you could break that up into small elements that are close but separate, that could be a very cool addition to what is essentially a king of the hill style gameplay.
@@twiglets2 that's basically what I was saying yeah. But maybe not force teams to capture A B and C to capture an overarching objective ABC. Just have regular objectives closer together. That way you dont have to change up anything in code, just fire up the map editor and add some objectives. I was thinking like, A could be a farmhouse, B could be the barn and field next to it, and C could be a hedgerow to the south next to the road. Elsewhere on the map, D could be a bunker atop a hill, and E and F could be fortifications along its flanks. Just points you would naturally select to attack and would make sense for reinforcements to insert into, but turned into explicit objectives to encourage squads to group up a bit more.
Although I can see what you described working too. Would be even cooler if each objective had you do something different, like connect telephone lines or sabotage existing ones, like in a classic COD campaign.
Thats exactly now HLL used to be. You had to control 2 out 3 objectives to take the sector. The maps were also larger. You gained more resources the further in to enemy territory you built nodes. This actually gave recon a job vs just sniping. HLL has gone down hill.
I like playing enlisted because I'm not so dependent on communicating with the rest of the team there. I like to listen to marching music while shooting for the extra moral boost. In hell let loose I usually just get kicked for it 😂
Enlisted is the game I’ve been dreaming of since the days of CoD WaW, I love it.
Being a commander in Rising Storm and Red Orchestra is easily the best experience I've ever had and can really change the tide of combat.
Enlisted should have won the sound design category imo. All of the tanks engines sounds are just like the sound of heavy machinery from that era.
Tried enlisted. Played it for 4 hours. Never touched it again. Hell let loose i can play for hours and never get bored
@18NakedCowboys. Although there are similarities I can see how Enlisted in particular can put a player off. The shooting made me switch it off after an hour first time round.
If you have a friend you can tell one of your tankers to leave the tank and have your friend get in and drive or man the gun it’s super cool
I didn't know that, thanks!
I kind of feel there's an unnecessary hatred towards bots in a FPS MP game, Like sure the AI isn't as satisfying to kill as a player but I genuinely don't see the problem with a game that uses bots along side players. Another point regarding classes I feel has a bit of a bias towards hell let loose as you didn't mention the fact that the roles are locked out if the squad is part full or nearly full. As a result if you're joining into a game mid progress or you're not fast enough to hop into an empty squad and pick the role of you want, you don't have alot of choice and could spend alot of time either as rifleman or a class you don't enjoy as much. Good video however ^^
@Mistjeager Ah yes I had completely forgotten about being locked out. The number of times I try to be machine gunner but somebody else has stolen it from me!!!
I personally think the future is bots. They would need to be smart bots of course, the ones in Enlisted aren't the brightest. But if you had bots that were reasonably realistic, and placed real players in a battle with hundreds if not thousands of bots...now that game would get my attention!
The problem I have with bots is mainly in games such as Verdun, where there's a focus on stealth alongside a low time to kill. I'm just chilling in a foxhole, barely exposed, and some bot halfway across the map snaps to face me and instakills me. It just isn't as fun when that occurs, and there's no mode without them. This gets worse when the game doesn't have alot of players, so there's ALWAYS unavoidable bots. It just feels frustrating since it's not even a skill issue.
@@h.m.tolympic4669 Horrific! I'm no expert, but I assume that because bots are dumb, the easiest way to make them "better" is to give them a god like aim to compensate for how dumb everything else is. I find this in Enlisted sometimes where they kill me from a million miles away... I guess ai isn't as smart as we think! (I'll regret saying that when our ai overlords are in charge).
@@twiglets2 God bots are prevalent in Insurgency Sandstorm, where the AI is simultaneously both blind and dumb with the memory of a goldfish, and yet can have snap trigger aim, 1 shotting you with mosins from across the map and being able to throw intercontinental molotovs. They also at all times have player tracking and walls enabled. Its a mixed bag, and can get undeniably frustrating at times when you die in a situation you simply shouldnt have.
Personally I dont think artificially padding out AI is the way to go.
@@twiglets2 Yeesh early enlisted bots were hyper intelligent t800 sharpshooting aim bots. Back then my bots got more kills then I did I prefer these bots then the old ones
I have yet to find a game where I feel more immersed in what I'm doing than HLL. Grabs my full attention every single time I play. Knowing that every sound and explosion you are hearing is something happening in game by someone nothing is "backround". You hear a plane flying over head its a number of things that are impacting the game. Artillery shells flying at you knowing its a real player trying to kill you. And knowing you have the ability to stop it yourself if you take it Upon yourself Not just a backround noise or something someone just called in quick ((obviously theirs bombing runs which are instant but have hefty cooldowns and there is a decent in game supply aspect that you can use to have a very nice advantage)). Having no choice but to all push across a bridge behind your big ass tiger tank because the enemies machine guns are pinning you down. Going from almost losing your last point, To pushing to mid point with succesful teamwork and use of commander abilities. Nothing compares to the immersion And that alone is why personally nothing beats out HLL. But I am a big immersion guy i wanna feel like im there, in the shit, knowing every kill i get is a critical step towards victory. Good breakdown video though made me look at enlisted a little different ill probs start playing it casually again.
You just described enlisted a game now I’m sure you’ve never played
@Tasty Duckling
I literally just described HLL? Thats why I'm uhh...talking about HLL? Can games not be like one another but ones be better? Its a matter of straight opinion buddy And I gave mine. I could say the same thing back since youre so narrowminded. Have you ever even played Hell Let Loose. Cause thats the game I just described. Dont be so naive
I had Enlisted for a long time because I didn't have a next gen console to play Hell Let Loose. Definitely some valid points in this video. I do wish HLL had more content, but in the little time I have for video games these days, I love that class progression and unlocks move across factions. Enlisted certainly has more content, but it is a grind and the best things are locked behind a pay wall. Everything is designed to be just inconvenient enough that at some point you want to break down and put money into the game.
Absolutely, they know how to tempt you just enough, then dangle the progression you want for a small fee. I won't knock them for it, but it's not really my style!
They literally just got new devs. They will make it better hopefully.
@@krazykuz13cmc oh yeah?
@@mitchelkvedar674 Hell Let Loose did, not Enlisted. Enlisted is still Gaijin
@@RogerCharlamange oh thanks
Dog fighting in enlisted is such a satisfaction. Getting that 10 player kill feed with a dive bomb is unmatched. Both games are potentially peak in their theaters.
@thecheezybleezy7036 It's easy to forget you can fly planes in Enlisted. Most players who play HLL don't even realise you can!
there's no "better" game between these two, they're two games of the same genre but different execution
Hell let loose has just started to bring bomber planes..ive played both and I'm a big fan of them both there just as good as each other. Hll needs a system in place to show new players how to play there roles. Enlisted does show new players how to. I've always felt like the aim in enlisted feels abit sticky at times. Hll when you drop someone it feels great
@picklerick4208 bomber planes? Wow that's going to be interesting!
Yeah I know ammo drops too
@@twiglets2 What he is referring too are two new commander abilities; The precision strike (which allows a commander to call in a stuka, 2x P-47's or an IL-2 rocket strafe for the Germans, Americans and Russians respectively), and the ammo drop (which is just like a supply drop, but for ammo).
There is of course the long standing bombing run commander ability, or Katyusha strike for the Russians.
There is no air combat gameplay to Hell let Loose, and likely never will be, excluding supposedly upcoming Anti Air vehicles.
Thx for this comparison, street fighting in hll has been strangled so many closed off buildings.. tanking rock paper … i have to check out enlisted as the airdrops respawn mechanics off hll have reached the boredom threshold.
@happyapilot1832 I enjoy HLL, but it's healthy to explore alternatives, especially when they're free! Enlisted won't be for everyone, I hope you enjoy it, I certainly underestimated it and find it a fun alternative when I'm bored of HLL.
I liked the actually fighting in HLL but the deal breaker is I play for an hour, 40-50 minutes of it is spent running.
@@MrWillicat1 hll movement simulator
@@bruvreallymate4365 All I know is I think all that running actually got me in shape, lol
One thing I love about HLL is the absolute terror you feel when a bombing run is heading your way, or you are hiding in a small foxhole with an enemy mg surpressing you.
the immersion is off the scale at times.
And yet another case of f2p (and p2w) vs. p2p. Honestly both are a double edged sword. Both are time consuming, and both are multiplayer games based on WW2.
However from my experience as a Enlisted player, all I can say is on how someone plays both games. It really doesn’t matter. As long as if you’re having fun. That’s all that matters.
And to people struggling for both games. Something I learned from the TF2 community, is to remove the “tab” key as a whole. Whereas you have free will and don’t have to care on how you do in the game. Also if you have an annoying chat, disable it. Much better than to listen to conversations that are going to add more stress to your gameplay.
And to p2w users… your wallet is restricted to you. If you want it. Then ok. Buy it. If it makes you happy. Then you’re good.
Enlisted has BOTs yes… but the player can control any of them. What I like is that if you die, you just spawn on one of your soldiers and your right back in the action. It’s just a constant action filled shooter with no downtime. That’s what I like about it😊
Absolutely! I did find that all my bots would be killed just as I was about to take control of them while a player was spraying the room with bullets...!
@@twiglets2 another thing that happens a lot is that you get shot and then a plane drops rockets and bombs on you 😂(this Completely kills this game advantage the fact that you stay in the action)
Enlisted is my game. I know not everyone loves bots, but I really enjoy them. They give you more things to shoot at and it is fun when you drop a bunch with a bolt action. The other thing I like about Enlisted is the possibility to move into different conflicts besides just WW2.
I think it's difficult to compare both games. One is rather a single player game, the other is absolutely squad and team based. In Enlisted you can upgrade your weapons and unlock rly important stuff. In game there's no real communication. HLL is based on communication and you'll only be able to win if you have a microphone and communicate with squad and squad leader regularly and the latter with the commander and other squad leaders. Also there are barely significant weapons to unlock. One or two shots from a rifle and you are dead. If you get shot at you'll get suppressed, especially by machine guns. Enlisted is certainly fun to play but it has neither a realistic nor a (real) tactical approach. It's nice to play it every now and then but if you prefer real immersion it's definitely HLL for me.
Bots never bothered me, I grew up playing against bots with socom. It just adds to the challenge against other competition with players.
the fact that hell let loose doesn't have a quick play/find match button but you have to pick servers on your own is kind of a dealbreaker for me. That and the long periods of time without action while you run from point to point only to get sniped along the way
It can be very painful! I also hate how when you die you must spend a long time doing nothing before you can even look at the screen to spawn again or change your loadout. Easy changes could make a big difference!
a server browser is a deal breaker? It literally takes me 10 seconds to find a game and get into it, and you get to choose what map to play on if you want. I often hear people complain about the whole running and getting sniped, that is because you are new to the game. Once you understand the fundamentals, you'll understand you can't just go running off alone and you actually have to stay grouped together as units in order to progress. People want hardcore without the consequences of hardcore gameplay. Learn to be cohesive with your unit, help your SL move forward and establish new OPs and garrisons as you move. That's how you win battles. Not by running alone.
For some reason its the other way on console and it can be annoying. When I play late at night with my friends, the only option we have is quickmatch, and a lot of the time it brings us to dead servers. If we had the option to browse as well, it would make it much more convenient. The other way around for PC would be great I assume too
It took me awhile to understand the various Enlisted systems, but once I did, I quite enjoy it. Building a squad from 2 to 3 and then to... even 7 or more is great fun. My only wish is that the AI would be slightly improved, but... improved AI would diminish the want of store "products" that improve players / characters and / or lessen the grind.
100! With you there!
The exp buffs and player skill layer helps with some quicker gains, but everything you said would make the game perfect!
That and a battle of britian campaign over the english channel
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Tbh hlls sound is so much better, nothing more scary than a mg42 suppressing you and hearing the bullets wizz over your head as your teammates get shredded
@RawGoon Very cool to be fair but generally the guns sound quite dull if you compare to Post Scriptum for example. They could do with some extra omph!
@@twiglets2 ye
I haven't personally played Enlisted but from the game play I've seen, it looks like it's really close to being good. My issue with that ive seen is that it just looks incredibly meh. Gameplay just looks like it's really not that good or flushed out. But maybe if it was a paid for game it'd be a lot better after some work. Might give it a try one day.
It's difficult to say. The gunplay really does feel weird but I can't describe it more than that! Basically it's free, so worth a try, and I was pleasantly surprised....but the grind is so painful...
@twiglets2 Grind probably less painful than HLL lol, trying to unlock better equipment in that game takes ages like you said.
If they improve the AI characteristics it’ll be fun
@@EchoLeague2 Agreed, it's a shame that the bots are so dumb. Sometimes it can be funny but mostly it would be more fun if they were smarter.
Sometimes they one shot me from across the map though...!
@@twiglets2 ai bot with pistol when im 2 kms away and have a head
Both game are fun. They are different type ,1 arcade style and 1 realliatic hardcore style.
Absolutely! They both have something to offer
enlisted getting a squad ai update soon. and if you can find you can play matches without squads. i think it's way better and solid experience. but i like HLL maps more.
I played enlisted and hell let loose both on a GTX 980. I can confirm enlisted was in fact better looking. HOWEVER! I recently upgraded to a 4090 and now, Hell Let Loose is impeccable.
The devs of enlisted continue to add more content but not fix anything. Hell let loose sticks to the basics and fully masters it. Ive tried both, and I think that even after 2 or so years, HHL is definitely the winner.
I have to agree HLL is superior, though that is personal taste of course! They do share similar issues I think, HLL also releases new content without fixing old issues, if anything they create new ones!
@@twiglets2 true, great video btw!
@@t00nz Thank you!
HLL just got new devs. They will make custom assets and improve the game.
Never even hear of enlisted but I might take look. Looks interesting
I don't go in for vehicles much in Enlisted but it's great when you got one on your team. Contrary to what the reviewer is saying here, you are best to protect your tanks and you can use them as cover too, quite effectively. @3:00
The thing i love about Enlisted is that i find myself using all the possible weapon and skill loadouts unlike other games where there is a meta strategy. For example my sniper squads have health and healing bonuses and backpacks to carry more heals and ammo however the sniper in my infantry squad has grenade abilities, no backpack and a rifle with more ammo capacity and a secondary weapon since he engages at medium rather than long range.
My only criticism of enlisted is that the game needs a tickets for spawn system similar to war thunder to balance late game autorifle spam.
Idc, I love wiping a whole squad of bots plus their actual player leader. I also love being able to switch between my bot squad when I die as a character without having to instantly fume through a 30 second respawn. It is enraging trying to cycle through your bots as they stand there and die to an enemy player. Also your squad getting stuck on walls having to switch to a character trapped in a wall 30 miles from the battle. But I love the flame thrower and campaign progressions and the dog fights and bombing squads is everything. I just wish they didn't force pay to play so much but hey, they gotta get their money somehow. Also the new pacific theater is awesome.
@rjrehda5795 It took me a while, but I started to realise how fun Enlisted can be. I also found it a game changer when I realised you can join servers without bots, having the choice really helped me enjoy it more.
Quick thing the 11th round you said HLL have way more classes. But currently they have 5 campaigns around 8 - 10 different infantry divisions radio commanders tanks and planes with you being able to add more and add soldiers customize the guns way more with 23 and plenty more I'd say Its a tie but with the last round Enlisted strikes HLL down with a uppercut to the head taking the final blow.
If you guys look up settings and how to fix the settings in this game cuz I've noticed a lot of players don't like the way the feel of the control... The problem is in the settings turn the dead zones down! Turn up the sensitivity a bit. If you don't like the way the tanks ride you can change those too including the plane These things are not easy when you first jump on them they're hard to learn at first but you get to hang of it real quick!
@OG-Capo--- thanks for the tips!
this video basically shows that enlisted was pretty much made for me
the huge battles with players and bots that you can command
great vehicle combat including aviation
destructible environments
@jinx8624 both great games depending on your preferences
Please don't compare the masterclass of hell let loose to arcade shite enlisted lol
Yes... But I'm sad because when Enlisted was Announced Devs said that they plan to do: "A Large-Scale Military Simulator with Hundreds of Soldiers on Maps up to Hundreds of Square Kilometers."
But as we can see they lied...
@@The_Last_White_Man i can honestly say military sims is the way forward now ,people are fed up with the kiddish same old cod / bf games of course people will play them still there a huge franchise but don't moan when a hardcore tactical sim comes out especially on console because there's a large community what want this if u don't like it don't play it simple.
Hell Let Loose is better
I think so too, though I was surprised at how good Enlisted was once I gave it more of a chance.
I'm HLL all the way, going from erie silence to full on fire fight is great. I've had so many great times in that game, when u get a good squad and good team it's an unbeatable experience in my opinion. I think people that complain about getting shot running aren't doing it right, you gotta use cover / concealment not just run in the open and expect not to get shot at, this isn't COD. Crawling through a field with machine gun fire ripping over head while everyone is yelling over voip and knowing you're facing real players just really adds to the immersion for me.
I couldn't even make it through even a few games on Enlisted, it just felt so dead and lifeless by comparison and if i wanted to shoot bots I'd just go play literally anything else.
As much as I like enlisted it’s annoying that you have to buy the 2 extra squads
It’s not lol, HLL is 9/10 for me Dawg
I'm just here to say yes.
If enlisted worked on the bots a little bit and improved the tanks, it'd easily be the best big shooter out there. Something about a 50mm cannon not being able to penetrate the back side of a Sherman isn't fun. Or the T34-85 not being able to pen a panther or tiger anywhere from the front, especially since the 85 is all you get at the start of the Berlin campaign.
enlisted uses the same system as warthunder, which is literally a vehicle simulator game, if you want enlisted to give tanks more pen than they realistically had... idk man. also youre complaining about the t3485 in berlin, have you tried using the pz iv?
HLL - Team communication is amazing rarely I have a squad where nobody talks. and when it does happen we usually lose comms give you crazy edge
I have to disagree with a lot of the decisions here.
In my opinion, HLL has VERY unsatisfying tank combat. For a game that leans hard into immersion, it is incredibly frustrating to learn that each nations tanks are practically all identical, save visual differences, thanks to the light, medium, heavy class system. And dont get me started on the damage model, and the turn rate that feels like every tank is a late war Pz.IV, with its extremely overloaded traverse mechanism.
Enlisted on the other hand, I have found casual joy in its tank combat, and plane combat. I have had a decent time with friends when ive lost tank crew, and had my friends crew the rest of the vehicle, to emulate the HLL co-operative tank experience. From a gameplay design perspective, HLL's tankery fits very well with the rest of the elements of the game, but I personally cannot stand its implementation. Squad and Post Scriptum have more proper damage models, not those wonky health bars.
Enlisted wins handily for me here.
Additionally, for Map Design, I found HLL's maps to often feel monotone, and look mostly identical. So many identical looking hedgerows and fences. The towns feel quite bland and empty, with only an occasional house actually enterable, but mostly, same looking, empty stone hallways. Plus parkour/clambering is a bitch. Not to mention for the longest time, there were only Western Front maps, but new Eastern Front maps are quite good. They may fit the playstyle of HLL but I absolutely believe there could be more creativity.
In contrast, the video only seems to display Normandy for Enlisted. There are now 6 campaigns, each with a remarkably expansive and detailed map (sometimes multiple), which can be separated into different variations, and every location/objective feels very distinct. There is nothing in HLL to rival the Moscow Kreml, and there are just fragments of the Komsomolskaya labour camp (I think im misremembering the name) in HLL's Kursk.
Berlin is jaw-droppingly detailed, with the Chancellery, Wilhelmstrasse, the Train Station, the riverside, all technically in one map. Plus the Armored Train map, with its own bridge, the riverside village, the bunker, and all the railside houses.
Every structure is enterable, and while the parkour may feel strange, or overpowered, you have to credit the developers for letting you climb to any floor you want, and being able to walk around the top of a bombed-out Berlin apartment that still has furniture in the rooms. I'm more glad in Enlisted we are able to do that, than not.
I have not played a lot of Tunisia, but I thought the desert environment was still quite memorable, with the distinctive, African/Middle eastern adobes, the ancient ruins, palm trees, and those neat below ground complexes.
Stalingrad feels like a right proper Stalingrad. I could recognize all the locations that were in Red Orchestra 2, from the Univermag, the Train Station, Fallen Fighters square, the Red October Factory, etc. (which also proves that although sometimes Enlisted's map objectives can get a bit grindy, or campy, thats not the fault of map design, just the playstyle and abilities in Enlisted. Other games could absolutely reuse the same maps for their purposes), even though the furniture, decals, and odd destroyed wall was different. And the lighting in this map is gorgeous.
HLL's Stalingrad has its own merits as well, with the memorable railyard area, and Pavlov's house-esque section. But reuses many assets from Kursk, and has really, a disappointing amount of focus on urban combat with height and tight quarters.
Finally we come to the newest campaign, in the Pacific. The old colonial era church, the SE Asian stilt hut village at the riverhead, the IJA hangars and barracks, or even just the bombarded, burnt-out sections of of the island would shame any HLL map in visibility, but still having plenty of cover and sense of direction. I could absolutely see this map fitting right in with HLL's current style of maps.
I completely agree, I can sense his biased and that he hasn't played enlisted that much.
Tbh Enlisted is my go to game especially after its revamp, the bots can be annoying yes but scoring 10 kills while bombing an area is so satisfying. Hell let loose continues to put me off by just how far you have to travel to get into the action sometimes.
@crakalakinchr1s this is exactly what hell let loose players don't see as they don't look past the bots
Without the mic on hell let loose, I'd say yes its better. With mics, its not even close. Hell let loose stomps enlisted. Yelling Sanitäter while playing as germans as a medic is running towards you in prox is the funniest thing in gaming history (I'm not german). Bantering with a guy in another squad and randomly coming across each other making small jabs at each other is hilarious.
@imhere8474 100% HLL is an amazing game when the mics are being used.
I've noticed mics being used less over the years which is a shame, I hope that doesn't become a trend!
As one of the Enlisted player, this game still need to fix character's movement a lot. I hope they could make it like battlefield
(Another Enlisted player here)
I agree. They really should but they are still overhauling the game, so give it time comrade.
Enlisted has large scale battles with bots, that if a player dies they can rejoin the fight immediately. Enlisted is better for arcade.
Hell let Loose is better for realism.
In enlisted, the tanks, other people can drive, can be the command and the loader or gunner, you just need to have 1 of your troops inside (you) and tell ur friends to get in
The biggest thing I want in HLL is to be able to build more defenses. I know it would take a shit ton of coding but to be able to build trenches will make me marry the game I’m a very defense oriented player and trenches are my loves
From what I've seen so far: Enlisted is more arcade-ish, you can just hop in even after a rough day and play.
It is different for HLL, because you really have to be in a mood to play it, but when you actually reach that mood, it feels like a blessing.
HLL can drive you absolutely mad and make you not ever wanna play this game again, but matches, where you're doing some real damages to your enemy bring up more satisfaction.
I personally prefer HLL. It's more challenging (can be more frustrating cause of it), there is really NO P2W or subscription that boosts your XP or something and the community is a miracle.
Summing it up:
Enlisted if you just wanna play a WW2 game that is quite easy to understand. It's also F2P
HLL if you prefer strategic games that take a lot of communication.
Both games are very good, but I don't think they are actually comparable. They are much different from each other.
I love how you always mention Post Scriptum, even if dead or not, it's a completely different immersive experience
This is an apples and oranges comparison. One is a semi mili sim the other is a ww2 free for all with mechanics.
I would have to say that all the points were viable except for round eleven. The difference here isn't a matter of either game's quality, but their nature in general. Enlisted is, as stated, much more arcade in nature where Hell Let Loose is more like Diet Milsim. Bots are okay in that arcade environment, it fits into the nature of Enlisted, but bots, no matter how sophisticated, will just not work in a Milsim environment, you need that human interaction and that's what really makes Hell Let Loose. Enlisted is fast, simple to play and exciting. Hell Let Loose is also fast and exciting, but generally requires players to be methodical and thoughtful, putting more effort into actually taking the situation serious and working with others to succeed. The very nature is visible in the match play times, Enlisted matches range between ten and thirty minutes, where Hell Let Loose can be around an hour and a half. It's the nature of the games and, as stated, is very subjective to the perspective of the player and what kind of experience they are looking for. So I have to say this is indeed a draw. I play way more Enlisted, by a long shot, but sometimes I want some Hell Let Loose and it's always a blast, an experience I don't get anywhere else on console.
"Hell Let Loose is also fast..." walking for 10 mins to the battlefield is... fast...
One important point, that I don't see represented enough for Enlisted, is the easy access that the bots bring to the game.
Compared to more traditional shooters, a player can faster and easier pick up the game and have positive experiences. Not having a negative K/D and not always losing your position due to dying, seems like a huge plus for more casual players. Obviously for more experienced players this might be a turnoff in return.
I had my first go of Hell let loose today for months. I was crawling along the floor and hit an invisible seesaw revealing my position. I forgot about them.