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If anything, SWOOP's video and experience show all of us how to be (or rather, how NOT to be) a better ally and a better friend to people of color and to LGBTQ+ people. It is so, so upsetting that she looked to her friend for much-needed support, and her friend chose not to provide it. It's even more upsetting that her experience is all too common, I imagine.
You said everything I wanted to say. Well said
As a human of the LGBTQ+ I thank you for for telling people to be better ally’s.
Ok why did you put how not to be in parentheses. That didn't make sense to me.
She spent so much time and effort giving this free education.
You should watch Paige why’s life stream about it and about how she was labeled a bully by Ashley Kyle and had about 70 videos made about her bc she unfollowed Ashley and Paige said she just wasn’t interested in her.
there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike jeffree star, him being gay isn’t one of them tho
PLENTY.
At the end of the day the reason Jeffree and James got more success than female makeup artists is because they are MALE! Not bc they’re gay. There. I said it. :/
@@dont_harsh_my_mellow Nah, Jeffree Star is self made. He got where he is because of his abilities, not the least of which, is being very shrewd business man.
Someone commented that word for word in Swoop's video
It is though
Also, can someone please talk about how CZcams won’t let creators say “racism,” “homophobia,” “sexism,” etc. Every time I see a video with these words censored, I get irrationally angry. I know the content creators are only doing it b/c of YT - but can someone please talk about how fucked up that is? Those are not bad or offensive words! CZcams needs to be held accountable for this!
All the commentators on the right feeling oppressed because they can’t say literal slurs and yet censorship happens for real right here in places we think are safe
I think creators in theory “can” but then they get de-monetized. I would say it is more on brands not wanting to be associated with “polemical” topics.
But totally agree! It is very frustrating having to see creators dance around YT rules to still be able to monetize their videos.
@@juliadandy6019 At the end of the day though, it is youtube making the choice that certain words and verbiage are deemed to not be brand/advertiser friendly, not the companies putting forth the advertisements themselves. There are a lot of youtubers who depend on their videos as a source, or for virtually all of their income, so the threat of de-monetization is censorship in itself. It is very sad because I think some companies likely would be okay with speaking out against racism, but youtube pretty much blocks it, and I do believe that discussing social issues being seen as inappropriate or explicit is something that youtube needs to do better at addressing. Standing up for people shouldn’t be controversial.
a gremlin with sticky hands That's because monetisation is not based on how "safe" your content is, but rather if there are advertisers looking at you or not. A makeup channel, probably run by a center-right neo-liberal (because that's where society is) can get a slap on the wrist for calling out bigotry by name, because brands don't want a face too polarising or rAdIcAl. While large conservative or an-cap CZcamsrs can get away with using slurs, racist dog whistles, and signalling the JQ while maintaining support; the people who market specifically to the alt-right do not care. Also keep in mind how right-wingers have other streams of income online, because they sell lifestyles harder than most fashion influencers. They can literally afford to take the chance.
And don't even get me started on the literal n@zi videos on this site. Like, with propaganda. Like, where the comment section is full of people with Black Suns and clown Pepes, waxing about how great Lebensraum would have been. Some of these are recommended to me, despite how many of the CZcamsrs I watch are dem-socs or an-coms.
Thank the extreme liberals
For any white women who can’t understand how Mykie’s responses to Spankie were hurtful and damaging, imagine you go to a male friend to discuss how sexism has affected you and caused you pain, and they dismiss all of it. They talk about how from their perspective, men actually have it so much harder because of the me too movement. That of course you have your experiences, but they just don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Now imagine you not only face discrimination for your sex, but also the color of your skin. All of the discrimination white women face, black women face + more.
Literally every comment from this video, is men saying that myki's not opressed and that white women don't face misogyny & opression
and that’s the most frustrating thing to me! IMO that type of attitude can change because it comes from a place of such extreme ignorance, but mykie showed no signs of wanting to learn and change whenever swoop called her out on her behavior
@Jaxtraterrestrial X no one is saying white women do not face misogyny. The only people who say shit like that are men, and that comment isnt exclusive to white women. We're saying that as a WHITE woman, she has advantages over BIPOC and LGBTQ+ because she's a white cis woman. White women do get oppressed for being women- no one is denying that, but at the end of the day, you're still WHITE. You can't see criticisms made towards one person and then bitch about other bad eggs in other communities. You doing this proves you AREN'T listening because instead of absorbing what was said, you're trying to place blame on others. "I know what Mykie said was wrong, but minorities say mean stuff too!". As soon as you say, "but", it becomes obvious that you're invalidating what was said.
And if you want to call out people for being shitty, why do you have to call out their identity? Jeffree is a shitty person because he is, not because he's gay. For you to bring up the fact that they're gay and at top men you have some sort of problem with them being gay. Mykie didn't focus on the fact that they were shitty people (James isn't shitty, he's just naive and before the drama, became very egotistical but he has humbled himself and grew), but she didnt. What she said was homophobic.
@Jaxtraterrestrial X oh god. I was with you but i don’t agree on your comparison of blackface and gay guys expressing their “feminine” side. That’s like talking about the drag community. I don’t really see how that’s the same. Blackface was used to make fun of black people and their skin color and portrayed them as clowns. Gays dressing up as woman has no correlation nor should be used against them in anyway. I think people are forgetting that gay people are still minorities. Eventho y’all say the make up business is “directed to woman” (but want equality for all but complain when a “feminine” minority takes over) is kinda stupid. Being a POC black people are not in the light as white people in this business. BUT it’s not the creators fault. THATS THE ONE THING I NEVER UNDERSTAND IS YALL GETTING MAD AND HATING THE CREATOR WHEN ITS THE PEOPLE AND YALL WHO BRING THEM UP EVERYDAY.
Well said.
I think the reason nobody “noticed” mykies behauviour is because they only watch her videos. No twitter, no instagram. For me she was just an fx channel who also was into spooky stuff.
I completely agree!! I don't use many of those platforms so I had no idea. I haven't watched her in a few years since she doesn't really do the sfx stuff anymore. It is all click bait and attention seeking now.
I agree I loved mykie. When she did videos with jeffree I side eyed but I never thought she was problematic. I didn't know any of this was going on smh
I agree, I only had watched some of her videos (stopped watching later on because, as someone already mentioned, they were clickbait-y and generally uninteresting to me), and don't have twitter and only use Instagram for friends/family, so I had never seen any of this. Glad there are people who are willing to speak up though so we can all know who we're watching!
Yup that's the case for me. I was wondering why she went silent bcs i know she talks a lot while blm movement. It's sickening. I shouldn't be surprise but seeing how cheery she is it's suprising how selfish and narcissistic she is
Thank you
When Spankie was responding to the claim “it was a different time then” and said “different to who” it hit me hard. It may have been different to them, but it hurts the same to me. People need to realize that it hurt then and it hurts now. Just because it was normal to you doesn’t mean we should get over it.
Same here. It was like a punch in the gut. I'm biracial, but have privilege because I easily pass as white. My mom was a brown Native woman and that statement hit me hard because I've heard so many horrible things being spoken to my mom over the years - and those scars were deep. You bring your pain and scars with you where ever you go, regardless of time.
Makeupry I know that feeling :(
Saaaaame omg, it really made things clear for me
The same thing for me. When the Shane Stuff happened I was like well that was sort of the humor at the time, but it was still not right. Like it’s sort of obvious but it never clicked for me until now. It hurts then and it hurts now, the only difference is that the people discriminated against finally have a platform and the support to speak out against it. This is very important for people to see
Mia B Same happened to me! With Shane and some other youtubers (who I won’t name because I’ll get attacked). They try to label you as the “sensitive one” when they’re just bad people.
also, the people claiming that Spankie 'doxxed' Mykie by mentioning her real name......no. absolutely not. Mykie HERSELF has stated her real name in videos on her channel. Spankie didn't dox her with something that is public knowledge.
That’s not even doxing. People are trying so hard to make Mykie the victim!
Exactly !
And also you can literally google her and her name pops up. 😂
Yeah if you Google Mykie’s channel name you get her full name from Wikipedia... so like... I guess these Mykie stans couldn’t be bothered to do a basic Google search on somebody that they supposedly love?
people really just reach for anything nowadays huh? grasping at air smh.
It’s not just that she did those “tutorials” about Rihanna and the airplane guy. It’s that TO THIS DAY, she resented that she had to even apologize for them. She doesn’t think they’re wrong, they’re ‘satire’. She’s gross.
I was disappointed by Mykie when on Twitter she liked a Photo of a guy dressed as dead stuffed cat. Then I saw her in different perspective, she suddenly was not "charming" cute and sensitive in my eyes anymore. Gore makeup - ok. But dead or hurt animals are the crossing line, this is not the topic to laugh or joke about. I rescued cats, one of them was shot, other was abandoned in box and left for death, other one some stupid old grandma planned to drown her because she didnt wanted her. The video with beaten Rihanna was too much for me too, I didnt know she did something like that. I am glad Spankie did her video
And it’s very telling that they were both people of color that were beat up and THAT is who she chose to make light of??
I havent seen the airplane video in a long time but i remember being under the impression she was making un of the shitty airline not the doctor that got dragged off. A someone who only watched her channel (never cared for Twitter or insta in general) and really liked her i feel like an idiot that i missed all the shit she did (of course we couldnt have known about the behind closed doors stuff but still)
She's absolutely vile and evil human being
To note Swoop's experience is EVERY black women's experience with at least 1 WW friend ( for me about a dozen or so) This type of experience doesn't happen in isolation. The courage it takes to be public about it when there is literally nothing for her to gain, and everything to lose is courage.
And the amount of backlash she is getting blaming her for not responding the way privileged consider 'appropriate' is very telling.
So what we've all learned is even though everyone is sus no one will ever be ejected from the beauty community.
Frost Stripe lmao you won the comment of the day for me. 100% agree.
Best analogy 👏👏👏
That's why i say cancel culture doesn't exist because the FAVES WILL NEVER GO away and the people who feel insulted by those actions are called snowflakes and yes people can change but those affected cannot be forced to move on 🤷♀️
It's like they're all impostor and us , the crewmates, are unable to vote them out , like we're all locked in decontamination or something xD
I live for this reference
I’ve been saying Mykie is fake woke for YEARS. She’s told me, and Arab woman, that I am “not allowed” to speak on racism (twitter). She’s actually one of the worst people on CZcams imo and no one calls her out for anything.
oh my god what was the whole interaction? that sounds awful
@@wyattnicks2283 I can’t remember what she tweeted but I said “well actually, under certain circumstances I can see why people would react negatively to POC rallies, though it in no was makes them right (paraphrasing)” and she responded with “I don’t think you have any business trying to educate me on racism (paraphrasing).” I then had to delete my twitter because of her and her toxic fans. Keep in mind that I am VISIBLY Arab lol the nose, the hair, the skintone, it’s all really easy to piece together. Super ✨fun✨
Keep that in mind too when white people are "not allowed" to speak on racism and stand aside, because many are told to shut up or sit down or "that video of you getting assaulted and being a target of a racial crime isn't racism, it's JUSTICE".
@@breem2134 an Arab person can definitely be and most often times is a white person but her experiences are still valid because anyone is capable of experiencing racism
@@breem2134 getting assaulted based on your skin isn’t racism, it’s discrimination. Racism is targeting someone based upon the “belief” that one’s race is superior. White race was always considered superior and that’s how racism formed, whites against POC’s, even though a black person assaults you because you’re white that isn’t based on being a “superior” race. Racism goes further than just disliking someone skin colour or acting upon it, it’s all the societal standards, micro aggressions, turning a blind eye and everything in between that we white privileged people don’t worry about. I was discriminated against my skin colour, I was also discriminated against my nationality/ethnicity because I am frankly Eastern European living in UK, yes I was discriminated against by a black person before, but I can tell you it wasn’t because they felt superior, it was because of the hatred they have towards white people, which of course doesn’t make it right. And I understand whites annoyance with how some black people can treat us and how they can make fun of us or discriminate against us or make remarks about us but think of this, have we not been doing the same thing towards them all this time? Now we know what it feels like, except it is not as great as for poc’s. I come from a country that’s quite heavy on the racism, and many other predominantly white countries still are
As a Black woman, I’ve lost several white “friends” this year because they refused to acknowledge 1. Their privilege and 2. That systemic racism exists. Mykie’s reaction (gaslighting, blame-shifting, victimizing herself) is common, especially among white women. Honestly, this happens a lot in friendships between Black women and White women, and it’s heartbreaking as the Black person when you realize your “friend” doesn’t actually give a sh*t about you or your human experience.
I am very sorry to read that.
Same, but... we didn't lose friends, we gained knowledge and peace in our space. I thank the people I removed from my radius for exposing themselves and allowing me to free myself from toxicity.
They lost by preferring to live in unseasoned unchallenged monochrome spaces. 😏
😔 I care about you. Sending love.
@@ao7616 thank you, I appreciate that 💛
@@spookyblaylock8853 Unseasoned 😆 I love that! But yeah, that’s basically my attitude now. It’s their loss 🤷🏾♀️
Side note: 7:40 is interesting. As a teacher, you'll notice that there are few men in the field, however despite their small numbers, they are disproportionately in higher positions (i.e. principals and superintendents.) Interesting that this is also an issue in the beauty community.
Same in the arts community! White men specifically.
It's there in the culinary arts as well. A lot of male chefs will look down on women and think they are better suited for the home kitchen instead of the professional kitchen. This is also sadly funny bc many of these men will credit their mothers as inspiration for becoming chefs in the first place. 🙃
There's a phenomenon called the "glass escalator," where men in traditionally female fields will rise through the ranks more quickly and be more successful despite it being a mostly female field. You see it a lot with nurses too (like a male nurse will be like the head nurse and all his subordinates are female).
Yeah, I remember reading a study somewhere about how men in 'female oriented' careers are so much successful and celebrated by the general public than women in male orientated jobs. It's some sort of internalized thing, you can look it up. There's a whole ass study about it.
@@scribblots602 in the fashion world too. Most of the well known designers are men. Librarians too.
There are great black women creators: Nyma Tang, Alissa Ashley, and the winner of Instant Influencer, Ashley Strong.
Amandabb, Miss Darcei, and Too Much Mouth are a few of my favs ☺️ Please check them out guys, they’re all really funny and beautiful.
Starpuppy is a black woman creator that I adore! She’s done many videos centered around 4c hair and mental health and is very genuine and wholesome :-))
Too Much Mouth, and Miss Darcei too! I adore TMM, she's so collected and chill, and Darcei is just an adorable cinnamon roll.
Olie Bolie ... are we the same person because I love them too 😳😳
I love Nyma!
“I don’t think miykee has been this unproblematic queen, I just think we haven’t held her accountable”
Couldn’t have said it any better
something that really pisses me off is that she associates herself with the alternative community yet holds these disgusting views that members of the alt community is actively running from.
SAY IT WITH ME. YOU CANT BE ALTERNATIVE WITH CLOSE MINDED VIEWS.
is she really alt or just a "I'm not like other girls!!" act?? 🤔🤔🤔
You can literally be whatever you want to be.
@@nikkiwilliams4676 the thing is you quite literally can’t it’s a contradiction it isn’t a choice thing it’s just logic where the term alternative even came from it makes no sense if anything it just makes it look even more stupid and the fact you’re using it to defend toxic behavior yikesss on your part
my issue with mykies “apology” is mostly that she kept saying those things were in the past and she’s changed or whatever but i’m like swoops video had interactions as recent as june of this year like... what
this!! exactly what i have been thinking. like girl, that was two months ago.....
I don't think she gets that microaggressions are a thing so she thinks this is all about the makeup looks.
I get the idea of maybe like oh it was 3 years ago- I've changed in the last 3 years, bug 6 months? Absolutely not
as a black woman, i understand why it took her so long to speak up. Its not easy and its scary becuase she was already getting racist and abusive comments on a daily so going up against someone who has the millions of supporters will bring her more hate. just look at her comment section.
Nah, It's because her video was premeditated & perfomative.
It was deliberatly manipulative. It's literally exactly the same as tati's, down to the same fake sighs and everything
@@Moo-fb2kb stfu. how is it provocative when she is speaking about HER EXPERIENCES????
@@alii7936 I didn't say it was provocative
@Gavin Araya sure jan.
@@Moo-fb2kb agree!! She didn't "go against her" because she was doing the same thing shes blaming mykie of, she was using her for clout+!! Why else stay and fight so hard to stay in a friendship you claim is so toxic and hurtful!? She obviously knew it would come to this at some point, why else save all these "receipts" of private conversations especially about such "high profile" youtubers!!? She knew they would come in handy eventually! Like @moo moo said this was all premeditated! She used clips of conversations that fit her narrative and made mykie out to play her perfect villain!
re: men being at the top of the beauty industry. this is true for all predominantly female fields, like hairstyling or nursing, being a man in those fields gives you such an advantage.
Exactly.
Men are at the top of all industries, not just the beauty one.
Mykie was never Swoops friend, plain and simple. Friends don’t do that to friends. Glad that she spoke out. I hope she has real friends who actually care and treat her like a proper friend.
A lot of those influencers that “didn’t care if they lost followers” haven’t posted anything else in support of BLM since the “black square Tuesday” day. Quote me!
I'm the tiniest shit on this planet but I rage quit Insta the day Mr Floyd was assaulted and murdered. I finished a story I hade been working on for some months, and encouraged everyone I knew to quit Insta (bc Zuckerberg owns insta and he is a massive racist and works with the Ttump administration!!) and start using eyeEM instead.
I haven't been regularly active on social media (other than CZcams and LinkedIn lol) since 2017. But social media was fizzling out for me around 2015. I used to post so much everywhere, but I hated the toxicity. I think everyone would actually enjoy not being on social media after a while of trying it
@@whatisinanameanyway7356 yeah let's not give more money to zucc
@@whatisinanameanyway7356 I rage quit Facebook awhile back because I blame them for having Trump as president and so 💯 agree on Zuckerberg.
@Gavin Araya yikes
As a Black person, I knew a Mykie, unfortunately. But I finally grew and recognized that someone belittling and minimizing my experiences in this world is violent and destructive. We can disagree about many things; my experience with racism is not one of them.
As a black woman I want you to know that nobody can invalidate what you went through. You and your struggles are yours and your victories are all yours as well. People can ignore it, but nobody can take it away. You have so much love and acceptance in this world
Olie Bolie can I just say I see you in so many of my communities and you’re always spreading love and positivity. thank you for being beautiful ♥️
You didn’t deserve that disrespect and dehumanization. I’m so sorry. I’m happy for you that you could grow from them. And I hope anyone else in your shoes, or Spanky’s shoes, can as well. 🥺
Your experience is valid, and I'm sorry you felt this way. I hope you're getting help for your trauma.
huh. You mean just like how Spankie belittled and minimized Mykies personal experience with racism? When Mykie opened up about working at a makeup store and having black customers tell her that she couldnt help them because she was white... and Spankie straight up said that that wasn't racist? WTF!?? It IS racist. And to play it off as "Just getting offended over makeup" 100% diminishes Mykies experience. Spankie invalidated Mykies racism encounters and that seems pretty racist to me, based off that situation ALONE.
To anyone who’s interested in hearing more about why white men and white-passing men are the most popular influencers in a field that is considered to be a woman’s field, I suggest you guys watch Amandabb’s video “Who has the most privilege in the beauty community” as it’s one of my personal favorite videos discussing the topic. Please y’all,,, listen to bipoc content creators, especially black female content creators - a lot of these subjects that seem like a shock to you now, they’ve been discussing for a very long time.
Thank you, gonna go check this out. The beauty community has turned out to be a pretty interesting microcosm for sociology
The BLM movement this year should have been a time of self reflection for non black people so Mykie not reaching out to Spankie, her once black best, about the things she said in the past baffles me. Just goes to show Mykies activism on social media was performative and nothing more. Disappointing
well said
Seeing her say that minorities get more opportunities was so hurtful, she does not know even HALF of what we have to do to be heard or even seen.
Many minorities can't even get past the resume stage the moment an employer spots an "ethnic" sounding name. Many gay people are instantly fired after their employer finds out about their sexuality. Many black women are constantly told that their natural hair is not suitable for a working environment. If you're going to talk about inequality of opportunities, you have to at least know some of the many inequalities within work that minorities face for existing
@@kayladawn5270 Um yea, I know that I’m a minority......but thanks for telling me what we go through even though I already know that ❤️
@@kayladawn5270 Idek what you were trying to do with this comment, cause I clearly stated I was a minority but go off?
Phish Fuud oh I thought she was agreeing with you and talking about Glamgore’s comments. Either way the whole thing reminds me of people saying that minorities have easier times getting into college due to “equal opportunity” programs. Like it literally has equal in the name, as in to (try) equal out the privilege white people start with? How are people that dumb?
There have been some cases where a company has selected a woman or minority over white or men to appear as more diverse which in itself is discriminatory. One case being Gloucestershire police a couple of years ago here in the UK and this was reported on, I've heard of many more of it during my studies too. I don't know how common it is across the world or the situation in America.
i think it’s very interesting how mykie has played into the BLM movement when she’s literally doing everything she’s speaking against
I think it’s because she doesn’t/didn’t know she was doing it. It’s super easy (speaking as a white person) to be like “Oh my gosh I would never use the n-word. I’m not racist.” It’s a lot harder to actually dig into your behavior and examine your own privilege. I think she genuinely supports BLM and is rightfully disturbed by the extreme racism happening, but she hasn’t fully understood how she herself contributes to the problem. She hasn’t done the work on herself and it’s so apparent.
Brittany Reese understand where you’re coming from however at so many points Spankie made it clear for mykie that what she was saying was wrong. if it “wasn’t clear enough” it’s been bc mykie chose not to listen, and because she was afraid to be hurt by mykie on the basis of race.
Brittany Rees i think (as a white passing person) its very privileged to say well i support blm but its hard to look inward, well then you don’t actually support blm bc your first ideas would be to jump at how you impact and use your white privilege.
@@birdyposting I 1000% agree with you. My point wasn’t that Mykie is absolved because of her ignorance. My point was more that on a larger scale, I’ve seen this be an issue because sooooo many white people who have no idea what they’re talking about see protests and go “Racism is bad.” And then post a fist in their bio and call it a day, feeling good about themselves. That’s what I think Mykie did and what was the root of this issue. She had both the arrogance and the ignorance to think she was not only not doing anything wrong but that anyone criticizing her was wrong.
Yeah I was naive enough to think that she used her platform to just bring awareness, and learning now that she just did it for virtue signaling and to gain more followers is truly disgusting.
Even in mykie's apology, she STILL made herself the victim. Her narcissistic traits are really showing through.
I didn't find her channel until a few years ago but after watching a few videos I didn't subscribe because I got narcissist vibes from her. Same with Anthony Padilla funnily enough lol they make content that seems tailor made for my interests but I find them so off-putting.
When you said "stop it.."
I thought you were about to say "stop it.. Get some help"
Ya know like the meme.. My mind jumped to that lol
I'm so glad you understood what I was getting at 😂
I did not like mykie’s “apology” I HATE when people “apologize” and then in the same breath say “oh all of this context was left out” it just completely invalidates how people feel. I understand context is a thing but in this situation I felt it didn’t apply. mykie mentioning she was also sexually assaulted did not negate how she treated spankie’s experience with sexual assault. So why mykie even brought it up didn’t make sense
i think she also sided with your argument in her apology. she said the context didn’t matter and what mattered was how she made spankie feel. mykie mentioning her sexual assault was more to be like “i understand where she was coming from and didn’t mean to hurt her because i myself am a victim of sexual abuse and know how that feels”, so it was more advocation. i completely understand ur frustration but this is just my perspective.
honeysana ahh I appreciate your perspective! I can’t remember exactly what mykie said but I remember that one part that pissed me off 😂
I personally feel that even mentioning context not mattering while providing it, adds to the gaslighting that was mentioned in Spankies video.
What always pisses me off on these "apologies" is they act like what they did was so far in the past when it wasn't and how they are a changed person now 🙄
Alex McCarthy right, like it didn’t need to be said at all
Steve Irwin once said even though it's the most venomous snake on the planet, he'd rather deal with the Inland Taipan snake then most people.
Gotta say I agree with that sentiment.
I am SO glad you are talking about this. The comments on SWOOP’s video are absolutely appalling and it’s disturbing that anyone can watch that video and see her pain and come back and deny her experience. We all have so much work to do....we have the power to right our wrongs and now is the time to make it happen.
As a woman of color and LGBTG+ it’s honestly so good to find a person how isn’t here making videos for views but genuinely cares it’s honestly so happy to see.
James Charles and Jeffrey Star are at the top not because they’re gay, but because they are WHITE MEN.
Spankie’s video was quite enlightening, definitely shed a light on the topic for me. Very well made and mapped out.
Yes I agree! Samantha ravendahl sort of touched on this in a more accurate way when she made her shane Dawson video. Mykie felt something like this but in a toxic, harmful way.
I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE. Why In one of the few female dominated industries are the top two creators in the industry white men?!?!
I think it's also important to mention that they as gay men are more patable for a lot of us heteros (not me, I grew up in a extremely homophobic area where I saw I gay people get bullied, their truth doesn't scare me). I think because jeffree star and james charles are such massive walking stereotypes people think they are woke for liking them, as they fit into what their narrative of what a gay man is. There's a lot of james charles and jeffree star fans who have "homophobia lite", as they typically use them as the gay "I'm not racist I have a black friend". But if you ask them to support another smaller, perhaps more "masc" lgbt creator they say "well they aren't really creative or different like jeffree star". Which is code for "this person defies my comfort zone of what I think is acceptable for lgbt people".
And because they cause DRAMA, drama sells... But the thing is like you said WHITE MEN.
@@likewow2197 Absolutely! This is said so well, tokenisation sucks.
Happy you made this video. Already kind of disappointed to see a ton of drama channels with titles like “MYKIE SHADED JEFFREE STAR” and totally just... missing the entire point. This isn’t drama. This is a teachable moment for many white influencers to understand how they’re contributing to racism on this platform.
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Couldn't agree more. If I hadn't watched Swoop's video myself I'd think everyone was just mad at her for talking shit.
i saw someone said that their videos might not get pushed out if they put words like "racism" in their titles bcs of the guidelines or algorithm just like how they get demonetised if they say certain words in their videos but i might be wrong.
@@jeonghanfication that’s fair. Mostly, I’m disappointed in drama channels milking this conversation for content and not understanding Spankie’s point. It’s like the microaggressions are an afterthought and the real news is Mykie doesn’t like Jeffree Star.
@@brees3 true. i think a lot of them see it as content and think that petty drama consisting of who's talking shit about who would attract/appeal to more viewers than issues about racism. 😕
The fact that Spankie's video has 5 Thousand dislikes is a problem.
exactly
Right!!
Over 700 dislikes for this too!
But, on the other hand, she has 64000 likes. That should also tell you something. Don't just focus on the negative.
It isn’t, it’s normal. Videos like that generally get that amount of dislikes because she’s speaking against Mykie, who presumably has die hard fans who will defend her even if she murdered someone and let’s not forget people who are exactly like Mykie, who use microaggressions so Spankie’s video is like a personal attack to them.
as a minority whose community is still very much underrepresented to this day, her seemingly upset that white people are not getting enough opportunities bc they’re too white despite her claiming to be this ally was enough for me to unsubscribe to her. imagine how tired we are to have to settle for crumbs of representation, and even some of those crumbs are still filled with racial stereotypes. i have been a subscriber for YEARS- i’m talking since her nyx face awards days. i really trusted her and respected her as a content creator so i’m absolutely disappointed and hurt to learn that this is who she really is behind the scenes.
The way Mykie has a stack of microagressive reverse uno cards ready at any moment...please stop.
Literally, it’s like she’s constantly having arguments in her head so she’s ready for any backlash
@@IzzyAndAndy wait, is this a bad thing? (not the micro aggressions obviously, but planning different outcomes of a conversation) I always do this and I always thought it was because of me being anxious that I’ld always get proved wrong, no matter what, even if I think I’m 110% right. So I just prepare to the best of my abilities for any reply that they might have, in fear I may seem like I look like I don’t know what I’m talking about. Like I even try to plan out where a conversation may be headed, so I can know when to properly interject. Maybe it’s the anxiety and trauma talking but, is this genuinely a bad thing that no one does? I’m very curious, please let me know please!! (also thanks for listening to my ramble-)
@@nanawestwood I think everyone does this, FWIW. I sure do. I think it's a problem when you dismiss and belittle someone's experiences of bigotry while you're doing it, though.
I loved it when Swoop said: would you become black by choice? Would you become a Gay man by choice. Knowing how hard they have both had it. No I don't think you would. Makes you think don't it!
That was such a powerful part in her video! It was just so on point.
It broke my heart for them
I'm was a giant fan of mykie but as a black woman and just as a person I'm don't think I can support her anymore. As someone who got into makeup and fx BECAUSE of her it doesn't feel great.
Madeyewlook is a great spooky channel as an alternative, and she is very focused on creating inclusive community
@@annapettit8045 i’ve been watching her longer than mykie but lex is more body paint focused not exactly what i’m into
The amount of people saying it’s not homophobic for Mykie to harshly scrutinize gay men who are successful in the Beauty Community is wild. Even Smokey said it, it has absolutely nothing to do with them being gay. As a lesbian all this homophobia makes my head and heart ache. I can’t even begin to imagine how much Spankie is hurting right now. Her video broke my heart.
This isn’t related but you and I have the same last name. I haven’t met anyone I wasn’t related to, have my last name.
Not even surprised anymore. Every big youtuber has disappointed me either they turn out to racist or homopbic or transphobic. I hope the new wave of top youtubers whenever they show up aren't ignorant
Agreed 💁♂️ like I need all the garbage taken out like right now, and people who honestly are just genuine with their content and intention
I'm worried that it won't happen. Humble people are apparently not the majority of people who aim to make money off of their appearance or opinions, seems like the "unproblematic" people are just 'smart' enough to learn from others mistakes- they can be racist but realize they will profit off of more people if they are only racist in private
I just think we need to stop expecting human beings we don't know to be good people lol like at this point I'm just not shocked by any of these things
@@amila_ True but I wish it wasn't so hard to find a bigger creator to be someone with basic human decency. Like I dont see anyone helping the homeless but being racist isn't that high of a bar.
@@recluseren Probably not but one can only hope that people who have huge influence especially with younger kids aren't pure racist homopbic dirtbags.
I haven't followed Mykie in a long time because she got boring to me. Her being in drama actually doesn't surprise me. She gives off this arrogance in her videos that turns me off.
This is exact sentiment
Same here I watched her years ago and then completely forgot she was still revelant.
This
I wanted to give Mykie the benefit of the doubt and not go on ~vibes~ alone but. Guess it's best to trust your gut.
same !! i tried to get into her and her content years ago but idk she just gave me bad vibes , she just felt kinda mean and arrogant and i couldn't stick with it
I really wonder what Anthony's response will be. He has called out Trisha, will he call out his own gf?
I’m not an influencer but as a black girl I’ve had far too many experiences with gaslighting and micro aggressions very similar to what she discussed in the video. It brought me to tears and she’s so amazing for coming out and talking about such a serious and scary experience.
I’m so happy you’re talking about this! This came out of left field for me personally, and I was really disappointed to learn these things about Mykie. TBH I watch Swoop more now as I’ve grown older, but damn. I always thought Mykie was pretty down-to-earth but this has clearly shown a lot of shitty traits she has.
fr, I honestly feel awful that I had no idea about this stuff. I really thought that she was this nice person and I really, really hope that she seriously reflects on herself now. :1
Same. I only knew about the airlines flight sfx debacle and I gave her the benefit of the doubt she made a really stupid decision... pretty shocking but I am glad I know now.
honestly this whole thing has me side eyeing Anthony too i watch his videos all the time and him being with someone who acts this way while speaking on so many issues leaves me to wonder if all his content is just as performative as Mikey
I used to be a fan of Anthony when he was in smosh, as of now I don’t view him as much but he does make me question him.
I really do hope he doesn’t end up like mykie tho
yup! The call is coming from INSIDE the house
@@ParanoiaRiot21 same this is getting tired
@@lauraaponte1611 honestly, i’m so over these “influencers” getting “exposed” i don’t even expect anything from them and they still manage to disappoint me 🥴
Right? I saw comments saying she cant be that bad bc Anthony is with her like... it's more likely that it's the opposite. People hang out with people like them. Also people saying he maybe didnt know? But if you actually care about these things, I think you bring things up and pick up on tones. They've been dating a whole year, it's so weird to immediately try and dismiss or say hes been deceived???
Thank you Hannah you touched on something I’ve never seen addressed in a video when you find out one of your favs is bigoted it HURTS. I remember when the Laura Lee tweets came out of her making jokes about police brutality it was like a kick in the gut that my makeup “friend” not only didn’t care that as a Black person I feel in danger in my own country because of police she actually thought it was funny. It wasn’t anger I felt it was hurt and disappointment.
I always got “not like other girls” vibes from Mykie. I liked some of her content, but could never get into it.
the tutorial of the Asian man's injuries..... and the Rhianna tutorial.... what kind of person does this for ~content~ ??? Someone else's trauma is not your content. some things could be explained away with further context (text messages) sure. but those things simply can't be explained away and idk how she can apologize for that tbh.
Not to mention like the way she did it is so disrespectful... like I think it never be okay to do this kind of... SFX about a real person who suffered violence, like the fact that she mentioned it was a rihanna look is so disgusting, literally no words. Fuck you in every way shape or form for minimalizing this thing, especially with how many women die per year throughout the world due to domestic abuse....
But in my mind, I'm picturing a world were she could have done like a domestic violence SFX for good. Like imagine if instead of clickbating Rihanna in the tittle, she just called it "a talk about domestic violence" without naming real people, and then she could do the bruises and talk the entire time about domestic violence stats in the world and US, how it affects different communities, the fact that men can also be victims, and how abuse isn't just physical violence but also emotional... so like an educational video, with a disclaimer that the bruises were illustrative or to make a point, but should not be taken as her minimising real life abuse, and then she could have donated the profits from the video to a non-profit for domestic violence and left links for others to do same. Still topical, but educational.
The airline thing like... I just can't eve fathom why she likes mocking humans so much
She even tried to say it was just dark humour when she got some backlash over the videos smh 🤦🏻♀️ Rihanna was abused and that man was drag off the plane and beat, I don’t find any humour in that. That’s sick.
She and whichever Paul who filmed at laughed at suicide victims in Japan seem to share whatever sick humor it is.
Idk how anyone could think those tutorials were ok. They were both deeply disturbing. Also, how tf did CZcams allow them in the first place?
Not saying it's okay but it's not like she was the only one to do that, if you look there were a lot of weird people doing this! I remember it was even a trend at one point!
I'm sick of Trisha getting involved she is the last person to talk about this!
You're definitely right she should stay in her lane, but in her defense mikey and anthony came for her because of the whole DID thing, and trisha was definitely disrespectful about it, however anthony and mikey had no right to just bash her for talking about her obvious mental health issues. I think thats why she felt the need to insert herself, like an I told you so.
ella point blank Trisha was making awful videos about DID right after Anthony had made a documentary style video about it. So I do think they had room to comment on what trish was doing at the time.
It's her schtick to be wherever the drama is lol
She really has no room to talk about any of this. She's calling out Mykie for bashing mental illness while making fun of DID and completely down playing gender dysphoria. She's out here calling Mykie a homophobe, while she has claimed to be basically every sexuality just for views, and has said that conversion therapy works and isn't that bad.
I get that she's usually trolling, but it doesn't negate the fact that her actions cause harm. I'm not defending Mykie either, but Trisha really shouldn't act all high and mighty when she's no better than her.
Mika did Trisha do it on her Instagram or CZcams I can’t see anything but maybe I’m not looking in the right place
I watched Spankie's video last night, and it truly did not feel like an hour long. It was educational, eye opening, and well thought out.
The energy and tone you have in this video is exactly what I was hoping to see when these “drama” channels are talking about this situation. It is such a serious and frustrating topic and I can see your emotions and stance through your well thought out words. You truly care about these topics and something so refreshing to see thank you for caring.
TBH - as a gay man. It’s not painful. It’s a numb shrug- when stuff like this is revealed.
What’s gross/insane to me is that she would collab with the people she has so much destain for - just to get subs. That’s what I would call morally bankrupt. I hope she learns from this.
Lastly, although I’m a gay man - I’m also white. So that comes with extreme privilege. I could never relate my experience with what black people face every second of every day. But I can empathize and be an ally. And that’s what I am - every day. For my black friends and for all ppl of color in the office and on the street.
Dude I know, seeing her literally shit talk and be blatantly homophonic, but then jump on their channels and be fake nice was so eerie and disgusting.
You’re admirable and adorable. Are you single?
@Jaxtraterrestrial X illustrate some examples?
@@GravyGoodbread ;) single
White men have always been successful in the makeup industry, look at old Hollywood with Max Factor and Whitey Snyder, or Kevin Aucoin in the 80s, and the SFX industry has been male dominated too. JC and J* act like being a man in the makeup industry is groundbreaking when it truly isn’t, and Mykie is just as clueless. There is no way to hand-out subscribers to minorities or marginalised people.
It's interesting that the Mykie stans are being so aggressive considering Mykie said so herself in one of the texts that her community "used to be sweet" and now they're toxic. So apparently she talks shit about her audience, too.
^^^THIS^^^
I just made it 69 likes, nice👌
And EXACTLYYY
Im no stan. I don't and have never liked myki. She is entitled & bigoted.
But that video was a calculated, hypocritical, manipulative, premeditated fake woke attack on someone else for personal gain.
Its literally tati's bye sister
@@Moo-fb2kb Could you explain to me what hypocrisy and manipulation is in the video?
there’s one thing i do want to say; i think people online often misuse the word “gaslight”. those texts from mykie to spankie are awful, no doubt, but they don’t seem like gaslighting. i understand how language works and i’m not a descriptivist, but i think the word gaslight is very important. it refers to a very specific type of abuse where the abuser makes the victim doubt their sanity. it comes from a play (later adapted to film) called gaslight. a married couple, gregory and paula, move into a house, and gregory slowly starts hiding and moving things and blames it on paula. at one point when paula hears foot steps in the attic and sees a gas light dim and brighten, gregory tells her that she’s imagining things. he puts his pocket watch in her purse and accuses her of stealing it. she starts to think she is crazy and can’t trust her memory or perception. this is gaslighting. i don’t mean to diminish how bad mykie’s texts were at all, i just think the term gaslighting is very important and should not be misused. (this isn’t to say mykie didn’t gaslight spankie, i don’t know, i wasn’t there. it’s just that the texts spankie shows don’t really look like it. this has nothing to do with spankie, it’s more generally just about how we use the term gaslight
If you in anyway are sending Spankie hate. Just know you're part of the problem.
Really glad you are talking about this. Micro-aggressive behavior like Mykie’s is way way more common than people think and it really is one of the more insidious, covert tools of racism because of how hard it is to call out. Glad Swoop spoke out about it, and I hope that people will actually hold Mykie accountable.
This!
Facts👏🏼👏🏼
I hope all the people defending mykie and saying “she was soooo unproblematic!!” In Angelika’s comment section see this. Mykie hasn’t been unproblematic for years now, her privilege made it so that people just swept it under the rug. I’ve seen more outrage now towards Swoop than I ever saw for Mykie even when she put out that Rihanna video and the Asian man on the AA flight. 🙄
I don’t watch Mykie’s content, but hearing about those two offensive “makeup tutorials” makes me wonder how I’ve never heard her name in a bad light until today! Similar with J*, how do some people defend him? I guess with Mykie there must’ve been some white privilege at hand
I've been watching mykie casually for so many years, I am not a viewer of every video, I can't believe I missed all of those horrible ones. Did she take them down shortly after uploading? Idk if say I watch about 50% of her content, and most long form content I just put on in the background and don't necessarily digest it... Honestly I just didn't see this coming, I'm very disappointed. I'm not active on social media so I feel bad for missing the signs I guess
Welcome to white privilege. Amazing you didn't realize it existed until now that spankie put the video out. White people have no idea what it is like to be a person of color. And you can't take your skin color off to try to get a good paying job. People who claim they aren't racist have there heads up there behinds because if they sat down with a person of color and we asked questions guess what? They are racist and it's there behavior is so normal to them they thought they weren't.
@@PatriciaGarcia-ip6ge I didn't see the bad videos...?
@@symphonia-ix1478 I'm not white and I haven't heard of these videos either. I was a fan of Mykie when I was a teen and occasionally watch her new vids but I don't use social media outside of CZcams.
Whether they mean to target you or not, being resentful towards white people will do no us no good. We all have privilege.
hearing that creators i enjoyed and have merch from being homophobic and racist makes me feel so... dumb and sad. especially as someone that doesn't use twitter or anything, it usually takes a minute for me to get a lot of info about situations like this. thank you for explaining the situation and for suggesting swoop's channel!
Props for your own self awareness and taking responsibility for not noticing before. Very refreshing. And a great teaching moment. Worth much more than empty performative gestures. 👏🏽♥️
I see so many people defending Mykie and as a long time viewer of hers and a black woman, please put yourself in Spankie’s shoes. I know it’s hard but please. It really hurts to know people in this world think this behavior is okay. It hurt even more to learn that Glam and Gore was not the safe place I thought her channel was.
I loved Mykie. I thought she was serious about the BLM movement and wanting to educate people on the matter. This is so disappointing to find this out about her. I don’t really pay attention to twitter, so I never knew about her tweets. This is just massively disappointing.
@@emilyantus2025 dont support this behaviour by unfollowing her
Emily Antus this is exactly how i experienced it ://
Same. Like literally. As a black women and as a bisexual women, mykie's behavior is just......eww
Same here 🤦🏽♀️ I always felt uncomfortable about following the people I look up to in social media outside of CZcams and now I realized it because I’m scared to find out the truth that these white influencers will reveal themselves to be awful people and when you’re a person of color specifically a black woman that is always a fear.
Imagine making it to the trending page MULTIPLE times and complaining about it saying minority creators receive hand outs??? Where are these hand outs? As a POC on this platform I would genuinely like to know since I must be missing out. 🙄
I'm genuinely just blow away. Even in more mainstream entertainment, a white woman just has to be okay looking with an alright voice and she can easily become famous. But then on the flip side, black and latina artists are constantly shit on for talking about big butts and not being "meaningful". Every single black and latina who has gotten famous mainstream wise or social media wise has had to fight tooth and nail to get anywhere. Think of Nyma Tang, a beautiful dark skinned black woman, she even won a creator award, appeared on Vogue's "go to bed with me" series and still is not nearly as popular as clowns like Mykie. Seriously, I want to know what fucking planet this bitch on. She seriously sounds like an old racist Republican talking about how black people bring on their own pain because they "like government hand outs". Mykie is just another white woman up her own ass.
That didn’t make sense to me, what handouts are there with youtube? Does she think all POC and gay MUAs get a bonus 1mil followers upon signing up?
It is soooooo refreshing to listen to your commentary videos. Your social work study/career definitely shows. The self-awareness, cognitive behavioral thinking & processing you have is amazing. It makes me wonder how others don’t?? But a LOT of ppl aren’t self-aware, & they are in the dark about themselves & the world around them. Pls keep doing videos like this & bringing awareness to these important topics ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Seeing all of Mykie’s white subs/supporters criticize Spankie for the video absolutely kills me. Guess what? YOU are not the one’s being oppressed and treated unfairly every day of your lives. YOUR existence has never been controversial. YOU have no right to be critical of something that YOU have never been through.
**white men** being at the top of the beauty community! it’s very significant
yessss
Hate to say it even my absolute fav and 100% non problematic youtuber is a white male. Robert Welsh he's growing leaps and bounds. It can't be said that's not somewhat down to his privilege.
@@jaynecarney7567 Wayne Goss is one of my favourites too, but he also proves Mykie wrong with the gay-privilege thing. He’s a white male but has grown slowly over the years because he is open about not doing sponsorships for products he doesn’t actually like and hasn’t been approached a lot by companies because of it. He doesn’t give into hype or show off PR all the time so he’s not getting that kind of viewership. Except I trust him and actually follow his makeup advice!
I only know Mykie as Anthony's girlfriend and she seemed really genuine.
Edit after watching the video: Wow... I don’t care about her individually but this just makes me wonder what kind of a person Anthony really is to be dating such a person... also, this micro aggression in the beauty community NEEDS to stop. White people are too comfortable with their racism and it shows.
Is this Anthony Padilla??
MorbidMaddi yeah :(
Bs
Yes! If you watch his interview with Beauty CZcamsrs, she is in it and they say that they are dating
In Spankies video she talks about how Anthony apparently keeps complaining that Hollywood won't cast white people anymore... so it seems he shares the same views as Mykie
EDIT: I was confused, it was her ex bf that was mentioned, not Anthony
I'm so glad you're talking about this, you're so level-headed and really put things into perspective.
I am so grateful for your channel! It’s as if you are literally conversing one and one with your subs, and your openness is super refreshing.
Yup putting an “apology” to your Instagram stories, where no one can see comments, is very cowardly. Also I hope you’re doing well ❤️
I think she felt like she had to say something asap, but didn't really wanted/was ready to deal with hate... I really hope she is truly rethinking everything right now and will soon release a proper public apology as well as privately
Isn't Mykie dating Anthony Padilla? I'm curious to see how he responds considering how his content is all about inclusivity right now...
Right. His channel has all these great interviews and it goes skin deep about people’s lives, how tf did she not educate herself with any of those videos?
@@SassyNugget208 this is why I’m not buying it. If she was that bad he would not continue to date her. He’s a cool dude.
@@TiggiTheWillful the messages are clearly real. her past tweets are clearly real. the problematic makeup looks are clearly real. mykie was seen as a “cool dude” before this was revealed too. if she acted like this with her black best friend, i highly doubt she wasn’t acting like this with her white boyfriend.
@@TiggiTheWillful He probably doesn't even know about this side of her, or he knows what she has told him so far. She could be a trash ass person without us knowing, I mean we've gone this far without knowing this whole part about her so I don't blame him at all if he wasn't aware. I do have hope for him. Regardless with context or not, I've unsubscribed to Mykie because some things she said just seemed really wrong.
@@TiggiTheWillful You're not buying the tweets and videos she publicly made?
If Mykie had truly changed, she would have come forward before being "exposed". That's what normal people do when they're sorry and they know they did something wrong.
I rarely believe these apologies because they always come after a backlash, like damage control.
Imagine producing the same stale content for a decade and blaming reverse racism for your downfall 🙃
LMAO
I’ve actually been a really big fan of Mykie for a long time. I’m just so disappointed in her.
I ( a black woman) watched mykie while I was going through a hard time in my life. It honestly hurts to see that this is her true character.
Think we also need to talk about that she’s dating Anthony Padilla, another golden boy of CZcams. If she acted this way with friends, bet she had this kinda of behavior around him too. I can only imagine the things she said to him about other youtubers, including Spanky. Regardless if he’s ever said or done anything publicly problematic like her, he is condoning her actions which is a form of condoning racism. He needs to be called out too.
Not to mention she AND James Charles were in his beauty guru video...shady
You just got a subscriber. I love the way you spoke about the situation to inform and not degrade. I love how positive you are and how empathetic you are to the feelings of those affected. Overall great content! Keep doing what you're doing!
I knew how seriously you would take this and I appreciate that you are bringing this to your channel. There are people really pushing this below the rug. I believed Spanky immediately. She looked so heartbroken. It really just made sense and mykyes apology was awful and it made it all about herself
it is so sad that the conversation isnt "how do we fix this?" it is "do we believe her?" this is why people dont get called out. if people are too scared to be raked over the coals for coming forward, less will be held accountable.very commendable of her to come forward and speak so eloquently about it. someone has to be the first through the wall, and unfortunately they get it the worst.
I didn't like how some people were more concerned about mykie being called out and to me if that's all you saw in that video than maybe you need to be more educated as well because that video was full of teachable moments. No shade towards anyone who works at mac but back in the day a lot of black girls were all given the shade nw45 no matter how dark or light you were. It was years before I got my correct shade which was 5 shades deeper.
Agreed. I learned a lot more about microaggressions and how I can do better than anything. She used it as a huge teaching moment instead of just being angry and petty, which she has every right to be.
I found it incredibly disgusting how some people were acting like the whole situation was unnecessary drama between friends. Mykie and people who behave like her don't just impact their friends, but entire communities. It's something that has every right to be discussed.
For sure, it's tone policing. Another micro aggression. People of privilege do not get to decide what or how marginalized express their anger about being discriminated against.
Jesus. I liked Mykie's content but she started rubbing me the wrong way when she got into bodybuilding competitions because that's just such a toxic, unhealthy industry. I actually made a comment on her recent video about Instagram about how it's a lot easier to get famous on social media when you're thin and white and conventionally pretty and her stans kinda slammed me. The lack of acknowledgement of her privilege from her or her community really bothered me.
I did not realize that was only the tip of the iceberg.
Tazzie1312 exactly! The minute that weight loss video came out, I had to unsubscribe. I have never struggled with weight or EDs, but that video made me cry and feel like shit about my body. I knew it was time to dip at that point
@@annapettit8045 I refused to watch it because I refuse to support that kind of content and the harm it does and I found it really irresponsible.
As a body builder. I fucking disagree completely. I live in Europe and most women into body building here are amazing. Idk what was your experience but you don't have the right to blame US ALL for what some people might've done or said to you.
@@annapettit8045 If you're pro obesity you aren't woke either! That was just a video about her enjoying a new change. If that's the real reason you're here and not her racism then you're just petty and part of the problem.
@@annapettit8045 Made you cry? Get help! I'm sorry I'm bipolar and have depression BUT YOU SHAMING US FOR GIVING UP OBESITY AND ALCOHOLISM IS THE MOST TOXIC THING EVER. WANT A CHANGE? MAKE IT! DON'T SHIT ON MY HARD WORK BECAUSE YOU HATE YOURSELF AND YOU NEED TO EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATE SOMEONE TO FEEL BETTER!
Thank god more people are making videos on this.
I angrily filmed one last night hoping Swoop’s story would come to light.
And thank god bigger creators are speaking on it. Because I just desperately want things to change!
Mykie has never been unproblematic. I unfollowered her years ago because she was either saying a lot of ableist stuff in a video of hers or doing some kind of racist SFX video, not exactly sure which (could have been both) but I think it most likely was the ableist language because I unfollowed another SFX artist here on youtube for a racist SFX tutorial around the same time (this was years ago). And no one back then really cared to unfollow her for that kind of stuff. So I'm not surprised that this has come out.
Do you recall who the other SFX creator was? I follow a few and I’d like to weed out the bigots.
it makes me wanna throw up looking at all the white people on twitter getting mad at swoops for “exposing mykie”, saying that mykie is completely unproblematic. racism isnt tea and it seems a lot of them havent understood that yet. its really hard to trust white people tbh bc so many of them think that way
@@olhydra Gosh, it was years ago. I do remember it was a makeup look based on that racist horror movie The Green Inferno.
Can I ask what ableist stuff you're talking about?
emily emily same... i can’t believe how many people were calling swoop out for “saying racist things against white people” in the comments of her video. they just don’t get it and its so frustrating... it probably took alot of courage for her to post that video and i can’t imagine what it must feel like to have people STILL invalidating her feelings, calling her racial slurs and a snowflake, and telling her she’s in the wrong. this was clearly something that took her a long time to come to terms with
I’ve seen people say that she shouldn’t of shown the private messages but if she didn’t would have people believed her? Yeah there were the tweets but with the messages Swoop was showing her personal experience was like with Mykie.
exactly
Mykie's stans use that kind of argument to invalidate Spankie's feeling
People who are mad about receipts have too many people running around with receipts on them. That was the only way people would ever believe spankie think about the mean things people say to her- especially about her appearance (e.g all racially motivated IMO or with racial undertones) and also how many big people back mykie. and also think about what people say about mykie and her appearance (again racial undertones but think "good" now) I'm over it. show the receipts take your power back.
If you're sceenshooting convos then you're kinda a sus friend. I can judge her for being a lil toxic in that regard.. But I get what you mean.
@@Rigiroony It's pretty obvious Spankie just scrolled back on her phone on the thread. Not everyone deletes texts constantly.
This was a very well articulated sum up. I’m actually also intrigued by a video exploring that the misogyny that aids men in the beauty community.
So glad to have come across this channel.✨
She’s so pretty and the way she approaches the topics 👏🏾👏🏾
She rarely posts videos and takes breaks for months at a time... of course her channel isn't as big as James Charles'. And she got popular for horror makeup and then CZcams started de-monetizing those videos so she had to change her content and viewership went downwards but clearly the channel is still successful
Okay right?! She just took like a 6 month break from her channel and rarely does SFX makeup when she does post so like??? I followed her on twitter before all of this and I obviously noticed how much she complains about the CZcams algorithm and how her videos don’t get pushed and don’t get views and I was just like...🧐??? Your whole channel changed? You don’t post? How do you expect to compete with people who post relevant content regularly? And I am not a fan of James or J* so this is in no way defending them.
@@leahbelieva yes, her channel is super random in terms of content and she doesn't consistently upload. I subscribe to her and never found anything she uploaded problematic since I subscribed pretty recently relative to how long she has been on youtube and have never followed her on Instagram or Twitter. Still, no idea why she complains when she can disappear for half a year and come back and still get a million views: most creators couldn't do that
Why did YT demonetized her horror makeup? Does YT does that to others as well for the scary make-up? I am curious, never knew this.
I looked up to Mykie as a creator. I always loved her style and how she used her platform to educate the masses. I didn't watch any of her content that has been brought forth as problematic, so I was blissfully ignorant to all of this. I hate that Spankie went through this, and I hate that Mykie has likely done this to other people, too. It is obvious that all of her activism has been performative and that she cannot handle the pressure of her platform. I'm glad Spankie had the strength to speak up on all of this.
Thank you so much for highlighting and bringing to light this impactful subject. It’s super difficult to hear, but imperative to be heard! Though I know it’s not why you’ve shared the content, I’m thankful to have had it brought to my attention in a way that it may not have been for me otherwise.
Can everyone just give a round of applause to Hannah and a standing ovation for Swoop? Tbh I've always loved Mykie BUT I did notice she did have some "mean girl" moments in almost every video. This is way more serious than just being a mean girl, I know. This video touched on some GREAT points (and reiterated them too)
I never knew anything about Mykie, but I just figured that because she and Anthony Padilla are a couple they were both unproblematic. It started me double guess Anthony too
I DID NOT KNOW THIS WHAAAAAAAT
Same!!
Same
Man I really hope Anthony isn't like this behind the scenes. 😔
I wanna believe the best about him because he has really shown so much empathy in his interview series but...damn
Honestly, at this point in the game, I'm side eyeing EVERY creator that has BLM in their bio, in their DB... I'm at a point where my trust is not there unless I know you personally. 🤷🏾♀️
Only trust small creators. Like REALLY small creators. And Nyma Tang lol
Exactly! I don’t trust all these internet strangers.. and no.. you can’t co-sign for raw beauty kristi or small creators (big creators start off as small creators usually) when you don’t know them irl. This is why I don’t Stan anyone ever.. makes you blind and tempted to defend horrible behavior.
You’re amazing Smokey, thank you for using your platform to say this. 💖
I started watching Swoop’s video to do my homework to watch yours. I finished watching Swoop’s video because it taught me so much.
Can we talk about how Mykie took like 4 months off of CZcams to prepare for a bikini competition (that she was doing for fun) but then had the gal to complain about other creators being bigger than her?
As a white person there AINT one single one of us who should ever be considered “unproblematic”. We all have so much unlearning to do
Lol this is extreme and I'm not even white
@@kawaiikoibito3268 How is it extreme? We grow up benefitting from systemic racism and privilege. We need to take it upon ourselves to help dismantle racist structures. And we need to educate ourselves because the oppressed shouldn’t have to take on the burden of educating us too
Yes! Considering yourself “problematic” doesn’t mean hating yourself, it just means learning more respect and love to others.
exactly. we must take the steps to educate ourselves and unlearn certain behaviors
I'm an Asian Australian woman and I've only started unlearning my internalised bias this year, everyone has their own responsibility!
Thank you so much for showcasing this issue,
u just gained a new subbie, love how articulate and well spoken you are!!
Finally an intelligent and very truthful interpretation and response. Thank you. I have no horse in this race but this was education for is that may not know what to say or do but what I have learned thus far is listen to the voices that haven’t been heard enough and I hate it took so much tragedy to get most to notice but having said all that. We hear you, we see you and we are listening (and still learning on what exactly we can do to help).
The day trisha is a reasonable judge of character is honestly sad.
Never thought I’d see the day
She's not. She just had a beef with her before. Trisha doesnt give a f about racism.
she's not though...
she just hates mykie bc she stuck by anthony (her bf) against trisha when she faked having did
Trisha cant even judge her own character properly.
I've seen fans defend Mykie and call Swoop's video "nothing but a hit piece"..I disagreed with them, but didn't know the words to explain why. Your video is my explanation. Thank you for having the right words to shut that defense down. It only diminishes the hurt and downplays how wrong Mykie's actions are. Fans of Mykie should ultimately want positive changes in her behavior/character, rather than making excuses for her and wanting to brush this under the rug.
The "notepad apology" was disappointing. I feel like Mykie should address things on the platform she was called out on, or her largest platform..where ever she would reach the most people, but that's just my opinion 🤷♀️
thank you girl, so many other drama channels only focused on the drama/james charles part of the video and didn't even mention the micro agressions enough, thank you
I saw so many people especially on twitter criticising SWOOP for ‘going public with personal drama’ which is so reductive, imo? A huge creator who is pretending to be an ally but privately demonising POC and LGBT people should not get away with that.