Designing An Obscure Pre-Grouping Loco For OO Scale
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- The start of a new project to scratch-build the GER 552 class in OO scale! This video covers the CAD design process before the prototype phase.
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0:00 Intro
5:39 Wheels
6:43 Chassis Design 1
7:24 Body Design 1
8:25 Chassis Design 2
11:19 Chassis Testing
13:34 Loco Detailing
17:42 Tender Design
21:04 Conclusion - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I never get tired of these! You pick the best classes for these, Sam; unique and full of character! This one's gonna be gorgeous, I can already tell!
Thank you so much!! I really like this class too - very much full of character as you say!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
As a fan of the GER, it's quite exciting to see a model of a lesser known Great Eastern loco taking shape.
Most impressive. Keep up the good work.
Thanks very much Gerald - it's been great fun so far, looking forward to finishing off now!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Although my allegiance to the LBSCR and William Stroudley remains undimmed I have begun to appreciate what neglected gems were produced by the GER an oversight that your latest build is helping to address. Apart from the 552, there were the beautiful 'Claud Hamitons', the mad 'Decaopod' and the engaging tramway engines. Sad fact - Massey Bromley, who designed the 552's was killed in the Peniston accident on the MS&LR in 1884 and his close friend Charles Sacre, Locomotive Superintendent of the MSL&R, blamed himself (unjustly) for the accident and eventually shot himself in 1889.
This is fire. GER stuff is always fascinating. You've inspired me to develop a SketchUp/printed HO scale kit.
Thank you!! That sounds fantastic - good luck!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice to see that you're back in the 3D printing groove!!!!! Product reviews are ok but your TRUE talent is as a creator of models from scratch!!!!!
Thanks very much John, haha that's very kind of you!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You are getting good at this especially by choosing the obscure locos. Couple of comments, would this loco have all those lamp irons, being built before standard RCH lamp codes were introduced around 1903 and would this loco have a reverser wheel or more likely a lever? I'm no GER expert so you'll have to check!
Hello Sam, a very nice supprise to see your model of Bromleys goods loco. I am building a 7 1/4" gauge model of the same loco. Being a fan of the GER I think this is a worthey prototype and look foward to seeing the finished model. Bromley locos had a lot of American practice in them, I think he worked there for a while. The goods engine and his single wheeler express engine both had a door from the cab front, onto the running board, this was on the left hand side looking foward. The lamp irons on the earlier build were quite unusual, the lamps hung down from them. I seem to remember reading that when new the engines were painted black with red lineing, Later they were painted ultramarine with red and black lineing, plain black cab front. Later plain black with GER on the tender. Your book by Mike Sharman has many interesting locos in it and many would make fine models . The drawings were by Buckley. He done a series in the Loco magazine at the begining of the 1900's, most are keept by the Great Eastern Society. Keep up the good work Sam.
Between this and Accurascale’s J67/68/69 that was announced yesterday, the GER is on fire!
Looking VERY much forward to the final product of this project, Sam.
Cheers.
Agreed. I've pre-ordered a GER blue livered example
Living in the Waveney Valley (on the Suffolk/Norfolk border) GER locos are of huge interest to me.
So much so that I've just pre-ordered a GER blue-livered J67 from Accurascale (the actual loco is still with us at the Bressingham museum).
Looking forward to seeing the finished article, Sam.
Me too, I'm north Norfolk.
@@derf9465 The NNF have a decent selection of GER locos and rolling stock I think?
Very well done again Sam, you are really making me think doing this for a OO gauge USATC S160 as the roco ho one would just look silly.
that reminds me ive thought about making an A scale USATC S160 (the american version not the british one) for my garden railroad since aristocraft stopped making an S160 almost 15 years ago and bachmann hasnt made a new one (though they have remade the old A scale GE dash 9)
I can't wait to see part 2 of this Sam.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Thank you!! Hopefully won't be long!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
this looks brilliant! cant wait to see this running on your layout!
My Hornby 100th anniversary Flying Scotsman is arriving in a few days and it had to travel all the way the Atlantic to get to it’s intended destination.
mate, this is beautiful, the GER barely gets any love in modelling tyvm for the video :)
Can’t wait to see the finished product up and running along the layout Sam.
Amazing work Sam. You are a professional presenter now turned professional designer. This has been compulsive viewing for me. Couple of thoughts - please buy some 4mm scale handrail knobs and loco buffers - the loco kit building suppliers can supply them - just google for them. I would suggest Alan Gibson. The use of scale metal parts will really bring a level of finesse that a purely 3D printed model can’t quite do at present. The rest of the model is now so good it justifies separately fitted scale metal details. This model could look professionally made with this approach.
Dear old Mike Sharman, he did so much on pre grouping railways, even made amazing gwr broadgauge models and layouts. Also produced great wheelsets back in the day.
Hi Sam i'm almost finished with my 3d lnwr Claughton class, I'll let you know when it's finally finished
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That's awesome - yes please I'd love to see! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Fascinating. Sam's Loco Works again at it hahah. Is there a particular reason not to use wired handrails on the loco itself Sam? For coal, we do suggest to print the base shape, cover that with a transparent modelling glue on top (curing fully transparent), then sprinkle that with dyi grinded hard rocky material which should easily be found outside your house somewhere, paint that all with a somewhat thinned black paint (black wash) once cured; just as a suggestion to add more realism. Bon chance with this captivating project. Cheerio.
Best video you have ever done. Really enjoyed the insight and obvious potential. If you extrapolate the process and the pace of current tech, it's not had to foresee a time when the big manufacturers only produce files for you to take home and print. Keep up the good work, thank you for posting!
Take it from me Sam, put a GER loco in dark blue and it looks gorgeous. I don’t know if it’s accurate, but it makes the loco feel a lot more Great Eastern.
Sam perhaps you could make a video on how to use sketchup and the most relevant tools for people to try designing their own models!
Also for weight into the boiler, have a look for anywhere that would supply you with short lengths of round solid bar to fill up the boiler space better, assuming that would leave enough strength in the print to hold together. But could be a way to make an even heavier model
Also perhaps be mindful of the brake pads being attached to the chassis instead of the base keeper plate just in case they stop the wheels from coming out of the chassis, although you've probably thought of that!
Superb work Sam, excellent 👍.
Looking forward to your next upload on this loco.
Cheers.
Neil
Hi Sam great video!, I would recommend using a resin printer for the ultra small high detail pieces if the filament printers are not giving you access details you want, i think either the Elegoo Mars 2 Pro or Mars 3 these both have fume filters on them (if concerned about fumes)
Yeah obviously a resin printer would be better, but I can't use one of those in my space because I have no ventilation, and the mess wouldn't be ideal. All the parts for this model are specifically designed for FDM printing, so even the small parts come out great! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm very impressed with the relative smoothness of the printing and fineness of detail compared to earlier prints. Have you invested in a higher quality printer or just found a way to improve the rendering of detail?
I wonder what other projects you might start on? This seems like a lot of fun.
Great to see such a british oddball getting some love. It looks great so far, Sam.
You tube recommendations were making me feel angry. Ahhh, just what I needed. Thanks Sam. It's nice that you find obscure models to enthuse over.
you should give your brand something like 'Great Eastern Models' or something idk. Your video here is now on my inspiration playlist! Pre-grouping stuff is always fascinating!
Hope you make it in Ultramarine Blue. It'll look absolutely gorgeous when it's finished.
Hey Sam, it would be i interesting if you make 2:2 from the 1800s like a K2
That would be really awesome!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great content, can’t wait to see the finished product 😊
One thing that surprises me, is that you don't buy your wheels and axles from Markits, which sells Romford ones.
by the way, it's a splendid project. Your 3D printed how-to are my favorite videos.
Yeah I’m not as keen on those frankly - I prefer to buy the Hornby sets because they’re cheaper, have bearings and gears, and I can create my own accurate wheel centres to match the loco!
I just mentioned Markits for his handrail parts
I love these 3d printed locos series Sam I think you should get a old shape Henry body from the shapeways where you get 3d printed bodies (like I said you should get a old shape Henry for a older hornby chassis)
Fascinating Sam can't wait to see the finished version. Very well done. Eddy xx
This is going to be fun to follow! Thanks Sam!
Heading the right way Sam - we'll soon have you designing a North Eastern loco. I am surprised that you're not designing a Class 66 or a GWR Autocoach - seems like everyone else is ploughing those particular furrows!
Yeah! This is great stuff. I gotta try my hand at this kind of thing sometime.
This CZcamsr right here folks is a person companies like Hornby and Bachmann should be very afraid of and a person companies like Rapido and Accurascale should be hiring right now.
Also side note this might be a bit early but once you are done making this locomotive might I suggest you try doing LNER 1000 hush hush next
😊 looking forward to seeing the next stage. Keep up the good work.
From the images, it does look like the loco was probably black.
Vermillion would look mid-grey and the blue a darker grey. But hey, who knows?
I'm looking forward to the next video where I'm guessing you'll make a new prototype and possibly a couple of iterations.
I seriously hope you'll consider sharing your STL's at least, on printables, Thingiverse, or similar for all of us non-UK viewers.
And yes, as others suggest, a resin printer is way better for detail. Cheers!
Love these videos, this one has so many separately fitted parts! Keep up the good work!
Hi Sam. If you haven't tried brake rigging before, now is a perfect time to give it a go.
Excited about this - I love watching this kind of process. Cheers Sam!
Also always love to see new pre-grouping locos 👍
Thank you so much!! This one has been particularly fun! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam. Great work, I really enjoy watching you create these 3d models. Thanks for showing us, I can't wait to see the next video.
Nice, it looks pretty good! 👍👏
Massey Bromley locomotives are always interesting designs, and somewhat offbeat. Interesting choice.
Cool video!! Can’t wait to see how it turns out!!!!!!!!
Thank you!! I'm sure you can't... I'll spend some extra time working on it at weekends, if that's okay??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it’s okay I can wait:)
I love your scratch built loco videos!
I can already tell it'll be amazing Sam, if it's anything like coppernob!
Have a nice day Sam.
Thank you so much - fingers crossed - just hope it turns out okay!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, looks good so far, take your time and fingers crossed, All the best Brian 😃
This looks like it's going to be awesome Sam. Definitely appreciating the extra levels of detail with every build you do. Have you considered trying a mixed media loco (mix up 3D printed parts with metal parts for chimney/safety valves/buffers/handrails, screw links etc). It would be really interesting to see if it could still be done cheaper than the big manufacturers.
This look's like a professional model, you did fantastic Sam ;)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Great video can't wait till the next installment thankyou for the video
Great video shows just what can be done with a 3D printer 😮 I'm am going to have to get one and start tinkering. Looking forward to the printing and assembly 👍👍👍
You should really consider a PLA resin printer to dial in those details. As I'm sure you know, filament printers are great but are really suited for larger projects.
I love 0-6-0s so this is going to be a treat.
Oh well,
Sam's love for steam era has shone through and sad little diesel shunter will have to await its turn.
That being written yes older loco from rarepile is exactly where i hope most hobby model makers will go - there is immense wealth of rarely seen in err plastic (cause it'd be wierd if made out of flesh) many crazy things build for strange nieche uses that deserve some spotlight.
Wow it looks amazing so exited for the next 2 videos on this engine I thought the Coppernob looked extraordinary good but I think this wil be even
hey sam, i dont truly know why this popped into my mind while watching this, but i remember in one of your other 3D printing loco or rolling stock videos of how you wanted a better way of hiding the layer lines that the printer makes. I watched another 3D printer channel where the person used an acetone mist, it ended up making his parts extra shiny, so to paint theyd probably need roughed up a bit, but perhaps you could do more research on it and give it a go, perhaps it could add more depth to your models. But as always, great video, and have fun building and testing your 552.
you are doing great work Sam!
This is looking like a fascinating project, especially as a tender loco, perhaps a plug could be integrated into the design. Would you ever consider designing an obscure American locomotive? Also do you have a link to the motor that you use, because I might want to try it for a few of my fittings.
Well, building a relatively different sort of locomotive with only minimal resources to consult is showing that you’re willing to go ahead with a challenging prototype for your initial project. With the currently available resources it ought to be possible to build a model that will feature your skill level quite well. The possibilities are endless. Go for it. The critics have even less to nitpick about, so whoopee! Hopefully we’ll see the loco running before too long. 👍🏻
Simon kholer will be saying now you know how I feel creating engines! You work hard mate well done
can't wait for the next episode
Can't wait for a part 2
More scratch-built Pre-Grouping extinct steam please!
Great video!
Thank you! :D
@@SamsTrains np
Cool vid sam!! 👍
Thanks a lot Wallace, glad you (and Gromit) enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well Sam, you are now entering the model producing industry.
Nice one Sam ! i think this will be a very attractive looking locomotive, looking forward to part 2.
It is a pity that the likes of Hornby etc. dont prodce something like this, but of course they have to order hundreds of individual models to be cost effective and they cant chance stock remaining unsold on the shelf.
As you like older rare but good looking locomotives would you consider a loco from some body like The Hull And Barnsley railway?long time gone but some very attractive freight only loco's , as goods not passengers was their market, locos carried nice lined out livery.
Again well done and keep the good work.
I love these 3d printed loco series!
Thanks Alex!! :D
Brilliant video hope the engine turn out ok👍😊☺☺
There is a different photo in C. Langley Aldrich's Book 'The Locomotives of the Great Eastern Railway 1862 - 1962'. The photographs in this book are largely from 'The Locomotive Publishing Company'. The LPC photographic collection is now part of the National Railway Museum Archives. Can I suggest that you contact them.
A Plymouth CR-8/CR-8XT or a Whitcomb 50 tonner could work for that diesel shunter idea
Wouldn't mind seeing the Furness and LBSCR Baltic Tanks be made at some point
hey sam thanks for making another amazing looking model cant wait to print this one!
quick question though as i am sure many people will be wanting to know for this print, you said on the last loco you designed you would next time try using a different motor/ worm drive combination as they are not currently avaiable anymore.
please could you clarify whether that is the case?
kind regards Tim.
Looks great! Love the detail. One request, can you make sure that the motor and other parts needed for this are relatively easy to get? I wanted to make a Coppernob, but could not find a motor with the correct diameter spindle.
You should try having a clip at the cab end of the body to hold the body down and then just a screw near the smoke box next time.
Great work Sam and a captivating video! I hope the rest of the project goes well. How do you design your gears?
I'm interested too, as modeling true involute gear profile is almost impossible using traditional wire frame sketch methods. I've tried many times over nearly 40 years of CAD modeling. However, tiny plastic teeth don't need to be as perfectly meshing as hardened ground steel ones !
something i'd love to see would be a train that never really has a model, a fireless locomotive
That's brilliant Sam, making me jealous I'm not doing that CAD work anymore. But don't go printing weak square section hand rails. Use real wire and aftermarket stanchions e.g. those made by Markits in Watford.
Never seen that engine before, interesting!
haha yeah it's super obscure isn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome my dear friend
Excellent video and wonderful project.
Careful, though, Sam !!!!
You could have the big boys coming to steal your design 😮😅
nice drawings in the book you got.
and i am looking forward on the next progess report on your 552 project.
i like the loco and tender.
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Decent video Sam, never heard of this loco before but then again I don’t follow a lot of pre grouping locomotives, as I say many times on videos like this I would really like to try this sort of stuff out myself at some point in the future.
Thanks David - it's a very obscure one to be fair! And sure, give it a try! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Very impressive Sam 🙂🚂🚂🚂
This looks amazing, the detail is fantastic, how long did it take you too make the sketchup model?
Thank you so much Alex - it was about a month on and off, an hour or two a day!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Amazing job! What kind of software do you use for the design?
More 3d printing. Jolly good. See Budget Model railways have just done a piece on the ender pro.
Thanks a lot Greg - ahh that sounds good! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
I've found that this locomotive is suitable for goods traffic work along with coalinga duties.
very nice, exciting stuff. what coupling rods did you use for the wheels? were they just random ones from your box of bits? and I'd be interested to know how you did the curve around the top of the tender, it looks very nice and flows smoothly
This engine looks like it would go perfectly with Uncle Fredrixons 2 wheeled coaches
I wish companies would make budget loco’s like this that are cheaply 3-D printed, that would allow for really cheap stuff and lots more classes of loco with less wait due to complex tooling
Couple of things Sam, it looks like the tender may be a common GE type with detail differences, it looks very much like that fitted to J15s. Could you make available to others a file to print from or a set of parts and could it be scaled up to 0 gauge. Would it also be possible to do that to use Slaters wheels?
It looks impressive already, excellent stuff.
Will this have a download when it's done? I'm excited for the final result!
I'm not sure - maybe if people want it! I'm excited too, hopefully it all works :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I mean I want it.
Clever lad!
Based on what was in the passages you showed, it would make more sense to have the rebuilt version in GER Blue, with the as built version in black or vermillion.
Looking forward to the next part
Looks great. I am really looking forward to part two of this project. Wire features will be a great choice. I understand that there is a way of slightly stretching wire so that it becomes perfectly straight. I love these very early era engines. It is a great choice to design..
Very impressed, as well as intrigued - how did you acquire your CAD skills, Sam?
So obscrube that shape is great but i think the boiler is too small. But i think its a great engine to do freight line or long freight line. And Looks like Emily And i think you missed the rods or you have reason why you didnt add. And i think if it has bell it will be more cool
Awesome, thanks for sharing Vincent!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)