Seriously impressive design! I liked that stroboscopic effect making the different-sized wheels of the motor assembly appear to turn in opposite directions.
As a retired draftsman who used 3D cad, you have been doing a fantastic job in developing your designs. What you are doing has greatly impressed me with your technical ability to solve the many design problems associated with model locomotive design. Well done, keep up the good work.
Hi Sam, proud so you should be absolutely brilliant job! However perhaps consider a short SketchUp tutorial describing the design of some of the bendy bits that is all the curves on a piece Steve
Hi Sam! Wow, an LNWR locomotive?! Love that railway! My favourite LNWR engines are probably the Cornwall, Jubilee 4-4-0 (gotta love compounds), the Greater Britain and the Claughtons. Finally, here's an idea for the future: Uncle Fredrikson's Balancing steam locomotive, I think it could be possible if it was a tender locomotive that doesn't have a pivoting drawbar. (up and down movement) 😄
That's awesome I love it too! haha I have thought about it too, but it's just too tricky to get them reliable... though I have ideas for more crazy rolling stock :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking very promising sam always wanted a single wheeler loco will you be sharing your print files if a successful project in any form I would love to print this myself
One of the most engrossing watches for me in a long time. And I am not even a train enthusiast, Just a background interest in engineering and design. Apart from the interesting content I think your presentation skills are top notch. Your videos come across like a documentary from the past. Full of detailed information clearly and enthusiastically delivered. A rare pleasure these days. Thank you.
Sam, your work in CAD remains amazing to me and I really appreciate your efforts to making this hobby more widely accessible. You continue to pump out some of my absolute favorite videos on CZcams and I have been a fan since 2019. Thanks for everything you bring to the model railway community! Much love!
This 3D resin stuff is what I only dreamed about 5 decades ago when I got into modeling. Details that cannot be seen unless magnified. Plus once CADed it can be printed at any scale.
I think you've inadvertently designed the best possible mechanism for model trains here - with driven small and large wheels, you've got the best of both worlds when it comes to gearing. You've basically combined two different engines together - It's like having a freight engine to start your train, then an express engine maintaining its speed. Brilliant!
WOW! This Model Is Beautiful! Can't wait to see it fully printed and fully painted! I'm sure it'll turn out Great! I hope your friend, who challenged you, is also proud of how well you forged this engine!
For someone who, only a few years ago, said that they were not particularly skilled at making models or painting them, you have definitely shown that you were selling yourself short. Vast leaps into the unknown, are what you have taken, and your model projects get more and more advanced. This one is simply breathtaking, both in the complexity of the thing, and your solutions to that. You, sir, are a genius. Fact. 👍👍👍
haha you're very kind Brian - it was very true at the time, I've only been doing this a couple of years, so still very much a beginner... I hope this one will raise the bar for me though! Really appreciate your kind words, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome start. I’m glad you’ve been giving pre-grouping locos some justice. The LNWR has a lot of untapped potential in terms of locomotives, so I can’t wait to see if you make any more (a Claughton or one of their Atlantic tanks would be amazing).
Sam,small note- your prototype is in the shop gray,that the Victorian builders used,for the photos! The reason for that,was the use of ORTHOCHROMATIC FILM,which was extremely blue sensitive! PANCHROMATIC FILM,all colors didn't come in,until later! Ortho film was/is still used in the graphic arts for printing plates(lithography),and other technologies[including printed circuits]! Just a side light,on what most people take for granted! And yes,I handled my share of that type of film!! Thank you 😇 😊!!
Oh fantastic! I knew from the post you put out yesterday it would look great, but nothing like this! Absolutely stunning work so far, and looking forward to the next installment of this project! Keep up the good work!
Awesome video, Sam. Looking forward to seeing the finished product! Sorry to bring this up, but I’m having trouble re-establishing my membership. Alright if I email you?
first off, hats off to you on making an incredibly difficult locomotive. i think you are on a great path to making it work, here are just 2 other options that may have worked. the first is my favorite, and thats to have the single wheel driven, have the rear wheel fixed and have the front wheel floating in a sprung slot. this produces an authentic look but has issues with traction the second, i would have had the pusher and trailing wheels powered, with the center single left unpowered. having it floating with a light spring pushing down would keep the wheels in contact with the rail. this in my opinio would produce the best runner, but might have other problems i am unaware of. overall, i think you know what you are doing and probably have the best design. these are just 2 other alternatives that came to mind
I can't wait to see your take on a single wheeler. Your 552 class blew me away, so whatever you make next will undoubtedly be even more impressive. In terms of LNWR, I'd love to see someone make a Crewe Type like the preserved Columbine in model form.
Thank you so so much! I'm hoping this will blow the 552 out of the water because of the resin details... fingers crossed! That would be wonderful wouldn't it?? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The amount of effort that you put in to these models is absolutely astonishing! I believe that your tremendous work will not pose a single "problem" upon assembly :)
Amazing new printing project Sam! Resin does open up an entire new world indeed. Another potential problem of resin printing is deformation and warping of the printed materials which your prototype does show as well but you hopefully get that sorted. Märklin has done an RTR of such wheel configuration with the 'Adler' (Eagle). We don't have it in the collection so we don't know how they've solved the inherent traction problem. Your solution seems to work well, so well done there. The prototype was a Stephenson's made and design for Germany's first commercial railway by steam traction for the public. Bon chance for all the work involved and for bringing this fascinating loco to life. Cheerio.
Thanks Linda - yeah all sorted with those issues now luckily! I'd be interested to know how they solved it actually, it's certainly a tricky wheel config! I'd guess it's tender/coach driven, but only a guess! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Having found online instructions of that model (year 2000), yes indeed, you're quite right. They've put the motor in the tender which has 4 wheels / 2 axles, all being driven via 2 worm gears. Two wheels have been given rubber tyres (M's default standard) opposing diagonally, but you don't like such. The pickup shoe is located under the tender as well but that's not relevant for the Trix model (2-rail DC). Running characteristics have been rated as mediocre due to rather compromised contact to ground caused by the relative lightweight of the whole thing. But there you have it. Tender driven indeed. However, in your case, your tender in the project has 3 axles as well which would pose a similar traction problem should the motor been place there.
Always a kick when you find an engineering solution to a problem. Just as a point of interest, you can see one wheel spin slightly when starting after changing direction - this is because of the backlash in the gears. If it's the driver that momentarily spins when starting then at least you can claim it's prototypical! If you're not using one already I can recommend getting a "space mouse" to orientate the CAD model with your left hand while you select points / commands / etc using the normal mouse with your right.
Interesting overall locomotive to try and make from a 3D printer here Sam so I look forward to seeing this project develop, the only 2-2-2 locomotives that I know of that is ready to run is the der Adler which is an early locomotive built to run in Germany that was built by Robert Stephenson and co
Thanks so much David - really hope you like the rest of the project! Ahh fascinating - I didn't know there was one in model form RTR, very cool! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That Stephenson fellow et al seem to be responsible for similar 2-2-2s from Brighton to Bristol and the USA via Liverpool, not forgetting Daniel Gooch of course.
It’s a wonderful model, I’ve been working on a GWR 2-2-2 class; the Queen class, which through its life started with a slender boiler and no cab, but ended with a 20th look with cab and belpaire firebox. It doesn’t have visible pistons and rods which makes it much easier, and as I’ve stuck to a single axle drive, the front axle is suspended, but to be honest, it’d probably end up a better loco with tender drive using a Dean Goods tender (Mainline / Dapol / Hornby). What you have achieved here with the gearing and that twin driven axle akin to the locomotion models Sterling, is absolutely superb, hats off to you Resin is great for detail but I wouldn’t use it for much of the chassis, it ages quite poorly and I’ve got loco bodies that have shattered like glass after a few years so I’d try and make key bits of structure (and valve gear) produced in FDM and where FDM can’t deliver detail, add a resin insert. It’s surprising how capable my little ‘Weefun Tina2’ is at producing rivet detail for these kinds of jobs. Where I’ve struggle with dimensional accuracy over time (heat, UV) I’m actually considering using laser cut acrylic to act as a ‘backbone’ for chassis parts.
Great choice for the No cab version, I wish there was more locos available out there for this sort of thing, I love a good cab but they’re always hidden
There is a model announced with one version of it being the cab front only version. I think Sam covered it in the last or second last monthly model update video.
In the March 1967 'Railway Modeller' there's a Stroudley single-wheeler with the leading and trailing axles driven, leaving the centre axle unpowered and floating. That could work here too. Alternatively, how about tender drive, which with decent weighting could effectively give you a power bogie. 24.25 The 'brake wheel' is, I'm pretty sure, for raising and lowering the water pick-uo scoop between the second and third tender axles. If you have this wheel and shaft, ideally you should also fit a basic representation of the scoop as well -- not that much of it would be visible anyway in the raised position. Ramsbottom fitted these scoops to his express locos, including the Problem class, from 1862.
Yeah I did consider this too! I deemed it too complicated to bring gears to both ends of the chassis like that. Tender drive would almost certainly have been much more sensible... but I just like loco drive, and I enjoyed the challenge of doing it this way... it was a bit of a skill building exercise I guess! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Suggest you add extra side clearance on the undriven axle of the loco and the centre axle of the tender to improve running on curves, May also need to change the brake rigging on those axles to allow these axles to move sideways on curves. May also need a redesign of the electric pick ups on the side moving axles. Very good attempt at a redesign of the original for an OO model. Many era 2 locos where 0-4-4 or 4-4-0 until later in the era when 0-6-0 became the norm. Of course 0-8-0 came from Austria in era 3. Well done.
Not boring, thank you for detailing the thought processes thoroughly. It's always exciting to take something on paper and bring it to life. It would be awesome if you could make this into a limited run with a manufacturer that I could buy and run on my layout. Excited to see the end results, fingers cross.
haha glad to hear that - I think that's the essence of it... bringing something on paper to life, very good! That's very kind, I'd love to try that one day, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work, this is going to be fantastic! This prototype is amazing!! You should also 3D print some crew figures, as it is possible with resin printing, and it would also show companies that you don’t need to charge £10 for tiny printed parts.
You've used the same solution that Bachmann used on the Thomas-the-Tank-Engine version of the Stirling Single, powering the driving wheel and the rear carrying wheel, and adjusting for the difference in wheel diameters via the gearing. Another solution that I've seen for 2-2-2s is to power the two pairs of carrying wheels, with the driving wheel freewheeling. That, in effect, makes it like a diesel bogie.
👍👍 Wow . The details you are going after - the Saftety Valves , that Whistle , Tender Brake wheel , and on and on . . . Delightful one-two punch with your Dining Train offerings . . . Cape Cod Steve
Thanks so much Steve - I really really enjoyed modelling those tiny details... there's something so satisfying about drawing them... in love all over again! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam I hope you and Chloe are well. This is a interesting build I wish a manufactur would do one in rtr Era 2 is the new growth in the Hobby Thank you sharing your build with us Keep safe ARP
If you ARE able to print these successfully, I ABSOLUTELY will want to buy one - this has been one of my favourite locomotives since I was a little boy, and finding a way to get one myself (and to the other side of the world in Australia) would just make my inner child sing. Please don't let this be a dream, please don't let this be a dream, please don't let this be a dream...
@Sam'Trains once your done with the problem class could you do the dubs crane engine? its a cool looking engine i have never seen anyone else make it or model it =D
Sam! This is Great! I purchased an etched brass kit of this model many years ago, and I have never managed to complete it. Your drive mechanism is inspired. My solution was to attempt to make it tender drive but that threw up many other issues. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next video. 👍😉
I'm seriously impressed. You are modelling stuff I would have struggled with using extremely expensive professional Cad systems. How many Giga bytes of memory do the combined loco and tender models use ? I can see you now being head hunted by one of the model railway manufacturers very soon.
Centre mounted dual ended motor driving the outer axles with the driver free running and floating up/down and left/right? Simple gearing via worm gears (one left handed, one right handed) and still plenty of space for weight over both driven axles. Just a thought :)
That is a great idea for sure, but there's only room for a small radius gear over the rear axle due to the height of the running plate in the cab... so there'd have to be multiple gears powering that axle, taking up a lot of space. The twin worm drives plus the motor would actually pretty much fill the body too, which would leave very little room for extra weight! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is a case where having all wheels sprung would be the best solution. Harder springs on the driving wheel so you can make it work prototypically. You should build a Martin Finney, or high level kit. It would get you TONS of experience on how to make well balanced, sprung or compensated locos.
One of my favorite trains. It close to the Stirling single. But it is still the best. I'm still waiting for my train to come. It's taking forever. But anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. I do love the trains. Trains for life
Awesomeness Extreme! Fantastic job my young engineering engineer. I’d love to be bored with the details of the gearing mechanism math. Great Job. My fingers are crossed for you(but we know that’s not needed). What a fantastically fun project. Cheers.
Incredible! I can see how much the complexity has jumped with resin! This locomotive reminds me of the Stirling single. I really like single wheelers, great work Sam!
That is really impressive work, I'm going to show it to my son who is already a very keen train enthusiast (model, full size, narrow gauge - you name it!).
Well well well...Sam...!!! now that looks VERY good and promising...cheers to that and well done....respect...very nice...and a good looking "prototype" too...looking forward to the finished model......hope it runs as good as it looks...and NO "problems".....haa...
This is a truly impressive project. The gearing to drive both the single driver and one of the small wheels is very interesting. Looking forward to seeing it come to life
Oh wow! That's brilliant Sam. The level of detail is fantastic and the designing of the wheels and gearing is some difficult engineering. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this model. Thanks for doing the video.
If you can't think of anything to do with your prototype models, you could paint them up into scrap engines, or engines that are being constructed as dressing for the layout or a custom load for a flatbed car. 🚂
I was thinking of solving this Problem too. Could use a Hornby Ringfield tender drive with the centre wheels replaced by the large centre wheels (new axles, obviously)
Hey Sam, great video as always! Just a quick tip from a fellow designer/3D printer enthusiast. Design your rivets as cylinders rather than hemispheres, less geometry for sketchup to run, and also theyll look a tad more prominant than the rounded ones, especially once painted which will also help to round them off a bit.
Your solution to the mechanical side of things is much like what Bachmann did with their model of Emily. Emily is driven by both the big single wheel but also one of the front truck wheel sets.
Yeah 2-2-2's were an absolute nightmare in real life to work properly. And were infamous for slipping when starting and if the springs on the front and back wheels were not set properly they would steal grip from the single driver. And I always feel bad for the footplate crew having no weather protection. Don't fancy driving one of these on a rainy day with the wind blowing.
Wow I can't wait to see the next part. Fingers crossed that all the pieces print good and you don't have any issues. This really looks like it will be a fantastic locomotive and definitely different than any scale model out there. Very well designed with spectacular detail. Can't wait to see the finished loco running around your layout.
Sam I am so happy you are making this!!! I recently purchased that book you made a video about (locomotives I have known and a further section) and saw this loco. Fiercely searching the internet for a OO scale model I was disappointed to find only old kits. And only two weeks later I see this pop up on CZcams. You are the man Sam!!!
Fantastic work on this one! I figured you’d be coming up with some good stuff using the new printer! I have the etched metal kit from London Road Models waiting in my collection of things to build. With the Romford wheels and axles, etched brass plates and other parts I got to complete it, I think it’s cost about US$200 more than your printed model, so that’s a lot saved on your end! 3D printers really do pay for themselves.
Thank you very much! Ahh interesting - are the Romford wheels 14mm? That could be useful... had a dickens of a job finding the right size tyres for mine! They sure do pay for themselves... very lucky to have one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Looking back, the 32mm drivers I got are Romford/Markits, but the bogie wheels are Scalelink with plastic centers. I think R/M does have metal 14mm bogie wheels available, at least direct, but I usually order through other sources for all-in-one-package convenience. Alan Gibson also has a huge range of specialized wheels for UK 00 scale models, so I think those would be worth a look.
I think it's great that you are 3-D printing an LNWR Lady of the Lake Class engine as it is one of the Era I engines that really has my interest. Very speedy engines for their time with the "Trent Affair" and all.
An interesting project. Going down the route Rapido went with their Stirling Single. And it looks excellent. I hope someone does new versions of the 2 singles Hornby have done, since both are severely outdated: GWR Achilles class (Dean Single) and CR 123 (Caley Single). Plus, a model of the MR 115 class (Johnson Spinner) would be great as part of the National Collection In Miniature series (like the Stirling Single was). I still need to get my FDM printer working...
Hopefully, you 3D printed LNWR Problem Class model will be a successful model to run Sam. By the way, are you planning to review the new Hornby LMS Turbomotive model Sam?
Love the LNWR, I could paint that in a beautiful blackberry black for you! I have that book, the Problem class is one of the most changed classes from new to withdrawal.
a) no matter if it works or not, you will have leared loads, that will be useful in your next project. b) if this version doesn't work, make another one, making the original's second iteration... obviously it wouldn't be very prototypical if the first one worked flawlessly right away
Got a suggestion for the next one, something big and brash and very American. The Reading Blue Mountain & Northern T-1 class 4-8-4 #2102 used by the Reading railroads in Pennsylvania.
If you like Ramsbottom LNWR locos, the DX Goods is a massive gap in the market. It was the most numerous British steam loco by some margin (beating the LMS Black Five) but is almost forgotten, as is John Ramsbottom. The man was a genius and invented half the stuff on steam locos.
The DX goods was also famously his greatest mistake. The locomotives just kept getting produced up until Webb took his place and immediately shut down the production, because the engines were performing dreadfully. The LNWR suffered major economical problems throughout the entire mid Victorian-period because of it, as the engines simply couldn’t perform the tasks needed of them. Webb desperately tried to improve upon the design, but because there were so bloody many of them, it just wasn’t feasible.
They were called the "Problem" class because (and some of the reasons may be erroneous, for reasons I'll explain) 1) The first "Problems" had very temperamental water injectors, which is almost certainly erroneous, as the early "Problems" had a totally different system for getting water into the boiler. 2) They were called "Problems" because the first was named "Problem" in tribute to mathematical problems (this COULD be true, but it's very, very niche) or 3) The engines, although otherwise very good indeed, used to surge fore and aft at high speed, being a bit of a jerky rider. (This, to me, is probably the best theory as to why the "Problems" were called the "Problems"!)
Seriously impressive design! I liked that stroboscopic effect making the different-sized wheels of the motor assembly appear to turn in opposite directions.
haha thank you! Yeah I noticed that too - quite hypnotising isn't it??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
As a retired draftsman who used 3D cad, you have been doing a fantastic job in developing your designs. What you are doing has greatly impressed me with your technical ability to solve the many design problems associated with model locomotive design. Well done, keep up the good work.
When I leaned draftsmanship it was with HB, H, AND 2H pencils, my school exam included drawing a cylinder mower blade in isometric, utterly sadistic!
Glad I could be of help and you found the book handy! Awesome video, looks like it'll be a fantastic little loco!
Thank you so much my friend - it's one of the best books I've got for information and drawings... many thanks again!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I need a copy!
Hi Sam, proud so you should be absolutely brilliant job! However perhaps consider a short SketchUp tutorial describing the design of some of the bendy bits that is all the curves on a piece
Steve
Hi Sam! Wow, an LNWR locomotive?! Love that railway! My favourite LNWR engines are probably the Cornwall, Jubilee 4-4-0 (gotta love compounds), the Greater Britain and the Claughtons. Finally, here's an idea for the future: Uncle Fredrikson's Balancing steam locomotive, I think it could be possible if it was a tender locomotive that doesn't have a pivoting drawbar. (up and down movement) 😄
That's awesome I love it too! haha I have thought about it too, but it's just too tricky to get them reliable... though I have ideas for more crazy rolling stock :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking very promising sam always wanted a single wheeler loco will you be sharing your print files if a successful project in any form I would love to print this myself
One of the most engrossing watches for me in a long time.
And I am not even a train enthusiast, Just a background interest in engineering and design.
Apart from the interesting content I think your presentation skills are top notch. Your videos come across like a documentary from the past. Full of detailed information clearly and enthusiastically delivered.
A rare pleasure these days.
Thank you.
That’s such a lovely comment, many thanks for your kind words, really appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Well done Sam! You should be very proud of your work. I can’t wait to see how it looks with the details!
Thank you so much - hope you enjoy the next section! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊
Sam, your work in CAD remains amazing to me and I really appreciate your efforts to making this hobby more widely accessible. You continue to pump out some of my absolute favorite videos on CZcams and I have been a fan since 2019. Thanks for everything you bring to the model railway community! Much love!
This 3D resin stuff is what I only dreamed about 5 decades ago when I got into modeling. Details that cannot be seen unless magnified. Plus once CADed it can be printed at any scale.
I think you've inadvertently designed the best possible mechanism for model trains here - with driven small and large wheels, you've got the best of both worlds when it comes to gearing. You've basically combined two different engines together - It's like having a freight engine to start your train, then an express engine maintaining its speed. Brilliant!
WOW! This Model Is Beautiful! Can't wait to see it fully printed and fully painted! I'm sure it'll turn out Great!
I hope your friend, who challenged you, is also proud of how well you forged this engine!
It’s nice to see you back at making new and obscure locomotives again, Sam. Have fun!
haha thank you, I really do love it! Many thanks again,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For someone who, only a few years ago, said that they were not particularly skilled at making models or painting them, you have definitely shown that you were selling yourself short. Vast leaps into the unknown, are what you have taken, and your model projects get more and more advanced. This one is simply breathtaking, both in the complexity of the thing, and your solutions to that.
You, sir, are a genius. Fact. 👍👍👍
haha you're very kind Brian - it was very true at the time, I've only been doing this a couple of years, so still very much a beginner... I hope this one will raise the bar for me though! Really appreciate your kind words,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am so so excited to see the rest of your progress on this! Your ingenuity is seriously so inspiring!!
Awesome start. I’m glad you’ve been giving pre-grouping locos some justice. The LNWR has a lot of untapped potential in terms of locomotives, so I can’t wait to see if you make any more (a Claughton or one of their Atlantic tanks would be amazing).
Thanks Josh - I do love the pre-grouping tender locos... and you're right, those would be awesome to try!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is so impressive and inspiring. I really can’t wait to see how it looks!
Thank you so much my friend - hope you like the final result! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Wow, that thumbnail is detailed. This is going to be a good one by the looks of it Sam!
Thank you so much!! This is the most detailed one I've ever done :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam,small note- your prototype is in the shop gray,that the Victorian builders used,for the photos! The reason for that,was the use of ORTHOCHROMATIC FILM,which was extremely blue sensitive! PANCHROMATIC FILM,all colors didn't come in,until later! Ortho film was/is still used in the graphic arts for printing plates(lithography),and other technologies[including printed circuits]! Just a side light,on what most people take for granted! And yes,I handled my share of that type of film!! Thank you 😇 😊!!
Oh fantastic! I knew from the post you put out yesterday it would look great, but nothing like this! Absolutely stunning work so far, and looking forward to the next installment of this project! Keep up the good work!
haha you've a good eye then! Many thanks for the kind words, hope you enjoy the rest!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome video, Sam. Looking forward to seeing the finished product!
Sorry to bring this up, but I’m having trouble re-establishing my membership. Alright if I email you?
Sure David, sorry to hear you're having problems - feel free to!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
first off, hats off to you on making an incredibly difficult locomotive. i think you are on a great path to making it work, here are just 2 other options that may have worked.
the first is my favorite, and thats to have the single wheel driven, have the rear wheel fixed and have the front wheel floating in a sprung slot. this produces an authentic look but has issues with traction
the second, i would have had the pusher and trailing wheels powered, with the center single left unpowered. having it floating with a light spring pushing down would keep the wheels in contact with the rail. this in my opinio would produce the best runner, but might have other problems i am unaware of.
overall, i think you know what you are doing and probably have the best design. these are just 2 other alternatives that came to mind
I can't wait to see your take on a single wheeler. Your 552 class blew me away, so whatever you make next will undoubtedly be even more impressive.
In terms of LNWR, I'd love to see someone make a Crewe Type like the preserved Columbine in model form.
Thank you so so much! I'm hoping this will blow the 552 out of the water because of the resin details... fingers crossed! That would be wonderful wouldn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The amount of effort that you put in to these models is absolutely astonishing! I believe that your tremendous work will not pose a single "problem" upon assembly :)
Amazing new printing project Sam! Resin does open up an entire new world indeed. Another potential problem of resin printing is deformation and warping of the printed materials which your prototype does show as well but you hopefully get that sorted. Märklin has done an RTR of such wheel configuration with the 'Adler' (Eagle). We don't have it in the collection so we don't know how they've solved the inherent traction problem. Your solution seems to work well, so well done there. The prototype was a Stephenson's made and design for Germany's first commercial railway by steam traction for the public. Bon chance for all the work involved and for bringing this fascinating loco to life. Cheerio.
Thanks Linda - yeah all sorted with those issues now luckily! I'd be interested to know how they solved it actually, it's certainly a tricky wheel config! I'd guess it's tender/coach driven, but only a guess!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Having found online instructions of that model (year 2000), yes indeed, you're quite right. They've put the motor in the tender which has 4 wheels / 2 axles, all being driven via 2 worm gears. Two wheels have been given rubber tyres (M's default standard) opposing diagonally, but you don't like such. The pickup shoe is located under the tender as well but that's not relevant for the Trix model (2-rail DC). Running characteristics have been rated as mediocre due to rather compromised contact to ground caused by the relative lightweight of the whole thing. But there you have it. Tender driven indeed. However, in your case, your tender in the project has 3 axles as well which would pose a similar traction problem should the motor been place there.
Always a kick when you find an engineering solution to a problem. Just as a point of interest, you can see one wheel spin slightly when starting after changing direction - this is because of the backlash in the gears. If it's the driver that momentarily spins when starting then at least you can claim it's prototypical! If you're not using one already I can recommend getting a "space mouse" to orientate the CAD model with your left hand while you select points / commands / etc using the normal mouse with your right.
What an incredible locomotive to recreate in 00! Seeing this has gotten me very excited. Really hope it'll all work for you.
I can't wait to see the results Sam, you did a great job on making it.
Cheers Jasper Willow
Thank you so much!! :D
Interesting overall locomotive to try and make from a 3D printer here Sam so I look forward to seeing this project develop, the only 2-2-2 locomotives that I know of that is ready to run is the der Adler which is an early locomotive built to run in Germany that was built by Robert Stephenson and co
Thanks so much David - really hope you like the rest of the project! Ahh fascinating - I didn't know there was one in model form RTR, very cool! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That Stephenson fellow et al seem to be responsible for similar 2-2-2s from Brighton to Bristol and the USA via Liverpool, not forgetting Daniel Gooch of course.
It’s a wonderful model, I’ve been working on a GWR 2-2-2 class; the Queen class, which through its life started with a slender boiler and no cab, but ended with a 20th look with cab and belpaire firebox. It doesn’t have visible pistons and rods which makes it much easier, and as I’ve stuck to a single axle drive, the front axle is suspended, but to be honest, it’d probably end up a better loco with tender drive using a Dean Goods tender (Mainline / Dapol / Hornby). What you have achieved here with the gearing and that twin driven axle akin to the locomotion models Sterling, is absolutely superb, hats off to you
Resin is great for detail but I wouldn’t use it for much of the chassis, it ages quite poorly and I’ve got loco bodies that have shattered like glass after a few years so I’d try and make key bits of structure (and valve gear) produced in FDM and where FDM can’t deliver detail, add a resin insert. It’s surprising how capable my little ‘Weefun Tina2’ is at producing rivet detail for these kinds of jobs.
Where I’ve struggle with dimensional accuracy over time (heat, UV) I’m actually considering using laser cut acrylic to act as a ‘backbone’ for chassis parts.
This is freaking awesome! If the manufacturers don't make what we want, we will do it ourselves! Next up, The Crampton!
Great choice for the No cab version, I wish there was more locos available out there for this sort of thing, I love a good cab but they’re always hidden
Thanks Luke - had to be that one for me! I agree, it'd be awesome to see more of them! :D
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There is a model announced with one version of it being the cab front only version. I think Sam covered it in the last or second last monthly model update video.
In the March 1967 'Railway Modeller' there's a Stroudley single-wheeler with the leading and trailing axles driven, leaving the centre axle unpowered and floating. That could work here too. Alternatively, how about tender drive, which with decent weighting could effectively give you a power bogie.
24.25 The 'brake wheel' is, I'm pretty sure, for raising and lowering the water pick-uo scoop between the second and third tender axles. If you have this wheel and shaft, ideally you should also fit a basic representation of the scoop as well -- not that much of it would be visible anyway in the raised position. Ramsbottom fitted these scoops to his express locos, including the Problem class, from 1862.
Yeah I did consider this too! I deemed it too complicated to bring gears to both ends of the chassis like that. Tender drive would almost certainly have been much more sensible... but I just like loco drive, and I enjoyed the challenge of doing it this way... it was a bit of a skill building exercise I guess!
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Problem class, awesome name for a class of loco 😂
hahaha I agree!!
Suggest you add extra side clearance on the undriven axle of the loco and the centre axle of the tender to improve running on curves, May also need to change the brake rigging on those axles to allow these axles to move sideways on curves. May also need a redesign of the electric pick ups on the side moving axles. Very good attempt at a redesign of the original for an OO model. Many era 2 locos where 0-4-4 or 4-4-0 until later in the era when 0-6-0 became the norm. Of course 0-8-0 came from Austria in era 3. Well done.
Not boring, thank you for detailing the thought processes thoroughly. It's always exciting to take something on paper and bring it to life. It would be awesome if you could make this into a limited run with a manufacturer that I could buy and run on my layout. Excited to see the end results, fingers cross.
haha glad to hear that - I think that's the essence of it... bringing something on paper to life, very good! That's very kind, I'd love to try that one day,
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Great work, this is going to be fantastic! This prototype is amazing!! You should also 3D print some crew figures, as it is possible with resin printing, and it would also show companies that you don’t need to charge £10 for tiny printed parts.
WOW! So far so good. Looking awesome! Keep up the good work. Fingers will be crossed!
Thank you so much - much appreciate it! :D
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You've used the same solution that Bachmann used on the Thomas-the-Tank-Engine version of the Stirling Single, powering the driving wheel and the rear carrying wheel, and adjusting for the difference in wheel diameters via the gearing.
Another solution that I've seen for 2-2-2s is to power the two pairs of carrying wheels, with the driving wheel freewheeling. That, in effect, makes it like a diesel bogie.
👍👍 Wow . The details you are going after - the Saftety Valves , that Whistle , Tender Brake wheel , and on and on . . . Delightful one-two punch with your Dining Train offerings . . .
Cape Cod Steve
Thanks so much Steve - I really really enjoyed modelling those tiny details... there's something so satisfying about drawing them... in love all over again!
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Hi sam
I hope you and Chloe are well.
This is a interesting build
I wish a manufactur would do one in rtr
Era 2 is the new growth in the Hobby
Thank you sharing your build with us
Keep safe ARP
Thanks a lot Adi, we're doing great thank you! I do too - I love this kind of thing!
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Love your videos and your reviews
Thank you so much Alex!
Very impressive. Good luck with the printing. Here’s looking forward to the end result.
If you ARE able to print these successfully, I ABSOLUTELY will want to buy one - this has been one of my favourite locomotives since I was a little boy, and finding a way to get one myself (and to the other side of the world in Australia) would just make my inner child sing. Please don't let this be a dream, please don't let this be a dream, please don't let this be a dream...
@Sam'Trains once your done with the problem class could you do the dubs crane engine? its a cool looking engine i have never seen anyone else make it or model it =D
I've been looking at those! It'd be fantastic wouldn't it? :D
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@@SamsTrains indeed it would cheers and keep up the good work;D
The drawings look amazing. I’d be interested not only to see the printed results but also to hear about any challenges you had with resin printing
Thank you so much! Next episode to follow soon :D
Sam! This is Great! I purchased an etched brass kit of this model many years ago, and I have never managed to complete it. Your drive mechanism is inspired. My solution was to attempt to make it tender drive but that threw up many other issues. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next video. 👍😉
I'm seriously impressed. You are modelling stuff I would have struggled with using extremely expensive professional Cad systems.
How many Giga bytes of memory do the combined loco and tender models use ?
I can see you now being head hunted by one of the model railway manufacturers very soon.
This looks genuinely amazing! Hope it all comes out well, can't wait to see
Thank you so much - I'll have more to show soon!! :D
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One of these days I'd really love to see another engine of your own design
Thank you! You should see this one soon :D
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Some ideas for future 3D Print Projects:Bloomer,Recreating your 4-4-0 with the experience you have now and a realistic version of the 1949 model.
haha that could be fascinating... it really would have to be a new design from the ground up though!
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23:55 You did a wonderful job on the tender Sam, it's certainly a lot accurate than my design.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Thank you so much! I'm sure your designs are very accurate! :D
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The single wheeler is real!!! This is really cool and exciting to see become real
See
Thanks a lot David - fingers crossed! :D
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Centre mounted dual ended motor driving the outer axles with the driver free running and floating up/down and left/right? Simple gearing via worm gears (one left handed, one right handed) and still plenty of space for weight over both driven axles.
Just a thought :)
That is a great idea for sure, but there's only room for a small radius gear over the rear axle due to the height of the running plate in the cab... so there'd have to be multiple gears powering that axle, taking up a lot of space. The twin worm drives plus the motor would actually pretty much fill the body too, which would leave very little room for extra weight!
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This is a case where having all wheels sprung would be the best solution. Harder springs on the driving wheel so you can make it work prototypically. You should build a Martin Finney, or high level kit. It would get you TONS of experience on how to make well balanced, sprung or compensated locos.
the fact that you are designing this loco just by yourself blows my mind. If this loco would be for sale i would buy it. great work m8 :)
Well done Sam your skills are developing with every project, can't wait to see the finished loco.
One of my favorite trains. It close to the Stirling single. But it is still the best. I'm still waiting for my train to come. It's taking forever. But anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. I do love the trains. Trains for life
It's a lovely thing isn't it? Hopefully your trains arrive soon! :D
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That 3D printed OO gauge loco is very Impressive Sam👍.
Thank you so much!! :D
Awesomeness Extreme!
Fantastic job my young engineering engineer. I’d love to be bored with the details of the gearing mechanism math. Great Job. My fingers are crossed for you(but we know that’s not needed). What a fantastically fun project. Cheers.
Incredible! I can see how much the complexity has jumped with resin! This locomotive reminds me of the Stirling single. I really like single wheelers, great work Sam!
That is really impressive work, I'm going to show it to my son who is already a very keen train enthusiast (model, full size, narrow gauge - you name it!).
Well well well...Sam...!!! now that looks VERY good and promising...cheers to that and well done....respect...very nice...and a good looking "prototype" too...looking forward to the finished model......hope it runs as good as it looks...and NO "problems".....haa...
This is a truly impressive project. The gearing to drive both the single driver and one of the small wheels is very interesting.
Looking forward to seeing it come to life
Ah my favorite serie looking forward to the end product as it looks now it wil be amazing
Oh wow! That's brilliant Sam. The level of detail is fantastic and the designing of the wheels and gearing is some difficult engineering. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this model. Thanks for doing the video.
The Talbot book is an absolute gem of a book, well worth owning.
It really is... and so thorough too!
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If you can't think of anything to do with your prototype models, you could paint them up into scrap engines, or engines that are being constructed as dressing for the layout or a custom load for a flatbed car. 🚂
That's a cool idea actually - that could be better than scrapping them!
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This is amazing loco Sam , your 3d printing skills are amazing
Going to be interesting to see how the project turns out.
Sam is back after his mission to eat everything on rails - apart from a 'classic' BR sandwich....
hahaha!
I was thinking of solving this Problem too. Could use a Hornby Ringfield tender drive with the centre wheels replaced by the large centre wheels (new axles, obviously)
Hey Sam, great video as always! Just a quick tip from a fellow designer/3D printer enthusiast. Design your rivets as cylinders rather than hemispheres, less geometry for sketchup to run, and also theyll look a tad more prominant than the rounded ones, especially once painted which will also help to round them off a bit.
Your solution to the mechanical side of things is much like what Bachmann did with their model of Emily. Emily is driven by both the big single wheel but also one of the front truck wheel sets.
Haha that’s right, that’s what gave me the idea!
Yeah 2-2-2's were an absolute nightmare in real life to work properly. And were infamous for slipping when starting and if the springs on the front and back wheels were not set properly they would steal grip from the single driver. And I always feel bad for the footplate crew having no weather protection. Don't fancy driving one of these on a rainy day with the wind blowing.
Ahh very interesting - good to know they're not just a "problem" in model form then! Many thanks for sharing,
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That would have to be on e of the most inspiring things I've seen in ages. Well done, that was fantastic.
Wow I can't wait to see the next part. Fingers crossed that all the pieces print good and you don't have any issues. This really looks like it will be a fantastic locomotive and definitely different than any scale model out there. Very well designed with spectacular detail. Can't wait to see the finished loco running around your layout.
Sam I am so happy you are making this!!! I recently purchased that book you made a video about (locomotives I have known and a further section) and saw this loco. Fiercely searching the internet for a OO scale model I was disappointed to find only old kits. And only two weeks later I see this pop up on CZcams. You are the man Sam!!!
well done mate, you can definitely be proud..
Thank you so much Steven!
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Amazing! Well done!
Thank you my friend!
Fantastic work on this one! I figured you’d be coming up with some good stuff using the new printer!
I have the etched metal kit from London Road Models waiting in my collection of things to build. With the Romford wheels and axles, etched brass plates and other parts I got to complete it, I think it’s cost about US$200 more than your printed model, so that’s a lot saved on your end! 3D printers really do pay for themselves.
Thank you very much! Ahh interesting - are the Romford wheels 14mm? That could be useful... had a dickens of a job finding the right size tyres for mine! They sure do pay for themselves... very lucky to have one!
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@@SamsTrains Looking back, the 32mm drivers I got are Romford/Markits, but the bogie wheels are Scalelink with plastic centers. I think R/M does have metal 14mm bogie wheels available, at least direct, but I usually order through other sources for all-in-one-package convenience.
Alan Gibson also has a huge range of specialized wheels for UK 00 scale models, so I think those would be worth a look.
I think it's great that you are 3-D printing an LNWR Lady of the Lake Class engine as it is one of the Era I engines that really has my interest. Very speedy engines for their time with the "Trent Affair" and all.
this loco looked amazing
Thank you so much! :D
You have truly upped your game, Sam. Most impressive, indeed. I look forward to the next installment in this series. Cheers from Wisconsin!
Very impressive video Sam mate. Looks like many many hours spent on it. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Thank you so much Andrew - it's been such a pleasure to work on this, quite sad that it's over with...
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It looks beautiful, can't wait to see the finished product
An interesting project. Going down the route Rapido went with their Stirling Single. And it looks excellent.
I hope someone does new versions of the 2 singles Hornby have done, since both are severely outdated: GWR Achilles class (Dean Single) and CR 123 (Caley Single). Plus, a model of the MR 115 class (Johnson Spinner) would be great as part of the National Collection In Miniature series (like the Stirling Single was).
I still need to get my FDM printer working...
Very impressive Sam! Cant wait to see the next part!
This is great work Sam, I am really looking forward to seeing the rest of this series.
Hopefully, you 3D printed LNWR Problem Class model will be a successful model to run Sam. By the way, are you planning to review the new Hornby LMS Turbomotive model Sam?
Thanks a lot Bryan! Yes Turbomotive review on the way soon :D
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Love the LNWR, I could paint that in a beautiful blackberry black for you! I have that book, the Problem class is one of the most changed classes from new to withdrawal.
a) no matter if it works or not, you will have leared loads, that will be useful in your next project. b) if this version doesn't work, make another one, making the original's second iteration... obviously it wouldn't be very prototypical if the first one worked flawlessly right away
You're absolutely right - always such a learning curve doing these! Thanks a lot for the confidence!
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Great looking loco sam . Your best loco yet . Well done 👏
WOW - Sam, seriously impressed! Good luck in the build!
Sam, bring on part 2 and 3 and any others. Brilliant, just brilliant. So well done
Got a suggestion for the next one, something big and brash and very American. The Reading Blue Mountain & Northern T-1 class 4-8-4 #2102 used by the Reading railroads in Pennsylvania.
Advantage that the prototype exists! You could ride behind the real one.
Looks great Sam, wven unpainted!
Thank you so much! :D
If you like Ramsbottom LNWR locos, the DX Goods is a massive gap in the market. It was the most numerous British steam loco by some margin (beating the LMS Black Five) but is almost forgotten, as is John Ramsbottom. The man was a genius and invented half the stuff on steam locos.
The DX goods was also famously his greatest mistake. The locomotives just kept getting produced up until Webb took his place and immediately shut down the production, because the engines were performing dreadfully. The LNWR suffered major economical problems throughout the entire mid Victorian-period because of it, as the engines simply couldn’t perform the tasks needed of them. Webb desperately tried to improve upon the design, but because there were so bloody many of them, it just wasn’t feasible.
Possibly JR's revenge on Richard Moon, the LNWR chairman! They fell out in a big way. I think JR was happier at the L&YR.
Fascinating, might be worth looking into for sure! Many thanks,
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Thats wheelie great - well done Sam
Excellent choice. They used to run on the Varsity line through our area and so our house is named after one of them.
They were called the "Problem" class because (and some of the reasons may be erroneous, for reasons I'll explain) 1) The first "Problems" had very temperamental water injectors, which is almost certainly erroneous, as the early "Problems" had a totally different system for getting water into the boiler. 2) They were called "Problems" because the first was named "Problem" in tribute to mathematical problems (this COULD be true, but it's very, very niche) or 3) The engines, although otherwise very good indeed, used to surge fore and aft at high speed, being a bit of a jerky rider. (This, to me, is probably the best theory as to why the "Problems" were called the "Problems"!)