The Nun 2 - Why Horror Movies Have Become Trash | Anatomy of a Failure
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- In The Nun II, the heroes of the Conjuring cinematic universe must defeat the evil demon nun Valak... once again. And it's the same kind of garbage modern horror movie as we've gotten used to with the likes of The Curse of La Llorona and so on. It's a horror movie that's not scary. These movies keep making the same fundamental mistakes to stumble into those same problems. So as we've done before, let's see why The Nun 2 isn't scary and what you need to avoid to not be like it.
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The Nun II (2023)
New Line Cinema brings you the horror thriller “The Nun II,” the next chapter in the story of “The Nun,” the highest grossing entry in the juggernaut $2 billion “The Conjuring” Universe.1956 - France. A priest is murdered. An evil is spreading. The sequel to the worldwide smash hit follows Sister Irene as she once again comes face-to-face with Valak, the demon nun. There is already precedent for Valak having survived the events of the timeline of The Nun. The demon's first appearance in nun form occurred in 2016's The Conjuring 2, setting up the new branch of the expanded universe. That movie took place in 1975, considerably later than the events of either The Nun or its sequel, while Annabelle: Creation even teased of Valak's existence prior to the former movie via Sister Charlotte's photograph from sometime in the late '40s or early '50s. Valak was seemingly defeated at the end of The Conjuring 2, when Lorraine uses its true name to banish it back to Hell. That being said, the demon also seemed to have been vanquished at the end of The Nun with the use of the blood of Christ sealing it away. With Valak confirmed to have survived by latching a part of itself on to Frenchie, it seems possible The Nun II could end with a similar possession situation ensuring its future survival.
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The Curse of La Llorona (2019)
Director/co-writer Michael Chaves’s horror film draws supernatural inspiration from Mexican folklore. In 1970s Los Angeles, a social worker discovers that the children under her care are being pursued by the Weeping Woman: a female ghost who the nun 2 scariest moments nun 2 watch full movie online free 4k clips hd mistakes bad movie nun 2 flop nun 2 explained valak alive how nun 2 ending explained nun 2 jumpscares everything wrong with the nun II honest trailer nun 2 all valak monster scenes scares best abducts living children because she lost her own child. She turns to a priest for assistance in warding off the terrifying maternal spectre. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I've been a bit sick but I'm trying to get over it. Videos on MI7 and Oppenheimer incoming so stay tuned
Do you think the Five Nights at Freddy’s movie will be any good, or do you think it’ll have similar problems?
Did you see the movie "Talk to me"? If so, what did you think of its horror comparing it to the points made in this video?
Will MI7 be an Anatomy of a Failure? Because it felt like a step back compared to MI6
Woohoo MI7! Such a shame that it was only barely profitable.
@@knightofthenight3420 I'm sure it will be. Not only did it underperform but also many people who watched it were unsatisfied
The worst thing about modern horror is that it has completely forgotten about the genre's greatest strength. SUBTLETY
This is utter bullshit. We are in a golden age of horror but you need to look for something outside shitty Conjuring movies. Filmento's thesis is ridiculous. There are so many anazing horrors and thrillers nowadays - The Nun doesn't represent the whole genre ffs
When Evil Lurks was pretty good. It wasn't THAT subtle, but you get information at the same rate as the characters do so that's a cool way to create a sense of dread.
@doctorpobrezahd3625 Horror movies don't always have to be utterly subtle and not tell you anything, my main point is that modern horror movies feel the need to tell you everything instead of leaving things up to interpretation.
@@soulkibble1466 yeah
Too much CGI too. Goddamn, practical effect is still the best for Horror
The scene when the group of 12 year old girls held the door closed from the devil goat ramming its way into the room me and my brother, and his girlfriend were dying out of laughter when that happened.
I kinda held off until I saw the flashback where Irene’s bright blue eyed mother went “you have my eyes” and we flash to Irene’s hazel eyes, that’s where I lost my shit.
Same thing that happened with Deathly Hallows, how hard would it be to get someone with the same eyes for this one little role?
I was when it was launching them into walls before that.
@@alexman378 Or just use color contacts
@@filmandfirearms Brown and hazel are some of the easiest eye colours to find, blue is one of the hardest. If they had some powerhouse actress, or someone that looks just like Farmiga in an older stage, sure, I get it, but for that role, for that duration, it would actually be more expensive to get contacts, as silly as that sounds.
@alexman378 green is more rare as well as extremely dark eyes or eyes with more of a grayish color. Blue is not incredibly rare
I watched Nosferatu in the spirit of the season, and honestly the thing that stuck out to me was how the limits of the technology made the directors much more creative in moving the audience. The initial reveal scene of *Orlok when he's standing in the doorway is genuinely unsettling, and it's all in the posing and acting. Just sad to see how far horror has fallen.
I watched it like 2 years ago and I really liked the buildup and the overall story but I could barely keep my eyes open. Not sure if it was because it was silent or I was just tired
Have you seen A24 horrors?
The Name is Orlok...
@@peterhorus3874 fuck you're right, not sure how that got turned around in my head.
Always there to help when it comes to German Expressionism@@professional9123
If one guy with a vision-restricting mask, a knife, and maybe a bulletproof vest can be a terrifying threat in a Scream movie, there's no reason why these indefinitely powerful demons shouldn't be.
Well one seems closer to reality which makes it more scary then a demon for many people
Add onto the fact that they make it so the characters aren't given a dumbness-nerf and the fact that Ghost Face is allowed to make mistakes and get hit, that just makes the nun even more disappointing.
Thats what i think is the biggest problem... of all of these supernatural scary movies: no fcking rules. I remember constantine you know how they can fight the demons, how the demons act, because even being supernatural there are rules. But in all this movies its a fck fest in shes material, shes not, she can kill she cant... like wtf. xD
Horror genre always trash. That's why I don't watch them.
@@fynkozari9271 and yet you are here, watching videos about horror movies and commenting on them. Or are you doing that for attention?
Hot take: Jurassic Park was a better horror movie than any of the modern flix you find in nowadays streaming services. I mean, the whole last half hour is basically a bunch of super-killing machines hunting the people you spent about 1h to learn to like.
It's true but Spielberg should know with Jaws and Poltergeist. Plus it's no secret that both A Quiet Place were inspired by the kitchen raptor setpiece.
Jurassic Park had every spectator feeling as if they are smack dap in the movie with the characters. I remember it like it was yesterday.
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 I saw it when I was 8, at a movie theater, and I'm not exaggerating, when the kids get into the ceiling and the raptor hops to try to snack on one of their legs, I actually retracted my legs! I was so much into this scene. I don't remember having this kind of moment since or prior to that
@@mikal6217 no the part for me was when the car gets flipped over with the t rex walking around it. i was so scared of that scene as a kid
so u think killing makes the horror movie. LMAO!
I didn't hate it, but I can agree it wasn't good. Scary movies aren't scary anymore, and that bums me out cuz its my favorite genre.
Plenty of scary movies are scary… just not the trash ones.
Otherwise you’re watching Blue Beetle and concluding that movies don’t have competent writers any more… when you just watched a particularly badly-written movie.
Tbh I don’t need horror movies to be “scary” in the sense - I just need an enthralling story with “creepy” elements.. I don’t really care for “scares” as much as I like the ‘creep’ factor
Personally, I don't really care, if a horror movie isn't scary (Which is very subjective anyways).
It just needs a good story, great characters and performances, and just be a great movie to be a great movie.
Smile was pretty scary to me. Can't really escape that shit
@wrestlerecap1324 - Smile was good until the ending.. they squandered the whole message of the film with that ending by basically saying “You can’t outrun or beat your trauma” 🤷🏾♂️
I have no idea about this universe, but couldn't it have been interesting for the nun's power level to be based off the sins her victims had committed? Like with the priest, the reason she could kill him was because of some evil past that he'd hidden away, and therefore she can't kill the boy because he was innocent. Maybe her killings were some sort of "justice" from her view, and cleansing them in ways connected to their sins was her way of doing that.
That could be cool. Justice, but in a perverted, evil way, since she's a demon. Since this franchise has byg religious themes, I could imagine them going with the idea that God absolves you of your sins, while the demons punish you for them. So this childish, eye for an eye poetic version of cruel justice could be a very good way for the nun's M.O. to function while also limiting her power against people of true faith or those more innocent by nature.
That would require deft filmmaking, and actual thought and planning.
@@darklord884 Agree! But I guess the writers can't be bothered exploring such topics :/
@@Selrisitai Sadly we live in a time where people are just lazy :( Instead of doing something out of a creative passion, it's for the money.
Honestly, we blame writers to much these days for crappy movies@@rubyseach
So in short.
- We have to have a reason to care about the characters, especially the main protagonist.
- The villain/monster has to have an established skill set and motives and they have to be displayed and shown-off early on in the movie.
- The world has to be built around the established rules and logic, and stick to it.
So "When Evil Lurks" does everything in this list, cool!
Not necessarily but it can help
I think there are really a few big things causing this (and not just with horror movies):
1. We focus on pay-offs, but have neglected that they build their power through setups. And setups take time and intention. The payoff is the "Hey, doesn't this thing look scary?" and "Wow, that sure was surprising, right?"... but it only has real impact because of the moments that lead up to it. Or it doesn't.
2. We focus on between-movie continuity over in-movie consistency. The Conjuring "universe" is so "meh," because it thinks we care about this sprawling shared mythology between all the movies. We're here to be scared by *this* movie. If the Nun of this movie is supposed to "inherit" some scariness from previous incarnations, okay... but we've already seen previous incarnations defeated, so is there anything there to inherit? The previous movies actively interfere with the ability to build on them.
3. We want good to win. That makes the movie about "struggle," not "horror." Horror more often comes from realizing that you can do everything right, figure out the monster's "whole deal," and *it doesn't matter*. It is beyond you. You can get away *this time*, but not *for all time*. Horror movies shouldn't have "heroes." They should have, at best, "survivors."
4. We have the wrong focus. The monster isn't the obstacle. It's the main character. But what makes it different from other main characters is that *we shouldn't be seeing the movie from the main character's perspective." We shouldn't be seeing it's POV, uncovering its motivations, learning its history, or connecting with it. We've been demoted to an NPC. It's the monster's world, and we're just trying to figure out how to get through it. We learn enough about the human characters to be able to put ourselves in their position... so that we can feel as confused, powerless, and panicked as they do when we discover it's not *our* story.
I agree on most parts of this except for 3. Sure, it shouldn't be "good" winning all the time, but what you described was Cosmic/Lovecraftian horror. That itself is the very specific fear of not being powerful enough to even imagine, much less combat these otherworldly threats coming at you. A regular horror movie can have its heroes and have them "win" at the end of the day. It's just that recent horror movies have been kind of slipping into adventure film territory and the finale is about the heroic hero defeating the byg ugly ghost in a fist fight or something.
These are great points
You have somehow put the foggy feelings I had of why scary movies into words. Are you a wizard?
@@darklord884 Yeah. Winning is fine, as long as it doesn't devolve into a simple adventure story when they overcome them in a fist fight or something.
@@pencilcase8068 Can confirm. Absolutely a wizard. I do birthday parties, too
*The horror genre movies need their John Wick* just one movie - doesn’t have to be groundbreaking - just has to excel on every level of the genre and get enough people talking that other studios say “Y’know we should probably step our game up”
A24 movies or just James Wan movies
I don't know man, every James Wan movie is like every other James Wan movie. Outside of Malignant that is, which was either a joke on everyone or an attempt at brilliance that absolutely failed and is entertaining for that reason alone.
Itd be fucking hilarious if the fnaf movie will be that
There are good horror films coming out regularly, and great ones as often as they ever were. They just vanish under the avalanche of garbage. The problem with horror is that cheap garbage sells consistently and for a reliable modest margin, and producers prefer that to taking risks on big wins.
Try "Talk to Me" by RackaRacka brothers
When the boy killed the old woman with the lantern my friend to my left said "she got comboed" but I heard "she got covid" instead. I swear to god I've never laughed so much in a "scary" movie in my life.
A horror movie that's stuck with me for years is one called the tunnel. It was a crowd funded horror movie that was based about a news crew trying to understand why homeless people are dissapearing in sydneys storm water tunnels. Phenominal movie, lots of slow buildup, and the crew falls into the fear with you
Yeah an Australian found footage horror movie... 👍
sounds like as above so below, where can i watch the Tunnel?
@@leonardo9259its on prime i think
@@Talia.777speaking of found footage, you can have a field day watching VHS, you gotta 6 movies to watch :)
Thought you were talking about VHS for a moment lol. Since there's a part where news people go into the sewers to interact with the homeless and shit gets crazy.
I think this video also explains why horror games are much more effective and scarier than horror movies nowadays. In a horror game, we ARE the character, we control the character we played so we can feel genuine fear of what comes next, we fear the unknown possibilities. Compare that to horror movies, the movie director needs to make the audience care about the characters, so whenever the film gets scary, the audience will get scared too. I personally feel that modern horror movies depend so heavily on jump scares, which is IMO the cheapest way to scare people. Also, movie directors never set a line on how the monsters behave or what kinds of power they have, they just make the monsters do anything as long as it is scary in general.
Nah, you said this because you don't watch horror movies, visual and even narrative only media CAN be just as terrifying as a horror video game can, it just needs good people working on it.
@@cnk9822 I said horror movies NOWADAYS, not in general
There is also the fact than in horror games we don't act like absolut idiota like characters in horror movie. A horror game is scary because we are thinking how to beat it but we are getting beaten while in horror movies characters do wverything to put themselves in danger. Is hard to feel empaty for an idiot how comes closer to the obvious dead threat instead of running
I think part of the probably with horror movie characters is that it is pretty easy to assume they are going to either die, or lose by the end of the movie. There's no point in getting invested with a character if you think they are just going to kick the bucket near the end.
Your last bit was spot-on! We have GOT to stop spending our money on this crap. These movies are not good, man. They are openly mocking us. It’s halfway why I’m glad there is a strike. They’ve got to get their act together.
Great pun lol
People will continue to watch them no matter what other people say and it’ll get sequels
Yep! People really love bad movies and TV. I hate ranting because I come off as pretentious but I just want better for us. Lol
@@HorrorbleCWalt That's no secret that the horror genre has been seen as a cheap way to make lucrative entertainment due to this reason.
It's not that people love bad movies, they want cheap thrills. And horror is the most visceral way to achieve that.
The problem is that most of the writers and directors who criticize the horror movies of today usually can't write or direct anything better. Ari Astor is a great example of this. He makes a lot of great criticisms of the horror genre, yet put out 3 of the most boring horror movies I've ever seen. The only noteworthy thing about them is that there seems to be a 50/50 split between people who love them and hate them.
We get like 1 great horror movie every 5 years, if that and a couple of good ones.
The problem with horror movies nowadays (though there are many exceptions) is the over reliance on jump scares and too much gore and shock value. Look at Texes Chainsaw the original film, there's one or two jumpy bits if you can call them that and hardly any gore, hell despite the name only one person dies to a chainsaw yet despite this the film is pretty fucking scary and unnerving as fuck. Slow burn dread is a very effective tool, getting people feeling uneasy is way more effective then throwing endless jump scares at them. Jump scares do have their place of course (the nurse kill in the Exorcist 3 is incredibly done) but they need to be timed right and not feel cheap.
I think it's a good movie, but to act like such classics are scarier than the average modern horror movie is kind of nonsense. Movies like nightmare on elm street, friday the 13th, halloween, jaws, texas chainsaw massacre, alien, scream, hellraiser, etc. are classics because theyre fun and very well made, but it is impossible to me to see them as scary.
I mean the nun 2 feels repetitive and a little slow, but i enjoyed it more than the first one, people said the first one’s better but i fell asleep watching that, maybe i was actually sleepy and not bored idk, also if you can’t sleep, watch ringu or the exorcist
You said it better than I ever could have. I don't understand today's need to include gore into every single horror movie that gets made. I blame it on the popularity and cult following that Saw has built for itself, but it's just gotten ridiculous. As someone who can't stomach gore like that, I have to do extensive research on a horror movie and even read into spoilers sometimes just to make sure that I'm not going to invest time in a movie that I might have to stop watching midway, and that's tiring. The best comment I have ever read that encompasses today's horror movies goes like - "it's not scary, it's just gross".
@@Erika-xm2miGore is fun but its not inherently spoopy, time and place
Reading your full comment, thats fine and all if thats your opinion but you seem way more sensitive than the average horror fan, and gore was prevalent looong before Saw which, btw, was not gory originally. Try to appreciate the effects and remember its all ketchup, its not real, its a movie
Just watched this today... I remember at one point during this franchise, Ed Warren had said that after the exorcism of Maurice, Lorraine had locked herself away for weeks or months or something, and never spoke of what it was that had spooked her so much.
... But we've now seen that Lorraine has been drowned, choked out, and burned alive by this demon, she's had a pentagram carved into her back, she's been thrown across rooms, smashed into windows, and seen her husband die in a vision - and she's perfectly fine. Yet the demon says "ooga booga" during an exorcism, and she locks herself away for weeks on end.
But this isn't Lorraine. It's Sister Irene. She's a different character
@@sreenivaskamath4243 I never even noticed that. It honestly looks like they intentionally casted an actor that looked like a younger version of Vera Farmiga, and with just so many parallels between the two characters, I honestly thought they were the same person.
@@TheeShaggySniperthey're both descendants of St. Lucy. That's why they look similar and are clairvoyant
@@TheeShaggySniper Well, it is her sister. Taissa Farmiga.
@@TheeShaggySniperthey are going to link them somehow.. either they will make her her mother.. remember the nun 2 is like in late 60s.. and the first the conjuring was in late 80s i think.. yeah, i kow, she is a nun.. so i wonder how they would make her leave the church
Congrats on your 200th video!
You probably won't see this, but I've been watching since your Artemis Fowl video. Your channel growth has been great to watch even just for a fan, and your channel has been a great source of knowledge and entertainment for me. I'm trying to get into the screenwriting industry, and your videos have really helped me improve my writing. Also, they have great rewatch value.
Don't forget that it's OK to take a breather if you need one, and here's to another 200 Filmento videos!
Really 200? How'd you know? Anyway, thanks for watching
@@Filmento The video count is to the right of the subscriber count on your home page.
You're welcome!
@@Filmentoyo just got done watching barry's series finale 2 days ago so could you please give me your opinion on that banger hidden gem
@@Filmento also i think its embarrassing that a single scene in a non horror series can be more horrifying than an actual "horror" movie * coughs * the nun 2 * coughs *
Btw im talking about a scene in barry season 4
And there's even ways of tweaking some of these flaws. Oh, your monster has unlimited power? But only when they're within a specific sphere of influence. Okay.
Why didn't the monster destroy this character when it clearly had the chance? Oh no! The character has some kind of special connection to it that might mean a fate WORSE than death! Or the monster is intentionally steering them towards some outcome that would give the monster EVEN MORE power.
Why is the monster limiting their OWN power? Well, the ritual calls for a sacrifice and they don't really care if your possessed friend kills you or you kill your possessed friend. Either one works.
Why is the hero walking TOWARDS the very clear and evident threat? Well they felt something within or behind the monster that will later be able to be used at a critical point to turn the tables on the monster.
Oh, you thought you could just leave? And that would solve everything? No, see, you already left a piece of yourself back with the monster, and the longer you stay away the sicker you will become. You HAVE to deal with this or you will not survive.
Like, there's so many ways you can do the BASIC elements of these tropes, but still have them build MORE tension and create real horror.
Something I notice is that horror films these days feel like they want desperately to become a trend or popular Halloween costume. Rather than telling an engaging and horrifying story about people undergoing horrid and unimaginable things, they create these fantastical monsters, antagonists, or premises that are begging to be turned into the latest Tiktok meme or a new wave of cheaply made costumes at the local Spirit Halloween.
The benefit of low budgets is also a crutch as well. Well told stories, no matter the budget, can sometimes have a harder time to sell as opposed to something that people can easily digest, post about, and spread around to their friends to see for themselves.
80s "The Thing" didn't need today's tech to still be one of the best horror movies made.
Most observations in this video apply to the movie industry today. 99% trash
Dude that movie traumatized me as a kid that shit was disturbing no other movie has had that effect on me all these horror movies of today are shit look at what they did to Halloween they turned Michael into John wick 😂
@Not_A_Pedo445 "The Exorcist" , "The Omen" "The Shining". It doesn't take loads of CGI to make a good movie. "In the Mouth of Madness" was decent. The first Friday 13th, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraise were all decent.
With a few exceptions, movies are just getting worse. It's saving me money, so I probably shouldn't complain. Late 70s to early 90s seemed to be the golden age of movies.
Horror is arguably the genre where budget is the least restrictive, especially when it comes to small films that get huge. It's also where an excellent sense of cinematic tone is almost enough to carry the entire film by itself.
@UnreasonableOpinions see, that's part of the issue. Current films drop 150+ million on movies that suck. Even factoring in inflation, they did more with less. They had to be inventive because they couldn't just CG something in place.
Now they are lazy.
One of, if not my favorite of all time. You were there with all of them, trying to figure out which one was transformed, who was lying, and you felt confined along with all the characters. Suspense that doesn't let up.
It seems like the whole “Nun” franchise was spawned because someone decided the vision of the demon ‘Valek’, decked in Nun’s garb in the movie, The Conjuring, looked freaky and compelling….
Well, not all horror movies. There are a lot of them that immerse you into their world and not try to pull you out of it by throwing random jumpscares in your face.
recent? new horror is not as good or numerous, that is the point..
Definitely not modern day horror. It’s pretty ho hum and bland imo
@@JoseNovaUltratalk to me was pretty good
@@necro4258 ok
The story isn't scary. The jumpscares invoke a physical reaction, but only because they make you flinch. They make you scared of the jump, not the story
Also when the kid started beating the shit out of his mom, I started laughing in the cinema.
That final line of "I will be right here, everytime." gave me more chills then the entire movie.
Best jump scare in cinema history was in Zero Dark 30 when they are eating at the restaurant and the bomb goes off. Its so played out in horror at this point that I am anticipating it throughout 100% of the film, and when it is anticipated it wont make me jump. Also horror does a lot of what CordZ calls false jump scares and they need to fix that, essentially it is a jump scare with no real threat, like opening a cabinet and a cat jumps out or something, a jump scare should really only be implemented in scenes that have actual danger for the character, a good example of this is in I am Legend when Will Slapyoface goes into the abandoned office building and the vampire appears out of nowhere. Pretty much if your character is not going to have to run or fight for their life from what ever caused the jump scare, it should be omitted from the movie.
dude.. that could be one mean cat.
@@TheRealNormanBates true true 😆
1:33 the biggest draw back of modern media is relying on the image being scary. I remember Doki Doki Literature club was scary for me NOT because of budget, not because of scope but because the game was scary, the idea of losing your friend and having a psychological horror aspect kick in for the game.
ah yes... I will never forget watching Manly Badass Hero playthrough this game, and get to "and then you gently open the door"
I watched the new Exorcist film the other day and had thoughts; it essentially never reached a crescendo, it picked up pace when the scary supposedly started and then stayed on the same level until it was done. The original Exorcist movie did it so much better, despite being almost 50 years old. My mother told me that when it came out, people were fainting in the cinema. I left the new one feeling “meh”. Modern horror seems predictable and often misses the peak.
And modern horror relies too heavily on jump-scares.
this and the exorcist really made me sad for the horror film industry because it’s my favorite. They were doing it better a couple years ago movies are all over the place and don’t follow plot points
That's why arguably my favorite modern horror movie is Oculus, because the movie largely forgoes jump-scares and instead relies on the subtle anxiety of never knowing if what you see is what's actually happening.
I saw this one movie called Quarantine and Rec. They both take place in an apartment complex that was locked down because people got infected with mutated rabies. It's effective because we all know how bad rabies are. The cramped setting with a shaky camera also helps.
Quarantine was the terrible American remake. REC was the good original Spanish version.
@@sarasilly *Quarantine* was alright as far as the typical "American remake" goes, but much like the US remake of *The Ring,* the original is much better.
Quarantine is terrible if you’ve watched REC. That last scene in the condo with the blind zombie is the scariest thing I’ve ever seen. The fear for the survivors is real 😱
Rabies being real is not why those movies are good lol
@@kishwerQuarantine was a fun movie and Rec is completely irrelevant in that discussion
I love how filmento can just upload 2 times a week then not upload for another month
He was sick
@luisSierre42 maybe now but this has happened many times
They should have called the film "NUNSENSE".
LMAOOOOOO
So thankful for the western version of The Ring for introducing me to a type of horror new to me at the time: very dark Japanese urban legends.
It renewed my enjoyment for unexpected jump scares accompanied by an interesting story, I do enjoy the suspense of ghost stories more than gore centered ones, like "The others".
I enjoy psychological horror (which is more common in Asia) more than gore horror.
The clever thing about "Ring" is that it breaks the rule of a ghost story. The heroes find out what happened to Sadako / Samara, lay her body to rest, the person who did it is punished, so everything's okay--WRONG. Because she's not that sort of ghost, and we've let our preconceptions about the "rules" of ghosts lull us into a false sense of security.
@@sarasillyBest horror movie I've watched bar none - "Audition". Go watch it with no context to wtf its about and it will fuck you up
Just compare the characters or the characer building of modern horror movies with The Exorcist. In the Exorcist, nearly all characters had to deal with relatable problems we as an audiance can connect to: The Priest dealing with loss, death and hopelessness, the mother trying to throw money at a problem, the scientist being unable to explain everything with their craft. Personally, i am getting older and while the priest wasnt the most interesting character for me in my teens, but now in my nearly 40 watching my parents getting older, i can totally relate to him. Thats timeless and universal. I ha ve absolutely nothing against some straight forward slasher films or more silly stuff like Killer Klowns from outer space, but i dont like mass produced mediocrity which ultimately satisfies nobody. Just my 2 cents.
I watched Rosemary's baby on prime some 3 years ago and hands down the best horror movie I've ever seen. No monsters, no jump scares, just plain old trick of playing with the mind that left me in a state of pensiveness for the next 3-4 days. The last scene where they don't show the baby while she is rocking the crib was an absolute game changer. Just an amazing film all around. The movies today rely way too much on jump scares without diving into the fear of the unknown. That's why these movies aren't scary anymore.
Action movies have the same problem. If we keep seeing the heroes never having any vulnerability to the antagonists, monsters, or even just *any* obstacle, there's no tension. But the same goes for the monster.
Some of the more effective horror movies hint at the monsters having a weakness that the heroes determine accidentally after the initial threat and display of power. Light is always a classic example. That builds an immediate framework for a tug of war between the heroes and the monster.
Even some "bad" horror movies of the mid-2000s are more effective today because horror movie creators used understand more universally that the formula for success was to build that intellectual tug of war.
You deserve this money for all the high quality content you've given me over this years, but this specific contribution was inspired by hearing you take It Follows down a few pegs.
I truly don't understand why everyone loves that film, happy to hear your critiques 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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When I went to watch this movie last month, I didn't feel the same sense of uncertainty or fear from either the characters or the monster as I would from something older like Alien or The Thing. The movie was so ineffective, predictable and safe, that I accidentally fell asleep; only to wake up ten minutes later for my brother to tell me that essentially nothing happened in the time that I was unconscious.
9:05 I kinda felt the goat demon was a sort of big-lipped alligator moment. It appears for a chase scene then after they slam a door in its face, it just sorta disappears from the movie and nobody brings it up again.
It’s like the writers (executives more likely) don’t allow themselves to veer from the script. Everything’s formulaic because everything’s just a product
I find the worst part of horror movies now is the way they always end. Making the nun 20 feet tall and somehow turning wine into the blood of Christ? Seriously, that’s all they could come up with? It didn’t work once, and we all know it didn’t work again so there’s no pay off. We already know Valak is in the conjuring 2, so it would have been much better to just have him escape and have some actual stakes and not just “good guys win again”
I'm big into horror and have been looking for a movie that'll actually scare me. Modern hollywood films have gotten so bad at being scary that I've had to go to older japanese horror.
Smile was great! It reminded me of The Grudge/ The Ring/ It Follows. It borrows a lot from those films yet makes it into its own unique twist, it has has a lot of Lovecraftian elements to it.
Honestly since I began watching Mike Flanagan's work, other horror works just don't quite do it for me anymore unless they do the proper character work. I can ignore bad monster work if the character work is good.
The best horror movie I've ever seen to this day is still 1963's The Haunting. Directed by Robert Wise and starring Julie Harris, it's an adaptation of the Shirley Jackson novel of the same name. It uses lightining, set design, sound, music, and camera angles to build tension, dread, and terror in the viewer. Nothing goes "bump in the night". It just wants the audience to use its imagination in figuring out what's causing the paranormal activity and being in black and white, everything is obscured enough that you leave feeling scared when it's over.
After experiencing 13 ghosts as a kid no movie can scare me again😅😅😅 even as a kid that was the only movie that legit had me terrified...
Watch skinamarink I'm telling you it's the most scariest horrorfic movie I have ever seen believe me when I say this I said the same thing that scary movies aren't scary anymore till I seen skinamarink
the movie puts you in the perspective of kids like all the shots in the movie are high cuz your in the body of the child it's what the movie wants you to be in the movie makes you comfortable to the point where you think nothing is going to pop out like a cliche jump scare not in this movie it literally waits for you to get comfortable where you think nothing scary is going to happen until it gets you terrified it's the pitch black darkness that's eerie being little made us scared of the unknown that lurks in the dark that's why the movie makes you feel like a child being in the perspective of kids again
Please watch it telling you right now watch it in the dark if you want someone to watch it with you do not allow them to talk at all during the movie good luck
The Grudge scares tf out of me as a kid
Filmento, you don’t even understand how happy I am you made this video a spiritual successor to your La Llorona video! That one was one of my favorites of yours.
0:58 "We should be living in a golden age of horror now, because the tools at the film maker's disposal are better than ever."
The same can be said of Scifi. Of course, the last decade or so of scifi has dedicated itself to proving that technology and effects are no substitute for quality writing (a truth George Lucas pointed out in interviews in the freakin' 1970s!).
The only two people i trust to make horror productions are Robert Eggers and Mike Flanagan. They are 'double handedly' keeping this genre alive
I was just thinking about Flannagan cause I just watched the House of Usher yesterday. He really knows how to balance when and when not to use jumpscares and the background.
ari aster makes good movies. Jordan Peele has been good too.
Ari Aster?
It seems many horror movie makers have forgotten that just startling people with jump scares or exploitative gore isn't real horror, real horror is psychological horror that makes your skin crawl ... and thats very rare these days.
Target audience for new movies (or remakes, or reboots) are new/younger people, not the old folks that seen thousands of movies and think: i seen that before.
I was screaming the entire time “you guys know his freaking name, just say it!”
Also, canon went out the window, wasn’t Maurice retroactively added to the Warren’s presentation as someone who was exorcised and had his exorcism recorded?
I literally saw this last night and the amount of stupid decisions and power inconsistency bothered me so much!
I would love to know how you watch and analyze these movies, because your videos are crazy good. So in depth and logical. Such great talent
Am I the only one that didn't hate it? I don't think it's scary but it's better than the first film but also isn't good. And I see alot of people seem to not like the ending but actually Sister Irene at the end is definitely afraid of Frenchie because she knows that valak isn't done and valak going to come back for Frenchie that leads to The Conjuring 4 I assume maybe 🤷♂️.
I thought the tie in was with the first The Conjuring movie. There's that scene where Carolyn, the mother of the Perron family, went to a presentation given by the Warrens. They were showing a recording from one of their cases and Ed was talking about the victim, a married, middle-aged man named "Maurice". In the first The Nun, they make the story go full circle when Frenchie reveals that his name is Maurice. So, with the Frenchie that the Warrens met being much older and having a family, that was already the spoiler that he hasn't been cleansed.
Number of scary things in The Nun: nun.
The La Llorona reveal caught me. Made me laughin hard
I love how a single youtuber can fix all the problems that multimillion dollar big film studios can't figure out. XD
I love that you included games in the discussion of horror. I have long been of the thought that games are the absolute best medium for horror, for some of the reasons you mentioned here. The difference between experiencing a horror movie, even a truly terrifying one, and a horror game, is vast.
Games have to be crafted in the same way. You need enough agency to immerse yourself and formulate a plan, and not enough to trivialize the experience.
There are horror games that bombard you with artificial horror limitations and don't allow you to immerse yourself in the world, leading to you staying in the skin of the player trying to cheese the puzzle.
If the monster always gets me, I'm bored. Same concept here. The good horror games are those where you are given a full sense of agency and yet, you always feel at the verge of being caught.
Finding good horror movies nowdays is like trying to find gold in a mine, it's incredibly rare and onced you did eventually find a genuinely good horror movie that may not be scary to you but still get chills from it, my brother you have strucked gold in 2023 but sadly you only realized that some of these good horror movies you've find are made like last 2 years ago and realized that horror in 2023 is overrated anyways, in the future it will probably be mocked and ridiculed as the type of genre that fails to spook the audience if they kept putting less effort into it like how I kept putting less effort into my worksheet in school...
You get a jump scare
You get a jump scare
Everyone gets a jump scare...
It's funny because this is the 2nd movie i've walked out on. It was that bad to me and my family. The other movie was the Harry Hill Movie years ago. The nun was pathetically weak and the characters involved were painfully incompetant. Even when it got the item needed to become all powerful and unstoppable it was somehow still beaten in such a pathetic way when it was stated in the movie it's impossible to do so at that point.
I enjoyed that scene with magazines flipping their pages to reveal the Nun. It was pretty creative. Not scary, but creative.
Love your content dude! I have been watching you for a while now. Your videos have helped me a lot with understanding the different components of writting. I'm in film school right now and your videos mean a lot. Keep it up!
I miss the old classics like “the thing” and practical effects, CGI ain’t fun to watch. Also they didn’t cover why the French guy was still possessed after this because of edd and Lauren doing an exorcism on him years after this in the timeline.
Love your work make, have you done a video on Insidious yet? I reckon it deserves a perfection, or just something for James Wan and Leigh Whannel ( yes I stuffed the spelling for their thriller roots. James and Leigh perfected the main stream concept of using sound and tension for mainstream media, key scene Rose Byrne walk the house with tip toe through the tulips playing and you're playing spot the ghost in the coat racks. That quality will exacerbate these spin offs
I'm not even a horror fan, but it's fascinating to hear a proper critique.
There were more attendees at the 27th anniversary showing of the Goonies than this movie's opening weekend. I know because I walked into to see how many people were in there seats - about 13 people in a stadium-seating room. Almost made me sad. Almost.
Brutal video. Loved it. Thank you again for telling it how it is and teaching us to be better.
The sad thing is it was a really well made film, like good tier shit, like shut off your brain and enjoy the jumpscares good, but turn on your brain for one second and you'll see there is no heads or tails to the plot, that it doesn't even change anything or add anything to the series or the characters, this movie simply is, and for that it it as bland as white bread, but then again white bread can be delicious.
Modern horror can also evolve in gems like Talk to me.
Such a phenomenal movie!
Talk to me was very straightforward, I thought it was pretty boring as well
That movie was not scary either, It was mostly a character drama with a "horror" plot that was basically just a metaphor for drug use. The opening scene was great and the rest of the movie was pretty disappointing.
Talk to me was good but still to me not better than Hereditary or The Witch
If only that film didn't have such awful annoying unlikeable characters I probably would have cared more. But no, they do something stupid so I'm in the hands corner.
The last time I genuinely felt bad for a character in a horror situation was the little dog in v/h/s. I’ve empathized for others like in nope but the little dog is the one that got me.
I’m 15 minutes into watching the Nun II and the only scare I got was what this will do to the conjuring universe…
Just watched SAW X yesterday and I would love to see you do a video on SAW. There is so much greatness in this series and I'd love to see you cover it.
10th entry in a very stale franchise yet they knocked it out of the park and may have made the best one. Making John the lead was such a great move.
Being honest i kinda wished the ending revealed this is different timeline and that John lives and events of Saw 3 and over didn't happen. You can see they have been struggling to keep Jigsaw in the films ever since they killed him off so just ignoring every film post Saw 2 could have been a good move and lost all the convoluted baggage the series gained.
I was shocked by the good reviews from critics. Might check it out
I watched The Nun 2 and The Pope’s Exorcist over the weekend with friends who were all super excited for them, and I laughed throughout both movies. They were genuinely hilarious to me. Then I rewatched Don’t Look Now, the 1973 Nicolas Roeg film, and that was scary as hell. I remembered it being slow and taking forever to build to that finale, but that’s what makes horror scary! Buildup is THE key, and if the buildup doesn’t work for the audience, then blasting their eardrums with sound and a spooky nun face won’t do anything but provoke laughter.
Welcome back. Love the calming accent
This is why conjuring 2 and Annabel creation sticks out like a sore thumb in a good way, I think it’s easier to bond with those girls and there feels like there are stakes because our main characters are being tortured. I thought they would continue in that direction creatively.
What movie was that at 15:30?
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The Descent
@@samson6707 dude it's not from the descent. there were no male lead actors in the descent and the monsters there don't look human
I would love to know your thoughts on Talk To Me (2023) and if its worthy of a film perfection video on how to make a good modern horror movie :)
Damien Leone is single handedly saving the American horror movie genre with the Terrifier franchise. No cheap jump scares, no overblown and pointless storylines, no big studio interferance to sanitise it, just good old fashioned terror and gore. Art the Clown is a brilliant character. If you're a horror fan and sick to death of big studio horror-lite, you really need to check that franchise out.
I just think of how many times I've heard over the years "nobody goes to see a horror movie for the movie itself but for the loud noises and screams that mask whatever you're up to with your date" and i honestly think that's all the industry has stuck with. Movies are just background noise now :(
Genuine question for you and the viewers though: What are the top 5 scariest movies to date? What do you consider to be so terrifying that you had trouble sleeping? And I know this varies from person to person, but I would like to hear different opinions.
Skinamarink and Hereditary are mine
I would say "Ju-on 2", the Japanese original.
Then of course "Alien 1".
I would also give "Event Horizon" a try. It reuses a lot of ideas from other movies, but I still enjoyed it.
„Smile“
„It Follows“
„Blair Witch Project“
„[REC]“
„The Thing“
It’s strange to single out horror movies in this way when to me you could describe these issues (recognizable names getting preference from studios over new ips, cliches and tropes abound, failing to deliver on the experience promised) when they clearly exist in many other genres of film nowadays
As always you are at point. Can’t wait to hear/see you’re opinion on exorcist believer.
So true !!! You nailed it, great video . Make horror movies great again 😭
...and I'll be right here, every time.
Filmento's scarier than all new horror films combined
thanks for watching
@@Filmento bro THX you. You've teached me a lot about stories in your videos. IIRC you mentioned that you wanted to be more in touched with your community. I really think a discord server is a good way to do that
I enjoyed it.A decent mid horror flick.
Just that you know, I didn’t get a notification for this video for some reason, but it was in my feed/homepage
Awesome video, that's a WEALTH of insights, thank you so much ❤
You are the best
What's the movie at 15:30?
Apostle (2018)
That thumbnail is scarier than the whole actual movie.
on the whole character thing, I think a good example of how to do that well is what stephen king did in pet cemetery (the book). We spend so much time when seeing the main family have this happy and nice life together, and a lot of the suspense is knowing that it will all come crashing down eventually.
What is the movie at 15:22?
I wanna know too
Apostle (2018)
You're a boss! Thank you@@mikeleddyphoto
It's a shame because the concept of the nun was incredibly terrifying. When it appeared in conjuring 2 it was legit unsettling and uncanny, and it still is I would say. But it's like the creators are lazy with it and settle with the design being scary, instead of actually making the narrative and film itself scary.
Wasn’t Maurice possessed until the Warrens got to him, and isn’t that what caused Loraine to have that traumatizing vision??
This. This exactly. Thank you for bringing into words what my family can't understand when I tell them I was so disappointed in this movie, and yet every other person on planet earth seemed to enjoy this, but thanks my dude for not making me feel crazy because I believe this movie fell flat.
More horror movie criticism please 🙏🏿
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That last part, the resignation, it hits hard.
I totally agree with you but gotta admit the scene with the magazines got me xD