Fans Clash On Man City Charges & Football Traitors | New Fan Debate!
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With The Traitors star Harry Clark on board, we debate who are the Premier League’s biggest traitors.
Joined by Premier League fans from up-and-down the country, our team decide who ranks number one traitor as a player and manager in Premier League history.
From Sol Campbell, Peter Schmeichel and Carlos Tevez joining local enemies to Emmauel Adebayor, Robin van Persie and Jose Mourinho switching to rival clubs, Who do you think deserves to be ranked as the biggest traitor?
Lastly we talk about who are the best and worst owners in the Premier League; who do you think is the divisions best and worst run club?
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00:50 Introduction
01:04 The Traitors Harry Clark
01:50 Who is football’s biggest Traitor?
09:18 Is it different for non-English players switching to rivals?
19:45 Best / worst owners
26:23 Everton & Liverpool owners
29:30 Crystal Palace, Luton & Brighton owners
32:35 Aston Villa owners
33:48 Man City owners and alleged charges with Big Steve
44:19 Adam Mckola responds to Big Steve
46:11 Local ownership
47:57 Who has the best owner?
48:35 Spurs and Daniel Levy
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Who is the biggest traitor in football?
Jamie Carragher for selling out Kate Abdo.
Mauro Icardi
sheikh jassim
The United to City thing just feels fake. They don't really care. Nobody cares about City not even United.
Chelsea fans for having a flag with the shankly gates on it
That Man City guy cracks me up every time, sweating, waffling and acting like he's the CEO... "I'm in the firing line!" 😂
He thinks he's a big wheel down at the cracker factory
“The social meeeeeeediaaaaaaa”
@@mccleandazza4618such a good gag for him 😂
Never has so little power gone to someone's head.
@@mccleandazza4618LOL, nice reference. Had to google it to rememeber.
These City fans are delusional. Maybe up to 10 charges you could think there's a mistake, but 115... Nahhh.
1/3 of those charges are related to "failure to cooperate" and "obstruction". if they are innocent, what are they hiding?
I have supported city since the mid 1980's. get rid of FFP all clubs should be able to spend what ever they like. There was no issue before FFP was put in. get rid of it.
Tbh they spent over 50 years in anonymity so I see the shamelessness now that they’re winning regularly
Your comment Shows you know f all about those charges..Can you please tell me what those charges are?
@@duncankowable they're going off legal advice. If the police turn up at your door tomorrow, without a warrant, saying they're investigating you for fraud and want access to your tax documents would you just let them in your house? No you wouldn't. If your lawyer then tells you don't give them any info or speak to them, you'd listen to your lawyer 🤦♂️
How Steve can defend the fact city brought in more revenue than Barca, real, Liverpool, United etc is utter lunacy
He's a employee of City
Prize money from every competition they win is more than the revenue all you “big teams” bring in 😂😂😂
@@222JT Madrid getting to the semi final didn’t make much less than city winning it. So you’re completely wrong
@@latesha2008tyrese200 I’m talking year after year, £150 million for winning the prem. £450 million from that alone in the last 3 years, plus FA Cup and champions league and league cup
@@222JTit's less than 50 million for winning the league. Winners make about 40m more than the bottom placed...
Lol, Mckola finally said what everyone is thinking but won't say.
It had to be him.
"ARE YOU A LAWYER" Adam McKola does have a law degree as a long time fulltimedevils viewer he should've just said yes
@@sloppygoo haha, that would've destroyed the city guy.
Unfortunately the wrong person, that lad is clueless with 0 zero intellect. Should have been someone else
McKola is just salty
115 charges, 'Nah, I trust my owners' lmao
Gullible is written on the ceiling
Hes not gullible he knows they are at the bollocks hes just takin the P acting like they are innocent.
You literally have no idea what it is like to have trust in your owners. None of the big 6 fanbases love their owners like City do. What do you know about defending and believing in your owners.
guillible or turning into the exact type of NPC that sportswashing states seek out. "i trust my owners because we've won" is textbook sportswashing and they dont realise it😂
@Nightsu most you you don't even know exactly City owners are from or anything about the country specifically. You just know it's the middle east. Sportswashing lol.
He said his whole life is city. It would be hard to admit it's all based on a fraud.
The level of denial this city fans has is incredible
No city fans take the pl charges seriously were expanding our stadium those charges won’t affect us
Made himself look like the fanatical sportswashed supporter everyone knows them for. Its not even denial its delusion.
But if city are found innocent adam mckola was and carragher were saying we are a sportswashing club no matter if we are found innocent you wont accept it and that's denial
@@NightsuYou are crying😂😂....You just want us to agree blindly that we're guilty without even the evidence?? You just want us not to trust our own club for ur own amusement, well guess what?? We are sticking with our club until they are actually found guilty and we'll accept, but until then...cry more
@@toddg_0.0_ average NPC response from another sportswashed bot. its copy and paste at this point. you do realise you've already been found guilty and paid 10s of millions to uefa for breaching rules?
When he tries to deflect the conversation to Gary’s businesses sponsoring Salford and Gary completely shuts the argument down was brilliant 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"my chairman"
The only people I've ever heard using that term are managers, Big Steve is clearly deluded
Deluded why?? Because we're backing our chairman??😂😂u want Big Steve to just say we're guilty without evidence just for ur own amusement
cant be worse than the geordies calling their chairman "his excellency" absolute freaks
He's a proper David Brent
@@toddg_0.0_ I wasn't even referring to the charges, he's not your chairman either 🤣
@@brianmcintyre14 He's our chairman😂😂whether u like it or not he's our chairman lol😂
Having 115 charges and still blindly believing there isn't a probability of them being guilty is beyond me and if they are found guilty they should be stripped off of the titles
Support your local
"Stripped of the titles". Keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He literally said that if City are found Guilty he will hold his hands up & accept, What are u waffling about? Alsi Its Innocent until proven Guilty...
and relegated, and a minimum 4 yr european ban.
@@backbencher10054
Innocent until proven guilty only applies in criminal cases, which Man City are not involved in. City are in a civil case.
115 charges. Im backing my chairman 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He knows something we don’t. Have Man City managed to buy off the right people?
@@winterbird4447 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Spewing the same garbage over and over again won't make it true🤣
He should vote for Trump 2024😂
@@spicytango 🤣🤣🤣
42:01 'I am on the front line' this guy is so dramatic 🤣
On the front line, sat in his ex council semi in beswick with his 70" tv in a 6ft lounge....
“I’m backing my chairman” 😂😂😂 Just own it mate, your clubs cheated it’s way to the top, and you’ve enjoyed the ride.
As long as there's no guilty verdict, im backing the chairman😂😂im not going to accept something against us with no evidence, are u stupid??😂😂😂
@@toddg_0.0_ You don't get THAT MANY charges by doing nothing wrong
@@toddg_0.0_ The evidence is there if you take the tinted glasses off. You’re a state owned sportswashing project, and your success is meaningless to everyone else. I actually don’t mind City winning stuff, cause it just feels like nobody’s won it, and there’s nothing to be jealous of. Good luck to you, I’d enjoy the journey if it was my team too, life’s too short and it’s only footy. But it’s so embarrassing to blindly defend the state that own you like they’re one of the boys 😂
@@MikeK01 First of all, what evidence??😂😂i actually want evidence i can see, same as the court i don't want to speculate i actually want to see it...2nd of all, i couldn't careless what you other people think of our success, because what matters is me enjoying while rivals cry, that's all i want, 3rd of all you are very jealous, it pains u that Mancity win all these trophies and that is why u are even here commenting, ur just lying to urself that u don't, but deep down u wanna cry😂
1 or 2 charges may occur with no evidence. 115 is a very big number. I'd be willing to bet that there must be some evidence
Guy can waffle all he wants. But there will always be an asterisk on the whole thing.
Tainted Treble
I hope for people like you maybe they do get found guilty, because if they don't, please please make sure you have the Samaritans number ready, be safe
Just like Liverpool's *only* PL trophy
Pure jealousy
@@M10ProductionZbitter lad your probably 12
city fans think they make more money than madrid , barca or united ... come on
Barca are skint mate 😂
Barca is broke, but making more money than real and utd is absurd considering their stadium is empty every match.
@@jacksongraham7841 Yes because they are dumb but its easy to fix for Barca. They just need to fix the wage bill and they are fine. The top 3 teams in the world in terms of fans are MU, RM and Barca, they have unlimited comercial potential. Barca just gambled too much on transfers but they will be fine.
"Have more money than madrid, Barca or Utd." FTFY
@@skmnbvcxz Barca is not broke.
I tell you why Big Steve's Argument with Adam McKola is funny: McKola actually has a law degree, with 1st Class honours. So when Big Steve is shouting at Adam "Are you a Lawyer?" Adam could've legitimately said yes. 😂😂🤣🤣
But he's a youtuber, not a practising lawyer
And pundits used to be footballers, not practicing footballers, but they can still speak about the game right? Your point?? @@stumoo4049
@@stumoo4049 But he has a legitimate and sound understanding or law and legal procedures and practices. He may not be a practicing lawyer but he definitely knows the law.
Having a law degree by itself doesn't make you a lawyer
@crunchtimewithcetshwayo4933 absolutely he has a good understanding, but still not the same as somebody practising law every day and familiar with all the ins and outs.
The premier league wouldnt bring 115 charges against a club without being fairly confident some wrong doing has been done. Imagine the embarrassment for the league from having 115 charges thrown out in court, would look like a circus.
Thats exactly what they have done. They have no evidence of wrongdoing.. if they had, it would have been done and dusted months ago.
Trust the Premier League to muck it up. I wish city get their due punishment but I doubt it.
UEFA still went ahead with the case KNOWING City would get off because of some of it being time barred so there's a very big possibility the Premier League would do that 😂
You lot said the same thing about UEFA and then City were not found guilty lol
@ammarbaagu they weren't found not guilty, it was time barred 😂
The reason city are being treated like they are guilty is because 1. They have previous and got off on a time lapse. 2. There's ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN, charges. It's not like we're talking about a little mistake or a slight mismanagement here. We re talking a big number over a prolonged period of time. If I told you "this guys been before a judge 115 times but hes never been convicted",would you immediately think he must still be an allright guy cause hes never been convicted?? Youd think "he must have a serious solicitor or hes the judges lovechild"...Big steve seems a nice lad, and I get he loves the club. But if there's that much smoke ,at some point you have to realize that something isn't right
115 is a lie. Its the same 6 charges repeated every year.
Either way, it's 6 more on top of a previous technicality. At some point this has to be called out, otherwise what's the point in even having a rule book. City are either guilty as hell or they're very badly run (meaning they keep getting charged on things that are preventable )
They didn't get off on a 'time lapse'. Many of the things UEFA were unhappy with were more recent. These things are hard to prove, as a lot of people are involved. For the UEFA case, they found no evidence. Unless the PL are able to provide more, it may be a similar outcome, and there's no reason to think that wouldn't happen. Don't be fooled by the large number
@@PorkChopExpress86 No it's not "either way" it is a fact that there are ONLY FIVE CHARGES with sub clauses totaling the 115. With two of the 5 charge being duplicate charge. The Prem are trying to RELITIGATE a settled matter via the CAS ruling due to the "pressures" of English clubs looking to "slow" City's win rate. The clubs that petitioned UEFA are...
Burnley,
Wolves,
Leicester,
Newcastle,
Spurs,
Arsenal,
Manchester United,
Liverpool,
Chelsea
These are FACTS.
It was ruled that owners money was disguised as sponsorship. Fact. The overturn was down to a time lapse. Bottom line, ownership money camouflaged as sponsors money is cheating. We can slice it anyway ,doesn't matter. It happened
if found guilty the only appropriate punishment would be relegation and stripped of all titles won
Nope, will only pay a huge fine and all will be forgotten
Haven't watched the full video yet but aren't the charges related to issues up to 2018? Be interesting to see what happens with everything they won before then.
Personally, I would give them a 30 point deduction EVERY season for the next 10 yrs. Only fair to punish them for the same amount of yrs that they have benefited from the cheating..
They are going to win this case. Don't put your hopes high lad.
Sadly, they have more money than the Premier League. So they'll hire the best lawyers on earth and will likely get all charges dropped.
Phil Mitchell is in denial
Ah now 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Rui pinto the hacker is the reason all this started he exposed all the email leaks from city to the world
City fans have more connection to a state financial group and team of lawyers than the actual football club.
And u rivals know alot about the 115 charges more than the EPL themselves😂
@@toddg_0.0_isn’t it ironic how the only reason you haven’t been charged with breaching financial fair play is purely based on the fact you’re able to buy your way out of a conviction
@@alphomega2459proving his point 😂
What ?
@Nightsu
🤣🤣🤣
"allegedly".....come on mate, you knew this question was coming, and that's the best defence you can come up with......
Do you realise a court date hasn’t been released yet??
@@madeleinemcfc really can't argue with stupid can you 🤷♂️
City haters just blurt out words, false statements, with emotion or sometimes just one word buzzword answers(catchphrases) and then act like they've won(manchildren)... 'Pigeons and chessboards' springs to mind. That's why Steve was 100% right to remind him, there has been no verdict. UEFA were shown to have no evidence at CAS, the majority of Etihad stuff was judged on. Anything that wasn't judged on it's disingenuous(and stupidly convenient) to claim 'ah that timebarred one would have been the one they could prove' why? Because plenty of stuff was judged on if you bothered to read the report, a PATTERN WAS ESTABLISHED in how UEFA came to their verdicts in their not so independent arbitration. They hadn't done the due diligence, they hadn't governed their own regulations in accordance with swiss law. That goes for meeting the bare minimum standard of proof for their verdicts and also knowing what was time barred. The inclusion of time barring was a legal requirement based off of swiss law too.
@@daymo.youtube4936What about the innocent until proven guilty phrase?
City are guilty. Just the fact they say they bring in the most revenue in world football speaks volumes. But they will drag it out, muddy the waters, pay off people and get off. But they ARE guilty
They win the most trophies every year and make a lot from player sells so to it’s not completely far fetched to think they make the most revenues
@@danielquaisie2420 but based on purely commercial sponsorship revenue it dosnt make sense for them to out-earn the big hitter clubs. If i was to sponsor a club i would want to sponsor city for their success but i would more want to sponsor Real Madrid/Utd etc due to significantly greater exposure. Thats what its about, exposure. And no offence but City dont really move the needle with fanbases or the media. Nobody clicks on City articles do they?
@@danielquaisie2420 mate, no offence, you don't know what you are talking about.
Recent shirt sale figures didn't even have city in the top 10..yet they act their finances are No1 in the world 😂
@@Surveillance-Ys ''cry more'' is the response to such points from city fans
The guy that said lukaku was a traitor and blaming him for their downfall that season is funny haha
But not entirely wrong. Lukaku is a selfish mofo
Tbf Chelsea are really scraping around to find a proper traitor of the Sol Campbell type. Lukaku is probably the closest thing I can think of in the last 20 years. Maybe Courtois the way he said he was staying all summer then refused to report to training and handed in a transfer request 4 days before the first game of the season. Perhaps Poyet? But even he was kind of pushed out and told he wasn't needed but still, he went to Tottenham and then celebrated like crazy when they beat us 5-1 at the Lane in the cup.
This was fun. 😂
You a real one bro bro
Wish you'd gone in harder, bro.
look like you were about to cry mate.
Thank you for standing up to the city tosser.
City represent everything wrong with modern day football.
Where were you when with the invention of the premier league, Man Utd were allowed to have very little competition to stop them winning far too much.
It's even more obvious when prior to the premier league, they weren't exactly that great.
As do Chelsea
Everything right.
@@motr1912 Showing your real lack of knowledge here
This man has no football knowledge haha
When the owner of man city is your main sponsor instead of Etihad behind closed doors😂😂😂
yup trust your club
Just like PSG and Chelsea's?
@@M10ProductionZyes. Just like them. So all equally guilty of the same thing. 👍
@@M10ProductionZ whataboutery
@@M10ProductionZFred West used a similar defence with Myra Hindley
@@M10ProductionZ the fact your defaulted to what-abouttery proves that you know city are guilty. The fact you will reply to this with ''cry more'' underlines that point.
“I’m on the front line” yeah it’s life or death ain’t it Steve 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why is he callled Big Steve ? There's nothing big about him ,except his big Bald head. Should change his nickname to Big Baldy 😂😂😂
He used to be way bigger.
Boss baby 🍼
Big personality.
Christ on a bike, these City fans are deluded. You simply can't have double your income like the way they have gone about it
When you win 7 titles in the last 14 years multiple semi final in ucl a treble now you really think that clubs income wont go up half of those are charges are for non cooperation becuase the red carted clubs want us out
The Prem are trying to RELITIGATE a settled matter via the CAS ruling due to the "pressures" of English clubs looking to "slow" City's win rate. The clubs that petitioned UEFA are...
Burnley,
Wolves,
Leicester,
Newcastle,
Spurs,
Arsenal,
Manchester United,
Liverpool,
Chelsea
This is a fact.
How are we deluded for not ditching our club. Its like you want us to run away 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Is that your expert football finance opinion. What's ure qualifications to speak on this. It has to be more than being a average rival fans.
Christ on a bike 😂😂😂
whenever i heard about "man city supporters", i will always remember an interview where Pep beg for "man city supporters" to come and fill in the stadium in UCL match, and that's not even the funny part, after that interview, "man city supporters" spoke person replied also in an interview said that Pep asking too much for them and that Pep needs to stick just to manage the club. LOL 🤣
But when Klopp and Arteta do that calling the fans out is ok?
Greatest ever manager in their club's history by quite some distance begging just for a bit more home support and the plastic, entitled glory hunters start lecturing him to stay in his lane & just keep serving up win after win in a sea of empty seas and half full stadium. They made me almost sorry for Guardiola, and believe you me that is near impossible to feel sympathy for the man, in having such a arrogant, can't be arsed fanbase despite him serving up a sporting dynasty for them all to crow over. Oh, they will type furiously online over how great they are, turn up to get on TV and on platforms like Neville's overlap online but ask them to turn up to the Etihad and make some noise? Nah, piss off Pep, but do make sure to carry on winning so that I keep using the reflected glory to boost my footballing ego in online arguments vs rival fanbases.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 noone's reading your essay.
@ciaranoconnell4783 dry your eyes
@@agueroooooooo3120 You clearly did b/c you got needled enough to respond. Struck a nerve, did I?
They’re so obviously guilty it’s unreal. The only question is whether the premier league have the balls to punish them.
How are we so obviously guilty? Can you even name a single charge.. nah you’re just bitter.
If Steve just like the rest of us saw Utd winning trophies on trophies being deemed the most profitable club in England for decades & still not overtake Real Madrid & Barca as highest earners… thinks city can do it after one treble & one champions leagues then that club are leading him down the path 😂
They have been consistently winning for a decade, Haaland shirts are everywhere abroad. I was in Brazil last year and didn’t see a single United or Liverpool shirt but tons of city shirts. If you think they are still at the same level as they were in 2014 you are mental.
- City consistently have to give away free tickets to school kids and RAF staff in order to fill their relatively small capacity stadium
- Citys sponsors are owned by family members of Citys owners, which is literally the definition of related party transactions (IAS international accounting standard rule 24).
- City are reporting greater commercial revenue than Real Madrid, per their annual published club accounts.
- The Prem have literally charged city for 115 breaches of rules that city agreed to operate within, which includes breaches of financial reporting accuracy and lack of cooperation.
Each of these 4 points are facts and based on public information, and it doesn't take sherlock holmes to connect these dots up and draw the conclusion that city are guilty.
Until evidence of the contrary is provided this will quite rightly remain to be the case.
I did my integrated masters in Sheffield between 2014-2018.
We used to get offered discounted tickets at the students union for City. Half my flat went to Barcelona in the champions league, many of whom didn't even watch football.
Meanwhile, I had a junior gunner membership, now a red membership and been on the season ticket waiting list for 12 years. Struggling to get tickets this year.
City are not a big club.
Couple years ago Man City vs Liverpool semi final champions league, no chance I could get a 1st leg ticket via Liverpool so decided I'd go the 2nd leg at city. I had to buy a city membership and a random prem game ticket (bought but didn't attend) in order to qualify.
Obviously with the membership and prem game ticket I'd paid a little extra but it was worth it to sit with the city fans and witness those disgruntled face at close quarters 😂...... I wouldn't like to guess how many, but it appeared obvious there was a large number of fellow Reds in my section.
@@alexjmurphy2145 its crazy isn't it.
Etihad at its worst is empty, and at its best is half full of giveaway tickets or opposition fans.
Even their social media following has been proven to be filled with bots.
Just a small club doing big things. So proud of City.
@@rakimrobinsonMCFC Oh yes mate, a genuine underdog sporting story you guys got going on over there at City.
Time to stop making documentaries about the busby babes and how MUFC brushed themselves off and bounced back to become the first english champions of europe.
Time to stop making documentaries about the class of 92 and how harnessing the clubs academy lead to the first ever english treble.
Its time to start making documentaries about how a middle eastern state bought a small club and pumped loads of money into it, breaking rules while doing so. now THAT is a real heart warming tale of sporting triumph!
Three cheers for Man Citeh!
How can a club that cant fill their stadium earn the revenue they claim, i despise man city and i despise liverpool, but at least Liverpool FC have a respect, Man City era is tainted.
They fill their stadium every week while becoming bigger and bigger? Most of young kids today are ending up supporting Man City and their fanbase keeps growing.
@@M10ProductionZi wonder why? Cheating
@@M10ProductionZ20,000 empty seats, are you fucking sure
@@Justmemes551the fact you call shirts ‘jerseys’ says it all!
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Sportswashing has worked nicely on Steve
Sportswashing by the red cartel clubs yes
@@ceostreams 🤡
Absolute jokers these City fans, I'm sure he took prince Andrew at his word when he say he didn't do a thing 😂
Is he in any way shape or form connected to him??
@@toddg_0.0_ to Prince Andrew, not sure but he seems like the type!
@@Lioris13 Because if my dad did something and he said he didn't do it, id believe him...until i see the evidence, then id accept he did it....same with Mancity, that's his club...and as long as there's no guilty verdict, why should he accept??
@@toddg_0.0_ because there's so much evidence & they only ducked the UEFA charges due to how they got the evidence 😂 he's not the owners kid, critical thinking is a thing & this isn't a conspiracy theory. City Group have dragged it out for years now, despite saying they want their day in court
@@toddg_0.0_there is evidence that Andrew is guilty but the royal family and British goverment won’t allow him to go over to the us and be questioned properly he’s as guilty as guilty could be same for Man City
Steve doesn’t agree with the notion that they could be guilty
Can't blame him though most of the charges are ridiculous. Charges about length of grass and amount of staff is just crazy. 37:30
@@M10ProductionZit’s like saying ‘you have to ignore the charges for murder because we have also been charged with a small car parking ticket’
They wont
Brown envelopes
@@samwize28took it to the extreme there mate that’s a really bad comparison
Why did they cut away from mckola rattling steve
It is probably that something potentially libellous was said
Steve probably mentioned United’s 700 million in debt that was stated in the financial report this week. Even after the buy out. Gary thought United fans have had enough pain.
Not a shout about Steve Bruce as a manager. He managed Newcastle, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd, Wednesday, Birmingham and Villa 😂
As much as the FFP 115 is a big deal, Steve is right that the Premier League board itself is a mess. First mention of a regulator and suddenly clubs are having their finances scrutinised - but as shown with Everton the League don't know how to apply their own rules.
Only Liverpool Man Utd and sheff wed have ever been done for the disgrace of matchfixing.The witch hunt against city is that we are loaded and other clubs are trying to create another city we buy quality players and they spend millions on players and buy shite!!!! Is that citys fault?
Does big Steve not get bored using the underdog mentality 24/7?
Hes a clown mate
Inferiority complex runs deep with that lot. They know deep down they're a tiny unimportant club that don't belong, regardless of whatever success they've had.
One minute they’re underdogs, next minute they’re the “big blue shark” - Steve’s actual words 🤢
But it’s true? City were the underdog for years
@@nickil9997 treble winning underdogs 😪 poor little babies!
City fans with their heads in the sand as usual. Plastics
Absolutely. It will be a big shock when they are relegated to the non league level
Most United fans will never admit they are actually fergie fans and not fans of the club. I'd call them plastic
Why not the clouds. They are currently very successful
Why not trust the owners they said the same thing about the UEFA charges and it's been disproved.
Big Steve is absolutely the exception to Plastic. He's far from that.
More of these debates👍
I’ve seen the City guy outside the Etihad in full kit, including shin pads. Screaming at Pigeons “I can’t take the pressure”
Rui pinto the hacker is the reason all this started he exposed all the email leaks from city to the world
This Steve dude is beyond delusional lmao
So if he back his team he's delusional😂if he runs away he's a plastic?? Are u people braindead?😂
@@toddg_0.0_no he is delusional, acting as if 115 charges were just pulled up from the ground with no basis as basically a hit job is delusional. You don’t get charged 115 times and absolutely none of them are legitimate
@@toddg_0.0_ There's a difference between backing your team and blindly defending your team from all kinds of allegations. Sad how you can't understand such a simple difference.
@@Nordic-Caveman You don't like Mancity and that is why its "blindly" to you, Mancity means nothing to u, so ofcourse ur going to accept anything bad about them, they can come out and say Pep and KDB were killing someone on the street, and u will immediately accept it without question....for us, Mancity is in our blood, so we need to see the actual physical evidence to accept anything
@@Nordic-Cavemanthank you
Only 8 of them spoke, were the rest just extras?
Yeah pretty much
They probably spoke, but edited out 💀
One of them had a Wigan shirt on... that should answer your question 😂
Big Steve's head is as big as it is cos of all the mental gymnastics he does to try and convince himself that everyrhing is above board 😂
Rui pinto the hacker is the reason all this started he exposed all the email leaks from city to the world, and now they are denying ADUG is involved
Give city a relegation for every 25 charges (which should put them in the national league), stripped of all charges and a 10 year transfer ban
More chance of Arsenal, United or Liverpool winning the league 🤣🤣🤣🤣 now keep crying.
34:44 they're not mutually exclusive mate. A foreign state could come through on promises of investment on and off the field, AND be cheating at the same time. It's really not that difficult to compute. Being ambitious and serious about winning, doesn't mean you're not a cheat. Cheating, especially on your alleged scale, is driven by ambition; more specifically (amongst other motivations such as desperation, and residual benefits like prizemoney) a desire to be PERCEIVED as the best, not necessarily to be the best. You don't tend to see cheats that are indifferent about winning. You won't see the skinny gamer nerd cheat in PE class, because why would they care? If we followed your line of logic, the Glazers are more likely to be cheats than City Group, and even you would admit that's a pretty nonsensical idea to reconcile.
It's like saying you trust Lance Armstrong because he started the Livestrong charity. You don't have to like it, but you need to accept that everyone with half a brain cell and not connected with City, can put 2 and 2 together and decide that your owners are likely a collection of cheating scumbags. People can tell that things don't add up, and the more charges that add up, the less things add up about your supposed legitimacy.
When you factor in where you started from and the financial rules you've had to abide by, your footballing and financial success been far too meteoric. It doesn't. Add. Up.
This is what riles everyone about your fanbase, because you lack the spine to at least concede that your club has a case to answer. And your counter-evidence? *Bangs fist on the table* - "BECAUSE I LOVE MY CHAIRMAN". It's very odd behaviour.
Bang on
Baldy is in denial
FFP didn’t actually start until City were already the best team in England. So there is nothing really to add up.
@@TP-pq9xx not exaclty, financial doping is still financial doping those rules were made because it's clearly an unfair advantage to have every one of your sponsors be the same owner that owns the club. Can make sponsors so much larger than they actually should be
@@Rahulkay23 Financial doping isn’t financial doping if it’s not against the rules. Its a made up, relative term to begin with. City didn’t break any rules to become one of the best teams in Europe. That’s a fact.
Baldy is delusional 😂😂😂😂😂
Because he's backingb his club??
@toddg2665 did you listen too the tripe outta his mouth? He claims its a few charges???? Its 115+ get a grip
Can't wait for the day the charges get dropped CTID
What was interesting was the city fans defence of the huge over marker sponsorship deals, was multi club operations. Not tenable really, some clubs are in small markets, some are in leagues where the team has no impact, one country the football fans prefer foreign football then local . Some clubs have small league presence and also other sports are more popular. Plus the sponsors are advertising city and there players and not the player from Montevideo, Yokohama or Melbourne, they are using kdb or Harland.
Al Murray meets Max Branning spoke the most but embarassed himself the most too.
It's 115 charges not 1, 2, 10 or 15. It's 115, of course everyone think you're guilty. What does he mean 'allegedly' lmao
They were also found guilty by uefa and rather than prove they were innocent used a legal loop hole of charges being time barred to get off. So imagine saying you have the evidence to prove you didn't commit a crime but rather than use it you just use a loop hole instead that leaves the a cloud hanging over you.
if there's an easier way to do something im taking it, because evidence showing in court wpuld have taken a long time and by that time City were already banned so there was no time so they used the easy one to be solved quick
Mate they broke it down to 115 charges to make it look sensational so the likes of you lot would wet your pants and think there's no smoke without fire.
Just what he means…allegedly…look it up. Strange concept eh? If 115 was case closed then what’s the hold up?
@@ref0910 @rayj737 why is it that Newcastle all of a sudden can't spend?
Nice way to start the day
WHY ARE THESE SO LOUD 19:28 (love the show btw)
Man City bringing in most commercial money legitimately is the most laughable thing I have ever heard.
Abu Dhabi using sponsors they are involved in to inflate the sponsorship
Utter nonsense
Baz seems such a great guy, you can talk football to him all day.
He has a podcast I think, he invited Carra anyways, and they sat in a pub and just talked for an hour. It was a great watch.
Im a red and baz is good stuff, imagine how big he would of been if he was red
@@olavjorvik94 he does Toffee TV and More Than a Game.
Yeah he's good listen to him on the Everton podcast he certainly knows his stuff proper evertonian
Baz , top man knows the game and gives an honest opinion.
Imagine having 115 charges....you'll be labelled as a career criminal 😂😂
As long as they are not found guilty they are fine
@toddg2665 115 charges . Its not like its only 2 or 3. Its over 100 🤣🤣
Cooked charges@@jayjay-nk8eu
@jayjay-nk8eu they'll get them on failure to comply, but there no actual cheating. That failure to comply will be exploded as them being found guilty and the cheating unable to be proven will be seen as corruption. The story has been written.
Brilliant as always 👏🏻👏🏻
4 year long investigation and 115 charges - Steve: "must be nothing"
Baz is always such a breath of fresh air when you consider fans like Big Steve.
The city chap is really going out on a limb haha - desperate defence
Worst owners are the Glazers without exception. Took the biggest, richest and most successful club in England / the Premier League and lumbered them with debt, mismanaged the structure, practically invisible, no proper / strategic investment, complete focus on income, which is then used to provide non-football activities…
There’s zero argument on this. Every other club should agree, surely?
I do (I'm a Gooner). The leveraged buyout the Glazers did to buy Utd was disgusting and immoral and should have been rejected immediately by Parliament.
i can relate after being used by Ashley for years.
Great Stuff!
I almost feel soory for that poor 115FC supporter. How awkward , trying to defend the indefensible.
Love how Steve keeps avoiding the city bring in the most revenue bollocks
City the most revenue…and what’s wrong with that?
@@rayj737because it’s delusional mate
@@l-x- revenue doesn’t just go of trophies won it goes off ticket sales and shirt sales etc city can’t even fill there stadium
@@l-x-tiny fanbase compared to any other top 5 clubs therefore smaller revenue
@@l-x- your going of last year what about when they first came in and bought players like Robinho for big money do u think they had enough revenue to get players like that at the time without breaking fair play that is delusional
Not EPL but so it’s Scotland, when Celtic legend Mo Johnstone was returning to Celtic after a spell away, had photos with the scarf and everything and signed for Rangers the next day. My dad can’t even mention his name
Can we have different teams next episode? It’s nice to talk about FFP, but what about Gary O Neil taking Wolves to 9th?
Can’t blame Sol Campbell for wanting to win the league at White Hart Lane and then going on to do it.
Sol Campbell left Tottenham and did An invincible and league and Cup double
I can and I do
@@jimfox1477invincible 😂
It’s not allegedly uefa charged city. You are found guilty and got away with it because of time barring. It’s not allegedly your guilty
well said
Its allegedly😂😂because the EPL has not found City guilty😂lmao
@@toddg_0.0_not yet but they will and pep will run off crying because his legacy will be destroyed
While the time barring played a factor, the CAS reviewed that evidence as well and found no evidence of wrong doing. Everyone tends to leave that part when speaking about the outcome. Guess it doesn’t fit the narrative.
@@willtallis5275Delusional...
I felt hurt when liverpool won the league. I felt hurt when liverpool won the champions league. I never felt hurt for any of city’s ‘achievements’. I felt that it was a loss for all of football. Everyone must play by the same rules and i will not acknowledge anything ‘achieved’ whilst you get ahead of everyone by doing things they can’t get away with.
Cry more
Props Matisse for representing us 👏
You'll never beat Mo Johnston signing for Rangers after being paraded at Celtic Park a few weeks before it.
Big Steve dude .. how can one be so dillusional
Klopp has definitely worked miracles, he’s made 20 year olds dominate Man City (cheats) the best team in the country at Anfield…he will be a massive loss unfortunately, even with Alonso
Klopp has also won every trophy there is, multiple times, with also having a smaller squad and bad long term injuries in 2 or 3 seasons
Liverpool’s net spend is way below Man City, Man United and Chelsea
Do you understand what multiple means?
'115 charges against Dr Shipman....i trust my GP.'
If it was 1 or 2 charges, then I could maybe understand saying "I trust the owners". But it's not 1 or 2... It's 115! Have you never heard the expression, there's no smoke without fire? Because that's a lot of smoke right there.
Every one knows there is something wrong but no one can prove I would be very happy if they were proved guilty
Why don’t you give a voice to the other clubs represented in the room. While I don’t mind the lads from Everton, Chelsea, Spurs and Utd please let others have there say
115 Charges, if proven they should be stripped of ALL titles & cups & relegated to division 2 at least.
Still won't stop Arsenal and United being bottlers 🤣🤣🤣 keep crying you victim.
@@AlwaysTheVictim2024 IF you have to CHEAT to win, you have NOT won anything.
Thought I'd eventually get tired of the Gary and Carra combo but it's still brilliant, the Ant and Dec of football.
The Citeh version of Ty.
This show has just have people stating the obvious McKola is the only one going all out 😂
I’ll say it since no one else will:
Why is the music they play when transitioning scenes shouting at me?
Liverpool have the best ownership in world football.
Won everything, huge revenue streams, phenomenal renovation of the stadium. Clubs value has increased by billions.
90% of signings have worked.
Huge profits on player outgoings.
Does steve know all his sponsorships are owned by his clubs owner 😂
Since when did mansour own puma?
@@shelbotsbrain8017 so you are saying city are innocent of any wrong doing?
@@samwize28 no
@@shelbotsbrain8017 well said. City have cheated and deserve to be punished for it. A black mark will forever stain their accomplishments and the clubs history
@@samwize28 not what im saying
Glad I got to watch the Gillette advert 6 times.
City fans live in a bubble where they think other people respect or admire their achievements, despite their claims they don't care what anyone thinks. They hope that their crimes will be forgotten and their achievements will one day be accepted, but they will forever be asterixed
Arsenal cheated and were called the bank of England yet they're forgotten
Confused as to why there's some random fella with an Inter shirt, do they pay you for a sponsorship or something?
Get a supporter debate. Real supporters, not content creators
Tell me about it
What's wrong with these fans??
@@matthewflynn6837 What's wrong with society. The sane answer applies to both questions
Not Italian, but I know that Italians VERY much care about the switch to rivals.
Google Higuain to Juve from Napoli for proof.
But it does seem more usual for players in Italian football to not hesitate to switch between rivals, if not always directly between than at different points in careers.
Zlatan (Milan, Inter and Juventus)
Baggio (Milan, Inter and Juventus)
Inzaghi (Milan and Juventus)
Ronaldo (Inter and Milan)
Cannavaro (Inter and Juventus)
Vieri (Inter, Milan and Juventus)
Crespo (Inter and Milan)
Etc.
@@Fabio035 Agree with that, I feel that in a lot of cases people clearly want to stay in Italy, like Pirlo for instance played for loads but wanting to stay in Italy clearly doesn’t leave a lot of options.
So maybe it is normalised to move between them but maybe there’s a good way to transfer and a bad way in Italy.
Not interested in hearing CZcamsrs waffling, got more than enough of that already! Hope Stick to Football is back this week.
Wow. Are all City fans that deluded? They can't even fill their stadium and they make more commercial revenue than Real Madrid??
Yeah. City have 29 sponsorship deals. While Real only have 15.
But you are not ready to face the reality.
@@enggarbaskara5326 why does a less popular club have more deals than the most popular club? Make it make sense
@@mercurialblondeis it written that you’re not allowed to have such a thing?
Abu Dhabi FC self sponsor. Genuine clubs have genuine sponsors. That's the difference.
@@davidspion9548 You’re much better than that bro cmon
Wait a minute, didnt Citeh get a sponsorship from a "crypto exchange" that literally has no web page, contact, etc ?
Edit: 3Key was the company's name. What's the bet there are other "sponsorships" like that
''cry more'' is what i believe would be the legitimate defence to this point from city fans and officials
@@samwize28cry more
Yes and the sponsorship was swiftly suspended
@@ceostreams so to confirm - you are saying that City literally attempted to purposely used a fake sponsors to falsify their income?
And yet city fans are adamant they are innocent of the 115 charges....
The city fans denial is so weird - the footyleaks stuff literally showed that they’d been giving Mancini extra cash in the digital equivalent of brown envelopes. Their success is tainted, like it or not
In you're opinion
In your opinion- which is what the red mafia want! They can’t compete in any other way so this is what they’re left with- using their premier league puppet to throw as much mud as possible!
They paid mancini a bit too much money? Strip all their titles! Relegate them! 😂
@@Adamjames123 yes in his opinion, and in the opinion of 99% of football fans. I would hate for my clubs success to not be respected by 99% of the sports spectators.
@hyywe240 footyleaks leaked a lot of stuff about the tax fraud done by Messi and Ronaldo for which they were sentenced to jail and they didn't serve it.
They also leaked info about Ronaldos rape case which was untrue allegedly. They leaked PSG's shaddy deals, Liverpool hacking city's computers, shade on UEFA president and many more. Most of these has been proven false allegedly.
this channel is on fire!!!
Absolutely brilliant pundits and great stalwarts of football clubs sat having debates with fans just a great cross over fans get the understanding of the players and players are actually hearing fans ❤❤
“Manchester City’s my life”. Fella needs to go outside a bit more
You are here commenting on a video of him having a chat with EPL players😂😂and r talking about "Fella needs to outside" instead of watching him, u go outside 😂
If you go area near city there is big queue full of people well that's the chippy anyway not sure about stadium tours
It's a pity his Manchester City ceased to exist some time ago, then. All he has to support now is the name which is used as a shell by a sportswashing state. The 'fans' are simply useful idiots now. Apologists for a despotic state that's using them for political ends.
I was at the Adebayor celebration game, Arsenal fans being racist towards him and his family for the whole game - best celebration ever.
I wonder where Jamie Cara got that black shirt from? plain but the quality looks banging