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The R211T Is In Service! - My Thoughts
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- Last week, the MTA's new R211T subway cars went into service on the (C) Line. These cars feature open gangways that allow people to freely move between the cars, and adds capacity to the trainsets. In this video, I share my experience and give my thought on these new subway cars.
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0:00 Intro
1:03 Ride Quality
1:40 New Features
3:23 The Gangways
6:37 Outro
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The safety concerns really perplex me. These cars have security cameras (unlike older models). And if there is a disruptive passenger it is much safer to be able to move than it is to be trapped in the car with them until the next stop. I think it can be fun to clown on the MTA (and sometimes it's deserved) but people should really think this through instead of just criticizing them because they're new.
It’s such a poor argument against them, people acting like disruptive passengers or predators are an exclusively NYC problem. Never heard that being a complaint of open gangway cars “making it hard to get escape disruptive passengers” in other modern networks
honolulus metro has this too.
@@Monkeyboy000009or they act like those ppl can't just walk between the cars or get off at the next stop and then walk to the car.....
The only inconvenience this may bring is that if you have a homeless person stinking up one train car, it may linger over a little bit into the next car. Other than that, there’s no real safety concern.
The camera are cope if they're never used for criminal prosecutions
I really like these new R211T subway cars! They are definitely an improvement over the regular R211As. I rode on the hard shell version and I definitely would agree with you, the soft shell in that regard has more room. While the hard shell one that I rode is good, I feel like it offers less space, but overall I’ve noticed the crowd flow is still better than it would be on the R211A counterparts. My only issue is mainly the bright blue colors for the signage, but that’s a small nitpick. Overall great solid subway cars with room for improvement!
I rode on an R211 last night, and I give it a thumbs up on the smoothness of the ride. I didn't get to look through or walk through the gangway because it was crowded with teen influencers who were making their videos. The seating arrangements is something I need to get used to as the benches feel smaller than in other cars.
I haven't been on it yet but I can tell u most of those kids that were recording are foamers probably 😹
@@mysticzyt5894 They are, you mainly see them everywhere on the new train lol
@KatieHuni foamer?
@@longiusaescius2537 People who are obsessed with trains/ are trainspotters (no shade to them); they'll go and get pictures/videos of specific movements of trains and really like it + notice really tiny details like seat patterns, where rolling stock has been built/what batch its from and the id numbers of the trains. Not my cup of tea but good to understand them.
I prefer the hard shell just for appearance purposes. They are beautiful trains, I just wish the bus transfers as shown in the mockup were also on the displays.
I have to be completely honest. I do like that America has FINALLY gotten gangway trains, but that it's some 20, 30 or even 40 years after the rest of the world, is quite amusing. I mean, we've had open gangways on our S-trains since 1996, and in the Paris Metro since the 80s (86, iirc?)
Otherwise, i do find the closed inner gangway a bit annoying, for the reasons you mention. You can't stand there and it's not a very wide space. A big problem for the rush hour.
Greetings from across the pond
You could probably stand there, but not as densely as elsewhere…
Good Morning! I'm William L. Dickerson, Jr. From Brooklyn New York. When I Rode on the R211T Subway Cars on the C Train Line, I was So Amazingly Impressed, because of How Well they've Performed. Therefore, I'm confidently looking forward to seeing these Subway Cars Pass their 30-Day-Test on the Line so that Everyone of Us Will Enjoy Riding them on the IRT Division Real Soon. Besides! It's a Masterpiece!😀♥️💯
The moment we've all been waiting for! I seen these cars a few times and it looks really cool! I've been on the R211A's a few times so I hope to do the same with the R211T's!
I rode on the 211T on Thursday and i was already a big fan of the 211A’s but i love these even more. I loved how spacious the train felt standing up and i personally felt safer on these than any train I’ve ever ridden on in the NYC Subway. The openness of the gangways makes a world of difference. I didn’t get a chance to ride the hard shelled cars but I was on the soft shelled one and i like them a whole lot. The wideness & the handles made for great riding. I love the signage but i saw those signs on a 211A late last year so im glad that they’re not only on the 211T’s but also starting to reappear on the 211A’s too.
These subway cars are a winner. If & when they purchase them for Option 2 as I’m hoping they do, i hope they make the changes necessary so that they can be on lines like the A and any other express line. If there’s any issues for the train crews, i hope the MTA listens to them & resolves them too. These trains have the potential to revolutionize riding in the NYC Subways and I hope that happens. It’s a win-win for everybody.
3:22 Well, idk if it depends on the program, like if the C (let's just say) runs Express between 59th Street & Canal Street, the operator would have to change it to the C to Euclid Av via 8th Av Express/Fulton Street Local the doors would open on the correct side. Unless the Conductor notifies that the doors open on the opposite side if the operator doesn't change the program. Well, just a thought 😅
The train does not open the doors by itself. We have a conductor to do that. As per rule if the train switches from local service to express, the train is yo be discharge, and run empty.
@johnalbanese30 I was implying by the display route program. Not that the doors open by itself. Some passengers would be confused and not aware if the train switches to the Express track. The doors would open on the opposite side where the platform is, when the display is pointing the other direction of where it usually opens. The Conductor would have to indicate the announcement.
I just hope they add planned service changes on the digital displays, even though it’s unlikely to happen
This is a very high quality video man! Good work
Much appreciated!
@@MysticTransitI Agree I also prefer the soft shell
The hard shell could actually be used to stand in. It might be done to hide mechanical systems.
1:48-I wish that our subway cars here in Toronto being used by the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) that are also open gangway had these screens.
3:05-We have a Shepherd Avenue station here in Toronto as well, but it's spelt 'Sheppard'.
Of course they're in service right after I leave new york bruh
I feel really bad for you.
I’m on the C Line so I’ve rode it about 4 times now and I definitely agree with what you said, the ride is amazing and they feel world class. Still disappointed about the small windows and less seating but for that I do get the standing room and door trade off is much better. The only part I disagree is with the gangways, I prefer the closed shell because I feel they’re more inviting for people to stand in, even if that’s not their intended use. Put a grab handle there and I think more people would stand in them. But I’d be happy either way and you’re right the exposed gangways on buses tend to work totally fine. Great video keep it up!
Staying with the same small windows as cars from 50 years ago is really stupid. No reason for it at all.
I rode the r211t on saturday last week. Overall I thought they were really nice and it was funny/cool to see people who don't care about public transit at all being impressed. I think implementing open gangways in general, on at least the IRT routes, would be incredibly useful. The Lexington Avenue Line is always incredibly overcrowded and the extra space would help.
Yeah agreed, I think it's over crowded because it usually takes people to where they wanna go in certain burrows, especially the 7 line which is always crowded because it goes to the most popular areas in NY
Thanks for this informative video. Looking forward to getting back to NYC and riding the soft-shell version of the R211. Heck, hard shell, too! Keep up the good work!
I prefer the hard shell design. It’s more seamless. Yes, I get that it doesn’t allow many people to stand there, but people shouldn’t, they should just walk between cars, not stand between cars.
Not true people can both walk and stand between the cars in the open gangways
Munich's beautiful subway cars introduced ten years ago have hard connections, not a rubbery accordion, in between them. And at least twice the window area, and look cool not like they are already a half century old.
I absolutely love these cars, however I do have one issue. I'm sure you are aware of the fact too, and that is that these trains were told not to operate on really long express corridors (like 59 st - 125 st). I tried to find reasons as to why that is the case, and only found out that in the event of an emergency brake application that conductors can't go in between cars to refunction the train. It's sad to me that these cars (probably having more capacity than the R211As bc of their gangways) are not put on the express lines. But I guess time will tell where these cars are designed to operate!
That is fake news, they can and will run on express trains, they just currently dont, because in the event that something happens just after they started running the new trains, which can happen with new trains, they have a smaller distance to the next station
@@tim333y7it's not fake. That's directly from the MTA safety committee.
Please be quiet if you're not aware of what you're talking about.
Subscribed! I like you do commentary on every video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
As I’ve echoed on previous videos about these new open gangways, this is a great step in the right direction. I’ve been to numerous metros in countless cities around the world and open gangways are standard among newer metro train designs. They’re much safer and vastly prefer them over older closed gangway trains. Smells don’t travel, and it’s nice being able to make your way through the train to a less crowded car or to the operator if necessary. These trains should be implemented as much as possible.
The improved signage has now been put on the r211a trains as well
I haven’t been on the R211T yet, but as someone who often uses the Lex, I hope the R262s end up with this feature given how crowded those lines usually get. Hopefully they consider outside-mounted doors similar to the new BART trains so we can have the big windows back, too.
They could have switched to outside opening doors at least with the previous generation of cars. And decent windows as seen on every other subway system on earth. There are just some hidebound people at MTA who apparently never go anywhere else.
What I think about the R211Ts once they passed. I believe they might change the model Letter to R211B. Just how is with all the A and B divisions R62s, R68s, R142s and R160s. I do love the design of the open gangway soft shell than hard shell. Since it creates more space with the curves and in between handle. The MTA should order more of them for the option 2 order. Thanks for all your info on the R211s.
Rode the R211T about 3 times now. Really like how it feels (and I personally prefer the soft-shell variant as well). However, I remember seeing somewhere that these trains are actually restricted from going down express corridors (i.e. CPW & Fulton St). Although it's not that big of a deal since C trains rarely go express anyway, it still is something to take note of. Otherwise, definitely a great train, can't wait to see more of it in the years to come.
That is false information, they are only running them on non express lines right now, because they just started running them, they can absolutely run express without problems
Love them as well, just hope they don't only run on the C forever 😭
They belong on the R, not the C
@@pbatommy I imagine they’ll make it to the N/Q/W first. The R already uses newer R160s.
Hopefully the MTA can sort out the operating procedures that are currently keeping these trains from running on the express tracks so that we can one day have a complete walkthrough NYC Subway fleet!
The new display signage reminds me of paris metro’s MP-14 Signage, they both show what car your in, where exits are and where to transfer to another line, and it also shows next stations alongside all of that.
I rode the hard shell R211T and I loved it, I think it’s such a cool and beneficial concept for the system, hopefully soon I’ll be able to get the soft shell train so I can see the differences, also I love the new FIND system and the arrows to show which side of the train is opening, I really hope they put that back on the R211As
It’s half hard shell half soft shell. Next time you catch it just got to the other half of you board the hard shell section again
I did ride the r211t. I liked it
Thanks!
I saw a video of the softshell getting pretty animated to a beat, and it showed you can pretend it’s a visualizer if you’re bored. Also the hardshell is like having nicely toned biceps covered by an unsexy skater-cut t-shirt. The train should flex it’s interior flexiness.
I haven't ridden on rhese bur i lije thrm so far. I cant wait for the IRT versións.
I can’t wait for the R211Ss to hit the tracks, sure they may be the same as the As, but we will finally see NTTs on the Staten Island Railway.
Too bad these won't run on the express A line. Its about time we have them in the NYCT system though.
The reason for the existence of hard shells is that what I assume is where two trains are coupled together, the class 377 in the U.K. is a great example, it’s cabs are made of multiple doors and has a shut gangway in front of the driver in order to 1. Couple both trains together in a way that allows passengers to walk in between the two trains, 2. The doors that make up the dashboard are used to close off the disused cabs when coupled to prevent passengers from messing with the controls
The signage isn’t necessary new since the R211A had those features originally. The MTA just kept turning it off they’re finally coming back on
Although I haven’t ridden them yet when I saw the hard shell design I think that is the one they should go for as that would prevent vandals from breaking the soft shell. The Hard shell is better and more supportive, as that would be be better for safety. The Second option along with the R262 and R268 order should come with the hard shell in my opinion. And I hope when it passes it’s test I hope that they test it on an express route like the A line so that express routes can carry more people as those lines have higher ridership than local routes.
The lack of seating it's what I dislike the most. However, I like them overall but seating could have been better.
It’s ok, I prefer to stand!
I definitely can’t wait to ride one of these! Been waiting a long time especially since I thought the first R211s were a bit of a disappointment. You’re right it seems that these open gangways make up for it. So many new useful improvements. Best thing for me personally is that I don’t ever have to worry about getting another summons for walking in between cars while the train is moving. I really don’t get the unsafe concerns, because no train has ever been safe from dangerous determined people anyway, (maybe only R68s). And maybe it’s harder to guard off homeless people who stink up a whole car as well. But, It will definitely prevent suicidal subway surfers. My only issue is less seating on both R211s but the R211T has a better chance of improving the issue. It’s unfortunate that it’s only on the local C track which is known for being one of the worst services in the system. And now why this local track only? Is it not yet ready to run on the outside being that the C runs underground only?
The r211T are so good
I rode on them on a Friday and it's really great to ride them, even people seeing them or riding it have noticed about the feature. The only problem with these cars is the inability to run on the express which a lot of routes have portions of express service and the problems that can occur in between or the equipment that renders the crew to check out the problem because of the open gangway unless the train is in the station and this can affect not only this fleet but the next upcoming fleet of new trains and the MTA needs to look for more problems and combat those issues
Here are my new up to date predictions based on where the R211's would be assigned to:
Eastern Division:
I feel like this is a bit complex since the MTA would have difficulty on where to place the 32 R211's of the second option order. My educated guess is that
Whenever I ride in a open gangway metro train, I like to imagine I'm in the belly of a snake 🐍 as it slithers around the curves of the tunnels.
I'm quite use to open gangway trains with my first experience on them being on the Toronto Rockets for the TTC and the later Mark III SkyTrains in Vancouver.
It's nice that'll New York City will have the open gangway R211Ts as now they'll get to experience riding the snake train 🐍🚈
The next logical Evolution would be combining open gangway with the 75ft shells. You do see that in Hong Kong where they use 75 Footers with five doors in fact my first ride in the Hong Kong MTR was a Metro Cammell MU 5 doors. That way it can finish off R68As. One thing I see with it is that the MTA can shrink the R211T shell for R262s. The example for it is the Train of Many Colors R17 R12s R29s R28s R36WF/MLs which are the shrunk down versions of TOMM R10 R16 R27 R30s
Al least no juveniles won't get out between subway cars during subway surfing since R211t was in service.
As a regular Londoner, I know that one of the biggest issues with modern train networks and all in general is that their system doesn’t have a sense of location, national trains use tripwires that activate certain announcements in the train, but this can be unreliable, as well as the fact that most city metro networks don’t have express stops, the train only can tell which station it is at/in between of by the amount of times the doors have been opened/closed since it’s recalibration at a terminus
NYC uses wheel rotation sensors to gauge the distance between points to trigger the announcements. It works pretty good most days, but then if the wheel slips too much, then the announcements get thrown off and fall behind.
I love the R211Ts. I wish they could just convert all the options so the whole order are R211Ts. Although impossible at this point, these are amazing and I hope , moving forward, the MTA continues to invest in open gangway trains
Option 2 of 437 cars may be Open Gangways.
I know that man can’t wait to see it for myself
The train was fun because the cars still move separately so it's like a roller coaster. But overall it feels more airy and pleasant
3:10
No. It is hard coded which lights switch on when it comes into a station.
Most of Hong Kong's trains, believe it or not, use hard shells. However they do have center poles like the soft shells.
That accent is epic
Mystictransit thtas me in the red shirt 0:43 I'm deadass thtas me and my brother
Still weird not seeing the R32s on the C just don't feel right
Facts, I will forever miss seeing them roar into stations.
@@MysticTransit for real I used to dislike them as a kid but as I got older I learned to love them
Really like the new R211Ts! Rode them on the first two days and I love the freedom of walking between all 5 cars in each set. Sad that they can’t operate on express.
It will one day I tell you that right now. They are definitely gonna work the bugs out of the R211Ts and see what the problems are. Give them time to figure out how are they are gonna work to make all the R211Ts goes Express.
We definitely can not wait until the Brand New R262/As open and close ways comes out for the iRT lines A devisins .
Folding seats? That's new. I primarily ride the 3, 4 and L as I'm in Brownsville.
The engine on the R211 is my favourite in New York ,I like the R211 trains now ,especially the r211T at 7:51 that engine is so good ,I just love the r211A and r211T ,better than any train in America ,I hope nyc will order more r211T trains
Motors
Electric trains don't have engines
@@blue9multimediagroup it’s still a good motor
they just make the same old cars over again and refuces to improvise. I mean yea they did have walk through cars but they still look 70 years old.
Haven't rode it yet but I still maintain that these types of subway cars are just not for New York.
How?
Dude, he said that it will take time to get used to them. But NYC really needed this train!
@@camera9024 I disagree.
I agree I prefer the soft shell
The cars are nice. But they are not new, the TA had similar cars 100 years ago ( D- Types ) They were built for the BMT, ( 3 sets remain in the museum fleet )
The BMT was innovative for its time
I'm from New York and always thought the R211A was useless and the R211T is actually Subway Car of The Future. Sadly I moved to New Jersey so couldn't ride the subway. When I went to visit New York last week I was Railfanning at 42nd Street - Port Authority Bus Terminal and gasped so hard because I saw the R211T. Didn't get too much of a view but heck I got the train.
I’ve been on it. I’m not a fan seats and and I feel open gangways does not equal safety because the conductor will not get out of the car to help somebody in need when I stepped out of the car. If someone is fighting during they can do is get on the radio.
World's worse subway seats. MTA has nothing but contempt for its users.
I was on the R211T it was a nice ride only thing I saw that needed improvement lots of echoing of Announcements from 96th st to W 4th St the outside speaker and interior speaker was trying to play catch up and the PA did sound like a R38 with a loud noise so it was hard to hear what was being said this car was 4040
4:33 does this mean that it is not allowed to stand on the gangways or to actually be allowed to stand on the gangway on a crowded train?
Mystiic 😃
I'm afraid knuckleheads are going to mess with the soft shells :(
I suppose these are the second open gangway rail transit vehicles in the US, after the Honolulu Skyline
I rode the soft-shell R211Ts and I will say the shell is comedically bouncy.
Not to a dangerous extent at all, but it just looks funny.
Overall 10/10 ride I had.
(EDIT) I will miss the R160s though. Classic at this point.
I like both types of open gangways, but let’s imagine if an R262 gangway car set is going through the City Hall or South Ferry loops. It would be ridiculous and I hope the gangway would not fall apart.
Why would that happen?
That's insane thinking.
Pretty sure they have tested these gangways to their maximum limits...
@@blue9multimediagroup the curves on those sections are wayyyy to sharp
Too bad the new trains are still two half-length sets combined and not fixed full-length sets, otherwise it would’ve been possible to walk the full length of the entire train. Also, the trains almost never get split so fixed sets may have been better. The conductor could sit at the very end and use a camera in the center of the train to view passengers and they close the doors.
So are these only for specific lines? Because I’m curious how the gangways behave on tight turns like pulling into jay st, and leaving Fulton st going towards canal
I will say though (from all the videos i've seen of it), that handle bar in the middle of the soft shell gangways is kinda useless since it's constantly swaying back and forth with the train cars instead of remaining at a fixed position.
Im going to jump on the train when I can just to see how difficult it is to hold onto a gangway handle. Should be interesting.
Need the led sign display to show the time, don’t care about door side
Does MTA have any reasons to order any more R211Ts, given that they already started talking about R268s, which will presumably have open gangways?
Replacement of the R46 cars plus service increases related to CBTC installations. There are 754 R46 cars on the property. The amount to replace them is 940. 460 cars is not enough to replace every single one of them, but just half of the fleet. Option 1, which is 640 cars, is already exercised. That’s 1100 cars, enough to retire the remaining half of the R46 fleet and slightly expand the fleet. The other 437 cars will prop up the spare factor.
@@TheRailLeaguer
MTA would have to make a fleet unification decision with deinterlining, because Jamaica and Pitkin Yards would now serve the same lines. So R211's could either serve the (C), (E) and (F) lines via Jamaica and Pitkin Yards, or they could serve the (A), (B), (D) and (G) lines via 207th Street, Concourse and Coney Island Yards. R160's and R179's would serve what the R211's do not. The difference is (8-car) trains the second option order also includes 32 cars or 8(four-car) sets allocated for the Eastern Division which they could either serve the (L) or (M) lines via Fresh Pond Road Yard or Canarsie Yard as for the (J)/(Z) they already have enough NTT's to cover service there so they don't need R211's also if the MTA equips the four-car R211's with wayside signaling they could possibly run on the (L) route
Queens Blvd is the busiest B division corridor in the system and needs extra interior capacity Also again, the R211 has more features that are friendler for tourists, and generally any Intercity or international traveler. The (F) has less connections (only Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Aveune for LGA), but serves the same busy corridor with express tracks therefore Jamaica Strongly needs the R211's also what Jamaica Yard needs more urgently is relief. The (G) can go back to Coney Island along with other displaced R160's.
This isn’t a first for the US nor NYC Transit. Don’t forget the old BMT Triplexes were open gangways! Also.. these cars should cut down on subway surfers who notoriously climb up between cars to get on the roof. This may also cut down on people going between cars to relieve themselves (Before you respond saying they’ll do it anyway, they don’t do it on the 46/68/68A’s where the end doors are locked.
One of the cons is if there a issue with the car the whole trian has to be out of service
That’s not much of an issue.
All I can say re: walk-through cars is: I't s about time.
Just another bark in the kennel of why I left my native city 21 years ago. Open gangway trains are the standard that the planet has been adopting for years for metro systems. Toronto, New York, London, Paris (which began adopting them 20 years ago!), and people back home are complaining that they’re dangerous? As opposed to being locked into a single car if shit happens? Which they complained about for the entire history of the subway system until these trains? Give me a break. The real issue with these train sets is that you cannot walk all the way through an entire 10 car train. That is the real safety concern. Well, and the bone headedness of the MTA not running them on express tracks. This is the same reason it takes New York years to roll out changes to the fare system, or announcements, or anything else. Either the backwards, outdated way my hometown has always done things is considered the best way in the world to do them, or people just bitch and bitch and bitch and never get anything done.
I feel like they should've installed wifi and power outlets in the subway cars
I think the Toronto Rocket gangway system is better, combining the best of both gangway designs
I don’t like r211t I like a more because you can run express also the t accordion design is softer the hard shell is better because soft shell you can bump into someone
Cool trains but when it was running express it keep saying the door would open on the wrong side.
i’m sure mta will realize that soon and make the changes.
Toronto had these years ago
I don't know why they still want to order 4 car sets. The open gangway 4 car sets should go to the L. The 143s on the L could use a rehab. For now I'll stick to my 68s on the B line lol.
Probably for increased L and M service.
@@TheRailLeaguer
MTA would have to make a fleet unification decision with deinterlining, because Jamaica and Pitkin Yards would now serve the same lines. So R211's could either serve the (C), (E) and (F) lines via Jamaica and Pitkin Yards, or they could serve the (A), (B), (D) and (G) lines via 207th Street, Concourse and Coney Island Yards. R160's and R179's would serve what the R211's do not. The difference is (8-car) trains the second option order also includes 32 cars or 8(four-car) sets allocated for the Eastern Division which they could either serve the (L) or (M) lines via Fresh Pond Road Yard or Canarsie Yard as for the (J)/(Z) they already have enough NTT's to cover service there so they don't need R211's also if the MTA equips the four-car R211's with wayside signaling they could possibly run on the (L) route
Queens Blvd is the busiest B division corridor in the system and needs extra interior capacity Also again, the R211 has more features that are friendler for tourists, and generally any Intercity or international traveler. The (F) has less connections (only Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Aveune for LGA), but serves the same busy corridor with express tracks therefore Jamaica Strongly needs the R211's also what Jamaica Yard needs more urgently is relief. The (G) can go back to Coney Island along with other displaced R160's.
The C is a ten car train now?
Is no save for the people in the train
211 T nice😇
2:15 Precisely why I hope R211s go to the E line. Along with the added floor space making it friendlier for suitcases and luggage, and the smaller windows not mattering as much on a line that's 100% underground.
2:57 I think the answer to that is no, trains don't know which track they're on (although now that I've typed that, I wonder how this could be integrated with CBTC once it goes active).
I've seen videos before of R211s with this info setup doing burn-in testing where doors open on the opposite side intentionally. The platforms were correct and the digital information reflected it correctly, but the crew overrode all of that to open the opposite doors. (Good news is that once they open the doors, everything updates in like half a second. The computers on these trains seem really powerful, certainly faster than all other NTTs.)
Now I'm also wondering how this system handles terminal stations, like those on the A where trains move into one of multiple tracks. (The C doesn't have this setup at either end.)
the r160s are eniught to be on the jamaica it will be a sure mess to add another type of a train
@@IsrealiAvia I disagree. Queens Blvd is the busiest B-division corridor in the system and needs the extra interior capacity for as long as MTA doesn't want to deinterline.
Also, again, the R211 has more features that are friendlier for tourists, and generally any intercity or international traveler. The F has less such connections (only Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Ave for LGA), but serves the same busy corridor with express tracks.
What Jamaica Yard needs more urgently is relief. The G can go back to Coney Island along with other displaced R160s.
G train will be staying at Jamaica Yard. B Train will be moving to Concourse Yard. T will be the new line and it will be assigned to Coney Island Yard.
@@samuelitoooooexactly QBL needs all that capacity increases and having Jamaica Yard get R211s is a step in the right direction. They also considered expanding Jamaica Yard to store more trains, as it serves the busiest Queens Corridor in the B Division. If deinterlined then we have the A, C and E having R211s, as the A and C go on QBL for telling the Lefferts and Far Rockaway Branches apart.
I think that Jamaica would get Option 1 For the E and F lines as that can transfer the R160s to Concourse, and Coney Island Yard to get ready for 6th Ave CBTC, along with Extra Service. When Option 2 comes in for Phase II of SAS then we can have the R68s be placed in Long Term Storage and have them reactivated when necessary, for now until the R268 order arrives.
@@Reformperson I don't think Option Order 2 will be for SAS Phase II. Remember that Broadway is stuck with R68[A]s because Broadway will be last to get CBTC. Seems logical to me that R68[A]s will be for SAS. We will certainly have more than enough R68[A]s for increased service; 77 trains in total (616 cars in eight-car formations) whereas the N, Q, and W today, with only Phase I, use 55 trains for service. This may even be enough for Governor Hochul's proposed extension all the way across 125 St.
Rather, the second option order will help boost service on the B, D, and M lines, whether directly by going to Coney Island or by displacing more R160s from Jamaica.
I think the most likely two scenarios are that R211s go to Concourse and Coney Island, or R211s go to Jamaica displacing R160s to those two yards. If the latter, and if one of the goals is fleet uniformity, then we need all of Option 2 in order to provide enough trains for the F. (This assumes that Option Order 1 covers the entire fleet for the A, C, and E, including removing all R179s from those lines.)
5:34 - what station? Isn't the C all subway?
That's stock footage on a different line
Those trains and all that stuff are kinda better the R68 trains on the D bossman.
Well I hope they do not order they should because this becomes a handicap if they want to run the train express
Hey when is @mta gonna put anything new(er) on the Q line. I don't care about the C line!!!
Probably not anytime soon
The R160's that ran on the N/Q/W lines were equipped to run with CBTC. So when the Queens Boulevard Line got their signals upgraded to run with CBTC, and the old train cars (R46 and R48) used on the F/G/R lines were swapped over to the N/Q/W, since the newer ones were required to run over the F/G/R in Queens
So with old cars if a crazy person is in one you can go to the other one. With these being all one open one what do you do if that happens?
You can immediately move to another part of the train instead of being stuck until the next stop. On the R46s, the end doors are all locked.
@@collinparsons3363 ok...maybe I'm not understanding what they mean by open gangway. Is the entire train open from one end to the other (so like 8 cars all together) or is it just each 2 car pair has an open interior between them but they still have an end that isn't?
@@markvogel5872The trains are in 5-car consists so each 5-car set has an open interior
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