How Rough a Season Will the Rebuilding Flames Have in 2024-25?
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The most Flames kind of season for them would be for Huberdeau to have a resurgence season, Kadri continues to be a bright spot, young players like Cornato, Zary take a big step forward. Kuzmenko shooting at 25%+ again potting another 35 goals 70+ point season. The Flames unexpectedly make the playoffs like they did in 2015. They try to short-cut the rebuild again at the 2025 draft by trading some draft capitals for NHLers just for them to fall off the map again in the 2025-26 season.
Thank for putting this scary thought into my Brain
@@RLJ96 maybe if treliving was still in charge, but I trust in Conroy.
Not with Conroy in charge. I just can't see him doing it. He has a plan and has done a great job of sticking to it so far. I think even if Calgary somehow makes the playoffs Conroy sticks to his plan and won't overrreact.
@@agent00puffball I agree, Conroy is a smarter GM and more strategic with his moves and he definitely has a plan. I was just posting this comment as a meme really.
As a Habs fan, I'm all for CGY's pick being in the teens.
Flames need to move Huberdeau to Boston Pizza and Brad Treliving retains 100% of the contract.
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@@G0LDSNAKE 😂🤣😂 That is the best comment I've seen in a long time.
He'd be a good bartender😂
Funniest comment ever 🤣🤣🤣
As a Flames fan I have been really impressed with Conroy and what he has managed to do since taking over. These are my thoughts on what he has done.
1) Look at what he was able to get for the expiring contracts that were all going to demand a premium to retain or were going to walk for nothing.
2) We had a 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of this draft, including 2 in the first round.
3) With a new stadium about to begin construction after the Stampede wraps up this is the best time to retool and make the team competitive for the first season in the new building.
4) In his first press conference he said that he wants to give players in the system a chance to prove that they deserve a spot on the main roster. The wranglers have been one of the best teams in the AHL the past two seasons its about time we see what they can do in the NHL.
5) We have over 20 million in cap space!!!
6) We have players that want to be here, and want to see the team succeed, including Nazem Kadri
I am optimistic that we won't be bottom dwellers this season. Yes the Team that we had back in 21-22 is drastically different than the one that we have now, but the doom and gloom from the "Fans" is getting old really fast. Conroy was an American player that played in Calgary retired and is now running the team. He could've left Calgary in the dust after retiring but he considers the city home and wants to see the team succeed. Yes we aren't likely going to be competitive for a couple seasons but the future is looking bright.
I fully agree, Flames had a good draft and I think it's only up from here
Good post. They might not win a whole lot this coming season but the old core has been cast out and if they build this team the right way, through some good drafts like this past one, they can start to turn it around in a few years. Getting the number one center through the draft will be key obviously.
Awesome positivity!
@@billwhite93 completely agree, Conroy has done a phenomenal job so far. Handled all of the UFA business he said he was going to handle, had a phenomenal first draft that he had more than 5 minutes to prepare for, and have made some smart signings so far in free agency.
Not to mention that this team somehow has the most cap space in the entire league while still having Huberdeau's contract on it. He has done nothing but impress so far.
Its a fair take. Optimistic, but fair.
The cap space is a great point. Most in the league. That was surprising.
As a Flames fan I can't wait to watch them lose every single game. We're finally allowed to lose. GFG 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Watch them still win 35 games and draft 8th. I hope this team is able to fully rebuild rather than be too good to ever get a top pick
@@BvG_Venom this happens every time
@Vladiator01 I know. Their highest pick ever is Sam Bennett at 4th. Meanwhile, the Oilers drafted 1st four times in six years. Yeah, they were a laughing stock then but look at them now
They’re not ready for the league basement yet, sadly for you
Yup canucks did the same thing since the sedin era closed just made stupid signings to appear competitive while they stayed middling they just lucked up with petterson and quinn Hughes being able to take a couple franchise players outside the top 3
As a flames fan I’ve never been more excited for the future after this year ! conroy is cooooking
As a _______ I can never tell whether you Flames fans are being serious or nihilistic.
@@TheScotian82 don't need to be like that when the Calgary flames have a brighter future then yours
Flames aren’t interested in doing well this year, they’re interested in the future when their arena is built.
Murray Edward's would tell you other wise
@@johnburns9634 agreed with that! One point though. NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING! As a taxpayer I do not support public funding for your arena! Edmonton had a billionaire build the arena. Find a billionaire of your own!
@@thedegenerates310we can say what we want he has allowed the trade off and salary retention.
@xlv1000-dlw Edmonton had government subsidies too. That's why the Oilers owner doesn't own the arena, the city of Edmonton does. Vancouver, Toronto, Peg and Mtl NHL teams own their own arenas.
@@xlv1000-dlw mayor is fucking horrible
Hopefully rough enough to get a Top 3 pick
@@stinkypoke1542 which 1st does Montreal get for the Monahan deal?
@@francoisbouvier7861The worst pick
@@francoisbouvier7861 Only way MTL can get a top 10 pick is if both FLA and CGY picks are top 10. (not happening)
If either pick is top 10, MTL gets the other one. (if cgy is 3rd, fla 20th, MTL gets the 20th)
If both are outside the top 10, MTL gets the better pick. (CGY landing 11th is best case scenario for MTL)
@RandomPlaceHolderName thank you. That's the clearest explanation I have had. Habs are realistically looking at 28 + or --. Unless Hughes pulls a magic trick.
@@francoisbouvier7861 Depends how well FLA does in the playoffs.
I am a Glutton for punishment, I am a Sens fan who lived in ottawa for 20 years (03-23) I grew up in calgary and moved back just in time for a rebuild, and buffalo is my 3rd team because it was the first jersey i owned (found an unnamed goat head at a thrift store).
I crave pain lol
I hear ya, I started cheering for Ottawa after Winnipeg moved and now that they are back, they are my second team...pain, lots and lots of pain!
Then take Huberdeau. 😆
Hey, I grew up in Ottawa from 1994-2010 before my family moved back to Calgary in 2011.
@jaredpoon5869 I'm so sorry for you, glad you got out
Flames are the coolest team in the league
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I'm ready for a rough season, but I am looking forward to seeing the growth of some of our young guys. And if things go really poorly it would be nice to have the first top 3 pick in franchise history, or possibly the 2nd top 5 pick ever.
Honestly For the Flames the future is bright a retool is needed
Flames are easily in the worst situation of every team in the league due to terrible trades and asset management.
Can’t see how you would say their future is bright atm.
Their only option is to quite literally tear the organization down to the ground and rebuild it from the ground up. Feels like nobody in their front office is on the same page.
@@TjayK2Conroy is doing pretty well not sure what you’re talking about. He’s gotten a good haul for all the players he’s moved.
@@TjayK2no
@@TjayK2you must of not payed attention at all last year. Lots of great rebuilding trades and through trades and a fantastic draft already a top 10 product pool. With oodles of high picks still next few years
@@TheDoooburner was conroy the gm who traded for huby?
As an Oilers fan I’d love it for them to have resurgence next season makes the BoA games that much more entertaining to watch. Shame seemed like Calgary was going to be good for a while then well….yeah
@@EpilepticBob No thanks Cowtown can stick to being a garbage franchise. Besides even if they start competing again they’ll just get swept by the Alberta oilers! 5 cups > 1 cup! 4-1
@@AlGrundauFlamesTroll we didn’t have the greatest hockey player of all time even when Gretzky left you still had mark messier plus you farmed first round picks and missed on them all except the obvious pick which was mcdavid the definition of a pampered fan base
@@jasonmayes2145 You had the greatest goalie to ever play for your franchise, Lanny McDonald, scarface fleury, and many others and the best you can do is win ONE cup? BWAHAHAHA then Nigginla, kipperstrash, gelinas and your current GM came along and the best Cowtown did was break their fans hearts in game 7 followed by Gio Gaydreau, Monahan and Matthew turtle boy Gaychuk only won ONE playoff series then were broken up by yours truly McJesus. Edmonton may have farmed for picks but we still run alberta and as far as I’m concerned own the poverty fLames. Come back when the shames win 5 cups and make 8 finals appearances
I believe you are incorrect in saying the Flames have filled 2 of 3 retention spots. Only 1 is filled (Markstrom)
Yeah they did retain on Tanev but his contract ended July 1st.
@@stinkypoke1542 retaining 2 years takes two of their retention spots
@SevenCompleted not really, it's just one slot for two years. Still have two slots.
@@SevenCompleted that's not how it works
@stinkypoke1542 is correct, according to Puckpedia the Flames has 2 available spots for retaining salary.
Flames fan here, that was a good assessment. Your thoughts on Valamaki being a better option than our current group is interesting. We also have Mirimanov who we got back from the Hanifin trade to Vegas
I'm still pissed they waived him for nothing to keep Connor Mackey. Waste of a 1st round pick for nothing
@@justjohnny420 Problem was they gave him TONS of opportunity in the lineup, he just didn't play well in Calgary and at the time it made sense to move on from him. However waiving him wasn't the right idea, defs should've tried to trade him. Love the BT era so much!!!! (Not, we collectively hate it)
Valimaki never got through the Sutter Firewall, not sure you can critique his performance in Flames silks based on opportunity.
@foursights He was only 23 years old which is young for a defenseman and was dealing with injury problems. Way too young to give up on a guy for a useless nobody 30 year old in his place. Valimaki could've just been the 7th defenseman and worked his way to be a regular
Flames gave up way to easy with valimaki. Way to easy. And opted for a inferior guy in Mackay. Live and learn I guess.
Sharangovich is 100% going to be in their top 6. He was arguably their best forward last year and had over 30 goals. Was pretty well a point per game player from December on.
as a Caps fan, I always hated when we played the Devils because I knew Sharangovich was going to end up on the scoresheet, The shot he has on his stick is nutty I was so happy when they traded him out west lol
The energy of youth might surprise us all.
Really hope Conroy is smart with the cap space. We can actually make moves now
I love Coleman. As a devils fan I was sad to see him traded away
The Flames like him too, but, you can take him back.
I don’t want him back.
Sharangovich is another story, though. Great personality, good goal scorer, cute kid and dog, wife is an absolute dime.
Shannon don't feel bad on saying Cap Friendly , in last few days after removing my bookmark for it, have went to it by habit to check Transactions etc.
Im hoping the Flames are going to be bad enought to secure top 5 draft picks the next 2 seasons. Imagine if we still had Takachuk, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Monahan, and even Bennett. Let Conny draft high skill players and lets get back to having a fun Flames team again.
If flames still had all those players they would just have more 1st round exits instead of not making playoffs. It's not exactly like they were successful for years of those guys.
@@justjohnny420 I was making the comparison for the type of prospects that need to pan out in a way that a Flames fan can tangible grasp. Lets say Parekh pans out exactly as he needs to do be our #1 D, we still need a #1 C and star wingers; of which are almost usually drafted high.
Mattathew Takachuk
@@TheScotian82 good catch haha that's what happens when you type with a few drinks down the hatch
I could see them doing that this year. I think Utah, Seattle, NJ, and Philly got better and I can't see Columbus, buffalo or Ottawa not taking a big step forward. The flames got much over the past couple months. Subtracting markstrom and tanev alone are going to cost us 10 -15 points in the standings and that doesn't even take Hanifin, Lindholm and Mang into the equation
Maybe I'm telling on myself for not watching all of your videos. But I had no idea you were a Canucks fan, super impressed with your content and impartiality in when covering even rival teams!
The "how good is it/bad is it" series was the first set of videos I watched on your channel. It was after the 17-18 season, which was a brutal season for the flames. You had the flames as a 'how bad is it's team'...and then Tre made the Lindholm/hanafin trade, and the 18/19 season saw the flames top the conference.
6 years later, it's pretty damn bad, but boy am I excited for a team that's actually committed to the proper rebuild we never got after Iginla left
I'd guess they'll finish around 80 points, 6th in the division. They'll have another top 10 draft pick and not lose their first rounder to Montreal. This is a very fair and accurate assessment.
As a Kraken/Firebirds fan I'm offended that you wore a Wranglers jersey. With that said, their goaltending is in great future hands. Wolf may be "under sized" but he's going to be elite in the NHL in the near future.
Sick Wranglers jersey!!
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What a great jersey, and that wranglers logo is great.
Great video as always Shannon, good for you giving Coleman his flowers as well.
Conroy has done everything he said he was going to do. As a flames fan I've been very pleasantly surprised by him and the seeming willingness from ownership to sell. Hopefully they see it through.
We don't have a first line but we do have a decent pair of second lines
Great video THG! As a Flames fan this is really is a exciting reset that we badly need. I think will be at least a 3-5 year rebuild.
Given the situation with our first going to Montreal, its best to be bottom 10 in the league since if our pick is outside top 10, Montreal gets better of ours or Florida, and Florida ain't tanking next season. Get some NHL minutes for the youngsters and try to play well despite not winning games
I'd like to start by thanking you for making this video. I really enjoy your content. Long story short...I am really looking forward to the 2024-25 season for the Flames. The chinook winds of change are blowing in Calgary. I'm really interested to see where they go and for how long.
Man I do not understand the exodus from CGY. I get that some were trying to get away from a former coach, but it continued...
Flames fan here with a thorough take on the current state of the Flames and where most fans heads are currently at with this franchise:
We realize it's going to be a very rough next couple of seasons. But I can safely say that the vast majority of Flames fans are looking forward to it. We have never drafted in the top-3 in franchise history and the time has come for us to have a real opportunity to do that the next couple of seasons.
In the past, ownership made it a cardinal sin to use the "R" word (rebuild) and it has held us back for so long. Now, whether they want to admit it or not, they are doing a rebuild or heavy retool.
So far, I'm pretty content with the way Conroy has done things. He seems to have the right principles in place:
1) don't let assets walk for nothing
2) give young players a proper chance to show their stuff (last year we had Zary, Pospisil, Coronato, Solovyov, Wolf, Pelletier, etc)
3) create a positive culture to encourage people to want to be in Calgary. Even with the prospect camp this summer you saw that he was joking around with the players. He doesn't want the image of being the big, scary boss upstairs.
4) not signing any big money, long term contracts at this stage. Sharangovich at 5.75mil for the next 5 years is the biggest contract he's signed so far and it is pretty fair for a young 30 goal scorer.
CAP SITUATION: around 20mil in cap space INCLUDING Huberdeau's contract is an amazing situation to be in. We can easily broker deals or retain in trades to bring in more draft capital. Conroy has shown that he is not going to mindlessly spend that cap. Mantha at 3.5mil for 1 year and lomberg 2mil for 2 years are low risk signings and is a refreshing change of pace from pointless signings of the past like Brouwer, Neal etc.
PROSPECTS: What was rather bleak just a couple of seasons ago, has turned into a top-10 prospect pool in the league. While I agree that determining the success of a draft is foolish because we won't know for a few years, I think Conroy's APPROACH to the 2024 draft was a major win. Acquiring high skill is the most difficult thing to do for a team and the draft is the best way to do it. Guys like Parekh, Basha and Misa are huge pickups. The team already has 4 NHL level prospects that have seen time with the team and will only get better (Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Wolf), so there is no shortage of talent. The offensive defensemen in the pipeline are also plentiful with Poirier, Brzustewicz, Morin, and the aforementioned Parekh. I like the sneaky prospect pickups they did in trades as well. Grushnikov may be the perfect d partner to any of the offensive guys. The 3rd we got from NJ for Toffoli became Aydar Suniev who I think is going to light up the AHL and if he can increase his footspeed, he can top out as a top 6 NHLer.
UPCOMING DRAFTS: 4 first round picks, 3 second round picks in the next two drafts. And that doesn't include any more they can receive for trading any pieces like Andersson, Backlund or Coleman.
That trade stipulation in the Monahan trade to Montreal still makes my head hurt and I don't fully understand it. All I know is it's in the Flames best interest to finish in the bottom 10 this year which I think they will.
Regardless, we have Vegas's UNPROTECTED 2026 1st pick which may be higher than people think because they are lacking some serious scoring in their top-6.
COACHING STAFF: Huska is the ideal coach for this transitional stage. Plenty of coaching experience in the AHL and NHL so he can continue to help transition young players into the line up while still allowing our veterans to lead the way. No need to make a change in this position for at least a couple of years.
So with all that being said, how long is this rebuild going to take? No idea, but I think there is a chance for this to be a 3-5 year rebuild as opposed to a 7-8 year rebuild. Dream with me Flames fans:
The year is 2026. The Flames proudly select with the 1st overall pick, Gavin McKenna. One year later, he is on hand along with new free agent signing Cale Makar at the ribbon cutting ceremony for the new arena. Parekh is coming off a phenomenal year in the AHL where he leads all defensemen in scoring and is ready to make the jump full time. Captain Nazem Kadri is centering the 3rd line and is showing these young superstars how to be good pros. The Wranglers continue to get better with the inclusions of Honzek, Misa, Gridin, 2025 first round draft picks, 2026 first round draft pick (from Vegas) and some of the 2nd/3rd rounders. Flames return to the playoffs over the next few seasons and continue to make signings with trades until they become legit cup contenders.
After years of having everyone wanting to leave, I can't think of a team more deserving of a positive turn around and good karma.
Shannon The Hockey Guy mentions, 1:27 into the video, PuckPedia as a substitute for CapFriendly. From last month I have used PuckPedia way more often than CapFriendly, knowing that back then CapFriendly would be gone later in the summer. That the Flames, as of the date on which the video was released, had had over US$20 million a cap space didn’t surprise me all that much considering how badly they had ended last regular season and there’d appeared to have been no easy out for the coming season for them.
i remember the late 90's young guns and that was brutal so disappointing this team is no where near that bad and hopefully with lomberg and pospisil creating havoc they might be fun to watch
Flames have been a really strong at drafting players since 2016. They had 10 picks for the first time since the league went to 7 rounds this past season and got a few steals imo. I'm not banking on it but don't be surprised if one of the kids from this year's or last year's draft have a great showing in their 9 game audition (especially on D) and maybe even earn a longer stay.
The Micheal Frolik effect
When I look at who they have lost, and who is still there, then I can't wrap my mind around how they missed the playoffs last season.
I wonder what tool 🔧 is conroy using for the retool maybe the screw driver 🤔
You know why a guy like Coleman is the teams MVP while a guy like Huberdeau is not?
Heart.
Hmmm, the way I see our draft picks along with our developmental players, we're probably around 4ish years from being able to contend with the top.
I think that a lot of our uneven play can be attributed to the moving of many players throughout the season. It's difficult to have a cohesive team structure when a good chunk of the guys are gone by the end of it. With a fresh system and likely fewer major players being moved, I'm optimistic that our overall team structure will be better.
In terms of how we'll do, I think probably bottom 10, but I don't think we're bad enough to hit bottom 5. Although we don't have Markstrom, we have a lot of solid young players coming up the ranks.
One of our biggest strengths last year was that we had so much support in scoring. It definitely hurt not having a top scorer, but we had so much diversified production that we weren't handicapped if one scorer was playing a bit worse.
i hope we get a top 3 pick - and next year too
Another site was touting that Calgary had lost 11 key players in the last 2 years TRUE and I checked and those players scored 167 goals last year. The players they replaced them with only scored 167 goals so that is a precipitous drop of 0 goals. Just food for thought.
Seventh in the Pacific next year.
I honestly think they will have a similar looking season or only a slight step back. We are flush with young talent at every postion, Vladar and Wolf moght surprise (here's hoping)
They might be just under .500 all year, but there are things to be excited about, and i want to see Lomberg and Pospisil on a line together, thats mayhem right there
3-4 years rebuild Conroy has done an excellent job so far in this rebuild I don't think the D is bad enough for them to be a tank team but I think they'll be bad enough for another top 10 pick again. To be honest though the rebuild can take much longer if they swung and missed on their first rounders.
Watching Treliving already making the same kind of moves in toronto as he did in his last few seaeons in calgary is borderline hilarious.
The flames have made a good decision to what they are doing . It’ll hurt but this change is best now before the rink is built
Are you going to do power rankings now that season is done?
Who's the second retention other than Markstrom? I'm looking at Puckpedia and it only lists Markstrom...
Watch for the Flames to rise to coincide with the new rink. Next 2 yrs to build a solid core imo🔥🔥🔥
I have that same jersey!
my first game was in the 06-07 season december 27 2006 6-5 canucks win IGGY VS NAZZY the flames nucks rivarly was fun
Its like going through a rebuild by force.
Should almost be illegal.
I am, in a strange way, excited to see the Flames suck for a while as a fan. They need the reset, and time to grow these young talents
I really thought last season would have gone better with all the ufa's coming into contract years. This year feeling optimistic. Still feel like battling for 8th. Would be nice to back into Kylington contract at this point. Flames need better D after losing Tanev and Hannifin. Biggest loss this summer though is our play by play broadcaster Rick Ball who got a well deserved promotion to a front seat to call Chicago games for the Bedard era.
Finishing outside the bottom 10 costs the Flames their first round pick due to the Monahan trade. They would end up with Florida's first round pick, which would slow down the rebuild
A 2-3 year rebuild sounds promising but the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts will be problematic in that timeframe. They will have both declined in production by then but their contracts will have enough years left to make for very punitive buyouts. We'll see if they go the same route that Minnesota took with Parise and Suter a few years ago.
That's why they've gotta move Kadri in my opinion if they can. That said I don't think a two or three year timeline will do it. I'm looking more at the 5-6 year timeline.
Trade laine and a first round pick to flames for future considerations. As a flames fan id eat that bad contract for 2 years for a first round pick
What retention slots did we fill? I thought we retained on Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin which were all in the last year of their deals
He made a mistake, we are only retaining on markstrom right now
Flames are going to have a rough season, but the fanbase understands what is happening and is on board. As long as it doesnt take a decade, the Flames will be perfectly fine a few years when the new arena opens.
Is your entire closet hockey jerseys 😂
New here?
@@BlastBeatSznah just figured he had something else at some end of the closet I’ve seen the board in about every position it could be yet there’s never a normal piece of clothing I can see
How long before puckpedia goes dark? I had heard someone will buy them like the Caps bought Cap friendly!
Would love to see do a video like this on the Kings, as a Kings fan I'm afraid we just made moves to stay mediocre, and potentially miss the playoffs this year.
I love heading into a new season with low expectations. For me this is a win win, we bear and grin it through a really rough season and get a top 6 in the next draft. Or, Wolf/Vladar steal games (I like the tandem, both 1b aiming for a 1a job who can play-off/encourage each other), defense plays better than they look on paper and the top 6 produce enough. Stranger things have happened. I'm ok with either scenario. But if not making the playoffs sure hope the Flames don't land in those 9/10/11 spots
Time to push the young talent, hope Wolf can develop into a legit starter and hopefully figure out to make Huberdeau effective again. It's gonna be a tough one 😅
This is the best thing for the Flames and their fans. Sitting there as a bubble playoff team or occasional 2nd tier contender wasn’t helping. They need high end prospects. You only get those through the draft and by sucking enough to get top 5 picks. Cross fingers they are last in the league this year.
Flames have used only 1/3 Puckpedia shows it weird. We retained Markstrom for one more year after this, Mangipane was 0 retention. (Thank God) But overall I think this will be an interesting year for the Flames. Having all that cap space and 2-3 tradeable assets along with the 2 retention slots available I think we're going to be very very busy by the trade deadline.
Shannon The Hockey Guy mentions, starting at the 5:30 mark of the video, salary retention slots the Flames have filled. The only one they have filled is that of Jacob Markstrom, US$1.875 million of whose per-season cap hit they agreed to, for this season and the next one, retain. That leaves two retention slots left they can use for this season, and of players who they have under contract for this season, if the per-season cap hit is at least US$1 million each, I count, of those eligible to walk into unrestricted free agency, come July:
- 2025: Kuzmenko, Mantha, Rooney and Vladar
- 2026: Backlund, Lomberg, Andersson, Bean and Miromanov
- 2027: Coleman
The Flames have 2 retention slots remaining.
Also Huberdeau is unlikely to start on the Backlund line.
Likely Top 9 out of training camp:
Kuzmenko - Kadri - Pospisil/Coronato
Huberdeau - Zary - Sharangovich/Mantha
Coleman - Backlund - Mantha/Sharangovich
As a Flames fan I feel the final piece signifying a full rebuild was the Markstrom trade. If they wanted to compete I feel they’d have gotten rid of Vladar to free up room for wolf rather than move Markstrom.
Either way, it’s in our best interest to finish in the bottom 10. If we don’t, we give our first round pick to Montreal.
If a few breaks go their way they could be a third line team, if the breaks go against them, then they will be on the bottom line of your board.
Theres still time for cal to make moves, edm fan here and I dont count out huberdeau just yet, get them some tools and let em work, they still were able to irk me last year. 😂😂😂.
Huberdeau hating life right now.
At a certain point, goalie height doesn't matter, unless they're laying down on the ice. Athleticism, positional play, reflexes, anticipation, and the will to compete matter a lot more than size. Otherwise, Fedotov wins the Vezina next season. Richard "King" Brodeur dragged the Canucks to the Finals vs the Islanders and he was only 5'7". The Islanders goalie he faced, Billy "Killer" Smith was only 5'10", but I'm pretty sure nobody called him short to his face. Many of the best NHL goalies have been 6' or shorter
looks like a huge rebuild and years to complete unless they find a way to move Huberderp. 10 million for 30 point guy in 2027 is going to be really really bad compared to the 10 million for 50 points this year. He is getting worse every year. Weegar at 6 and change million for a fifth round draft pick. That's also pretty rough. He is hanging in there now, but 2031 is a long way away to keep up 6 millions worth of a production. That is one big contract to buy out, or trade away for Huber. I don't think any team is going to want that with the way he is playing. Maybe at 5 million its worth a gamble that he can find his game again somewhere else. Honestly the Flames giving him that contract made no sense if they weren't going to keep the team together and pay everyone else to stay. I guess they didn't plan on blowing it up at the time?
If Huberdeau was magically off the Flames, they'd be 10 million under the cap. Him being on the team doesnt negatively affect their current plan: Finish low in the standings to secure high draft picks. Even when rookies come onto the team in the coming years, they will be on cheap ELC contracts. The Flames might need cap space in 5 years, when there is 2 years left on gis deal. His contract will still be brutal, but it will be easier to move.
The Flames are only retaining on Markstrom. They have 2 slots to retain remaining
Habs got there pick top 10 protected so I hopefully they finish 11th 😅
As a life time Flames fan. There are 3 teams in their division that are worse. I hope the Flames don’t sign up a player to a ridiculous contract like Huberdeau’s. ever again. Eventually things will turn around.
Would Kadri play 4C for the Avs?
i want cgy to be bad for 2-5 yrs. hopefully Murray lets conroy actually build thru the draft
trade offense scoring to St Louis for defense coverage?
Let the rebuild continue, but hopefully we don't trade away all the veterans. We still need the leadership to teach the young guys. The Flames have never been lucky enough to win the draft lottery, so I really don't expect that to change. Hopefully we manage to hit on some of our picks (I'm currently cautiously optimistic with Zayne Parekh).
I'm still holding out hope that in 2025-26 Vegas will be garbage (so banged up, they can't get out of the basement even with LTIR), and Calgary gets it's first draft lottery win (100% it will be Vegas's pick). Hopefully with our own pick being a top 5. In my little dream world, the Flames get Gavin McKenna with the first overall, followed up by Joe Iginla (with 4th or 5th overall).
They will either just sneak into a wild card spot or the miss playoffs again and get another 16-20 something pick in the draft
6 years Shannon 😭
All I want as a flames fan is for sharky to be our all-star
I really hope they bottom out (while the Panthers make the playoffs obviously) but I think people think of the team being way more devoid of talent than they actually are and I do struggle to believe they’ll be bottom 5 in the league without shipping out more pieces
We are kinda insensitived to be bad because of the trade with Montreal
The Flames will be in the bottom 4 or 5 of the NHL Standings for 24-25!
Why isn’t Kadri in the top 6?? He just has a 75 point season, he’s easily their best C.
I don't think the Flames will be anywhere near the playoffs but I don't think they will be as bad as people are expecting.
I think their biggest problems are in goal and on defense but they're depending more on unproven players than bad players in these positions. I expect one of Bahl or Bean to be a passible but not great second pairing defense man, and I think Miromanov is already capable of being a mediocre second pairing defense man. The platoon of Vladar, Wolf, and Cooley will likely be able to give them goaltending with a ~0.900 save percentage. This will put them bottom 10 in goaltending and defense, but they will probably be outside of the bottom 3 in goals against. There forwards core is moderately below league average, and they may potentially be ~20th in the league as far as goals for.
Ultimately, I'm expecting them to be in the ~75 point range. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they fell as far as 65 points, or somehow won enough to finish with 85 points, but they're not like the historically bad teams we've seen recently.
id love to see the jets go for weegar.
no
Hubie-doobie-D'OH!! 🫣
They should do a full rebuild from the ground up.
You could easily move the kadri and weegar contracts for good returns
Pick up marner and a 1st from Toronto, would probably cost weegar and a 2 way forward.
Ship out marner with 50% retained at the deadline for another 1st+, probably going to Winnipeg in exchange for ehlers and a first.
Coleman will be a good value for western teams (looking at Dallas, LA, and Colorado) likely fetches a mid prospect like Christian Kyrou.
Anaheim is stockpiling top 2 defenders like it is going out of style so could work out something like a forward for a dman.
Up another 2 first rounders and a couple prospects while still having some veterans around for support. 4 years to be relevant if they do it right, a lot longer if not.
Is a ground-up rebuild like Buffalo, Ottawa or Columbus? Young players need to learn how to play and win in the NHL and be surrounded by good, veteran teammates. They should strive to finish bottom 5, but not tank to the detriment of player development in the NHL
@@star-iv You'll still have Huberdeau, Mantha, Bean, Andersson, and Miromanov who all have had reasonably successful careers and played for teams who made deep playoff runs/won cups. You're giving up the present to have a season similar to a columbus season or two, then you're running a strong young roster with plenty of depth. Parekh was a HUGE pickup for the flames and Gridin should be able to fill a middle six role in a couple years. Moving the players listed in the original comment gives A) the cap space to be somewhere teams dump contracts (yes they have $20M now, why not have more?) and B) play time for the young guys to get developing at the NHL level sooner rather than later. New Jersey did similar with their roster 6 years ago and look at them now, getting jinxed by THG but otherwise a competitively viable team. Only difference Calgary should make is contacting Detroit for a goalie, or work out a deal for Askarov.
@@christopherjohnson9176 I want to see veterans that are going to play hard every game. Coleman, Kadri, Weegar, Backlund and Andersson are going to do this. I don't see Huberdeau as this type of player. I don't know much about Mantha's game, but he is new with the organization. I don't consider Bean or Miromanov to be veterans. Sure, they're in their mid to late 20's, but how long have they actually consistently played in the NHL? Zary has more NHL GP than Miromanov and Sharangovich has more played 90 more games than Bean.
I don't understand how the best two Calgary players could net Marner and a first. Calgary received 2 roster players and a first round pick for just Tkachuk. There's no way Toronto would ever make this deal.
The Flames cannot shed any more cap space or they'll be under the cap floor. They may have to pick up an LTIR contract. I do think they should trade their pending UFAs Kuzmenko and Andersson at the deadline.
I don't like how NJ built their roster in 20-21: They had 11 players 24 and under and their only vets were Tatar, Hamilton, Subban and Vesey. The youngsters nearly outnumber the vets 3-1. They also neglected their goaltending, which was a large factor why they missed the playoffs in 23-24. And they already had 2 first overall picks before predictably doing terrible in 20-21 and drafting Nemec at 2. Looking over their rebuild, they iced very young teams with too few vets IMO. Do they finish higher than Dallas in the standings this year? I'm not sure
Calgary has a great goaltending prospect in Wolf. With Markstrom traded, Wolf will have plenty of opportunities to play this year. It'll take some time for Wolf to adjust the the NHL, and between the weak defense and centre positions, Calgary should finish in the bottom 10.
Being terrible and getting #1 and #2 overall does seem to work, but I don't want to see a decade of darkness or whatever is happening in Buffalo and Columbus. And not to mention, #1 and #2 are not even guaranteed: teams need to have a bad season and then get lucky with the lottery.
It's nice to actually be in a rebuild. In the past our management has never fully committed to one. Now that might still happen but let's hope not.
I don't think Conroy has any intention of completely tanking the team. The only thing he's said publicly is that he wants this team to be competitive and have a chance to win every night. I think this is the right mentality to have. You want a team that wants to win, because it will be better when you come out of this if you've built the right culture around the team as well. The problem with tanking is the losing mindset that often comes with it. Conroy wants to avoid that, and has picked up players who want to be here and want to compete. He's taking the right approach to this.
Facts
Precisely, tanking can piss off a fan base, and doesn't guarantee anything in the future. I think with the team they have they may beat expectations. I prefer going into the season with most expecting them do nothing/tank.
What's the difference between a 're-tool' and a 're-build'? The difference is the terminology so that people don't cancel their season tickets lol - but it's the exact same thing!
trade top six winger to Vancouver for defense depth?
Goalie heights of Stanley Cup winners seem to be 6'2. Mike Ritcher of the Rangers, 5'11. Bob 6'2, Fluery 6'2, Roy 6'2, chris osgood 5'10, Hasek 6'1, MIKE VERNON 5'9(wow), Adin Hill/Logan Thompson, 6'4, Kuemper 6'4, Vaselisky 6'4, Brodeur 6'2, Quick 6'1, Matt Murray 6'4, Jarry 6'3, Ed Belfour 5'11, Jake Allen 6'2. So to me 6 foot doesn't seem to far away if they have enough talent. There's a ton of goalies that are 6'2 and above havent won a cup. I was just pulling random Cup winning goalies off my head from the last 30 years or so. Hard to go back 60 years. Everyone was shorter so not really a fair comparison.
I was just going say man my ducks look good compared to this situation here in Calgary.
The Ducks have had 6 consecutive years of top 10 picks. Something will have gone terribly wrong if the Flames are drafting in the top 10 in 2029
Huberdeau is got to be one of the worst contracts ever on Earth.
Huberdeaus gonna get 115+ points
We make ploffs
We go on a crazy run
Take whatever draft pick we get
We’re gonna get super lucky with our draft pick and then the next year we shit the bed and get Mckenna.