@@pikminologueraisin2139 Thank it's the way it is in GSC. It was originally planned to reduce half of the mon's current health (25% of 50% for example) instead of half of the mon's total health (50% of health no matter what)
Yeah, Polteageist’s Shell Smash set is an absolute menace. Something I say as someone on the receiving end of a Shell Smash boosted Polteageist rampage.
I know kingambit technically only boosts by 2 stages with swords dance, but it does feel like gambit plays like an extreme boosting mon sometimes. Thinking about it, with supreme overlord and 5 mons down, a kingambit on switchin has 1.5x its original damage, or the equivalent of a +1 boost. A swords dance would then boost gambit up to 3x its original damage, or the equivalent of a +4 boost to its attack. So in effect swords dance has acted like a +3 boost to kingambit's attack.
@EclipseonPMD i feel like metagross still wouldnt crack into OU with a boost like that. 4mss will see to that. Maybe if it was +2 spe +2 atk, or a physical quiver dance + a new steel type recovery move
@@S55MapperGamingOriginal Yeah, Metagross' OU days are kinda over. Nerfed boom, mash nerf, ghost + dark weakness, and pitiful stats for modern gens, I find it hard for Metagross to come back. Maybe Shift Gear Mega Metagross could be good tho?
Noooooo 😭 shift hear metagross sounds cool but cosmic power + agility 😭😭😭 could you imagine that on stuff like clef stored power mons going to the moon
kinda expected the stupidness of power herb geomancy to also be mentioned but I guess it is technically banned anyway, as long as you're not playing vgc
I know a lot of people have said it but not only was Tail Glow the signature move of Volbeat originally, but it was +2 SpAtk because in gen 3 Nasty Plot didn't exist
Regenerator, Non Legendaries getting access to Drizzle and Drought, Quiver Dance, Volt Switch, etc. Yeah Gen 5 def had some weird mechanics tbh. Still my favorite gen but yeah
@@viniciusbatista146 nah def gen 4 the stat creep on the new evos was brazy - gen 5 has a much more similar OU to gen 4 than gen 4 is to 3. Gen 5's power is largely from weather.
I think the problem with your logic is that you're conflating stat boost quantity with outcome. Volc isn't doing that much with the spedef boost, like sure it helps vs special attackers but most revenge killers are gonna be physical anyway and volc already has good spedef. Volc is usually just a super strong mon with special DD, the third stat isnt that relevant. Shell smash is honestly the only one of the three that means anything. Tail glow's distribution is miniscule and all it's gonna let you do is wallbreak because nothing super fast gets it.
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? [4:57 to 6:10] (The Lando and Excadrill clicking rocks then spin over and over for a minute and 13 seconds)
This is a bad faith argument because you're taking boosting moves in a vacuum. Of course Terrakion with a move that was both SD and RP would be broken. It'll never have that move though. QD and Shell Smash usually aren't a problem cause they're on bad Pokemon. Volc and Cloyster are the exceptions, and this video could have just been about them.
This is one of the primary gameplay reasons why I ended up gravitating towards oldgens all those years back; and I always found it weird that nobody seemed to have much of an issue with setup mechanics gameplay-wise. To me it's such a thoroughly unfun experience when so much of the game revolves entirely around that single setup turn, it reduces in-battle dynamics and complexity by a lot because so many options are entirely off-limits (think of the classic "i can never kill anything with this mon because it gives free setup" situations). Of course they're interesting in their own way, but I personally much prefer games where you can only ever get so much mileage out of one good play, and wins are achieved through accruing small edges over and over rather than making everything revolve around the one big break.
Asking this out of curiosity, what changed around cloyster that now makes it banworthy? Or is it just "theres so much broken bs we only now got to cloyste"?
@@elliottheward2372 People wanted Ninjask to be banned from Gen 3 OU, but since the tiering council is so hellbent on consistent tiering policies, they would only hold a vote on banning _speed pass._ Barely not enough people voted to ban it, so nothing has changed.
Here are some other insane boosters: Paradox, only 4 of them are really broken: flutter, bundle, moon, wake. And that last two is exclusive to nat dex. Fans of the zacian path of OPness. “Gimme my boosts now” Also iron crown is literally new magerna. Booster/lefties, agilly, cm, stored, last ehh steel special dual chop, focus blast, sub? Or idbp. But literally every steel can iron press Ultra beasts: the originals. And only 2 made it into Ubers: naga and phero. U want Omni boosting pain? Try MEGA SMASH STOISE. Also more z boosters beyond Kommo. Kommo could potentially DOUBLE DANCE. Z scales, drain punch back ur HP, spend a 3rd on clangourus Soul, for another Omni boost. 4th is a free move, best if ur iron head. Or if ur item slot is free cuz ur support mo, could go loaded dice, or sitrus. Other boosters. Vic is a known guy. But what I didn’t know is that ancient Zelly (z celly) rachi is an illegal set. How lame Zoro hisui! Lati level speed, Hydriggy level fire power, all the plus ones, has no drain move. But has Hyp voice to nuke subs. And hex for noob gliscor Let alone the ice, slams, and iron heads. Espeon: omg it’s god like, u got the celly, stored, kiss, skill swap. Rob gliscor of his status immunity, possibly on the same turn that he Tox’ if he’s that stupid. Rob heatran, “I am tha captain now” or unaware for that +1. Or if u was CM mirror herb Also alcreamie, trevenant/Smeargle, gorgiest can Omni Z. Or conversion. Fucking greninja! So I’m stripped of my freedom of picking which bbond I want? Nah cap. If it’s NATIONAL dex, then I could go to the “nation” of Hawaii, and get me an ACTUAL Ash gren, and come back. MF they let u use ULTRA NECROZMA. In the gens w/ no z move… 😐🗿 Another crime: can’t even double dance w/ him. I tried Z celly bbond gren. Nope. Why? Yk what stops the greninja, who’s gimmick is killing a Mon for more roids, to stop and not be able to celebrate? Ik greninja is capable of BMing 🥸
cloyster would be unviable with a shell smash ban. Both a cloyster and a shell smash ban would accomplish the same thing; so it makes sense to just ban cloyster to avoid complications (like maybe if you banned cloyster people might try gorbyss or another shell smasher).
Hey now, once I get my 3 Ancientpower boosts in a row in GSC you're cooked... +3 Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. Snorlax: 241-284 (46 - 54.3%) -- 4.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery... Oh fuck you.
Another issue with those big ole boosting moves compared to double dance is that you get another free slot for coverage. It’s pretty tough to kill everything with only two coverage moves
@@midnightemerald yeah i totally get that! just saying in the beginning of your vid you mention SD/Nasty Plot/Amnesia as the only moves that boosted a stat by 2 stages in early pokemon and i mentioned agility bc its my favorite move :)
The absolute disrespect volbeat received was absolutely unwarranted.
Belly drum was there passing a +6 boost.
up to +12 if you’re -6
it had a downside (so does Shell Smash but it's far less of one let's be honest)
belly drum is dumb in gsc, let's ban it
@@pikminologueraisin2139 I love Bellydrum! To bad it is hard to make work.
@@pikminologueraisin2139 Thank it's the way it is in GSC. It was originally planned to reduce half of the mon's current health (25% of 50% for example) instead of half of the mon's total health (50% of health no matter what)
"It's a nasty plot clone that's manaphy's signature move"
What did volbeat do to you for you to disrespect him like that?
Nothing. Volbeat has never done anything, to him or anyone else. Ever.
You're right, Volbeat has never done anything.
He lost to a prankster baton pass one once
@@sumthinorother9615lmao
This comment should extreme boost your video in the CZcams algorithm!
Qotsa fan spotted, comment liked
@@igeomagician easily best band, all arguments opposing the position are invalid
Hell yes give him that evee Z-move
Best band
How will this affect Finchenator’s legacy?
"someone got swept by Polteageist in gen 8. It really just spilled the tea like nothing else." when it comes to tea puns, BKC is unmatchable.
UnMatchable
@@DeckKnight Yup, a high-qualitea pun, if I do say so myself.
Stored power shell smash with weak armor is terrifying, there’s no shame in losing to some tea
@@Rainer2424god forbid in psychic terrain, that’s literally game right there
Yeah, Polteageist’s Shell Smash set is an absolute menace. Something I say as someone on the receiving end of a Shell Smash boosted Polteageist rampage.
I know kingambit technically only boosts by 2 stages with swords dance, but it does feel like gambit plays like an extreme boosting mon sometimes. Thinking about it, with supreme overlord and 5 mons down, a kingambit on switchin has 1.5x its original damage, or the equivalent of a +1 boost. A swords dance would then boost gambit up to 3x its original damage, or the equivalent of a +4 boost to its attack. So in effect swords dance has acted like a +3 boost to kingambit's attack.
If shift gear were on better mons id be so scared
Shift Gear Metagross 👀
@EclipseonPMD i feel like metagross still wouldnt crack into OU with a boost like that. 4mss will see to that. Maybe if it was +2 spe +2 atk, or a physical quiver dance + a new steel type recovery move
@@S55MapperGamingOriginal Yeah, Metagross' OU days are kinda over. Nerfed boom, mash nerf, ghost + dark weakness, and pitiful stats for modern gens, I find it hard for Metagross to come back. Maybe Shift Gear Mega Metagross could be good tho?
@@EclipseonPMD megagross is already uber, shift gear just makes it a okay uber that still suffers from opportunity cost
magearna
Tail Glow is Volbeat's signature move, not Manaphy's.
Volbeat? More like Vol-get-beat-by-Tail Glow-Manaphy
tf is a volbeat
It was Volbeat's signature move until Gen 4
Not anymore
@@pikminologueraisin2139a danish Metal band that I quite like
I freaked out when BKC played the replay 2 seconds in instead of 20 minutes
We're missing a move that does agility + cosmic power. And shift gear Metagross.
Noooooo 😭 shift hear metagross sounds cool but cosmic power + agility 😭😭😭 could you imagine that on stuff like clef stored power mons going to the moon
@@tazabstrakt2432Mew could do that in Gen 8
Yeah but that's a commitment to 2 moves, imagine it being one!@@MaahirMomtaz12
Belly Drum is the best move.
kinda expected the stupidness of power herb geomancy to also be mentioned but I guess it is technically banned anyway, as long as you're not playing vgc
No mention of cotton guard 😢
I know a lot of people have said it but not only was Tail Glow the signature move of Volbeat originally, but it was +2 SpAtk because in gen 3 Nasty Plot didn't exist
it only became a +3 in gen 5, I wonder why...
I feel like Gen 5 introduced a bunch of wack new mechanics
Regenerator, Non Legendaries getting access to Drizzle and Drought, Quiver Dance, Volt Switch, etc. Yeah Gen 5 def had some weird mechanics tbh. Still my favorite gen but yeah
Since gen 7 onwards…. It’s just been wack games. With less mechanics
Gen5 its when the real power creep hit
@@viniciusbatista146gen 4
@@viniciusbatista146 nah def gen 4 the stat creep on the new evos was brazy - gen 5 has a much more similar OU to gen 4 than gen 4 is to 3. Gen 5's power is largely from weather.
Tail Glow was in Gen3, it was Volbeat's move
I think the problem with your logic is that you're conflating stat boost quantity with outcome. Volc isn't doing that much with the spedef boost, like sure it helps vs special attackers but most revenge killers are gonna be physical anyway and volc already has good spedef. Volc is usually just a super strong mon with special DD, the third stat isnt that relevant.
Shell smash is honestly the only one of the three that means anything. Tail glow's distribution is miniscule and all it's gonna let you do is wallbreak because nothing super fast gets it.
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? [4:57 to 6:10]
(The Lando and Excadrill clicking rocks then spin over and over for a minute and 13 seconds)
Veluza cant get away with this
Not sensei axew having a full team of pkmn named after ariana grande songs 😭
A music recommendation for the background I would say is risk of rain 2, it's really good
"Swords Dance and then joined by Nasty Plot in Gen 4"
Gen 3 Volbeat Tail Glow: Am I a joke to you?
Yes, it’s Volbeat.
Fans of the band Volbeat who have somehow not heard of Pokémon ever: “No, Volbeat is not a joke.”
What about Extreme Ryan Gosling Moves?
Bro I expect a apology video to my client volbeat
Remember when curse was overpowered and growth was viable?
I instantly read the title as "Extreme evo boost" and thought it was a video about Eevee.
Imagine being called shellgon, and not learning shell smash. Salamence gang rise up!!!
Here’s an idea for a Lumineon evolution: Illustreon
Type: Water/Fairy
Ability: Swift Swim/Storm Drain (Hidden Ability: Illuminate)
Base Stats:
HP: 89
Attack: 74
Defense: 91
Sp. Atk: 89
Sp. Def: 106
Speed: 111
Movepool: Lumineon’s movepool + Tail Glow, Moonblast, Calm Mind, Flash Cannon, Solar Beam, Moonlight, Charge Beam, Aurora Beam, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psychic
I think tail glow was signature move of volbeat in gen III.
This is a bad faith argument because you're taking boosting moves in a vacuum. Of course Terrakion with a move that was both SD and RP would be broken. It'll never have that move though. QD and Shell Smash usually aren't a problem cause they're on bad Pokemon. Volc and Cloyster are the exceptions, and this video could have just been about them.
Babe new BKC video just dropped
I have my Omastar teams ready to go for when Cloyster gets banned
This is one of the primary gameplay reasons why I ended up gravitating towards oldgens all those years back; and I always found it weird that nobody seemed to have much of an issue with setup mechanics gameplay-wise. To me it's such a thoroughly unfun experience when so much of the game revolves entirely around that single setup turn, it reduces in-battle dynamics and complexity by a lot because so many options are entirely off-limits (think of the classic "i can never kill anything with this mon because it gives free setup" situations).
Of course they're interesting in their own way, but I personally much prefer games where you can only ever get so much mileage out of one good play, and wins are achieved through accruing small edges over and over rather than making everything revolve around the one big break.
Me about to sweep you with ancient power
Asking this out of curiosity, what changed around cloyster that now makes it banworthy? Or is it just "theres so much broken bs we only now got to cloyste"?
Don’t quote me on this but I think people have recently started using mixed sets on it (e.g. Hidden power grass) , making it more unpredictable.
I am engaging with Kevin's CZcams content in order to force the algorithm to recognize him for the genius auteur that he is.
bro at 10:26 how did the dragonite do 27% to latios?
i calced it and at most it is doing 21%
-1 252+ Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Latios: 79-93 (26.2 - 30.8%)
Seems fine to me
You might have calced jolly
More BKC baby
Surprised he didn’t talk about geomancy
I bet you Finch invented extreme boosting moves!
Is this what we need to ban Silver Wind pass in ADV?
I sometimes put ancient power on sd pass celebi and fire it off on like zapdos
I saw a Ninjask ditto today. It's an insight into a terrifying future if ADV is not saved from that.
Whats going on with ADV baton pass at the moment? Wasn’t there a debate about it late last year?
@@elliottheward2372 People wanted Ninjask to be banned from Gen 3 OU, but since the tiering council is so hellbent on consistent tiering policies, they would only hold a vote on banning _speed pass._ Barely not enough people voted to ban it, so nothing has changed.
No mention of belly drum?
BKC is my goat ❤
Are meteor beam/electro shot "super boosting moves"?
They only boost your spa by one stage so I would think not
please don't ban both cloy and volcarona in bw ou
Here are some other insane boosters:
Paradox, only 4 of them are really broken: flutter, bundle, moon, wake. And that last two is exclusive to nat dex. Fans of the zacian path of OPness. “Gimme my boosts now”
Also iron crown is literally new magerna. Booster/lefties, agilly, cm, stored, last ehh steel special dual chop, focus blast, sub? Or idbp. But literally every steel can iron press
Ultra beasts: the originals. And only 2 made it into Ubers: naga and phero.
U want Omni boosting pain? Try MEGA SMASH STOISE.
Also more z boosters beyond Kommo. Kommo could potentially DOUBLE DANCE.
Z scales, drain punch back ur HP, spend a 3rd on clangourus Soul, for another Omni boost. 4th is a free move, best if ur iron head. Or if ur item slot is free cuz ur support mo, could go loaded dice, or sitrus.
Other boosters. Vic is a known guy. But what I didn’t know is that ancient Zelly (z celly) rachi is an illegal set. How lame
Zoro hisui! Lati level speed, Hydriggy level fire power, all the plus ones, has no drain move. But has Hyp voice to nuke subs. And hex for noob gliscor
Let alone the ice, slams, and iron heads.
Espeon: omg it’s god like, u got the celly, stored, kiss, skill swap. Rob gliscor of his status immunity, possibly on the same turn that he Tox’ if he’s that stupid. Rob heatran, “I am tha captain now” or unaware for that +1. Or if u was CM mirror herb
Also alcreamie, trevenant/Smeargle, gorgiest can Omni Z. Or conversion.
Fucking greninja! So I’m stripped of my freedom of picking which bbond I want? Nah cap. If it’s NATIONAL dex, then I could go to the “nation” of Hawaii, and get me an ACTUAL Ash gren, and come back.
MF they let u use ULTRA NECROZMA. In the gens w/ no z move… 😐🗿
Another crime: can’t even double dance w/ him. I tried Z celly bbond gren. Nope. Why? Yk what stops the greninja, who’s gimmick is killing a Mon for more roids, to stop and not be able to celebrate?
Ik greninja is capable of BMing 🥸
Oh yeah? Ok.
Hmm, why not ban shell smash rather than Cloyster? Would it mess with lower tiers too much?
cloyster would be unviable with a shell smash ban. Both a cloyster and a shell smash ban would accomplish the same thing; so it makes sense to just ban cloyster to avoid complications (like maybe if you banned cloyster people might try gorbyss or another shell smasher).
@@kingwailord4143 Yeah, that sounds about right.
Hey now, once I get my 3 Ancientpower boosts in a row in GSC you're cooked... +3 Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. Snorlax: 241-284 (46 - 54.3%) -- 4.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery...
Oh fuck you.
TG manaphy beats stall, so it gets to stay 👍
BKC
Another issue with those big ole boosting moves compared to double dance is that you get another free slot for coverage. It’s pretty tough to kill everything with only two coverage moves
These have always been some of my least favorite moves to play against. I liked it more when two stat boosts were the limit out of one move
you forgot to mention agility! great vid tho :)
that’s not 3 stages
@@midnightemerald agility boosted speed by 2 stages before gen 5 like SD, Nasty Plot, and Amnesia, no? I was referring to that
@@SinggaSongg it always has boosted by two stages, the whole video's about 3+ stage boosts (qd being +1 +1 +1, shell smash +2 +2 +2 -1 -1)
@@midnightemeraldthey might be referring to earlier in the vid when bkc was talking about SD and NP
@@midnightemerald yeah i totally get that! just saying in the beginning of your vid you mention SD/Nasty Plot/Amnesia as the only moves that boosted a stat by 2 stages in early pokemon and i mentioned agility bc its my favorite move :)
Why so many volbeat fans in this comment section that thing sucks
BkcSHORTS