cloister /ˈklɔɪstə/ noun a covered walk in a convent, monastery, college, or cathedral, typically with a colonnade open to a quadrangle on one side. www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/cloyster/ replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-752478 www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-xv-bw-discussion-and-now-some-tiering-discussion.3734115/page-2#post-10068507 www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-volcarona-and-cloyster.3734004/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-cloyster.3742769/
Cloyster may be one of the most clever names in the franchise. It's a simultaneously a combination of clam and oyster while also being a pun on cloister.
solid arguments kev, however i have spent 5 minutes theorymoning about this tier i dont play and have decided cloyster is fine, making me the victor. inform the council
@@cooperm4185 i wouldn't have agreed with that in BW per se, but Cloyster was considered a more niche win condition that needed more support than other options. I don't really pay attention to BW any more, so I'm not as invested in this outcome, I'm just saying that was just the prevailing view of Cloyster at the time.
@@johnbanks1069Also low ladder loves using shell smash mons without proper team support, so that probably played a role in people overlooking it. (BW Cloy is one of the few smashers that actually excels in OU though; most suck because GF balances the move out by mostly giving it to relatively slow mons. I remember being swept by Sturdy Crustle a few times when I didn't know how to build a good team. It's not quite on the same level as FEAR strats, but it approaches that.) Kinda like how noobs were the only ones to use things like King's Rock or Baton Pass cheese for a while, so it took a bit for people with meta knowledge to make these uncompetitive elements as consistent as possible when it came to scoring wins.
Ah…. Perry the Platypus…. Ever since I was a wee low ladder I have been sick of getting schooled by meta slaves when I just want to use my favourites like A REAL trainer should… But now with my newest invention I will ban all the broken meta mons so GUMSHOOS can be #1 usage!! Perry The Platypus, I present to you… THE FINCHINATOR!!!!!
once again finch ruins a meta with his bans. He should have just adapted, like us, by running hidden power electric Empoleon. Another offensive mon fallen to the stall-loving smogon council. Thanks for everything, fraud-chinator.
After the ban of Cloyster in the B/W metagame, 38 have been found dead in Illinois, 109 injured, with the local GDP of India dropping by over 12%... How will this affect Gen 9 OU?
Honestly though the RNG items basically only existed for unviable, uncompetitive cheese, and surprise evasion mechanics really do not have a place in any metagame, of any genre of game. Then again I have spicy opinions about a categorical ban on sleep moves, but go figure
252 SpA Raichu Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 452-534 (187.5 - 221.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO The meta simply doesn't want to adapt by using scarfed fast electrics, so Finch gets to fine dine after yet another dictatorial ban, I hope Nintendo steps in.
When i first read the title i thought it said Cloyster was now Uber in RBY lul. I just thought "I guess stab ice and explosion are just that good in RBY"
Still really good though. Explosion is good (kills something, gains momentum, has jank), Clamp is good (imagine if U-turn had bad accuracy and you could chip somebody to death with it), Blizzard is stupid (90% accurate freezing Stone Edge lmao), and whatever goes into your fourth slot is good (Hyper Beam to capitalize off Clamp, Rest to not die). Also, being an Ice type means you can’t be frozen in Gen 1, meaning you don’t have a 10% chance of any Ice move killing you instantly
I was my car, crying and listening late 80s Norwegian black metal, but them this BKC video autoplayed and i found a new reason to live. If Cloyster can be ubers in BW, i can make in this world
Reuniclus in court: Your honor, the mitosis alegations are false, i would never divide my cell material so that there would be a copy of my genetic materials on another cell
You see me now, a veteran Of a thousand weather wars I've been living Stone Edge so long Where the TTar sandstorms roar And I'm fast enough to sweep back And far too strong to stop All the checks are chipped down I'm not sure if there's a tier left for me
24:12 The low health music commencing as a result of the BW community being insulted. The victory theme to celebrate the Cloyster ban. BKC continues to craft cinematic masterpieces.
Wow totally seems like rain is not the overarching problem for over ten years now they really keep cooking!! Maybe another complex ban of you cant play against cloyster teams if you prepare for rain team !!1
Directly dealing with the permaweather by this point is, unfortunately, a fool's errand. Every single facet of BWOU's meta evolution for the last 14 years has been based on permaweather, banning Drizzle or Sand Stream or Drought is effectively making a whole new tier from the ground up and BWOU simply does not have the player count to ensure that new tier grows since you would need to reevaluate almost every single tiering decision of the last 14 years. It needed to be something handled while BWOU was current and criticisms in hindsight of how BWOU was handled at the time are hardly uncommon, so unless you invent a time machine you're never going to see a Drizzle ban in BWOU.
@@pikminologueraisin2139 Yeah weather isn't necessarily *the* problem, but I think the BWOU council of near 15 years ago could've stood to be more critical of weather. Nothing that can be changed now.
I haven’t played BW OU in years. Kinda happy to see that my old sand team was ahead of its time. t-tar to counter the rain and set up rocks, Alakazam to revenge kill, gliscor wall, seismitoad for coverage, sandslash for offense (meta was over-teched for excadrill’s steal type, access to sand rush), 6 slot was kinda free, I tried lucario and others but the core was set. At one point, I won 20 games in a row unranked.
Does anyone know how mixed cloyster was discovered? I know that shell smash mixed shellder has been a set in little cup for a while now and I'm curious if the inspiration for mixed cloyster actually came from shellder's success with it in LC.
I dont know the metagame much but I always wondered why wasn't Latios ever banned in the metagame ? A lot of people agree that it's broken, out of the broken mons it's by far the easiest to replace (Latias exists), yet it was never suspected ? What Latios brings to the meta that Latias doesn't bring herself to justify it staying in OU ?
Simple: Magic guard in a meta where passive damage is prevalent means it can't be worn down. Second, support from rocky helmet skarm and spin blocking jellacent means the opponent takes a lot of passive damage trying to kill the blob. It can even survive non banned pursuit tyranitar with ease. It caused so much chaos that excadrill had to be unbanned just to stop it from rampaging through the tier
trickroom + 3 attacks + life orb completely stomps faster, more fragile teams not prepared for it. The CM set can overpower its checks. Reuni is borderline broken, but not as bad as Cloyster or Volc.
That bastard adores stall for some god forsaken reason and will do anything today make it the best possible way to play the game despite literally every other sports, game and EVERYTHING community explicitly banning the very concept of stalling.
Been playing more BW in the last couple months and I consistently hit around 1400 on ladder. After your bids about cloyster I just threw one on the team. It literally never came out or auto won the game LOL
I love how the first 8 mins of the video was, to quote a certain video you did in the past "I ran Ttar because i dont want to lose to rain(and Latios) dipshit"
And that’s another Mon on the list for banned ice types, showing how gamefreak just can’t fine a balanced medium for designing them: they are either forgettable lower tiers at best or broken beyond repair. Especially funny since the one ice mon they actually DID get just right on that medium was in the same Gen as this ban
At what point do you just give up on a meta because deep inside you know it's truly beyond fucked and no amount of changes will ever save it? That's what Gen5 OU feels like to me.
I’ve said it for years these uncheckable stat boosting mons (Reuniclus, Volcarona, Cloyster, Dragonite) are the problem of BW OU. “But.. but.. they’re ruined by stealth rock!!!”
cloister
/ˈklɔɪstə/
noun
a covered walk in a convent, monastery, college, or cathedral, typically with a colonnade open to a quadrangle on one side.
www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/cloyster/
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-752478
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-xv-bw-discussion-and-now-some-tiering-discussion.3734115/page-2#post-10068507
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-volcarona-and-cloyster.3734004/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-cloyster.3742769/
I've only actually heard this as a verb before but this makes sense too
Cloyster may be one of the most clever names in the franchise. It's a simultaneously a combination of clam and oyster while also being a pun on cloister.
That phonetic transcription is the British pronunciation as it doesn't end with the letter 'r'
solid arguments kev, however i have spent 5 minutes theorymoning about this tier i dont play and have decided cloyster is fine, making me the victor. inform the council
Made me LOL
I lowkey do that most of the time
LMAOO
Guys I've figured it out, choice band ferrothorn beats it
🙏@@KrazyKyle-ij9vb
The wild thing is that "ban Cloyster" is the sort of argument that was made fun of during the BW era
I remember someone saying Shell Smash Cloyster was the Gen 5 equivalent of Gyaravire circa 2013 as in it was just a noob trap
It was when other stuff was still unbanned he was always op just not op enough.
@@cooperm4185 i wouldn't have agreed with that in BW per se, but Cloyster was considered a more niche win condition that needed more support than other options. I don't really pay attention to BW any more, so I'm not as invested in this outcome, I'm just saying that was just the prevailing view of Cloyster at the time.
@@johnbanks1069Also low ladder loves using shell smash mons without proper team support, so that probably played a role in people overlooking it. (BW Cloy is one of the few smashers that actually excels in OU though; most suck because GF balances the move out by mostly giving it to relatively slow mons. I remember being swept by Sturdy Crustle a few times when I didn't know how to build a good team. It's not quite on the same level as FEAR strats, but it approaches that.) Kinda like how noobs were the only ones to use things like King's Rock or Baton Pass cheese for a while, so it took a bit for people with meta knowledge to make these uncompetitive elements as consistent as possible when it came to scoring wins.
In fairness this was the same era that decided that permanent weather in OU was fine
Ah…. Perry the Platypus…. Ever since I was a wee low ladder I have been sick of getting schooled by meta slaves when I just want to use my favourites like A REAL trainer should… But now with my newest invention I will ban all the broken meta mons so GUMSHOOS can be #1 usage!! Perry The Platypus, I present to you… THE FINCHINATOR!!!!!
best comment I've ever seen
Crazy how "The Finchinator" sounds like a creation that Doofenshmirtz would create
Cloister really is broken in gen 5 not only did it get kings rock banned, it got gems banned than got banned itself
Chad saved the meta then left for Ubers
king deserved an ubers after all the times its been on the block tbh@@nexenojustice552
served its' purpose, now into the trash it goes
once again finch ruins a meta with his bans. He should have just adapted, like us, by running hidden power electric Empoleon. Another offensive mon fallen to the stall-loving smogon council. Thanks for everything, fraud-chinator.
good bye meta diversity. whenever someone finds a cool strategy that works finch always bans it so that we all have to play their way.
Finch is a loser!
Finchinator has claimed the life of another innocent victim
BW OU stall wins again
"Innocent victim" and it's the most heinous creature you've ever seen roam the lands of ou
@@usernametaken017 cloyster went from a lil spiker to this abomination. Don't do shell smash kids
Another Landorus-T check claimed...
"Finchinator is EVIL and Must Be Stopped!"
This is the first time Cloyster has been banned from OU in Smogon history
It was almost banned in Gen 8 but they decided to go with kings rock instead
For the first time in Las Vegas Golden Knights history
This was first time a non legend ice type is banned to ubers
@@masteraryan3250baxcalibur
@@masteraryan3250 Second
Bax is not a legend, technically speaking
After the ban of Cloyster in the B/W metagame, 38 have been found dead in Illinois, 109 injured, with the local GDP of India dropping by over 12%... How will this affect Gen 9 OU?
Blastoise will take over just you wait
Never forget that King's Rock died for the sins of Cloyster.
And good riddance
And gems
@@MaahirMomtaz12 gems was breloom and volc too, especially breloom though
Honestly though the RNG items basically only existed for unviable, uncompetitive cheese, and surprise evasion mechanics really do not have a place in any metagame, of any genre of game.
Then again I have spicy opinions about a categorical ban on sleep moves, but go figure
252 SpA Raichu Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 452-534 (187.5 - 221.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The meta simply doesn't want to adapt by using scarfed fast electrics, so Finch gets to fine dine after yet another dictatorial ban, I hope Nintendo steps in.
How can Nintendo step in?
@@Gich101 I can't speak, I'm afraid Finch could hear me and prepare himself
Finch sketches boeings last move
I ran a specs jolteon during these days. Not for cloyster but because I liked it. Which was useful for so many matchups
We’re never getting the ADV OU lead metagame video
Ah, yes. My favorite early game cleaner
me when the opposite bulky water/steel type is worned down by 20%hp:
When i first read the title i thought it said Cloyster was now Uber in RBY lul. I just thought "I guess stab ice and explosion are just that good in RBY"
STAB Ice moves off that juicy 85 Spc stat go _brrrrrazy_
Still really good though. Explosion is good (kills something, gains momentum, has jank), Clamp is good (imagine if U-turn had bad accuracy and you could chip somebody to death with it), Blizzard is stupid (90% accurate freezing Stone Edge lmao), and whatever goes into your fourth slot is good (Hyper Beam to capitalize off Clamp, Rest to not die).
Also, being an Ice type means you can’t be frozen in Gen 1, meaning you don’t have a 10% chance of any Ice move killing you instantly
9:23
Really says a lot when that Ferro could barely live that at 88%
thats wild, considering a crit and 12% chip.
Sitrus Berry is just that broken, we should tell Finch!
Called my guys up, we’ve locked hands in a circle and have done our little dance for the big day
Please continue to provide us with the information on whether or not your text was important. It’s the only reason I watch these videos.
The Evil Haxmaster, Flinchinator, took away another counter to the eternal opp, Air Slash Togekiss.
Truly a sad day for all of smogonkind.
I was my car, crying and listening late 80s Norwegian black metal, but them this BKC video autoplayed and i found a new reason to live. If Cloyster can be ubers in BW, i can make in this world
If anyone says "shell smash is broken, not Cloyster" then tell them to use Crustle and see how it goes😂
Wait until we proove you wrong with a mixed hp ice set.
Check mate!
That isn't Shell Smash not being broken, it's Crustle being catastrophically bad.
@@henriquepacheco7473 True, but that just means Shell Smash would be fine on bad Pokemon
hop off my goat crustle 🖕
@@lordinfernape4753 if cloyster didn't have shell smash, it would be ass in OU. Shell smash is fine only on very ass mons
Reuniclus in court:
Your honor, the mitosis alegations are false, i would never divide my cell material so that there would be a copy of my genetic materials on another cell
we get cloyster ban before a magic guard clause lol
THE MAD LADS HAVE DONE IT A POSITIVE CHANGE FOR BW OU
something something latios
@@usernametaken017 Something something release deoxys attack
My man went from
Prety good in ou
Top 3 in ou
Kind of ok in ou
UU
Uber
As someone who knows nothing about the gen 5 ou meta game, I’m enraged and think that 67% of voters are stupid
Seeing an ice type banned from OU is always crazy
Offensive Ice types are way easier to be broken than defensive or even slightly bulky
@Weavileiscool but despite cloyster fitting that bill perfectly, you wouldn't assume it was a glass cannon type at first.
Then it two shots ferro
The real crazy thing is seeing an ice type stay as OU, normally either no one uses them or they’re banned, especially in SV.
Have you seen Gen 9?
@@Rarest26When three offensive Ices introduced in Gen IX get banned, you know the type is amazing offensively.
BKC pulling up the replay on dial up internet 😭
The clam is the latest casualty of the Weather Wars.
You see me now, a veteran
Of a thousand weather wars
I've been living Stone Edge so long
Where the TTar sandstorms roar
And I'm fast enough to sweep back
And far too strong to stop
All the checks are chipped down
I'm not sure if there's a tier left for me
I've heard of the Weathers Wars myth. I thought it was only ttar and thundurus -using- abusing 100% accuracy Thunder
Oh my God, they killed my boy (ive played 4 games of gen5 ou, 1-3 with the cloyster sweep saving me)
That 40% crit from an icicle spear made me die a little bit.
24:12 The low health music commencing as a result of the BW community being insulted. The victory theme to celebrate the Cloyster ban. BKC continues to craft cinematic masterpieces.
This is so based . Have been avoiding gen 5 like a pleague . Glad to see it going to the right direction to become another awesome old tier
Gen 5 introduced so many stupid and overpowered new things
Finch just needs to get good and run hp fighting bastiodon like I do. Not all of us can be winners I guess
Also other problem of the old suspect when was both cloy , volc was because was made during christmas which made hard for some ppl to do it
Good change imo. Reuniclus and Sand Force/ Exca could be cool to see suspected too. Also Volc. Without all of that BW can lowkey be really enjoyable
great vid as always, also rest in peace steve albini.
Never thought I'd see the day where Cloyster was banished from an official OU meta game. Here we are now
The best part of the video is the 3 FPS battle replay, the commentary and shit is unironically epic tho, both combined makes them fire
Playing video games while watching this. Thanks for the insight BKC
this is insane. cloyster’s claim over the OU tier has capsized.
Wow totally seems like rain is not the overarching problem for over ten years now they really keep cooking!! Maybe another complex ban of you cant play against cloyster teams if you prepare for rain team !!1
Rain Is good
Cloyster's stupid
Learn the diference
Rain is stupid
Cloyster can be stupid and even stupider added with other stupid things
Directly dealing with the permaweather by this point is, unfortunately, a fool's errand. Every single facet of BWOU's meta evolution for the last 14 years has been based on permaweather, banning Drizzle or Sand Stream or Drought is effectively making a whole new tier from the ground up and BWOU simply does not have the player count to ensure that new tier grows since you would need to reevaluate almost every single tiering decision of the last 14 years.
It needed to be something handled while BWOU was current and criticisms in hindsight of how BWOU was handled at the time are hardly uncommon, so unless you invent a time machine you're never going to see a Drizzle ban in BWOU.
@@StarfieldDisarray weathers ain't the problem geeze
@@pikminologueraisin2139 Yeah weather isn't necessarily *the* problem, but I think the BWOU council of near 15 years ago could've stood to be more critical of weather. Nothing that can be changed now.
It seems we will never have that advance lead video
Damn this video is like half as long as what people predicted
I haven’t played BW OU in years. Kinda happy to see that my old sand team was ahead of its time.
t-tar to counter the rain and set up rocks, Alakazam to revenge kill, gliscor wall, seismitoad for coverage, sandslash for offense (meta was over-teched for excadrill’s steal type, access to sand rush), 6 slot was kinda free, I tried lucario and others but the core was set. At one point, I won 20 games in a row unranked.
Does anyone know how mixed cloyster was discovered? I know that shell smash mixed shellder has been a set in little cup for a while now and I'm curious if the inspiration for mixed cloyster actually came from shellder's success with it in LC.
hp fire to slam ferrothorn or hp grass for keldeo. getting past its usual checks. people started experimenting with it on the ladder
I dont know the metagame much but I always wondered why wasn't Latios ever banned in the metagame ? A lot of people agree that it's broken, out of the broken mons it's by far the easiest to replace (Latias exists), yet it was never suspected ? What Latios brings to the meta that Latias doesn't bring herself to justify it staying in OU ?
Looks like they are still updating the BW metagame...
So why can't they let all of the OU by technicality Pokemon be allowed in lower tiers?
I took a month break form BW, and this happens. More change than we've seen in years
rest in peace earth power lando
This is Big Stall™️ propaganda, it must be. According to my calculations, this should have been impossible
Big stall is fucking dead unfortunately, got crit twice by cloister and thus lost the entire game on the spot
@@usernametaken017 Fake News, to the Gulags with you
Video on what makes Gen 5 Reuniclus so broken next? Never played Gen 5 OU myself. Would be curious to learn about that one too.
Simple: Magic guard in a meta where passive damage is prevalent means it can't be worn down.
Second, support from rocky helmet skarm and spin blocking jellacent means the opponent takes a lot of passive damage trying to kill the blob. It can even survive non banned pursuit tyranitar with ease.
It caused so much chaos that excadrill had to be unbanned just to stop it from rampaging through the tier
trickroom + 3 attacks + life orb completely stomps faster, more fragile teams not prepared for it. The CM set can overpower its checks. Reuni is borderline broken, but not as bad as Cloyster or Volc.
Cloyster before Shell Smash: Defensive wall
Cloyster after Shell Smash: Broken setup sweeper
The idea that sand needs to be viable is such a dumbfuck argument,
GOOD!
i don't play BW OU but fuck Cloyster, it always fucks me raw in Rabdom Battles. Would be nice if they banned Shell Smash in that cursed meta.
🤨
I ran Cloyster in RandBats for my school, and it was incredibly fun.
They need to start looking at UUBL list now.
Holy shit. They actually did it.
Finch bowing down to Big Stall
That bastard adores stall for some god forsaken reason and will do anything today make it the best possible way to play the game despite literally every other sports, game and EVERYTHING community explicitly banning the very concept of stalling.
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 stall is literally not good in gen 9
@@joanaguayoplanell4912I dont know if you're being serious dawg😭shit so serious and wrong at the same time
stall teams on their way to recover to full after i fail to predict wat they'll do in one turn
I thought my wifi was tripping out, but I think its just your computer lagging
For some reason I thought bw was rby and I was very confused for a solid 50 seconds
As someone that spammed king's rock cloy in gen 5.... I'm proud of my boy
Putting the w in bw ou. Making gen 5 more playable one ban at a time
We got Cloyster ban before GTA 6
finally, this mon has hurt me so long now. Always felt like a noob to be frustrated when i lose to this mon in any gen or any of the shell smashers.
I checked cloyster is indeed uber
I never had issues facing cloyster back in the day. Hes still doing the same tricks as always. This is an unexpected turn of events
Thank you finch 💗😊
18:51
Goodbye Keldeo
May you ever grow in OU
You were the horse that paced itself
Where shells were torn apart
AND IT SEEMS TO ME
I have been a cloyster uber advocate for almost 2 years now, so I am absolutety ecstatic.
I love Cloyster and between it getting kings rock banned last gen and this, I'm glad people are realizing what a threat it can be
a huge W for progress
Ok, now with Cloyster gone who's gonna be the next one on the chopping block?
Big day for Drag Mag gang
Well well, cloyster was the only thing stopping choiceband donphan from running OU, confratuliToons I hope you’re happy
Then ban latias in dpp idk man very weird
IMHO the next one should be Reuniclus
Smogon loves stall
Well, at least Cloyster has a niche in gen 5 ubers
Do you believe reun is next In line?
I hope so!
Smashing!
WHOA WHAT?
252 SpA Latios Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 307-363 (127.3 - 150.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Reuniclus Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 438-516 (181.7 - 214.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA 30 IVs Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 248-294 (102.9 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 315-372 (130.7 - 154.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
48+ SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 846-996 (351 - 413.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Jirachi Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 360-424 (149.3 - 175.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Starmie Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 470-554 (195 - 229.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Bkc do u fw daytime drinking
I don't drink at all!
Common Cloyster (B)W
Cloyster found dead in philly
Been playing more BW in the last couple months and I consistently hit around 1400 on ladder. After your bids about cloyster I just threw one on the team. It literally never came out or auto won the game LOL
Average 1400 elo take
@@theschnozzler yeah I think that was the issue it made me hit 1600 without any other adjustments lol
@@RedBloodedMale777 good job on the climb tho
Borrowing Key Cloisters
I love how the first 8 mins of the video was, to quote a certain video you did in the past
"I ran Ttar because i dont want to lose to rain(and Latios) dipshit"
And that’s another Mon on the list for banned ice types, showing how gamefreak just can’t fine a balanced medium for designing them: they are either forgettable lower tiers at best or broken beyond repair.
Especially funny since the one ice mon they actually DID get just right on that medium was in the same Gen as this ban
At what point do you just give up on a meta because deep inside you know it's truly beyond fucked and no amount of changes will ever save it?
That's what Gen5 OU feels like to me.
Tbh I feel like Gen 9 is similar
On my end
But latios is OU
idk id just bring kingambit and reverse 6-0
Simply run Poliwrath.
True, 10+ year metagame still hasnt found that flawless solution yet
@@oscen335 Poliwrath is without flaw
@@BackwardsHat def got a good design
Best Pokemon of all time 👍
I’ve said it for years these uncheckable stat boosting mons (Reuniclus, Volcarona, Cloyster, Dragonite) are the problem of BW OU.
“But.. but.. they’re ruined by stealth rock!!!”
crazy how bw hasnt stabilized after what, 10 years?
Shame they didn't ban spikes. Really would have made the tier unique
I read the comments and nobody seems concerned about the other shell smashing Pokémon being broken. I mean. That can't be sanitary for their spine.
Now it’s time to go one step further. Make cloyster the first pokemon in history to get banned from randbats
I'm a rain stan baby #sandstormelimationteam
Within the first 2 minutes I learned that half of BW OU mons are actually broken.