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Hold Hands is the best move in the game
Yea
Nah its Catch those hands
@@rpjoca4644 Catch all three of these surging strikes
Smeargle used Hold Hands, the opposing Kyogre and Regielekirefused to attack and sings Kumbaya. This should be how the move is used, a moves that makes the enemies not to attack .
@@wooweihow6975 thats way too broken
video starts at 0:00
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yo, these thumbnails DO NOT need to go this hard
:3 thank you
the dbz cell style rattata is honestly insane
They sorta do. That's how you pull on CZcams.
5:39 Fun little story about Me First. I was recently fighting the Johto Elite 4 for the first time and noticed how Will's first Xatu spammed Me First. Unfortunately for Will, I had a Forretress who knew Spikes (a non damaging move Me First can't use) and Explosion. Watching that bird explode was pretty hilarious.
But then you exploded too XD
im pretty sure explosion fails if there is no target, could be wrong tho
@@ekos8282 I actually didn't. If there's literally no target whatsoever (not just them evading with Fly or Dig) Explosion will fail.
Pokémon should make a competitive game mode in witch all good moves are banned
That kinda reminds me of the “stress cup” that Moxie Boosted did, where all 100% accurate moves were banned. He’s offhandedly mentioned it in a few videos & I’d love to watch it but idk if it’s archived anywhere
Play Pokémon stadium 1&2 rentals only to stimulate this
Tournament where only Randbat sets are allowed?
...I don't know.
@@General_C
Ranbats goes beyond moves, abilities and Tera are the real killers. Freaking Pickpocket Tinkaton stealing a scarf lost me the game.
Being Tera Steel especially wasn’t helpful.
It's not an official format I believe, but I play UUM (Usually Useless Moves) where we can only use the moves under the section listed as Usually Useless as moves.
Still crazy to get access to stuff like Dragon Rush Salamence.
If you liked this video, I really suggest the video *(Usually) Useless Moves* by Reverend, it's absolutely hilarious if you're into past gens and singles.
Things like Mewtwo using Flash to PP stall other mewtwos in gen 1 and Mamoswine using Peck to send Breloom and Heracross to the shadow realm in gen 4.
This was a really interesting video to watch as I really like VGC as well! Keep it up!
heart after 32 seconds of the comment upload the devil works faster but Marcos Boosted works faster apparently
fuck yeah reverend is like the best yt
If I'm being pinned into a corner with no way of recovering from a strong team, I know Tackle has got my back
unless it misses 😂
@@randaljr.8581 not starting with Gen5.
Been a while since a stickmaster post.
4:30 encore is act very good in singles.. seeing use on iron bundle early on, indeedee, iron valiant, tinkaton, etc. it can be useful to screw over setup sweepers and bulky mons
It wasn’t really common until this gen bc it’s one of the three answers to kingambit you need on every team to not autolose
@@gregariosity Nah Encore has been used for years
Hell it's even really good in singleplayer if you're doing a challenge run of any sort. Really just a good move all around.
@@TheWrathAboveabsolut S tier move in harder nuzlockes.
Encore was partially the reason Wobuffet was so good
Leer Roaring Moon in reg B and C was just the predecessor to the genies
Wtf does this mean lol
@@skaapu roaring moon in rule regulation B and C using leer came before the use of landorus/thundorus/tornadus
@@imnotrealyourenotreal the heck is a regulation in this context?
@@robertlupa8273 limited time ruleset for what is allowed and what isn’t. they change every now and then to reflect the new pokemon and changing meta
.@@robertlupa8273name for VGC formats
“Strong moves. Weak moves. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.”
-Moxie Boosted, 2024
- Hold Hands
- Celebrate
- Splash
- Explosion
@@neevko267 One of these things is not like the others
People who like op moves by their design: I see this as an absolute win.
- Rolling Kick
- Glaciate
- Comet Punch
- Spike Cannon
I know the artist is in the description but I still gotta bring attention to the consistent banger thumbnails.
My goat tysm
so what you're saying is: "Moves get better when they effect more than one Pokemon" gotcha.
00:27 who was cooking with Tera fighting water urshifu and thought that’d be the play against Tera psychic expanding force hatterene??
The only thing bro cooked was instant ramen, and it got burnt
I think the Hustle + Ariel Ace combo is pretty cool too.
Me and the boys bringing our Squakabillys to the Poke Portal to get swept by Lil Timmys full team of legendarys: 😎
That shit sounds sick, I never considered the "can't miss" line of moves
Don't think too much about the Thumbnail I'm out here inventing mandela effects
I love the venn diagram between moves often used in casual games, moves often used on competitive, and moves used in challenge runs of games/nuzlockes. Moves like Close Combat and flamethower are most often used in casual games, but competitive still uses those powerful moves plus the "useless" moves like reflect or howl. Nuzlockes will also use some of the "useless" moves but also uses unique moves very often like charm or stealth rocks, while also deeming the super-powerful moves like hydro-pump useless because of their unreliability that the other styles of play would love to use.
That doesn't even cover abilities or the pokemon themselves! A casual might hate "useless" abilities like chlorophyll, competitive users might love it for specific teams, and Nuzlockers might find a niche use for it in difficult matchups. The ability to have multiple ways of playing with certain pokemon is what makes the game so special to me, I love all three+ variations of play.
I have a history with String Shot because I ran it with Unburden Slurpuff in Sword and Shield to great success! I realized that when paired with U-Turn Rillaboom I could make Slurpuff (With a Grassy Seed) into a physically bulky support mon that could enable slower Pokémon better than Tailwind could thanks to the fact that I could use it multiple times in a row; then swap in a Base 80 speed behemoth like Chandelure to clean up the game. I even made Top 500 on the ladder with that team once.
Was it gimmicky? Yes. Was it fun? Absolutely.
5:40
Hey, Moxie, you do get STAB with any moves copied by Me First. It boosts them by 50%
Hittata can't hurt you
Hittata:
It also looks like the Goku Stare meme lol
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yo that translation goes hard
I still distinctly remember the time in BW2, where I had taught my Skarmory Cut because I needed _someone_ that knew the HM move. Cut was virtually useless in all my battles, _except_ in exactly one situation against a random trainer with an Umbreon, where Cut's high PP enabled my Skarmory to PP stall her opponent. I guess everything has at least one use case...
The thumbnail does indeed go hard
Moxie is Prof. Kukui confirmed
I'm tryna be built like him
@MoxieBoosted Pull up to the next Charlotte Regional since full lab coat drip
Funny enough, for me, Charm is iconic for how much of an offensive power house it is in Pokemon Go.
There were basically no offensive fairy "fast moves" in Go, so they decided to break cannon and make it an attack. Ontop of that it's in a category of moves, like counter, that do the highest amount of damage in the shortest period of time. At the cost of taking longer to use your "charge moves".
I love the videos you make like these because it shows how really advanced this game is and how it’s not just a “kids” game. Advanced mechanics like this really made me appreciate the Pokémon games as an adult vs as when I was a kid when my thought process was “my Pokémon is a dinosaur so it’s cool”.
I know very, very little about competitive Pokémon and how to set up a team outside of casual play. That being said, I really think this video is a good example of being accessible to even someone on my level. I doubt I would dabble in competitive play any time soon, but this gave me some ideas of how to start to rethink the games.
I critically enjoy these types of videos. Thank you for that!
I sometimes wonder about baby doll eyes. It seems kind of like intimidate, but it uses a move to do it.
Clefairy gets it; could be good if there's particular meta physical threats you team hates, especially if they like to spam spread moves which you can't follow me away from the partner.
-1 att + friend guard could really screw up some calcs.
I ran it on my Furfrou in gen 6, Return, Thunder Wave, Baby Doll Eyes, Protect good times
So, funny thing about After You. It works with Focus Punch, meaning if your After You user is fast enough, you can spend a turn to ignore the downside of Focus Punch and just delete something.
One fun thing about Beat Up move.
In Gen II if you had frozen pokemon and use beat up on different pokemon in your team, the frozen pokemon *didnt* count for beat up on your side but on the enemy it *did* .
This cause desync on both sides and creates a glitch that is worse and worse the game goes on.
psywave, counter and beat up are literally the most powerful moves in pokemon. They deal super effective damage against the game itself
Prankster Encore-ing protect is the best play
A funny interaction between 2 of these moves talked about in this video that wasn't mentioned is with gravity: an effect of the move that wasn't mentioned is that it can prevent certain moves from being used during it's duration. Hilariously enough, one such move that gravity prevented from being used was splash, of all possible things, and the funniest part is that in gen7, due to the +3 attack boost you can get from Z-splash, that might actually make this interaction somewhat useful
the silence regarding persian running growl in rby ou is deafening
I’m still waiting for the bubble urshifu tech to become meta.
I love vids like this. Def have a new fan
Honestly I’m really enjoying this new form of content. Each video feels more alive than just playing vgc in my opinion
I've been doing this sort of content for a year
Just found your content last night and you’re severely underrated
A good to know fact about gravity's interaction with ground type attacks: it makes any targets that are dropped out of the air take 1× damage from ground type attacks regardless of the pokemon's type.
So using gravity to get Thunderus out of the air for a ground type attack to hit it is just going to result in neutral damage. Same would go for like, Tropius or something.
These “useless” moves reminds me of how some moves are “useless” in main series but are actually quite handy in Pokemon Masters due to battles going from turn based with PP to real time strategy using gauge
I.E.
Leer lowers defence for 1 gauge (all moves being between 0 gauge to 4 gauge, 0 gauge moves usually having caveats like having a requirement or having PP (usually 3 PP or less)) so it provides debuff support whilst leaving gauge for a unit with a high damaging 3 or 4 gauge attack
Smogon Legend Spammers: "Mostly Useless Moves"
Stall Players: "My Bread n Butter Moves"
There should be a usually useless move format in Showdown
3:34 If you tell BKC or Jimothy Cool this, he’ll probably say something like how Beat Up is used sometimes in ADV OU by Dugtrio and Charizard to catch Blissey on the switch and/or ignore Counter.
Beat Up is coded as a Dark type move, and all Dark moves were special back in Gen 3. Additionally, Beat Up did damage based on not only the user and its allies base Attack stats, but the opponent’s base Defense stat as well. So even though Blissey always invests heavily in physical bulk, her minuscule 10 Defense leaves her prone to annihilation from Beat Up, especially with healthy teammates.
Jumping a pink immortal egg with the power of friendship and intrusive thoughts
Gotta love the dev that thought "You know which move needs a special Z-move? Splash. I'm gonna make that happen."
I had a Alolan Persian with Charm as her signature move during my mono Dark run of Scarlet. That alongside Snarl made her the MVP of getting her teammates on the field safely to wreak havoc.
Fun ting about gravity: It also increases the power of Grav Apple from 80 to 120.
There was a move tutor in HGSS that taught string shot to a bunch of random stuff. I only know this because I brought String Shot Mega Venusaur to like 5 games in a draft league once. It was great
I like using mousehold's population bomb on annihilape while holding the loaded dice to get around a +7 boost to rage fist
Can you do most used or useful one next, I know it’ll be a lot harder but it would be cool to see what are the most common moves in general
I have been a fan of a Screech and Metal Sound for decades, even in VGC sometimes. They can be so unexpected, especially when your team has the speed advantage.
I like how they are slowly buffing the old stat based moves like leer and string shot. They’re still early game moves like ember or razor leaf, but they are able to be used in VGC now. Always nice to see more options.
With moves like soak I wanted to get your opinion on the other change Pokémon’s types moves. There’s apparently 13 of these moves so maybe you could make a video on these moves alone if your interested.
What I interested in was your opinion on Trick or Treat (turns Pokémon into ghost type Learned by Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist) and Forest Curse (Turns Pokémon into grass type Learned by Phantump and Trevenant). I was wanting to make a team based around forest curse as it’s a very interesting move that could do a lot of damage to certain Pokémon cause grass is weak to a lot of types.
I was playing a White 2 randomizer a bit ago and got a Shedinja with Conversion. It was pretty hype.
Beat up was a very viable option in gen 3 as a way to deal with blissey. Notable users such as Charizard and Dugtrio. Also in gen 8, Weavile is a good user of Beat-up with choice band in the ubers tier.
My first competitive VGC team that I made was a Murkrow/Quaquaval team. My Murkrow had Screech to lower my opponents' phys def allowing Quaquaval to pick off pokemon with Aqua Step giving him a pseudo Dragon Dance with Moxie.
I know that Chien-pao essentially is Screech as an ability that affects all pokemon on the field, but when Murkrow was all the rage, I didn't see Screech being utilized in its first meta.
In generation 4, I used Natural Gift on a few Pokemon to good effect. It's basically a really bad physical alternative to Hidden Power, but Occa Berry Scizor can use the move for the OHKO against opposing Scizor with Natural Gift Fire, which is even boosted from 60 BP to 90 thanks to Technician. I also used it on Salac Berry Leafeon for Natural Gift Fighting to hit Steel types as it has no other options to threaten them with, and Liechi Berry Entei for Natural Gift Grass to hit Water and Rock types hard. In both cases, if I don't have a target to hit them with, I can always just use the pinch boost instead, which can be fallen into naturally with either Double-Edge or Flare Blitz respectively
3:36
There is a commonly used sm ou team that relies on Beat Up CB weavile to break certain threats.
Beat up is also a viable option in SS ou
When i think about useless moves, i think about moves like mud sport, water sport, and powder…
But i feel in the new generation they might actually have some use for some reason 🤔. 67% damage reduction sounds pretty good and powder does have some use against eruption users. (Fire moves in general)
7:37
The 2 types where changing the opponent's type to yours are dragon and ghost because they are super effective against themselves
Moxie, I personally run a burning jealousy sun team with Chi Yu and decorate support. Ive been struggling to make it work and wondering if you can cook something up with its potential as an accurate heat wave
I believe anything different than constrict is a good move in a way or another, even bubble is better just for being early water stab on early game.
I use noble roar on my doubles pyroar set because it’s funny. It also lets me get a +1 spatk while dropping the enemies’ attack stats.
In Gen 4 I remember using Copy Cat to chain Explosion.
Basically, one Pokémon would explode and the others would follow the next turn (if the opponent was slow enough).
I forgot about Lilligant and after you. I only used it with Lopunny and Aimpom with Kyorge, so I could run modest Life orb or specs water spouts.
Useless abilities would be a nice video. Been having fun with Plusle's and MInun's signature abilities.
Plusle@ Choice scarf (Fire tera)
modest nature
252 Sp Atk/ 100 def / 152 speed
- Volt Switch
- Tera blast
- Alluring voice
- thunderbolt
MInun@ rocky helmet (Water tera)
bold nature
200hp/ 252 Def / 52 SpDef / 4SpAtk
- eletroweb
- Helping hand
- Super fang
- nuzzle
Fun sets and catches a lot of people off guard and ignore them. Especially when MInun is paired with Urshifu or fluttermane
Big props to whomever put the goggles on the Arcanine in the graphic. Made me giggle a lot
I'm a Fell Stinger lover, it's hard to pull off reliably but boy do I love to see it succeed
I once hit a encore disable on my my friend in a doubles match once so satisfying
As a Vanilluxe main (when I'm not using mono bug), Showdown puts Hail down as usually useless. I have hail because I use Ice Body Vanilluxe lol. Each move has its own use-case, which is why team-building is very fun!
Aa I've gotten older, i find myself using non-damaging moves more often. Especially when I'm struggling to beat a gym leader or rival.
I still focus mostly on damaging moves, but sometimes non-damaging moves saves me from being forced to grind levels because I lack any proper strategy and don't understand stats lol
Baby doll eyes has priority and lowers attack by one stage and there are mons with that move that carry intimidate also priority defiant boost.
String shot is amazing.
OMG, i was the one who started uproar feraferig .
It had a second usage. It also broke substitute.
such a good video!!! Great!
Gen 8 and Pokémon specific, but Peck on Physical Nidoking was, according to my friend, something nobody expects.
As it's the only Flying move Nidoking got, and thus the only way to get the +1 Speed boost from Max Airstream on Nidoking, you make do. At the very least, the Max Airstream is 90 power, but y'know. It's now a Speed-boosting Flying-type Physical Flamethrower.
One of my favorites is when Dragonite used to run Fly in singles to keep it from getting hit for a turn, thus giving it more Leftovers healing and making it more likely to heal to full HP, which activates Multiscale.
It would be interesting to see a competitive format with the rules being only usually useless moves to be used. May be aggravating, captivating, or just hilarious to watch
1:58 this sound effect made me think someone invaded my home while I was watching it in the middle of the night
Sableye gets prankster leer and it’s lowkey really good
9:23
Leer has always targeted both Pokemon ever since double battles were introduced
not sure if its considered usually useless but I adore running whimsicott with fake tears and a blaze infernape with overheat u-turn and whatever filler moves you need
something you missed about Splash: back in early metas, I think gen 4 and up or so, people would very rarely use Splash in a Wobbuffet moveset combined with encore and shadow tag to PP stall certain pokemon who couldn't fight back.
6:34 k9 pure gold with that goggles
minor correction, beat up is actually a viable move in singles. choice band weavile used to run it in gen 8 to nuke right through things early game since it hits harder than knock with all 6 mons healthy. also in gen 3 it's a really weird move that's extremely useful, despite being a dark type special move it does typeless physical damage, which not only is calculated purely on the combined base attack of your party (it doesnt scale with your evs or nature or band), it ignores defense evs, so any special attacker or dugtrio can run it to 2 hit blissey
In gen 8 i used Round on both Scarf Regieleki and Throat Spray Primarina to turn Prim into a terrifying lightning sweeper
3:20 Beat Up can actually be run in Gen 3 OU because it's weird mechanics mean it 2 hit KO's every Blissey set.
My guy forgot Z-Happy Hour (I check if it was banned in vgc and it isn’t)
For me its Abilities. The fact that having one or another can make or break a pokemon, and allow different combos is amazing
I wish so bad for a prankster tailwhip pokemon. Like leer, it was buffed to lower the stats on both opps. Nice to see a fellow leer user. Trying to find some way to combine it with sword of ruin for some big damage. If only Chien-pao learned glacial lance. lol
Ok so playing metronome battles with my friend we discovered that imprision is freacking broken there but also I saw the potential in that move, lets just say that you have a gallade with tr, then with also running imprision in that mon you can basically negate every tr setter in the field
This is common in vgc
@@MoxieBoosted oh, I havent really seen it, but I just started playing quite recently soo yeah that might be why, thx for letting me know
the moves i personally find the most fascinating are the absolute bottom of the dumpster moves, ones that are so ridiculously niche and low distribution they're pretty much completely useless even in the context of a casual playthrough, garbage like purify (pyukumuku's signature move that heals your partner's status condition), ion deluge (turns all normal type moves used this turn into electric type, only learned by a couple of low tier electric types), worry seed (turns the opponent's ability into insomnia) and powder (a move only available in gens 6 and 7 exclusive to vivillon and ribombee, which covers the target in powder and if they try to use a fire type move that turn it fails and they take 25% damage)
Worry Seed has uses. It absolutely ruins rest tanks.
@@manjackson2772 not only that, it also does the funny thing of making gliscor hate itself ( or poison healers in general )
Two examples of bad moves being used in the same vain which are funny is flyin in gen on choice band sets sometimes running gust to nuke breloom, and more recently mamoswine in gen 7 UU would run peck and Flynium Z to specifically nuke buzzwole
What of Z-Nature Power + Prankster Whimsicott + Misty Terrain?
Leer actually does have use as a multi-target defense drop in doubles formats.
bro did not watch the video lmao
Watch the video
3:34 so beat up in singles is very interesting let's take gen 3 ou as an example beat up is used by many mons especially the specially oriented ones mainly charizard and it can also be used on dugtrio with arena trap but why just because of one mon blissey who can wall zard so it uses either sub focus punch or beat up on the other hand dugtrio can't ohko blissey with band eq so it traps it and attacks it with beat up and these 2 strats are mainly used on special offense teams who have a hard time against blissey so they use them to get rid of it
beat up btw is a pretty comman move in gen 3 OU. in gen 3 Dugtrio is Legal and depending on the rest of your team Beat UP can be the best move you have at killing blissey. it allows you to drop attack EVs in go for more speed or bulk on dug. its far from any team but its comman enough that in gen3 every team shoud always run nicknames as using beat up would reveal your whole team and gen3 has no team preview.
in gen 2 Miltank runs growl of all thing reason beeing it has hiher AP then Cruse those leer Miltank can depending on the moveset of snorlax beat snorlax. and snorlax is the absolut nr1 in the game.
and Protect is also decently useful in single not he nr1 move like in double obviosuly but still used. on speedboost sets. or wish protect mons for example. or simply as a scoting tool.
I could have sworn splash actually worked in rain, I remember it happening at some point, but it’s been years and I might have just not paid enough attention
Can't wait for the Water & Mud Sport breakdown
I know this is a vgc video, but in GSC singles Miltank would use growl because it would let it survive attacks from Snorlax.
Moxie out here showing illegal pokemon (shiny ogerpon) it looks dope tho
Niche tech/fun fact but Stomp doubles in damage when targeting a pokemon that used minimize and ignores the evasion boost. Smeargle/musk-alola cores beware.
ermm so does body slam (without the doubling in power) and that moves much better 🤓
Hey random question, but has there ever been a doubles format that Baton Pass has been good, or Baton Pass as a form of switching?
1:59 bro that's horrific sound . I am drinking water Than that Sound hit .