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In 2014 Switzerland entered talks with the EU, attempting to clarify and strengthen their relationship. Yesterday they officially ended those talks. In this video we'll take a look at what happens and what's set to happen next...
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How are you gonna do a swexit before you even swenter
You Swont.
twas a swoosh movement.
Because are all swankers
I know right? They're framing is problematic & underscores the problem with an all encompassing 1 EU government.
Let's just enjoy swinter
I don't think putting yourself to the left of the screen was bad, but I do definitely prefer the old style, you standing there feels a bit redundant.
I agree
Yea, I feel that Jack sitting down is also cool and probably less physically stressful for him since he gets to seat lol.
@@spacecraftcarrier4135 honestly standing is more comfortable
totally agree. Let's just have the voiceover.
I don’t mind having him there. What bugs me is that they clip too often. Once I notice that it fucks with my focus
> A Swiss Brexit?
Me: visible confusion
That's why I'm here.
Apologies. Perhaps you would settle for a Swissquit instead?
when ship is sinking rats abandon first.
More like a Sexit
@@hammertiming8423 I guess that makes the rats the clever ones...
I think I prefer video style where the whole screen is infographics personally but good on ya for trying something new, I guess.
Yea I prefer that style more
Perhaps alternating between infographic and face cam would be good. More personality, but still full sized infographics where they're needed.
@@faultier1158 ooooor, he could do camera during the intro and outro of the video and do infographics when getting into the more important parts. basically like how the news does it.
@@just1it1moko Good mix of relatability and utility. Or perhaps I simply have cognitive bias over preferring something familiar ;)
That's a weird way of saying I don't like your face.
Title should be: "4 minutes 15 seconds of TLDR News Eu Not Answering Why Switzerland Don't Want a New EU Deal"
Shouldn't it be Switzerland explaining why they don't want a new deal?
i will explain. there is a part in the agreement that setts the EU justice over the swiss justice. that means, when ever there is a disagreement between the countries, the EU can decide if they are right or switzerland. and we all know whoes right then.
@@swissarmyknife7670 That's only for issues subject to the trade agreement and no it's not the EU but the European court that decides, that's not the same. At the end it's mainly Switzerland wanting to have access to the Single Market and hence the EU wants to have justice spoken in their courts. That's the same for all SM members.
@@Steve_Coates because we don’t want to be a part of the EU and this is literally just the EU trying to force us closer. The EU should fix its own issues rather than trying to constantly expand.
@@sdprz7893 no,it's because your racist country does not want to allow immigrants that you deem as "undesirable" to work and live there.
Technically, Switzerland is not surrounded by EU members, it's neighboring Liechtenstein which is not an EU member :)
Lichtenstein is a swiss protectorate, therefore not exactly
Oh, didn't think of that... that changes everything!
Groundbreaking news there, thanks for ur service
It doesn't really matter, one can still besiege the entire country lol
@@carlosandleon the swiz defense plan is a work of genius, anyone who tries to invade is fucked.
No staring them, no heavy machinery, can't bomb em only infantry can move in and they are at a huge disadvantage.
Relationship status: Switzerland - EU
it's complicated
(in fact the whole situation actually is really f**king complicated)
EU relationships in a nutshell
Always has been ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з= ( //// )
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 I don't think so, all the 27 EU countries are feeling fine.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 it's a unique entity in the world. Hence, it's only natural that it works in a different way and has uncommon relationships with nation states and organisations.
You mean managing 27 counties as 1 is complicated?
Whoa, mind blown.
( I'm not taking the piss out of you, but the idiots that simple concept seems beyond 👍)
I love how the meaning of the word 'agreement' just decays in my mind as I listen on
Just in: EU signs Disagreement Agreement
Yep, that’s called semantic satiation
@@DellDuckfan313 lol
*Not a fan of these click-baity titles at all*
@Lilly Sayles he didn't answer the question in the title.
I feel like alot of the titles on this channel are overstated or cause of panic, seems like alot of established news sites.
@Lilly Sayles not in the EU so its not a brexit
Sorry, but the title says the video will explain why they don't want a bilateral deal, but this video simply doesn't explain it. I still don't understand what the sticking point was that was preventing switzerland from making the deal. I hope future videos aren't similarly uninformative.
well from what I am given to understand is that Switzerland essentially needs things to be revocable and renegotiable if their internal referendums compel government to withdraw from the treaty...
and thats kind of a problem with EU as it would need unilateral consensus of all other countries to do so...
quite frankly Swiss constitution is kind of incompatible with how EU works.
The EU is built on lasting treaties and rules. Switzerland works in a way that is incompatible with this.
So the main reasons are basically the protection of wages of local workers because already some people from countries with a low cost of living work here for a few months and then go back. We fear that some people would not be able to make a living wage anymore or that it would result in high inequality or dangerous cost savings at worker security.
Another one is that people could get social security without ever having worked here. We just feel that you at least have to have the intention to work here.
I've heard about the loss of sovereignty and there we fear that the EU court is biased towards the EU.
What the EU sometimes forgets is that it doesn't have to convince politicans but a majority of the country. We as a people are sure there exists a solution that works for both parties, in our opinion it's just a question of will to actually find something that works for both :)
@@marcosteiner3619 these are all fear-mongering arguments. The EU is a 450 million people big union of nations. If Switzerland can’t adapt then they can gladly leave the single market.
@@Paerigos True. We have referndums and initiatives and with that normal people take correction measures if they feel that something is lacking, a problem or just wrong.
I don't think bruxelles should be above these correction measurements. But that's the reason why we are not in the EU :).
I find it inappropriate that the Swiss delegation used gold bars as peperweights.
What do you do with your gold bars?
🤣🤣🤣👍
Natzi gold lol
Those claiming neutrality, are actually, deep in the mire. These people have no conscience
@@darioebhard1477 Switzerland is Freemasonry. It is a model of governance just like any religions, socialism, communism, etc. It is the 3rd way push my the populist movements. If the world was like Switzerland, there would be no war …. Start using your brain now!
I would like more to see a more detailed video breaking down what the Swiss wanted from the deal and what made them pull out. Seems like a interesting situation.
I want more information too!
i will explain. there is a part in the agreement that setts the EU justice over the swiss justice. that means, when ever there is a disagreement between the countries, the EU can decide if they are right or switzerland. and we all know whoes right then. there is also the part that EU citycen can move to switzerland without a job and get money from the first day they arive. (maybe not that simple but still). you can imagine what will happen to us, if half eastern europe comes here to get their free 4000$ per month
@@swissarmyknife7670 Half Eastern Europe? you mean half of Europe... Life quality in Switzerland is way above average, so it should be earned, not granted. Yes, I hope CH-EU relations improve but in a way that's good for both sides.
I think one other point which isn't much talked about is that this agreement would've meant that we have to automatically accept every new EU law.
Right now we have the ability to reject every new law via a referendum, this wouldn't have been possible anymore with EU laws without sanctions, so this agreement would've been a strangelhold on our direct democracy.
And another note is, if the Swiss government tried to make that deal, then there would've been 100% a referendum with a real chance to stop this, so i think our govrrnment just wanted to avoid that scenario.
@@reschi56 Polls say that 2/3 of Swiss would have agreed to the new agreement. It was rather the right wing populists who never liked it.
Switzerland is a direct democracy. That means, Swiss not only can elect the government. We also have the constitutional right to interfere into law making while government is working and can block every decision of the government or even decide new laws.
One real problem with the EU is that Switzerland would also have to accept future EU laws. This means that the Swiss could not decide anymore if they want to have or refuse specific laws. Switzerland would have to accept the FOREIGN jurisdiction of the i.e. Human Rights Court in Strasbourg.
This is against the Swiss constitution!
Then explain how the Swiss did not notice this point during the negotiations. For many years every point of the agreement has been negotiated jointly with the Swiss and shortly before it was signed, the Swiss said no to what they had negotiated themselves.
@@nettcologne9186 If you outside Switzerland don't know it, the Swiss knew it from the first moment on when the contract was proposed by the EU. And it's not the majority of the Swiss who proposed this point. It was the EU as a condition for the agreement.
@@Vito5107 From the first moment?
Switzerland needs 7 years to find out.
@@nettcologne9186 Well you missed the point in the video that Switzerland is always seeking to find the middle point and fight for a consensual agreement that at no point should the sovereignty of the laws ruling Switzerland be overtaken by EU laws which would mean you are in the EU by facts while you are not really in the EU. Not to forget that any decision had to go thru the people via referendums so it takes time as we decide for ourselves. Therefore they knew since the beginning yes but fought for a better agreement on some aspect that would not infringe the right of the population to decide for themselves which would have ultimately happened as EU law would have decided for the people of Switzerland. 2 times there was a federal referendum suggesting to join the EU the people said NO why should we say yes to the sneaky EU. The way it foes now with VDL and her conflict of interests when she was the German ministry of defense with some scandale over sms and the wiped out datas and now president of the EU Commission and deciding for everybody (contracts with Pfizer CEO over sms no one will be reading) we only hear her and Macron (2 peas in a pot). This EU thanks but no thanks !
@@skytrotter6144 No problem but don't expect to be treated as a member. I.e. limited trade in the future, no access to the horizon programme, lower competitiveness...
I think the problem is the word " negotiation" The EU put their demands on the table and that's the end of it.
So nothing will change? Yea totally Brexit .. it’s so British to call that Swiss Brexit. Does this guys even know that Switzerland is no EU member?
What do you mean nothing has changed? The fact that Swiss officials are backing off continued talks with their EU counterparts is a big deal. They've used the name "Swiss Exit" as in Exit the current negotiations, obviously a trope on Brexit - Remember that Switzerland IS NOT part of the EU.
Your thinly veiled disdain for Britain is laughable. Get a dictionary, then come back and comment. Cheers.
Hmm what about Swexit? 🤔
Naahh Swexit just wouldn’t sound as sexy, is reserved for the Swedes and in no way can you use the word exit in relation to Switzerland leaving the EU because they’re not in, you’re right lol
@@davidwilner4553 they ended the talks about a NEW deal with the EU. So the OLD one which is currently running will continue. => nothing changes
They used the name ‘Swiss Brexit’ and not ‘Swiss Exit’. Stop lying. They try to imply that Switzerland stops the cooperation with the EU as the UK did. Which is completely wrong but I guess Brexit idiots will believe everything they read in the headline (lol). They will continue as nothing happened. Unlike the real ‘Brexit’.
@@fabiansaerve
I find it amusing how much you eu supporters hate and deride brexit supporters as idiots who believe anything we read, you do understand that the mainstream media, with the exception of some of the tabloids, was hugely pro-remain don't you? Also you remainers resemble the "hateful and ignorant" stereotype that the media has tried to associate brexiteers with, FAR more than we do.
@@gartenzwerg44795 Says the side that coined the classist insult "gammon" while claiming to be progressive.
To an outsider Switzerland is a real mystery so I can't really put a concrete opinion here
Thank you. Best thing written so far.
@@beniaminosani2719
Well it's TRUE this time.
I'm not Swiss nor living in a EU nation plus Switzerland is one of the few nations I know nothing about
I'm a German living in Switzerland and don't understand why the rest of Europe isn't using the same democratic approach Switzerland does. It works well here. The votes have shown people don't want to join the EU but want a close integration. The EU doesn't like this attitude, but they like the economic opportunities, negotiations with the EU are always a pain in the ass but that's what we have politicians for.
we are currently in a Dilemma. The Federal council would have liked to accept but was afraid it would be smacked down by the referendum in which the SVP( rightwing) would campaign hard against it and fearmonger, even though 90% of the people would be for it. even the SP(leftwing) was a bit skeptical about certain things but would have passed it.
now people are angry that the Council took that decision from us.
@@eljanrimsa5843 I mean, Switzerland wants the perks without the obligations. I too want to eat at the restaurant without paying. I do not understand why the owner does not let me.
I'm pretty sure Switzerland is not part of the EU. And if they don't ratify the agreement the old agreement will still stand. .
So it's the status quo
No, as the old agreements have to be updated constantly to stay in force. Already Swiss market access is being reduced, no more easy access. Swiss medical equipment to the EU market
@@neodym5809 Actually no, while agreement occasionally needs updating, very few things would render older ones unenforceable. For example, you have an agreement to align certain standards, the agreement itself will not detail the specifics of those standards because that's under a separate document which is always changeable.
@@biocapsule7311 The Swiss stock market already lost access to the EU market. 26th of May the Mutual Recognition Agreement for Medical Devices ceased to apply, too.
This is not a theoretical discussion, it is a process already happening. Two big ones already gone.
@@biocapsule7311 Treaties usually don't last forever because the world isn't static and situations change. There 120 treaties involved here and most of them are definitely not permanent.
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 Yes, treaties doesn't last forever. What I mean is that when a treaty negotiation falls apart. There's usually a cushion of procedure to ensure nothing is unenforceable. This isn't anything like Brexit, because it 1 negotiation that didn't conclude well, talks will renew eventually. Even as bad as Brexit is, it don't peel back to the point where nothing is enforceable.
Must feel very awkward for Switzerland to be completely enclaved by a political union.
Definitely not more awkward than this guy in front of a camera...
Opposite travelled all over the world few places beat Switzerland. .. British learnt hard way dealing with EU, inefficient, corrupt and full of old men talking and giving each others friends jobs..
We have been completely enclaved by much worse political unions or alliances.
The EU is annoying but it could be worse...
@@barnabydinosaurroadsafetyp3457 false. EU is not corrupt. National politicians wanting EU seat are corrupt. Is a huge difference, many of them, now inj trial or jail ) wanting to escape the national humiliation blaming EU. Before brexit, UK criminals ( brexiter government ) were in deep trouble. EU new anti corruption directorate and money laundering laws were especially created against UK criminals ( government members funded by billionaires )... so, look at UK to see the huge shit, before commenting small farts from Europe
@@barnabydinosaurroadsafetyp3457 Instead of the UK approach of giving friends and donors lucrative contracts they don't deliver on?
I miss when we didn't see your face. Think about it this way: what does seeing you talk actually add to this video? Nothing, u just stand still. I liked the old format.
Bit rude, but yes.
Bit harsh.
the splitscreen just looks awkward
Luckily you don't need to miss anything! We're still making the same number of fully animated TLDR Explains videos, these TLDR Now videos are supplemental bonus videos that you can skip if you don't enjoy!
Also including the video makes it far far quicker to make, and the Now series just wouldn't be possible without it - so there's no other option really - Jack
@@TLDRnewsEU You can always hire a lingerie model, and make her lip sync.
Thanks, Elliot.
Thanks, Elliot mate
Some specifics on the three sticking points would have been nice. This felt like an intro that just stopped before it got anywhere.
So basically nothing changes.
Current treaties are less likely to be extended or even reformed. This could become a problem in the long run.
Its perfectly simple. Big companies choose (big pharma for example ) Switzerland were they receive state aid and export their products duty free to EU. That's unloyal competition. That interfere with EU attempts to develops its own industry. Especially undermains small and medium enterprises which have to compete in the single market.
Yet some people (british): See how fascist totalitarian EU treat Switzerland?
If Swiss taxpayers subsidise production of Swiss products and make them cheaper to export to Europe, that's good for EU consumers who get to save money and bad for Swiss taxpayers who are poorer because their taxes are lowering the cost-of-living of non-Swiss citizens.
@@corpclarke its actually the other way. It kills competition, meaning price increase long term.
No it doesn't. If prices go up of Swiss products you can stop buying them, new entrants will enter the market because they will see an opportunity to take market share.
Prices only go up when governments regulate or tariff competition out of existence to protect domestic producers (which is why EU food prices are so high, or why cars are so expensive and poor quality in India, cause competitors are restricted for accessing markets).
@@corpclarke Capitalism tends towards monopoly. As vitas75 said, if the EU companies die because they can't compete with Swiss companies that are being state funded then Swiss manufacturers will not have competition and can then balloon their prices (or collude with each other in doing so).
As a Swiss citizen who generally is for a closer relationship with the EU, I'm kind of relieved that this mess is over.
I back closer relations but it's a fact that the Swiss have stricter labor security rights and we cannot accept wage dumping of any sort. I would love an agreement on the three issues, but some things cannot be changed to please the EU.
For example. Nowadays a company of the EU has to announce eight days in advance to the Swiss government if they execute work with employees of this EU country. These eight days are used by the government to check their order as well as that there isn't an unfair competition with Swiss operators because of lower labor cost. If wage dumping is the case, the Swiss government can deny that company the operation in Switzerland. In the agreement, the EU forces the reduction in the advanced announcement to four and the cancellation of the operation ban. Those orders are neither possible to implement because the process cannot be reduced by half nor are those orders that protect Swiss labor laws, which peeve off every single trade union.
You can't possibly expect that the EU accepts that 8 day announcement permanently when Swiss companies don't have to do that in the EU. There must be another way to ensure wage stability in Switzerland. On the other hand Swiss exporters expect unrestricted access to the EU market.
@@wanderschlosser1857
1. The thing is that it is unlikely that swiss services will be cheaper then EU ones so there is no risk for the EU that swiss will encourage price dumping.
2. It is "somewhat" unrestricted in certain areas but the swiss also have to pay for that market access.
As you can see currently, it's not other.
It will never be over.
Bc we are in a globalized world, and CH can not handle it alone.
CH has to decide - give up his special system to some extent, and continue as member of the European economy.
Or, over time get used to be excluded (not by decree, by economic realities like harsh border controls. Starting this fall, Swiss people can get used to be registered with fingerprints entering the EU all the time)
After all, the EU can't be asked to change its core setups just to please Switzerland.
@@Slithermotion the payment is ridiculous small for what special treatment the CH gains from it.
Especially since the EU is setup for an ever closer union, with trade as the means but not the goal.
So payments can be a temporary solution, but not the sustainable long term one.
So, in practice, CH had to decide - risking some economic shuffles by joining the SM properly (with all its pro and cons) or becoming used to be a proper third country with certain significant economic downsides.
All bilateral agreements will be respected in the current state.
But CH can't demand that the EU would give up its core principles for one special case, giving disadvantage to its own proper members (who by default deserve the better deal then any third country - like Norway even publicly stated in regards of the UK)
The EU needs Switzerland more than Switzerland needs the EU
This is just wrong. Switzerland´s number 1 trade partner is the EU. Vice versa Switzlerand is only number 4 for the EU. Rich, yet small and politically unimportant country versus the biggest trade bloc in the world.
Domestic partners?! That’s......vague, TLDR.
Political Parties, Alliance of Unions, Alliances of business organisations (2), Churches, big NGO and so on.
or in other words everyone who can make enough noise to tip the mandatory referendum.
In this case its especially the right wing Peoples Party, the Alliance of the Unions and a movement for the well-beeing of animals who strictly opposed.
So the fronts are a big weird in this topic. Leftist parties and big business is for the agreement while right wing parties side with unions against it.
Yeah, it's basically nothing changes for European... and for Swiss nothing much changes.
for the swiss economy there will be a lot of changes. everything eu related will get way more complicated. really bad for border regions like geneva or Basel, which are powerhouses of the swiss economy
@@poocify3314 I didn't get this from the video. What I got was that existing agreements stand in place, so nothing really changes. The core issue, as I understood it, is that the old agreements do not cover some aspects because they weren't considered at the time, therefore there won't be agreements on that aspects. Why do you say that things will get more complicated for Switzerland?
@@nydydn already happening. Medical equipment made in Switzerland is now not covered anymore, full custom checks apply, as well as certification. Swiss stockmarket not recognised in the EU anymore. Swiss participation in EU research project will end. The second the EU introduces new regulations in one area, this area will not be covered by the bilaterals anymore. P
@@poocify3314 also... if they lose their trade deal + being landlocked seem like a reallyyy bad move for any country.
@@neodym5809 Neodym, look up what you're talking about before blasting this kind of nonsense all over the place. Swiss financial services have been banned from the EU for two years already when the EU dropped recognition of Swiss financial rules as equivalent to EU rules and the MRA has been replaced with a part of the IFA, so it has been rescinded and has not lapsed.
would be good to add at least the reasons why they walked away.
The biggest of all was that in case of a disagreement between the two sides a EU-Court would decide how to interpret the framework agreement. not quite fair is it?
easy solution, join the EU, you now have equal representation in the judicial system.
The treaty had to be approved by the people, but it has no change to pass coz of 2 major issues a) wage dumping b)access to the social security system with no restrictions. I identified this 2 points as a major reason. The EU Court was a reason too for sure, but it lost bit in the priority of the reasons.
@@gerbenvanessen I guess EU and direct democracy doesnt work well together. So Switzerland would need to give up its 150 year old system of people deciding on their laws, taxes and so on.
@@RidingTheAlps15 there are two fronts against it. A left one (for wage dumping and animal treatment) and a right one (for loss of soverenity and influx into the social system).
I think the court thing was the main problem, as the document cannot enclose all issues that may arrise in the future. So Switzerland would be doomed to accept all changes made.
@@gerbenvanessen I don't understand why anyone would think that I would give up my Rights given to me by direct democracy. The Day I loose my Rights, is the Day I become a violent Opponent of the System that took my Rights.
Thank you Eliiot M
Switzerland is fiercely neutral and i respect that
As a neutral participant, I can see both sides 😋
I do respect it as well although I think it is an inappropriate and even a bit irresponsible stance in a globalized world where everything you do can not only influence your country and it’s immediate surroundings but everyone everywhere even as switzerland
@@the_godfather9974 I'm not good at English can you simplify your point pleased so I can understand fully
@@kingzogii7469 of course
i do respect switzerland and their neutrality, but I think today (due to globalization) it is not so easy anymore to just say you´re neutral and be done with it.
Because everything you do or don´t do as a country has an impact on all the others, real neutrality is not really possible anymore (and quite irresponsible) in my opinion.
@@the_godfather9974 Yes it is easy, take a look at them and you will find out why not taking any sides (And controlling the money of those exact sides) can be very profitable for you.
Is it really necessary for us to see the narrator talking into his mic throughout the video? He really doesn't do anything visually - just holding a mic and talk, no hand gestures, not animated in anyway. I would rather just have the right side (text or graphics) occupying the whole screen.
fair enough, but in the latest videos there seems to some decor in the background. Maybe the are working towards a news anchor thing. I don't mind myself, almost any news broadcast has some kind of presenter in view.
Thank you! I hate when people who do good stuff always have to eventually show their face. Like, we appreciate your work, but we dont need cult around you as a person.
Seconded, I do not need or want the to see the face, just the information.
There was a narrator behind that bigazz microphone?
Great video!
Thank you Elliot
You get a great workout just holding up that microphone.
Hi, I love you guys. But can you please find another format than splitscreen because it really confuses the eyes of where to look :(
Just don't look at his cleavage...😋
Good on you for trying something but you standing on the side just seems superfluous. Feels like you didn't get out of the shot in time and then just kind of stood there moving as little as possible so you don't ruin the take 😅
I wonder how many extra takes had to be recorded because of the video.
This new “style” is kinda awkward. I wanna watch the always great animations, but it felt like someone in need of attention was staring at me just outside my field of focus.
Switzerland is already surrounded by EU. It's already "in" the EU. It doesn't have to join the EU.
Next year at Eurovision, "La Suisse, nil points"
LOL
love this channel❤
Where was the part where you explain *why*
That title was quite clickbaitey for a TLDR piece
Yeah. You're Brexit roots and all honors but this just seemed like needless clickbait. The topic is interesting enough as is.
The different reactions of the two parties is incredible.
Switzerland: Thank you for the offer but we decline.
EU: You're wrong and here's a huge document full of veiled threats disguised as reasons you're wrong that we already had prepared for some reason.
I think the EU just made themselves look like they need the deal more. If the negotiations restart, the Swiss look like they're in a strong place.
Well they won't be, the Swiss economy needs EU market access! Swiss market access for EU companies is important, too but far less a problem for EU's economy than the other way round. How could Switzerland possibly be in better position? Very soon Swiss companies will force their government back to the negotiation table because they need economical certainty.
@@wanderschlosser1857 ...I'm Swiss and I would vote for NO again! We don't want to be member of the EU!
@@wanderschlosser1857 this is hyperbole. You don't need an agreement to access EU markets. The agreement just removes some tariff and non-tariff barriers. The Swiss won't be shut out if they don't agree a deal, they will just face some gradually increasing barriers which will slightly increase cost of trade.
However, they can use domestic policy to overcome this by creating a low tax and business friendly environment which net-off these costs. They already do this so it will be nothing new.
If they agreed this deal they would have to give up so many of the economic levers that allow them to be such a successful and competitive European economy.
The USA and China are the two countries with massively growing exports to the EU in last decade and neither has a treaty with the EU.
@@Vito5107 You can vote whatever you want, nobody forces Switzerland into the EU! As far as I understood the trade negotiations had nothing to do with a EU membership. But if Switzerland wants to have EU Single Market access it will have to align with EU rules. EU market, EU rules, it's that simple. If you don't like them feel free to trade with the EU as a 3rd country with all its involved obstacles
@@wanderschlosser1857 Switzerland already has single market access but the EU are constantly changing the single market rules so the previous agreements are slowly being outdated. The EU won't agree mutual recognition of market standards with other countries (which is normal in trade deals) they insist on the "level playing field", which basically means everyone else accepting EU regulation in their countries. How could any country like Switzerland accept that? Being in control of their own economic levers it what has made them such a successful and competitive economy.
It's the EU who need this trade deal. They've had no trade deals of significance since Japan (which still isn't finalised I think) and EU members are starting to wonder what the point of handing trade negotions to the EU is. If they can't agree a treaty with Switzerland who are culturally and economically already aligned, that's a bit embarrassing for the EU.
If the EU doesn't sign this deal, especially after Brexit, that is a significant shrinking and devaluing of single market in last five years. Again, member states will be asking what the point of being a member is if the market is getting smaller.
I never thought I'd hear third country status and Switzerland in the same sentence.
Good introduction. What about a middle and a conclusion?
This video was way too short. I'm sure many including myself ended up with far more questions than answers. 7-8 minutes seems more appropriate for a video like this.
I think what't important to know is that those three points have been "red lines" for Switzerland from the very beginning of the negotiations. So when the EU onesidedly declared the negotiations as completed in 2018, whilst not sufficiantly tackeling those discussion-points, it was always gonna be difficult to get it done. Unfortunately, switzerland didn't stop the process right away but went on for three years in a loong back and forth, and now that they finaly realised that the EU won't move, and walked away, they look like the bad guys.
It's obvious that both sides are to blame in this, and yes, switzerland is very difficult to negotiate with, because even if you reach an agreement with the head of state, the people can just say "no" in the end. But the view of certain EU-politicians, putting all the blame on Switzerland and calling the reaction "dissappointing" is really not even close to reality!
Typical Eu behavior. I mean our Goverment should have stopped the talking when they saw Eu is not moving away so no thanks EU we want to keep our democracy. I guess we will search now new Partners on this beautiful Ball we call Earth. Btw we are no 3 Trading Partner of the Eu but get treat like North Korea. Yesterday a French weakling Politician talked trash about Switzerland. EU lol
And the reason why talks broke down are as follows: …
Thanks Eliott ❤️
Why do we see this guy with the microphone? It kind brings no value at all, I'd rather see infographics in a full-screen mode. Currently I have to see both parts but only right one brings value, left one distracts a lot. Folks, please return back to a previous format: would guy want people to see his face - he'll have a lot of opportunities as a standup fellow once covid is over.
There was a guy behind that bigazz microphone?
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m lol yes there was
er because it's his video?>
Good on the Swiss!
Nice new intro. I wish the animation was snappier and more tied to the music
Deal or No Deal, but the telephone call took years.
The 2 most insolvable issues where the wage dumping question and the access to the social system with no restrictions. The government nows exactly that this treaty would not pass when it had to bee agreed by the people. We all know in Switzerland that there has to be a solution, but I think this "reset" was the best thing our government has done atm.
We where watching the EU and the behaviour of them very closely and some arrogance and attempted blackmail wheren't very welcome either.
I have to side with the EU insisting on those points. It is without any doubt shifting an EU citizen in a position of a second class citizen in Switzerland right now. All EU members are operating on an equal basis with each others regarding their people and freedom of movement is too essential to be ignored or watered down to match Swiss ideology.
How can a country be welcomed in an union, when the people of that union are not welcomed there in the first place?
@@dnocturn84 Maybe because Switzerland is not in the EU and the treaty wasn't about joining the EU. Our living cost are much higher compared with the EU, so we are earning more. If EU workers comes to Switzerland working "half price", this will damage the Swiss workers. If EU workers have to get paid the same amount as paid for a Swiss worker, thats fine, nobody would complain. BTW, it's just about keeping the Status Quo.
@@RidingTheAlps15 How can an EU worker work for "half price", if everything is more expensive in Switzerland? Do they also have to pay half? In order to work AND live in Switzerland, they aren't different from Swiss people when it comes to beeing paid and spending money in return in Switzerland. The framework for all people is identical. Only way to exploid this is to live in neighboring countries while actually working in Switzerland; this is already a thing right now and I doubt this would increase any further through these proposed changes.
@@dnocturn84 That's easy, they coming for some Days, weeks, as contract workers for EU companies as it's happening today. Living in the EU, eg. Germany, Poland, Rumenia etc.
Or they are living in the EU, near the border (Germany, Austria, France, Italy) and come for work over the Border. You can see this very good in the Ticino, Engadin, Eastern-Switerland, Geneva - long list short, all over Switzerland. That's not new, that is happening already since years. This is no problem, if they earn the same amount of money when they are working in Switzerland as Swiss workers.
We would kill our companies (and jobs) if a EU company can offer a job CHF 10'000 but the Swiss company has to have at least CHF 18'000.
Again, this protection is in place today! We simply will this protection to keep in place.
@@RidingTheAlps15 But these proposed changes of law would only affect EU citizens that are going to live AND work in Switzerland. There they have to pay rent, bills, food like Swiss citizens and therefore cannot work under a certain level of payment. There are no additional changes to this exploit of workers living on the other side of the border but working in Switzerland. This situation would not be affected.
TLDR: The EU wanted Switzerland to abandon its current wage protection scheme. This is politically simply not feasible. The unions in Switzerland would never agree to that and they are a core part of the coalition that supported the current agreements. Without them there is not enough support for further negotiations. The EU knows or at least should have known that.
It's just the back and forth that happens during every negotiation.
I don't think that halting all negotiations is part of the back and forth, usually a back and forth is composed by backs and forths you know
@@yibithehispanic The negotiation will restart sooner or later like it has always been among European states. I don't think that this halt is a big deal.
I heard "corsets of agreements" lol
EU doesn't take no very well😂 Fortunately for Switzerland they have to go back to their people with referendums to make any major decisions so the power is in the hands of the people rather then politicians.
That's the thing
I used to think getting an agreement with the EU is night mare when u have to first pass the EU commission and parliament and then ratified by each individual countrry
Try having a bilateral relationship governed across over 100 different agreements and each having to pass a referendum
That's actually not the case. Changes in EU "law" would automatically beeing transfered into Swiss lawmaking, without the necessity of re-negotiating every single little unimportant thing. That doesn't stop the Swiss from rejecting a major change, that they do not agree to. It only speeds up the process of adepting new things, that they would agree to anyways.
@@dnocturn84 yes but they would need a referendum to ratify it in the first place I believe. The Swiss don't like power being transferred to politicians so they are likely to say no when asked.
It’s because they’re were holes in the deals, holes like in Swiss cheese
The swiss have a lot of cheese.Are you refering to emmental.Not all Swiss cheese has holes unlike the EU.
You guys should make an update on the current situation
It is kinda weird seeing standing there, because the infographic are very smooth, while the video on the left had multiple cuts. It made it sligghtly harder to watch
The EUSSR coerced Switzerland to enact gun control. That the citizens of Switzerland would not normally pass on their own. By basically threatening to kick Switzerland out of things like the Schengen. Putting the Swiss economy at serious risk.
The clickbait is strong with this one
Strong in the sense that it is heavily applied. Weak in value.
Petition for TLDR to get a desk to film these videos on
Cheers, Elliot. Good on you!
One would wonder why doing a channel about the EU without caring in the slightest and also having 90% of the viewers not from the EU, and even not in the know of what the EU is and does.
Switzerland is an isolationist state that is difficult to deal with, and economic negotiations are going slow. Just that. No one is twirling moustaches roping Switzerland to the train track.
Hmmm...I wouldn't say that switzerland is an isolationist state.
It actually was one of the first nations to embrace global trade.
And it has multiple trade agreements with countries that the EU doesn't have one. e.g. China.
The Problem(your problem) is that switzerland doesn't want to integrate deeper in the EU, the EU isn't the world.
Just wanted to correct your view on things, your perspective is really EU centric and not on a global perspective.
@@Slithermotion uh. Switzerland refused to join the UN until 2002.
They are most certainly an isolationist state.
Dude, I think you’re confused.
@@Tommi414 I think you should point out about what I'm confused...dude.
@@Me-ui1zy Yes, north and south korea also joined the UN in 1991.
But I wouldn't say that north korea is less isiolasionist then switzerland.
Am I the first one to say you can't have "relatively unique"? It's either unique, or it's not.
If I have a jar of change that's mostly 1p coins of various dates, the one penny that's dated 1996 is unique, but the one £2 coin is more unique, the sole 2-shilling coin more unique still, and the 1 deutschmark coin is the most unique.
Why can’t uniqueness be on a sliding scale?
Can't exit if you have never been inside!
beautiful animations
Switzerland was de facto almost in the EU, by basically taking over all legislation. Almost all exports go to the EU and almost all imports come from the EU. Even the monetary policy is now only defined in the exchange rate to the Euro. Also all non-EU members of the continent (e.g. Norway, Liechtenstein, Iceland) except Britain are EEC members and therefore adopt EU legislation automatically.
Both sides will let some time pass and then start negotiations again, anything else would be simply stupid.
It’s like the Vatican City everything goes to Italy and comes from italy
The statement that switzerland takes over every eu legislation...is wrong.
Otherwise the swiss wouldn't need this new agreement.
If you mean by almost all about 50% you are right(that included the UK)...but I wouldn't call this almost all tbh.
No the monetary policy isnt tied to the euro, it was for a time but isn't right now.
I wouldn't make a bet on the last assumption you've made, I'm pretty sure this is off the table.
@@Slithermotion They don't take over every legislation, but it is so closely aligned. There is no automatic application either, but almost all new EU regulatory projects result in almost identical legislation in Switzerland.
The Swiss wanted the agreement, because they don't yet have the access to the EU market and the EU has not yet the same access to the Swiss market. The agreement mainly failed due to the application of union citizenship rules on Switzerland.
The monetary policy is no longer an explicit peg, but the exchange rate is still the main driver. A rapid change in exchange rate is still prevented by the SNB, which has blown up its balance sheet to epic proportions.
There only 2 kinds of countries in Europe: Small countries and the ones that have not yet understood that they are small.
@@tobiwan001 Maybe countries have understood that they are small but just make individual trade agreements with different countries all around the world.
The Swiss-EU trade is important but it has steadily decreased in the last years.
Foreign markets have become more important and will probably grow faster then the internal EU Market.
Don't get me wrong the EU Market is important, but every year the EU share on world trade is getting smaller not because it shrinks but because foreign markets grow faster.
We swiss had a trade agreement with china years ahead of the EU.
Something they couldn't have done inside the EU.
The EU protects it's internal Market from foreign competitors, but it also isolates themself.
And that could actually be a negative thing for an exporting nation like switzerland.
@@Slithermotion Your last statement is false though... The two nations that benefitted the most from the EU are specifically the big two exporters, the Netherlands and Germany.
More UK biased news. Trade negotiations blow up all the time. Calling it even remotely similar to Brexit is just plain inaccurate. Been on an uptrend recently huh? I guess we have your British patreons to thank for it? I'm dropping all TLDR news channels from my feed. Cheers.
But it wasn‘t a trade negotiation. It was about adaptation of laws, trade, immigration, collaberations and more. And because it was rejected, the Eu started with reporcussions. Swiss stocks and currencies won‘t be traded in the EU, swiss science teams were excluded from research, or the medical labels tldr mentioned. Although it isn‘t the same, for switzerland its closer to brexit than to a failed trade negotiation
The 3rd country status is similar to what the UK now has, but does this mean that they also lose fre movement as the UK has? I thought Switzerland was still in Schengen despite this development?
Now it looks like a school presentation instead of a professional source🤣
"Switzerland is resisting getting closer to EU"
*Looks at map*
Ha! That'll go well! /s
Good on you Switzerland, stay strong!
Swexit sounds like a cool skateboard trick. I like it.
Legend
1:29 This statement "giving room to Switzerland to further deepen its relation ship with the EU" appears to not have been that optional and the reason the talks failed.
Exactly- what he should have said was "giving an opportunity for the EU to exert even more influence over Switzerland and turn it into a vassal state".
Congratulations to Switzerland for having the mettle to say No to EU hegemony.
Germany, France, Italy do your job and do some Anschluss
Time to implement the Gaddafi plan from 2009
Well first some Austrian painter has to be Kanzler
Much too costly, just cut Internet lines, withdraw funds from Switzerland, close accounts, stop production of Swiss drugs in European manufacturers.
Stop buying Swiss products.
Drive climate change, then your mountains won't be so beautiful anymore.
It would have some advantages if Switzerland would be insolated e.g. that the Usa with Swiss companies like e.g. the Crypto AG could not intercept and hack other states.
And Nestle etc. would also no longer have so much power.
But overall it doesn't matter, we have good relations with Switzerland and even if they are always a bit arrogant, they are good people, with a beautiful country that produces several good things.
And as a North German, I do not care what happens with Switzerland, as long as they do not make problems.
Between Germany and Switzerland, there are but a few strange borders and 1 German city is even surrounded by Switzerland, which could of course be used, as they have shot at us, we must probably protect our people and invade there.
The booby traps they have also removed 1-2 years ago from their bridges and new jets they have not yet been delivered, if not now when.
I don't know why I wrote such a long text now, never mind a little less boredom at work.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Better when we just see the screen.
This is pretty interesting.
The title should be changed. It doesn't have anything to do with Brexit. This impacts your reliability
Guess their Eurovision result really made them upset
I was very surprised that Deutschland didn't get anything from the popular vote :(
At first yes, because I wasn't expecting any good music from Eurovison in the first place :D. But it is a deserved win for Italy, really like the band :)
Who actually cares or gives a damm about Eurovision really?
So the EU have threatened Switzerland.....didn't see that coming.
Helvexit, except, there's nothing to exit from. The 120 sector specific agreements still stand, for now.
The point is the current agreements will run out with nothing to replace them which is like an exit.
@@charliezz6746 The point is that EU people always point out that switzerland is so dependent on EU and forget that switzerland is the 4th largest export destination for the EU.
Plus a couple hundred thousand commute from the EU to work in switzerland.
EU people don't get that if relationsship and trade gets worse it will also hit them.
Now you have the corona crisis, Brexit, and instable relationsship with the EU and on top the relationsship with switzerland get worse.
See as a swiss I also have romance feeling about a peaceful and united europe but it is astonishing that people from the EU blame always, really always the other party.
And the agreement with switzerland was a dictation nothing less and that was just inaccaptable.
The Federal counciel canceled any further talks, which was in favor of the EU because if they would have passed it the swiss people would have busted it.
And that would have been a much worser image for the EU.
Hello TLDR, we do not need to see you when speaking to camera, it takes half of the screen your infographics are not properly presented!
Woah the EU sounds so lovely. I love mafia -- that John Wick movie was cool.
You have a strange definition of mafia
@@ab1965 I had departed from a literal definition of the word "mafia" [See: Figurative language].
Does UK have a Framework agreement with EU or just series of bilateral agreements?
All they've said is they do not want some closer links but maintain the status quo. Not agreeing a "new" relationship while retaining the "old" one unchanged is hardly tantamount to exiting from it. The healine is misleading.
The Swiss are wise people ☺️👍
Your comment is meaningless unless you explain in detail what you mean by it and why people from other countries are less wise
@@ab1965 They are wise because they can foresee the sad future of the socialist EU. Also it's against their interest to lose their unique character and de facto become yet another EU member. EU doesn't like an independent and prosperous Switzerland, because it's a living proof that you don't need to (and even shouldn't) be in the EU to be strong and rich. Switzerland values its independence and distributed governance, while the EU seeks centralization and dominance.
As a British man, I invite my Swiss brothers and sisters (and all from Europe) to join and form the EC (European Confederation) our aim; to troll the EU😂😂😂
We could declare war , the Swiss could help the English by fortifying Terrys chocolate oranges with Swiss chocolate and we could bomb the EU with chocolate oranges....
@@binkyslapass1 I don't know. Is it just a coincidence the EU'S capital is Brussels? Think of all that Belgian chocolate. That's some premium chocolate.
@@ietomos7634 you have a good point...lol and some good beer ..Salute
@@binkyslapass1 Cheers 🍻
Switzerland and the UK Should start their own free trade area. It should include all non-aligned states. Free independent trading countries working together .. not imposing laws on each other...
That's basicly what EFTA was until you guys left for the EU xD
we did that 62 years ago....
@@Slithermotion You mean the one under the ECJ? not quite sure how that is the same as a free trade area with no Eu oversight?
Are you guys not gonna make a video about he Cypriot election? Itʻs happening in less than a week
Dam a lot of Brexiteers are interested in TLDR EU 😏 I wonder why... Always ready to say if something goes not how it was planned for EU PepeLaugh...
Meanwhile, Brexit ran on hopes & dreams lol.
It's like that irresponsible student that relishes whenever the brighter colleague gets a slightly less stellar grade than usual, despite himself being on the way to failing class.
@@BernasLL UK has the fastest growth rate in the G7, 2nd best vaccine rollout in the whole world. Support for EU down to 39% in the UK, none of the scare stories came true.
Gee, I wonder if it might have something to do with TLDR covering Brexit exclusively on a near daily basis since 2017.
@@Maxiecrest14 Also some of the highest Covid death rates, which is an area where "taking back control" didn't work out quite as well as with the vaccines...
@@Marc42 Amen :DD
I don't really know what the deal was about so I can't judge If they made a good or a bad choice.
But for all the people that complains about europe (expetialy the brits) I just want to remember that If was any other big country like USA, China, Russia ... you would probably find yourself completly isolated from the word (just look at cuba or Iran) or you're find an army the next day in your town (crimea, georgia, vietnam).
Europe could revenge on UK for leaving, but they gave them planty of time to make a good deal. Maybe the EU is not that bad, like you're complaining about
Those EU guys sound awesome! England should join them!
Unlike the USA or China, the EU isn't a country(yet), so the EU can't really make big power plays against European countries. So there is no benevolence on part of the EU, the EU would probably just break apart if they tried to play serious trade war games with the UK or Switzerland.
@@reschi56 The EU commission behaves like a country it even has representatives that act as a president at G20 and G7 meetings somewhat ridiculous when its not even a country or state but tries to act like one.
Please use a tie mic.
How can they quit if they are not even in the EU??
Man I love Switzerland, one of my favorite countries in Europe, for crying out loud i am gonna live there for the whole school year considering I am gonna join boarding school there, so I wanna start reading about Swiss politics even though I visited the country 6 times
For everyone here saying that Switzerland should have given in, that the EU holds all the cards, that Switzerland can't survive outside the EU. I believe the same was said during WWII.
Okay
You compare trade negotiations with WW II, seriously ?
You mean the time when Nazi trains were crossing Switzerland with the Swiss closing their eyes on the Jews who were inside ?
Well done Switzerland . You struck
another blow for Liberty and
Democracy. ! As always !!
The EU employs similar techniques . Threats and hints of
economic punishments. ?
Also their lack of respect for Democracy.